[commons-parent] m2 profiles for PuTTY?

[Rahul Akolkar <ra...@gmail.com>]

We may need separate profiles for PuTTY users in commons-parent?

IIUC, the decision of choosing a wagon provider depends on the snaps
repo URL, so we would need a scpexe:// URL to get the Wagon SSH
External Provider (thereby we can use plink etc.). Anyone got a better
handle on this?

-Rahul

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Re: [commons-parent] m2 profiles for PuTTY?

[Jochen Wiedmann <jo...@gmail.com>]

On 12/10/06, Martin Cooper <ma...@apache.org> wrote:

> I didn't say anything about duplicating anything. Why can't we split out the
> scp-related part into separate profiles, one for scp and one for scpexe?
> That way, you could choose "mvn -P release,scp" or "mvn -P release,scpexe"
> depending on your preference. That way, all of the stuff you're concerned
> about stays in one place, in the 'release' profile.

Agreed, that this would address my concerns. Personally, I do not like
it, in particular I still do not see, why we need both, if scpexe is
usable for all. (Note, that I personally still do favour scp.) Could
live with it, of course.

Jochen

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Re: [commons-parent] m2 profiles for PuTTY?

[Martin Cooper <ma...@apache.org>]

On 12/10/06, Jochen Wiedmann <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 12/10/06, Martin Cooper <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > Using profiles to provide two different options makes perfect sense to
> me. I
> > see no need to proscribe a "one size fits all" solution that may be
> > non-optimal for many folks when there is a simple means of providing two
> > alternatives that allows for each person to select their preferred
> solution.
>
> We aren't talking about "joe average profile" here. In particular the
> "release" profile is *the* profile, which is responsible for
> deployment settings.
>
> I have no objection against duplicating the distributionManagement
> part, so that others may switch to a different deployment scheme. But,
> as I said, this profile does more than simply selecting the deployment
> target. It is also responsible for adding the "source" and "javadoc"
> archives. In the future, it might add additional reports or do more.
>
> Duplicating the most important part of the POM (and maintaining both
> source and duplicate in the future) seems to me to be bad practice, at
> least if you aren't forced to do it. I do not see that we are forced.


I didn't say anything about duplicating anything. Why can't we split out the
scp-related part into separate profiles, one for scp and one for scpexe?
That way, you could choose "mvn -P release,scp" or "mvn -P release,scpexe"
depending on your preference. That way, all of the stuff you're concerned
about stays in one place, in the 'release' profile.

--
Martin Cooper


Jochen
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Re: [commons-parent] m2 profiles for PuTTY?

[Rahul Akolkar <ra...@gmail.com>]

On 12/10/06, Jochen Wiedmann <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
<snip/>
>
> Duplicating the most important part of the POM (and maintaining both
> source and duplicate in the future) seems to me to be bad practice, at
> least if you aren't forced to do it. I do not see that we are forced.
>
<snap/>

Missing sentiment in your r439840 [1]. Sheesh, so much for duplication
in POMs and glorious preemptive -1s.

-Rahul

[1] http://tinyurl.com/y229jn

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Re: [commons-parent] m2 profiles for PuTTY?

[Jochen Wiedmann <jo...@gmail.com>]

On 12/10/06, Martin Cooper <ma...@apache.org> wrote:

> Using profiles to provide two different options makes perfect sense to me. I
> see no need to proscribe a "one size fits all" solution that may be
> non-optimal for many folks when there is a simple means of providing two
> alternatives that allows for each person to select their preferred solution.

We aren't talking about "joe average profile" here. In particular the
"release" profile is *the* profile, which is responsible for
deployment settings.

I have no objection against duplicating the distributionManagement
part, so that others may switch to a different deployment scheme. But,
as I said, this profile does more than simply selecting the deployment
target. It is also responsible for adding the "source" and "javadoc"
archives. In the future, it might add additional reports or do more.

Duplicating the most important part of the POM (and maintaining both
source and duplicate in the future) seems to me to be bad practice, at
least if you aren't forced to do it. I do not see that we are forced.


Jochen



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Re: [commons-parent] m2 profiles for PuTTY?

[Martin Cooper <ma...@apache.org>]

On 12/10/06, Rahul Akolkar <ra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 12/9/06, Jochen Wiedmann <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 12/8/06, Rahul Akolkar <ra...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > mvn -Prc deploy
> > >
> > > Folks like me and Hen can use:
> > >
> > > mvn -Pextrc deploy
> >
> > Would the extrc profile be a copy of the rc profile, with the wagon
> > type as an exception? If so, then I'd be -1 for it. The rc profile
> > does more than simply providing a deployment target.
> >
> <snip/>
>
> Makes no sense, thats a shiny red herring, not justification for your
> objection. Why do you think the new profile won't be able to similarly
> do more?
>
> With the two options in mind:
> (1) Change repo URLs to scpexe (you are +0)
> (2) Add new profiles with scpexe (you are -1)


Using profiles to provide two different options makes perfect sense to me. I
see no need to proscribe a "one size fits all" solution that may be
non-optimal for many folks when there is a simple means of providing two
alternatives that allows for each person to select their preferred solution.

--
Martin Cooper


I peeked at the wagon trunk code so we no longer have to talk in terms
> of speculative smoke screens:
> (a) scpexe allows for plink, pscp
> (b) scpexe defaults (no <configuration>) to ssh, scp
>
> I don't know if (b) performs at par with scp:// URLs, I won't have
> access to a scp:// conducive environment till year end. Can you try?
> If its at par, we take option (1) above, if not, option (2).
>
> Without an scpexe option to developers, I'll be against Commons m2
> deployments (and RCs) since it puts certain enviroments at a
> disadvantage, when solutions remain in clear sight.
>
> -Rahul
>
>
> >
> > Jochen
> >
> > --
> > My wife Mary and I have been married for forty-seven years and not
> > once have we had an argument serious enough to consider divorce;
> > murder, yes, but divorce, never.
> > (Jack Benny)
> >
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Re: [commons-parent] m2 profiles for PuTTY?

[Rahul Akolkar <ra...@gmail.com>]

On 12/9/06, Jochen Wiedmann <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 12/8/06, Rahul Akolkar <ra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > mvn -Prc deploy
> >
> > Folks like me and Hen can use:
> >
> > mvn -Pextrc deploy
>
> Would the extrc profile be a copy of the rc profile, with the wagon
> type as an exception? If so, then I'd be -1 for it. The rc profile
> does more than simply providing a deployment target.
>
<snip/>

Makes no sense, thats a shiny red herring, not justification for your
objection. Why do you think the new profile won't be able to similarly
do more?

With the two options in mind:
(1) Change repo URLs to scpexe (you are +0)
(2) Add new profiles with scpexe (you are -1)

I peeked at the wagon trunk code so we no longer have to talk in terms
of speculative smoke screens:
(a) scpexe allows for plink, pscp
(b) scpexe defaults (no <configuration>) to ssh, scp

I don't know if (b) performs at par with scp:// URLs, I won't have
access to a scp:// conducive environment till year end. Can you try?
If its at par, we take option (1) above, if not, option (2).

Without an scpexe option to developers, I'll be against Commons m2
deployments (and RCs) since it puts certain enviroments at a
disadvantage, when solutions remain in clear sight.

-Rahul


>
> Jochen
>
> --
> My wife Mary and I have been married for forty-seven years and not
> once have we had an argument serious enough to consider divorce;
> murder, yes, but divorce, never.
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>

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Re: [commons-parent] m2 profiles for PuTTY?

[Jochen Wiedmann <jo...@gmail.com>]

On 12/8/06, Rahul Akolkar <ra...@gmail.com> wrote:

> mvn -Prc deploy
>
> Folks like me and Hen can use:
>
> mvn -Pextrc deploy

Would the extrc profile be a copy of the rc profile, with the wagon
type as an exception? If so, then I'd be -1 for it. The rc profile
does more than simply providing a deployment target.


Jochen

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Re: [commons-parent] m2 profiles for PuTTY?

[Rahul Akolkar <ra...@gmail.com>]

On 12/8/06, Jochen Wiedmann <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 12/8/06, Henri Yandell <fl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Basically we type our passphrases in once when the OS comes up and
> > from that point on we can ssh/scp to machines without having to enter
> > passwords/passphrases.
>
> I admit that I still do not completely understand the details, but I
> do understand that scpexe has some possibilities which scp doesn't
> have. Right? If so, I'd be +0 for changing the protocol in
> commons-parent.
>
<snip/>

No, why change? Add. Isn't that the point of profiles -- to accomodate
differing environments.

Unless there are better suggestions to this thread within the next few
days, I will add two new profiles to commons-parent (they will take
care of rc and release over scpexe). That should accomodate everyone.

Those who prefer vanilla scp can deploy snaps with (like you do right now):

mvn -Prc deploy

Folks like me and Hen can use:

mvn -Pextrc deploy

(or some such profile id)

-Rahul


> Jochen
>
>
> --
> My wife Mary and I have been married for forty-seven years and not
> once have we had an argument serious enough to consider divorce;
> murder, yes, but divorce, never.
> (Jack Benny)
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Re: [commons-parent] m2 profiles for PuTTY?

[Jochen Wiedmann <jo...@gmail.com>]

On 12/8/06, Henri Yandell <fl...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Basically we type our passphrases in once when the OS comes up and
> from that point on we can ssh/scp to machines without having to enter
> passwords/passphrases.

I admit that I still do not completely understand the details, but I
do understand that scpexe has some possibilities which scp doesn't
have. Right? If so, I'd be +0 for changing the protocol in
commons-parent.

Jochen


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Re: [commons-parent] m2 profiles for PuTTY?

[Henri Yandell <fl...@gmail.com>]

Pageant/sshagent are the same thing.

Basically we type our passphrases in once when the OS comes up and
from that point on we can ssh/scp to machines without having to enter
passwords/passphrases.

Hen

On 12/8/06, Jochen Wiedmann <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 12/8/06, Henri Yandell <fl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I'm using scpexe (on *nix) in Archiva to do deploys because I couldn't
> > get the scp method to work with sshagent.
>
> Sorry for asking dumb question, but what does that mean? Is it
> something what jsch cannot do?
>
> On 12/8/06, Rahul Akolkar <ra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I'd like to use my existing Pageant keys when on Windoze (and
> > additionally, I don't want cygwin).
>
> Sorry for asking more dumb questions: What are Pageant keys? I am
> using private keys all the time.
>
> Jochen
>
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> once have we had an argument serious enough to consider divorce;
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Re: [commons-parent] m2 profiles for PuTTY?

[Rahul Akolkar <ra...@gmail.com>]

On 12/8/06, Jochen Wiedmann <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
<snip/>
> On 12/8/06, Rahul Akolkar <ra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I'd like to use my existing Pageant keys when on Windoze (and
> > additionally, I don't want cygwin).
>
> Sorry for asking more dumb questions: What are Pageant keys? I am
> using private keys all the time.
>
<snap/>

See this config:

 http://maven.apache.org/guides/mini/guide-deploy-ssh-external.html

(it has a scpexe:// URL, which I assume will make it possible to
deploy painlessly with my setup, haven't tried yet ofcourse)

See "NOTE" at end of the page (it has a link to all the PuTTY site,
which has all the PuTTY and Pageant info/details).

-Rahul


> Jochen
>
> --
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> once have we had an argument serious enough to consider divorce;
> murder, yes, but divorce, never.
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Re: [commons-parent] m2 profiles for PuTTY?

[Jochen Wiedmann <jo...@gmail.com>]

On 12/8/06, Henri Yandell <fl...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm using scpexe (on *nix) in Archiva to do deploys because I couldn't
> get the scp method to work with sshagent.

Sorry for asking dumb question, but what does that mean? Is it
something what jsch cannot do?

On 12/8/06, Rahul Akolkar <ra...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I'd like to use my existing Pageant keys when on Windoze (and
> additionally, I don't want cygwin).

Sorry for asking more dumb questions: What are Pageant keys? I am
using private keys all the time.

Jochen

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Re: [commons-parent] m2 profiles for PuTTY?

[Henri Yandell <fl...@gmail.com>]

On 12/8/06, Jochen Wiedmann <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 12/8/06, Rahul Akolkar <ra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > We may need separate profiles for PuTTY users in commons-parent?
>
> Why do you want to use putty? The wagon scp protocol has, IMO, the
> charm that it doesn't depend on any external programs. Additionally,
> it has the advantage that deploying with Maven is much faster with scp
> than with scpexe.

I'm using scpexe (on *nix) in Archiva to do deploys because I couldn't
get the scp method to work with sshagent.

Hen

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Re: [commons-parent] m2 profiles for PuTTY?

[Rahul Akolkar <ra...@gmail.com>]

On 12/8/06, Jochen Wiedmann <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 12/8/06, Rahul Akolkar <ra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > We may need separate profiles for PuTTY users in commons-parent?
>
> Why do you want to use putty? The wagon scp protocol has, IMO, the
> charm that it doesn't depend on any external programs. Additionally,
> it has the advantage that deploying with Maven is much faster with scp
> than with scpexe.
>
<snip/>

I'd like to use my existing Pageant keys when on Windoze (and
additionally, I don't want cygwin).

-Rahul


>
> Jochen
>
>
> --
> My wife Mary and I have been married for forty-seven years and not
> once have we had an argument serious enough to consider divorce;
> murder, yes, but divorce, never.
> (Jack Benny)
>

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Re: [commons-parent] m2 profiles for PuTTY?

[Jochen Wiedmann <jo...@gmail.com>]

On 12/8/06, Rahul Akolkar <ra...@gmail.com> wrote:

> We may need separate profiles for PuTTY users in commons-parent?

Why do you want to use putty? The wagon scp protocol has, IMO, the
charm that it doesn't depend on any external programs. Additionally,
it has the advantage that deploying with Maven is much faster with scp
than with scpexe.


Jochen


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