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[Question] What is the difference between Embedded and SingleLeaderElectionService?

Hi devs,

I found that these two classes are quite similar except
SingleLeaderElectionService has a pre-config leader id.

However, I don't see use points of that leader id. Also
a random UUID would work as a DEFAULT_LEADER_ID(0).
I consider whether we could replace SingleLeaderElectionService
with EmbeddedLeaderElectionService, or merge.

Best,
tison.

Re: [Question] What is the difference between Embedded and SingleLeaderElectionService?

Posted by Zili Chen <wa...@gmail.com>.

Thanks for your explanation :)

Best,
tison.


Till Rohrmann <tr...@apache.org> 于2019年8月6日周二 下午3:42写道：

> If you use the StandaloneHaServices, then you have to define the
> `rest.bind-port` upfront. Hence, picking a random port, won't work.
>
> Cheers,
> Till
>
> On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 2:49 AM Zili Chen <wa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Thanks for your reply. Let me rephrase the question,
> > is it possible to configure rest.bind-port to "0",
> > i.e., resolved at the runtime, in standalone mode?
> >
> > The problem is that the resolution is after the
> > construction of standalone ha service which requires
> > a known bind-port.
> >
> > See also(at f75d8e1fbb16ba08ab5a625f50e988c708a8a2bf)
> >
> > (port resolved at)
> > RestServerEndpoint.start:191 (depends on)
> > AbstractDispatcherResourceManagerComponentFactory.create:162 (requires ha
> > service)
> > StandaloneHaService.<init>:70 (requires web monitor address, including
> the
> > port)
> >
> > Best,
> > tison.
> >
> >
> > Till Rohrmann <tr...@apache.org> 于2019年8月5日周一 下午9:28写道：
> >
> > > Not sure whether I fully understood the question but if you are asking
> > how
> > > the StandaloneHaServices notify its listeners about a changed REST
> > endpoint
> > > address, then this is not possible. The StandaloneHaServices do not
> > > tolerate failures of the Dispatcher, ResourceManager, JobMaster or
> > > WebMonitorEndpoint. The contract is that the addresses stored in the
> > > StandaloneHaServices don't change. Hence, if you want to enable HA for
> > the
> > > MiniCluster, then one would have to start a ZooKeeper cluster without
> the
> > > EmbeddedLeaderService.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Till
> > >
> > > On Mon, Aug 5, 2019 at 1:52 PM Zili Chen <wa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Yes I can understand the idea.
> > > >
> > > > One more question, as you mentioned, the EmbeddedLeaderService
> > > > is not needed. However, from our current codebase, if we configure
> > > > rest.bind-port as "0", i.e., resolve the port at the runtime,
> > > > we actually resolve the port on WebMonitorEndpoint#start.
> > > > But WebMonitorEndpoint#<init> requires HaService and
> > > > StandaloneHaService#<init> requires pre-configured port.
> > > >
> > > > How we fits this scenario into StandaloneHaService instead of
> > > > EmbeddedLeaderService which publish leader host:port at the
> > > > runtime?
> > > >
> > > > Best,
> > > > tison.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Till Rohrmann <tr...@apache.org> 于2019年8月5日周一 下午7:29写道：
> > > >
> > > > > The idea of the EmbeddedLeaderService is to give you ZooKeeper like
> > > high
> > > > > availability if all components run inside of the same process. That
> > way
> > > > it
> > > > > is also easy to test HA functionality without having to start
> > > ZooKeeper.
> > > > >
> > > > > Technically, the EmbeddedLeaderService is not needed but it is very
> > > handy
> > > > > to have.
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > Till
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, Aug 5, 2019 at 10:43 AM Zili Chen <wa...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Investigated the usage of EmbeddedLeaderService, as
> > > > > > you said, it is mainly used in MiniCluster.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The difference between EmbeddedLeaderService and
> > > > > > ZooKeeperLeader(Election|Retrieval)Service is that
> > > > > > the latter uses component host and port pre-configured
> > > > > > while the former configured at the runtime.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm not sure when proceeding FLINK-10333 whether
> > > > > > implement such a in memory leader election service
> > > > > > or let MiniCluster use the standalone one is preferred.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Best,
> > > > > > tison.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Zili Chen <wa...@gmail.com> 于2019年8月5日周一 下午4:39写道：
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi Till,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > SingleLeaderElectionService is an effectively subclass of
> > > > > > > EmbeddedLeaderService. The merge work can be done as the
> > > > > > > minor patch attached.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I came into this area when working on FLINK-10333, implementing
> > > > > > > LeaderElectionService as the document describes. I noticed that
> > > > > > > besides Standalone and ZooKeeper implementation there is an
> > > > > > > in memory LeaderElectionService, EmbeddedLeaderService.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Before thinking whether it could be replace with the Standalone
> > > > > > > one, I found SingleLeaderElectionService which is an
> effectively
> > > > > > > subclass of it. Thus I started this issue to hear from the
> > > > > > > community.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Best,
> > > > > > > tison.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Till Rohrmann <tr...@apache.org> 于2019年8月2日周五 下午5:59写道：
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> I think at the moment SingleLeaderElectionService is not
> really
> > > used
> > > > > > since
> > > > > > >> it is part of the YarnIntraNonHaMasterServices. The idea of
> > these
> > > ha
> > > > > > >> services was to offer a different ha implementation which
> > slightly
> > > > > > >> different guarantees. Concretely, the
> > YarnIntraNonHaMasterServices
> > > > > > handle
> > > > > > >> operator and TaskManager faults but not master faults.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> The EmbeddedHaServices are only used by the MiniCluster.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> I'm not so sure whether the refactoring is so easy because
> > > > > > >> EmbeddedLeaderElectionService is an inner class of
> > > > > EmbeddedLeaderService
> > > > > > >> and calls methods of this class. Why do you wanna change
> > anything
> > > > > there?
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Cheers,
> > > > > > >> Till
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 6:33 AM Zili Chen <
> wander4096@gmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> > Hi devs,
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > I found that these two classes are quite similar except
> > > > > > >> > SingleLeaderElectionService has a pre-config leader id.
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > However, I don't see use points of that leader id. Also
> > > > > > >> > a random UUID would work as a DEFAULT_LEADER_ID(0).
> > > > > > >> > I consider whether we could replace
> > SingleLeaderElectionService
> > > > > > >> > with EmbeddedLeaderElectionService, or merge.
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > Best,
> > > > > > >> > tison.
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: [Question] What is the difference between Embedded and SingleLeaderElectionService?

Posted by Till Rohrmann <tr...@apache.org>.

If you use the StandaloneHaServices, then you have to define the
`rest.bind-port` upfront. Hence, picking a random port, won't work.

Cheers,
Till

On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 2:49 AM Zili Chen <wa...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks for your reply. Let me rephrase the question,
> is it possible to configure rest.bind-port to "0",
> i.e., resolved at the runtime, in standalone mode?
>
> The problem is that the resolution is after the
> construction of standalone ha service which requires
> a known bind-port.
>
> See also(at f75d8e1fbb16ba08ab5a625f50e988c708a8a2bf)
>
> (port resolved at)
> RestServerEndpoint.start:191 (depends on)
> AbstractDispatcherResourceManagerComponentFactory.create:162 (requires ha
> service)
> StandaloneHaService.<init>:70 (requires web monitor address, including the
> port)
>
> Best,
> tison.
>
>
> Till Rohrmann <tr...@apache.org> 于2019年8月5日周一 下午9:28写道：
>
> > Not sure whether I fully understood the question but if you are asking
> how
> > the StandaloneHaServices notify its listeners about a changed REST
> endpoint
> > address, then this is not possible. The StandaloneHaServices do not
> > tolerate failures of the Dispatcher, ResourceManager, JobMaster or
> > WebMonitorEndpoint. The contract is that the addresses stored in the
> > StandaloneHaServices don't change. Hence, if you want to enable HA for
> the
> > MiniCluster, then one would have to start a ZooKeeper cluster without the
> > EmbeddedLeaderService.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Till
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 5, 2019 at 1:52 PM Zili Chen <wa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Yes I can understand the idea.
> > >
> > > One more question, as you mentioned, the EmbeddedLeaderService
> > > is not needed. However, from our current codebase, if we configure
> > > rest.bind-port as "0", i.e., resolve the port at the runtime,
> > > we actually resolve the port on WebMonitorEndpoint#start.
> > > But WebMonitorEndpoint#<init> requires HaService and
> > > StandaloneHaService#<init> requires pre-configured port.
> > >
> > > How we fits this scenario into StandaloneHaService instead of
> > > EmbeddedLeaderService which publish leader host:port at the
> > > runtime?
> > >
> > > Best,
> > > tison.
> > >
> > >
> > > Till Rohrmann <tr...@apache.org> 于2019年8月5日周一 下午7:29写道：
> > >
> > > > The idea of the EmbeddedLeaderService is to give you ZooKeeper like
> > high
> > > > availability if all components run inside of the same process. That
> way
> > > it
> > > > is also easy to test HA functionality without having to start
> > ZooKeeper.
> > > >
> > > > Technically, the EmbeddedLeaderService is not needed but it is very
> > handy
> > > > to have.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Till
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Aug 5, 2019 at 10:43 AM Zili Chen <wa...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Investigated the usage of EmbeddedLeaderService, as
> > > > > you said, it is mainly used in MiniCluster.
> > > > >
> > > > > The difference between EmbeddedLeaderService and
> > > > > ZooKeeperLeader(Election|Retrieval)Service is that
> > > > > the latter uses component host and port pre-configured
> > > > > while the former configured at the runtime.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm not sure when proceeding FLINK-10333 whether
> > > > > implement such a in memory leader election service
> > > > > or let MiniCluster use the standalone one is preferred.
> > > > >
> > > > > Best,
> > > > > tison.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Zili Chen <wa...@gmail.com> 于2019年8月5日周一 下午4:39写道：
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Till,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > SingleLeaderElectionService is an effectively subclass of
> > > > > > EmbeddedLeaderService. The merge work can be done as the
> > > > > > minor patch attached.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I came into this area when working on FLINK-10333, implementing
> > > > > > LeaderElectionService as the document describes. I noticed that
> > > > > > besides Standalone and ZooKeeper implementation there is an
> > > > > > in memory LeaderElectionService, EmbeddedLeaderService.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Before thinking whether it could be replace with the Standalone
> > > > > > one, I found SingleLeaderElectionService which is an effectively
> > > > > > subclass of it. Thus I started this issue to hear from the
> > > > > > community.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Best,
> > > > > > tison.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Till Rohrmann <tr...@apache.org> 于2019年8月2日周五 下午5:59写道：
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> I think at the moment SingleLeaderElectionService is not really
> > used
> > > > > since
> > > > > >> it is part of the YarnIntraNonHaMasterServices. The idea of
> these
> > ha
> > > > > >> services was to offer a different ha implementation which
> slightly
> > > > > >> different guarantees. Concretely, the
> YarnIntraNonHaMasterServices
> > > > > handle
> > > > > >> operator and TaskManager faults but not master faults.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> The EmbeddedHaServices are only used by the MiniCluster.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> I'm not so sure whether the refactoring is so easy because
> > > > > >> EmbeddedLeaderElectionService is an inner class of
> > > > EmbeddedLeaderService
> > > > > >> and calls methods of this class. Why do you wanna change
> anything
> > > > there?
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Cheers,
> > > > > >> Till
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 6:33 AM Zili Chen <wa...@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> > Hi devs,
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > I found that these two classes are quite similar except
> > > > > >> > SingleLeaderElectionService has a pre-config leader id.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > However, I don't see use points of that leader id. Also
> > > > > >> > a random UUID would work as a DEFAULT_LEADER_ID(0).
> > > > > >> > I consider whether we could replace
> SingleLeaderElectionService
> > > > > >> > with EmbeddedLeaderElectionService, or merge.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > Best,
> > > > > >> > tison.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: [Question] What is the difference between Embedded and SingleLeaderElectionService?

Posted by Zili Chen <wa...@gmail.com>.

Thanks for your reply. Let me rephrase the question,
is it possible to configure rest.bind-port to "0",
i.e., resolved at the runtime, in standalone mode?

The problem is that the resolution is after the
construction of standalone ha service which requires
a known bind-port.

See also(at f75d8e1fbb16ba08ab5a625f50e988c708a8a2bf)

(port resolved at)
RestServerEndpoint.start:191 (depends on)
AbstractDispatcherResourceManagerComponentFactory.create:162 (requires ha
service)
StandaloneHaService.<init>:70 (requires web monitor address, including the
port)

Best,
tison.


Till Rohrmann <tr...@apache.org> 于2019年8月5日周一 下午9:28写道：

> Not sure whether I fully understood the question but if you are asking how
> the StandaloneHaServices notify its listeners about a changed REST endpoint
> address, then this is not possible. The StandaloneHaServices do not
> tolerate failures of the Dispatcher, ResourceManager, JobMaster or
> WebMonitorEndpoint. The contract is that the addresses stored in the
> StandaloneHaServices don't change. Hence, if you want to enable HA for the
> MiniCluster, then one would have to start a ZooKeeper cluster without the
> EmbeddedLeaderService.
>
> Cheers,
> Till
>
> On Mon, Aug 5, 2019 at 1:52 PM Zili Chen <wa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Yes I can understand the idea.
> >
> > One more question, as you mentioned, the EmbeddedLeaderService
> > is not needed. However, from our current codebase, if we configure
> > rest.bind-port as "0", i.e., resolve the port at the runtime,
> > we actually resolve the port on WebMonitorEndpoint#start.
> > But WebMonitorEndpoint#<init> requires HaService and
> > StandaloneHaService#<init> requires pre-configured port.
> >
> > How we fits this scenario into StandaloneHaService instead of
> > EmbeddedLeaderService which publish leader host:port at the
> > runtime?
> >
> > Best,
> > tison.
> >
> >
> > Till Rohrmann <tr...@apache.org> 于2019年8月5日周一 下午7:29写道：
> >
> > > The idea of the EmbeddedLeaderService is to give you ZooKeeper like
> high
> > > availability if all components run inside of the same process. That way
> > it
> > > is also easy to test HA functionality without having to start
> ZooKeeper.
> > >
> > > Technically, the EmbeddedLeaderService is not needed but it is very
> handy
> > > to have.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Till
> > >
> > > On Mon, Aug 5, 2019 at 10:43 AM Zili Chen <wa...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Investigated the usage of EmbeddedLeaderService, as
> > > > you said, it is mainly used in MiniCluster.
> > > >
> > > > The difference between EmbeddedLeaderService and
> > > > ZooKeeperLeader(Election|Retrieval)Service is that
> > > > the latter uses component host and port pre-configured
> > > > while the former configured at the runtime.
> > > >
> > > > I'm not sure when proceeding FLINK-10333 whether
> > > > implement such a in memory leader election service
> > > > or let MiniCluster use the standalone one is preferred.
> > > >
> > > > Best,
> > > > tison.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Zili Chen <wa...@gmail.com> 于2019年8月5日周一 下午4:39写道：
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Till,
> > > > >
> > > > > SingleLeaderElectionService is an effectively subclass of
> > > > > EmbeddedLeaderService. The merge work can be done as the
> > > > > minor patch attached.
> > > > >
> > > > > I came into this area when working on FLINK-10333, implementing
> > > > > LeaderElectionService as the document describes. I noticed that
> > > > > besides Standalone and ZooKeeper implementation there is an
> > > > > in memory LeaderElectionService, EmbeddedLeaderService.
> > > > >
> > > > > Before thinking whether it could be replace with the Standalone
> > > > > one, I found SingleLeaderElectionService which is an effectively
> > > > > subclass of it. Thus I started this issue to hear from the
> > > > > community.
> > > > >
> > > > > Best,
> > > > > tison.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Till Rohrmann <tr...@apache.org> 于2019年8月2日周五 下午5:59写道：
> > > > >
> > > > >> I think at the moment SingleLeaderElectionService is not really
> used
> > > > since
> > > > >> it is part of the YarnIntraNonHaMasterServices. The idea of these
> ha
> > > > >> services was to offer a different ha implementation which slightly
> > > > >> different guarantees. Concretely, the YarnIntraNonHaMasterServices
> > > > handle
> > > > >> operator and TaskManager faults but not master faults.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> The EmbeddedHaServices are only used by the MiniCluster.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I'm not so sure whether the refactoring is so easy because
> > > > >> EmbeddedLeaderElectionService is an inner class of
> > > EmbeddedLeaderService
> > > > >> and calls methods of this class. Why do you wanna change anything
> > > there?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Cheers,
> > > > >> Till
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 6:33 AM Zili Chen <wa...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > Hi devs,
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > I found that these two classes are quite similar except
> > > > >> > SingleLeaderElectionService has a pre-config leader id.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > However, I don't see use points of that leader id. Also
> > > > >> > a random UUID would work as a DEFAULT_LEADER_ID(0).
> > > > >> > I consider whether we could replace SingleLeaderElectionService
> > > > >> > with EmbeddedLeaderElectionService, or merge.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Best,
> > > > >> > tison.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: [Question] What is the difference between Embedded and SingleLeaderElectionService?

Posted by Till Rohrmann <tr...@apache.org>.

Not sure whether I fully understood the question but if you are asking how
the StandaloneHaServices notify its listeners about a changed REST endpoint
address, then this is not possible. The StandaloneHaServices do not
tolerate failures of the Dispatcher, ResourceManager, JobMaster or
WebMonitorEndpoint. The contract is that the addresses stored in the
StandaloneHaServices don't change. Hence, if you want to enable HA for the
MiniCluster, then one would have to start a ZooKeeper cluster without the
EmbeddedLeaderService.

Cheers,
Till

On Mon, Aug 5, 2019 at 1:52 PM Zili Chen <wa...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Yes I can understand the idea.
>
> One more question, as you mentioned, the EmbeddedLeaderService
> is not needed. However, from our current codebase, if we configure
> rest.bind-port as "0", i.e., resolve the port at the runtime,
> we actually resolve the port on WebMonitorEndpoint#start.
> But WebMonitorEndpoint#<init> requires HaService and
> StandaloneHaService#<init> requires pre-configured port.
>
> How we fits this scenario into StandaloneHaService instead of
> EmbeddedLeaderService which publish leader host:port at the
> runtime?
>
> Best,
> tison.
>
>
> Till Rohrmann <tr...@apache.org> 于2019年8月5日周一 下午7:29写道：
>
> > The idea of the EmbeddedLeaderService is to give you ZooKeeper like high
> > availability if all components run inside of the same process. That way
> it
> > is also easy to test HA functionality without having to start ZooKeeper.
> >
> > Technically, the EmbeddedLeaderService is not needed but it is very handy
> > to have.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Till
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 5, 2019 at 10:43 AM Zili Chen <wa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Investigated the usage of EmbeddedLeaderService, as
> > > you said, it is mainly used in MiniCluster.
> > >
> > > The difference between EmbeddedLeaderService and
> > > ZooKeeperLeader(Election|Retrieval)Service is that
> > > the latter uses component host and port pre-configured
> > > while the former configured at the runtime.
> > >
> > > I'm not sure when proceeding FLINK-10333 whether
> > > implement such a in memory leader election service
> > > or let MiniCluster use the standalone one is preferred.
> > >
> > > Best,
> > > tison.
> > >
> > >
> > > Zili Chen <wa...@gmail.com> 于2019年8月5日周一 下午4:39写道：
> > >
> > > > Hi Till,
> > > >
> > > > SingleLeaderElectionService is an effectively subclass of
> > > > EmbeddedLeaderService. The merge work can be done as the
> > > > minor patch attached.
> > > >
> > > > I came into this area when working on FLINK-10333, implementing
> > > > LeaderElectionService as the document describes. I noticed that
> > > > besides Standalone and ZooKeeper implementation there is an
> > > > in memory LeaderElectionService, EmbeddedLeaderService.
> > > >
> > > > Before thinking whether it could be replace with the Standalone
> > > > one, I found SingleLeaderElectionService which is an effectively
> > > > subclass of it. Thus I started this issue to hear from the
> > > > community.
> > > >
> > > > Best,
> > > > tison.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Till Rohrmann <tr...@apache.org> 于2019年8月2日周五 下午5:59写道：
> > > >
> > > >> I think at the moment SingleLeaderElectionService is not really used
> > > since
> > > >> it is part of the YarnIntraNonHaMasterServices. The idea of these ha
> > > >> services was to offer a different ha implementation which slightly
> > > >> different guarantees. Concretely, the YarnIntraNonHaMasterServices
> > > handle
> > > >> operator and TaskManager faults but not master faults.
> > > >>
> > > >> The EmbeddedHaServices are only used by the MiniCluster.
> > > >>
> > > >> I'm not so sure whether the refactoring is so easy because
> > > >> EmbeddedLeaderElectionService is an inner class of
> > EmbeddedLeaderService
> > > >> and calls methods of this class. Why do you wanna change anything
> > there?
> > > >>
> > > >> Cheers,
> > > >> Till
> > > >>
> > > >> On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 6:33 AM Zili Chen <wa...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> > Hi devs,
> > > >> >
> > > >> > I found that these two classes are quite similar except
> > > >> > SingleLeaderElectionService has a pre-config leader id.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > However, I don't see use points of that leader id. Also
> > > >> > a random UUID would work as a DEFAULT_LEADER_ID(0).
> > > >> > I consider whether we could replace SingleLeaderElectionService
> > > >> > with EmbeddedLeaderElectionService, or merge.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Best,
> > > >> > tison.
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: [Question] What is the difference between Embedded and SingleLeaderElectionService?

Posted by Zili Chen <wa...@gmail.com>.

Yes I can understand the idea.

One more question, as you mentioned, the EmbeddedLeaderService
is not needed. However, from our current codebase, if we configure
rest.bind-port as "0", i.e., resolve the port at the runtime,
we actually resolve the port on WebMonitorEndpoint#start.
But WebMonitorEndpoint#<init> requires HaService and
StandaloneHaService#<init> requires pre-configured port.

How we fits this scenario into StandaloneHaService instead of
EmbeddedLeaderService which publish leader host:port at the
runtime?

Best,
tison.


Till Rohrmann <tr...@apache.org> 于2019年8月5日周一 下午7:29写道：

> The idea of the EmbeddedLeaderService is to give you ZooKeeper like high
> availability if all components run inside of the same process. That way it
> is also easy to test HA functionality without having to start ZooKeeper.
>
> Technically, the EmbeddedLeaderService is not needed but it is very handy
> to have.
>
> Cheers,
> Till
>
> On Mon, Aug 5, 2019 at 10:43 AM Zili Chen <wa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Investigated the usage of EmbeddedLeaderService, as
> > you said, it is mainly used in MiniCluster.
> >
> > The difference between EmbeddedLeaderService and
> > ZooKeeperLeader(Election|Retrieval)Service is that
> > the latter uses component host and port pre-configured
> > while the former configured at the runtime.
> >
> > I'm not sure when proceeding FLINK-10333 whether
> > implement such a in memory leader election service
> > or let MiniCluster use the standalone one is preferred.
> >
> > Best,
> > tison.
> >
> >
> > Zili Chen <wa...@gmail.com> 于2019年8月5日周一 下午4:39写道：
> >
> > > Hi Till,
> > >
> > > SingleLeaderElectionService is an effectively subclass of
> > > EmbeddedLeaderService. The merge work can be done as the
> > > minor patch attached.
> > >
> > > I came into this area when working on FLINK-10333, implementing
> > > LeaderElectionService as the document describes. I noticed that
> > > besides Standalone and ZooKeeper implementation there is an
> > > in memory LeaderElectionService, EmbeddedLeaderService.
> > >
> > > Before thinking whether it could be replace with the Standalone
> > > one, I found SingleLeaderElectionService which is an effectively
> > > subclass of it. Thus I started this issue to hear from the
> > > community.
> > >
> > > Best,
> > > tison.
> > >
> > >
> > > Till Rohrmann <tr...@apache.org> 于2019年8月2日周五 下午5:59写道：
> > >
> > >> I think at the moment SingleLeaderElectionService is not really used
> > since
> > >> it is part of the YarnIntraNonHaMasterServices. The idea of these ha
> > >> services was to offer a different ha implementation which slightly
> > >> different guarantees. Concretely, the YarnIntraNonHaMasterServices
> > handle
> > >> operator and TaskManager faults but not master faults.
> > >>
> > >> The EmbeddedHaServices are only used by the MiniCluster.
> > >>
> > >> I'm not so sure whether the refactoring is so easy because
> > >> EmbeddedLeaderElectionService is an inner class of
> EmbeddedLeaderService
> > >> and calls methods of this class. Why do you wanna change anything
> there?
> > >>
> > >> Cheers,
> > >> Till
> > >>
> > >> On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 6:33 AM Zili Chen <wa...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > Hi devs,
> > >> >
> > >> > I found that these two classes are quite similar except
> > >> > SingleLeaderElectionService has a pre-config leader id.
> > >> >
> > >> > However, I don't see use points of that leader id. Also
> > >> > a random UUID would work as a DEFAULT_LEADER_ID(0).
> > >> > I consider whether we could replace SingleLeaderElectionService
> > >> > with EmbeddedLeaderElectionService, or merge.
> > >> >
> > >> > Best,
> > >> > tison.
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >
> >
>

Re: [Question] What is the difference between Embedded and SingleLeaderElectionService?

Posted by Till Rohrmann <tr...@apache.org>.

The idea of the EmbeddedLeaderService is to give you ZooKeeper like high
availability if all components run inside of the same process. That way it
is also easy to test HA functionality without having to start ZooKeeper.

Technically, the EmbeddedLeaderService is not needed but it is very handy
to have.

Cheers,
Till

On Mon, Aug 5, 2019 at 10:43 AM Zili Chen <wa...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Investigated the usage of EmbeddedLeaderService, as
> you said, it is mainly used in MiniCluster.
>
> The difference between EmbeddedLeaderService and
> ZooKeeperLeader(Election|Retrieval)Service is that
> the latter uses component host and port pre-configured
> while the former configured at the runtime.
>
> I'm not sure when proceeding FLINK-10333 whether
> implement such a in memory leader election service
> or let MiniCluster use the standalone one is preferred.
>
> Best,
> tison.
>
>
> Zili Chen <wa...@gmail.com> 于2019年8月5日周一 下午4:39写道：
>
> > Hi Till,
> >
> > SingleLeaderElectionService is an effectively subclass of
> > EmbeddedLeaderService. The merge work can be done as the
> > minor patch attached.
> >
> > I came into this area when working on FLINK-10333, implementing
> > LeaderElectionService as the document describes. I noticed that
> > besides Standalone and ZooKeeper implementation there is an
> > in memory LeaderElectionService, EmbeddedLeaderService.
> >
> > Before thinking whether it could be replace with the Standalone
> > one, I found SingleLeaderElectionService which is an effectively
> > subclass of it. Thus I started this issue to hear from the
> > community.
> >
> > Best,
> > tison.
> >
> >
> > Till Rohrmann <tr...@apache.org> 于2019年8月2日周五 下午5:59写道：
> >
> >> I think at the moment SingleLeaderElectionService is not really used
> since
> >> it is part of the YarnIntraNonHaMasterServices. The idea of these ha
> >> services was to offer a different ha implementation which slightly
> >> different guarantees. Concretely, the YarnIntraNonHaMasterServices
> handle
> >> operator and TaskManager faults but not master faults.
> >>
> >> The EmbeddedHaServices are only used by the MiniCluster.
> >>
> >> I'm not so sure whether the refactoring is so easy because
> >> EmbeddedLeaderElectionService is an inner class of EmbeddedLeaderService
> >> and calls methods of this class. Why do you wanna change anything there?
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Till
> >>
> >> On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 6:33 AM Zili Chen <wa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Hi devs,
> >> >
> >> > I found that these two classes are quite similar except
> >> > SingleLeaderElectionService has a pre-config leader id.
> >> >
> >> > However, I don't see use points of that leader id. Also
> >> > a random UUID would work as a DEFAULT_LEADER_ID(0).
> >> > I consider whether we could replace SingleLeaderElectionService
> >> > with EmbeddedLeaderElectionService, or merge.
> >> >
> >> > Best,
> >> > tison.
> >> >
> >>
> >
>

Re: [Question] What is the difference between Embedded and SingleLeaderElectionService?

Posted by Zili Chen <wa...@gmail.com>.

Investigated the usage of EmbeddedLeaderService, as
you said, it is mainly used in MiniCluster.

The difference between EmbeddedLeaderService and
ZooKeeperLeader(Election|Retrieval)Service is that
the latter uses component host and port pre-configured
while the former configured at the runtime.

I'm not sure when proceeding FLINK-10333 whether
implement such a in memory leader election service
or let MiniCluster use the standalone one is preferred.

Best,
tison.


Zili Chen <wa...@gmail.com> 于2019年8月5日周一 下午4:39写道：

> Hi Till,
>
> SingleLeaderElectionService is an effectively subclass of
> EmbeddedLeaderService. The merge work can be done as the
> minor patch attached.
>
> I came into this area when working on FLINK-10333, implementing
> LeaderElectionService as the document describes. I noticed that
> besides Standalone and ZooKeeper implementation there is an
> in memory LeaderElectionService, EmbeddedLeaderService.
>
> Before thinking whether it could be replace with the Standalone
> one, I found SingleLeaderElectionService which is an effectively
> subclass of it. Thus I started this issue to hear from the
> community.
>
> Best,
> tison.
>
>
> Till Rohrmann <tr...@apache.org> 于2019年8月2日周五 下午5:59写道：
>
>> I think at the moment SingleLeaderElectionService is not really used since
>> it is part of the YarnIntraNonHaMasterServices. The idea of these ha
>> services was to offer a different ha implementation which slightly
>> different guarantees. Concretely, the YarnIntraNonHaMasterServices handle
>> operator and TaskManager faults but not master faults.
>>
>> The EmbeddedHaServices are only used by the MiniCluster.
>>
>> I'm not so sure whether the refactoring is so easy because
>> EmbeddedLeaderElectionService is an inner class of EmbeddedLeaderService
>> and calls methods of this class. Why do you wanna change anything there?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Till
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 6:33 AM Zili Chen <wa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Hi devs,
>> >
>> > I found that these two classes are quite similar except
>> > SingleLeaderElectionService has a pre-config leader id.
>> >
>> > However, I don't see use points of that leader id. Also
>> > a random UUID would work as a DEFAULT_LEADER_ID(0).
>> > I consider whether we could replace SingleLeaderElectionService
>> > with EmbeddedLeaderElectionService, or merge.
>> >
>> > Best,
>> > tison.
>> >
>>
>

Re: [Question] What is the difference between Embedded and SingleLeaderElectionService?

Posted by Zili Chen <wa...@gmail.com>.

Hi Till,

SingleLeaderElectionService is an effectively subclass of
EmbeddedLeaderService. The merge work can be done as the
minor patch attached.

I came into this area when working on FLINK-10333, implementing
LeaderElectionService as the document describes. I noticed that
besides Standalone and ZooKeeper implementation there is an
in memory LeaderElectionService, EmbeddedLeaderService.

Before thinking whether it could be replace with the Standalone
one, I found SingleLeaderElectionService which is an effectively
subclass of it. Thus I started this issue to hear from the
community.

Best,
tison.

Till Rohrmann <tr...@apache.org> 于2019年8月2日周五 下午5:59写道：

> I think at the moment SingleLeaderElectionService is not really used since
> it is part of the YarnIntraNonHaMasterServices. The idea of these ha
> services was to offer a different ha implementation which slightly
> different guarantees. Concretely, the YarnIntraNonHaMasterServices handle
> operator and TaskManager faults but not master faults.
>
> The EmbeddedHaServices are only used by the MiniCluster.
>
> I'm not so sure whether the refactoring is so easy because
> EmbeddedLeaderElectionService is an inner class of EmbeddedLeaderService
> and calls methods of this class. Why do you wanna change anything there?
>
> Cheers,
> Till
>
> On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 6:33 AM Zili Chen <wa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi devs,
> >
> > I found that these two classes are quite similar except
> > SingleLeaderElectionService has a pre-config leader id.
> >
> > However, I don't see use points of that leader id. Also
> > a random UUID would work as a DEFAULT_LEADER_ID(0).
> > I consider whether we could replace SingleLeaderElectionService
> > with EmbeddedLeaderElectionService, or merge.
> >
> > Best,
> > tison.
> >
>

Re: [Question] What is the difference between Embedded and SingleLeaderElectionService?

Posted by Till Rohrmann <tr...@apache.org>.

I think at the moment SingleLeaderElectionService is not really used since
it is part of the YarnIntraNonHaMasterServices. The idea of these ha
services was to offer a different ha implementation which slightly
different guarantees. Concretely, the YarnIntraNonHaMasterServices handle
operator and TaskManager faults but not master faults.

The EmbeddedHaServices are only used by the MiniCluster.

I'm not so sure whether the refactoring is so easy because
EmbeddedLeaderElectionService is an inner class of EmbeddedLeaderService
and calls methods of this class. Why do you wanna change anything there?

Cheers,
Till

On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 6:33 AM Zili Chen <wa...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi devs,
>
> I found that these two classes are quite similar except
> SingleLeaderElectionService has a pre-config leader id.
>
> However, I don't see use points of that leader id. Also
> a random UUID would work as a DEFAULT_LEADER_ID(0).
> I consider whether we could replace SingleLeaderElectionService
> with EmbeddedLeaderElectionService, or merge.
>
> Best,
> tison.
>