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Posted to adffaces-user@incubator.apache.org by Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org> on 2006/06/12 00:31:15 UTC
[Announcement] new name for Oracle's ADF Faces donation
Hi ADF community,
during the last three days we were looking for a new name. Lot's of
users suggested a new name and we finally voted on that names. The
community (not only the committers) voted mostly for the name
"Trinidad".
So in fact the "formal" ADF Faces component libary is know known as "Trinidad".
Thanks for your help!
-Matthias
--
Matthias Wessendorf
Aechterhoek 18
48282 Emsdetten
blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf
mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com
Re: [Announcement] new name for Oracle's ADF Faces donation
Posted by Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>.
I just read some of the incubator mails (sent by Noel)
this website is mentioned for checking if the *desired* name (in this
case Trinidad)
is already taken by a software
http://www.nameprotect.com/
-Matthias
On 6/14/06, Manfred Geiler <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes, I'm also quite sure that we are done.
> And, keep in mind that Trinidad is only the shortname, anyway. The
> full "trademark" will be
> "Apache Trinidad" (or "Apache MyFaces Trinidad" ;-)
> It's like "Faces" (common word, no trademark) and "JavaServer(tm) Faces".
>
> Manfred
>
>
> On 6/13/06, Martin Marinschek <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Yes, definitely so.
> >
> > Using the available trademark search bases is what the incubator process
> > suggests.
> >
> > regards,
> >
> > Martin
> >
> > On 6/13/06, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > I guess for that part we are really done.
> > >
> > > ;)
> > >
> > > On 6/12/06, Adam Winer <aw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > I doubt we really want to register a trademark - I just want to
> > > > make sure that we at least do what other Apache projects have
> > > > done.
> > > >
> > > > -- Adam
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 6/12/06, Martin Marinschek <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > Well, as I see it, the ASF only holds the trademarks for some
> > > foundation
> > > > > wide assets.
> > > > >
> > > > > If we want to be sure, we'll have to find someone sponsoring the
> > > acquisition
> > > > > of a trademark - apart from that, there is not much of a chance.
> > > > >
> > > > > regards,
> > > > >
> > > > > Martin
> > > > >
> > > > > On 6/12/06, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Frank,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > thanks for pointing out. The ASF seams to hold some trademarks
> > > ([1]).
> > > > > > I guess you went through this hell b/c of your company ? :)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > For the "Apache Trinidad", I think we should bring it up to a higher
> > > > > > level.
> > > > > > Perhaps Manfred as the MyFaces PMC Chair can help out.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -Matthias
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [1] http://www.apache.org/foundation/licence-FAQ.html#Marks
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 6/12/06, Frank Felix Debatin <ff...@gmx.net> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I checked on the German register. It only shows one entry in
> > > > > > > class 34 (which is Tobacco). See attachments.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > So there is no conflicting EU-wide entry. Obviously, this
> > > > > > > doesn't guarantee you that there might be additional local
> > > > > > > entries.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I think our odds are good too, but I believe there is a
> > > > > > > more
> > > > > > > > formal, legally complete method.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Unfortunately, this is not true (I've gone through that
> > > > > > > process recently, so I can tell). There is no safe way, 100%
> > > > > > > way. Legal regulations differ from country to country.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > BUT: the safest way is to register your own trademark, and
> > > > > > > wait whether somebody objects. If nobody objects for some
> > > > > > > time (1/2 year?) then you are pretty safe. Unfortunately,
> > > > > > > there is non-neglictable cost with filing a global
> > > > > > > trademark. If you don't use your trademark, you loose it
> > > > > > > after some time (5 years?), even if its registered.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer. This is just from what I can
> > > > > > > tell.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Frank Felix
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > From: Adam Winer [mailto:awiner@gmail.com]
> > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 7:30 PM
> > > > > > > > To: adffaces-user@incubator.apache.org
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Announcement] new name for Oracle's ADF
> > > > > > > Faces donation
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I think our odds are good too, but I believe there is a
> > > > > > > more
> > > > > > > > formal, legally complete method. We've got to be 100%
> > > > > > > sure,
> > > > > > > > not 99.9% sure. For example, I found that US Trademarks
> > > > > > > > could be searched with:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?f=searchss&state=8q2si5.
> > > > > > > 1.1
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > There's 47 trademarks against Trinidad, which look like
> > > > > > > > mostly Rum and Cigar trademarks, but also plants, bathroom
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > accessories, etc. None of those 47 referred to software,
> > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > anything at all high-tech. But I'd imagine there also
> > > > > > > needs
> > > > > > > > to be an EU search, etc., and this is a legal question,
> > > > > > > which
> > > > > > > > I'm definitely not qualified to answer!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > -- Adam
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On 6/11/06, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Last week I used google to "filter" these names.
> > > > > > > > > Candidates like topaz - as I expected - are already take
> > > > > > > by
> > > > > > > > companies
> > > > > > > > > or other software products. For Trinidad I found nothing
> > > > > > > like that.
> > > > > > > > > Other of the suggested name - like GOLD - I found abit
> > > > > > > more... that
> > > > > > > > > might be related to software.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I just found a software company, located in Port of
> > > > > > > Spain :-)
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I think with this name we have a pretty fine one.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Good night,
> > > > > > > > > Matthias
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On 6/11/06, Adam Winer <aw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Matthias,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Thanks for organizing this! I think we now need to do
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > some sort of
> > > > > > > > > > a more formal trademark check to make sure the name is
> > > > > > > OK.
> > > > > > > > > > I don't know how to do that... hopefully someone can
> > > > > > > help.
> > > > > > > > > > Once that finishes, we'll repackage (adf->trinidad),
> > > > > > > make it
> > > > > > > > > > official, and cross one item off our incubator list!
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > -- Adam
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On 6/11/06, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > Hi ADF community,
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > during the last three days we were looking for a new
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > name. Lot's
> > > > > > > > > > > of users suggested a new name and we finally voted
> > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > that names.
> > > > > > > > > > > The community (not only the committers) voted mostly
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > for the name
> > > > > > > > > > > "Trinidad".
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > So in fact the "formal" ADF Faces component libary
> > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > know known as "Trinidad".
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your help!
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > -Matthias
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > > Matthias Wessendorf
> > > > > > > > > > > Aechterhoek 18
> > > > > > > > > > > 48282 Emsdetten
> > > > > > > > > > > blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf
> > > > > > > > > > > mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > Matthias Wessendorf
> > > > > > > > > Aechterhoek 18
> > > > > > > > > 48282 Emsdetten
> > > > > > > > > blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf
> > > > > > > > > mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Matthias Wessendorf
> > > > > > Aechterhoek 18
> > > > > > 48282 Emsdetten
> > > > > > blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf
> > > > > > mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.irian.at
> > > > >
> > > > > Your JSF powerhouse -
> > > > > JSF Consulting, Development and
> > > > > Courses in English and German
> > > > >
> > > > > Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Matthias Wessendorf
> > > Aechterhoek 18
> > > 48282 Emsdetten
> > > blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf
> > > mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > http://www.irian.at
> >
> > Your JSF powerhouse -
> > JSF Consulting, Development and
> > Courses in English and German
> >
> > Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
> >
> >
>
--
Matthias Wessendorf
Aechterhoek 18
48282 Emsdetten
blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf
mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com
Re: [Announcement] new name for Oracle's ADF Faces donation
Posted by Manfred Geiler <ma...@gmail.com>.
Yes, I'm also quite sure that we are done.
And, keep in mind that Trinidad is only the shortname, anyway. The
full "trademark" will be
"Apache Trinidad" (or "Apache MyFaces Trinidad" ;-)
It's like "Faces" (common word, no trademark) and "JavaServer(tm) Faces".
Manfred
On 6/13/06, Martin Marinschek <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes, definitely so.
>
> Using the available trademark search bases is what the incubator process
> suggests.
>
> regards,
>
> Martin
>
> On 6/13/06, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > I guess for that part we are really done.
> >
> > ;)
> >
> > On 6/12/06, Adam Winer <aw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I doubt we really want to register a trademark - I just want to
> > > make sure that we at least do what other Apache projects have
> > > done.
> > >
> > > -- Adam
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 6/12/06, Martin Marinschek <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Well, as I see it, the ASF only holds the trademarks for some
> > foundation
> > > > wide assets.
> > > >
> > > > If we want to be sure, we'll have to find someone sponsoring the
> > acquisition
> > > > of a trademark - apart from that, there is not much of a chance.
> > > >
> > > > regards,
> > > >
> > > > Martin
> > > >
> > > > On 6/12/06, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Frank,
> > > > >
> > > > > thanks for pointing out. The ASF seams to hold some trademarks
> > ([1]).
> > > > > I guess you went through this hell b/c of your company ? :)
> > > > >
> > > > > For the "Apache Trinidad", I think we should bring it up to a higher
> > > > > level.
> > > > > Perhaps Manfred as the MyFaces PMC Chair can help out.
> > > > >
> > > > > -Matthias
> > > > >
> > > > > [1] http://www.apache.org/foundation/licence-FAQ.html#Marks
> > > > >
> > > > > On 6/12/06, Frank Felix Debatin <ff...@gmx.net> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I checked on the German register. It only shows one entry in
> > > > > > class 34 (which is Tobacco). See attachments.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So there is no conflicting EU-wide entry. Obviously, this
> > > > > > doesn't guarantee you that there might be additional local
> > > > > > entries.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I think our odds are good too, but I believe there is a
> > > > > > more
> > > > > > > formal, legally complete method.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Unfortunately, this is not true (I've gone through that
> > > > > > process recently, so I can tell). There is no safe way, 100%
> > > > > > way. Legal regulations differ from country to country.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > BUT: the safest way is to register your own trademark, and
> > > > > > wait whether somebody objects. If nobody objects for some
> > > > > > time (1/2 year?) then you are pretty safe. Unfortunately,
> > > > > > there is non-neglictable cost with filing a global
> > > > > > trademark. If you don't use your trademark, you loose it
> > > > > > after some time (5 years?), even if its registered.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer. This is just from what I can
> > > > > > tell.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Frank Felix
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: Adam Winer [mailto:awiner@gmail.com]
> > > > > > > Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 7:30 PM
> > > > > > > To: adffaces-user@incubator.apache.org
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Announcement] new name for Oracle's ADF
> > > > > > Faces donation
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I think our odds are good too, but I believe there is a
> > > > > > more
> > > > > > > formal, legally complete method. We've got to be 100%
> > > > > > sure,
> > > > > > > not 99.9% sure. For example, I found that US Trademarks
> > > > > > > could be searched with:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?f=searchss&state=8q2si5.
> > > > > > 1.1
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > There's 47 trademarks against Trinidad, which look like
> > > > > > > mostly Rum and Cigar trademarks, but also plants, bathroom
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > accessories, etc. None of those 47 referred to software,
> > > > > > or
> > > > > > > anything at all high-tech. But I'd imagine there also
> > > > > > needs
> > > > > > > to be an EU search, etc., and this is a legal question,
> > > > > > which
> > > > > > > I'm definitely not qualified to answer!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -- Adam
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 6/11/06, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > > > > > > Last week I used google to "filter" these names.
> > > > > > > > Candidates like topaz - as I expected - are already take
> > > > > > by
> > > > > > > companies
> > > > > > > > or other software products. For Trinidad I found nothing
> > > > > > like that.
> > > > > > > > Other of the suggested name - like GOLD - I found abit
> > > > > > more... that
> > > > > > > > might be related to software.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I just found a software company, located in Port of
> > > > > > Spain :-)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I think with this name we have a pretty fine one.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Good night,
> > > > > > > > Matthias
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On 6/11/06, Adam Winer <aw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Matthias,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Thanks for organizing this! I think we now need to do
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > some sort of
> > > > > > > > > a more formal trademark check to make sure the name is
> > > > > > OK.
> > > > > > > > > I don't know how to do that... hopefully someone can
> > > > > > help.
> > > > > > > > > Once that finishes, we'll repackage (adf->trinidad),
> > > > > > make it
> > > > > > > > > official, and cross one item off our incubator list!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > -- Adam
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On 6/11/06, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Hi ADF community,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > during the last three days we were looking for a new
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > name. Lot's
> > > > > > > > > > of users suggested a new name and we finally voted
> > > > > > on
> > > > > > > that names.
> > > > > > > > > > The community (not only the committers) voted mostly
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > for the name
> > > > > > > > > > "Trinidad".
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > So in fact the "formal" ADF Faces component libary
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > > know known as "Trinidad".
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your help!
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > -Matthias
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > Matthias Wessendorf
> > > > > > > > > > Aechterhoek 18
> > > > > > > > > > 48282 Emsdetten
> > > > > > > > > > blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf
> > > > > > > > > > mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > Matthias Wessendorf
> > > > > > > > Aechterhoek 18
> > > > > > > > 48282 Emsdetten
> > > > > > > > blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf
> > > > > > > > mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Matthias Wessendorf
> > > > > Aechterhoek 18
> > > > > 48282 Emsdetten
> > > > > blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf
> > > > > mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > http://www.irian.at
> > > >
> > > > Your JSF powerhouse -
> > > > JSF Consulting, Development and
> > > > Courses in English and German
> > > >
> > > > Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Matthias Wessendorf
> > Aechterhoek 18
> > 48282 Emsdetten
> > blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf
> > mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com
> >
>
>
>
> --
>
> http://www.irian.at
>
> Your JSF powerhouse -
> JSF Consulting, Development and
> Courses in English and German
>
> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>
>
Re: [Announcement] new name for Oracle's ADF Faces donation
Posted by Martin Marinschek <ma...@gmail.com>.
Yes, definitely so.
Using the available trademark search bases is what the incubator process
suggests.
regards,
Martin
On 6/13/06, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> I guess for that part we are really done.
>
> ;)
>
> On 6/12/06, Adam Winer <aw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I doubt we really want to register a trademark - I just want to
> > make sure that we at least do what other Apache projects have
> > done.
> >
> > -- Adam
> >
> >
> >
> > On 6/12/06, Martin Marinschek <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Well, as I see it, the ASF only holds the trademarks for some
> foundation
> > > wide assets.
> > >
> > > If we want to be sure, we'll have to find someone sponsoring the
> acquisition
> > > of a trademark - apart from that, there is not much of a chance.
> > >
> > > regards,
> > >
> > > Martin
> > >
> > > On 6/12/06, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Frank,
> > > >
> > > > thanks for pointing out. The ASF seams to hold some trademarks
> ([1]).
> > > > I guess you went through this hell b/c of your company ? :)
> > > >
> > > > For the "Apache Trinidad", I think we should bring it up to a higher
> > > > level.
> > > > Perhaps Manfred as the MyFaces PMC Chair can help out.
> > > >
> > > > -Matthias
> > > >
> > > > [1] http://www.apache.org/foundation/licence-FAQ.html#Marks
> > > >
> > > > On 6/12/06, Frank Felix Debatin <ff...@gmx.net> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I checked on the German register. It only shows one entry in
> > > > > class 34 (which is Tobacco). See attachments.
> > > > >
> > > > > So there is no conflicting EU-wide entry. Obviously, this
> > > > > doesn't guarantee you that there might be additional local
> > > > > entries.
> > > > >
> > > > > > I think our odds are good too, but I believe there is a
> > > > > more
> > > > > > formal, legally complete method.
> > > > >
> > > > > Unfortunately, this is not true (I've gone through that
> > > > > process recently, so I can tell). There is no safe way, 100%
> > > > > way. Legal regulations differ from country to country.
> > > > >
> > > > > BUT: the safest way is to register your own trademark, and
> > > > > wait whether somebody objects. If nobody objects for some
> > > > > time (1/2 year?) then you are pretty safe. Unfortunately,
> > > > > there is non-neglictable cost with filing a global
> > > > > trademark. If you don't use your trademark, you loose it
> > > > > after some time (5 years?), even if its registered.
> > > > >
> > > > > Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer. This is just from what I can
> > > > > tell.
> > > > >
> > > > > Frank Felix
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Adam Winer [mailto:awiner@gmail.com]
> > > > > > Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 7:30 PM
> > > > > > To: adffaces-user@incubator.apache.org
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [Announcement] new name for Oracle's ADF
> > > > > Faces donation
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I think our odds are good too, but I believe there is a
> > > > > more
> > > > > > formal, legally complete method. We've got to be 100%
> > > > > sure,
> > > > > > not 99.9% sure. For example, I found that US Trademarks
> > > > > > could be searched with:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?f=searchss&state=8q2si5.
> > > > > 1.1
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There's 47 trademarks against Trinidad, which look like
> > > > > > mostly Rum and Cigar trademarks, but also plants, bathroom
> > > > >
> > > > > > accessories, etc. None of those 47 referred to software,
> > > > > or
> > > > > > anything at all high-tech. But I'd imagine there also
> > > > > needs
> > > > > > to be an EU search, etc., and this is a legal question,
> > > > > which
> > > > > > I'm definitely not qualified to answer!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -- Adam
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 6/11/06, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > > > > > Last week I used google to "filter" these names.
> > > > > > > Candidates like topaz - as I expected - are already take
> > > > > by
> > > > > > companies
> > > > > > > or other software products. For Trinidad I found nothing
> > > > > like that.
> > > > > > > Other of the suggested name - like GOLD - I found abit
> > > > > more... that
> > > > > > > might be related to software.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I just found a software company, located in Port of
> > > > > Spain :-)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I think with this name we have a pretty fine one.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Good night,
> > > > > > > Matthias
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 6/11/06, Adam Winer <aw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > Matthias,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thanks for organizing this! I think we now need to do
> > > > >
> > > > > > some sort of
> > > > > > > > a more formal trademark check to make sure the name is
> > > > > OK.
> > > > > > > > I don't know how to do that... hopefully someone can
> > > > > help.
> > > > > > > > Once that finishes, we'll repackage (adf->trinidad),
> > > > > make it
> > > > > > > > official, and cross one item off our incubator list!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > -- Adam
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On 6/11/06, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Hi ADF community,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > during the last three days we were looking for a new
> > > > >
> > > > > > name. Lot's
> > > > > > > > > of users suggested a new name and we finally voted
> > > > > on
> > > > > > that names.
> > > > > > > > > The community (not only the committers) voted mostly
> > > > >
> > > > > > for the name
> > > > > > > > > "Trinidad".
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > So in fact the "formal" ADF Faces component libary
> > > > > is
> > > > > > know known as "Trinidad".
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Thanks for your help!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > -Matthias
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > Matthias Wessendorf
> > > > > > > > > Aechterhoek 18
> > > > > > > > > 48282 Emsdetten
> > > > > > > > > blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf
> > > > > > > > > mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > Matthias Wessendorf
> > > > > > > Aechterhoek 18
> > > > > > > 48282 Emsdetten
> > > > > > > blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf
> > > > > > > mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Matthias Wessendorf
> > > > Aechterhoek 18
> > > > 48282 Emsdetten
> > > > blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf
> > > > mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > http://www.irian.at
> > >
> > > Your JSF powerhouse -
> > > JSF Consulting, Development and
> > > Courses in English and German
> > >
> > > Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
> --
> Matthias Wessendorf
> Aechterhoek 18
> 48282 Emsdetten
> blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf
> mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com
>
--
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JSF Consulting, Development and
Courses in English and German
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Re: [Announcement] new name for Oracle's ADF Faces donation
Posted by Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>.
I guess for that part we are really done.
;)
On 6/12/06, Adam Winer <aw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I doubt we really want to register a trademark - I just want to
> make sure that we at least do what other Apache projects have
> done.
>
> -- Adam
>
>
>
> On 6/12/06, Martin Marinschek <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Well, as I see it, the ASF only holds the trademarks for some foundation
> > wide assets.
> >
> > If we want to be sure, we'll have to find someone sponsoring the acquisition
> > of a trademark - apart from that, there is not much of a chance.
> >
> > regards,
> >
> > Martin
> >
> > On 6/12/06, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > Frank,
> > >
> > > thanks for pointing out. The ASF seams to hold some trademarks ([1]).
> > > I guess you went through this hell b/c of your company ? :)
> > >
> > > For the "Apache Trinidad", I think we should bring it up to a higher
> > > level.
> > > Perhaps Manfred as the MyFaces PMC Chair can help out.
> > >
> > > -Matthias
> > >
> > > [1] http://www.apache.org/foundation/licence-FAQ.html#Marks
> > >
> > > On 6/12/06, Frank Felix Debatin <ff...@gmx.net> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I checked on the German register. It only shows one entry in
> > > > class 34 (which is Tobacco). See attachments.
> > > >
> > > > So there is no conflicting EU-wide entry. Obviously, this
> > > > doesn't guarantee you that there might be additional local
> > > > entries.
> > > >
> > > > > I think our odds are good too, but I believe there is a
> > > > more
> > > > > formal, legally complete method.
> > > >
> > > > Unfortunately, this is not true (I've gone through that
> > > > process recently, so I can tell). There is no safe way, 100%
> > > > way. Legal regulations differ from country to country.
> > > >
> > > > BUT: the safest way is to register your own trademark, and
> > > > wait whether somebody objects. If nobody objects for some
> > > > time (1/2 year?) then you are pretty safe. Unfortunately,
> > > > there is non-neglictable cost with filing a global
> > > > trademark. If you don't use your trademark, you loose it
> > > > after some time (5 years?), even if its registered.
> > > >
> > > > Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer. This is just from what I can
> > > > tell.
> > > >
> > > > Frank Felix
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Adam Winer [mailto:awiner@gmail.com]
> > > > > Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 7:30 PM
> > > > > To: adffaces-user@incubator.apache.org
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Announcement] new name for Oracle's ADF
> > > > Faces donation
> > > > >
> > > > > I think our odds are good too, but I believe there is a
> > > > more
> > > > > formal, legally complete method. We've got to be 100%
> > > > sure,
> > > > > not 99.9% sure. For example, I found that US Trademarks
> > > > > could be searched with:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?f=searchss&state=8q2si5.
> > > > 1.1
> > > > >
> > > > > There's 47 trademarks against Trinidad, which look like
> > > > > mostly Rum and Cigar trademarks, but also plants, bathroom
> > > >
> > > > > accessories, etc. None of those 47 referred to software,
> > > > or
> > > > > anything at all high-tech. But I'd imagine there also
> > > > needs
> > > > > to be an EU search, etc., and this is a legal question,
> > > > which
> > > > > I'm definitely not qualified to answer!
> > > > >
> > > > > -- Adam
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 6/11/06, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > > > > Last week I used google to "filter" these names.
> > > > > > Candidates like topaz - as I expected - are already take
> > > > by
> > > > > companies
> > > > > > or other software products. For Trinidad I found nothing
> > > > like that.
> > > > > > Other of the suggested name - like GOLD - I found abit
> > > > more... that
> > > > > > might be related to software.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I just found a software company, located in Port of
> > > > Spain :-)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I think with this name we have a pretty fine one.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Good night,
> > > > > > Matthias
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 6/11/06, Adam Winer <aw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > Matthias,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks for organizing this! I think we now need to do
> > > >
> > > > > some sort of
> > > > > > > a more formal trademark check to make sure the name is
> > > > OK.
> > > > > > > I don't know how to do that... hopefully someone can
> > > > help.
> > > > > > > Once that finishes, we'll repackage (adf->trinidad),
> > > > make it
> > > > > > > official, and cross one item off our incubator list!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -- Adam
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 6/11/06, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > Hi ADF community,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > during the last three days we were looking for a new
> > > >
> > > > > name. Lot's
> > > > > > > > of users suggested a new name and we finally voted
> > > > on
> > > > > that names.
> > > > > > > > The community (not only the committers) voted mostly
> > > >
> > > > > for the name
> > > > > > > > "Trinidad".
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > So in fact the "formal" ADF Faces component libary
> > > > is
> > > > > know known as "Trinidad".
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thanks for your help!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > -Matthias
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > Matthias Wessendorf
> > > > > > > > Aechterhoek 18
> > > > > > > > 48282 Emsdetten
> > > > > > > > blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf
> > > > > > > > mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Matthias Wessendorf
> > > > > > Aechterhoek 18
> > > > > > 48282 Emsdetten
> > > > > > blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf
> > > > > > mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Matthias Wessendorf
> > > Aechterhoek 18
> > > 48282 Emsdetten
> > > blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf
> > > mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > http://www.irian.at
> >
> > Your JSF powerhouse -
> > JSF Consulting, Development and
> > Courses in English and German
> >
> > Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
> >
> >
>
--
Matthias Wessendorf
Aechterhoek 18
48282 Emsdetten
blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf
mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com
Re: [Announcement] new name for Oracle's ADF Faces donation
Posted by Adam Winer <aw...@gmail.com>.
I doubt we really want to register a trademark - I just want to
make sure that we at least do what other Apache projects have
done.
-- Adam
On 6/12/06, Martin Marinschek <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, as I see it, the ASF only holds the trademarks for some foundation
> wide assets.
>
> If we want to be sure, we'll have to find someone sponsoring the acquisition
> of a trademark - apart from that, there is not much of a chance.
>
> regards,
>
> Martin
>
> On 6/12/06, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > Frank,
> >
> > thanks for pointing out. The ASF seams to hold some trademarks ([1]).
> > I guess you went through this hell b/c of your company ? :)
> >
> > For the "Apache Trinidad", I think we should bring it up to a higher
> > level.
> > Perhaps Manfred as the MyFaces PMC Chair can help out.
> >
> > -Matthias
> >
> > [1] http://www.apache.org/foundation/licence-FAQ.html#Marks
> >
> > On 6/12/06, Frank Felix Debatin <ff...@gmx.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > I checked on the German register. It only shows one entry in
> > > class 34 (which is Tobacco). See attachments.
> > >
> > > So there is no conflicting EU-wide entry. Obviously, this
> > > doesn't guarantee you that there might be additional local
> > > entries.
> > >
> > > > I think our odds are good too, but I believe there is a
> > > more
> > > > formal, legally complete method.
> > >
> > > Unfortunately, this is not true (I've gone through that
> > > process recently, so I can tell). There is no safe way, 100%
> > > way. Legal regulations differ from country to country.
> > >
> > > BUT: the safest way is to register your own trademark, and
> > > wait whether somebody objects. If nobody objects for some
> > > time (1/2 year?) then you are pretty safe. Unfortunately,
> > > there is non-neglictable cost with filing a global
> > > trademark. If you don't use your trademark, you loose it
> > > after some time (5 years?), even if its registered.
> > >
> > > Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer. This is just from what I can
> > > tell.
> > >
> > > Frank Felix
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Adam Winer [mailto:awiner@gmail.com]
> > > > Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 7:30 PM
> > > > To: adffaces-user@incubator.apache.org
> > > > Subject: Re: [Announcement] new name for Oracle's ADF
> > > Faces donation
> > > >
> > > > I think our odds are good too, but I believe there is a
> > > more
> > > > formal, legally complete method. We've got to be 100%
> > > sure,
> > > > not 99.9% sure. For example, I found that US Trademarks
> > > > could be searched with:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?f=searchss&state=8q2si5.
> > > 1.1
> > > >
> > > > There's 47 trademarks against Trinidad, which look like
> > > > mostly Rum and Cigar trademarks, but also plants, bathroom
> > >
> > > > accessories, etc. None of those 47 referred to software,
> > > or
> > > > anything at all high-tech. But I'd imagine there also
> > > needs
> > > > to be an EU search, etc., and this is a legal question,
> > > which
> > > > I'm definitely not qualified to answer!
> > > >
> > > > -- Adam
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 6/11/06, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > > > Last week I used google to "filter" these names.
> > > > > Candidates like topaz - as I expected - are already take
> > > by
> > > > companies
> > > > > or other software products. For Trinidad I found nothing
> > > like that.
> > > > > Other of the suggested name - like GOLD - I found abit
> > > more... that
> > > > > might be related to software.
> > > > >
> > > > > I just found a software company, located in Port of
> > > Spain :-)
> > > > >
> > > > > I think with this name we have a pretty fine one.
> > > > >
> > > > > Good night,
> > > > > Matthias
> > > > >
> > > > > On 6/11/06, Adam Winer <aw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > Matthias,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks for organizing this! I think we now need to do
> > >
> > > > some sort of
> > > > > > a more formal trademark check to make sure the name is
> > > OK.
> > > > > > I don't know how to do that... hopefully someone can
> > > help.
> > > > > > Once that finishes, we'll repackage (adf->trinidad),
> > > make it
> > > > > > official, and cross one item off our incubator list!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -- Adam
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 6/11/06, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > > Hi ADF community,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > during the last three days we were looking for a new
> > >
> > > > name. Lot's
> > > > > > > of users suggested a new name and we finally voted
> > > on
> > > > that names.
> > > > > > > The community (not only the committers) voted mostly
> > >
> > > > for the name
> > > > > > > "Trinidad".
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > So in fact the "formal" ADF Faces component libary
> > > is
> > > > know known as "Trinidad".
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks for your help!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -Matthias
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > Matthias Wessendorf
> > > > > > > Aechterhoek 18
> > > > > > > 48282 Emsdetten
> > > > > > > blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf
> > > > > > > mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Matthias Wessendorf
> > > > > Aechterhoek 18
> > > > > 48282 Emsdetten
> > > > > blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf
> > > > > mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Matthias Wessendorf
> > Aechterhoek 18
> > 48282 Emsdetten
> > blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf
> > mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com
> >
>
>
>
> --
>
> http://www.irian.at
>
> Your JSF powerhouse -
> JSF Consulting, Development and
> Courses in English and German
>
> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>
>
Re: [Announcement] new name for Oracle's ADF Faces donation
Posted by Martin Marinschek <ma...@gmail.com>.
Well, as I see it, the ASF only holds the trademarks for some foundation
wide assets.
If we want to be sure, we'll have to find someone sponsoring the acquisition
of a trademark - apart from that, there is not much of a chance.
regards,
Martin
On 6/12/06, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Frank,
>
> thanks for pointing out. The ASF seams to hold some trademarks ([1]).
> I guess you went through this hell b/c of your company ? :)
>
> For the "Apache Trinidad", I think we should bring it up to a higher
> level.
> Perhaps Manfred as the MyFaces PMC Chair can help out.
>
> -Matthias
>
> [1] http://www.apache.org/foundation/licence-FAQ.html#Marks
>
> On 6/12/06, Frank Felix Debatin <ff...@gmx.net> wrote:
> >
> > I checked on the German register. It only shows one entry in
> > class 34 (which is Tobacco). See attachments.
> >
> > So there is no conflicting EU-wide entry. Obviously, this
> > doesn't guarantee you that there might be additional local
> > entries.
> >
> > > I think our odds are good too, but I believe there is a
> > more
> > > formal, legally complete method.
> >
> > Unfortunately, this is not true (I've gone through that
> > process recently, so I can tell). There is no safe way, 100%
> > way. Legal regulations differ from country to country.
> >
> > BUT: the safest way is to register your own trademark, and
> > wait whether somebody objects. If nobody objects for some
> > time (1/2 year?) then you are pretty safe. Unfortunately,
> > there is non-neglictable cost with filing a global
> > trademark. If you don't use your trademark, you loose it
> > after some time (5 years?), even if its registered.
> >
> > Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer. This is just from what I can
> > tell.
> >
> > Frank Felix
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Adam Winer [mailto:awiner@gmail.com]
> > > Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 7:30 PM
> > > To: adffaces-user@incubator.apache.org
> > > Subject: Re: [Announcement] new name for Oracle's ADF
> > Faces donation
> > >
> > > I think our odds are good too, but I believe there is a
> > more
> > > formal, legally complete method. We've got to be 100%
> > sure,
> > > not 99.9% sure. For example, I found that US Trademarks
> > > could be searched with:
> > >
> > >
> > http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?f=searchss&state=8q2si5.
> > 1.1
> > >
> > > There's 47 trademarks against Trinidad, which look like
> > > mostly Rum and Cigar trademarks, but also plants, bathroom
> >
> > > accessories, etc. None of those 47 referred to software,
> > or
> > > anything at all high-tech. But I'd imagine there also
> > needs
> > > to be an EU search, etc., and this is a legal question,
> > which
> > > I'm definitely not qualified to answer!
> > >
> > > -- Adam
> > >
> > >
> > > On 6/11/06, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > > Last week I used google to "filter" these names.
> > > > Candidates like topaz - as I expected - are already take
> > by
> > > companies
> > > > or other software products. For Trinidad I found nothing
> > like that.
> > > > Other of the suggested name - like GOLD - I found abit
> > more... that
> > > > might be related to software.
> > > >
> > > > I just found a software company, located in Port of
> > Spain :-)
> > > >
> > > > I think with this name we have a pretty fine one.
> > > >
> > > > Good night,
> > > > Matthias
> > > >
> > > > On 6/11/06, Adam Winer <aw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > Matthias,
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for organizing this! I think we now need to do
> >
> > > some sort of
> > > > > a more formal trademark check to make sure the name is
> > OK.
> > > > > I don't know how to do that... hopefully someone can
> > help.
> > > > > Once that finishes, we'll repackage (adf->trinidad),
> > make it
> > > > > official, and cross one item off our incubator list!
> > > > >
> > > > > -- Adam
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 6/11/06, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> > > > > > Hi ADF community,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > during the last three days we were looking for a new
> >
> > > name. Lot's
> > > > > > of users suggested a new name and we finally voted
> > on
> > > that names.
> > > > > > The community (not only the committers) voted mostly
> >
> > > for the name
> > > > > > "Trinidad".
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So in fact the "formal" ADF Faces component libary
> > is
> > > know known as "Trinidad".
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks for your help!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -Matthias
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Matthias Wessendorf
> > > > > > Aechterhoek 18
> > > > > > 48282 Emsdetten
> > > > > > blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf
> > > > > > mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Matthias Wessendorf
> > > > Aechterhoek 18
> > > > 48282 Emsdetten
> > > > blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf
> > > > mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Matthias Wessendorf
> Aechterhoek 18
> 48282 Emsdetten
> blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf
> mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com
>
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Re: [Announcement] new name for Oracle's ADF Faces donation
Posted by Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>.
Frank,
thanks for pointing out. The ASF seams to hold some trademarks ([1]).
I guess you went through this hell b/c of your company ? :)
For the "Apache Trinidad", I think we should bring it up to a higher level.
Perhaps Manfred as the MyFaces PMC Chair can help out.
-Matthias
[1] http://www.apache.org/foundation/licence-FAQ.html#Marks
On 6/12/06, Frank Felix Debatin <ff...@gmx.net> wrote:
>
> I checked on the German register. It only shows one entry in
> class 34 (which is Tobacco). See attachments.
>
> So there is no conflicting EU-wide entry. Obviously, this
> doesn't guarantee you that there might be additional local
> entries.
>
> > I think our odds are good too, but I believe there is a
> more
> > formal, legally complete method.
>
> Unfortunately, this is not true (I've gone through that
> process recently, so I can tell). There is no safe way, 100%
> way. Legal regulations differ from country to country.
>
> BUT: the safest way is to register your own trademark, and
> wait whether somebody objects. If nobody objects for some
> time (1/2 year?) then you are pretty safe. Unfortunately,
> there is non-neglictable cost with filing a global
> trademark. If you don't use your trademark, you loose it
> after some time (5 years?), even if its registered.
>
> Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer. This is just from what I can
> tell.
>
> Frank Felix
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Adam Winer [mailto:awiner@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 7:30 PM
> > To: adffaces-user@incubator.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: [Announcement] new name for Oracle's ADF
> Faces donation
> >
> > I think our odds are good too, but I believe there is a
> more
> > formal, legally complete method. We've got to be 100%
> sure,
> > not 99.9% sure. For example, I found that US Trademarks
> > could be searched with:
> >
> >
> http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?f=searchss&state=8q2si5.
> 1.1
> >
> > There's 47 trademarks against Trinidad, which look like
> > mostly Rum and Cigar trademarks, but also plants, bathroom
>
> > accessories, etc. None of those 47 referred to software,
> or
> > anything at all high-tech. But I'd imagine there also
> needs
> > to be an EU search, etc., and this is a legal question,
> which
> > I'm definitely not qualified to answer!
> >
> > -- Adam
> >
> >
> > On 6/11/06, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > Last week I used google to "filter" these names.
> > > Candidates like topaz - as I expected - are already take
> by
> > companies
> > > or other software products. For Trinidad I found nothing
> like that.
> > > Other of the suggested name - like GOLD - I found abit
> more... that
> > > might be related to software.
> > >
> > > I just found a software company, located in Port of
> Spain :-)
> > >
> > > I think with this name we have a pretty fine one.
> > >
> > > Good night,
> > > Matthias
> > >
> > > On 6/11/06, Adam Winer <aw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Matthias,
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for organizing this! I think we now need to do
>
> > some sort of
> > > > a more formal trademark check to make sure the name is
> OK.
> > > > I don't know how to do that... hopefully someone can
> help.
> > > > Once that finishes, we'll repackage (adf->trinidad),
> make it
> > > > official, and cross one item off our incubator list!
> > > >
> > > > -- Adam
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 6/11/06, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> > > > > Hi ADF community,
> > > > >
> > > > > during the last three days we were looking for a new
>
> > name. Lot's
> > > > > of users suggested a new name and we finally voted
> on
> > that names.
> > > > > The community (not only the committers) voted mostly
>
> > for the name
> > > > > "Trinidad".
> > > > >
> > > > > So in fact the "formal" ADF Faces component libary
> is
> > know known as "Trinidad".
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for your help!
> > > > >
> > > > > -Matthias
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Matthias Wessendorf
> > > > > Aechterhoek 18
> > > > > 48282 Emsdetten
> > > > > blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf
> > > > > mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Matthias Wessendorf
> > > Aechterhoek 18
> > > 48282 Emsdetten
> > > blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf
> > > mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com
> > >
> >
>
>
--
Matthias Wessendorf
Aechterhoek 18
48282 Emsdetten
blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf
mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com
Re: [Announcement] new name for Oracle's ADF Faces donation
Posted by Grant Smith <wo...@gmail.com>.
What have other projects done ? I doubt any other ASF projects have a formal
trademark. I *THINK* as long as we have done a seach, we should be able to
proceed.
On 6/12/06, Frank Felix Debatin <ff...@gmx.net> wrote:
>
>
> I checked on the German register. It only shows one entry in
> class 34 (which is Tobacco). See attachments.
>
> So there is no conflicting EU-wide entry. Obviously, this
> doesn't guarantee you that there might be additional local
> entries.
>
> > I think our odds are good too, but I believe there is a
> more
> > formal, legally complete method.
>
> Unfortunately, this is not true (I've gone through that
> process recently, so I can tell). There is no safe way, 100%
> way. Legal regulations differ from country to country.
>
> BUT: the safest way is to register your own trademark, and
> wait whether somebody objects. If nobody objects for some
> time (1/2 year?) then you are pretty safe. Unfortunately,
> there is non-neglictable cost with filing a global
> trademark. If you don't use your trademark, you loose it
> after some time (5 years?), even if its registered.
>
> Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer. This is just from what I can
> tell.
>
> Frank Felix
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Adam Winer [mailto:awiner@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 7:30 PM
> > To: adffaces-user@incubator.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: [Announcement] new name for Oracle's ADF
> Faces donation
> >
> > I think our odds are good too, but I believe there is a
> more
> > formal, legally complete method. We've got to be 100%
> sure,
> > not 99.9% sure. For example, I found that US Trademarks
> > could be searched with:
> >
> >
> http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?f=searchss&state=8q2si5.
> 1.1
> >
> > There's 47 trademarks against Trinidad, which look like
> > mostly Rum and Cigar trademarks, but also plants, bathroom
>
> > accessories, etc. None of those 47 referred to software,
> or
> > anything at all high-tech. But I'd imagine there also
> needs
> > to be an EU search, etc., and this is a legal question,
> which
> > I'm definitely not qualified to answer!
> >
> > -- Adam
> >
> >
> > On 6/11/06, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > Last week I used google to "filter" these names.
> > > Candidates like topaz - as I expected - are already take
> by
> > companies
> > > or other software products. For Trinidad I found nothing
> like that.
> > > Other of the suggested name - like GOLD - I found abit
> more... that
> > > might be related to software.
> > >
> > > I just found a software company, located in Port of
> Spain :-)
> > >
> > > I think with this name we have a pretty fine one.
> > >
> > > Good night,
> > > Matthias
> > >
> > > On 6/11/06, Adam Winer <aw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Matthias,
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for organizing this! I think we now need to do
>
> > some sort of
> > > > a more formal trademark check to make sure the name is
> OK.
> > > > I don't know how to do that... hopefully someone can
> help.
> > > > Once that finishes, we'll repackage (adf->trinidad),
> make it
> > > > official, and cross one item off our incubator list!
> > > >
> > > > -- Adam
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 6/11/06, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> > > > > Hi ADF community,
> > > > >
> > > > > during the last three days we were looking for a new
>
> > name. Lot's
> > > > > of users suggested a new name and we finally voted
> on
> > that names.
> > > > > The community (not only the committers) voted mostly
>
> > for the name
> > > > > "Trinidad".
> > > > >
> > > > > So in fact the "formal" ADF Faces component libary
> is
> > know known as "Trinidad".
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for your help!
> > > > >
> > > > > -Matthias
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Matthias Wessendorf
> > > > > Aechterhoek 18
> > > > > 48282 Emsdetten
> > > > > blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf
> > > > > mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Matthias Wessendorf
> > > Aechterhoek 18
> > > 48282 Emsdetten
> > > blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf
> > > mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com
> > >
> >
>
>
--
Grant Smith
RE: [Announcement] new name for Oracle's ADF Faces donation
Posted by Frank Felix Debatin <ff...@gmx.net>.
I checked on the German register. It only shows one entry in
class 34 (which is Tobacco). See attachments.
So there is no conflicting EU-wide entry. Obviously, this
doesn't guarantee you that there might be additional local
entries.
> I think our odds are good too, but I believe there is a
more
> formal, legally complete method.
Unfortunately, this is not true (I've gone through that
process recently, so I can tell). There is no safe way, 100%
way. Legal regulations differ from country to country.
BUT: the safest way is to register your own trademark, and
wait whether somebody objects. If nobody objects for some
time (1/2 year?) then you are pretty safe. Unfortunately,
there is non-neglictable cost with filing a global
trademark. If you don't use your trademark, you loose it
after some time (5 years?), even if its registered.
Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer. This is just from what I can
tell.
Frank Felix
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Adam Winer [mailto:awiner@gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 7:30 PM
> To: adffaces-user@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [Announcement] new name for Oracle's ADF
Faces donation
>
> I think our odds are good too, but I believe there is a
more
> formal, legally complete method. We've got to be 100%
sure,
> not 99.9% sure. For example, I found that US Trademarks
> could be searched with:
>
>
http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?f=searchss&state=8q2si5.
1.1
>
> There's 47 trademarks against Trinidad, which look like
> mostly Rum and Cigar trademarks, but also plants, bathroom
> accessories, etc. None of those 47 referred to software,
or
> anything at all high-tech. But I'd imagine there also
needs
> to be an EU search, etc., and this is a legal question,
which
> I'm definitely not qualified to answer!
>
> -- Adam
>
>
> On 6/11/06, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
> > Last week I used google to "filter" these names.
> > Candidates like topaz - as I expected - are already take
by
> companies
> > or other software products. For Trinidad I found nothing
like that.
> > Other of the suggested name - like GOLD - I found abit
more... that
> > might be related to software.
> >
> > I just found a software company, located in Port of
Spain :-)
> >
> > I think with this name we have a pretty fine one.
> >
> > Good night,
> > Matthias
> >
> > On 6/11/06, Adam Winer <aw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Matthias,
> > >
> > > Thanks for organizing this! I think we now need to do
> some sort of
> > > a more formal trademark check to make sure the name is
OK.
> > > I don't know how to do that... hopefully someone can
help.
> > > Once that finishes, we'll repackage (adf->trinidad),
make it
> > > official, and cross one item off our incubator list!
> > >
> > > -- Adam
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 6/11/06, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
wrote:
> > > > Hi ADF community,
> > > >
> > > > during the last three days we were looking for a new
> name. Lot's
> > > > of users suggested a new name and we finally voted
on
> that names.
> > > > The community (not only the committers) voted mostly
> for the name
> > > > "Trinidad".
> > > >
> > > > So in fact the "formal" ADF Faces component libary
is
> know known as "Trinidad".
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for your help!
> > > >
> > > > -Matthias
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Matthias Wessendorf
> > > > Aechterhoek 18
> > > > 48282 Emsdetten
> > > > blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf
> > > > mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Matthias Wessendorf
> > Aechterhoek 18
> > 48282 Emsdetten
> > blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf
> > mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com
> >
>
Re: [Announcement] new name for Oracle's ADF Faces donation
Posted by Adam Winer <aw...@gmail.com>.
I think our odds are good too, but I believe there is a more
formal, legally complete method. We've got to be 100% sure,
not 99.9% sure. For example, I found that US Trademarks could
be searched with:
http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?f=searchss&state=8q2si5.1.1
There's 47 trademarks against Trinidad, which look like mostly
Rum and Cigar trademarks, but also plants, bathroom accessories,
etc. None of those 47 referred to software, or anything at all
high-tech. But I'd imagine there also needs to be an EU search,
etc., and this is a legal question, which I'm definitely not
qualified to answer!
-- Adam
On 6/11/06, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
> Last week I used google to "filter" these names.
> Candidates like topaz - as I expected - are already take by companies
> or other software products. For Trinidad I found nothing like that.
> Other of the suggested name - like GOLD - I found abit more... that
> might be related to software.
>
> I just found a software company, located in Port of Spain :-)
>
> I think with this name we have a pretty fine one.
>
> Good night,
> Matthias
>
> On 6/11/06, Adam Winer <aw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Matthias,
> >
> > Thanks for organizing this! I think we now need to do some sort
> > of a more formal trademark check to make sure the name is OK.
> > I don't know how to do that... hopefully someone can help.
> > Once that finishes, we'll repackage (adf->trinidad), make
> > it official, and cross one item off our incubator list!
> >
> > -- Adam
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 6/11/06, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > Hi ADF community,
> > >
> > > during the last three days we were looking for a new name. Lot's of
> > > users suggested a new name and we finally voted on that names. The
> > > community (not only the committers) voted mostly for the name
> > > "Trinidad".
> > >
> > > So in fact the "formal" ADF Faces component libary is know known as "Trinidad".
> > >
> > > Thanks for your help!
> > >
> > > -Matthias
> > >
> > > --
> > > Matthias Wessendorf
> > > Aechterhoek 18
> > > 48282 Emsdetten
> > > blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf
> > > mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com
> > >
> >
>
>
> --
> Matthias Wessendorf
> Aechterhoek 18
> 48282 Emsdetten
> blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf
> mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com
>
Re: [Announcement] new name for Oracle's ADF Faces donation
Posted by Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>.
Last week I used google to "filter" these names.
Candidates like topaz - as I expected - are already take by companies
or other software products. For Trinidad I found nothing like that.
Other of the suggested name - like GOLD - I found abit more... that
might be related to software.
I just found a software company, located in Port of Spain :-)
I think with this name we have a pretty fine one.
Good night,
Matthias
On 6/11/06, Adam Winer <aw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Matthias,
>
> Thanks for organizing this! I think we now need to do some sort
> of a more formal trademark check to make sure the name is OK.
> I don't know how to do that... hopefully someone can help.
> Once that finishes, we'll repackage (adf->trinidad), make
> it official, and cross one item off our incubator list!
>
> -- Adam
>
>
>
>
> On 6/11/06, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
> > Hi ADF community,
> >
> > during the last three days we were looking for a new name. Lot's of
> > users suggested a new name and we finally voted on that names. The
> > community (not only the committers) voted mostly for the name
> > "Trinidad".
> >
> > So in fact the "formal" ADF Faces component libary is know known as "Trinidad".
> >
> > Thanks for your help!
> >
> > -Matthias
> >
> > --
> > Matthias Wessendorf
> > Aechterhoek 18
> > 48282 Emsdetten
> > blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf
> > mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com
> >
>
--
Matthias Wessendorf
Aechterhoek 18
48282 Emsdetten
blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf
mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com
Re: [Announcement] new name for Oracle's ADF Faces donation
Posted by Adam Winer <aw...@gmail.com>.
Matthias,
Thanks for organizing this! I think we now need to do some sort
of a more formal trademark check to make sure the name is OK.
I don't know how to do that... hopefully someone can help.
Once that finishes, we'll repackage (adf->trinidad), make
it official, and cross one item off our incubator list!
-- Adam
On 6/11/06, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi ADF community,
>
> during the last three days we were looking for a new name. Lot's of
> users suggested a new name and we finally voted on that names. The
> community (not only the committers) voted mostly for the name
> "Trinidad".
>
> So in fact the "formal" ADF Faces component libary is know known as "Trinidad".
>
> Thanks for your help!
>
> -Matthias
>
> --
> Matthias Wessendorf
> Aechterhoek 18
> 48282 Emsdetten
> blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf
> mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com
>