Cornerstone/Phoenix

[Berin Loritsch <bl...@apache.org>]

I may be getting way ahead of myself, but since I know almost
nothing in detail about Phoenix and Cornerstone, I would like
to know what are the current plans for them.  What would it
take to go beta with them--and how long would it take?

I still want to focus on getting Framework/Excalibur/LogKit
to a full release _first_.  However, I do want to know where
we plan to take Phoenix/Cornerstone (10,000 foot view of the
projects).

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RE: Cornerstone/Phoenix

[Leo Simons <ma...@leosimons.com>]

> At 09:52 PM 6/4/01 -0400, Berin Loritsch wrote:
> >I may be getting way ahead of myself, but since I know almost
> >nothing in detail about Phoenix and Cornerstone, I would like
> >to know what are the current plans for them.  What would it
> >take to go beta with them--and how long would it take?
> >
> >I still want to focus on getting Framework/Excalibur/LogKit
> >to a full release _first_.  However, I do want to know where
> >we plan to take Phoenix/Cornerstone (10,000 foot view of the
> >projects).
> 
> In my view the following features would be required before I would feel
> comfortable going beta.

I think Pete got all of 'em =)

I personally think a naming server is not required at the phoenix
core, so that we can go beta without it. Also, what he didn't
list is testing - I am unsure if there are any performance figures
yet...are there?

You'll also notice that cornerstone has about zero changes listed;
the only things that have to be changed will be changed to
facilitate the changes in phoenix. It is essentially waiting for
phoenix before the beta.

Finally, documentation on phoenix is worse than on excalibur...but
that's for beta 2 =)

cheers,

LSD

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Re: Cornerstone/Phoenix

[Peter Donald <do...@apache.org>]

At 09:52 PM 6/4/01 -0400, Berin Loritsch wrote:
>I may be getting way ahead of myself, but since I know almost
>nothing in detail about Phoenix and Cornerstone, I would like
>to know what are the current plans for them.  What would it
>take to go beta with them--and how long would it take?
>
>I still want to focus on getting Framework/Excalibur/LogKit
>to a full release _first_.  However, I do want to know where
>we plan to take Phoenix/Cornerstone (10,000 foot view of the
>projects).

In my view the following features would be required before I would feel
comfortable going beta.

1. Rework excalibur.thread.* like previously discussed.
2. Full Management interface (server end almost there) and clean
interaction between applications and management interface. Requires (1).
Time: <10hrs. 
3. Management Console/Client Interface. (CLI version and optionally a GUI
version). Requires (2). Time: ???. 
4. Rework kernel so that thread boundaries are respected and secure.
Requires (1). Time: 3hrs. 
5. Rework kernel so that services are offered via proxied interfaces. Time:
???. (Could be short job or long one)
6. Specify and implement a VFS like mechanism so .sar files don't have to
be unjarred. Time: 3hrs if we take quick and easy path. 
7. Rework kernel so that Facility providers can be other SARs. Requires:
(1). Time: <7hrs
8. Rework Management and Logging Facilities so that they are provided by
SARs. Requires: (7). Time: 1hr
9. Determine and asses if we need a naming service, if so implement using
cadestre. Requires: (7)+(2). Time: ????.
10. Clean up log messages so they are nicer for admin (rather than developer).

Anyways thats what I see as required.

Cheers,

Pete

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