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Multiple Languages
Does anyone have any good tips or tricks on how to implement turbine
applications that have to display their web pages in multiple languages?
I have a requirement to build a simple application that can display its
interface in Dutch (ugh! =;o) ) or English, and I'm sure somebody out
there must have run into similar problems and has already come up with a
nifty solution.
Any light you shed on this is greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance,
Matt
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Re: Multiple Languages
Posted by Gunnar Rønning <gu...@polygnosis.com>.
* "John Colvin" <jc...@openconnect.ie> wrote:
|
| Hi
| The problem with this was that the system was to run in Switzerland which
| has 3 languages. Each client PC or whatever could have been used by people
| who speak French,German or Italian depending on their preference, this was
| why a default language was in the users record in the database as the
| browser may be configured for a different language.
Same issue here. The accept language header is not useful.
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Re: Multiple Languages
Posted by John Colvin <jc...@openconnect.ie>.
Hi
The problem with this was that the system was to run in Switzerland which
has 3 languages. Each client PC or whatever could have been used by people
who speak French,German or Italian depending on their preference, this was
why a default language was in the users record in the database as the
browser may be configured for a different language.
Rgrds
John
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From: "Stephane Bailliez" <sb...@apache.org>
To: <tu...@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: Multiple Languages
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Colvin" <jc...@openconnect.ie>
> > I have devloped an application, though, not in turbine that had 3
> > languages
> > associated with it.
>
> [...]
> > String lang = (String) session.getAttribute("UserLanguage");
> > Properties props = (Properties)
> > session.getAttribute("LangaugeProperties");
>
> > String title = props.getProperty(lang + "_TITLE");
>
> I don't understand why you did this instead of using the Turbine
> localization service ? Is there any reason ?
>
> The localization service allows you to pick up the right bundle based on a
> locale and even the Accept-Language header. As a standard the localization
> for bundles follow a naming pattern with region and language and fallback
to
> the default one as described here:
> http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.3/docs/api/java/util/ResourceBundle.html
>
> Stephane
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Re: Multiple Languages
Posted by Stephane Bailliez <sb...@apache.org>.
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Colvin" <jc...@openconnect.ie>
> I have devloped an application, though, not in turbine that had 3
> languages
> associated with it.
[...]
> String lang = (String) session.getAttribute("UserLanguage");
> Properties props = (Properties)
> session.getAttribute("LangaugeProperties");
> String title = props.getProperty(lang + "_TITLE");
I don't understand why you did this instead of using the Turbine
localization service ? Is there any reason ?
The localization service allows you to pick up the right bundle based on a
locale and even the Accept-Language header. As a standard the localization
for bundles follow a naming pattern with region and language and fallback to
the default one as described here:
http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.3/docs/api/java/util/ResourceBundle.html
Stephane
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Re: Multiple Languages
Posted by Kasper Nielsen <ne...@kav.dk>.
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Colvin" <jc...@openconnect.ie>
To: <tu...@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 5:43 PM
Subject: Re: Multiple Languages
> Hi
>
> String lang = (String) session.getAttribute("UserLanguage");
> Properties props = (Properties)
session.getAttribute("LangaugeProperties");
>
> String title = props.getProperty(lang + "_TITLE");
>
Its ok to use it as a quick hack, but Properties shouldn't be used if
optimal performance is required.
The problem is that props.getProperty is threadsafe (Properties extends
hashtable), so imagine if we have 20 threads concurrently rendering the same
page, and all of them need to access the same Properties object multiple
times in one pass. Thats a lot of waiting.
- Kasper
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Re: Multiple Languages
Posted by John Colvin <jc...@openconnect.ie>.
Hi
I have devloped an application, though, not in turbine that had 3 languages
associated with it.
We created a Properties file that contained properties similar to this :
DE_TITLE=Title in german
FR_TITLE=Title in French
EN_TITLE=Title in English
These properties were read in added to the session. When a user logged in
they had a language field in the User table which was added to that users
session upon login.
I suggest in Turbine that in the doBuildTemplate method of the template in
question you retrieve the elements from the properties and place them into
the context.
String lang = (String) session.getAttribute("UserLanguage");
Properties props = (Properties) session.getAttribute("LangaugeProperties");
String title = props.getProperty(lang + "_TITLE");
Then add this to the context
context.put("title",Title);
Now in your template you can display the title in the language of the
current user.
I know this may not be a very elegant solution but it worked and the
customer was very happy with the solution.
Rgrds
John
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From: "Matthew Forder" <fo...@ams.neth.seagate.com>
To: <tu...@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 4:23 PM
Subject: Multiple Languages
> Does anyone have any good tips or tricks on how to implement turbine
> applications that have to display their web pages in multiple languages?
> I have a requirement to build a simple application that can display its
> interface in Dutch (ugh! =;o) ) or English, and I'm sure somebody out
> there must have run into similar problems and has already come up with a
> nifty solution.
>
> Any light you shed on this is greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Matt
>
> --
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Re: Multiple Languages
Posted by Emile Kok <em...@toughguy.net>.
agreed, templates should possibly have a language root qualified by the
user language profile, the data being presented is a different story,
redundancy not being a good idea.
regards
Emile
At 08:53 PM 8/15/01 +0100, you wrote:
>yeah, but isnt that what resource bundles
>do in a way?
>
>i was thinking about an approach with
>different templates for each language.
>
>on the one hand this doubles production effort
>for the people building the templates,
>but it makes it fairly easy to get along
>with interface elements, which are not plain text.
>(i.e. images)
>
>on the velocity side you could go with
>a superclass, which figures out the locale and
>offers the right template for each request.
>these get cached anyway.
>
>i am a little afraid that the way you described,
>or the use of resources bundles might put to much
>load on the machines, especialy when you have really
>complex pages.
>
>regards,
>heiko
>
>On Wed, 15 Aug 2001, Emile Kok wrote:
>
> > Hi guys,
> >
> > I'd suggest having a set of global IDs (with matching descriptions) for
> > languages. Use those IDs in a child table (item_translate or something)
> > along with the item ID as the composite PK and join this [translate] table
> > to the item table on item ID for each query. This obviously means fiddling
> > with the object constructor classes.
> >
> > PS I have not tried this in Turbine, but use this principle on other
> systems.
> >
> > regards
> > Emile
> >
> > At 07:36 PM 8/15/01 +0100, Heiko Braun wrote:
> >
> > >hi albi,
> > >
> > >i am currently on a project with similar requirements
> > >and it would help a lot, if you could offer some hints
> > >on using the build in Localisation.
> > >
> > >regards,
> > >
> > > --
> > > heiko braun, fork unstable media
> > > http://www.unstablemedia.com
> > >
> > >
> > >On Wed, 15 Aug 2001, Albrecht F. Leiprecht wrote:
> > >
> > > > > Does anyone have any good tips or tricks on how to implement turbine
> > > > > applications that have to display their web pages in multiple
> languages?
> > > > > I have a requirement to build a simple application that can
> display its
> > > > > interface in Dutch (ugh! =;o) ) or English, and I'm sure
> somebody out
> > > > > there must have run into similar problems and has already come up
> with a
> > > > > nifty solution.
> > > >
> > > > We are currently working on a site with multilanguage support,
> where we use
> > > > Turbine's built in Localization service.
> > > >
> > > > We are currently using german and english based on the
> browserlanguage...
> > > >
> > > > is it that what you need ?? If so, I will try to guide you. It's
> quite easy
> > > > :)
> > > >
> > > > rgds
> > > > albi
> > > >
> > > >
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Re: Multiple Languages
Posted by Heiko Braun <he...@fork.de>.
yeah, but isnt that what resource bundles
do in a way?
i was thinking about an approach with
different templates for each language.
on the one hand this doubles production effort
for the people building the templates,
but it makes it fairly easy to get along
with interface elements, which are not plain text.
(i.e. images)
on the velocity side you could go with
a superclass, which figures out the locale and
offers the right template for each request.
these get cached anyway.
i am a little afraid that the way you described,
or the use of resources bundles might put to much
load on the machines, especialy when you have really
complex pages.
regards,
heiko
On Wed, 15 Aug 2001, Emile Kok wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
> I'd suggest having a set of global IDs (with matching descriptions) for
> languages. Use those IDs in a child table (item_translate or something)
> along with the item ID as the composite PK and join this [translate] table
> to the item table on item ID for each query. This obviously means fiddling
> with the object constructor classes.
>
> PS I have not tried this in Turbine, but use this principle on other systems.
>
> regards
> Emile
>
> At 07:36 PM 8/15/01 +0100, Heiko Braun wrote:
>
> >hi albi,
> >
> >i am currently on a project with similar requirements
> >and it would help a lot, if you could offer some hints
> >on using the build in Localisation.
> >
> >regards,
> >
> > --
> > heiko braun, fork unstable media
> > http://www.unstablemedia.com
> >
> >
> >On Wed, 15 Aug 2001, Albrecht F. Leiprecht wrote:
> >
> > > > Does anyone have any good tips or tricks on how to implement turbine
> > > > applications that have to display their web pages in multiple languages?
> > > > I have a requirement to build a simple application that can display its
> > > > interface in Dutch (ugh! =;o) ) or English, and I'm sure somebody out
> > > > there must have run into similar problems and has already come up with a
> > > > nifty solution.
> > >
> > > We are currently working on a site with multilanguage support, where we use
> > > Turbine's built in Localization service.
> > >
> > > We are currently using german and english based on the browserlanguage...
> > >
> > > is it that what you need ?? If so, I will try to guide you. It's quite easy
> > > :)
> > >
> > > rgds
> > > albi
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Re: Multiple Languages
Posted by Emile Kok <em...@toughguy.net>.
Hi guys,
I'd suggest having a set of global IDs (with matching descriptions) for
languages. Use those IDs in a child table (item_translate or something)
along with the item ID as the composite PK and join this [translate] table
to the item table on item ID for each query. This obviously means fiddling
with the object constructor classes.
PS I have not tried this in Turbine, but use this principle on other systems.
regards
Emile
At 07:36 PM 8/15/01 +0100, Heiko Braun wrote:
>hi albi,
>
>i am currently on a project with similar requirements
>and it would help a lot, if you could offer some hints
>on using the build in Localisation.
>
>regards,
>
> --
> heiko braun, fork unstable media
> http://www.unstablemedia.com
>
>
>On Wed, 15 Aug 2001, Albrecht F. Leiprecht wrote:
>
> > > Does anyone have any good tips or tricks on how to implement turbine
> > > applications that have to display their web pages in multiple languages?
> > > I have a requirement to build a simple application that can display its
> > > interface in Dutch (ugh! =;o) ) or English, and I'm sure somebody out
> > > there must have run into similar problems and has already come up with a
> > > nifty solution.
> >
> > We are currently working on a site with multilanguage support, where we use
> > Turbine's built in Localization service.
> >
> > We are currently using german and english based on the browserlanguage...
> >
> > is it that what you need ?? If so, I will try to guide you. It's quite easy
> > :)
> >
> > rgds
> > albi
> >
> >
> >
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Re: Multiple Languages
Posted by Matthew Forder <fo...@ams.neth.seagate.com>.
Albi,
I think what you describe should be more than sufficient..anything that's gets
me heading in the right direction would help as I've never had to develop a
mulit-language application before!!
Thanks and regards,
Matt
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"Albrecht F. Leiprecht" wrote:
> > Does anyone have any good tips or tricks on how to implement turbine
> > applications that have to display their web pages in multiple languages?
> > I have a requirement to build a simple application that can display its
> > interface in Dutch (ugh! =;o) ) or English, and I'm sure somebody out
> > there must have run into similar problems and has already come up with a
> > nifty solution.
>
> We are currently working on a site with multilanguage support, where we use
> Turbine's built in Localization service.
>
> We are currently using german and english based on the browserlanguage...
>
> is it that what you need ?? If so, I will try to guide you. It's quite easy
> :)
>
> rgds
> albi
>
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RE: Page Object and Frames
Posted by Heiko Braun <he...@fork.de>.
alright, thanks gareth.
that does it for me ;)
still, i was hoping to find a solution
which works on the fly, not for all
templates in general.
life is hard,...
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http://www.unstablemedia.com
On Mon, 20 Aug 2001, Gareth Coltman wrote:
> Change your default layout to the VelocityOnlyLayout in the Turbineresources.properties file.
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: heiko@lurk.forkberlin.de [mailto:heiko@lurk.forkberlin.de]On
> > Behalf Of Heiko Braun
> > Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 17:04
> > To: turbine list
> > Subject: RE: Page Object and Frames
> >
> >
> >
> > thanks for your reply.
> >
> > i archieved to make turbine deliver
> > my framset code, which resides in 'Frameset.vm'
> >
> > the problem is that my frameset code
> > still gets wrapped in <html> and <body> tags,
> > which makes it useless.
> >
> > i thought that the basic html code derives from
> > the underlying page object which gets called before my
> > layouts and screens are executed.
> >
> > does somebody know how to get rid of <html> & <body>
> > which surround the screen and layout code?
> >
> > any help appreciated,
> >
> > --
> > heiko braun, fork unstable media
> > http://www.unstablemedia.com
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 20 Aug 2001, Gareth Coltman wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > is there a way to override the default
> > > > page object with one that can deliver framesets?
> > > >
> > > > if so, can someone give me a hint
> > > > how to it?
> > > >
> > >
> > >
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RE: Page Object and Frames
Posted by Gareth Coltman <ga...@majorband.co.uk>.
Change your default layout to the VelocityOnlyLayout in the Turbineresources.properties file.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: heiko@lurk.forkberlin.de [mailto:heiko@lurk.forkberlin.de]On
> Behalf Of Heiko Braun
> Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 17:04
> To: turbine list
> Subject: RE: Page Object and Frames
>
>
>
> thanks for your reply.
>
> i archieved to make turbine deliver
> my framset code, which resides in 'Frameset.vm'
>
> the problem is that my frameset code
> still gets wrapped in <html> and <body> tags,
> which makes it useless.
>
> i thought that the basic html code derives from
> the underlying page object which gets called before my
> layouts and screens are executed.
>
> does somebody know how to get rid of <html> & <body>
> which surround the screen and layout code?
>
> any help appreciated,
>
> --
> heiko braun, fork unstable media
> http://www.unstablemedia.com
>
>
> On Mon, 20 Aug 2001, Gareth Coltman wrote:
>
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > is there a way to override the default
> > > page object with one that can deliver framesets?
> > >
> > > if so, can someone give me a hint
> > > how to it?
> > >
> >
> >
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RE: Page Object and Frames
Posted by Heiko Braun <he...@fork.de>.
thanks for your reply.
i archieved to make turbine deliver
my framset code, which resides in 'Frameset.vm'
the problem is that my frameset code
still gets wrapped in <html> and <body> tags,
which makes it useless.
i thought that the basic html code derives from
the underlying page object which gets called before my
layouts and screens are executed.
does somebody know how to get rid of <html> & <body>
which surround the screen and layout code?
any help appreciated,
--
heiko braun, fork unstable media
http://www.unstablemedia.com
On Mon, 20 Aug 2001, Gareth Coltman wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > is there a way to override the default
> > page object with one that can deliver framesets?
> >
> > if so, can someone give me a hint
> > how to it?
> >
> Just use the VelocityOnlyLayout. This should work. I think. ???
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RE: Page Object and Frames
Posted by Gareth Coltman <ga...@majorband.co.uk>.
>
>
> Hi,
>
> is there a way to override the default
> page object with one that can deliver framesets?
>
> if so, can someone give me a hint
> how to it?
>
Just use the VelocityOnlyLayout. This should work. I think. ???
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Page Object and Frames
Posted by Heiko Braun <he...@fork.de>.
Hi,
is there a way to override the default
page object with one that can deliver framesets?
if so, can someone give me a hint
how to it?
tnx in advance,
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Re: Multiple Languages
Posted by Heiko Braun <he...@fork.de>.
hi albi,
i am currently on a project with similar requirements
and it would help a lot, if you could offer some hints
on using the build in Localisation.
regards,
--
heiko braun, fork unstable media
http://www.unstablemedia.com
On Wed, 15 Aug 2001, Albrecht F. Leiprecht wrote:
> > Does anyone have any good tips or tricks on how to implement turbine
> > applications that have to display their web pages in multiple languages?
> > I have a requirement to build a simple application that can display its
> > interface in Dutch (ugh! =;o) ) or English, and I'm sure somebody out
> > there must have run into similar problems and has already come up with a
> > nifty solution.
>
> We are currently working on a site with multilanguage support, where we use
> Turbine's built in Localization service.
>
> We are currently using german and english based on the browserlanguage...
>
> is it that what you need ?? If so, I will try to guide you. It's quite easy
> :)
>
> rgds
> albi
>
>
>
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Re: Multiple Languages
Posted by "Albrecht F. Leiprecht" <al...@mail.ccc-casino.com>.
> Does anyone have any good tips or tricks on how to implement turbine
> applications that have to display their web pages in multiple languages?
> I have a requirement to build a simple application that can display its
> interface in Dutch (ugh! =;o) ) or English, and I'm sure somebody out
> there must have run into similar problems and has already come up with a
> nifty solution.
We are currently working on a site with multilanguage support, where we use
Turbine's built in Localization service.
We are currently using german and english based on the browserlanguage...
is it that what you need ?? If so, I will try to guide you. It's quite easy
:)
rgds
albi
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