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Posted to slide-dev@jakarta.apache.org by Rick Ross <ri...@stupendousman.com> on 2002/09/02 00:35:00 UTC
Workflow
Good Morning all,
I have just subscribed to this list, and I realize this is the developers
list.
I am interested to know what thinking is going on with Slide and workflow.
I've built a couple of workflow engines in my time, and while I am no
expert, that never stops me from having strong opinions on the subject.
In my spare time, I am working on a project that intends to use slide as a
persistence mechanism. One of the indentitied tasks in the project is
workflow.
I see that it is low priority for you, but it is a bit higher priority for
me and I have some time, so I would like to see if I could help.
Rick Ross
rick@stupendousman.com
ICQ : 40796968
"Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel"
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Re: Workflow
Posted by Nicola Ken Barozzi <ni...@apache.org>.
Rick Ross wrote:
> I now see that the Jakarta Sandbox (was: Scratchpad) has a workflow
> component. Is anyone already familiar with that component? The freshest
> code there is 7 months old and I suspect it could be called 'in progress'
IIUC it's not what we intend by workflow.
It's more about cross-invocation actions...
> I suggest that we begin gathering requirements, from the people on this list
> first. Meanwhile some examination of what exists should be undertaken.
http://www.javalobby.com/thread.jsp?forum=17&thread=3926
http://pharos.inria.fr/Java/query.jsp?cids=c_2157&hist=mids%3Dc_107%26types%3DPublication
<
> I'm happy to attempt to compile the the requirements. Should/Can I post
> some requirements web pages to the Sandbox?
Sure.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nicola Ken Barozzi" <ni...@apache.org>
> To: "Slide Developers Mailing List" <sl...@jakarta.apache.org>
> Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 12:47 PM
> Subject: Re: Workflow
>
>
>
>>Christophe Lombart wrote:
>>
>>>I have the same interest. It should be nice if some slide developers can
>>
> give
>
>>>some idea on the workflow specification.
>>>By this way, we can make a prototype based on it. Rick and myself are
>>>interested. I'm sure that other users will be.
>>>
>>>Is it too early to speak about the Slide workflow ? I can also help on
>>
> this
>
>>>area.
>>
>>Scarab scarab.tigris.org is also in the need of a workflow engine.
>>
>>If someone wants to start on it, Jakarta Commons Scratchpad is ready for
>>contributions :-)
>>
>>If anyone needs help over there for committing patches or helping out
>>just send the patches to me to the commons list and I will help you
>>getting it going.
>>
>>
>>>Christophe
>>>
>>>Rick Ross wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Good Morning all,
>>>>
>>>>I have just subscribed to this list, and I realize this is the
>>>
> developers
>
>>>>list.
>>>>
>>>>I am interested to know what thinking is going on with Slide and
>>>
> workflow.
>
>>>>I've built a couple of workflow engines in my time, and while I am no
>>>>expert, that never stops me from having strong opinions on the subject.
>>>>
>>>>In my spare time, I am working on a project that intends to use slide as
>>>
> a
>
>>>>persistence mechanism. One of the indentitied tasks in the project is
>>>>workflow.
>>>>
>>>>I see that it is low priority for you, but it is a bit higher priority
>>>
> for
>
>>>>me and I have some time, so I would like to see if I could help.
>>>>
>>>>Rick Ross
>>>>rick@stupendousman.com
>>>>ICQ : 40796968
>>>
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Re: Workflow
Posted by Christophe Lombart <ch...@skynet.be>.
Can we have by mail (post on this list) your principal requirements ?
Do you plan to make a generic workflow component or a more CMS oriented workflow
component ?
Rick Ross wrote:
> I now see that the Jakarta Sandbox (was: Scratchpad) has a workflow
> component. Is anyone already familiar with that component? The freshest
> code there is 7 months old and I suspect it could be called 'in progress'
>
> I suggest that we begin gathering requirements, from the people on this list
> first. Meanwhile some examination of what exists should be undertaken.
> I'm happy to attempt to compile the the requirements. Should/Can I post
> some requirements web pages to the Sandbox?
>
> R
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nicola Ken Barozzi" <ni...@apache.org>
> To: "Slide Developers Mailing List" <sl...@jakarta.apache.org>
> Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 12:47 PM
> Subject: Re: Workflow
>
> >
> > Christophe Lombart wrote:
> > > I have the same interest. It should be nice if some slide developers can
> give
> > > some idea on the workflow specification.
> > > By this way, we can make a prototype based on it. Rick and myself are
> > > interested. I'm sure that other users will be.
> > >
> > > Is it too early to speak about the Slide workflow ? I can also help on
> this
> > > area.
> >
> > Scarab scarab.tigris.org is also in the need of a workflow engine.
> >
> > If someone wants to start on it, Jakarta Commons Scratchpad is ready for
> > contributions :-)
> >
> > If anyone needs help over there for committing patches or helping out
> > just send the patches to me to the commons list and I will help you
> > getting it going.
> >
> > > Christophe
> > >
> > > Rick Ross wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >>Good Morning all,
> > >>
> > >>I have just subscribed to this list, and I realize this is the
> developers
> > >>list.
> > >>
> > >>I am interested to know what thinking is going on with Slide and
> workflow.
> > >>I've built a couple of workflow engines in my time, and while I am no
> > >>expert, that never stops me from having strong opinions on the subject.
> > >>
> > >>In my spare time, I am working on a project that intends to use slide as
> a
> > >>persistence mechanism. One of the indentitied tasks in the project is
> > >>workflow.
> > >>
> > >>I see that it is low priority for you, but it is a bit higher priority
> for
> > >>me and I have some time, so I would like to see if I could help.
> > >>
> > >>Rick Ross
> > >>rick@stupendousman.com
> > >>ICQ : 40796968
> >
> > --
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Re: Workflow
Posted by Rick Ross <ca...@stupendousman.com>.
I now see that the Jakarta Sandbox (was: Scratchpad) has a workflow
component. Is anyone already familiar with that component? The freshest
code there is 7 months old and I suspect it could be called 'in progress'
I suggest that we begin gathering requirements, from the people on this list
first. Meanwhile some examination of what exists should be undertaken.
I'm happy to attempt to compile the the requirements. Should/Can I post
some requirements web pages to the Sandbox?
R
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicola Ken Barozzi" <ni...@apache.org>
To: "Slide Developers Mailing List" <sl...@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 12:47 PM
Subject: Re: Workflow
>
> Christophe Lombart wrote:
> > I have the same interest. It should be nice if some slide developers can
give
> > some idea on the workflow specification.
> > By this way, we can make a prototype based on it. Rick and myself are
> > interested. I'm sure that other users will be.
> >
> > Is it too early to speak about the Slide workflow ? I can also help on
this
> > area.
>
> Scarab scarab.tigris.org is also in the need of a workflow engine.
>
> If someone wants to start on it, Jakarta Commons Scratchpad is ready for
> contributions :-)
>
> If anyone needs help over there for committing patches or helping out
> just send the patches to me to the commons list and I will help you
> getting it going.
>
> > Christophe
> >
> > Rick Ross wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Good Morning all,
> >>
> >>I have just subscribed to this list, and I realize this is the
developers
> >>list.
> >>
> >>I am interested to know what thinking is going on with Slide and
workflow.
> >>I've built a couple of workflow engines in my time, and while I am no
> >>expert, that never stops me from having strong opinions on the subject.
> >>
> >>In my spare time, I am working on a project that intends to use slide as
a
> >>persistence mechanism. One of the indentitied tasks in the project is
> >>workflow.
> >>
> >>I see that it is low priority for you, but it is a bit higher priority
for
> >>me and I have some time, so I would like to see if I could help.
> >>
> >>Rick Ross
> >>rick@stupendousman.com
> >>ICQ : 40796968
>
> --
> Nicola Ken Barozzi nicolaken@apache.org
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> (discussions get forgotten, just code remains)
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Re: Workflow
Posted by Nicola Ken Barozzi <ni...@apache.org>.
Christophe Lombart wrote:
> Sorry for my ignorance but what is Scratchpad ?
Oops, sandbox ;-)
On some projects it's called scratchpad, in Jakarta Commons it's sandbox.
> what about the status of 'common Workflow' ? Is it still active ?
No.
What it envisions is done though in Cocoon 2.1 HEAD using javascript
with continuations.
> I found on the common web site a link to the werkflow project. Is it an interesting
> workflow project ?
IIUC it just started.
> Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
>
>
>>Christophe Lombart wrote:
>>
>>>I have the same interest. It should be nice if some slide developers can give
>>>some idea on the workflow specification.
>>>By this way, we can make a prototype based on it. Rick and myself are
>>>interested. I'm sure that other users will be.
>>>
>>>Is it too early to speak about the Slide workflow ? I can also help on this
>>>area.
>>
>>Scarab scarab.tigris.org is also in the need of a workflow engine.
>>
>>If someone wants to start on it, Jakarta Commons Scratchpad is ready for
>>contributions :-)
>>
>>If anyone needs help over there for committing patches or helping out
>>just send the patches to me to the commons list and I will help you
>>getting it going.
>>
>>
>>>Christophe
>>>
>>>Rick Ross wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Good Morning all,
>>>>
>>>>I have just subscribed to this list, and I realize this is the developers
>>>>list.
>>>>
>>>>I am interested to know what thinking is going on with Slide and workflow.
>>>>I've built a couple of workflow engines in my time, and while I am no
>>>>expert, that never stops me from having strong opinions on the subject.
>>>>
>>>>In my spare time, I am working on a project that intends to use slide as a
>>>>persistence mechanism. One of the indentitied tasks in the project is
>>>>workflow.
>>>>
>>>>I see that it is low priority for you, but it is a bit higher priority for
>>>>me and I have some time, so I would like to see if I could help.
>>>>
>>>>Rick Ross
>>>>rick@stupendousman.com
>>>>ICQ : 40796968
>>>
>>--
>>Nicola Ken Barozzi nicolaken@apache.org
>> - verba volant, scripta manent -
>> (discussions get forgotten, just code remains)
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Re: Workflow
Posted by Christophe Lombart <ch...@skynet.be>.
Sorry for my ignorance but what is Scratchpad ?
what about the status of 'common Workflow' ? Is it still active ?
I found on the common web site a link to the werkflow project. Is it an interesting
workflow project ?
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
> Christophe Lombart wrote:
> > I have the same interest. It should be nice if some slide developers can give
> > some idea on the workflow specification.
> > By this way, we can make a prototype based on it. Rick and myself are
> > interested. I'm sure that other users will be.
> >
> > Is it too early to speak about the Slide workflow ? I can also help on this
> > area.
>
> Scarab scarab.tigris.org is also in the need of a workflow engine.
>
> If someone wants to start on it, Jakarta Commons Scratchpad is ready for
> contributions :-)
>
> If anyone needs help over there for committing patches or helping out
> just send the patches to me to the commons list and I will help you
> getting it going.
>
> > Christophe
> >
> > Rick Ross wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Good Morning all,
> >>
> >>I have just subscribed to this list, and I realize this is the developers
> >>list.
> >>
> >>I am interested to know what thinking is going on with Slide and workflow.
> >>I've built a couple of workflow engines in my time, and while I am no
> >>expert, that never stops me from having strong opinions on the subject.
> >>
> >>In my spare time, I am working on a project that intends to use slide as a
> >>persistence mechanism. One of the indentitied tasks in the project is
> >>workflow.
> >>
> >>I see that it is low priority for you, but it is a bit higher priority for
> >>me and I have some time, so I would like to see if I could help.
> >>
> >>Rick Ross
> >>rick@stupendousman.com
> >>ICQ : 40796968
>
> --
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Re: Workflow
Posted by Nicola Ken Barozzi <ni...@apache.org>.
Christophe Lombart wrote:
> I have the same interest. It should be nice if some slide developers can give
> some idea on the workflow specification.
> By this way, we can make a prototype based on it. Rick and myself are
> interested. I'm sure that other users will be.
>
> Is it too early to speak about the Slide workflow ? I can also help on this
> area.
Scarab scarab.tigris.org is also in the need of a workflow engine.
If someone wants to start on it, Jakarta Commons Scratchpad is ready for
contributions :-)
If anyone needs help over there for committing patches or helping out
just send the patches to me to the commons list and I will help you
getting it going.
> Christophe
>
> Rick Ross wrote:
>
>
>>Good Morning all,
>>
>>I have just subscribed to this list, and I realize this is the developers
>>list.
>>
>>I am interested to know what thinking is going on with Slide and workflow.
>>I've built a couple of workflow engines in my time, and while I am no
>>expert, that never stops me from having strong opinions on the subject.
>>
>>In my spare time, I am working on a project that intends to use slide as a
>>persistence mechanism. One of the indentitied tasks in the project is
>>workflow.
>>
>>I see that it is low priority for you, but it is a bit higher priority for
>>me and I have some time, so I would like to see if I could help.
>>
>>Rick Ross
>>rick@stupendousman.com
>>ICQ : 40796968
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Re: Workflow
Posted by Christophe Lombart <ch...@skynet.be>.
Good !
A name ? why not "Nebanum" ?
stay tune on krysalis-sandbox-dev ! Rick, let me know how we will start this
nice stuff.
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
> Rick Ross wrote:
> > perfect.
> >
> > I guess you could point it to christophe and I. slide@stupendousman.com
> > would be a convenient moderator address for me.
> >
> > Perhaps then this is a new Sandbox project.
>
> I added "krysalis-sandbox-dev" mailing list to our mailing lists:
> http://sourceforge.net/mail/?group_id=36516
>
> It will be created in the following hours.
>
> > I suspect it will need a name.
>
> You know what to do in the meantime then ;-)
>
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Re: Workflow
Posted by Nicola Ken Barozzi <ni...@apache.org>.
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
> I added "krysalis-sandbox-dev" mailing list to our mailing lists:
> http://sourceforge.net/mail/?group_id=36516
>
> It will be created in the following hours.
Created.
http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/krysalis-sandbox-dev
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Re: Workflow
Posted by Nicola Ken Barozzi <ni...@apache.org>.
Rick Ross wrote:
> perfect.
>
> I guess you could point it to christophe and I. slide@stupendousman.com
> would be a convenient moderator address for me.
>
> Perhaps then this is a new Sandbox project.
I added "krysalis-sandbox-dev" mailing list to our mailing lists:
http://sourceforge.net/mail/?group_id=36516
It will be created in the following hours.
> I suspect it will need a name.
You know what to do in the meantime then ;-)
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Re: Workflow
Posted by Nicola Ken Barozzi <ni...@apache.org>.
Rick Ross wrote:
> The website said a proposal was low priority for Remy... perhaps we could
> volunteer to collect up input from the Users and Developers group as a
> start.
>
> Sort of informal requirements gathering.
If you want I can set you up a mailing list @krysalis.org on sourceforge.
> R.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Christophe Lombart" <ch...@skynet.be>
> To: "Slide Developers Mailing List" <sl...@jakarta.apache.org>
> Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 11:52 AM
> Subject: Re: Workflow
>
>
>
>>I have the same interest. It should be nice if some slide developers can
>
> give
>
>>some idea on the workflow specification.
>>By this way, we can make a prototype based on it. Rick and myself are
>>interested. I'm sure that other users will be.
>>
>>Is it too early to speak about the Slide workflow ? I can also help on
>
> this
>
>>area.
>>
>>Christophe
>>
>>Rick Ross wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Good Morning all,
>>>
>>>I have just subscribed to this list, and I realize this is the
>>
> developers
>
>>>list.
>>>
>>>I am interested to know what thinking is going on with Slide and
>>
> workflow.
>
>>>I've built a couple of workflow engines in my time, and while I am no
>>>expert, that never stops me from having strong opinions on the subject.
>>>
>>>In my spare time, I am working on a project that intends to use slide as
>>
> a
>
>>>persistence mechanism. One of the indentitied tasks in the project is
>>>workflow.
>>>
>>>I see that it is low priority for you, but it is a bit higher priority
>>
> for
>
>>>me and I have some time, so I would like to see if I could help.
>>>
>>>Rick Ross
>>>rick@stupendousman.com
>>>ICQ : 40796968
>>>
>>> "Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel"
>>>
>>> - Samuel Johnson
>>>
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Re: Workflow
Posted by Rick Ross <ca...@stupendousman.com>.
The website said a proposal was low priority for Remy... perhaps we could
volunteer to collect up input from the Users and Developers group as a
start.
Sort of informal requirements gathering.
R.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Christophe Lombart" <ch...@skynet.be>
To: "Slide Developers Mailing List" <sl...@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 11:52 AM
Subject: Re: Workflow
> I have the same interest. It should be nice if some slide developers can
give
> some idea on the workflow specification.
> By this way, we can make a prototype based on it. Rick and myself are
> interested. I'm sure that other users will be.
>
> Is it too early to speak about the Slide workflow ? I can also help on
this
> area.
>
> Christophe
>
> Rick Ross wrote:
>
> > Good Morning all,
> >
> > I have just subscribed to this list, and I realize this is the
developers
> > list.
> >
> > I am interested to know what thinking is going on with Slide and
workflow.
> > I've built a couple of workflow engines in my time, and while I am no
> > expert, that never stops me from having strong opinions on the subject.
> >
> > In my spare time, I am working on a project that intends to use slide as
a
> > persistence mechanism. One of the indentitied tasks in the project is
> > workflow.
> >
> > I see that it is low priority for you, but it is a bit higher priority
for
> > me and I have some time, so I would like to see if I could help.
> >
> > Rick Ross
> > rick@stupendousman.com
> > ICQ : 40796968
> >
> > "Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel"
> >
> > - Samuel Johnson
> >
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Re: Workflow
Posted by Christophe Lombart <ch...@skynet.be>.
I have the same interest. It should be nice if some slide developers can give
some idea on the workflow specification.
By this way, we can make a prototype based on it. Rick and myself are
interested. I'm sure that other users will be.
Is it too early to speak about the Slide workflow ? I can also help on this
area.
Christophe
Rick Ross wrote:
> Good Morning all,
>
> I have just subscribed to this list, and I realize this is the developers
> list.
>
> I am interested to know what thinking is going on with Slide and workflow.
> I've built a couple of workflow engines in my time, and while I am no
> expert, that never stops me from having strong opinions on the subject.
>
> In my spare time, I am working on a project that intends to use slide as a
> persistence mechanism. One of the indentitied tasks in the project is
> workflow.
>
> I see that it is low priority for you, but it is a bit higher priority for
> me and I have some time, so I would like to see if I could help.
>
> Rick Ross
> rick@stupendousman.com
> ICQ : 40796968
>
> "Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel"
>
> - Samuel Johnson
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