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ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal]
Hello,
The following is a new project incubation proposal. We welcome your
feedback and would like to extend a invitation for participation
including mentors.
The proposal is also located at
http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/AriProposal
The initial source for the project is available at:
http://www.snellspace.com/public/ari.tar.gz
Thank you,
- James M Snell
jasnell@gmail.com
jasnell@us.ibm.com
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= ARI, an Atom Reference Implementation Proposal =
== 0. Rationale ==
The fundamental goal of ARI is to provide a high-quality and
functionally-complete reference implementation of the Atom Syndication
Format (RFC4287) and the Atom Publishing Protocol specifications
published by the IETF Atompub working group.
== 0.1 Criteria ==
=== Meritocracy: ===
Apache was chosen for an incubator for the guidance the community can
provide.
=== Community: ===
The contributed work was inspired by open source development and by the
need to have functionally complete implementations of the Atom
specifications available for developers to use. To be successful, the
project needs to build a strong and diverse community to validate its
mission and carry it forward. Further, the project needs to be guided by
the same general principles of open and transparent development that has
helped to shape the standards upon which the project is based.
=== Core Developers: ===
The initial committers for the project are employees of the donating
company. Two of the developers have worked on open source projects
before and have experience with and a deep understanding of open source
principles.
=== Alignment: ===
The initial code has been implemented in Java and is based primarily on
the same Apache Axiom / StAX XML parsing API that underpins the Apache
Axis2 project. As such, the implementations draws heavily on the work
of other existing Apache projects and will continue to do so.
== 0.2 Warning signs ==
=== Orphaned products: ===
The initial committers are users of this toolkit and have a long-term
interest in use and maintenance of the code.
=== Inexperience with open source: ===
Several of the commiters are very experienced in Open Source
environment. All efforts have and will be made to ensure that the work
done and momentum will be in strict adherence to open source guidelines.
=== Homogenous developers: ===
As noted above, the initial list of developers consists of paid
employees of the donating company. However, efforts will be made to
actively expand the team of developers committing to the project.
The current list of committers bring with them a broad range of
experiences with open source, standards, emerging technologies, and
product development.
=== Reliance on salaried developers: ===
The initial set of committers are salaried developers. Through the
incubation process, more diversity will hopefully be achieved in many
aspects, including reliance on salaried developers.
=== No ties to other Apache products: ===
The initial codebase relies heavily on existing Apache technologies and
will continue to do so.
=== A fascination with the Apache brand: ===
The committers are intent on developing a strong open source community.
We believe that the Apache Software Foundation's emphasis on community
development makes it the most suitable choice.
== 1. Scope of the subprojects ==
The initial scope of the project will be the development of a
Java-language reference implementation of the Atom Syndication Format
and Atom Publishing Protocol specifications, along with a selection of
extensions and utility functions. It is expected, however, that C/C++
and possibly other language implementations will be explored in the
future.
The Atom Syndication Format implementation will include a
high-performance parser and serializer for Atom documents, a set of
API's for working with the Atom data model, support for a variety of
extensions to the Atom format, and support for various advanced features
such as XPath, XML Digital Signatures, Feed paging, etc.
The Atom Publishing Protocol implementation will include both client and
server implementations designed with the dual purpose of demonstrating
the proper function of the protocol and providing the tools necessary to
build and deploy Atom Publishing-based applications.
== 2. Initial source ==
The initial source for the ARI project was originally written to address
the needs of the donating company's own internal Atom development
activities. A snapshot of the initial source is available at
http://www.snellspace.com/public/ari.tar.gz.
== 2.1 External Dependencies of the project ==
The current ARI implemenation depends on the following components:
* Apache Axiom 1.0
* StAX XML API's
* The Woodstox XML Parser
* Java Activation Framework (JAF) and JavaMail API
* Jaxen (optional for XPath support)
* Junit (for unit testing)
* Apache Ant (for the build)
== 3. Identify the ASF resources to be created ==
== 3.1 mailing list(s) ==
* ari-ppmc (moderated subscriptions)
* ari-dev
* ari-commits
* ari-user
== 3.2 Subversion repository ==
* https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/ari
== 3.3 Bugzilla ==
* ARI
== 4. Identify the initial set of committers: ==
* James M Snell (IBM)
* Sam Ruby (IBM)
* Robert Yates (IBM)
== 5. Identify Apache sponsoring individual ==
We request that the Apache Incubator PMC sponsor the ARI as an
incubating project.
Champion: Sam Ruby
Mentors:
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Re: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal]
Posted by James M Snell <ja...@gmail.com>.
Good catch. Ok, we'll keep looking :-)
Davanum Srinivas wrote:
> http://www.google.com/search?q=+%22wave+systems%22+software seems too
> close for comfort.
>
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Re: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal]
Posted by Davanum Srinivas <da...@gmail.com>.
http://www.google.com/search?q=+%22wave+systems%22+software seems too
close for comfort.
On 5/23/06, James M Snell <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes, I did run a search. There were a number of hits for the term
> "wave", but none of which seem particularly relevant/conflicting. (one
> business consultant firm, a cigarette brand, a medical science research
> firm, swimming goggles, etc)
>
> - James
>
> Davanum Srinivas wrote:
> > James,
> >
> > did you search for trademarks?
> > http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?f=tess&state=vmko9c.6.51
> >
> > thanks,
> > dims
> >
> > On 5/23/06, James M Snell <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Alrighty. Thanks for the all the name suggestions. I've been Googling
> >> like crazy and the best candidate seems to be "Wave"
> >>
> >> The three initial committers are fine with that name. If there are no
> >> objections, I can go ahead and update the proposal to use that name.
> >>
> >> - James
> >>
> >> Garrett Rooney wrote:
> >> > On 5/22/06, James M Snell <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Hello,
> >> >>
> >> >> The following is a new project incubation proposal. We welcome your
> >> >> feedback and would like to extend a invitation for participation
> >> >> including mentors.
> >> >>
> >> >> The proposal is also located at
> >> >> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/AriProposal
> >> >>
> >> >> The initial source for the project is available at:
> >> >> http://www.snellspace.com/public/ari.tar.gz
> >> >
> >> > I would be interested in helping to mentor this project, and perhaps
> >> > eventually working on C implementations of some of its functionality.
> >> >
> >> > One comment though, you might want to reroll ari.tar.gz so it unpacks
> >> > into a directory named ari, as opposed to spilling all sorts of stuff
> >> > into the current working directory.
> >> >
> >> > -garrett
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Re: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal]
Posted by James M Snell <ja...@gmail.com>.
Yes, I did run a search. There were a number of hits for the term
"wave", but none of which seem particularly relevant/conflicting. (one
business consultant firm, a cigarette brand, a medical science research
firm, swimming goggles, etc)
- James
Davanum Srinivas wrote:
> James,
>
> did you search for trademarks?
> http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?f=tess&state=vmko9c.6.51
>
> thanks,
> dims
>
> On 5/23/06, James M Snell <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Alrighty. Thanks for the all the name suggestions. I've been Googling
>> like crazy and the best candidate seems to be "Wave"
>>
>> The three initial committers are fine with that name. If there are no
>> objections, I can go ahead and update the proposal to use that name.
>>
>> - James
>>
>> Garrett Rooney wrote:
>> > On 5/22/06, James M Snell <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hello,
>> >>
>> >> The following is a new project incubation proposal. We welcome your
>> >> feedback and would like to extend a invitation for participation
>> >> including mentors.
>> >>
>> >> The proposal is also located at
>> >> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/AriProposal
>> >>
>> >> The initial source for the project is available at:
>> >> http://www.snellspace.com/public/ari.tar.gz
>> >
>> > I would be interested in helping to mentor this project, and perhaps
>> > eventually working on C implementations of some of its functionality.
>> >
>> > One comment though, you might want to reroll ari.tar.gz so it unpacks
>> > into a directory named ari, as opposed to spilling all sorts of stuff
>> > into the current working directory.
>> >
>> > -garrett
>> >
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Re: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal]
Posted by Davanum Srinivas <da...@gmail.com>.
James,
did you search for trademarks?
http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?f=tess&state=vmko9c.6.51
thanks,
dims
On 5/23/06, James M Snell <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Alrighty. Thanks for the all the name suggestions. I've been Googling
> like crazy and the best candidate seems to be "Wave"
>
> The three initial committers are fine with that name. If there are no
> objections, I can go ahead and update the proposal to use that name.
>
> - James
>
> Garrett Rooney wrote:
> > On 5/22/06, James M Snell <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> The following is a new project incubation proposal. We welcome your
> >> feedback and would like to extend a invitation for participation
> >> including mentors.
> >>
> >> The proposal is also located at
> >> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/AriProposal
> >>
> >> The initial source for the project is available at:
> >> http://www.snellspace.com/public/ari.tar.gz
> >
> > I would be interested in helping to mentor this project, and perhaps
> > eventually working on C implementations of some of its functionality.
> >
> > One comment though, you might want to reroll ari.tar.gz so it unpacks
> > into a directory named ari, as opposed to spilling all sorts of stuff
> > into the current working directory.
> >
> > -garrett
> >
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Re: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal]
Posted by James M Snell <ja...@gmail.com>.
Alrighty. Thanks for the all the name suggestions. I've been Googling
like crazy and the best candidate seems to be "Wave"
The three initial committers are fine with that name. If there are no
objections, I can go ahead and update the proposal to use that name.
- James
Garrett Rooney wrote:
> On 5/22/06, James M Snell <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> The following is a new project incubation proposal. We welcome your
>> feedback and would like to extend a invitation for participation
>> including mentors.
>>
>> The proposal is also located at
>> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/AriProposal
>>
>> The initial source for the project is available at:
>> http://www.snellspace.com/public/ari.tar.gz
>
> I would be interested in helping to mentor this project, and perhaps
> eventually working on C implementations of some of its functionality.
>
> One comment though, you might want to reroll ari.tar.gz so it unpacks
> into a directory named ari, as opposed to spilling all sorts of stuff
> into the current working directory.
>
> -garrett
>
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Re: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal]
Posted by Sanjiva Weerawarana <sa...@opensource.lk>.
On Tue, 2006-05-23 at 06:19 -0700, Paul Querna wrote:
>
> I am currently using the xmlTextReaderRead of libxml2, and it appears
> that Axiom is also using that underneath.
It has a pull parser abstraction layer to support multiple pull parsers.
We currently use libxml2 but that's slow because it builds the dom and
then pulls. We have our own native pull parser (guththila) but its not
100% ready yet .. once that's ready that'll become the default parser.
We will retain support for libxml2 as that's the default parser in php
land for example.
Please join axis-c-dev@ws.apache.org .. in any case we should move
axiom-c out into the ws-commons axiom project soon.
Sanjiva.
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Re: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal]
Posted by Eran Chinthaka <ch...@opensource.lk>.
Paul Querna wrote:
> Paul Fremantle wrote:
>>
>
> I am a little scared of the Axiom C code right now.. Maybe its really
> not that scary to someone who knows it :)
Don't be scared its apache code :). Axis2/C team recently released
Axis2/C 0.9 and 0.91 based on Axiom/C implementation.
>
> I am currently using the xmlTextReaderRead of libxml2, and it appears
> that Axiom is also using that underneath.
>
> Do you know of an Axiom C tutorial, introduction, or documentation?
See here : http://ws.apache.org/axis2/c/docs/om_tutorial.html.
- Chinthaka
Re: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal]
Posted by Paul Querna <ch...@force-elite.com>.
Paul Fremantle wrote:
> On 5/22/06, Paul Querna <ch...@force-elite.com> wrote:
>>
>> <speculation>Possibly even donate
>> code for a C based parser.</speculation>
>>
>
> Sounds good. There is also a C version of the Apache Axiom xml model that
> the proposed ARI codebase has been written with which should make it
> easier.
> The Axiom C code hasn't been split off into a separate project, which was
> done for Axiom/Java, but it is modular within the codebase.
>
I am a little scared of the Axiom C code right now.. Maybe its really
not that scary to someone who knows it :)
I am currently using the xmlTextReaderRead of libxml2, and it appears
that Axiom is also using that underneath.
Do you know of an Axiom C tutorial, introduction, or documentation?
Things like the README:
https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/webservices/axis2/trunk/c/axiom/README
Appear to be empty :)
Thanks,
Paul
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Re: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal]
Posted by Paul Fremantle <pz...@gmail.com>.
On 5/22/06, Paul Querna <ch...@force-elite.com> wrote:
>
> <speculation>Possibly even donate
> code for a C based parser.</speculation>
>
Sounds good. There is also a C version of the Apache Axiom xml model that
the proposed ARI codebase has been written with which should make it easier.
The Axiom C code hasn't been split off into a separate project, which was
done for Axiom/Java, but it is modular within the codebase.
--
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Re: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal]
Posted by James M Snell <ja...@gmail.com>.
Paul Querna wrote:
>[snip]
> I am also interested in helping mentor the project, and to work on a C
> implementation of its functionality. <speculation>Possibly even donate
> code for a C based parser.</speculation>
>
Excellent. Thank you.
- James
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Re: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal]
Posted by Paul Querna <ch...@force-elite.com>.
Garrett Rooney wrote:
> On 5/22/06, James M Snell <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> The following is a new project incubation proposal. We welcome your
>> feedback and would like to extend a invitation for participation
>> including mentors.
>>
>> The proposal is also located at
>> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/AriProposal
>>
>> The initial source for the project is available at:
>> http://www.snellspace.com/public/ari.tar.gz
>
> I would be interested in helping to mentor this project, and perhaps
> eventually working on C implementations of some of its functionality.
I am also interested in helping mentor the project, and to work on a C
implementation of its functionality. <speculation>Possibly even donate
code for a C based parser.</speculation>
Paul Querna
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Re: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal]
Posted by James M Snell <ja...@gmail.com>.
I've gone through all of the suggestions offered here and have done a
variety of trademark/google searches on each. I think for every one
that there has been at least two or three relevant hits either on google
or USPTO. A community chosen name is great, so long as it doesn't cause
any potential trademark headaches.
- James
Yoav Shapira wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 5/24/06, James M Snell <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Ok, it was worth a shot. I've been stewing over possible name
>> selections for a couple days and can't seem to come up with any strong
>> possibilities.
>
> Why not take the stuff that's been suggested so far (there have been
> 10+ ideas, no?), put it to a vote here, and take the resulting name so
> the project can move along? If the committers on the project *really*
> dislike it later, they may change it.
>
> Or do you mean that you want to pick something yourself and don't want
> a community-chosen name? (I don't really care, I'm just curious to
> see if I misinterpreted your original call for names)
>
> Yoav
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Re: Name options (was Re: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal])
Posted by James M Snell <ja...@gmail.com>.
Trademarked. I liked it too.
http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=b0fu7h.2.1
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
>> what was wrong with "Atomate"? I really liked that one.
>
> So did I, actually. Not that I have a horse in this race.
>
> --- Noel
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RE: Name options (was Re: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal])
Posted by "Noel J. Bergman" <no...@devtech.com>.
> what was wrong with "Atomate"? I really liked that one.
So did I, actually. Not that I have a horse in this race.
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Re: Name options (was Re: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal])
Posted by Torsten Curdt <tc...@apache.org>.
> Ok, so here are a few of the name options that seem to be the safest (in
> no particular order)
>
> Iaea (adapted, of course, from the U.N. nuclear watchdog group)
> Anu (Dims suggestion, sanskrit for "atom")
> Atomico (Spanish/Italian for "atomic")
> Dalton (Suggested by Robert B. Donkin)
> Abdera (birthplace of the philosopher Demokritos)
Did I miss something or what was wrong with "Atomate"? I really liked that one.
cheers
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Re: Name options (was Re: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal])
Posted by Torsten Curdt <tc...@apache.org>.
> How about Nucleus or Nucleo? Or in German: Atomkern ;-)
nucleus is taken ...a blogging system
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Re: Name options (was Re: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal])
Posted by Erik Abele <er...@codefaktor.de>.
On 25.05.2006, at 01:47, James M Snell wrote:
> Ok, so here are a few of the name options that seem to be the
> safest (in
> no particular order)
>
> Iaea (adapted, of course, from the U.N. nuclear watchdog
> group)
> Anu (Dims suggestion, sanskrit for "atom")
> Atomico (Spanish/Italian for "atomic")
> Dalton (Suggested by Robert B. Donkin)
> Abdera (birthplace of the philosopher Demokritos)
>
> I think any of these would work.
How about Nucleus or Nucleo? Or in German: Atomkern ;-)
Cheers,
Erik
Re: Name options (was Re: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal])
Posted by James M Snell <ja...@gmail.com>.
The project will consist of three distinct components
a. An Atom parser/serializer. This is the Axiom-based code that is
available in the tar referenced by the proposal
b. An Atom Publishing Protocol Client... likely taking the form of a set
of utility/helper objects based on the Commons HttpClient
c. An Atom Publishing Protocol Server... likely taking the form of a set
of interfaces and utility objects intended to allow any application to
provide an "atom interface".
Ultimately, I would also like to see an "Atom store" developed. The
Atom store is a data persistent layer built around the Atom data model
and publishing protocol.
- James
Sanjiva Weerawarana wrote:
> Hi James,
>
> (Greetings; hope u r doing well :))
>
> How far does this project intend to go in implemention Atom? Is it a
> client side only, a tool to support Atom generation from some other app,
> APP, etc. etc.?
>
> (Sorry if this is an obvious answer question; I'm not an Atom expert at
> all.)
>
> Thanks,
>
> Sanjiva.
>
> On Wed, 2006-05-24 at 16:47 -0700, James M Snell wrote:
>> Ok, so here are a few of the name options that seem to be the safest (in
>> no particular order)
>>
>> Iaea (adapted, of course, from the U.N. nuclear watchdog group)
>> Anu (Dims suggestion, sanskrit for "atom")
>> Atomico (Spanish/Italian for "atomic")
>> Dalton (Suggested by Robert B. Donkin)
>> Abdera (birthplace of the philosopher Demokritos)
>>
>> I think any of these would work.
>>
>> - James
>>
>> Yoav Shapira wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> On 5/24/06, James M Snell <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Ok, it was worth a shot. I've been stewing over possible name
>>>> selections for a couple days and can't seem to come up with any strong
>>>> possibilities.
>>> Why not take the stuff that's been suggested so far (there have been
>>> 10+ ideas, no?), put it to a vote here, and take the resulting name so
>>> the project can move along? If the committers on the project *really*
>>> dislike it later, they may change it.
>>>
>>> Or do you mean that you want to pick something yourself and don't want
>>> a community-chosen name? (I don't really care, I'm just curious to
>>> see if I misinterpreted your original call for names)
>>>
>>> Yoav
>>>
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Re: Name options (was Re: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation
[Proposal])
Posted by Sanjiva Weerawarana <sa...@opensource.lk>.
Hi James,
(Greetings; hope u r doing well :))
How far does this project intend to go in implemention Atom? Is it a
client side only, a tool to support Atom generation from some other app,
APP, etc. etc.?
(Sorry if this is an obvious answer question; I'm not an Atom expert at
all.)
Thanks,
Sanjiva.
On Wed, 2006-05-24 at 16:47 -0700, James M Snell wrote:
> Ok, so here are a few of the name options that seem to be the safest (in
> no particular order)
>
> Iaea (adapted, of course, from the U.N. nuclear watchdog group)
> Anu (Dims suggestion, sanskrit for "atom")
> Atomico (Spanish/Italian for "atomic")
> Dalton (Suggested by Robert B. Donkin)
> Abdera (birthplace of the philosopher Demokritos)
>
> I think any of these would work.
>
> - James
>
> Yoav Shapira wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > On 5/24/06, James M Snell <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Ok, it was worth a shot. I've been stewing over possible name
> >> selections for a couple days and can't seem to come up with any strong
> >> possibilities.
> >
> > Why not take the stuff that's been suggested so far (there have been
> > 10+ ideas, no?), put it to a vote here, and take the resulting name so
> > the project can move along? If the committers on the project *really*
> > dislike it later, they may change it.
> >
> > Or do you mean that you want to pick something yourself and don't want
> > a community-chosen name? (I don't really care, I'm just curious to
> > see if I misinterpreted your original call for names)
> >
> > Yoav
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Re: Name options (was Re: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal])
Posted by robert burrell donkin <ro...@gmail.com>.
On 5/25/06, Martin Cooper <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> On 5/24/06, James M Snell <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Ok, so here are a few of the name options that seem to be the safest (in
> > no particular order)
> >
> > Iaea (adapted, of course, from the U.N. nuclear watchdog group)
> > Anu (Dims suggestion, sanskrit for "atom")
> > Atomico (Spanish/Italian for "atomic")
> > Dalton (Suggested by Robert B. Donkin)
> > Abdera (birthplace of the philosopher Demokritos)
>
>
> Of these, I like the last one, Abdera.
+1 abdera
- robert
Re: Name options (was Re: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal])
Posted by Yoav Shapira <yo...@apache.org>.
+1 to Abdera.
Atomic is my second choice of this list.
Iaea is very hard to pronounce.
Yoav
On 5/24/06, Davanum Srinivas <da...@gmail.com> wrote:
> +1 to abdera.
>
> On 5/24/06, Martin Cooper <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
> > On 5/24/06, James M Snell <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Ok, so here are a few of the name options that seem to be the safest (in
> > > no particular order)
> > >
> > > Iaea (adapted, of course, from the U.N. nuclear watchdog group)
> > > Anu (Dims suggestion, sanskrit for "atom")
> > > Atomico (Spanish/Italian for "atomic")
> > > Dalton (Suggested by Robert B. Donkin)
> > > Abdera (birthplace of the philosopher Demokritos)
> >
> >
> > Of these, I like the last one, Abdera.
> >
> > (Anu is also a female first name, and - JAMES notwithstanding - I'm not that
> > fond of picking people's names for project names.)
> >
> > --
> > Martin.
> >
> >
> > I think any of these would work.
> > >
> > > - James
> > >
> > > Yoav Shapira wrote:
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > On 5/24/06, James M Snell <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> Ok, it was worth a shot. I've been stewing over possible name
> > > >> selections for a couple days and can't seem to come up with any strong
> > > >> possibilities.
> > > >
> > > > Why not take the stuff that's been suggested so far (there have been
> > > > 10+ ideas, no?), put it to a vote here, and take the resulting name so
> > > > the project can move along? If the committers on the project *really*
> > > > dislike it later, they may change it.
> > > >
> > > > Or do you mean that you want to pick something yourself and don't want
> > > > a community-chosen name? (I don't really care, I'm just curious to
> > > > see if I misinterpreted your original call for names)
> > > >
> > > > Yoav
> > > >
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Re: Name options (was Re: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal])
Posted by Davanum Srinivas <da...@gmail.com>.
+1 to abdera.
On 5/24/06, Martin Cooper <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
> On 5/24/06, James M Snell <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Ok, so here are a few of the name options that seem to be the safest (in
> > no particular order)
> >
> > Iaea (adapted, of course, from the U.N. nuclear watchdog group)
> > Anu (Dims suggestion, sanskrit for "atom")
> > Atomico (Spanish/Italian for "atomic")
> > Dalton (Suggested by Robert B. Donkin)
> > Abdera (birthplace of the philosopher Demokritos)
>
>
> Of these, I like the last one, Abdera.
>
> (Anu is also a female first name, and - JAMES notwithstanding - I'm not that
> fond of picking people's names for project names.)
>
> --
> Martin.
>
>
> I think any of these would work.
> >
> > - James
> >
> > Yoav Shapira wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > On 5/24/06, James M Snell <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> Ok, it was worth a shot. I've been stewing over possible name
> > >> selections for a couple days and can't seem to come up with any strong
> > >> possibilities.
> > >
> > > Why not take the stuff that's been suggested so far (there have been
> > > 10+ ideas, no?), put it to a vote here, and take the resulting name so
> > > the project can move along? If the committers on the project *really*
> > > dislike it later, they may change it.
> > >
> > > Or do you mean that you want to pick something yourself and don't want
> > > a community-chosen name? (I don't really care, I'm just curious to
> > > see if I misinterpreted your original call for names)
> > >
> > > Yoav
> > >
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Re: Name options (was Re: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation
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Posted by Sanjiva Weerawarana <sa...@opensource.lk>.
On Wed, 2006-05-24 at 16:52 -0700, Martin Cooper wrote:
> Of these, I like the last one, Abdera.
+1.
Sanjiva.
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Re: Name options (was Re: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal])
Posted by Samisa Abeysinghe <sa...@gmail.com>.
Martin Cooper wrote:
> On 5/24/06, James M Snell <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Ok, so here are a few of the name options that seem to be the safest (in
>> no particular order)
>>
>> Iaea (adapted, of course, from the U.N. nuclear watchdog group)
>> Anu (Dims suggestion, sanskrit for "atom")
>> Atomico (Spanish/Italian for "atomic")
>> Dalton (Suggested by Robert B. Donkin)
>> Abdera (birthplace of the philosopher Demokritos)
>
>
+1 to Abdera.
Atomico is my second preferred.
Samisa...
>
> Of these, I like the last one, Abdera.
>
> (Anu is also a female first name, and - JAMES notwithstanding - I'm
> not that
> fond of picking people's names for project names.)
>
> --
> Martin.
>
>
> I think any of these would work.
>
>>
>> - James
>>
>> Yoav Shapira wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > On 5/24/06, James M Snell <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> Ok, it was worth a shot. I've been stewing over possible name
>> >> selections for a couple days and can't seem to come up with any
>> strong
>> >> possibilities.
>> >
>> > Why not take the stuff that's been suggested so far (there have been
>> > 10+ ideas, no?), put it to a vote here, and take the resulting name so
>> > the project can move along? If the committers on the project *really*
>> > dislike it later, they may change it.
>> >
>> > Or do you mean that you want to pick something yourself and don't want
>> > a community-chosen name? (I don't really care, I'm just curious to
>> > see if I misinterpreted your original call for names)
>> >
>> > Yoav
>> >
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Re: Name options (was Re: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal])
Posted by Martin Cooper <ma...@apache.org>.
On 5/24/06, James M Snell <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Ok, so here are a few of the name options that seem to be the safest (in
> no particular order)
>
> Iaea (adapted, of course, from the U.N. nuclear watchdog group)
> Anu (Dims suggestion, sanskrit for "atom")
> Atomico (Spanish/Italian for "atomic")
> Dalton (Suggested by Robert B. Donkin)
> Abdera (birthplace of the philosopher Demokritos)
Of these, I like the last one, Abdera.
(Anu is also a female first name, and - JAMES notwithstanding - I'm not that
fond of picking people's names for project names.)
--
Martin.
I think any of these would work.
>
> - James
>
> Yoav Shapira wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > On 5/24/06, James M Snell <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Ok, it was worth a shot. I've been stewing over possible name
> >> selections for a couple days and can't seem to come up with any strong
> >> possibilities.
> >
> > Why not take the stuff that's been suggested so far (there have been
> > 10+ ideas, no?), put it to a vote here, and take the resulting name so
> > the project can move along? If the committers on the project *really*
> > dislike it later, they may change it.
> >
> > Or do you mean that you want to pick something yourself and don't want
> > a community-chosen name? (I don't really care, I'm just curious to
> > see if I misinterpreted your original call for names)
> >
> > Yoav
> >
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Name options (was Re: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal])
Posted by James M Snell <ja...@gmail.com>.
Ok, so here are a few of the name options that seem to be the safest (in
no particular order)
Iaea (adapted, of course, from the U.N. nuclear watchdog group)
Anu (Dims suggestion, sanskrit for "atom")
Atomico (Spanish/Italian for "atomic")
Dalton (Suggested by Robert B. Donkin)
Abdera (birthplace of the philosopher Demokritos)
I think any of these would work.
- James
Yoav Shapira wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 5/24/06, James M Snell <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Ok, it was worth a shot. I've been stewing over possible name
>> selections for a couple days and can't seem to come up with any strong
>> possibilities.
>
> Why not take the stuff that's been suggested so far (there have been
> 10+ ideas, no?), put it to a vote here, and take the resulting name so
> the project can move along? If the committers on the project *really*
> dislike it later, they may change it.
>
> Or do you mean that you want to pick something yourself and don't want
> a community-chosen name? (I don't really care, I'm just curious to
> see if I misinterpreted your original call for names)
>
> Yoav
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Re: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal]
Posted by Samisa Abeysinghe <sa...@gmail.com>.
>
> Things like the README:
> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/webservices/axis2/trunk/c/axiom/README
>
Axiom/C was moved to a separate folder only recently, however it is
still part of Axis2/C
Here is a tutorial: http://ws.apache.org/axis2/c/docs/om_tutorial.html
Please try the tutorial with 0.91 release of Axis2/C. Currently the API
is undergoing major changes and hence the svn head would not work
according to the tutorial.
Tutorial will be updated before the next release.
Thanks,
Samisa...
> Appear to be empty :)
>
> Thanks,
>
> Paul
>
>
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Re: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal]
Posted by Yoav Shapira <yo...@apache.org>.
Hi,
On 5/24/06, James M Snell <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ok, it was worth a shot. I've been stewing over possible name
> selections for a couple days and can't seem to come up with any strong
> possibilities.
Why not take the stuff that's been suggested so far (there have been
10+ ideas, no?), put it to a vote here, and take the resulting name so
the project can move along? If the committers on the project *really*
dislike it later, they may change it.
Or do you mean that you want to pick something yourself and don't want
a community-chosen name? (I don't really care, I'm just curious to
see if I misinterpreted your original call for names)
Yoav
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Re: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal]
Posted by James M Snell <ja...@gmail.com>.
Ok, it was worth a shot. I've been stewing over possible name
selections for a couple days and can't seem to come up with any strong
possibilities.
- James
Martin Cooper wrote:
> On 5/24/06, James M Snell <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Does any one have any problems with simply calling this project
>> "Atom"... as in, "The Apache Atom Implementation" ?
>
>
> Well, unless I'm mistaken, it would actually be (at least) the second Atom
> implementation at the ASF, since Roller has one already. Simply calling it
> Atom implies it has some special status, especially in the phrase you use
> above (i.e. "The Apache Atom Implementation"). So I would not be in favour
> of that name.
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Re: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal]
Posted by Martin Cooper <ma...@apache.org>.
On 5/24/06, James M Snell <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Does any one have any problems with simply calling this project
> "Atom"... as in, "The Apache Atom Implementation" ?
Well, unless I'm mistaken, it would actually be (at least) the second Atom
implementation at the ASF, since Roller has one already. Simply calling it
Atom implies it has some special status, especially in the phrase you use
above (i.e. "The Apache Atom Implementation"). So I would not be in favour
of that name.
--
Martin Cooper
- James
>
> Garrett Rooney wrote:
> > On 5/22/06, James M Snell <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> The following is a new project incubation proposal. We welcome your
> >> feedback and would like to extend a invitation for participation
> >> including mentors.
> >>
> >> The proposal is also located at
> >> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/AriProposal
> >>
> >> The initial source for the project is available at:
> >> http://www.snellspace.com/public/ari.tar.gz
> >
> > I would be interested in helping to mentor this project, and perhaps
> > eventually working on C implementations of some of its functionality.
> >
> > One comment though, you might want to reroll ari.tar.gz so it unpacks
> > into a directory named ari, as opposed to spilling all sorts of stuff
> > into the current working directory.
> >
> > -garrett
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Re: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal]
Posted by Yoav Shapira <yo...@apache.org>.
Hola,
Wouldn't that be confusing? I can see users asking "is Atom the spec
or the implementation or both?" I'd prefer a name that's not the same
as the spec name.
Yoav
On 5/24/06, James M Snell <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Does any one have any problems with simply calling this project
> "Atom"... as in, "The Apache Atom Implementation" ?
>
> - James
>
> Garrett Rooney wrote:
> > On 5/22/06, James M Snell <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> The following is a new project incubation proposal. We welcome your
> >> feedback and would like to extend a invitation for participation
> >> including mentors.
> >>
> >> The proposal is also located at
> >> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/AriProposal
> >>
> >> The initial source for the project is available at:
> >> http://www.snellspace.com/public/ari.tar.gz
> >
> > I would be interested in helping to mentor this project, and perhaps
> > eventually working on C implementations of some of its functionality.
> >
> > One comment though, you might want to reroll ari.tar.gz so it unpacks
> > into a directory named ari, as opposed to spilling all sorts of stuff
> > into the current working directory.
> >
> > -garrett
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Re: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal]
Posted by James M Snell <ja...@gmail.com>.
Does any one have any problems with simply calling this project
"Atom"... as in, "The Apache Atom Implementation" ?
- James
Garrett Rooney wrote:
> On 5/22/06, James M Snell <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> The following is a new project incubation proposal. We welcome your
>> feedback and would like to extend a invitation for participation
>> including mentors.
>>
>> The proposal is also located at
>> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/AriProposal
>>
>> The initial source for the project is available at:
>> http://www.snellspace.com/public/ari.tar.gz
>
> I would be interested in helping to mentor this project, and perhaps
> eventually working on C implementations of some of its functionality.
>
> One comment though, you might want to reroll ari.tar.gz so it unpacks
> into a directory named ari, as opposed to spilling all sorts of stuff
> into the current working directory.
>
> -garrett
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Re: [VOTE-RESULT] Incubator to sponsor and accept Abdera for incubation
Posted by James M Snell <ja...@gmail.com>.
I'll be faxing my CLA in tomorrow. Rob should be sending his in soon as
well.
Paul Querna wrote:
>[snip]
> Mailing lists:
> http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-829
>
> Repository:
> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/abdera/
>
> Initial committers:
> abdera=eliast,rubys,yoavs
>
> James M Snell and Robert Yates do not have CLAs or accounts.
>
> Bugzilla:
> http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-830
>
> -Paul
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Re: [VOTE-RESULT] Incubator to sponsor and accept Abdera for incubation
Posted by James M Snell <ja...@gmail.com>.
Garrett Rooney wrote:
>[snip]
>> As soon as my user account is set up, I can check in the initial drop
>> of the code.
>
> I believe we'll also need the software grant on file first.
>
Ok, I'll look into getting that software grant in by Friday.
- James
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Re: [VOTE-RESULT] Incubator to sponsor and accept Abdera for incubation
Posted by Garrett Rooney <ro...@electricjellyfish.net>.
On 6/6/06, James M Snell <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I faxed my CLA in this afternoon.
Great, as soon as it's acked by the ASF Secretary we'll get root@ to
set up your account.
> As soon as my user account is set up, I can check in the initial drop of the code.
I believe we'll also need the software grant on file first.
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Re: [VOTE-RESULT] Incubator to sponsor and accept Abdera for incubation
Posted by James M Snell <ja...@gmail.com>.
I faxed my CLA in this afternoon. As soon as my user account is set up,
I can check in the initial drop of the code.
Garrett Rooney wrote:
> On 6/6/06, Garrett Rooney <ro...@electricjellyfish.net> wrote:
>
>> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/abdera.html
>
> Note that this URL won't work for an hour or so, until it gets rsynced
> over to Ajax.
>
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Re: [VOTE-RESULT] Incubator to sponsor and accept Abdera for incubation
Posted by Garrett Rooney <ro...@electricjellyfish.net>.
On 6/6/06, Garrett Rooney <ro...@electricjellyfish.net> wrote:
> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/abdera.html
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Re: [VOTE-RESULT] Incubator to sponsor and accept Abdera for incubation
Posted by Garrett Rooney <ro...@electricjellyfish.net>.
On 6/5/06, Paul Querna <ch...@force-elite.com> wrote:
> Mailing lists:
> http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-829
>
> Repository:
> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/abdera/
>
> Initial committers:
> abdera=eliast,rubys,yoavs
>
> James M Snell and Robert Yates do not have CLAs or accounts.
>
> Bugzilla:
> http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-830
I just set up the status page:
http://incubator.apache.org/projects/abdera.html
If anyone sees anything on there that's incorrect, please let me know.
Oh, and FYI, the mailing lists and repository have already been set up
by infra people, so people should probably start subscribing to the
lists so we can get started.
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Re: [VOTE-RESULT] Incubator to sponsor and accept Abdera for incubation
Posted by Martin Cooper <ma...@apache.org>.
On 6/5/06, Paul Querna <ch...@force-elite.com> wrote:
>
> Garrett Rooney wrote:
> > On 6/5/06, Paul Querna <ch...@force-elite.com> wrote:
> >> Garrett Rooney wrote:
> >> > On 6/5/06, Sam Ruby <ru...@apache.org> wrote:
> >> >> Sam Ruby wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> With the following votes cast:
> >> >>
> >> >> +1 Sam Ruby
> >> >> +1 Garrett Rooney
> >> >> +1 Paul Fremantle
> >> >> +1 Davanum Srinivas
> >> >> +1 Yoav Shapira
> >> >> +1 Jim Jagielski
> >> >> +1 Robert Burrell Donkin
> >> >> +1 Martin Cooper
> >> >> +1 Geir Magnusson Jr
> >> >>
> >> >> ... this vote passes.
> >> >>
> >> >> At this point I'd like to ask that the mentors (Garrett Rooney, and
> >> Paul
> >> >> Querna) create the status file and work with infrastructure to get
> the
> >> >> necessary mailing lists, repository, and the like set up.
> >> >
> >> > I'd be happy to do so, but I probably won't have time until later
> this
> >> > week. If someone beats me to it, more power to them.
> >>
> >> Mailing lists:
> >> http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-829
> >>
> >> Repository:
> >> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/abdera/
> >>
> >> Initial committers:
> >> abdera=eliast,rubys,yoavs
> >>
> >> James M Snell and Robert Yates do not have CLAs or accounts.
> >>
> >> Bugzilla:
> >> http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-830
> >
> > Perhaps we should consult the initial project members and see if they
> > would prefer JIRA to Bugzilla, before we actually start creating
> > projects and so forth...
>
> I also wouldn't mind Jira, I was just following what was in the proposal
> :)
I would actually recommend JIRA over Bugzilla, because of all the increased
ease of use for both users and developers, and because of the additional
functionality, such as dashboards and roadmaps, which make it much more than
just a bug tracking system. The communities I'm involved with that have
switched from Bugzilla to JIRA are definitely glad they so.
--
Martin Cooper
-Paul
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Re: [VOTE-RESULT] Incubator to sponsor and accept Abdera for incubation
Posted by Yoav Shapira <yo...@apache.org>.
Hi,
I actually prefer Bugzilla as well, if only to stay at purely FOSS as
possible ;)
Yoav
On 6/5/06, James M Snell <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I personally prefer bugzilla for the simple fact that I've very little
> experience with Jira :-) ... either is fine tho... the proposal was just
> following what I saw in some of the other proposals :-)
>
> - James
>
> Paul Querna wrote:
> >[snip]
> >> Perhaps we should consult the initial project members and see if they
> >> would prefer JIRA to Bugzilla, before we actually start creating
> >> projects and so forth...
> >
> > I also wouldn't mind Jira, I was just following what was in the proposal :)
> >
> > -Paul
> >
> >
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Re: [VOTE-RESULT] Incubator to sponsor and accept Abdera for incubation
Posted by James M Snell <ja...@gmail.com>.
I personally prefer bugzilla for the simple fact that I've very little
experience with Jira :-) ... either is fine tho... the proposal was just
following what I saw in some of the other proposals :-)
- James
Paul Querna wrote:
>[snip]
>> Perhaps we should consult the initial project members and see if they
>> would prefer JIRA to Bugzilla, before we actually start creating
>> projects and so forth...
>
> I also wouldn't mind Jira, I was just following what was in the proposal :)
>
> -Paul
>
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Re: [VOTE-RESULT] Incubator to sponsor and accept Abdera for incubation
Posted by Paul Querna <ch...@force-elite.com>.
Garrett Rooney wrote:
> On 6/5/06, Paul Querna <ch...@force-elite.com> wrote:
>> Garrett Rooney wrote:
>> > On 6/5/06, Sam Ruby <ru...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >> Sam Ruby wrote:
>> >>
>> >> With the following votes cast:
>> >>
>> >> +1 Sam Ruby
>> >> +1 Garrett Rooney
>> >> +1 Paul Fremantle
>> >> +1 Davanum Srinivas
>> >> +1 Yoav Shapira
>> >> +1 Jim Jagielski
>> >> +1 Robert Burrell Donkin
>> >> +1 Martin Cooper
>> >> +1 Geir Magnusson Jr
>> >>
>> >> ... this vote passes.
>> >>
>> >> At this point I'd like to ask that the mentors (Garrett Rooney, and
>> Paul
>> >> Querna) create the status file and work with infrastructure to get the
>> >> necessary mailing lists, repository, and the like set up.
>> >
>> > I'd be happy to do so, but I probably won't have time until later this
>> > week. If someone beats me to it, more power to them.
>>
>> Mailing lists:
>> http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-829
>>
>> Repository:
>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/abdera/
>>
>> Initial committers:
>> abdera=eliast,rubys,yoavs
>>
>> James M Snell and Robert Yates do not have CLAs or accounts.
>>
>> Bugzilla:
>> http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-830
>
> Perhaps we should consult the initial project members and see if they
> would prefer JIRA to Bugzilla, before we actually start creating
> projects and so forth...
I also wouldn't mind Jira, I was just following what was in the proposal :)
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Re: [VOTE-RESULT] Incubator to sponsor and accept Abdera for incubation
Posted by Garrett Rooney <ro...@electricjellyfish.net>.
On 6/5/06, Paul Querna <ch...@force-elite.com> wrote:
> Garrett Rooney wrote:
> > On 6/5/06, Sam Ruby <ru...@apache.org> wrote:
> >> Sam Ruby wrote:
> >>
> >> With the following votes cast:
> >>
> >> +1 Sam Ruby
> >> +1 Garrett Rooney
> >> +1 Paul Fremantle
> >> +1 Davanum Srinivas
> >> +1 Yoav Shapira
> >> +1 Jim Jagielski
> >> +1 Robert Burrell Donkin
> >> +1 Martin Cooper
> >> +1 Geir Magnusson Jr
> >>
> >> ... this vote passes.
> >>
> >> At this point I'd like to ask that the mentors (Garrett Rooney, and Paul
> >> Querna) create the status file and work with infrastructure to get the
> >> necessary mailing lists, repository, and the like set up.
> >
> > I'd be happy to do so, but I probably won't have time until later this
> > week. If someone beats me to it, more power to them.
>
> Mailing lists:
> http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-829
>
> Repository:
> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/abdera/
>
> Initial committers:
> abdera=eliast,rubys,yoavs
>
> James M Snell and Robert Yates do not have CLAs or accounts.
>
> Bugzilla:
> http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-830
Perhaps we should consult the initial project members and see if they
would prefer JIRA to Bugzilla, before we actually start creating
projects and so forth...
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Re: [VOTE-RESULT] Incubator to sponsor and accept Abdera for incubation
Posted by Paul Querna <ch...@force-elite.com>.
Garrett Rooney wrote:
> On 6/5/06, Sam Ruby <ru...@apache.org> wrote:
>> Sam Ruby wrote:
>>
>> With the following votes cast:
>>
>> +1 Sam Ruby
>> +1 Garrett Rooney
>> +1 Paul Fremantle
>> +1 Davanum Srinivas
>> +1 Yoav Shapira
>> +1 Jim Jagielski
>> +1 Robert Burrell Donkin
>> +1 Martin Cooper
>> +1 Geir Magnusson Jr
>>
>> ... this vote passes.
>>
>> At this point I'd like to ask that the mentors (Garrett Rooney, and Paul
>> Querna) create the status file and work with infrastructure to get the
>> necessary mailing lists, repository, and the like set up.
>
> I'd be happy to do so, but I probably won't have time until later this
> week. If someone beats me to it, more power to them.
Mailing lists:
http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-829
Repository:
https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/abdera/
Initial committers:
abdera=eliast,rubys,yoavs
James M Snell and Robert Yates do not have CLAs or accounts.
Bugzilla:
http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-830
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Re: [VOTE-RESULT] Incubator to sponsor and accept Abdera for incubation
Posted by Garrett Rooney <ro...@electricjellyfish.net>.
On 6/5/06, Sam Ruby <ru...@apache.org> wrote:
> Sam Ruby wrote:
>
> With the following votes cast:
>
> +1 Sam Ruby
> +1 Garrett Rooney
> +1 Paul Fremantle
> +1 Davanum Srinivas
> +1 Yoav Shapira
> +1 Jim Jagielski
> +1 Robert Burrell Donkin
> +1 Martin Cooper
> +1 Geir Magnusson Jr
>
> ... this vote passes.
>
> At this point I'd like to ask that the mentors (Garrett Rooney, and Paul
> Querna) create the status file and work with infrastructure to get the
> necessary mailing lists, repository, and the like set up.
I'd be happy to do so, but I probably won't have time until later this
week. If someone beats me to it, more power to them.
-garrett
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[VOTE-RESULT] Incubator to sponsor and accept Abdera for incubation
Posted by Sam Ruby <ru...@apache.org>.
Sam Ruby wrote:
With the following votes cast:
+1 Sam Ruby
+1 Garrett Rooney
+1 Paul Fremantle
+1 Davanum Srinivas
+1 Yoav Shapira
+1 Jim Jagielski
+1 Robert Burrell Donkin
+1 Martin Cooper
+1 Geir Magnusson Jr
... this vote passes.
At this point I'd like to ask that the mentors (Garrett Rooney, and Paul
Querna) create the status file and work with infrastructure to get the
necessary mailing lists, repository, and the like set up.
- Sam Ruby
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Re: [VOTE] Incubator to sponsor and accept Abdera for incubation
Posted by Geir Magnusson Jr <ge...@pobox.com>.
+1
Sam Ruby wrote:
> This proposal seems to have generated a lot of geniune interest, so now
> I'm calling for a vote for the Incubator to formally accept it.
>
> A few editorial comments: at this point, I have little doubt that this
> codebase will attract a diverse and sustainable community. My concern
> is now the reverse: seeing talks of Rome join in and there being talk of
> these two merging with Roller... seems both very exciting... as well a
> bit premature.
>
> In my mind, the best way to find out what shape the community will take
> is to watch it incubate. Therefore, I'd like to explicitly propose that
> we neither predetermine nor rule out any possible destination for this.
> It could become a TLP. It could merge with Rome and/or other feed
> libraries, if they get proposed to the ASF. It could all get subsumed
> into Roller. My initial concerns are, respectively, critical mass,
> potentially divergent goals, and Umbrella -- each, of course, could be
> addressed/mitigated, that's why I am recommendating that we defer this
> decision until we have had a chance to observe the community. (Note:
> this is not a new idea, I've suggested it on number of occasions before).
>
> With all that said, here's my
>
> +1
>
> - Sam Ruby
>
> - - -
>
>>>From http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/AbderaProposal :
>
> ## page was renamed from AriProposal
> = Abdera, an Atom Implementation Proposal =
>
> == 0. Rationale ==
>
> The fundamental goal of the project is to provide a high-quality and
> functionally-complete implementation of the Atom Syndication Format
> (RFC4287) and the Atom Publishing Protocol specifications published by
> the IETF Atompub working group.
>
> (the ancient city of Abdera, Thrace was the birthplace of the Greek
> Philosopher Democritus, one of the
> [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democritus co-originators of "atomism"])
>
> == 0.1 Criteria ==
>
> === Meritocracy: ===
>
> Apache was chosen for an incubator for the guidance the community can
> provide.
>
> === Community: ===
>
> The contributed work was inspired by open source development and by the
> need to have functionally complete implementations of the Atom
> specifications available for developers to use. To be successful, the
> project needs to build a strong and diverse community to validate its
> mission and carry it forward. Further, the project needs to be guided by
> the same general principles of open and transparent development that has
> helped to shape the standards upon which the project is based.
>
> === Core Developers: ===
>
> The initial committers for the project are employees of the donating
> company. Two of the developers have worked on open source projects
> before and have experience with and a deep understanding of open source
> principles.
>
> === Alignment: ===
>
> The initial code has been implemented in Java and is based primarily on
> the same Apache Axiom / StAX XML parsing API that underpins the Apache
> Axis2 project. As such, the implementations draws heavily on the work
> of other existing Apache projects and will continue to do so.
>
> == 0.2 Warning signs ==
>
> === Orphaned products: ===
>
> The initial committers are users of this toolkit and have a long-term
> interest in use and maintenance of the code.
>
> === Inexperience with open source: ===
>
> Several of the commiters are very experienced in Open Source
> environment. All efforts have and will be made to ensure that the work
> done and momentum will be in strict adherence to open source guidelines.
>
> === Homogenous developers: ===
>
> As noted above, the initial list of developers consists of paid
> employees of the donating company. However, efforts will be made to
> actively expand the team of developers committing to the project.
>
> The current list of committers bring with them a broad range of
> experiences with open source, standards, emerging technologies, and
> product development.
>
> === Reliance on salaried developers: ===
>
> The initial set of committers are salaried developers. Through the
> incubation process, more diversity will hopefully be achieved in many
> aspects, including reliance on salaried developers.
>
> === No ties to other Apache products: ===
>
> The initial codebase relies heavily on existing Apache technologies and
> will continue to do so.
>
> === A fascination with the Apache brand: ===
>
> The committers are intent on developing a strong open source community.
> We believe that the Apache Software Foundation's emphasis on community
> development makes it the most suitable choice.
>
> == 1. Scope of the subprojects ==
>
> The initial scope of the project will be the development of a
> functionally-complete Java-language implementation of the Atom
> Syndication Format and Atom Publishing Protocol specifications, along
> with a selection of extensions and utility functions. It is expected,
> however, that C/C++ and possibly other language implementations will be
> explored in the future.
>
> The Atom Syndication Format implementation will include a
> high-performance parser and serializer for Atom documents, a set of
> API's for working with the Atom data model, support for a variety of
> extensions to the Atom format, and support for various advanced features
> such as XPath, XML Digital Signatures, Feed paging, etc.
>
> The Atom Publishing Protocol implementation will include both client and
> server implementations designed with the dual purpose of demonstrating
> the proper function of the protocol and providing the tools necessary to
> build and deploy Atom Publishing-based applications.
>
> == 2. Initial source ==
>
> The initial source for the project was originally written to address the
> needs of the donating company's own internal Atom development
> activities. A snapshot of the initial source is available at
> http://www.snellspace.com/public/abdera.tar.gz.
>
> == 2.1 External Dependencies of the project ==
>
> The current implemenation depends on the following components:
>
> * Apache Axiom 1.0
> * StAX XML API's
> * The Woodstox XML Parser
> * Java Activation Framework (JAF) and JavaMail API
> * Jaxen (optional for XPath support)
> * Junit (for unit testing)
> * Apache Ant (for the build)
>
> == 3. Identify the ASF resources to be created ==
>
> == 3.1 mailing list(s) ==
>
> * abdera-ppmc (moderated subscriptions)
> * abdera-dev
> * abdera-commits
> * abdera-user
>
> == 3.2 Subversion repository ==
>
> * https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/abdera
>
> == 3.3 Bugzilla ==
>
> * Abdera
>
> == 4. Identify the initial set of committers: ==
>
> * James M Snell (IBM)
> * Sam Ruby (IBM)
> * Robert Yates (IBM)
>
> == 5. Identify Apache sponsoring individual ==
>
> We request that the Apache Incubator PMC sponsor the Abdera Atom
> implementation as an incubating project.
>
> Champion: Sam Ruby
>
> Mentors:
>
> * Garrett Rooney
> * Paul Querna
>
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Re: [VOTE] Incubator to sponsor and accept Abdera for incubation
Posted by Martin Cooper <ma...@apache.org>.
On 5/31/06, Sam Ruby <ru...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> This proposal seems to have generated a lot of geniune interest, so now
> I'm calling for a vote for the Incubator to formally accept it.
>
> A few editorial comments: at this point, I have little doubt that this
> codebase will attract a diverse and sustainable community. My concern
> is now the reverse: seeing talks of Rome join in and there being talk of
> these two merging with Roller... seems both very exciting... as well a
> bit premature.
>
> In my mind, the best way to find out what shape the community will take
> is to watch it incubate. Therefore, I'd like to explicitly propose that
> we neither predetermine nor rule out any possible destination for this.
> It could become a TLP. It could merge with Rome and/or other feed
> libraries, if they get proposed to the ASF. It could all get subsumed
> into Roller. My initial concerns are, respectively, critical mass,
> potentially divergent goals, and Umbrella -- each, of course, could be
> addressed/mitigated, that's why I am recommendating that we defer this
> decision until we have had a chance to observe the community. (Note:
> this is not a new idea, I've suggested it on number of occasions before).
>
> With all that said, here's my
>
> +1
+1 from me too. I'll also be interested to see the direction this takes.
I was very tempted to volunteer as mentor #3, but the timing is wrong right
now for me to devote adequate time for that. I will, however, undoubtedly
hang out on the lists.
--
Martin Cooper
- Sam Ruby
>
Re: [VOTE] Incubator to sponsor and accept Abdera for incubation
Posted by Jim Jagielski <ji...@jaguNET.com>.
On May 31, 2006, at 9:13 PM, Sam Ruby wrote:
> This proposal seems to have generated a lot of geniune interest, so
> now
> I'm calling for a vote for the Incubator to formally accept it.
>
> A few editorial comments: at this point, I have little doubt that this
> codebase will attract a diverse and sustainable community. My concern
> is now the reverse: seeing talks of Rome join in and there being
> talk of
> these two merging with Roller... seems both very exciting... as well a
> bit premature.
>
> In my mind, the best way to find out what shape the community will
> take
> is to watch it incubate. Therefore, I'd like to explicitly propose
> that
> we neither predetermine nor rule out any possible destination for
> this.
> It could become a TLP. It could merge with Rome and/or other feed
> libraries, if they get proposed to the ASF. It could all get subsumed
> into Roller. My initial concerns are, respectively, critical mass,
> potentially divergent goals, and Umbrella -- each, of course, could be
> addressed/mitigated, that's why I am recommendating that we defer this
> decision until we have had a chance to observe the community. (Note:
> this is not a new idea, I've suggested it on number of occasions
> before).
>
> With all that said, here's my
>
> +1
>
And mine: +1
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Re: [VOTE] Incubator to sponsor and accept Abdera for incubation
Posted by James M Snell <ja...@gmail.com>.
Yoav Shapira wrote:
> Hi,
> +1 on accepting the proposal for incubation.
>
> I am also interested in personally contributing to this project as a
> committer, though I regretfully do not have the bandwidth to
> effectively mentor this proposal. I hope the proposal team doesn't
> mind that I've just added myself to the wiki as a member of the
> initial set of committers.
>
Don't mind at all.
- James
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Re: [VOTE] Incubator to sponsor and accept Abdera for incubation
Posted by Yoav Shapira <yo...@apache.org>.
Hi,
+1 on accepting the proposal for incubation.
I am also interested in personally contributing to this project as a
committer, though I regretfully do not have the bandwidth to
effectively mentor this proposal. I hope the proposal team doesn't
mind that I've just added myself to the wiki as a member of the
initial set of committers.
Yoav
On 6/1/06, Davanum Srinivas <da...@gmail.com> wrote:
> +1 from me.
>
> On 6/1/06, Paul Fremantle <pz...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > +1 from me.
> >
> > Paul
> >
> > On 6/1/06, Sam Ruby <ru...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > This proposal seems to have generated a lot of geniune interest, so now
> > > I'm calling for a vote for the Incubator to formally accept it.
> > >
> > > A few editorial comments: at this point, I have little doubt that this
> > > codebase will attract a diverse and sustainable community. My concern
> > > is now the reverse: seeing talks of Rome join in and there being talk of
> > > these two merging with Roller... seems both very exciting... as well a
> > > bit premature.
> > >
> > > In my mind, the best way to find out what shape the community will take
> > > is to watch it incubate. Therefore, I'd like to explicitly propose that
> > > we neither predetermine nor rule out any possible destination for this.
> > > It could become a TLP. It could merge with Rome and/or other feed
> > > libraries, if they get proposed to the ASF. It could all get subsumed
> > > into Roller. My initial concerns are, respectively, critical mass,
> > > potentially divergent goals, and Umbrella -- each, of course, could be
> > > addressed/mitigated, that's why I am recommendating that we defer this
> > > decision until we have had a chance to observe the community. (Note:
> > > this is not a new idea, I've suggested it on number of occasions before).
> > >
> > > With all that said, here's my
> > >
> > > +1
> > >
> > > - Sam Ruby
> > >
> > > - - -
> > >
> > > From http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/AbderaProposal :
> > >
> > > ## page was renamed from AriProposal
> > > = Abdera, an Atom Implementation Proposal =
> > >
> > > == 0. Rationale ==
> > >
> > > The fundamental goal of the project is to provide a high-quality and
> > > functionally-complete implementation of the Atom Syndication Format
> > > (RFC4287) and the Atom Publishing Protocol specifications published by
> > > the IETF Atompub working group.
> > >
> > > (the ancient city of Abdera, Thrace was the birthplace of the Greek
> > > Philosopher Democritus, one of the
> > > [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democritus co-originators of "atomism"])
> > >
> > > == 0.1 Criteria ==
> > >
> > > === Meritocracy: ===
> > >
> > > Apache was chosen for an incubator for the guidance the community can
> > > provide.
> > >
> > > === Community: ===
> > >
> > > The contributed work was inspired by open source development and by the
> > > need to have functionally complete implementations of the Atom
> > > specifications available for developers to use. To be successful, the
> > > project needs to build a strong and diverse community to validate its
> > > mission and carry it forward. Further, the project needs to be guided by
> > > the same general principles of open and transparent development that has
> > > helped to shape the standards upon which the project is based.
> > >
> > > === Core Developers: ===
> > >
> > > The initial committers for the project are employees of the donating
> > > company. Two of the developers have worked on open source projects
> > > before and have experience with and a deep understanding of open source
> > > principles.
> > >
> > > === Alignment: ===
> > >
> > > The initial code has been implemented in Java and is based primarily on
> > > the same Apache Axiom / StAX XML parsing API that underpins the Apache
> > > Axis2 project. As such, the implementations draws heavily on the work
> > > of other existing Apache projects and will continue to do so.
> > >
> > > == 0.2 Warning signs ==
> > >
> > > === Orphaned products: ===
> > >
> > > The initial committers are users of this toolkit and have a long-term
> > > interest in use and maintenance of the code.
> > >
> > > === Inexperience with open source: ===
> > >
> > > Several of the commiters are very experienced in Open Source
> > > environment. All efforts have and will be made to ensure that the work
> > > done and momentum will be in strict adherence to open source guidelines.
> > >
> > > === Homogenous developers: ===
> > >
> > > As noted above, the initial list of developers consists of paid
> > > employees of the donating company. However, efforts will be made to
> > > actively expand the team of developers committing to the project.
> > >
> > > The current list of committers bring with them a broad range of
> > > experiences with open source, standards, emerging technologies, and
> > > product development.
> > >
> > > === Reliance on salaried developers: ===
> > >
> > > The initial set of committers are salaried developers. Through the
> > > incubation process, more diversity will hopefully be achieved in many
> > > aspects, including reliance on salaried developers.
> > >
> > > === No ties to other Apache products: ===
> > >
> > > The initial codebase relies heavily on existing Apache technologies and
> > > will continue to do so.
> > >
> > > === A fascination with the Apache brand: ===
> > >
> > > The committers are intent on developing a strong open source community.
> > > We believe that the Apache Software Foundation's emphasis on community
> > > development makes it the most suitable choice.
> > >
> > > == 1. Scope of the subprojects ==
> > >
> > > The initial scope of the project will be the development of a
> > > functionally-complete Java-language implementation of the Atom
> > > Syndication Format and Atom Publishing Protocol specifications, along
> > > with a selection of extensions and utility functions. It is expected,
> > > however, that C/C++ and possibly other language implementations will be
> > > explored in the future.
> > >
> > > The Atom Syndication Format implementation will include a
> > > high-performance parser and serializer for Atom documents, a set of
> > > API's for working with the Atom data model, support for a variety of
> > > extensions to the Atom format, and support for various advanced features
> > > such as XPath, XML Digital Signatures, Feed paging, etc.
> > >
> > > The Atom Publishing Protocol implementation will include both client and
> > > server implementations designed with the dual purpose of demonstrating
> > > the proper function of the protocol and providing the tools necessary to
> > > build and deploy Atom Publishing-based applications.
> > >
> > > == 2. Initial source ==
> > >
> > > The initial source for the project was originally written to address the
> > > needs of the donating company's own internal Atom development
> > > activities. A snapshot of the initial source is available at
> > > http://www.snellspace.com/public/abdera.tar.gz.
> > >
> > > == 2.1 External Dependencies of the project ==
> > >
> > > The current implemenation depends on the following components:
> > >
> > > * Apache Axiom 1.0
> > > * StAX XML API's
> > > * The Woodstox XML Parser
> > > * Java Activation Framework (JAF) and JavaMail API
> > > * Jaxen (optional for XPath support)
> > > * Junit (for unit testing)
> > > * Apache Ant (for the build)
> > >
> > > == 3. Identify the ASF resources to be created ==
> > >
> > > == 3.1 mailing list(s) ==
> > >
> > > * abdera-ppmc (moderated subscriptions)
> > > * abdera-dev
> > > * abdera-commits
> > > * abdera-user
> > >
> > > == 3.2 Subversion repository ==
> > >
> > > * https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/abdera
> > >
> > > == 3.3 Bugzilla ==
> > >
> > > * Abdera
> > >
> > > == 4. Identify the initial set of committers: ==
> > >
> > > * James M Snell (IBM)
> > > * Sam Ruby (IBM)
> > > * Robert Yates (IBM)
> > >
> > > == 5. Identify Apache sponsoring individual ==
> > >
> > > We request that the Apache Incubator PMC sponsor the Abdera Atom
> > > implementation as an incubating project.
> > >
> > > Champion: Sam Ruby
> > >
> > > Mentors:
> > >
> > > * Garrett Rooney
> > > * Paul Querna
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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> > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Paul Fremantle
> > VP/Technology, WSO2 and OASIS WS-RX TC Co-chair
> >
> > http://bloglines.com/blog/paulfremantle
> > paul@wso2.com
> >
> > "Oxygenating the Web Service Platform", www.wso2.com
> >
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> >
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Re: [VOTE] Incubator to sponsor and accept Abdera for incubation
Posted by Davanum Srinivas <da...@gmail.com>.
+1 from me.
On 6/1/06, Paul Fremantle <pz...@gmail.com> wrote:
> +1 from me.
>
> Paul
>
> On 6/1/06, Sam Ruby <ru...@apache.org> wrote:
> > This proposal seems to have generated a lot of geniune interest, so now
> > I'm calling for a vote for the Incubator to formally accept it.
> >
> > A few editorial comments: at this point, I have little doubt that this
> > codebase will attract a diverse and sustainable community. My concern
> > is now the reverse: seeing talks of Rome join in and there being talk of
> > these two merging with Roller... seems both very exciting... as well a
> > bit premature.
> >
> > In my mind, the best way to find out what shape the community will take
> > is to watch it incubate. Therefore, I'd like to explicitly propose that
> > we neither predetermine nor rule out any possible destination for this.
> > It could become a TLP. It could merge with Rome and/or other feed
> > libraries, if they get proposed to the ASF. It could all get subsumed
> > into Roller. My initial concerns are, respectively, critical mass,
> > potentially divergent goals, and Umbrella -- each, of course, could be
> > addressed/mitigated, that's why I am recommendating that we defer this
> > decision until we have had a chance to observe the community. (Note:
> > this is not a new idea, I've suggested it on number of occasions before).
> >
> > With all that said, here's my
> >
> > +1
> >
> > - Sam Ruby
> >
> > - - -
> >
> > From http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/AbderaProposal :
> >
> > ## page was renamed from AriProposal
> > = Abdera, an Atom Implementation Proposal =
> >
> > == 0. Rationale ==
> >
> > The fundamental goal of the project is to provide a high-quality and
> > functionally-complete implementation of the Atom Syndication Format
> > (RFC4287) and the Atom Publishing Protocol specifications published by
> > the IETF Atompub working group.
> >
> > (the ancient city of Abdera, Thrace was the birthplace of the Greek
> > Philosopher Democritus, one of the
> > [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democritus co-originators of "atomism"])
> >
> > == 0.1 Criteria ==
> >
> > === Meritocracy: ===
> >
> > Apache was chosen for an incubator for the guidance the community can
> > provide.
> >
> > === Community: ===
> >
> > The contributed work was inspired by open source development and by the
> > need to have functionally complete implementations of the Atom
> > specifications available for developers to use. To be successful, the
> > project needs to build a strong and diverse community to validate its
> > mission and carry it forward. Further, the project needs to be guided by
> > the same general principles of open and transparent development that has
> > helped to shape the standards upon which the project is based.
> >
> > === Core Developers: ===
> >
> > The initial committers for the project are employees of the donating
> > company. Two of the developers have worked on open source projects
> > before and have experience with and a deep understanding of open source
> > principles.
> >
> > === Alignment: ===
> >
> > The initial code has been implemented in Java and is based primarily on
> > the same Apache Axiom / StAX XML parsing API that underpins the Apache
> > Axis2 project. As such, the implementations draws heavily on the work
> > of other existing Apache projects and will continue to do so.
> >
> > == 0.2 Warning signs ==
> >
> > === Orphaned products: ===
> >
> > The initial committers are users of this toolkit and have a long-term
> > interest in use and maintenance of the code.
> >
> > === Inexperience with open source: ===
> >
> > Several of the commiters are very experienced in Open Source
> > environment. All efforts have and will be made to ensure that the work
> > done and momentum will be in strict adherence to open source guidelines.
> >
> > === Homogenous developers: ===
> >
> > As noted above, the initial list of developers consists of paid
> > employees of the donating company. However, efforts will be made to
> > actively expand the team of developers committing to the project.
> >
> > The current list of committers bring with them a broad range of
> > experiences with open source, standards, emerging technologies, and
> > product development.
> >
> > === Reliance on salaried developers: ===
> >
> > The initial set of committers are salaried developers. Through the
> > incubation process, more diversity will hopefully be achieved in many
> > aspects, including reliance on salaried developers.
> >
> > === No ties to other Apache products: ===
> >
> > The initial codebase relies heavily on existing Apache technologies and
> > will continue to do so.
> >
> > === A fascination with the Apache brand: ===
> >
> > The committers are intent on developing a strong open source community.
> > We believe that the Apache Software Foundation's emphasis on community
> > development makes it the most suitable choice.
> >
> > == 1. Scope of the subprojects ==
> >
> > The initial scope of the project will be the development of a
> > functionally-complete Java-language implementation of the Atom
> > Syndication Format and Atom Publishing Protocol specifications, along
> > with a selection of extensions and utility functions. It is expected,
> > however, that C/C++ and possibly other language implementations will be
> > explored in the future.
> >
> > The Atom Syndication Format implementation will include a
> > high-performance parser and serializer for Atom documents, a set of
> > API's for working with the Atom data model, support for a variety of
> > extensions to the Atom format, and support for various advanced features
> > such as XPath, XML Digital Signatures, Feed paging, etc.
> >
> > The Atom Publishing Protocol implementation will include both client and
> > server implementations designed with the dual purpose of demonstrating
> > the proper function of the protocol and providing the tools necessary to
> > build and deploy Atom Publishing-based applications.
> >
> > == 2. Initial source ==
> >
> > The initial source for the project was originally written to address the
> > needs of the donating company's own internal Atom development
> > activities. A snapshot of the initial source is available at
> > http://www.snellspace.com/public/abdera.tar.gz.
> >
> > == 2.1 External Dependencies of the project ==
> >
> > The current implemenation depends on the following components:
> >
> > * Apache Axiom 1.0
> > * StAX XML API's
> > * The Woodstox XML Parser
> > * Java Activation Framework (JAF) and JavaMail API
> > * Jaxen (optional for XPath support)
> > * Junit (for unit testing)
> > * Apache Ant (for the build)
> >
> > == 3. Identify the ASF resources to be created ==
> >
> > == 3.1 mailing list(s) ==
> >
> > * abdera-ppmc (moderated subscriptions)
> > * abdera-dev
> > * abdera-commits
> > * abdera-user
> >
> > == 3.2 Subversion repository ==
> >
> > * https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/abdera
> >
> > == 3.3 Bugzilla ==
> >
> > * Abdera
> >
> > == 4. Identify the initial set of committers: ==
> >
> > * James M Snell (IBM)
> > * Sam Ruby (IBM)
> > * Robert Yates (IBM)
> >
> > == 5. Identify Apache sponsoring individual ==
> >
> > We request that the Apache Incubator PMC sponsor the Abdera Atom
> > implementation as an incubating project.
> >
> > Champion: Sam Ruby
> >
> > Mentors:
> >
> > * Garrett Rooney
> > * Paul Querna
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
> > For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
> >
> >
>
>
> --
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> VP/Technology, WSO2 and OASIS WS-RX TC Co-chair
>
> http://bloglines.com/blog/paulfremantle
> paul@wso2.com
>
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Re: [VOTE] Incubator to sponsor and accept Abdera for incubation
Posted by Paul Fremantle <pz...@gmail.com>.
+1 from me.
Paul
On 6/1/06, Sam Ruby <ru...@apache.org> wrote:
> This proposal seems to have generated a lot of geniune interest, so now
> I'm calling for a vote for the Incubator to formally accept it.
>
> A few editorial comments: at this point, I have little doubt that this
> codebase will attract a diverse and sustainable community. My concern
> is now the reverse: seeing talks of Rome join in and there being talk of
> these two merging with Roller... seems both very exciting... as well a
> bit premature.
>
> In my mind, the best way to find out what shape the community will take
> is to watch it incubate. Therefore, I'd like to explicitly propose that
> we neither predetermine nor rule out any possible destination for this.
> It could become a TLP. It could merge with Rome and/or other feed
> libraries, if they get proposed to the ASF. It could all get subsumed
> into Roller. My initial concerns are, respectively, critical mass,
> potentially divergent goals, and Umbrella -- each, of course, could be
> addressed/mitigated, that's why I am recommendating that we defer this
> decision until we have had a chance to observe the community. (Note:
> this is not a new idea, I've suggested it on number of occasions before).
>
> With all that said, here's my
>
> +1
>
> - Sam Ruby
>
> - - -
>
> From http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/AbderaProposal :
>
> ## page was renamed from AriProposal
> = Abdera, an Atom Implementation Proposal =
>
> == 0. Rationale ==
>
> The fundamental goal of the project is to provide a high-quality and
> functionally-complete implementation of the Atom Syndication Format
> (RFC4287) and the Atom Publishing Protocol specifications published by
> the IETF Atompub working group.
>
> (the ancient city of Abdera, Thrace was the birthplace of the Greek
> Philosopher Democritus, one of the
> [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democritus co-originators of "atomism"])
>
> == 0.1 Criteria ==
>
> === Meritocracy: ===
>
> Apache was chosen for an incubator for the guidance the community can
> provide.
>
> === Community: ===
>
> The contributed work was inspired by open source development and by the
> need to have functionally complete implementations of the Atom
> specifications available for developers to use. To be successful, the
> project needs to build a strong and diverse community to validate its
> mission and carry it forward. Further, the project needs to be guided by
> the same general principles of open and transparent development that has
> helped to shape the standards upon which the project is based.
>
> === Core Developers: ===
>
> The initial committers for the project are employees of the donating
> company. Two of the developers have worked on open source projects
> before and have experience with and a deep understanding of open source
> principles.
>
> === Alignment: ===
>
> The initial code has been implemented in Java and is based primarily on
> the same Apache Axiom / StAX XML parsing API that underpins the Apache
> Axis2 project. As such, the implementations draws heavily on the work
> of other existing Apache projects and will continue to do so.
>
> == 0.2 Warning signs ==
>
> === Orphaned products: ===
>
> The initial committers are users of this toolkit and have a long-term
> interest in use and maintenance of the code.
>
> === Inexperience with open source: ===
>
> Several of the commiters are very experienced in Open Source
> environment. All efforts have and will be made to ensure that the work
> done and momentum will be in strict adherence to open source guidelines.
>
> === Homogenous developers: ===
>
> As noted above, the initial list of developers consists of paid
> employees of the donating company. However, efforts will be made to
> actively expand the team of developers committing to the project.
>
> The current list of committers bring with them a broad range of
> experiences with open source, standards, emerging technologies, and
> product development.
>
> === Reliance on salaried developers: ===
>
> The initial set of committers are salaried developers. Through the
> incubation process, more diversity will hopefully be achieved in many
> aspects, including reliance on salaried developers.
>
> === No ties to other Apache products: ===
>
> The initial codebase relies heavily on existing Apache technologies and
> will continue to do so.
>
> === A fascination with the Apache brand: ===
>
> The committers are intent on developing a strong open source community.
> We believe that the Apache Software Foundation's emphasis on community
> development makes it the most suitable choice.
>
> == 1. Scope of the subprojects ==
>
> The initial scope of the project will be the development of a
> functionally-complete Java-language implementation of the Atom
> Syndication Format and Atom Publishing Protocol specifications, along
> with a selection of extensions and utility functions. It is expected,
> however, that C/C++ and possibly other language implementations will be
> explored in the future.
>
> The Atom Syndication Format implementation will include a
> high-performance parser and serializer for Atom documents, a set of
> API's for working with the Atom data model, support for a variety of
> extensions to the Atom format, and support for various advanced features
> such as XPath, XML Digital Signatures, Feed paging, etc.
>
> The Atom Publishing Protocol implementation will include both client and
> server implementations designed with the dual purpose of demonstrating
> the proper function of the protocol and providing the tools necessary to
> build and deploy Atom Publishing-based applications.
>
> == 2. Initial source ==
>
> The initial source for the project was originally written to address the
> needs of the donating company's own internal Atom development
> activities. A snapshot of the initial source is available at
> http://www.snellspace.com/public/abdera.tar.gz.
>
> == 2.1 External Dependencies of the project ==
>
> The current implemenation depends on the following components:
>
> * Apache Axiom 1.0
> * StAX XML API's
> * The Woodstox XML Parser
> * Java Activation Framework (JAF) and JavaMail API
> * Jaxen (optional for XPath support)
> * Junit (for unit testing)
> * Apache Ant (for the build)
>
> == 3. Identify the ASF resources to be created ==
>
> == 3.1 mailing list(s) ==
>
> * abdera-ppmc (moderated subscriptions)
> * abdera-dev
> * abdera-commits
> * abdera-user
>
> == 3.2 Subversion repository ==
>
> * https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/abdera
>
> == 3.3 Bugzilla ==
>
> * Abdera
>
> == 4. Identify the initial set of committers: ==
>
> * James M Snell (IBM)
> * Sam Ruby (IBM)
> * Robert Yates (IBM)
>
> == 5. Identify Apache sponsoring individual ==
>
> We request that the Apache Incubator PMC sponsor the Abdera Atom
> implementation as an incubating project.
>
> Champion: Sam Ruby
>
> Mentors:
>
> * Garrett Rooney
> * Paul Querna
>
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Re: [VOTE] Incubator to sponsor and accept Abdera for incubation
Posted by Garrett Rooney <ro...@electricjellyfish.net>.
On 5/31/06, Sam Ruby <ru...@apache.org> wrote:
> This proposal seems to have generated a lot of geniune interest, so now
> I'm calling for a vote for the Incubator to formally accept it.
>
> A few editorial comments: at this point, I have little doubt that this
> codebase will attract a diverse and sustainable community. My concern
> is now the reverse: seeing talks of Rome join in and there being talk of
> these two merging with Roller... seems both very exciting... as well a
> bit premature.
>
> In my mind, the best way to find out what shape the community will take
> is to watch it incubate. Therefore, I'd like to explicitly propose that
> we neither predetermine nor rule out any possible destination for this.
> It could become a TLP. It could merge with Rome and/or other feed
> libraries, if they get proposed to the ASF. It could all get subsumed
> into Roller. My initial concerns are, respectively, critical mass,
> potentially divergent goals, and Umbrella -- each, of course, could be
> addressed/mitigated, that's why I am recommendating that we defer this
> decision until we have had a chance to observe the community. (Note:
> this is not a new idea, I've suggested it on number of occasions before).
>
> With all that said, here's my
>
> +1
I agree that there are numerous issues that will need to be worked out
as time goes on, primarily with regard to project scope, but that can
be worked out in the future. It seems clear that there is enough
interest for us to do SOMETHING in this space, and the details will
depend on the actual community that grows up around this project.
So likewise, +1 from me.
-garrett
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Re: [VOTE] Incubator to sponsor and accept Abdera for incubation
Posted by robert burrell donkin <ro...@gmail.com>.
On 6/1/06, Sam Ruby <ru...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Leo Simons wrote:
> >>
> >>Champion: Sam Ruby
> >>
> >>Mentors:
> >>
> >> * Garrett Rooney
> >> * Paul Querna
> >
> > One more would be good :-). Perhaps you should volunteer -- you're
> > pretty good at it...and you'll be working on the stuff anyway...
>
> Only as a last resort. ;-)
First, I'm of the camp that the right number of mentors is one, but I
> respect that others differ on this.
there are some good reasons to prefer three mentors. in particular, three
gives a natural quorum for binding decisions. this reduces friction and
assists smooth flow. (browse the roller lists both public and private to see
the disadvantages of a single mentor no matter how good the community and
mentor.)
anyway, i'm +1 to seeing how things work out...
- robert
Re: [VOTE] Incubator to sponsor and accept Abdera for incubation
Posted by James M Snell <ja...@gmail.com>.
Sam Ruby wrote:
>[snip]
> However, with that being said, whatever the wiki page may say, the
> people on this project will receive the benefit (ha!) of my personal
> style of quiet mentoring.
>
And your test cases. Don't forget your test cases. Test cases are Good. :-)
- James
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Re: [VOTE] Incubator to sponsor and accept Abdera for incubation
Posted by robert burrell donkin <ro...@gmail.com>.
On 6/2/06, Leo Simons <ma...@leosimons.com> wrote:
<snip>
I'm not so fond of the actual word "mentor" (or, for that matter,
> "champion") at all.
i dunno - champion's nicely quaint. i quite like the sound of sam having to
defend the honour of Abdera in mortal combat :-)
(i'll refrain from similar comments on the greek origins of the word mentor)
- robert
Re: [VOTE] Incubator to sponsor and accept Abdera for incubation
Posted by Leo Simons <ma...@leosimons.com>.
On Thu, Jun 01, 2006 at 10:17:44AM -0400, Sam Ruby wrote:
> >>Mentors:
> >
> > One more would be good :-)
>
> First, I'm of the camp that the right number of mentors is one, but I
> respect that others differ on this.
*shrug*. What's in a name...I'll be less brief below :-)
> Second, no matter how hard I try, some on this list (and on members@)
> can't seem to look past the fact that I have the letters I.B.M.
> permananently branded across my forehead. Their loss.
*I* blatantly refuse to accept that as any kind of reason for anything.
So especially not as an argument here :-). Ha!
> However, with that being said, whatever the wiki page may say, the
> people on this project will receive the benefit (ha!) of my personal
> style of quiet mentoring.
Ok ok, I knew that :-). What *I* like about the "three" in the
"three mentors" thing is that we have a status page somewhere
that points at three people who are
1) "known"
2) on the incubator PMC
3) looking at what the project is doing
4) somehow also some kind of "participant"
I'm not so fond of the actual word "mentor" (or, for that matter,
"champion") at all.
this means we are sure projects can get somehow enough "binding" (as per
"binding"-through-being-on-a-PMC-which-is-defined-in-the-bylaws formal kind
of binding) +1 votes on a variety of things and that any "PPMC" can make some
kinds of decisions on its own. For example, I think Harmony's been accepting
more corporate donations on its own than the rest of the incubator combined,
and this scales well because we have incubator PMC people ("mentors") watching
and casting votes (and writing status reports and having a traceable process
etc etc). Its about scaling the incubator.
Perhaps we can just do a list of "PMC people who consider themselves in a
role to cast votes as PMC members while on a PPMC". Call it (P)PMC(P). Or
assistant TPS report commissioner.
Anyhoo. Also happy to agree to disagree. Slowly getting better at that :-)
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Re: [VOTE] Incubator to sponsor and accept Abdera for incubation
Posted by Sam Ruby <ru...@apache.org>.
Leo Simons wrote:
>>
>>Champion: Sam Ruby
>>
>>Mentors:
>>
>> * Garrett Rooney
>> * Paul Querna
>
> One more would be good :-). Perhaps you should volunteer -- you're
> pretty good at it...and you'll be working on the stuff anyway...
Only as a last resort. ;-)
First, I'm of the camp that the right number of mentors is one, but I
respect that others differ on this.
Second, no matter how hard I try, some on this list (and on members@)
can't seem to look past the fact that I have the letters I.B.M.
permananently branded across my forehead. Their loss.
However, with that being said, whatever the wiki page may say, the
people on this project will receive the benefit (ha!) of my personal
style of quiet mentoring.
- Sam Ruby
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Re: [VOTE] Incubator to sponsor and accept Abdera for incubation
Posted by Leo Simons <ma...@leosimons.com>.
On Wed, May 31, 2006 at 09:13:25PM -0400, Sam Ruby wrote:
> This proposal seems to have generated a lot of geniune interest
yup, seems like it.
> We request that the Apache Incubator PMC sponsor the Abdera Atom
> implementation as an incubating project.
>
> Champion: Sam Ruby
>
> Mentors:
>
> * Garrett Rooney
> * Paul Querna
One more would be good :-). Perhaps you should volunteer -- you're
pretty good at it...and you'll be working on the stuff anyway...
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[VOTE] Incubator to sponsor and accept Abdera for incubation
Posted by Sam Ruby <ru...@apache.org>.
This proposal seems to have generated a lot of geniune interest, so now
I'm calling for a vote for the Incubator to formally accept it.
A few editorial comments: at this point, I have little doubt that this
codebase will attract a diverse and sustainable community. My concern
is now the reverse: seeing talks of Rome join in and there being talk of
these two merging with Roller... seems both very exciting... as well a
bit premature.
In my mind, the best way to find out what shape the community will take
is to watch it incubate. Therefore, I'd like to explicitly propose that
we neither predetermine nor rule out any possible destination for this.
It could become a TLP. It could merge with Rome and/or other feed
libraries, if they get proposed to the ASF. It could all get subsumed
into Roller. My initial concerns are, respectively, critical mass,
potentially divergent goals, and Umbrella -- each, of course, could be
addressed/mitigated, that's why I am recommendating that we defer this
decision until we have had a chance to observe the community. (Note:
this is not a new idea, I've suggested it on number of occasions before).
With all that said, here's my
+1
- Sam Ruby
- - -
>From http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/AbderaProposal :
## page was renamed from AriProposal
= Abdera, an Atom Implementation Proposal =
== 0. Rationale ==
The fundamental goal of the project is to provide a high-quality and
functionally-complete implementation of the Atom Syndication Format
(RFC4287) and the Atom Publishing Protocol specifications published by
the IETF Atompub working group.
(the ancient city of Abdera, Thrace was the birthplace of the Greek
Philosopher Democritus, one of the
[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democritus co-originators of "atomism"])
== 0.1 Criteria ==
=== Meritocracy: ===
Apache was chosen for an incubator for the guidance the community can
provide.
=== Community: ===
The contributed work was inspired by open source development and by the
need to have functionally complete implementations of the Atom
specifications available for developers to use. To be successful, the
project needs to build a strong and diverse community to validate its
mission and carry it forward. Further, the project needs to be guided by
the same general principles of open and transparent development that has
helped to shape the standards upon which the project is based.
=== Core Developers: ===
The initial committers for the project are employees of the donating
company. Two of the developers have worked on open source projects
before and have experience with and a deep understanding of open source
principles.
=== Alignment: ===
The initial code has been implemented in Java and is based primarily on
the same Apache Axiom / StAX XML parsing API that underpins the Apache
Axis2 project. As such, the implementations draws heavily on the work
of other existing Apache projects and will continue to do so.
== 0.2 Warning signs ==
=== Orphaned products: ===
The initial committers are users of this toolkit and have a long-term
interest in use and maintenance of the code.
=== Inexperience with open source: ===
Several of the commiters are very experienced in Open Source
environment. All efforts have and will be made to ensure that the work
done and momentum will be in strict adherence to open source guidelines.
=== Homogenous developers: ===
As noted above, the initial list of developers consists of paid
employees of the donating company. However, efforts will be made to
actively expand the team of developers committing to the project.
The current list of committers bring with them a broad range of
experiences with open source, standards, emerging technologies, and
product development.
=== Reliance on salaried developers: ===
The initial set of committers are salaried developers. Through the
incubation process, more diversity will hopefully be achieved in many
aspects, including reliance on salaried developers.
=== No ties to other Apache products: ===
The initial codebase relies heavily on existing Apache technologies and
will continue to do so.
=== A fascination with the Apache brand: ===
The committers are intent on developing a strong open source community.
We believe that the Apache Software Foundation's emphasis on community
development makes it the most suitable choice.
== 1. Scope of the subprojects ==
The initial scope of the project will be the development of a
functionally-complete Java-language implementation of the Atom
Syndication Format and Atom Publishing Protocol specifications, along
with a selection of extensions and utility functions. It is expected,
however, that C/C++ and possibly other language implementations will be
explored in the future.
The Atom Syndication Format implementation will include a
high-performance parser and serializer for Atom documents, a set of
API's for working with the Atom data model, support for a variety of
extensions to the Atom format, and support for various advanced features
such as XPath, XML Digital Signatures, Feed paging, etc.
The Atom Publishing Protocol implementation will include both client and
server implementations designed with the dual purpose of demonstrating
the proper function of the protocol and providing the tools necessary to
build and deploy Atom Publishing-based applications.
== 2. Initial source ==
The initial source for the project was originally written to address the
needs of the donating company's own internal Atom development
activities. A snapshot of the initial source is available at
http://www.snellspace.com/public/abdera.tar.gz.
== 2.1 External Dependencies of the project ==
The current implemenation depends on the following components:
* Apache Axiom 1.0
* StAX XML API's
* The Woodstox XML Parser
* Java Activation Framework (JAF) and JavaMail API
* Jaxen (optional for XPath support)
* Junit (for unit testing)
* Apache Ant (for the build)
== 3. Identify the ASF resources to be created ==
== 3.1 mailing list(s) ==
* abdera-ppmc (moderated subscriptions)
* abdera-dev
* abdera-commits
* abdera-user
== 3.2 Subversion repository ==
* https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/abdera
== 3.3 Bugzilla ==
* Abdera
== 4. Identify the initial set of committers: ==
* James M Snell (IBM)
* Sam Ruby (IBM)
* Robert Yates (IBM)
== 5. Identify Apache sponsoring individual ==
We request that the Apache Incubator PMC sponsor the Abdera Atom
implementation as an incubating project.
Champion: Sam Ruby
Mentors:
* Garrett Rooney
* Paul Querna
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Abdera (was: Re: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal])
Posted by James M Snell <ja...@gmail.com>.
Ok, given all the +1's in favor of the name Abdera, I've updated the
proposal to use the new name. The wiki has been updated accordingly:
http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/AbderaProposal
- James
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Re: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal]
Posted by Davanum Srinivas <da...@gmail.com>.
"Anu" (Sanskrit word for Atom - [1])
[1] http://www.google.com/search?q=atom+anu+sanskrit
On 5/23/06, James M Snell <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks for all the name suggestions given thus far. Keep 'em coming.
>
> The two names I have in mind (in order of preference) are:
>
> 1. Wave
> 2. Atomos
>
> - James
>
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Re: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal]
Posted by James M Snell <ja...@gmail.com>.
Thanks for all the name suggestions given thus far. Keep 'em coming.
The two names I have in mind (in order of preference) are:
1. Wave
2. Atomos
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Re: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal]
Posted by James M Snell <ja...@gmail.com>.
+1. it would be VERY helpful to have an Axiom expert advising on the
project, even if it's not in a formal mentor role.
- James
robert burrell donkin wrote:
> On 5/23/06, Eran Chinthaka <ch...@opensource.lk> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>
>
> hi eran
>
> I'm Eran Chinthaka, one of the contributors from Axiom and Axis2
>> projects. I also would like to mentor this project as I have worked a
>> lot with Axiom and involved in integrating Atom and RSS feed generation
>> in to Axis2.
>
>
> i was hoping that some axis folks would jump in :)
>
> But I read the FAQ [1] and it states you have to be a member of ASF to
>> become a mentor. So I wonder whether I can help as a mentor as I'm just
>> a PMC member.
>
>
> AIUI not as a mentor. it's a particular role involving oversight and the
> current concensus amongst the membership is that this is something that
> should be restricted to members only.
>
> but that doesn't mean that it wouldn't be good to have you involved. you
> don't need to be a formal mentor to offer guidance on list. if you're going
> to be able to find some time to help out with the coding then maybe it'd be
> a good idea if your name were added to the proposal as a developer.
>
> - robert
>
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Re: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal]
Posted by Sanjiva Weerawarana <sa...@opensource.lk>.
On Tue, 2006-05-23 at 09:10 -0400, Yoav Shapira wrote:
>
> And the kicker: Apache Schmelzverfahren (german word for fusion) !!
+1!
Sanjiva.
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Re: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal]
Posted by Martin Cooper <ma...@apache.org>.
On 5/23/06, Yoav Shapira <yo...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Hola,
> I'll jump in with a couple of suggestions, although my record on this
> is dismal (I don't think any of my name suggestions have ever been
> accepted in the incubator ;)):
>
> From the nuclear domain:
> - Apache Reactor (borrowing on the nuclear connotation of Atom)
> - Apache Furnace (similar idea)
> - Apache Fission (also physics-driven, though implies splitting, i.e.
> not a unified community, so maybe not)
> - Apache Fusion (might be great as it implies bringing stuff together)
>
> A couple of international twists:
> - Apache Atomico (italian for atomic)
> - Apache Atomique (frensh for atomic)
>
> And the kicker: Apache Schmelzverfahren (german word for fusion) !!
Yoav, I just can't understand why people haven't jumped on your suggestions
before! ;-)
There's also Atomate, a play on automate.
--
Martin Cooper
Yoav
>
>
> On 5/23/06, Eran Chinthaka <ch...@opensource.lk> wrote:
> > Please see my comments in-line.
> >
> > robert burrell donkin wrote:
> > > On 5/23/06, Eran Chinthaka <ch...@opensource.lk> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Hi,
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > AIUI not as a mentor. it's a particular role involving oversight and
> the
> > > current concensus amongst the membership is that this is something
> that
> > > should be restricted to members only.
> >
> > Ok...
> >
> > >
> > > but that doesn't mean that it wouldn't be good to have you involved.
> you
> > > don't need to be a formal mentor to offer guidance on list. if you're
> going
> > > to be able to find some time to help out with the coding then maybe
> it'd be
> > > a good idea if your name were added to the proposal as a developer.
> >
> > I leave the discretion, of me adding as a developer, with the original
> > proposers. But I'm ready to help anytime specially with Axiom. Perhaps I
> > might even be able to crunch some code.
> >
> > Will give more feedback after downloading the original code.
> >
> > -- Chinthaka
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
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> 1 Mifflin Place, Suite 310
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Re: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal]
Posted by Yoav Shapira <yo...@apache.org>.
Hola,
I'll jump in with a couple of suggestions, although my record on this
is dismal (I don't think any of my name suggestions have ever been
accepted in the incubator ;)):
>From the nuclear domain:
- Apache Reactor (borrowing on the nuclear connotation of Atom)
- Apache Furnace (similar idea)
- Apache Fission (also physics-driven, though implies splitting, i.e.
not a unified community, so maybe not)
- Apache Fusion (might be great as it implies bringing stuff together)
A couple of international twists:
- Apache Atomico (italian for atomic)
- Apache Atomique (frensh for atomic)
And the kicker: Apache Schmelzverfahren (german word for fusion) !!
Yoav
On 5/23/06, Eran Chinthaka <ch...@opensource.lk> wrote:
> Please see my comments in-line.
>
> robert burrell donkin wrote:
> > On 5/23/06, Eran Chinthaka <ch...@opensource.lk> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi,
>
> Hi,
>
> >
> >
> > AIUI not as a mentor. it's a particular role involving oversight and the
> > current concensus amongst the membership is that this is something that
> > should be restricted to members only.
>
> Ok...
>
> >
> > but that doesn't mean that it wouldn't be good to have you involved. you
> > don't need to be a formal mentor to offer guidance on list. if you're going
> > to be able to find some time to help out with the coding then maybe it'd be
> > a good idea if your name were added to the proposal as a developer.
>
> I leave the discretion, of me adding as a developer, with the original
> proposers. But I'm ready to help anytime specially with Axiom. Perhaps I
> might even be able to crunch some code.
>
> Will give more feedback after downloading the original code.
>
> -- Chinthaka
>
>
>
>
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Re: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal]
Posted by Eran Chinthaka <ch...@opensource.lk>.
Please see my comments in-line.
robert burrell donkin wrote:
> On 5/23/06, Eran Chinthaka <ch...@opensource.lk> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
Hi,
>
>
> AIUI not as a mentor. it's a particular role involving oversight and the
> current concensus amongst the membership is that this is something that
> should be restricted to members only.
Ok...
>
> but that doesn't mean that it wouldn't be good to have you involved. you
> don't need to be a formal mentor to offer guidance on list. if you're going
> to be able to find some time to help out with the coding then maybe it'd be
> a good idea if your name were added to the proposal as a developer.
I leave the discretion, of me adding as a developer, with the original
proposers. But I'm ready to help anytime specially with Axiom. Perhaps I
might even be able to crunch some code.
Will give more feedback after downloading the original code.
-- Chinthaka
Re: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal]
Posted by robert burrell donkin <ro...@gmail.com>.
On 5/23/06, Eran Chinthaka <ch...@opensource.lk> wrote:
>
> Hi,
hi eran
I'm Eran Chinthaka, one of the contributors from Axiom and Axis2
> projects. I also would like to mentor this project as I have worked a
> lot with Axiom and involved in integrating Atom and RSS feed generation
> in to Axis2.
i was hoping that some axis folks would jump in :)
But I read the FAQ [1] and it states you have to be a member of ASF to
> become a mentor. So I wonder whether I can help as a mentor as I'm just
> a PMC member.
AIUI not as a mentor. it's a particular role involving oversight and the
current concensus amongst the membership is that this is something that
should be restricted to members only.
but that doesn't mean that it wouldn't be good to have you involved. you
don't need to be a formal mentor to offer guidance on list. if you're going
to be able to find some time to help out with the coding then maybe it'd be
a good idea if your name were added to the proposal as a developer.
- robert
Re: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal]
Posted by Eran Chinthaka <ch...@opensource.lk>.
Hi,
I'm Eran Chinthaka, one of the contributors from Axiom and Axis2
projects. I also would like to mentor this project as I have worked a
lot with Axiom and involved in integrating Atom and RSS feed generation
in to Axis2.
But I read the FAQ [1] and it states you have to be a member of ASF to
become a mentor. So I wonder whether I can help as a mentor as I'm just
a PMC member.
-- Chinthaka
[1] :
http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Roles_and_Responsibilities.html#Mentors
Garrett Rooney wrote:
> On 5/22/06, James M Snell <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> The following is a new project incubation proposal. We welcome your
>> feedback and would like to extend a invitation for participation
>> including mentors.
>>
>> The proposal is also located at
>> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/AriProposal
>>
>> The initial source for the project is available at:
>> http://www.snellspace.com/public/ari.tar.gz
>
> I would be interested in helping to mentor this project, and perhaps
> eventually working on C implementations of some of its functionality.
>
> One comment though, you might want to reroll ari.tar.gz so it unpacks
> into a directory named ari, as opposed to spilling all sorts of stuff
> into the current working directory.
>
> -garrett
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Re: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal]
Posted by James M Snell <ja...@gmail.com>.
Garrett Rooney wrote:
> On 5/22/06, James M Snell <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> The following is a new project incubation proposal. We welcome your
>> feedback and would like to extend a invitation for participation
>> including mentors.
>>
>> The proposal is also located at
>> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/AriProposal
>>
>> The initial source for the project is available at:
>> http://www.snellspace.com/public/ari.tar.gz
>
> I would be interested in helping to mentor this project, and perhaps
> eventually working on C implementations of some of its functionality.
>
Excellent.
> One comment though, you might want to reroll ari.tar.gz so it unpacks
> into a directory named ari, as opposed to spilling all sorts of stuff
> into the current working directory.
>
Doh! sorry about that. Fixed.
- James
> -garrett
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Re: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal]
Posted by Garrett Rooney <ro...@electricjellyfish.net>.
On 5/22/06, James M Snell <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> The following is a new project incubation proposal. We welcome your
> feedback and would like to extend a invitation for participation
> including mentors.
>
> The proposal is also located at
> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/AriProposal
>
> The initial source for the project is available at:
> http://www.snellspace.com/public/ari.tar.gz
I would be interested in helping to mentor this project, and perhaps
eventually working on C implementations of some of its functionality.
One comment though, you might want to reroll ari.tar.gz so it unpacks
into a directory named ari, as opposed to spilling all sorts of stuff
into the current working directory.
-garrett
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Re: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal]
Posted by "Gav..." <br...@brightontown.com.au>.
<quote who="Dave Johnson">
> What a great idea! The code looks very nice and I'd love to help.
>
> - Dave
Yes , I agree and hope to join in and dev at some point.
>
>
>
> James M Snell wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> The following is a new project incubation proposal. We welcome your
>> feedback and would like to extend a invitation for participation
>> including mentors.
>>
>> The proposal is also located at
>> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/AriProposal
I see this is now changed,
http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/AbderaProposal
A couple of other things on thwe Wiki I guess will need changing -
3. Identify the ASF resources to be created
3.1 mailing list(s)
atom-ppmc (moderated subscriptions)
atom-dev
atom-commits
atom-user
3.2 Subversion repository
https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/atom
3.3 Bugzilla
Atom
With all the talk of being too 'Atom' specific in naming, using it in
mailing lists and SVN will be a bit confusing.
>>
>> The initial source for the project is available at:
>> http://www.snellspace.com/public/ari.tar.gz
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> - James M Snell
>> jasnell@gmail.com
>> jasnell@us.ibm.com
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Re: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal]
Posted by Dave Johnson <da...@nc.rr.com>.
What a great idea! The code looks very nice and I'd love to help.
- Dave
James M Snell wrote:
> Hello,
>
> The following is a new project incubation proposal. We welcome your
> feedback and would like to extend a invitation for participation
> including mentors.
>
> The proposal is also located at
> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/AriProposal
>
> The initial source for the project is available at:
> http://www.snellspace.com/public/ari.tar.gz
>
> Thank you,
>
> - James M Snell
> jasnell@gmail.com
> jasnell@us.ibm.com
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Re: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal]
Posted by robert burrell donkin <ro...@gmail.com>.
On 5/22/06, James M Snell <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
= ARI, an Atom Reference Implementation Proposal =
ahhh - acronyms :-)
seems 'tis the fate of ASF acronyms to become first names:
JAMES -> james
ARI -> 'ari ...?
<blighty-only>it's good to see the young lightweight 'arry Acronym joining
his brother James in the Apache stable ;)</blighty-only>
- robert
Re: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal]
Posted by Garrett Rooney <ro...@electricjellyfish.net>.
On 5/22/06, James M Snell <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Not good: http://www.jtauber.com/demokritos
>
> FTR, the names we've kicked around include "Covalence" (too close to
> Covalent), "Valencia" (Spanish for "Valence"), atomos (Latin root for
> "Atom"), and chimie (French for chemistry). Our lawyers didn't like
> "Covalence" or "Valencia" so those were shot down during the donation
> approval process. I'd be happy with just about any name so long as it
> means we can move forward :-)
Molecule, or some variant thereof? They're made out of atoms, after all ;-)
-garrett
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RE: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal]
Posted by "Noel J. Bergman" <no...@devtech.com>.
Don't forget that although this may be about Atoms, there is Wave-Particle
duality, so these things are also waves, which makes for interesting
imagery, since they propogate as a wave front across the web.
--- Noel
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Re: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal]
Posted by Ian Holsman <li...@holsman.net>.
what about OPPENHEIMER ?...
On 23/05/2006, at 10:16 PM, robert burrell donkin wrote:
> On 5/23/06, David N. Welton <da...@dedasys.com> wrote:
>>
>> James M Snell wrote:
>> > Not good: http://www.jtauber.com/demokritos
>>
>> > Garrett Rooney wrote:
>>
>> >>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democritus
>> >>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomism
>>
>> There are a bunch of names here, and on the related pages (neutron,
>> fermion, etc...):
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proton
>
>
> some cool options there but many seem already taken
>
> leading on to scientists closely associated with atoms:
>
> Dalton
> Rutherford
>
> (quick google seems to indicate that these are less widely used as
> names for
> software that many physics terms)
>
> - robert
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Re: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal]
Posted by "Roy T. Fielding" <fi...@gbiv.com>.
On May 23, 2006, at 5:16 AM, robert burrell donkin wrote:
> On 5/23/06, David N. Welton <da...@dedasys.com> wrote:
>>
>> James M Snell wrote:
>> > Not good: http://www.jtauber.com/demokritos
>>
>> > Garrett Rooney wrote:
>>
>> >>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democritus
>> >>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomism
>>
>> There are a bunch of names here, and on the related pages (neutron,
>> fermion, etc...):
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proton
>
>
> some cool options there but many seem already taken
>
> leading on to scientists closely associated with atoms:
>
> Dalton
> Rutherford
>
> (quick google seems to indicate that these are less widely used as
> names for
> software that many physics terms)
FYI, in California, the names/images of real people who lived within
the past 75 years or so are protected by laws that are more like
copyright than trademarks, and reserved for the exclusive benefit of
the person's estate. It was originally intended to protect the image
of famous people used in advertising. Similar laws (with varying
length of coverage) are found elsewhere.
As such, the days when you could name a product after a famous person
are long gone unless you can get that person to sign a document that
gives us irrevocable permission.
....Roy
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Re: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal]
Posted by robert burrell donkin <ro...@gmail.com>.
On 5/23/06, David N. Welton <da...@dedasys.com> wrote:
>
> James M Snell wrote:
> > Not good: http://www.jtauber.com/demokritos
>
> > Garrett Rooney wrote:
>
> >>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democritus
> >>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomism
>
> There are a bunch of names here, and on the related pages (neutron,
> fermion, etc...):
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proton
some cool options there but many seem already taken
leading on to scientists closely associated with atoms:
Dalton
Rutherford
(quick google seems to indicate that these are less widely used as names for
software that many physics terms)
- robert
Re: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal]
Posted by "David N. Welton" <da...@dedasys.com>.
James M Snell wrote:
> Not good: http://www.jtauber.com/demokritos
> Garrett Rooney wrote:
>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democritus
>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomism
There are a bunch of names here, and on the related pages (neutron,
fermion, etc...):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proton
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David N. Welton
- http://www.dedasys.com/davidw/
Linux, Open Source Consulting
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Re: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal]
Posted by James M Snell <ja...@gmail.com>.
Not good: http://www.jtauber.com/demokritos
FTR, the names we've kicked around include "Covalence" (too close to
Covalent), "Valencia" (Spanish for "Valence"), atomos (Latin root for
"Atom"), and chimie (French for chemistry). Our lawyers didn't like
"Covalence" or "Valencia" so those were shot down during the donation
approval process. I'd be happy with just about any name so long as it
means we can move forward :-)
- James
Garrett Rooney wrote:
> On 5/22/06, James M Snell <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> That's fine. We've gone through a number of names internally and pretty
>> much gave up on trying to come up with something good. Alternative name
>> suggestions would be greatly appreciated. :-)
>
> How about "Democritus"?
>
> For those who haven't been crawling around wikipedia looking for names
> related to atom, Democritus was the Greek philosopher who came up with
> atomism, the theory that all objects in the universe are composed of
> small, indestructible elements, atoms.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democritus
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomism
>
> -garrett
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Re: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal]
Posted by Garrett Rooney <ro...@electricjellyfish.net>.
On 5/22/06, James M Snell <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> That's fine. We've gone through a number of names internally and pretty
> much gave up on trying to come up with something good. Alternative name
> suggestions would be greatly appreciated. :-)
How about "Democritus"?
For those who haven't been crawling around wikipedia looking for names
related to atom, Democritus was the Greek philosopher who came up with
atomism, the theory that all objects in the universe are composed of
small, indestructible elements, atoms.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democritus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomism
-garrett
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Re: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal]
Posted by James M Snell <ja...@gmail.com>.
That's fine. We've gone through a number of names internally and pretty
much gave up on trying to come up with something good. Alternative name
suggestions would be greatly appreciated. :-)
- James
Roy T. Fielding wrote:
> On May 22, 2006, at 12:23 PM, James M Snell wrote:
>
>> The following is a new project incubation proposal. We welcome your
>> feedback and would like to extend a invitation for participation
>> including mentors.
>>
>> The proposal is also located at
>> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/AriProposal
>>
>> The initial source for the project is available at:
>> http://www.snellspace.com/public/ari.tar.gz
>
> -1 under that name. Atom is owned by the IETF. The IETF does not have
> reference implementations -- any one implementation is as referenced
> as any other. It would be socially rude (and factually incorrect) to
> use such a name here.
>
> ....Roy
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Re: ARI, Atom Reference Implementation [Proposal]
Posted by "Roy T. Fielding" <fi...@gbiv.com>.
On May 22, 2006, at 12:23 PM, James M Snell wrote:
> The following is a new project incubation proposal. We welcome your
> feedback and would like to extend a invitation for participation
> including mentors.
>
> The proposal is also located at
> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/AriProposal
>
> The initial source for the project is available at:
> http://www.snellspace.com/public/ari.tar.gz
-1 under that name. Atom is owned by the IETF. The IETF does not have
reference implementations -- any one implementation is as referenced
as any other. It would be socially rude (and factually incorrect) to
use such a name here.
....Roy
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