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Posted to dev@openmeetings.apache.org by Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com> on 2013/07/02 01:03:28 UTC
Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenMeetings 2.1.1 Release Candidate 1
I think README is ok.
--
With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
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On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Should it be in NOTES or README or both?
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 4:08 PM, Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Are there any objections to the following text?
>>
>> ---
>> Video/audio SIP integration is no longer a part of Apache release.
>> Check free red5sip product for this integration.
>>
>> We also introduced reliability testing for this release (great job,
>> Vasily Degtyarev!) For 1 hour long conferences the following does not
>> work with Openmeetings 2.1.1:
>> * Recordigs
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-669
>> * Recent version with Adobe Flash (please downgrade to 11.5 version)
>> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=885188
>> * Multi-tabbing (no other flash application should be running in
>> different browsers or tabs)
>> ---
>> 26.06.2013 12:17 пользователь "Maxim Solodovnik" <so...@gmail.com>
>> написал:
>>
>> > @Alexei, I believe red5sip issues should not affect OM release cycle.
>> >
>> > I was planning to release 2.1.1RC1.
>> > Please let me know if RC2 should be packed. (I see no need for this right
>> > now)
>> >
>> > In case README and/or NOTICE need to be changed I would really appreciate
>> > if anybody will send me the new text.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 3:15 PM, seba.wagner@gmail.com <
>> > seba.wagner@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > I know from the past that you have been not allowed to use the same
>> > device
>> > > in multiple Flash Applications at the same time.
>> > > In the past it was for example even like that:
>> > > If a microphone or camera device was taken, the Flash Plagin
>> *magically*
>> > > knew it and any further request to Microphone.get(); would return a
>> list
>> > of
>> > > Microphone _except_ the one that is already in use.
>> > >
>> > > So what I can confirm is: There have been problems already in the past
>> > > where you could not use the same Microphone in multiple Flash
>> > Applications
>> > > on the same device (no matter if you do that in multiple tabs or in IE
>> > and
>> > > Firefox).
>> > >
>> > > A general rule is: Only one application at a time should access the
>> > > Microphone (or Camera). For instance: Skype and OpenMeetings should not
>> > run
>> > > parallel and both use the Microphone at the same time (an exception
>> might
>> > > be if you really have two microphone devices physically with two
>> > separated
>> > > drivers et cetera).
>> > >
>> > > But I always thought that would be more like a common knowledge, its
>> > > actually true for any kind of Video-Conferencing or WebChat
>> application,
>> > > not even for browser or Flash related applications: Only one
>> application
>> > at
>> > > the same time should use Microphone or Camera.
>> > >
>> > > Sebastian
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > 2013/6/25 Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
>> > >
>> > > > Sebastian,
>> > > >
>> > > > My best guess about multi-tabs root cause is un-synchronized access
>> to
>> > > > video/audio coding internals (decoding works well) and inside Flash
>> > > > and device drivers. This makes crashes unpredictable.
>> > > >
>> > > > --
>> > > > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
>> > > > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
>> > > > http://dataved.ru/
>> > > > +7 916 562 8095
>> > > >
>> > > > [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today,
>> > > http://openmeetings.apache.org/
>> > > > [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin,
>> http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
>> > > > [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook,
>> > http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 4:58 AM, seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> > > > <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > > * Multi-tabbing (no other flash application should be running in
>> > > > different
>> > > > > browsers or tabs)*
>> > > > > "This is a well-known problem with Flash on Linux"
>> > > > > => Then the sentence might be more like:
>> > > > > " Running multiple instance of OpenMeetings or Flash applications
>> on
>> > > > Linux
>> > > > > can cause issues with the stability of the Flash Plugin"
>> > > > >
>> > > > > My problem is more the general approach of all those release notes.
>> > > > > You generally say: Usage of multiple tabs is forbidden, while the
>> > > actual
>> > > > > use case is much more specific.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Same for recordings, the documented use cases is fairly more
>> detailed
>> > > > then
>> > > > > the Release Notes indicate.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Do you have a proposal for those Release Notes that would reflect
>> > more
>> > > > the
>> > > > > detailed level of discussion that we have done now?
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Thanks,
>> > > > > Sebastian
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > 2013/6/25 Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
>> > > > >
>> > > > >> That was intended to be one sentence, (it is broken in the text)
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> > For those who don't trust, let's try a recording session online
>> > and
>> > > > >> check.
>> > > > >> --
>> > > > >> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
>> > > > >> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
>> > > > >> http://dataved.ru/
>> > > > >> +7 916 562 8095
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today,
>> > > > http://openmeetings.apache.org/
>> > > > >> [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin,
>> > http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
>> > > > >> [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook,
>> > > http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Alexei Fedotov
>> > > > >> <al...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > >> > Artyom,
>> > > > >> > release notes are written for a user. Imagine you are one. Notes
>> > > > >> > should help you and tell
>> > > > >> > you that despite openmeetings.apache.org web site which
>> mentions
>> > > > >> > recordings they do not work for
>> > > > >> > real conferences in 2.1.1. If you learn this by trial and error,
>> > > > >> > it will take a lot of your time.
>> > > > >> >
>> > > > >> > Release notes are not intended to blame that someone breaks
>> > > something.
>> > > > >> > This is useless anyway because one can imagine the case when
>> > > > >> > Openmeetings breaks by itself (and we
>> > > > >> > get one with Adobe auto-updater).
>> > > > >> >
>> > > > >> > Sebastian,
>> > > > >> > The bug about recordings is not that good in description, still
>> > the
>> > > > >> > problem exists. We do recordings several times per week, and
>> soon
>> > > > >> > locate the problem root cause more accurately. Vasily reports
>> that
>> > > > >> > generic recording session works for no longer than 20 minutes
>> > > (longer
>> > > > >> > recording sessions are rare exceptions).
>> > > > >> > a recording session online and check. I myself did several in a
>> > row.
>> > > > >> > Taking into account the standard conference planning cycle is 1
>> > > hour,
>> > > > >> > I think 20 minutes is not sufficient.
>> > > > >> >
>> > > > >> > For those who don't trust, let's try. The "try it" approach
>> > > magically
>> > > > >> > worked for multi-tabs and Irina, we
>> > > > >> > got a crash in few seconds. She seems much more convinced in her
>> > > last
>> > > > >> > letter, though this is only a part of the problem. Also
>> > multi-tabbed
>> > > > >> > openmeetings somehow corrupts windows microphone settings.
>> > > > >> >
>> > > > >> > As for memory consumption, locating a problem was more
>> difficult,
>> > > than
>> > > > >> > to believe into it now. IMHO Adobe developers have leaks in
>> codec
>> > > > >> > implementations (eg releasing memory for some video frames),
>> when
>> > we
>> > > > >> > do not free all resources explicitly (and cannot free
>> system-deep
>> > > > >> > resources). SIP integration has its own server resource leak,
>> this
>> > > one
>> > > > >> > is unrelated.
>> > > > >> >
>> > > > >> > While I personally want having SIP among the features (and do
>> test
>> > > it
>> > > > >> > several times a day), I'm ok with dropping it. Let's just
>> reflect
>> > > this
>> > > > >> > drop in the last release notes. This is important because we
>> > > announced
>> > > > >> > SIP integration several times, and the last time was in March.
>> > > > >> >
>> > > > >> > I'm not +1 with shipping a release which misses reported
>> features
>> > > > >> > without a proper note, because this potentially makes customers
>> > > > >> > unhappy.
>> > > > >> >
>> > > > >> > --
>> > > > >> > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
>> > > > >> > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
>> > > > >> > http://dataved.ru/
>> > > > >> > +7 916 562 8095
>> > > > >> >
>> > > > >> > [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today,
>> > > > >> http://openmeetings.apache.org/
>> > > > >> > [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin,
>> > > http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
>> > > > >> > [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook,
>> > > > http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
>> > > > >> >
>> > > > >> >
>> > > > >> > On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 3:08 PM, seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> > > > >> > <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > >> >> Hi there,
>> > > > >> >>
>> > > > >> >> regarding OPENMEETINGS-669
>> > > > >> >> This has nothing todo with Release 2.1.1. I don't think it
>> should
>> > > be
>> > > > a
>> > > > >> note
>> > > > >> >> in the release notes. The comment in the Jira ticket *I have
>> > > retested
>> > > > >> on OM
>> > > > >> >> 3.0. Recording works without errors.*
>> > > > >> >> => This error can potentially happen with any version of
>> > > > OpenMeetings.
>> > > > >> >> I can clarify the details of how and when this can happen,
>> > however
>> > > > the
>> > > > >> root
>> > > > >> >> cause of the issue is not any new introduced functionality of
>> > > > >> OpenMeetings
>> > > > >> >> 2.1.1 and it has _nothing_ todo with the length of the
>> > recording. I
>> > > > >> would
>> > > > >> >> be very happy if there would be a concrete steps to reproduce
>> the
>> > > > issue
>> > > > >> in
>> > > > >> >> the Bug report.
>> > > > >> >>
>> > > > >> >> regarding https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=885188
>> > > > >> >> Does this bug happen also _without_ using the SIP integration?
>> > > > >> >> Also the Bug report clearly states that the inital report has
>> > > nothing
>> > > > >> todo
>> > > > >> >> with the second crash report in the ticket.
>> > > > >> >> I doubt that downgrading Flash Player will change the memory
>> > > > >> consumption,
>> > > > >> >> however that is also just a theory. The same theory that the
>> bug
>> > > > report
>> > > > >> >> asumes by saying *downgrading Flash solves the issue*. I don't
>> > > think
>> > > > >> that
>> > > > >> >> there is a general request for *downgrade to 11.5 version* of
>> > Flash
>> > > > >> Player.
>> > > > >> >> The bug report actually does not even mention which version
>> > exactly
>> > > > was
>> > > > >> >> tested and identified as buggy. So which version of the Flash
>> > > Player
>> > > > was
>> > > > >> >> this actually? And for instance which task exactly in the Flash
>> > > > Player
>> > > > >> has
>> > > > >> >> the memory leak? It could be for instance also a problem with
>> our
>> > > > >> >> Audio/Video Codec configuration in the conference room or
>> simply
>> > a
>> > > > >> problem
>> > > > >> >> with the cam/microphone driver on that particular device.
>> > > > >> >>
>> > > > >> >> * Multi-tabbing (no other flash application should be running
>> in
>> > > > >> different
>> > > > >> >> browsers or tabs)*
>> > > > >> >> => I don't see any problem in running two instances of
>> > OpenMeetings
>> > > > >> next to
>> > > > >> >> each other, I do that all the time for testing.
>> > > > >> >> I don't think this Release Note should be added. What Irina
>> > > mentions
>> > > > is
>> > > > >> a
>> > > > >> >> specific use-case, but even that, I do that all the time
>> without
>> > > > >> issues. So
>> > > > >> >> there might be a problem but creating now the general
>> restriction
>> > > to
>> > > > >> have
>> > > > >> >> only a single tab opened all the time and close everything else
>> > > > seems a
>> > > > >> bit
>> > > > >> >> restricted. Maybe this phrase could be worded differently:
>> > > > >> >> *Running multiple Flash Applications or OpenMeetings instances
>> in
>> > > > >> multiple
>> > > > >> >> Tabs on the same device can lead to unexpected behaviour*
>> > > > >> >>
>> > > > >> >> regarding OPENMEETINGS-677, OPENMEETINGS-678
>> > > > >> >> What is it that we mention this in the Release Notes?
>> Integration
>> > > of
>> > > > >> >> SIP-Video is not on our list of current features. It would be a
>> > > nice
>> > > > >> >> feature, but why would you add it to the Release Notes if there
>> > is
>> > > an
>> > > > >> issue
>> > > > >> >> with it? It was not even announced yet that it would exist at
>> > all?
>> > > > >> >>
>> > > > >> >> Thanks,
>> > > > >> >> Sebastian
>> > > > >> >>
>> > > > >> >>
>> > > > >> >>
>> > > > >> >> 2013/6/24 Irina Arkhipets <ir...@gmail.com>
>> > > > >> >>
>> > > > >> >>> Hi All,
>> > > > >> >>>
>> > > > >> >>> Reharding the multi-tabbing:
>> > > > >> >>>
>> > > > >> >>> Here is a link to the crash report I've received recently
>> when I
>> > > > tried
>> > > > >> to
>> > > > >> >>> sit in two different OpenMeetings rooms in the tabs of the
>> same
>> > > > >> Mozilla FF
>> > > > >> >>> browser:
>> > > > >> >>>
>> > > > >> >>>
>> > > > >>
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>> https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/c448bb3d-18ef-45f6-aa66-7d8492130624
>> > > > >> >>>
>> > > > >> >>> It looks like some known bug in the flash player: see the list
>> > of
>> > > > the
>> > > > >> >>> candidates in the bug report.
>> > > > >> >>>
>> > > > >> >>> It seems like I am able to sit in one OpenMeetings room from
>> two
>> > > > tabs
>> > > > >> of
>> > > > >> >>> the same browser as well as play youtube videos at the same
>> > > moment.
>> > > > >> >>> For me, the problems appear when I am trying to enter two
>> > > different
>> > > > >> rooms
>> > > > >> >>> in the same browser at the moment.
>> > > > >> >>>
>> > > > >> >>> Regards,
>> > > > >> >>> Irina.
>> > > > >> >>>
>> > > > >> >>>
>> > > > >> >>> On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 4:50 PM, Artyom Horuzhenko <
>> > > > akhor666@gmail.com
>> > > > >> >>> >wrote:
>> > > > >> >>>
>> > > > >> >>> > Video/audio SIP integration has never been a part of
>> > > Openmeetings
>> > > > >> (as I
>> > > > >> >>> > know);
>> > > > >> >>> > Recordings didn't work before release, it's not new in
>> 2.1.1;
>> > > > >> >>> > There are troubles with recent version of Adobe Flash in
>> 2.1,
>> > > it's
>> > > > >> not
>> > > > >> >>> new
>> > > > >> >>> > too
>> > > > >> >>> >
>> > > > >> >>> > 2013/6/24 Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
>> > > > >> >>> >
>> > > > >> >>> > > Artyom,
>> > > > >> >>> > > I have updated the release notes with your input, and
>> > > additional
>> > > > >> input
>> > > > >> >>> > > from Irina.
>> > > > >> >>> > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > ---
>> > > > >> >>> > > Video/audio SIP integration is no longer a part of Apache
>> > > > release.
>> > > > >> >>> > > Check free red5sip product for this integration.
>> > > > >> >>> > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > We also introduced reliability testing for this release
>> > > (great
>> > > > >> job,
>> > > > >> >>> > > Vasily Degtyarev!). For 1 hour long conferences the
>> > following
>> > > > does
>> > > > >> not
>> > > > >> >>> > > work with Openmeetings 2.1.1:
>> > > > >> >>> > > * Recordigs
>> > > > >> >>> > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-669
>> > > > >> >>> > > * Recent version with Adobe Flash (please downgrade to
>> 11.5
>> > > > >> version)
>> > > > >> >>> > > https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=885188
>> > > > >> >>> > > * Multi-tabbing (no other flash application should be
>> > running
>> > > in
>> > > > >> >>> > > different browsers or tabs)
>> > > > >> >>> > > ---
>> > > > >> >>> > >
>> > > > >> >>> > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > --
>> > > > >> >>> > > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
>> > > > >> >>> > > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
>> > > > >> >>> > > http://dataved.ru/
>> > > > >> >>> > > +7 916 562 8095
>> > > > >> >>> > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today,
>> > > > >> >>> > http://openmeetings.apache.org/
>> > > > >> >>> > > [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin,
>> > > > >> http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
>> > > > >> >>> > > [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook,
>> > > > >> >>> http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
>> > > > >> >>> > >
>> > > > >> >>> > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Artyom Horuzhenko <
>> > > > >> >>> akhor666@gmail.com>
>> > > > >> >>> > > wrote:
>> > > > >> >>> > > > Alexei, we shouldn't worry about sip integeration in our
>> > > > releases
>> > > > >> >>> until
>> > > > >> >>> > > > red5sip is not an Openmeetings part. For example, let's
>> > > > imagine
>> > > > >> if
>> > > > >> >>> > Linux
>> > > > >> >>> > > > developers say: "We can't release new kernel because
>> > > > OpenOffice
>> > > > >> has
>> > > > >> >>> > > various
>> > > > >> >>> > > > document rendering bugs". And Adobe Flash is not good
>> > > example
>> > > > >> because
>> > > > >> >>> > > > Openmeetings uses flash, but red5sip uses Openmeetings
>> to
>> > > > provide
>> > > > >> >>> voip
>> > > > >> >>> > > > integration; all sip audio/video troubles are not cause
>> of
>> > > > >> >>> Openmeetings
>> > > > >> >>> > > > bugs.
>> > > > >> >>> > > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > > 2013/6/24 Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> I'm constantly getting enlightened by many people that
>> > > > red4sip
>> > > > >> is
>> > > > >> >>> not
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> a part of Openmeetings. I'm well aware of that fact.
>> :-)
>> > > > Adobe
>> > > > >> Flash
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> is not a part of Openmeetings as well, and cause us the
>> > > > problems
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> anyway.
>> > > > >> >>> > > >>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> If you program does not run on Linux, release notes
>> > should
>> > > > say,
>> > > > >> >>> "does
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> not run on Linux". IMHO, it's important to reference
>> > > > ecosystem
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> requirements in release notes.
>> > > > >> >>> > > >>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> --
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> http://dataved.ru/
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> +7 916 562 8095
>> > > > >> >>> > > >>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today,
>> > > > >> >>> > > http://openmeetings.apache.org/
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin,
>> > > > >> >>> http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook,
>> > > > >> >>> > http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
>> > > > >> >>> > > >>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Alexei Fedotov
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> <al...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > The previous release was an important step for us, we
>> > > > >> graduated.
>> > > > >> >>> > Right
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > now we should restore original "release" meaning by
>> > > > >> establishing
>> > > > >> >>> the
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > quality. There are two steps in establishing the
>> > quality.
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > 1. Define the quality. Vasily did a good job here.
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > 2. Improving the quality. Here we can improve more.
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > I want release notes being correct and agreed with
>> > > > >> participants.
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > Taking Artyom comment into account, I wrote the
>> > following
>> > > > >> attempt
>> > > > >> >>> of
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > release notes.
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > The following no longer works with Openmeetings 2.1.1
>> > > (for
>> > > > 1
>> > > > >> hour
>> > > > >> >>> > long
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > conferences)
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > * Recordigs
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > * Recent version with Adobe Flash (please downgrade
>> to
>> > > 11.5
>> > > > >> >>> version)
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > * Multi-tabbing (no other flash application should be
>> > > > running
>> > > > >> in
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > different browsers or tabs)
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > * Video/audio SIP integration (because it requires
>> > > another
>> > > > >> program
>> > > > >> >>> > we
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > don't want to mention anymore)
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > Vasily, could you please help adding bug numbers to
>> > each
>> > > > >> line of
>> > > > >> >>> > the
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> notes?
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > The last item intentionally has a weird explanation,
>> > but
>> > > > >> that's
>> > > > >> >>> > what I
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > get from Artyom's letter. Artyom, could you please
>> > > correct
>> > > > the
>> > > > >> >>> last
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > item in a way you think correctly reflects the state
>> of
>> > > SIP
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > integration?
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > I think we can ship release with reflected problems,
>> > this
>> > > > may
>> > > > >> help
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > users not to seek things they won't get. With these
>> > > release
>> > > > >> notes
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > (improved with bug references and corrections) the
>> > > release
>> > > > >> gets my
>> > > > >> >>> > +1.
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > --
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > http://dataved.ru/
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > +7 916 562 8095
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today,
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> http://openmeetings.apache.org/
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin,
>> > > > >> >>> > http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook,
>> > > > >> >>> > > http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 2:17 AM,
>> seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> > <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> I think Artyom is right. Red5Sip is not the scope of
>> > the
>> > > > >> >>> > OpenMeetings
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> project.
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> Me might discuss on how we can make it the scope, if
>> > we
>> > > > are
>> > > > >> able
>> > > > >> >>> to
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> create
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> an Incubator project around Red5Sip.
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> I think for the end user this discussion (scope or
>> > not)
>> > > > is a
>> > > > >> >>> rather
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> esoteric discussion as they are simply interested
>> in a
>> > > > >> working
>> > > > >> >>> > > product.
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> However for the release, Artyom & Alexei, you are
>> both
>> > > PMC
>> > > > >> >>> members,
>> > > > >> >>> > > have
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> you an opinion about the 2.1.1 release?
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> Thanks,
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> Sebastian
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> 2013/6/24 Artyom Horuzhenko <ak...@gmail.com>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> Hello Alexei,
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> I've just changed sip integration instruction a
>> > little
>> > > by
>> > > > >> adding
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> denoise
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> and dsp_drop_silence attributes and removed silent
>> > > > >> detection in
>> > > > >> >>> > > red5sip
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> because there were some problems with it. I think
>> we
>> > > > >> shouldn't
>> > > > >> >>> > > include
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> any
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> information about red5sip improvement into
>> > Openmeetings
>> > > > >> release
>> > > > >> >>> > > notes
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> because red5sip is another application.
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> 2013/6/23 Alexei Fedotov <alexei.fedotov@gmail.com
>> >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > Sebastian, I have tested audio SIP integration by
>> > > using
>> > > > >> SIP
>> > > > >> >>> > bridge
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> for
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > my own conferences. As a result, Artyom found out
>> > > that
>> > > > >> >>> disabling
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > jitter-buffer in the Asterisk configuration
>> > improves
>> > > > >> audio.
>> > > > >> >>> > > Artyom,
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > where one can find your findings on the Apache
>> web
>> > > > site?
>> > > > >> Does
>> > > > >> >>> it
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> worth
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > reflecting this in release notes?
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > --
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > http://dataved.ru/
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > +7 916 562 8095
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today,
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> http://openmeetings.apache.org/
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin,
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook,
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 7:09 AM,
>> > > seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > We have 3 +1 votes from PMCs. So in theory it
>> is
>> > > > >> possible.
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > However it would be good if there is some more
>> > > > feedback
>> > > > >> in
>> > > > >> >>> the
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> community
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > about that release.
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > Anybody else has been testing this release?
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > Sebastian
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > 2013/6/22 Maxim Solodovnik <
>> solomax666@gmail.com
>> > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> I believe we should release rc1.
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> @Sebastian can you publish and announce the
>> > > release?
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> BTW I did paragliding from ~2300 meters in
>> > Turkey
>> > > > with
>> > > > >> >>> > > instructor
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> and
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > sky
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> acrobatics :) it was really amazing! :)
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> On Jun 22, 2013 3:36 AM, "
>> seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> > "
>> > > <
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> wrote:
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > I could only find one minor issue:
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
>> > > > >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-681
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > I think that is still good to go out as a
>> > > release.
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > +1
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > Sebastian
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > 2013/6/22 seba.wagner@gmail.com <
>> > > > >> seba.wagner@gmail.com>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > I am sorry for the delay.
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > The vote is now actually outdated.
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > Shall we restart the vote process for
>> 2.1.1
>> > ?
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > Sebastian
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > 2013/6/10 seba.wagner@gmail.com <
>> > > > >> seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> > > > >> >>> >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > Release vote happens on dev list, never on
>> > > > private.
>> > > > >> >>> > Please
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> vote on
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > dev,
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > as
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> the link to the dev list will be what we
>> > > > publish
>> > > > >> as a
>> > > > >> >>> > > result
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> of
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> the
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > vote.
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> I am sorry but I can't test before next
>> > week
>> > > > as I
>> > > > >> >>> don't
>> > > > >> >>> > > have
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> a
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> Internet
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> connection good enough while I travel
>> > abroad.
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> Thanks,
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> Sebastian
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> 2013/6/8 Maxim Solodovnik <
>> > > > solomax666@gmail.com>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Dear OpenMeetings Community,
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> I would like to start a vote about
>> > releasing
>> > > > >> Apache
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> OpenMeetings
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> 2.1.1
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> RC1
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Main changes are covered in the
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Readme:
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>>
>> > > > >> >>>
>> > http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/2.1.1RC1/README
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Full Changelog:
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> >
>> > > > >> >>> > >
>> > > > >>
>> > http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/2.1.1RC1/CHANGELOG
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Release artifacts:
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >>
>> > > > https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openmeetings/2.1.1/rc1/
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Tag:
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>>
>> > > > http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/2.1.1RC1/
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> PGP release keys (signed using
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> C467526E):
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> >
>> > > > >> >>> > >
>> > > > https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openmeetings/2.1.1/rc1/KEYS
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Vote will be open for 72 hours.
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> [ ] +1 approve
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> [ ] +0 no opinion
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> [ ] -1 disapprove (and reason why)
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> My vote is +1.
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> --
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> WBR
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Maxim aka solomax
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> --
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> Sebastian Wagner
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> http://www.webbase-design.de
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > --
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > Sebastian Wagner
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > http://www.webbase-design.de
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > --
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > Sebastian Wagner
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > http://www.webbase-design.de
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > --
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > Sebastian Wagner
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > http://www.webbase-design.de
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> --
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> Sebastian Wagner
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> http://www.webbase-design.de
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> > > > >> >>> > > >>
>> > > > >> >>> > >
>> > > > >> >>> >
>> > > > >> >>>
>> > > > >> >>
>> > > > >> >>
>> > > > >> >>
>> > > > >> >> --
>> > > > >> >> Sebastian Wagner
>> > > > >> >> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>> > > > >> >> http://www.webbase-design.de
>> > > > >> >> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>> > > > >> >> seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > --
>> > > > > Sebastian Wagner
>> > > > > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>> > > > > http://www.webbase-design.de
>> > > > > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>> > > > > seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Sebastian Wagner
>> > > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>> > > http://www.webbase-design.de
>> > > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>> > > seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > WBR
>> > Maxim aka solomax
>> >
>>
>
>
>
> --
> WBR
> Maxim aka solomax
Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenMeetings 2.1.1 Release Candidate 1
Posted by "seba.wagner@gmail.com" <se...@gmail.com>.
So the request would be to put it in README and make a new package, right?
There has been somebody committing changes to the 2.1 branch.
@Artyom: You have been committing changes to the 2.1 branch that will now
subsequently be part of any new RC candidate.
Namely:
http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?view=revision&revision=1496776[OPENMEETINGS-687]
and
http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?view=revision&revision=1498438 [no Jira]
(at least that are all changes that happened in that branch as far as I can
judge).
So we need to re-test and verify the new RC 2 for the version 2.1.1 as its
not just a change in the README it is more then that.
And the Release notes need to be updated with the addition of
OPENMEETINGS-687.
And something about the "remotelog.upload":
By viewing at the source code I discovered that there is no sessionId check
in the servlet request (see UploadController.java around line 144).
I would suggest adding the sessionId into the Post parameters and check
that the request really comes from a valid user session.
Cause actually aynbody that know the URL:
http://demo.dataved.ru/openmeetings/remote.upload
and knows that it will expect a single Post parameter with the name
"message" can write _whatever_ content he likes to our log files, for
example flood the server with log messages. So potentially when he is using
the max_post_size he can write the disk full in a couple of minutes and the
OpenMeetings server is dead.
>From my point of view it would make sense to simply pass the sessionid with
the request, as with every other request, and verify that the sessionId
belongs to a valid user session with ever request to that method.
Thanks,
Sebastian
2013/7/2 Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
> I think README is ok.
>
> --
> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> http://dataved.ru/
> +7 916 562 8095
>
> [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today, http://openmeetings.apache.org/
> [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin, http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
> [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook, http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Should it be in NOTES or README or both?
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 4:08 PM, Alexei Fedotov <
> alexei.fedotov@gmail.com>wrote:
> >
> >> Are there any objections to the following text?
> >>
> >> ---
> >> Video/audio SIP integration is no longer a part of Apache release.
> >> Check free red5sip product for this integration.
> >>
> >> We also introduced reliability testing for this release (great job,
> >> Vasily Degtyarev!) For 1 hour long conferences the following does not
> >> work with Openmeetings 2.1.1:
> >> * Recordigs
> >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-669
> >> * Recent version with Adobe Flash (please downgrade to 11.5 version)
> >> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=885188
> >> * Multi-tabbing (no other flash application should be running in
> >> different browsers or tabs)
> >> ---
> >> 26.06.2013 12:17 пользователь "Maxim Solodovnik" <so...@gmail.com>
> >> написал:
> >>
> >> > @Alexei, I believe red5sip issues should not affect OM release cycle.
> >> >
> >> > I was planning to release 2.1.1RC1.
> >> > Please let me know if RC2 should be packed. (I see no need for this
> right
> >> > now)
> >> >
> >> > In case README and/or NOTICE need to be changed I would really
> appreciate
> >> > if anybody will send me the new text.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 3:15 PM, seba.wagner@gmail.com <
> >> > seba.wagner@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > I know from the past that you have been not allowed to use the same
> >> > device
> >> > > in multiple Flash Applications at the same time.
> >> > > In the past it was for example even like that:
> >> > > If a microphone or camera device was taken, the Flash Plagin
> >> *magically*
> >> > > knew it and any further request to Microphone.get(); would return a
> >> list
> >> > of
> >> > > Microphone _except_ the one that is already in use.
> >> > >
> >> > > So what I can confirm is: There have been problems already in the
> past
> >> > > where you could not use the same Microphone in multiple Flash
> >> > Applications
> >> > > on the same device (no matter if you do that in multiple tabs or in
> IE
> >> > and
> >> > > Firefox).
> >> > >
> >> > > A general rule is: Only one application at a time should access the
> >> > > Microphone (or Camera). For instance: Skype and OpenMeetings should
> not
> >> > run
> >> > > parallel and both use the Microphone at the same time (an exception
> >> might
> >> > > be if you really have two microphone devices physically with two
> >> > separated
> >> > > drivers et cetera).
> >> > >
> >> > > But I always thought that would be more like a common knowledge, its
> >> > > actually true for any kind of Video-Conferencing or WebChat
> >> application,
> >> > > not even for browser or Flash related applications: Only one
> >> application
> >> > at
> >> > > the same time should use Microphone or Camera.
> >> > >
> >> > > Sebastian
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > 2013/6/25 Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
> >> > >
> >> > > > Sebastian,
> >> > > >
> >> > > > My best guess about multi-tabs root cause is un-synchronized
> access
> >> to
> >> > > > video/audio coding internals (decoding works well) and inside
> Flash
> >> > > > and device drivers. This makes crashes unpredictable.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > --
> >> > > > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> >> > > > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> >> > > > http://dataved.ru/
> >> > > > +7 916 562 8095
> >> > > >
> >> > > > [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today,
> >> > > http://openmeetings.apache.org/
> >> > > > [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin,
> >> http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
> >> > > > [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook,
> >> > http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 4:58 AM, seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >> > > > <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > > > * Multi-tabbing (no other flash application should be running in
> >> > > > different
> >> > > > > browsers or tabs)*
> >> > > > > "This is a well-known problem with Flash on Linux"
> >> > > > > => Then the sentence might be more like:
> >> > > > > " Running multiple instance of OpenMeetings or Flash
> applications
> >> on
> >> > > > Linux
> >> > > > > can cause issues with the stability of the Flash Plugin"
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > My problem is more the general approach of all those release
> notes.
> >> > > > > You generally say: Usage of multiple tabs is forbidden, while
> the
> >> > > actual
> >> > > > > use case is much more specific.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Same for recordings, the documented use cases is fairly more
> >> detailed
> >> > > > then
> >> > > > > the Release Notes indicate.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Do you have a proposal for those Release Notes that would
> reflect
> >> > more
> >> > > > the
> >> > > > > detailed level of discussion that we have done now?
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Thanks,
> >> > > > > Sebastian
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > 2013/6/25 Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >> That was intended to be one sentence, (it is broken in the
> text)
> >> > > > >>
> >> > > > >> > For those who don't trust, let's try a recording session
> online
> >> > and
> >> > > > >> check.
> >> > > > >> --
> >> > > > >> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> >> > > > >> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> >> > > > >> http://dataved.ru/
> >> > > > >> +7 916 562 8095
> >> > > > >>
> >> > > > >> [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today,
> >> > > > http://openmeetings.apache.org/
> >> > > > >> [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin,
> >> > http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
> >> > > > >> [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook,
> >> > > http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
> >> > > > >>
> >> > > > >>
> >> > > > >> On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Alexei Fedotov
> >> > > > >> <al...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > > >> > Artyom,
> >> > > > >> > release notes are written for a user. Imagine you are one.
> Notes
> >> > > > >> > should help you and tell
> >> > > > >> > you that despite openmeetings.apache.org web site which
> >> mentions
> >> > > > >> > recordings they do not work for
> >> > > > >> > real conferences in 2.1.1. If you learn this by trial and
> error,
> >> > > > >> > it will take a lot of your time.
> >> > > > >> >
> >> > > > >> > Release notes are not intended to blame that someone breaks
> >> > > something.
> >> > > > >> > This is useless anyway because one can imagine the case when
> >> > > > >> > Openmeetings breaks by itself (and we
> >> > > > >> > get one with Adobe auto-updater).
> >> > > > >> >
> >> > > > >> > Sebastian,
> >> > > > >> > The bug about recordings is not that good in description,
> still
> >> > the
> >> > > > >> > problem exists. We do recordings several times per week, and
> >> soon
> >> > > > >> > locate the problem root cause more accurately. Vasily reports
> >> that
> >> > > > >> > generic recording session works for no longer than 20 minutes
> >> > > (longer
> >> > > > >> > recording sessions are rare exceptions).
> >> > > > >> > a recording session online and check. I myself did several
> in a
> >> > row.
> >> > > > >> > Taking into account the standard conference planning cycle
> is 1
> >> > > hour,
> >> > > > >> > I think 20 minutes is not sufficient.
> >> > > > >> >
> >> > > > >> > For those who don't trust, let's try. The "try it" approach
> >> > > magically
> >> > > > >> > worked for multi-tabs and Irina, we
> >> > > > >> > got a crash in few seconds. She seems much more convinced in
> her
> >> > > last
> >> > > > >> > letter, though this is only a part of the problem. Also
> >> > multi-tabbed
> >> > > > >> > openmeetings somehow corrupts windows microphone settings.
> >> > > > >> >
> >> > > > >> > As for memory consumption, locating a problem was more
> >> difficult,
> >> > > than
> >> > > > >> > to believe into it now. IMHO Adobe developers have leaks in
> >> codec
> >> > > > >> > implementations (eg releasing memory for some video frames),
> >> when
> >> > we
> >> > > > >> > do not free all resources explicitly (and cannot free
> >> system-deep
> >> > > > >> > resources). SIP integration has its own server resource leak,
> >> this
> >> > > one
> >> > > > >> > is unrelated.
> >> > > > >> >
> >> > > > >> > While I personally want having SIP among the features (and do
> >> test
> >> > > it
> >> > > > >> > several times a day), I'm ok with dropping it. Let's just
> >> reflect
> >> > > this
> >> > > > >> > drop in the last release notes. This is important because we
> >> > > announced
> >> > > > >> > SIP integration several times, and the last time was in
> March.
> >> > > > >> >
> >> > > > >> > I'm not +1 with shipping a release which misses reported
> >> features
> >> > > > >> > without a proper note, because this potentially makes
> customers
> >> > > > >> > unhappy.
> >> > > > >> >
> >> > > > >> > --
> >> > > > >> > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> >> > > > >> > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> >> > > > >> > http://dataved.ru/
> >> > > > >> > +7 916 562 8095
> >> > > > >> >
> >> > > > >> > [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today,
> >> > > > >> http://openmeetings.apache.org/
> >> > > > >> > [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin,
> >> > > http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
> >> > > > >> > [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook,
> >> > > > http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
> >> > > > >> >
> >> > > > >> >
> >> > > > >> > On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 3:08 PM, seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >> > > > >> > <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > > >> >> Hi there,
> >> > > > >> >>
> >> > > > >> >> regarding OPENMEETINGS-669
> >> > > > >> >> This has nothing todo with Release 2.1.1. I don't think it
> >> should
> >> > > be
> >> > > > a
> >> > > > >> note
> >> > > > >> >> in the release notes. The comment in the Jira ticket *I have
> >> > > retested
> >> > > > >> on OM
> >> > > > >> >> 3.0. Recording works without errors.*
> >> > > > >> >> => This error can potentially happen with any version of
> >> > > > OpenMeetings.
> >> > > > >> >> I can clarify the details of how and when this can happen,
> >> > however
> >> > > > the
> >> > > > >> root
> >> > > > >> >> cause of the issue is not any new introduced functionality
> of
> >> > > > >> OpenMeetings
> >> > > > >> >> 2.1.1 and it has _nothing_ todo with the length of the
> >> > recording. I
> >> > > > >> would
> >> > > > >> >> be very happy if there would be a concrete steps to
> reproduce
> >> the
> >> > > > issue
> >> > > > >> in
> >> > > > >> >> the Bug report.
> >> > > > >> >>
> >> > > > >> >> regarding
> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=885188
> >> > > > >> >> Does this bug happen also _without_ using the SIP
> integration?
> >> > > > >> >> Also the Bug report clearly states that the inital report
> has
> >> > > nothing
> >> > > > >> todo
> >> > > > >> >> with the second crash report in the ticket.
> >> > > > >> >> I doubt that downgrading Flash Player will change the memory
> >> > > > >> consumption,
> >> > > > >> >> however that is also just a theory. The same theory that the
> >> bug
> >> > > > report
> >> > > > >> >> asumes by saying *downgrading Flash solves the issue*. I
> don't
> >> > > think
> >> > > > >> that
> >> > > > >> >> there is a general request for *downgrade to 11.5 version*
> of
> >> > Flash
> >> > > > >> Player.
> >> > > > >> >> The bug report actually does not even mention which version
> >> > exactly
> >> > > > was
> >> > > > >> >> tested and identified as buggy. So which version of the
> Flash
> >> > > Player
> >> > > > was
> >> > > > >> >> this actually? And for instance which task exactly in the
> Flash
> >> > > > Player
> >> > > > >> has
> >> > > > >> >> the memory leak? It could be for instance also a problem
> with
> >> our
> >> > > > >> >> Audio/Video Codec configuration in the conference room or
> >> simply
> >> > a
> >> > > > >> problem
> >> > > > >> >> with the cam/microphone driver on that particular device.
> >> > > > >> >>
> >> > > > >> >> * Multi-tabbing (no other flash application should be
> running
> >> in
> >> > > > >> different
> >> > > > >> >> browsers or tabs)*
> >> > > > >> >> => I don't see any problem in running two instances of
> >> > OpenMeetings
> >> > > > >> next to
> >> > > > >> >> each other, I do that all the time for testing.
> >> > > > >> >> I don't think this Release Note should be added. What Irina
> >> > > mentions
> >> > > > is
> >> > > > >> a
> >> > > > >> >> specific use-case, but even that, I do that all the time
> >> without
> >> > > > >> issues. So
> >> > > > >> >> there might be a problem but creating now the general
> >> restriction
> >> > > to
> >> > > > >> have
> >> > > > >> >> only a single tab opened all the time and close everything
> else
> >> > > > seems a
> >> > > > >> bit
> >> > > > >> >> restricted. Maybe this phrase could be worded differently:
> >> > > > >> >> *Running multiple Flash Applications or OpenMeetings
> instances
> >> in
> >> > > > >> multiple
> >> > > > >> >> Tabs on the same device can lead to unexpected behaviour*
> >> > > > >> >>
> >> > > > >> >> regarding OPENMEETINGS-677, OPENMEETINGS-678
> >> > > > >> >> What is it that we mention this in the Release Notes?
> >> Integration
> >> > > of
> >> > > > >> >> SIP-Video is not on our list of current features. It would
> be a
> >> > > nice
> >> > > > >> >> feature, but why would you add it to the Release Notes if
> there
> >> > is
> >> > > an
> >> > > > >> issue
> >> > > > >> >> with it? It was not even announced yet that it would exist
> at
> >> > all?
> >> > > > >> >>
> >> > > > >> >> Thanks,
> >> > > > >> >> Sebastian
> >> > > > >> >>
> >> > > > >> >>
> >> > > > >> >>
> >> > > > >> >> 2013/6/24 Irina Arkhipets <ir...@gmail.com>
> >> > > > >> >>
> >> > > > >> >>> Hi All,
> >> > > > >> >>>
> >> > > > >> >>> Reharding the multi-tabbing:
> >> > > > >> >>>
> >> > > > >> >>> Here is a link to the crash report I've received recently
> >> when I
> >> > > > tried
> >> > > > >> to
> >> > > > >> >>> sit in two different OpenMeetings rooms in the tabs of the
> >> same
> >> > > > >> Mozilla FF
> >> > > > >> >>> browser:
> >> > > > >> >>>
> >> > > > >> >>>
> >> > > > >>
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/c448bb3d-18ef-45f6-aa66-7d8492130624
> >> > > > >> >>>
> >> > > > >> >>> It looks like some known bug in the flash player: see the
> list
> >> > of
> >> > > > the
> >> > > > >> >>> candidates in the bug report.
> >> > > > >> >>>
> >> > > > >> >>> It seems like I am able to sit in one OpenMeetings room
> from
> >> two
> >> > > > tabs
> >> > > > >> of
> >> > > > >> >>> the same browser as well as play youtube videos at the same
> >> > > moment.
> >> > > > >> >>> For me, the problems appear when I am trying to enter two
> >> > > different
> >> > > > >> rooms
> >> > > > >> >>> in the same browser at the moment.
> >> > > > >> >>>
> >> > > > >> >>> Regards,
> >> > > > >> >>> Irina.
> >> > > > >> >>>
> >> > > > >> >>>
> >> > > > >> >>> On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 4:50 PM, Artyom Horuzhenko <
> >> > > > akhor666@gmail.com
> >> > > > >> >>> >wrote:
> >> > > > >> >>>
> >> > > > >> >>> > Video/audio SIP integration has never been a part of
> >> > > Openmeetings
> >> > > > >> (as I
> >> > > > >> >>> > know);
> >> > > > >> >>> > Recordings didn't work before release, it's not new in
> >> 2.1.1;
> >> > > > >> >>> > There are troubles with recent version of Adobe Flash in
> >> 2.1,
> >> > > it's
> >> > > > >> not
> >> > > > >> >>> new
> >> > > > >> >>> > too
> >> > > > >> >>> >
> >> > > > >> >>> > 2013/6/24 Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
> >> > > > >> >>> >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > Artyom,
> >> > > > >> >>> > > I have updated the release notes with your input, and
> >> > > additional
> >> > > > >> input
> >> > > > >> >>> > > from Irina.
> >> > > > >> >>> > >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > ---
> >> > > > >> >>> > > Video/audio SIP integration is no longer a part of
> Apache
> >> > > > release.
> >> > > > >> >>> > > Check free red5sip product for this integration.
> >> > > > >> >>> > >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > We also introduced reliability testing for this
> release
> >> > > (great
> >> > > > >> job,
> >> > > > >> >>> > > Vasily Degtyarev!). For 1 hour long conferences the
> >> > following
> >> > > > does
> >> > > > >> not
> >> > > > >> >>> > > work with Openmeetings 2.1.1:
> >> > > > >> >>> > > * Recordigs
> >> > > > >> >>> > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-669
> >> > > > >> >>> > > * Recent version with Adobe Flash (please downgrade to
> >> 11.5
> >> > > > >> version)
> >> > > > >> >>> > > https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=885188
> >> > > > >> >>> > > * Multi-tabbing (no other flash application should be
> >> > running
> >> > > in
> >> > > > >> >>> > > different browsers or tabs)
> >> > > > >> >>> > > ---
> >> > > > >> >>> > >
> >> > > > >> >>> > >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > --
> >> > > > >> >>> > > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> >> > > > >> >>> > > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> >> > > > >> >>> > > http://dataved.ru/
> >> > > > >> >>> > > +7 916 562 8095
> >> > > > >> >>> > >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today,
> >> > > > >> >>> > http://openmeetings.apache.org/
> >> > > > >> >>> > > [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin,
> >> > > > >> http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
> >> > > > >> >>> > > [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook,
> >> > > > >> >>> http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
> >> > > > >> >>> > >
> >> > > > >> >>> > >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Artyom Horuzhenko <
> >> > > > >> >>> akhor666@gmail.com>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > wrote:
> >> > > > >> >>> > > > Alexei, we shouldn't worry about sip integeration in
> our
> >> > > > releases
> >> > > > >> >>> until
> >> > > > >> >>> > > > red5sip is not an Openmeetings part. For example,
> let's
> >> > > > imagine
> >> > > > >> if
> >> > > > >> >>> > Linux
> >> > > > >> >>> > > > developers say: "We can't release new kernel because
> >> > > > OpenOffice
> >> > > > >> has
> >> > > > >> >>> > > various
> >> > > > >> >>> > > > document rendering bugs". And Adobe Flash is not good
> >> > > example
> >> > > > >> because
> >> > > > >> >>> > > > Openmeetings uses flash, but red5sip uses
> Openmeetings
> >> to
> >> > > > provide
> >> > > > >> >>> voip
> >> > > > >> >>> > > > integration; all sip audio/video troubles are not
> cause
> >> of
> >> > > > >> >>> Openmeetings
> >> > > > >> >>> > > > bugs.
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > > 2013/6/24 Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> I'm constantly getting enlightened by many people
> that
> >> > > > red4sip
> >> > > > >> is
> >> > > > >> >>> not
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> a part of Openmeetings. I'm well aware of that fact.
> >> :-)
> >> > > > Adobe
> >> > > > >> Flash
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> is not a part of Openmeetings as well, and cause us
> the
> >> > > > problems
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> anyway.
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> If you program does not run on Linux, release notes
> >> > should
> >> > > > say,
> >> > > > >> >>> "does
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> not run on Linux". IMHO, it's important to reference
> >> > > > ecosystem
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> requirements in release notes.
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> --
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> http://dataved.ru/
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> +7 916 562 8095
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today,
> >> > > > >> >>> > > http://openmeetings.apache.org/
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin,
> >> > > > >> >>> http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook,
> >> > > > >> >>> > http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Alexei Fedotov
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> <al...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> > The previous release was an important step for
> us, we
> >> > > > >> graduated.
> >> > > > >> >>> > Right
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> > now we should restore original "release" meaning
> by
> >> > > > >> establishing
> >> > > > >> >>> the
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> > quality. There are two steps in establishing the
> >> > quality.
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> > 1. Define the quality. Vasily did a good job here.
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> > 2. Improving the quality. Here we can improve
> more.
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> > I want release notes being correct and agreed with
> >> > > > >> participants.
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> > Taking Artyom comment into account, I wrote the
> >> > following
> >> > > > >> attempt
> >> > > > >> >>> of
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> > release notes.
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> > The following no longer works with Openmeetings
> 2.1.1
> >> > > (for
> >> > > > 1
> >> > > > >> hour
> >> > > > >> >>> > long
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> > conferences)
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> > * Recordigs
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> > * Recent version with Adobe Flash (please
> downgrade
> >> to
> >> > > 11.5
> >> > > > >> >>> version)
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> > * Multi-tabbing (no other flash application
> should be
> >> > > > running
> >> > > > >> in
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> > different browsers or tabs)
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> > * Video/audio SIP integration (because it requires
> >> > > another
> >> > > > >> program
> >> > > > >> >>> > we
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> > don't want to mention anymore)
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> > Vasily, could you please help adding bug numbers
> to
> >> > each
> >> > > > >> line of
> >> > > > >> >>> > the
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> notes?
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> > The last item intentionally has a weird
> explanation,
> >> > but
> >> > > > >> that's
> >> > > > >> >>> > what I
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> > get from Artyom's letter. Artyom, could you please
> >> > > correct
> >> > > > the
> >> > > > >> >>> last
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> > item in a way you think correctly reflects the
> state
> >> of
> >> > > SIP
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> > integration?
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> > I think we can ship release with reflected
> problems,
> >> > this
> >> > > > may
> >> > > > >> help
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> > users not to seek things they won't get. With
> these
> >> > > release
> >> > > > >> notes
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> > (improved with bug references and corrections) the
> >> > > release
> >> > > > >> gets my
> >> > > > >> >>> > +1.
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> > --
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> > http://dataved.ru/
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> > +7 916 562 8095
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> > [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today,
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> http://openmeetings.apache.org/
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> > [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin,
> >> > > > >> >>> > http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> > [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook,
> >> > > > >> >>> > > http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> > On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 2:17 AM,
> >> seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> > <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> I think Artyom is right. Red5Sip is not the
> scope of
> >> > the
> >> > > > >> >>> > OpenMeetings
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> project.
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> Me might discuss on how we can make it the
> scope, if
> >> > we
> >> > > > are
> >> > > > >> able
> >> > > > >> >>> to
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> create
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> an Incubator project around Red5Sip.
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> I think for the end user this discussion (scope
> or
> >> > not)
> >> > > > is a
> >> > > > >> >>> rather
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> esoteric discussion as they are simply interested
> >> in a
> >> > > > >> working
> >> > > > >> >>> > > product.
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> However for the release, Artyom & Alexei, you are
> >> both
> >> > > PMC
> >> > > > >> >>> members,
> >> > > > >> >>> > > have
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> you an opinion about the 2.1.1 release?
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> Thanks,
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> Sebastian
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> 2013/6/24 Artyom Horuzhenko <ak...@gmail.com>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> Hello Alexei,
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> I've just changed sip integration instruction a
> >> > little
> >> > > by
> >> > > > >> adding
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> denoise
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> and dsp_drop_silence attributes and removed
> silent
> >> > > > >> detection in
> >> > > > >> >>> > > red5sip
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> because there were some problems with it. I
> think
> >> we
> >> > > > >> shouldn't
> >> > > > >> >>> > > include
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> any
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> information about red5sip improvement into
> >> > Openmeetings
> >> > > > >> release
> >> > > > >> >>> > > notes
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> because red5sip is another application.
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> 2013/6/23 Alexei Fedotov <
> alexei.fedotov@gmail.com
> >> >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > Sebastian, I have tested audio SIP
> integration by
> >> > > using
> >> > > > >> SIP
> >> > > > >> >>> > bridge
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> for
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > my own conferences. As a result, Artyom found
> out
> >> > > that
> >> > > > >> >>> disabling
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > jitter-buffer in the Asterisk configuration
> >> > improves
> >> > > > >> audio.
> >> > > > >> >>> > > Artyom,
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > where one can find your findings on the Apache
> >> web
> >> > > > site?
> >> > > > >> Does
> >> > > > >> >>> it
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> worth
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > reflecting this in release notes?
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > --
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > http://dataved.ru/
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > +7 916 562 8095
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > [1] Start using Apache Openmeetings today,
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> http://openmeetings.apache.org/
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin,
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > [3] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook,
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 7:09 AM,
> >> > > seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > We have 3 +1 votes from PMCs. So in theory
> it
> >> is
> >> > > > >> possible.
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > However it would be good if there is some
> more
> >> > > > feedback
> >> > > > >> in
> >> > > > >> >>> the
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> community
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > about that release.
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > Anybody else has been testing this release?
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > Sebastian
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > 2013/6/22 Maxim Solodovnik <
> >> solomax666@gmail.com
> >> > >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> I believe we should release rc1.
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> @Sebastian can you publish and announce the
> >> > > release?
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> BTW I did paragliding from ~2300 meters in
> >> > Turkey
> >> > > > with
> >> > > > >> >>> > > instructor
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> and
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > sky
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> acrobatics :) it was really amazing! :)
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> On Jun 22, 2013 3:36 AM, "
> >> seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >> > "
> >> > > <
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> wrote:
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > I could only find one minor issue:
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
> >> > > > >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-681
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > I think that is still good to go out as a
> >> > > release.
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > +1
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > Sebastian
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > 2013/6/22 seba.wagner@gmail.com <
> >> > > > >> seba.wagner@gmail.com>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > I am sorry for the delay.
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > The vote is now actually outdated.
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > Shall we restart the vote process for
> >> 2.1.1
> >> > ?
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > Sebastian
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > 2013/6/10 seba.wagner@gmail.com <
> >> > > > >> seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >> > > > >> >>> >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > Release vote happens on dev list,
> never on
> >> > > > private.
> >> > > > >> >>> > Please
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> vote on
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > dev,
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > as
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> the link to the dev list will be what
> we
> >> > > > publish
> >> > > > >> as a
> >> > > > >> >>> > > result
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> of
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> the
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > vote.
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> I am sorry but I can't test before
> next
> >> > week
> >> > > > as I
> >> > > > >> >>> don't
> >> > > > >> >>> > > have
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> a
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> Internet
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> connection good enough while I travel
> >> > abroad.
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> Thanks,
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> Sebastian
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> 2013/6/8 Maxim Solodovnik <
> >> > > > solomax666@gmail.com>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Dear OpenMeetings Community,
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> I would like to start a vote about
> >> > releasing
> >> > > > >> Apache
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> OpenMeetings
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> 2.1.1
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> RC1
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Main changes are covered in the
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Readme:
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>>
> >> > > > >> >>>
> >> > http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/2.1.1RC1/README
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Full Changelog:
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> >
> >> > > > >> >>> > >
> >> > > > >>
> >> > http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/2.1.1RC1/CHANGELOG
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Release artifacts:
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >>
> >> > > > https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openmeetings/2.1.1/rc1/
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Tag:
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>>
> >> > > > http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/2.1.1RC1/
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> PGP release keys (signed using
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> C467526E):
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> >
> >> > > > >> >>> > >
> >> > > >
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openmeetings/2.1.1/rc1/KEYS
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Vote will be open for 72 hours.
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> [ ] +1 approve
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> [ ] +0 no opinion
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> [ ] -1 disapprove (and reason why)
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> My vote is +1.
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> --
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> WBR
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>> Maxim aka solomax
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> --
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> Sebastian Wagner
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> http://www.webbase-design.de
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >> seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > --
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > Sebastian Wagner
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > http://www.webbase-design.de
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > > seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > --
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > Sebastian Wagner
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > http://www.webbase-design.de
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > --
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > Sebastian Wagner
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > http://www.webbase-design.de
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> >
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> --
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> Sebastian Wagner
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> http://www.webbase-design.de
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >> seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >> > > > >> >>> > > >>
> >> > > > >> >>> > >
> >> > > > >> >>> >
> >> > > > >> >>>
> >> > > > >> >>
> >> > > > >> >>
> >> > > > >> >>
> >> > > > >> >> --
> >> > > > >> >> Sebastian Wagner
> >> > > > >> >> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> >> > > > >> >> http://www.webbase-design.de
> >> > > > >> >> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> >> > > > >> >> seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >> > > > >>
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > --
> >> > > > > Sebastian Wagner
> >> > > > > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> >> > > > > http://www.webbase-design.de
> >> > > > > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> >> > > > > seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > --
> >> > > Sebastian Wagner
> >> > > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> >> > > http://www.webbase-design.de
> >> > > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> >> > > seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > WBR
> >> > Maxim aka solomax
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > WBR
> > Maxim aka solomax
>
--
Sebastian Wagner
https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
http://www.webbase-design.de
http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
seba.wagner@gmail.com