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Posted to users@openoffice.apache.org by "Anthony J. Rudgers" <an...@att.net> on 2014/01/05 04:59:31 UTC
Re: All essay text turned to hashtags--commentary
Greetings All!
The present "hashtag" problem is is symptomatic of the entire OO software
suite. An ordinary user of OO, doing ordinary things w/ a word processor or
other office-suite software, suddenly gets something that is really screwy,
& doesn't know what to do to fix it. Much of their production gets lost, or
else, they spend a lot of time attempting to get their WP document or
spreadsheet the way they want it by trying again & again to get around
built-in or default features (or bugs!) of OO that they don't understand or
know how to modify (& OO documentation, as I have found, is meager &
inadequate). Unless you're a long-time & dedicated user, the OO suite never
seems to do quite what you'd like it to do & you usually can't figure out
how to fix things ON YOUR OWN COMPUTER W/ YOUR EXISTING SOFTWARE. One has
to have the ability to fix things quickly on their own w/o "going to the
experts" every time a problem w/ OO arises! For the casual user, the OO
product appears flawed. People who use any software product want to spend
their time & creativity on what they are developing, rather than spending
time & effort on issues associated w/ the tool they are using to develop it.
OO office software needs much effort to make it more efficient, largely
error-free, & much more user friendly.
Beat wishes,
Anthony J. Rudgers
Orlando, FL U.S.A.
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From: Gary Frost
Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 8:26 PM
To: users@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Re: All essay text turned to hashtags
Maybe, I'm an anomaly here, but I've never had any of these issues at all.
Generally, I work on a MacBook Air with the current up to date OS. I do also
create PDFs so that I can work on documents on my iPhone in Pages. Using the
iPhone is usefully for last minute work for me.
I've thought about good version options for other iOS devices such as the
iPad Air which I intend to purchase. I work scrips and other technical
documents so it is essential for me to use best practices to prevent loss of
work.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jan 4, 2014, at 5:15 PM, Alan Cliffe <dr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> I don't know if it can be retrieved; for whatever it's worth, I've had
> that happen too once or twice so now I always create a PDF copy of
> everything I do in OO.
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: natalie guttridge <na...@hotmail.co.uk>
> To: "users@openoffice.apache.org" <us...@openoffice.apache.org>
> Sent: Saturday, January 4, 2014 8:04 AM
> Subject: All essay text turned to hashtags
>
>
> Please help
> My daughter has written a 2000 word essay. She saved it and then when she
> opened it again the whole text has turned into hashtags...can anything be
> done?
> Regards
> Natalie
>
> Sent from my iPad
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Re: All essay text turned to hashtags--commentary
Posted by Martin Groenescheij <Ma...@Groenescheij.COM>.
On 5-1-2014 23:23, Rory O'Farrell wrote:
> The question should be asked "When does OpenOffice erase the previous copy of the file?". Surely this should only be after the Save process reaches a conclusion. I can recollect from my CP/M days that one had to adopt a certain sequence in saving a file for best security. One saved the file to File.new (say), then renamed File.org to File.bak then renamed File.new to File.org. Is this or a similar protocol being followed in OO? Perhaps some temporary relief can be obtained by changing the options in OpenOffice to_always_ generate a backup.
What happens with the backup when you work on a writer and a calc
document e.g. test.odt and test.ods?
I have no idea if test.bak is a writer or a calc document.
What will happen if both backups are made at the same time, would they
corrupt the backup file?
Could something similar happen with auto recovery files?
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Re: All essay text turned to hashtags--commentary
Posted by Rima Schulkind <ri...@schulkind.com>.
Despite my fear of being considered too dumb to use OO, here's my experience: when a document I was working on (just trying to insert a line by hitting "return" between two lines) suddenly became all hashtag gibberish - as then did all my stored OO files - I reinstalled OO. And all was well.
On Jan 5, 2014, at 11:15 AM, Rob Weir wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 7:23 AM, Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie> wrote:
>> On Sun, 05 Jan 2014 12:47:59 +0100
>> Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hagar Delest wrote:
>>>> losing the file saved last time is just unacceptable, it's a major data
>>>> loss (P1 in the bug tracker). This problem should be investigated as
>>>> seriously as possible.
>>>> No bashing needed, just look at the facts.
>>>
>>> The problem here is all with reproducing the bug. OpenOffice has so many
>>> users, on so many systems, that even a problem that occurs, say, once in
>>> ten millions save operations will get reported.
>>>
>>> It's a fact that there exist some users who report losing a document.
>>> But it's not even clear if the culprit in those cases is OpenOffice, or
>>> the operating system, or a RAM problem, or a disk failure... Like you,
>>> I've been a regular OpenOffice user for many years and I never had a
>>> similar problem.
>>>
>>> A random note if this can help: to study this problem, once I tried to
>>> deliberately fill the hard disk until I had a few MBytes free. Then I
>>> opened a heavy presentation file, with many images, and edited it
>>> normally, adding and removing content. An automatic backup failed (due
>>> to the full disk) and I think an error message was displayed (I/O
>>> error). I then tried a save operation, which failed with the same error.
>>> But then I was stuck: the file I was editing was corrupted (the images
>>> did not display) and the last saved version on disk was corrupted too
>>> (of course this was a test so I had made a backup before testing). Maybe
>>> this deserves a better investigation.
>>>
>>> It could be that some or all of these bug reports are due to a full disk
>>> (I do know some people who work with <100 MBytes free on disk, so it's
>>> not even a "1 in millions" scenario). The good thing is that this
>>> scenario can be reproduced.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Andrea.
>>>
>>
>>
>> I think there are two problems here, which both Hagar and I are aware of from the Forum. One is the Hashtag problem, which I agree is not readily reproducible and in many cases may be caused by over hasty close down of OO or operating system, the other associated problem is the erasure of the saved copy which seems to occur often alongside the hashtag problem; no matter what causes the hashtag problem, I'm sure we all agree that a saved copy of the file should not be spontaneously erased.
>>
>> The question should be asked "When does OpenOffice erase the previous copy of the file?". Surely this should only be after the Save process reaches a conclusion. I can recollect from my CP/M days that one had to adopt a certain sequence in saving a file for best security. One saved the file to File.new (say), then renamed File.org to File.bak then renamed File.new to File.org. Is this or a similar protocol being followed in OO? Perhaps some temporary relief can be obtained by changing the options in OpenOffice to _always_ generate a backup.
>>
>
> That would introduce other failure modes:
>
> 1) User would require disk space for two complete copies of the
> document. So in the marginal case a user might load a document,
> change just a character and then be unable to save.
>
> 2) Some file systems handle modify and create permissions separately.
> So you could have the ability to modify a document, but not create a
> new (temporary) one.
>
> There are certainly cases where such an approach could help. But it
> is tricky when dealing with the exceptions.
>
> The other thing to watch for is that some users cannot find their
> files after saving, even if there is no problem with the saving. They
> forget the same, what folder they used, etc.
>
> -Rob
>
>
>> If the user turns such an option off, then on his own head be the responsibility for file loss!
>>
>> I should say that I have not experienced the hashtag problem in 6 years of heavy use of OO Writer on Windows 2000/XP or linux systems.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie>
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Re: All essay text turned to hashtags--commentary
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 7:23 AM, Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie> wrote:
> On Sun, 05 Jan 2014 12:47:59 +0100
> Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> Hagar Delest wrote:
>> > losing the file saved last time is just unacceptable, it's a major data
>> > loss (P1 in the bug tracker). This problem should be investigated as
>> > seriously as possible.
>> > No bashing needed, just look at the facts.
>>
>> The problem here is all with reproducing the bug. OpenOffice has so many
>> users, on so many systems, that even a problem that occurs, say, once in
>> ten millions save operations will get reported.
>>
>> It's a fact that there exist some users who report losing a document.
>> But it's not even clear if the culprit in those cases is OpenOffice, or
>> the operating system, or a RAM problem, or a disk failure... Like you,
>> I've been a regular OpenOffice user for many years and I never had a
>> similar problem.
>>
>> A random note if this can help: to study this problem, once I tried to
>> deliberately fill the hard disk until I had a few MBytes free. Then I
>> opened a heavy presentation file, with many images, and edited it
>> normally, adding and removing content. An automatic backup failed (due
>> to the full disk) and I think an error message was displayed (I/O
>> error). I then tried a save operation, which failed with the same error.
>> But then I was stuck: the file I was editing was corrupted (the images
>> did not display) and the last saved version on disk was corrupted too
>> (of course this was a test so I had made a backup before testing). Maybe
>> this deserves a better investigation.
>>
>> It could be that some or all of these bug reports are due to a full disk
>> (I do know some people who work with <100 MBytes free on disk, so it's
>> not even a "1 in millions" scenario). The good thing is that this
>> scenario can be reproduced.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Andrea.
>>
>
>
> I think there are two problems here, which both Hagar and I are aware of from the Forum. One is the Hashtag problem, which I agree is not readily reproducible and in many cases may be caused by over hasty close down of OO or operating system, the other associated problem is the erasure of the saved copy which seems to occur often alongside the hashtag problem; no matter what causes the hashtag problem, I'm sure we all agree that a saved copy of the file should not be spontaneously erased.
>
> The question should be asked "When does OpenOffice erase the previous copy of the file?". Surely this should only be after the Save process reaches a conclusion. I can recollect from my CP/M days that one had to adopt a certain sequence in saving a file for best security. One saved the file to File.new (say), then renamed File.org to File.bak then renamed File.new to File.org. Is this or a similar protocol being followed in OO? Perhaps some temporary relief can be obtained by changing the options in OpenOffice to _always_ generate a backup.
>
That would introduce other failure modes:
1) User would require disk space for two complete copies of the
document. So in the marginal case a user might load a document,
change just a character and then be unable to save.
2) Some file systems handle modify and create permissions separately.
So you could have the ability to modify a document, but not create a
new (temporary) one.
There are certainly cases where such an approach could help. But it
is tricky when dealing with the exceptions.
The other thing to watch for is that some users cannot find their
files after saving, even if there is no problem with the saving. They
forget the same, what folder they used, etc.
-Rob
> If the user turns such an option off, then on his own head be the responsibility for file loss!
>
> I should say that I have not experienced the hashtag problem in 6 years of heavy use of OO Writer on Windows 2000/XP or linux systems.
>
>
>
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Re: All essay text turned to hashtags--commentary
Posted by Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie>.
On Sun, 05 Jan 2014 12:47:59 +0100
Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hagar Delest wrote:
> > losing the file saved last time is just unacceptable, it's a major data
> > loss (P1 in the bug tracker). This problem should be investigated as
> > seriously as possible.
> > No bashing needed, just look at the facts.
>
> The problem here is all with reproducing the bug. OpenOffice has so many
> users, on so many systems, that even a problem that occurs, say, once in
> ten millions save operations will get reported.
>
> It's a fact that there exist some users who report losing a document.
> But it's not even clear if the culprit in those cases is OpenOffice, or
> the operating system, or a RAM problem, or a disk failure... Like you,
> I've been a regular OpenOffice user for many years and I never had a
> similar problem.
>
> A random note if this can help: to study this problem, once I tried to
> deliberately fill the hard disk until I had a few MBytes free. Then I
> opened a heavy presentation file, with many images, and edited it
> normally, adding and removing content. An automatic backup failed (due
> to the full disk) and I think an error message was displayed (I/O
> error). I then tried a save operation, which failed with the same error.
> But then I was stuck: the file I was editing was corrupted (the images
> did not display) and the last saved version on disk was corrupted too
> (of course this was a test so I had made a backup before testing). Maybe
> this deserves a better investigation.
>
> It could be that some or all of these bug reports are due to a full disk
> (I do know some people who work with <100 MBytes free on disk, so it's
> not even a "1 in millions" scenario). The good thing is that this
> scenario can be reproduced.
>
> Regards,
> Andrea.
>
I think there are two problems here, which both Hagar and I are aware of from the Forum. One is the Hashtag problem, which I agree is not readily reproducible and in many cases may be caused by over hasty close down of OO or operating system, the other associated problem is the erasure of the saved copy which seems to occur often alongside the hashtag problem; no matter what causes the hashtag problem, I'm sure we all agree that a saved copy of the file should not be spontaneously erased.
The question should be asked "When does OpenOffice erase the previous copy of the file?". Surely this should only be after the Save process reaches a conclusion. I can recollect from my CP/M days that one had to adopt a certain sequence in saving a file for best security. One saved the file to File.new (say), then renamed File.org to File.bak then renamed File.new to File.org. Is this or a similar protocol being followed in OO? Perhaps some temporary relief can be obtained by changing the options in OpenOffice to _always_ generate a backup.
If the user turns such an option off, then on his own head be the responsibility for file loss!
I should say that I have not experienced the hashtag problem in 6 years of heavy use of OO Writer on Windows 2000/XP or linux systems.
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Re: All essay text turned to hashtags--commentary
Posted by Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie>.
On Sun, 5 Jan 2014 16:12:20 +0000
Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie> wrote:
> On Sun, 05 Jan 2014 17:07:27 +0100
> Josef Latt <Jo...@gmx.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Am 05.01.2014 15:06, schrieb Hagar Delest:
> >
> > > The power shortage is clearly a root cause.
> > > Perhaps we need an old disk to test what happens when we pull the plug
> > > during a save operation.
> >
> > Whats about the autorecovery function of AOO.
>
> It can work, but for critical work relying on it can be catastrophic in the instances that it fails.
>
> With an unimportant file, try pulling your power cord a few times; it is not 10% reliable..
Sorry! 10% should read 100%
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Re: All essay text turned to hashtags--commentary
Posted by Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie>.
On Sun, 05 Jan 2014 17:07:27 +0100
Josef Latt <Jo...@gmx.net> wrote:
>
>
> Am 05.01.2014 15:06, schrieb Hagar Delest:
>
> > The power shortage is clearly a root cause.
> > Perhaps we need an old disk to test what happens when we pull the plug
> > during a save operation.
>
> Whats about the autorecovery function of AOO.
It can work, but for critical work relying on it can be catastrophic in the instances that it fails.
With an unimportant file, try pulling your power cord a few times; it is not 10% reliable..
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Re: All essay text turned to hashtags--commentary
Posted by Josef Latt <Jo...@gmx.net>.
Am 05.01.2014 15:06, schrieb Hagar Delest:
> The power shortage is clearly a root cause.
> Perhaps we need an old disk to test what happens when we pull the plug
> during a save operation.
Whats about the autorecovery function of AOO.
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Re: All essay text turned to hashtags--commentary
Posted by Hagar Delest <ha...@laposte.net>.
Le 05/01/2014 12:47, Andrea Pescetti a écrit :
> A random note if this can help: to study this problem, once I tried to deliberately fill the hard disk until I had a few MBytes free. Then I opened a heavy presentation file, with many images, and edited it normally, adding and removing content. An automatic backup failed (due to the full disk) and I think an error message was displayed (I/O error). I then tried a save operation, which failed with the same error. But then I was stuck: the file I was editing was corrupted (the images did not display) and the last saved version on disk was corrupted too (of course this was a test so I had made a backup before testing). Maybe this deserves a better investigation.
In this case, at least you've some text remaining and the file is not empty.
> It could be that some or all of these bug reports are due to a full disk (I do know some people who work with <100 MBytes free on disk, so it's not even a "1 in millions" scenario). The good thing is that this scenario can be reproduced.
The power shortage is clearly a root cause.
Perhaps we need an old disk to test what happens when we pull the plug during a save operation.
Hagar
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Re: All essay text turned to hashtags--commentary
Posted by Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>.
Hagar Delest wrote:
> losing the file saved last time is just unacceptable, it's a major data
> loss (P1 in the bug tracker). This problem should be investigated as
> seriously as possible.
> No bashing needed, just look at the facts.
The problem here is all with reproducing the bug. OpenOffice has so many
users, on so many systems, that even a problem that occurs, say, once in
ten millions save operations will get reported.
It's a fact that there exist some users who report losing a document.
But it's not even clear if the culprit in those cases is OpenOffice, or
the operating system, or a RAM problem, or a disk failure... Like you,
I've been a regular OpenOffice user for many years and I never had a
similar problem.
A random note if this can help: to study this problem, once I tried to
deliberately fill the hard disk until I had a few MBytes free. Then I
opened a heavy presentation file, with many images, and edited it
normally, adding and removing content. An automatic backup failed (due
to the full disk) and I think an error message was displayed (I/O
error). I then tried a save operation, which failed with the same error.
But then I was stuck: the file I was editing was corrupted (the images
did not display) and the last saved version on disk was corrupted too
(of course this was a test so I had made a backup before testing). Maybe
this deserves a better investigation.
It could be that some or all of these bug reports are due to a full disk
(I do know some people who work with <100 MBytes free on disk, so it's
not even a "1 in millions" scenario). The good thing is that this
scenario can be reproduced.
Regards,
Andrea.
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Re: All essay text turned to hashtags--commentary
Posted by Hagar Delest <ha...@laposte.net>.
Le 05/01/2014 10:30, Aspects a écrit :
> With apologies, but can we get back to finding a solution to this problem rather than slagging each other (and AOO) off.
>
> I have used this suite since version 2 on OS X, Linux and Both 32 and 64-bit versions of Windows. I have only ever suffered minor glitches with formatting and some eccentricities with the spell-checker: both of them known and cured at the next minor version update.
So do I (on Windows 2K, XP, Vista, 7, x/ubuntu) and never had this problem (using AOO 8 hours a day at work on Windows systems).
But there are enough reports to confirm that there IS a problem somewhere. A clear root cause is power shortage (that is different than just killing the soffice process). What is not clear for me is if the shortage has to occur during a save process or not and in what step of the save process. NB: some reports seems to tell that no process was involved during the shortage. A disk cache issue then?
> This is unusual and sounds very much as if a file format was wrongly applied at the last save. Can we all concentrate on getting these two problems solved: finding some way of recovering the document and tracing down the glitch that caused this.
I'm definitively sure that this is not a file format issue: the content of the file is full of zeros. There is absolutely nothing left. So no recovery possible.
Some will find the rants from users FUD but I do understand such rants. This is a good reason to be furious against the application. I understand a problem during save process so I would put up with losing the new version of the file I'm saving (I mean the last edits). But losing the file saved last time is just unacceptable, it's a major data loss (P1 in the bug tracker). This problem should be investigated as seriously as possible.
No bashing needed, just look at the facts.
Hagar
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Re: All essay text turned to hashtags--commentary
Posted by Aspects <pa...@aspects.net>.
With apologies, but can we get back to finding a solution to this problem rather than slagging each other (and AOO) off.
I have used this suite since version 2 on OS X, Linux and Both 32 and 64-bit versions of Windows. I have only ever suffered minor glitches with formatting and some eccentricities with the spell-checker: both of them known and cured at the next minor version update.
This is unusual and sounds very much as if a file format was wrongly applied at the last save. Can we all concentrate on getting these two problems solved: finding some way of recovering the document and tracing down the glitch that caused this.
Paul Simmonds
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> On 5 Jan 2014, at 05:23, Gary Frost <gl...@me.com> wrote:
>
> I don't get it either. I've never had any of these problems during years of use.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jan 4, 2014, at 10:07 PM, TN Patriot <ir...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, 4 Jan 2014 22:59:31 -0500
>> "Anthony J. Rudgers" <an...@att.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Greetings All!
>>>
>>> The present "hashtag" problem is is symptomatic of the entire OO software
>>> suite. An ordinary user of OO, doing ordinary things w/ a word processor or
>>> other office-suite software, suddenly gets something that is really screwy,
>>> & doesn't know what to do to fix it. Much of their production gets lost, or
>>> else, they spend a lot of time attempting to get their WP document or
>>> spreadsheet the way they want it by trying again & again to get around
>>> built-in or default features (or bugs!) of OO that they don't understand or
>>> know how to modify (& OO documentation, as I have found, is meager &
>>> inadequate). Unless you're a long-time & dedicated user, the OO suite never
>>> seems to do quite what you'd like it to do & you usually can't figure out
>>> how to fix things ON YOUR OWN COMPUTER W/ YOUR EXISTING SOFTWARE. One has
>>> to have the ability to fix things quickly on their own w/o "going to the
>>> experts" every time a problem w/ OO arises! For the casual user, the OO
>>> product appears flawed. People who use any software product want to spend
>>> their time & creativity on what they are developing, rather than spending
>>> time & effort on issues associated w/ the tool they are using to develop it.
>>> OO office software needs much effort to make it more efficient, largely
>>> error-free, & much more user friendly.
>>>
>>> Beat wishes,
>>>
>>> Anthony J. Rudgers
>>> Orlando, FL U.S.A.
>>
>> With people like you, your problem with 'software' is you're not smart enough to
>> use it correctly.
>>
>> In the minimum of 10 years I've been using OpenOffice, I've yet to have any of the
>> problems you or the OP have had. Seems an awful lot of other people are the same
>> way. It seems *YOU* are your own worst problem, especially when you come on mailing
>> lists with a bunch of moronic FUD and absolutely nothing to back it up.
>>
>> I'll continue to use AOO, with no problems, on my system and just keep laughing at
>> dimbulbs like you who have no decent reason to own a computer much less the
>> ability to turn one on without breaking it.
>>
>> Now please, go take along walk on a short pier in Antarctic waters.
>>
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Re: All essay text turned to hashtags--commentary
Posted by Gary Frost <gl...@me.com>.
I don't get it either. I've never had any of these problems during years of use.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jan 4, 2014, at 10:07 PM, TN Patriot <ir...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Sat, 4 Jan 2014 22:59:31 -0500
> "Anthony J. Rudgers" <an...@att.net> wrote:
>
>> Greetings All!
>>
>> The present "hashtag" problem is is symptomatic of the entire OO software
>> suite. An ordinary user of OO, doing ordinary things w/ a word processor or
>> other office-suite software, suddenly gets something that is really screwy,
>> & doesn't know what to do to fix it. Much of their production gets lost, or
>> else, they spend a lot of time attempting to get their WP document or
>> spreadsheet the way they want it by trying again & again to get around
>> built-in or default features (or bugs!) of OO that they don't understand or
>> know how to modify (& OO documentation, as I have found, is meager &
>> inadequate). Unless you're a long-time & dedicated user, the OO suite never
>> seems to do quite what you'd like it to do & you usually can't figure out
>> how to fix things ON YOUR OWN COMPUTER W/ YOUR EXISTING SOFTWARE. One has
>> to have the ability to fix things quickly on their own w/o "going to the
>> experts" every time a problem w/ OO arises! For the casual user, the OO
>> product appears flawed. People who use any software product want to spend
>> their time & creativity on what they are developing, rather than spending
>> time & effort on issues associated w/ the tool they are using to develop it.
>> OO office software needs much effort to make it more efficient, largely
>> error-free, & much more user friendly.
>>
>> Beat wishes,
>>
>> Anthony J. Rudgers
>> Orlando, FL U.S.A.
>
> With people like you, your problem with 'software' is you're not smart enough to
> use it correctly.
>
> In the minimum of 10 years I've been using OpenOffice, I've yet to have any of the
> problems you or the OP have had. Seems an awful lot of other people are the same
> way. It seems *YOU* are your own worst problem, especially when you come on mailing
> lists with a bunch of moronic FUD and absolutely nothing to back it up.
>
> I'll continue to use AOO, with no problems, on my system and just keep laughing at
> dimbulbs like you who have no decent reason to own a computer much less the
> ability to turn one on without breaking it.
>
> Now please, go take along walk on a short pier in Antarctic waters.
>
>
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Re: All essay text turned to hashtags--commentary
Posted by "Keith N. McKenna" <ke...@comcast.net>.
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TN Patriot wrote:
> On Sat, 4 Jan 2014 22:59:31 -0500 "Anthony J. Rudgers"
> <an...@att.net> wrote:
>
>> Greetings All!
>>
>> The present "hashtag" problem is is symptomatic of the entire OO
>> software suite. An ordinary user of OO, doing ordinary things w/
>> a word processor or other office-suite software, suddenly gets
>> something that is really screwy, & doesn't know what to do to fix
>> it. Much of their production gets lost, or else, they spend a
>> lot of time attempting to get their WP document or spreadsheet
>> the way they want it by trying again & again to get around
>> built-in or default features (or bugs!) of OO that they don't
>> understand or know how to modify (& OO documentation, as I have
>> found, is meager & inadequate). Unless you're a long-time &
>> dedicated user, the OO suite never seems to do quite what you'd
>> like it to do & you usually can't figure out how to fix things ON
>> YOUR OWN COMPUTER W/ YOUR EXISTING SOFTWARE. One has to have the
>> ability to fix things quickly on their own w/o "going to the
>> experts" every time a problem w/ OO arises! For the casual user,
>> the OO product appears flawed. People who use any software
>> product want to spend their time & creativity on what they are
>> developing, rather than spending time & effort on issues
>> associated w/ the tool they are using to develop it. OO office
>> software needs much effort to make it more efficient, largely
>> error-free, & much more user friendly.
>>
>> Beat wishes,
>>
>> Anthony J. Rudgers Orlando, FL U.S.A.
>>
>
> With people like you, your problem with 'software' is you're not
> smart enough to use it correctly.
>
> In the minimum of 10 years I've been using OpenOffice, I've yet to
> have any of the problems you or the OP have had. Seems an awful lot
> of other people are the same way. It seems *YOU* are your own worst
> problem, especially when you come on mailing lists with a bunch of
> moronic FUD and absolutely nothing to back it up.
>
> I'll continue to use AOO, with no problems, on my system and just
> keep laughing at dimbulbs like you who have no decent reason to own
> a computer much less the ability to turn one on without breaking
> it.
>
> Now please, go take along walk on a short pier in Antarctic
> waters.
>
>
TN Patriot;
Statements such as the above do nothing to further the cause of
OpenOffice and IMHO add nothing to the discussion of the problem at
hand. I would refer you to the List Conduct Guidelines at
http://openoffice.apache.org/list-conduct.html.
As on that spent most of my working career doing direct support of one
form or another I know first hand that there is a certain amount of
validity to some of Mr. Rudgers statements. We need to listen with
open minds to all members open the OpenOffice community, even those
with whom we may disagree, if we are to advance both the development
of the software and its acceptance in the wider world.
Regards
Keith N. McKenna
Regards
Keith
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Re: All essay text turned to hashtags--commentary
Posted by TN Patriot <ir...@gmail.com>.
On Sat, 4 Jan 2014 22:59:31 -0500
"Anthony J. Rudgers" <an...@att.net> wrote:
> Greetings All!
>
> The present "hashtag" problem is is symptomatic of the entire OO software
> suite. An ordinary user of OO, doing ordinary things w/ a word processor or
> other office-suite software, suddenly gets something that is really screwy,
> & doesn't know what to do to fix it. Much of their production gets lost, or
> else, they spend a lot of time attempting to get their WP document or
> spreadsheet the way they want it by trying again & again to get around
> built-in or default features (or bugs!) of OO that they don't understand or
> know how to modify (& OO documentation, as I have found, is meager &
> inadequate). Unless you're a long-time & dedicated user, the OO suite never
> seems to do quite what you'd like it to do & you usually can't figure out
> how to fix things ON YOUR OWN COMPUTER W/ YOUR EXISTING SOFTWARE. One has
> to have the ability to fix things quickly on their own w/o "going to the
> experts" every time a problem w/ OO arises! For the casual user, the OO
> product appears flawed. People who use any software product want to spend
> their time & creativity on what they are developing, rather than spending
> time & effort on issues associated w/ the tool they are using to develop it.
> OO office software needs much effort to make it more efficient, largely
> error-free, & much more user friendly.
>
> Beat wishes,
>
> Anthony J. Rudgers
> Orlando, FL U.S.A.
>
With people like you, your problem with 'software' is you're not smart enough to
use it correctly.
In the minimum of 10 years I've been using OpenOffice, I've yet to have any of the
problems you or the OP have had. Seems an awful lot of other people are the same
way. It seems *YOU* are your own worst problem, especially when you come on mailing
lists with a bunch of moronic FUD and absolutely nothing to back it up.
I'll continue to use AOO, with no problems, on my system and just keep laughing at
dimbulbs like you who have no decent reason to own a computer much less the
ability to turn one on without breaking it.
Now please, go take along walk on a short pier in Antarctic waters.
--
http://www.lawcollective.org/ Learn your rights through cartoons!
http://www.roadblock.org/rights/ Know your rights about and at roadblocks!
http://fija.org/ Learn about Jury Nullification! Take back your rights from the
over-reaching: police, justice system and government!
Why does the government want to ban semi-auto weapons? Because you won’t get in
the box car willingly.
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