[jira] [Commented] (LEGAL-167) Move CC-BY to Category B

["Lawrence Rosen (JIRA)" <ji...@apache.org>]

    [ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-167?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=13678584#comment-13678584 ] 

Lawrence Rosen commented on LEGAL-167:
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Sam Ruby wrote:
> These restrictions go beyond what is required by the Apache License, Version 2.0, 
> and furthermore has been deemed incompatible with GPL.  
> We also have input that this is problematic for proprietary (non-open source) usages.

None of these statements is demonstrably true!  

Who has "deemed" this? Who has found incompatible restrictions in the CC-BY license where there are none? Who besides a single IBM attorney has identified anything problematic for proprietary usages? That would constitute *a usage* not *usages*, one opinion and not "input" of any wide-ranging conclusory value.

> My proposal remains that CC-BY licenses be moved to Category B as a stop-gap solution.  

Your proposal doesn't solve the actual problem I keep trying to bring to this list, which is to solicit input from the Apache community about whether software specifications (such as W3C's HTML 6) under CC-BY can be the basis for Apache derivative works. Quite frankly I no longer give a damn whether you call it Category A or Category B as long as you analyze the legal questions on this list. Both categories are currently a mess.

/Larry

                
> Move CC-BY to Category B
> ------------------------
>
>                 Key: LEGAL-167
>                 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-167
>             Project: Legal Discuss
>          Issue Type: Question
>            Reporter: Sam Ruby
>            Assignee: Sam Ruby
>
> Summary:
> Careful reading recent versions of the CC-By licenses identify restrictions that are not highlighted on the creativecommons summary page for this license.  These restrictions go beyond what is required by the Apache License, Version 2.0, and furthermore has been deemed incompatible with GPL.  We also have input that this is problematic for proprietary (non-open source) usages.
> In the ensuing discussion, we have had questions concerning the necessity for certain terms in our license, questions concerning the viability of the existing categorization of licenses (A, B, X), questions concerning the validity of legal interpretations of our licensees.
> All these are valid questions, and can be pursued separately.  Meanwhile we need something until at least one of those efforts are resolved.  My proposal remains that CC-BY licenses be moved to Category B as a stop-gap solution.  Such a change would not prevent existing projects from continuing to include such unmodified artifacts in their releases, it merely would require them to conspicuously state that they did so to allow downsteam consumers to make an informed decision.  Nor would it completely prevent modifications of such content, instead it would require separate approval to do so.
> Partial list of relevant prior discussion (feel free to point to more in additional comments):
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-legal-discuss/201305.mbox/%3CCAFG6u8FJmnE21QcS_eP5SnvbLMgp4eKYvT13qEXALJafdoFO_A%40mail.gmail.com%3E
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-legal-discuss/201305.mbox/%3C01f301ce5829%24aed32660%240c797320%24%40rosenlaw.com%3E
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-legal-discuss/201305.mbox/%3CCAFG6u8HB%2Bj2H1J_WMH1D%3DfQf%2BuG5QE0brv7Fi1%2B1XozKEf%3Dn8Q%40mail.gmail.com%3E
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-legal-discuss/201305.mbox/%3COFCAE2B77A.4DC34960-ON85257B75.006149FE-85257B75.0061C5FF%40us.ibm.com%3E
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-legal-discuss/201305.mbox/%3CCAFG6u8FDjKbuzr3Mcns1Xwneydc-fGp6C7ZJ_nY9vvJ4p8LANA%40mail.gmail.com%3E
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-legal-discuss/201305.mbox/%3C063201ce5bdc%2401a730b0%2404f59210%24%40rosenlaw.com%3E
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-legal-discuss/201306.mbox/%3C152301ce6267%24ff57f0f0%24fe07d2d0%24%40rosenlaw.com%3E
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-legal-discuss/201305.mbox/%3CCAFG6u8Gvzy%3DN-ezZY%3DOW5XxEp%2B4W%3D%2B7E%2B9fpZWcsxQU%2BjQjXog%40mail.gmail.com%3E
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-legal-discuss/201305.mbox/%3C06ca01ce5c08%24f8627960%24e9276c20%24%40rosenlaw.com%3E
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-legal-discuss/201305.mbox/%3COF7C4060BB.133DE47E-ON85257B7A.0009A3AC-85257B7A.000C0686%40us.ibm.com%3E

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