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Posted to user@struts.apache.org by Jing Zhou <ji...@netspread.com> on 2003/05/29 00:00:16 UTC
[ANNOUNCE] Carrier on Wheels and Struts Unveiled
Hi, all,
Carrier 2 arrives finally with the capability of composing and exchanging
LIVE web form based messages on Internet without a SINGLE line of
Java codes! Its simplicity is unmatched.
It is FREE for every developers with the developer license.
It is FREE* for every members in the Carrier Group for redistribution.
Check it out at www.netspread.com. The distribution comes with
the source codes for the Carrier Wheels at the server side! It also
comes with 72 action mappings in the demos. Over 150 screen shots
are available in our documentation set. It is a significant built up
on Struts!
Regards,
Jing
Creator of Carrier
* a basic volume license.
RE: [ANNOUNCE] Carrier on Wheels and Struts Unveiled
Posted by Daniel Joshua <da...@gridnode.com>.
Jing,
Thanks for your 'attempt' at explaining...
But I got lost after: hyper form bean.. hyper action wizard.. spawned
wizard.. *meta-data*.. visual model.. level 2 carrier obits.. wheels..
Anyway, I think I got a slightly better picture now.
Thanks again.
Regards,
Daniel
-----Original Message-----
From: Jing Zhou [mailto:jing@netspread.com]
Sent: Thursday, 29 May, 2003 3:22 PM
To: Struts Users Mailing List; daniel.joshua@gridnode.com
Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] Carrier on Wheels and Struts Unveiled
There are several features I think they are going to be
the potential source to advance Struts:
* The Hyper Form Bean - The string version of a form bean
become unnecessary. A hyper form bean allows you to
model simple data, like a test form, a survey form, or a
bug reporting form, etc. It is called the level one model.
* The Hyper Action Wizard - A primary wizard can spawn
many child wizards, called spawned wizards. The CRUD
operations can be performed on the spawned wizards.
Further more, each spawned wizard can spawn many
child wizards and perform CRUD operations on their
children. There is no limit for the nested level. The Ant
Project Configuration demo shows this capability.
* The MVC visual model - all Carrier or Struts related
attributes become *meta-data* in Oracle database.
These concepts are described as the level one MVC.
The designers just *program* these meta-data for
their web applications. I observed some Struts
developers *dreamed* such visual model, but no one
get it yet, at least in the formal products.
* The research on the level two MVC will begin soon.
For example, the spawned wizards could be in a
different application module from their parent wizards
in the current design. I am seeking ISVs to help me
model how we make a spawned wizards in different
web sites. So an end user starts one wizard with
many spawned wizards in different web sites. Once
he/she completes the wizard, the business data is sent to
a single-contact agent (This will also lead to the
concepts of level two Carrier Orbits ...)
Regards,
Jing
----- Original Message -----
From: "Daniel Joshua" <da...@gridnode.com>
To: "'Struts Users Mailing List'" <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 9:03 PM
Subject: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Carrier on Wheels and Struts Unveiled
> Jing,
>
> Could you explain abit more on what Carrier is... also Wheels...
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> Regards,
> Daniel
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jing Zhou [mailto:jing@netspread.com]
> Sent: Thursday, 29 May, 2003 6:00 AM
> To: Struts Users Mailing List
> Subject: [ANNOUNCE] Carrier on Wheels and Struts Unveiled
>
>
> Hi, all,
>
> Carrier 2 arrives finally with the capability of composing and exchanging
> LIVE web form based messages on Internet without a SINGLE line of
> Java codes! Its simplicity is unmatched.
>
> It is FREE for every developers with the developer license.
> It is FREE* for every members in the Carrier Group for redistribution.
>
> Check it out at www.netspread.com. The distribution comes with
> the source codes for the Carrier Wheels at the server side! It also
> comes with 72 action mappings in the demos. Over 150 screen shots
> are available in our documentation set. It is a significant built up
> on Struts!
>
> Regards,
>
> Jing
>
> Creator of Carrier
>
> * a basic volume license.
>
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Re: [ANNOUNCE] Carrier on Wheels and Struts Unveiled
Posted by Jing Zhou <ji...@netspread.com>.
There are several features I think they are going to be
the potential source to advance Struts:
* The Hyper Form Bean - The string version of a form bean
become unnecessary. A hyper form bean allows you to
model simple data, like a test form, a survey form, or a
bug reporting form, etc. It is called the level one model.
* The Hyper Action Wizard - A primary wizard can spawn
many child wizards, called spawned wizards. The CRUD
operations can be performed on the spawned wizards.
Further more, each spawned wizard can spawn many
child wizards and perform CRUD operations on their
children. There is no limit for the nested level. The Ant
Project Configuration demo shows this capability.
* The MVC visual model - all Carrier or Struts related
attributes become *meta-data* in Oracle database.
These concepts are described as the level one MVC.
The designers just *program* these meta-data for
their web applications. I observed some Struts
developers *dreamed* such visual model, but no one
get it yet, at least in the formal products.
* The research on the level two MVC will begin soon.
For example, the spawned wizards could be in a
different application module from their parent wizards
in the current design. I am seeking ISVs to help me
model how we make a spawned wizards in different
web sites. So an end user starts one wizard with
many spawned wizards in different web sites. Once
he/she completes the wizard, the business data is sent to
a single-contact agent (This will also lead to the
concepts of level two Carrier Orbits ...)
Regards,
Jing
----- Original Message -----
From: "Daniel Joshua" <da...@gridnode.com>
To: "'Struts Users Mailing List'" <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 9:03 PM
Subject: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Carrier on Wheels and Struts Unveiled
> Jing,
>
> Could you explain abit more on what Carrier is... also Wheels...
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> Regards,
> Daniel
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jing Zhou [mailto:jing@netspread.com]
> Sent: Thursday, 29 May, 2003 6:00 AM
> To: Struts Users Mailing List
> Subject: [ANNOUNCE] Carrier on Wheels and Struts Unveiled
>
>
> Hi, all,
>
> Carrier 2 arrives finally with the capability of composing and exchanging
> LIVE web form based messages on Internet without a SINGLE line of
> Java codes! Its simplicity is unmatched.
>
> It is FREE for every developers with the developer license.
> It is FREE* for every members in the Carrier Group for redistribution.
>
> Check it out at www.netspread.com. The distribution comes with
> the source codes for the Carrier Wheels at the server side! It also
> comes with 72 action mappings in the demos. Over 150 screen shots
> are available in our documentation set. It is a significant built up
> on Struts!
>
> Regards,
>
> Jing
>
> Creator of Carrier
>
> * a basic volume license.
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> To unsubscribe, e-mail: struts-user-unsubscribe@jakarta.apache.org
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>
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RE: [ANNOUNCE] Carrier on Wheels and Struts Unveiled
Posted by Daniel Joshua <da...@gridnode.com>.
I read that... sound nice, but can you interpret it purpose/use into simple
english...
Regards,
Daniel
-----Original Message-----
From: Brandon Goodin [mailto:mail@phase.ws]
Sent: Thursday, 29 May, 2003 12:56 PM
To: Struts Users Mailing List; steve@ninsky.com
Subject: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Carrier on Wheels and Struts Unveiled
To be fair... this is what the docs say:
The Netspread Carrier ("Carrier") is a productivity tool for massive
knowledge workers and business analysts to collaborate across teams,
organizations, and business entities to build behavior oriented web
services. Carrier consists of four major functional modules, the Carrier
Guides, Carrier Items, Carrier Records, and Carrier Wheels. The Carrier
Wheels module is built on top of the popular Apache Struts framework. As the
heart of Carrier, the Wheels together with the other three modules provide a
full cycle code-free visual environment for designers to build web forms and
for users to exchange form based records and for managers to manage workflow
of exchanged records between participating parties in community
environments. The interactive behaviors between the participating parties
and services are described and regulated by a set of behavior protocols
according to the paradigm of Integrated Behavior Patterns ("IBP"), which is
the soul of Carrier. With the heart and sole, the reach of Carrier is far
beyond a personal productivity tool, it is an organizational tool for the
masses with aims to scale up both software and business engineering
processes in magnitudes.
It sounds interesting. ;-S But, I think they should provide some specific
use cases for examples.... don't you think?
Brandon Goodin
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Raeburn [mailto:steve@ninsky.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 9:40 PM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Carrier on Wheels and Struts Unveiled
Carrier on Wheels is a product that is announced every couple of days on the
Struts list.
Its main features include:
- A poorly articulated purpose
- A website that has been cleverly 'borrowed' from eclipse.org
- An over-reliance on marketing buzzwords
- A badly translated, but highly amusing web site
- Something to do with turning web applications into email applications that
don't need programmers (I'm paraphrasing here)
On second thoughts, maybe it's not badly translated - maybe that's how
marketeers actually talk.
Give me a Barracuda announcement or two any day!
Steve
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Daniel Joshua [mailto:daniel.joshua@gridnode.com]
> Sent: May 28, 2003 8:03 PM
> To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
> Subject: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Carrier on Wheels and Struts Unveiled
>
>
> Jing,
>
> Could you explain abit more on what Carrier is... also Wheels...
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> Regards,
> Daniel
>
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RE: [ANNOUNCE] Carrier on Wheels and Struts Unveiled
Posted by Andrew Hill <an...@gridnode.com>.
I think they do in their demos, but you have to download and install the
thing first.
Ive not had time to do so, which is a pity cos despite all the
marketingspeak it does look interesting.
-----Original Message-----
From: Brandon Goodin [mailto:mail@phase.ws]
Sent: Thursday, 29 May 2003 12:56
To: Struts Users Mailing List; steve@ninsky.com
Subject: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Carrier on Wheels and Struts Unveiled
To be fair... this is what the docs say:
The Netspread Carrier ("Carrier") is a productivity tool for massive
knowledge workers and business analysts to collaborate across teams,
organizations, and business entities to build behavior oriented web
services. Carrier consists of four major functional modules, the Carrier
Guides, Carrier Items, Carrier Records, and Carrier Wheels. The Carrier
Wheels module is built on top of the popular Apache Struts framework. As the
heart of Carrier, the Wheels together with the other three modules provide a
full cycle code-free visual environment for designers to build web forms and
for users to exchange form based records and for managers to manage workflow
of exchanged records between participating parties in community
environments. The interactive behaviors between the participating parties
and services are described and regulated by a set of behavior protocols
according to the paradigm of Integrated Behavior Patterns ("IBP"), which is
the soul of Carrier. With the heart and sole, the reach of Carrier is far
beyond a personal productivity tool, it is an organizational tool for the
masses with aims to scale up both software and business engineering
processes in magnitudes.
It sounds interesting. ;-S But, I think they should provide some specific
use cases for examples.... don't you think?
Brandon Goodin
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Raeburn [mailto:steve@ninsky.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 9:40 PM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Carrier on Wheels and Struts Unveiled
Carrier on Wheels is a product that is announced every couple of days on the
Struts list.
Its main features include:
- A poorly articulated purpose
- A website that has been cleverly 'borrowed' from eclipse.org
- An over-reliance on marketing buzzwords
- A badly translated, but highly amusing web site
- Something to do with turning web applications into email applications that
don't need programmers (I'm paraphrasing here)
On second thoughts, maybe it's not badly translated - maybe that's how
marketeers actually talk.
Give me a Barracuda announcement or two any day!
Steve
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Daniel Joshua [mailto:daniel.joshua@gridnode.com]
> Sent: May 28, 2003 8:03 PM
> To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
> Subject: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Carrier on Wheels and Struts Unveiled
>
>
> Jing,
>
> Could you explain abit more on what Carrier is... also Wheels...
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> Regards,
> Daniel
>
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RE: [ANNOUNCE] Carrier on Wheels and Struts Unveiled
Posted by Brandon Goodin <ma...@phase.ws>.
To be fair... this is what the docs say:
The Netspread Carrier ("Carrier") is a productivity tool for massive
knowledge workers and business analysts to collaborate across teams,
organizations, and business entities to build behavior oriented web
services. Carrier consists of four major functional modules, the Carrier
Guides, Carrier Items, Carrier Records, and Carrier Wheels. The Carrier
Wheels module is built on top of the popular Apache Struts framework. As the
heart of Carrier, the Wheels together with the other three modules provide a
full cycle code-free visual environment for designers to build web forms and
for users to exchange form based records and for managers to manage workflow
of exchanged records between participating parties in community
environments. The interactive behaviors between the participating parties
and services are described and regulated by a set of behavior protocols
according to the paradigm of Integrated Behavior Patterns ("IBP"), which is
the soul of Carrier. With the heart and sole, the reach of Carrier is far
beyond a personal productivity tool, it is an organizational tool for the
masses with aims to scale up both software and business engineering
processes in magnitudes.
It sounds interesting. ;-S But, I think they should provide some specific
use cases for examples.... don't you think?
Brandon Goodin
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Raeburn [mailto:steve@ninsky.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 9:40 PM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Carrier on Wheels and Struts Unveiled
Carrier on Wheels is a product that is announced every couple of days on the
Struts list.
Its main features include:
- A poorly articulated purpose
- A website that has been cleverly 'borrowed' from eclipse.org
- An over-reliance on marketing buzzwords
- A badly translated, but highly amusing web site
- Something to do with turning web applications into email applications that
don't need programmers (I'm paraphrasing here)
On second thoughts, maybe it's not badly translated - maybe that's how
marketeers actually talk.
Give me a Barracuda announcement or two any day!
Steve
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Daniel Joshua [mailto:daniel.joshua@gridnode.com]
> Sent: May 28, 2003 8:03 PM
> To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
> Subject: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Carrier on Wheels and Struts Unveiled
>
>
> Jing,
>
> Could you explain abit more on what Carrier is... also Wheels...
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> Regards,
> Daniel
>
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RE: [ANNOUNCE] Carrier on Wheels and Struts Unveiled
Posted by Steve Raeburn <st...@ninsky.com>.
Carrier on Wheels is a product that is announced every couple of days on the
Struts list.
Its main features include:
- A poorly articulated purpose
- A website that has been cleverly 'borrowed' from eclipse.org
- An over-reliance on marketing buzzwords
- A badly translated, but highly amusing web site
- Something to do with turning web applications into email applications that
don't need programmers (I'm paraphrasing here)
On second thoughts, maybe it's not badly translated - maybe that's how
marketeers actually talk.
Give me a Barracuda announcement or two any day!
Steve
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Daniel Joshua [mailto:daniel.joshua@gridnode.com]
> Sent: May 28, 2003 8:03 PM
> To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
> Subject: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Carrier on Wheels and Struts Unveiled
>
>
> Jing,
>
> Could you explain abit more on what Carrier is... also Wheels...
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> Regards,
> Daniel
>
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RE: [ANNOUNCE] Carrier on Wheels and Struts Unveiled
Posted by Daniel Joshua <da...@gridnode.com>.
Jing,
Could you explain abit more on what Carrier is... also Wheels...
Thanks!
Regards,
Daniel
-----Original Message-----
From: Jing Zhou [mailto:jing@netspread.com]
Sent: Thursday, 29 May, 2003 6:00 AM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: [ANNOUNCE] Carrier on Wheels and Struts Unveiled
Hi, all,
Carrier 2 arrives finally with the capability of composing and exchanging
LIVE web form based messages on Internet without a SINGLE line of
Java codes! Its simplicity is unmatched.
It is FREE for every developers with the developer license.
It is FREE* for every members in the Carrier Group for redistribution.
Check it out at www.netspread.com. The distribution comes with
the source codes for the Carrier Wheels at the server side! It also
comes with 72 action mappings in the demos. Over 150 screen shots
are available in our documentation set. It is a significant built up
on Struts!
Regards,
Jing
Creator of Carrier
* a basic volume license.
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