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Posted to dev@hudi.apache.org by Shiyan Xu <xu...@gmail.com> on 2019/11/13 03:53:59 UTC
RFC process step 1 votes
Hi all,
As per the RFC process
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/HUDI/RFC+Process
We usually start with an email thread to raise an idea before step 2:
creating an RFC page.
It'll be good to reach an agreement on how many votes (+1) do we need to
proceed to step 2.
The idea is not to make it too easy, otherwise it defeats the purpose of
setting step 1, but also not to make the bar too high.
I would like to propose at least 5 votes (+1) needed to proceed:
- 2 votes from the committers, and
- 3 votes from the community (can be committer or non-committer)
Consider the growing community, we shall be able to increase the numbers as
deemed necessary.
Any thoughts? How about 5 votes to pass this meta-voting? :)
- Raymond
Re: RFC process step 1 votes
Posted by Vinoth Chandar <vi...@apache.org>.
Thanks for initiating this, Raymond!
I am wondering if Lazy consensus + may be just +1 from PMC/Committers is
sufficient for this? Like you mentioned, given RFC review itself has
approvals.
We don't want to filter ideas too early without even giving a chance for
proposer to fully express it in a wiki page.
We can put the final proposal to vote.
On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 4:30 AM vino yang <ya...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Gurudatt,
>
> Thanks for providing the resource link to the voting procedure.
>
> Best,
> Vino
>
> Gurudatt Kulkarni <gu...@gmail.com> 于2019年11月13日周三 下午5:09写道：
>
> > The voting procedure for Apache projects is described here
> > https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html. I am not sure if this is
> > open to change.
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 2:20 PM vino yang <ya...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Shiyan,
> > >
> > > Thanks for starting this discussion.
> > >
> > > +1 from my side
> > >
> > > Some additional thought:
> > >
> > > - Shall the proposal need at least one +1 vote from PMC?
> > > - It would be better to explain what's the meaning of +0 and -1.
> > > - In other communities, there is another concept when voting which
> > > called: binding and non-binding. Shall we introduce it?
> > >
> > > Best,
> > > Vino
> > >
> > > Shiyan Xu <xu...@gmail.com> 于2019年11月13日周三 上午11:54写道：
> > >
> > > > Hi all,
> > > >
> > > > As per the RFC process
> > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/HUDI/RFC+Process
> > > >
> > > > We usually start with an email thread to raise an idea before step 2:
> > > > creating an RFC page.
> > > >
> > > > It'll be good to reach an agreement on how many votes (+1) do we need
> > to
> > > > proceed to step 2.
> > > >
> > > > The idea is not to make it too easy, otherwise it defeats the purpose
> > of
> > > > setting step 1, but also not to make the bar too high.
> > > >
> > > > I would like to propose at least 5 votes (+1) needed to proceed:
> > > > - 2 votes from the committers, and
> > > > - 3 votes from the community (can be committer or non-committer)
> > > >
> > > > Consider the growing community, we shall be able to increase the
> > numbers
> > > as
> > > > deemed necessary.
> > > >
> > > > Any thoughts? How about 5 votes to pass this meta-voting? :)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > - Raymond
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
Re: RFC process step 1 votes
Posted by vino yang <ya...@gmail.com>.
Hi Gurudatt,
Thanks for providing the resource link to the voting procedure.
Best,
Vino
Gurudatt Kulkarni <gu...@gmail.com> 于2019年11月13日周三 下午5:09写道：
> The voting procedure for Apache projects is described here
> https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html. I am not sure if this is
> open to change.
>
> On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 2:20 PM vino yang <ya...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Shiyan,
> >
> > Thanks for starting this discussion.
> >
> > +1 from my side
> >
> > Some additional thought:
> >
> > - Shall the proposal need at least one +1 vote from PMC?
> > - It would be better to explain what's the meaning of +0 and -1.
> > - In other communities, there is another concept when voting which
> > called: binding and non-binding. Shall we introduce it?
> >
> > Best,
> > Vino
> >
> > Shiyan Xu <xu...@gmail.com> 于2019年11月13日周三 上午11:54写道：
> >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > As per the RFC process
> > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/HUDI/RFC+Process
> > >
> > > We usually start with an email thread to raise an idea before step 2:
> > > creating an RFC page.
> > >
> > > It'll be good to reach an agreement on how many votes (+1) do we need
> to
> > > proceed to step 2.
> > >
> > > The idea is not to make it too easy, otherwise it defeats the purpose
> of
> > > setting step 1, but also not to make the bar too high.
> > >
> > > I would like to propose at least 5 votes (+1) needed to proceed:
> > > - 2 votes from the committers, and
> > > - 3 votes from the community (can be committer or non-committer)
> > >
> > > Consider the growing community, we shall be able to increase the
> numbers
> > as
> > > deemed necessary.
> > >
> > > Any thoughts? How about 5 votes to pass this meta-voting? :)
> > >
> > >
> > > - Raymond
> > >
> >
>
Re: RFC process step 1 votes
Posted by Gurudatt Kulkarni <gu...@gmail.com>.
The voting procedure for Apache projects is described here
https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html. I am not sure if this is
open to change.
On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 2:20 PM vino yang <ya...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Shiyan,
>
> Thanks for starting this discussion.
>
> +1 from my side
>
> Some additional thought:
>
> - Shall the proposal need at least one +1 vote from PMC?
> - It would be better to explain what's the meaning of +0 and -1.
> - In other communities, there is another concept when voting which
> called: binding and non-binding. Shall we introduce it?
>
> Best,
> Vino
>
> Shiyan Xu <xu...@gmail.com> 于2019年11月13日周三 上午11:54写道：
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > As per the RFC process
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/HUDI/RFC+Process
> >
> > We usually start with an email thread to raise an idea before step 2:
> > creating an RFC page.
> >
> > It'll be good to reach an agreement on how many votes (+1) do we need to
> > proceed to step 2.
> >
> > The idea is not to make it too easy, otherwise it defeats the purpose of
> > setting step 1, but also not to make the bar too high.
> >
> > I would like to propose at least 5 votes (+1) needed to proceed:
> > - 2 votes from the committers, and
> > - 3 votes from the community (can be committer or non-committer)
> >
> > Consider the growing community, we shall be able to increase the numbers
> as
> > deemed necessary.
> >
> > Any thoughts? How about 5 votes to pass this meta-voting? :)
> >
> >
> > - Raymond
> >
>
Re: RFC process step 1 votes
Posted by vino yang <ya...@gmail.com>.
Hi Shiyan,
Thanks for starting this discussion.
+1 from my side
Some additional thought:
- Shall the proposal need at least one +1 vote from PMC?
- It would be better to explain what's the meaning of +0 and -1.
- In other communities, there is another concept when voting which
called: binding and non-binding. Shall we introduce it?
Best,
Vino
Shiyan Xu <xu...@gmail.com> 于2019年11月13日周三 上午11:54写道：
> Hi all,
>
> As per the RFC process
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/HUDI/RFC+Process
>
> We usually start with an email thread to raise an idea before step 2:
> creating an RFC page.
>
> It'll be good to reach an agreement on how many votes (+1) do we need to
> proceed to step 2.
>
> The idea is not to make it too easy, otherwise it defeats the purpose of
> setting step 1, but also not to make the bar too high.
>
> I would like to propose at least 5 votes (+1) needed to proceed:
> - 2 votes from the committers, and
> - 3 votes from the community (can be committer or non-committer)
>
> Consider the growing community, we shall be able to increase the numbers as
> deemed necessary.
>
> Any thoughts? How about 5 votes to pass this meta-voting? :)
>
>
> - Raymond
>