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Posted to lokahi-dev@incubator.apache.org by "William A. Rowe, Jr." <wr...@rowe-clan.net> on 2007/05/08 03:04:46 UTC
[Fwd: WARNING - 2 days to deadline for May reports]
Drat - forward of the belated reminder.
RE: [Fwd: WARNING - 2 days to deadline for May reports]
Posted by "DeBardeleben, Ruth L" <ru...@merck.com>.
+1
post away :)
(ok, so Steve, you have access to actually post the report to the
wiki... ? think I got it now..)
-----Original Message-----
From: drtobes [mailto:drtobes@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 8:09 AM
To: lokahi-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [Fwd: WARNING - 2 days to deadline for May reports]
On 5/8/07, DeBardeleben, Ruth L <ru...@merck.com> wrote:
> so Bill, do you have what you need for the board report? Are we done?
You mean Steve, or you for that matter. Bill is here to make sure we
follow the rules and provide guidance with issues, primarily. That
being said I think we're about done, here's the report I have gathered
from this chain:
##################################
Several members of the Lokahi community attended Apachecon EU in an
effort to grow the community. A FastFeather track on what Lokahi does
and what it currently supports (slides are available here:
http://people.apache.org/~toback/presentations/Lokahi-fast-feather-05-04
-2007.pdf
). Specific outreach was made to the Geronimo community to help us
get a sense of what it would take to have Lokahi control the Geronimo
stack. A significant number of committers from other projects have
subscribed to lokahi-dev over ApacheCon after discovering how this
project could solve their own infrastructure headaches or how it could
be enhanced to support their project's configuration and management.
An initial roadmap of features has been planned, and development will
be moving in the direction of the new roadmap. An initial draft of
Lokahi's data model for the proposed switch to a Jackrabbit back-end
was worked out with input from Jackrabbit community.
The conversion to JCR takes first priority because it will mitigate
existing difficulties that hinder community-growing, namely:
(a) Oracle as db requirement, which reduces the potential user "market";
(b) inability to run Lokahi on a standalone machine, due to (a);
(c) complicated build process, partially due to (a);
JCR will provide the following benefits:
(a) database independence (run Lokahi with a file system backend to
try it out, or use a more robust storage platform for production) +
embedded Derby db
(b) lower barrier to contribution, see (a)
(c) versioned objects -- the basis for storing versioned configuration
files & foundation for a future "undo" feature requested by users.
Great for real-world use in regulated environments which require
detailed audit trails of who-changed-what-and-when.
Obstacles to graduation:
* community - now includes authors outside of the original dev
community, but additional committers are sought. Recent distractions
reinforced the fact that a larger committer base is needed to
graduate.
* licensing - oracle-only backend is now 90% of the way to an
alternate MySQL backend, and soon to be enhanced with license agnostic
interfaces
############################
I will post this later today if no one has any objections.
Steve
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Re: [Fwd: WARNING - 2 days to deadline for May reports]
Posted by "William A. Rowe, Jr." <wr...@rowe-clan.net>.
All well put. One note inline, and a vote (and yea - I would have probably
summarized this but my headcold in Amsterdam took a rebound yesterday.)
drtobes wrote:
> On 5/8/07, DeBardeleben, Ruth L <ru...@merck.com> wrote:
>> so Bill, do you have what you need for the board report? Are we done?
>
> You mean Steve, or you for that matter. Bill is here to make sure we
> follow the rules and provide guidance with issues, primarily. That
> being said I think we're about done, here's the report I have gathered
> from this chain:
>
> ##################################
> Several members of the Lokahi community attended Apachecon EU in an
> effort to grow the community. A FastFeather track on what Lokahi does
> and what it currently supports (slides are available here:
> http://people.apache.org/~toback/presentations/Lokahi-fast-feather-05-04-2007.pdf
>
> ). Specific outreach was made to the Geronimo community to help us
> get a sense of what it would take to have Lokahi control the Geronimo
> stack. A significant number of committers from other projects have
> subscribed to lokahi-dev over ApacheCon after discovering how this
> project could solve their own infrastructure headaches or how it could
> be enhanced to support their project's configuration and management.
> An initial roadmap of features has been planned, and development will
> be moving in the direction of the new roadmap. An initial draft of
> Lokahi's data model for the proposed switch to a Jackrabbit back-end
> was worked out with input from Jackrabbit community.
>
> The conversion to JCR takes first priority because it will mitigate
> existing difficulties that hinder community-growing, namely:
> (a) Oracle as db requirement, which reduces the potential user "market";
** note here we also have a license issue. As Oracle is commercial
license and MySQL is GPL (ya ya, open source implementation clause
and all that, it's still not unambiguously usable under ASF rules since
that clause may translate the AL into a copyleft license)... the conversion
to JCR eliminates the issue of Lokahi as "Open Source Licensed" and brings
us in line with the dependent license requirements.
> (b) inability to run Lokahi on a standalone machine, due to (a);
> (c) complicated build process, partially due to (a);
>
> JCR will provide the following benefits:
> (a) database independence (run Lokahi with a file system backend to
> try it out, or use a more robust storage platform for production) +
> embedded Derby db
> (b) lower barrier to contribution, see (a)
> (c) versioned objects -- the basis for storing versioned configuration
> files & foundation for a future "undo" feature requested by users.
> Great for real-world use in regulated environments which require
> detailed audit trails of who-changed-what-and-when.
>
> Obstacles to graduation:
>
> * community - now includes authors outside of the original dev
> community, but additional committers are sought. Recent distractions
> reinforced the fact that a larger committer base is needed to
> graduate.
>
> * licensing - oracle-only backend is now 90% of the way to an
> alternate MySQL backend, and soon to be enhanced with license agnostic
> interfaces
>
> ############################
>
> I will post this later today if no one has any objections.
+1
Re: [Fwd: WARNING - 2 days to deadline for May reports]
Posted by drtobes <dr...@gmail.com>.
On 5/8/07, DeBardeleben, Ruth L <ru...@merck.com> wrote:
> so Bill, do you have what you need for the board report? Are we done?
You mean Steve, or you for that matter. Bill is here to make sure we
follow the rules and provide guidance with issues, primarily. That
being said I think we're about done, here's the report I have gathered
from this chain:
##################################
Several members of the Lokahi community attended Apachecon EU in an
effort to grow the community. A FastFeather track on what Lokahi does
and what it currently supports (slides are available here:
http://people.apache.org/~toback/presentations/Lokahi-fast-feather-05-04-2007.pdf
). Specific outreach was made to the Geronimo community to help us
get a sense of what it would take to have Lokahi control the Geronimo
stack. A significant number of committers from other projects have
subscribed to lokahi-dev over ApacheCon after discovering how this
project could solve their own infrastructure headaches or how it could
be enhanced to support their project's configuration and management.
An initial roadmap of features has been planned, and development will
be moving in the direction of the new roadmap. An initial draft of
Lokahi's data model for the proposed switch to a Jackrabbit back-end
was worked out with input from Jackrabbit community.
The conversion to JCR takes first priority because it will mitigate
existing difficulties that hinder community-growing, namely:
(a) Oracle as db requirement, which reduces the potential user "market";
(b) inability to run Lokahi on a standalone machine, due to (a);
(c) complicated build process, partially due to (a);
JCR will provide the following benefits:
(a) database independence (run Lokahi with a file system backend to
try it out, or use a more robust storage platform for production) +
embedded Derby db
(b) lower barrier to contribution, see (a)
(c) versioned objects -- the basis for storing versioned configuration
files & foundation for a future "undo" feature requested by users.
Great for real-world use in regulated environments which require
detailed audit trails of who-changed-what-and-when.
Obstacles to graduation:
* community - now includes authors outside of the original dev
community, but additional committers are sought. Recent distractions
reinforced the fact that a larger committer base is needed to
graduate.
* licensing - oracle-only backend is now 90% of the way to an
alternate MySQL backend, and soon to be enhanced with license agnostic
interfaces
############################
I will post this later today if no one has any objections.
Steve
RE: [Fwd: WARNING - 2 days to deadline for May reports]
Posted by "DeBardeleben, Ruth L" <ru...@merck.com>.
so Bill, do you have what you need for the board report? Are we done?
-----Original Message-----
From: William A. Rowe, Jr. [mailto:wrowe@rowe-clan.net]
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 1:55 PM
To: lokahi-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [Fwd: WARNING - 2 days to deadline for May reports]
Lega, Peter Z wrote:
> Community is probably the most important point!
+1. The sql stuff will resolve itself (with a bit of elbow grease). We
can certainly -offer- mysql/oracle bindings but if we adapt more generic
sql backend api's - we don't lock them into gpl/proprietary choices and
there are no other code obstacles to graduating.
> Also,
> Bill Stoddard (Geronimo) wants to install Lokahi for use in his area
in
> IBM for evaluation, and help us get a sense of what it would take to
> have Lokahi control the Geronimo stack. I will reach out to him to
help
> him get what he needs.
Please don't forget to leave lokahi-dev@ in the loop, since there are
likely several folks interested in the same topic. Plus the hints and
banter can be condensed down to how-to or FAQ in the end. Avoid taking
the project offline - it's an easy habit to fall into but we don't want
to put community/process back on the 'obstacles to graduation list' :)
Bill
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Re: [Fwd: WARNING - 2 days to deadline for May reports]
Posted by Niall Pemberton <ni...@gmail.com>.
On 5/8/07, DeBardeleben, Ruth L <ru...@merck.com> wrote:
> Even if it's just problems getting it up and running, please do use the
> list. I want to write website content about "common installation
> probs," so having a guinea pig to point them out will be super helpful.
> And plus the emails are archived so I'll be able to refer to them later.
I agree with the above - but also more importantly communities at the
ASF operate on mailing list(s) and by dealing with issues/discussions
here (or thru' Jira which come thru to the list) its a tangible
demonstration that lokahi understands how projects at the ASF operate
and improve your chance of graduation.
I talked to one of the Beehive committers a couple of years ago about
their incubation experience (which was donated by BEA) - he said the
hardest thing was doing communication thru' the list when the core
developers all sat together at BEA - I guess iits a similar situation
for lokahi.
Niall
> Ruth
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lega, Peter Z
> Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 2:00 PM
> To: lokahi-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: RE: [Fwd: WARNING - 2 days to deadline for May reports]
>
> I will be sure to post whatever we do w/Bill perhaps we can work it to
> "talk it through" on the list.
> Some of it is just logistics of getting him up and running.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: William A. Rowe, Jr. [mailto:wrowe@rowe-clan.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 1:55 PM
> To: lokahi-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [Fwd: WARNING - 2 days to deadline for May reports]
>
> Lega, Peter Z wrote:
> > Community is probably the most important point!
>
> +1. The sql stuff will resolve itself (with a bit of elbow grease). We
> can certainly -offer- mysql/oracle bindings but if we adapt more generic
> sql backend api's - we don't lock them into gpl/proprietary choices and
> there are no other code obstacles to graduating.
>
> > Also,
> > Bill Stoddard (Geronimo) wants to install Lokahi for use in his area
> in
> > IBM for evaluation, and help us get a sense of what it would take to
> > have Lokahi control the Geronimo stack. I will reach out to him to
> help
> > him get what he needs.
>
> Please don't forget to leave lokahi-dev@ in the loop, since there are
> likely several folks interested in the same topic. Plus the hints and
> banter can be condensed down to how-to or FAQ in the end. Avoid taking
> the project offline - it's an easy habit to fall into but we don't want
> to put community/process back on the 'obstacles to graduation list' :)
>
> Bill
>
>
>
>
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RE: [Fwd: WARNING - 2 days to deadline for May reports]
Posted by "DeBardeleben, Ruth L" <ru...@merck.com>.
Even if it's just problems getting it up and running, please do use the
list. I want to write website content about "common installation
probs," so having a guinea pig to point them out will be super helpful.
And plus the emails are archived so I'll be able to refer to them later.
Ruth
-----Original Message-----
From: Lega, Peter Z
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 2:00 PM
To: lokahi-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: RE: [Fwd: WARNING - 2 days to deadline for May reports]
I will be sure to post whatever we do w/Bill perhaps we can work it to
"talk it through" on the list.
Some of it is just logistics of getting him up and running.
-----Original Message-----
From: William A. Rowe, Jr. [mailto:wrowe@rowe-clan.net]
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 1:55 PM
To: lokahi-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [Fwd: WARNING - 2 days to deadline for May reports]
Lega, Peter Z wrote:
> Community is probably the most important point!
+1. The sql stuff will resolve itself (with a bit of elbow grease). We
can certainly -offer- mysql/oracle bindings but if we adapt more generic
sql backend api's - we don't lock them into gpl/proprietary choices and
there are no other code obstacles to graduating.
> Also,
> Bill Stoddard (Geronimo) wants to install Lokahi for use in his area
in
> IBM for evaluation, and help us get a sense of what it would take to
> have Lokahi control the Geronimo stack. I will reach out to him to
help
> him get what he needs.
Please don't forget to leave lokahi-dev@ in the loop, since there are
likely several folks interested in the same topic. Plus the hints and
banter can be condensed down to how-to or FAQ in the end. Avoid taking
the project offline - it's an easy habit to fall into but we don't want
to put community/process back on the 'obstacles to graduation list' :)
Bill
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RE: [Fwd: WARNING - 2 days to deadline for May reports]
Posted by "Lega, Peter Z" <pe...@merck.com>.
I will be sure to post whatever we do w/Bill perhaps we can work it to
"talk it through" on the list.
Some of it is just logistics of getting him up and running.
-----Original Message-----
From: William A. Rowe, Jr. [mailto:wrowe@rowe-clan.net]
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 1:55 PM
To: lokahi-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [Fwd: WARNING - 2 days to deadline for May reports]
Lega, Peter Z wrote:
> Community is probably the most important point!
+1. The sql stuff will resolve itself (with a bit of elbow grease). We
can certainly -offer- mysql/oracle bindings but if we adapt more generic
sql backend api's - we don't lock them into gpl/proprietary choices and
there are no other code obstacles to graduating.
> Also,
> Bill Stoddard (Geronimo) wants to install Lokahi for use in his area
in
> IBM for evaluation, and help us get a sense of what it would take to
> have Lokahi control the Geronimo stack. I will reach out to him to
help
> him get what he needs.
Please don't forget to leave lokahi-dev@ in the loop, since there are
likely several folks interested in the same topic. Plus the hints and
banter can be condensed down to how-to or FAQ in the end. Avoid taking
the project offline - it's an easy habit to fall into but we don't want
to put community/process back on the 'obstacles to graduation list' :)
Bill
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Re: [Fwd: WARNING - 2 days to deadline for May reports]
Posted by "William A. Rowe, Jr." <wr...@rowe-clan.net>.
Lega, Peter Z wrote:
> Community is probably the most important point!
+1. The sql stuff will resolve itself (with a bit of elbow grease). We
can certainly -offer- mysql/oracle bindings but if we adapt more generic
sql backend api's - we don't lock them into gpl/proprietary choices and
there are no other code obstacles to graduating.
> Also,
> Bill Stoddard (Geronimo) wants to install Lokahi for use in his area in
> IBM for evaluation, and help us get a sense of what it would take to
> have Lokahi control the Geronimo stack. I will reach out to him to help
> him get what he needs.
Please don't forget to leave lokahi-dev@ in the loop, since there are
likely several folks interested in the same topic. Plus the hints and
banter can be condensed down to how-to or FAQ in the end. Avoid taking
the project offline - it's an easy habit to fall into but we don't want
to put community/process back on the 'obstacles to graduation list' :)
Bill
RE: [Fwd: WARNING - 2 days to deadline for May reports]
Posted by "Lega, Peter Z" <pe...@merck.com>.
Community is probably the most important point!
Also,
Bill Stoddard (Geronimo) wants to install Lokahi for use in his area in
IBM for evaluation, and help us get a sense of what it would take to
have Lokahi control the Geronimo stack. I will reach out to him to help
him get what he needs.
Pete
-----Original Message-----
From: Filip Hanik - Dev Lists [mailto:devlists@hanik.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 10:22 AM
To: lokahi-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [Fwd: WARNING - 2 days to deadline for May reports]
Toback, Steve wrote:
> Bill correct me if I am wrong - but there are 3 things we specifically
> need to address:
>
> Items to complete before graduation:
> Grow the community
>
this could be easily covered by
1. ApacheConEU2007 - Fast feather presentation
2. Attended Incubator get-togethers in Amsterdam
3. Mingling at the ApacheCon
and as a result, mailing list have come to life
Filip
> These two seem to be covered pretty well in the below text.
> Community
> Code / Plans.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeBardeleben, Ruth L
> Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 9:29 AM
> To: lokahi-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: RE: [Fwd: WARNING - 2 days to deadline for May reports]
>
> Ah good. Thanks Filip. Excellent point.
>
> So:
>
> --- begin board report text ---
>
> One of the Lokahi committers (Steve Toback) attended ApacheCon, along
> with other community members from Merck. Initial draft of Lokahi's
data
> model for the proposed switch to a Jackrabbit back-end was worked out
> with input from Jackrabbit community (Jukka Zitting). Steve presented
at
> FastFeather track (15-min sessions) & gave an short overview of what
> Lokahi does and what it currently supports. Discussed possibilities
for
> using Lokahi to manage Geronimo servers as well. An initial roadmap of
> features has been planned, and development will be moving in the
> direction of the new roadmap.
>
> The conversion to JCR takes first priority because it will mitigate
> existing difficulties that hinder community-growing, namely:
> (a) Oracle as db requirement, which reduces the potential user
"market";
>
> (b) inability to run Lokahi on a standalone machine, due to (a);
> (c) complicated build process, partially due to (a);
>
> And JCR will provide the following benefits:
> (a) database independence (run Lokahi with a file system backend to
try
> it out, or use a more robust storage platform for production) +
embedded
> Derby db
> (b) lower barrier to contribution, see (a)
> (c) versioned objects -- the basis for storing versioned configuration
> files & foundation for a future "undo" feature requested by users.
> Great for real-world use in regulated environments which require
> detailed audit trails of who-changed-what-and-when.
>
> --- end board report text ---
>
> anything else?
> Ruth
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Filip Hanik - Dev Lists [mailto:devlists@hanik.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 9:11 AM
> To: lokahi-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [Fwd: WARNING - 2 days to deadline for May reports]
>
> It would be good to add in that an "initial" roadmap of features has
> been planned, and that development will be moving in the direction of
> the new roadmap
> and maybe mention some of the stuff on the road map
> Filip
>
> DeBardeleben, Ruth L wrote:
>
>> Here's my take on it:
>>
>> One of the Lokahi committers (Steve Toback) attended ApacheCon, along
>> with other community members from Merck. Initial draft of Lokahi's
>>
> data
>
>> model for the proposed switch to a Jackrabbit back-end was worked out
>> with input from Jackrabbit community (Jukka Zitting). Steve presented
>>
> at
>
>> FastFeather track (15-min sessions) & gave an short overview of what
>> Lokahi does and what it currently supports. Discussed possibilities
>>
> for
>
>> using Lokahi to manage Geronimo servers as well.
>>
>> any edits, folks?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
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>> Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 11:05 PM
>> To: lokahi-dev@incubator.apache.org
>> Subject: [Fwd: WARNING - 2 days to deadline for May reports]
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Re: [Fwd: WARNING - 2 days to deadline for May reports]
Posted by Filip Hanik - Dev Lists <de...@hanik.com>.
Toback, Steve wrote:
> Bill correct me if I am wrong - but there are 3 things we specifically
> need to address:
>
> Items to complete before graduation:
> Grow the community
>
this could be easily covered by
1. ApacheConEU2007 - Fast feather presentation
2. Attended Incubator get-togethers in Amsterdam
3. Mingling at the ApacheCon
and as a result, mailing list have come to life
Filip
> These two seem to be covered pretty well in the below text.
> Community
> Code / Plans.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeBardeleben, Ruth L
> Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 9:29 AM
> To: lokahi-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: RE: [Fwd: WARNING - 2 days to deadline for May reports]
>
> Ah good. Thanks Filip. Excellent point.
>
> So:
>
> --- begin board report text ---
>
> One of the Lokahi committers (Steve Toback) attended ApacheCon, along
> with other community members from Merck. Initial draft of Lokahi's data
> model for the proposed switch to a Jackrabbit back-end was worked out
> with input from Jackrabbit community (Jukka Zitting). Steve presented at
> FastFeather track (15-min sessions) & gave an short overview of what
> Lokahi does and what it currently supports. Discussed possibilities for
> using Lokahi to manage Geronimo servers as well. An initial roadmap of
> features has been planned, and development will be moving in the
> direction of the new roadmap.
>
> The conversion to JCR takes first priority because it will mitigate
> existing difficulties that hinder community-growing, namely:
> (a) Oracle as db requirement, which reduces the potential user "market";
>
> (b) inability to run Lokahi on a standalone machine, due to (a);
> (c) complicated build process, partially due to (a);
>
> And JCR will provide the following benefits:
> (a) database independence (run Lokahi with a file system backend to try
> it out, or use a more robust storage platform for production) + embedded
> Derby db
> (b) lower barrier to contribution, see (a)
> (c) versioned objects -- the basis for storing versioned configuration
> files & foundation for a future "undo" feature requested by users.
> Great for real-world use in regulated environments which require
> detailed audit trails of who-changed-what-and-when.
>
> --- end board report text ---
>
> anything else?
> Ruth
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Filip Hanik - Dev Lists [mailto:devlists@hanik.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 9:11 AM
> To: lokahi-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [Fwd: WARNING - 2 days to deadline for May reports]
>
> It would be good to add in that an "initial" roadmap of features has
> been planned, and that development will be moving in the direction of
> the new roadmap
> and maybe mention some of the stuff on the road map
> Filip
>
> DeBardeleben, Ruth L wrote:
>
>> Here's my take on it:
>>
>> One of the Lokahi committers (Steve Toback) attended ApacheCon, along
>> with other community members from Merck. Initial draft of Lokahi's
>>
> data
>
>> model for the proposed switch to a Jackrabbit back-end was worked out
>> with input from Jackrabbit community (Jukka Zitting). Steve presented
>>
> at
>
>> FastFeather track (15-min sessions) & gave an short overview of what
>> Lokahi does and what it currently supports. Discussed possibilities
>>
> for
>
>> using Lokahi to manage Geronimo servers as well.
>>
>> any edits, folks?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: William A. Rowe, Jr. [mailto:wrowe@rowe-clan.net]
>> Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 11:05 PM
>> To: lokahi-dev@incubator.apache.org
>> Subject: [Fwd: WARNING - 2 days to deadline for May reports]
>>
>> Drat - forward of the belated reminder.
>>
>>
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RE: [Fwd: WARNING - 2 days to deadline for May reports]
Posted by "Toback, Steve" <st...@merck.com>.
Bill correct me if I am wrong - but there are 3 things we specifically
need to address:
Items to complete before graduation:
Grow the community
These two seem to be covered pretty well in the below text.
Community
Code / Plans.
-----Original Message-----
From: DeBardeleben, Ruth L
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 9:29 AM
To: lokahi-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: RE: [Fwd: WARNING - 2 days to deadline for May reports]
Ah good. Thanks Filip. Excellent point.
So:
--- begin board report text ---
One of the Lokahi committers (Steve Toback) attended ApacheCon, along
with other community members from Merck. Initial draft of Lokahi's data
model for the proposed switch to a Jackrabbit back-end was worked out
with input from Jackrabbit community (Jukka Zitting). Steve presented at
FastFeather track (15-min sessions) & gave an short overview of what
Lokahi does and what it currently supports. Discussed possibilities for
using Lokahi to manage Geronimo servers as well. An initial roadmap of
features has been planned, and development will be moving in the
direction of the new roadmap.
The conversion to JCR takes first priority because it will mitigate
existing difficulties that hinder community-growing, namely:
(a) Oracle as db requirement, which reduces the potential user "market";
(b) inability to run Lokahi on a standalone machine, due to (a);
(c) complicated build process, partially due to (a);
And JCR will provide the following benefits:
(a) database independence (run Lokahi with a file system backend to try
it out, or use a more robust storage platform for production) + embedded
Derby db
(b) lower barrier to contribution, see (a)
(c) versioned objects -- the basis for storing versioned configuration
files & foundation for a future "undo" feature requested by users.
Great for real-world use in regulated environments which require
detailed audit trails of who-changed-what-and-when.
--- end board report text ---
anything else?
Ruth
-----Original Message-----
From: Filip Hanik - Dev Lists [mailto:devlists@hanik.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 9:11 AM
To: lokahi-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [Fwd: WARNING - 2 days to deadline for May reports]
It would be good to add in that an "initial" roadmap of features has
been planned, and that development will be moving in the direction of
the new roadmap
and maybe mention some of the stuff on the road map
Filip
DeBardeleben, Ruth L wrote:
> Here's my take on it:
>
> One of the Lokahi committers (Steve Toback) attended ApacheCon, along
> with other community members from Merck. Initial draft of Lokahi's
data
> model for the proposed switch to a Jackrabbit back-end was worked out
> with input from Jackrabbit community (Jukka Zitting). Steve presented
at
> FastFeather track (15-min sessions) & gave an short overview of what
> Lokahi does and what it currently supports. Discussed possibilities
for
> using Lokahi to manage Geronimo servers as well.
>
> any edits, folks?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: William A. Rowe, Jr. [mailto:wrowe@rowe-clan.net]
> Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 11:05 PM
> To: lokahi-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: [Fwd: WARNING - 2 days to deadline for May reports]
>
> Drat - forward of the belated reminder.
>
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RE: [Fwd: WARNING - 2 days to deadline for May reports]
Posted by "DeBardeleben, Ruth L" <ru...@merck.com>.
Ah good. Thanks Filip. Excellent point.
So:
--- begin board report text ---
One of the Lokahi committers (Steve Toback) attended ApacheCon, along
with other community members from Merck. Initial draft of Lokahi's data
model for the proposed switch to a Jackrabbit back-end was worked out
with input from Jackrabbit community (Jukka Zitting). Steve presented at
FastFeather track (15-min sessions) & gave an short overview of what
Lokahi does and what it currently supports. Discussed possibilities for
using Lokahi to manage Geronimo servers as well. An initial roadmap of
features has been planned, and development will be moving in the
direction of the new roadmap.
The conversion to JCR takes first priority because it will mitigate
existing difficulties that hinder community-growing, namely:
(a) Oracle as db requirement, which reduces the potential user "market";
(b) inability to run Lokahi on a standalone machine, due to (a);
(c) complicated build process, partially due to (a);
And JCR will provide the following benefits:
(a) database independence (run Lokahi with a file system backend to try
it out, or use a more robust storage platform for production) + embedded
Derby db
(b) lower barrier to contribution, see (a)
(c) versioned objects -- the basis for storing versioned configuration
files & foundation for a future "undo" feature requested by users.
Great for real-world use in regulated environments which require
detailed audit trails of who-changed-what-and-when.
--- end board report text ---
anything else?
Ruth
-----Original Message-----
From: Filip Hanik - Dev Lists [mailto:devlists@hanik.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 9:11 AM
To: lokahi-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [Fwd: WARNING - 2 days to deadline for May reports]
It would be good to add in that an "initial" roadmap of features has
been planned, and that development will be moving in the direction of
the new roadmap
and maybe mention some of the stuff on the road map
Filip
DeBardeleben, Ruth L wrote:
> Here's my take on it:
>
> One of the Lokahi committers (Steve Toback) attended ApacheCon, along
> with other community members from Merck. Initial draft of Lokahi's
data
> model for the proposed switch to a Jackrabbit back-end was worked out
> with input from Jackrabbit community (Jukka Zitting). Steve presented
at
> FastFeather track (15-min sessions) & gave an short overview of what
> Lokahi does and what it currently supports. Discussed possibilities
for
> using Lokahi to manage Geronimo servers as well.
>
> any edits, folks?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: William A. Rowe, Jr. [mailto:wrowe@rowe-clan.net]
> Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 11:05 PM
> To: lokahi-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: [Fwd: WARNING - 2 days to deadline for May reports]
>
> Drat - forward of the belated reminder.
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Re: [Fwd: WARNING - 2 days to deadline for May reports]
Posted by Filip Hanik - Dev Lists <de...@hanik.com>.
It would be good to add in that an "initial" roadmap of features has
been planned, and that development will be moving in the direction of
the new roadmap
and maybe mention some of the stuff on the road map
Filip
DeBardeleben, Ruth L wrote:
> Here's my take on it:
>
> One of the Lokahi committers (Steve Toback) attended ApacheCon, along
> with other community members from Merck. Initial draft of Lokahi's data
> model for the proposed switch to a Jackrabbit back-end was worked out
> with input from Jackrabbit community (Jukka Zitting). Steve presented at
> FastFeather track (15-min sessions) & gave an short overview of what
> Lokahi does and what it currently supports. Discussed possibilities for
> using Lokahi to manage Geronimo servers as well.
>
> any edits, folks?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: William A. Rowe, Jr. [mailto:wrowe@rowe-clan.net]
> Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 11:05 PM
> To: lokahi-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: [Fwd: WARNING - 2 days to deadline for May reports]
>
> Drat - forward of the belated reminder.
>
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Re: [Fwd: WARNING - 2 days to deadline for May reports]
Posted by "William A. Rowe, Jr." <wr...@rowe-clan.net>.
DeBardeleben, Ruth L wrote:
> Here's my take on it:
>
> One of the Lokahi committers (Steve Toback) attended ApacheCon, along
> with other community members from Merck. Initial draft of Lokahi's data
> model for the proposed switch to a Jackrabbit back-end was worked out
> with input from Jackrabbit community (Jukka Zitting). Steve presented at
> FastFeather track (15-min sessions) & gave an short overview of what
> Lokahi does and what it currently supports. Discussed possibilities for
> using Lokahi to manage Geronimo servers as well.
>
> any edits, folks?
"A significant number of committers from other projects have subscribed
to lokahi-dev over ApacheCon after discovering how this project could
solve their own infrastructure headaches or how it could be enhanced to
support their project's configuration and management."
Looks great; let's identify obstacles to graduation and we'll call it a day.
* community - now includes authors outside of the original dev community,
but additional committers are sought. Recent distractions reinforced
the fact that a larger committer base is needed to graduate.
* licensing - oracle-only backend is now 90% of the way to an alternate
MySQL backend, and soon to be enhanced with license agnostic interfaces.
I see no other obstacles to graduate.
RE: [Fwd: WARNING - 2 days to deadline for May reports]
Posted by "DeBardeleben, Ruth L" <ru...@merck.com>.
Here's my take on it:
One of the Lokahi committers (Steve Toback) attended ApacheCon, along
with other community members from Merck. Initial draft of Lokahi's data
model for the proposed switch to a Jackrabbit back-end was worked out
with input from Jackrabbit community (Jukka Zitting). Steve presented at
FastFeather track (15-min sessions) & gave an short overview of what
Lokahi does and what it currently supports. Discussed possibilities for
using Lokahi to manage Geronimo servers as well.
any edits, folks?
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Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 11:05 PM
To: lokahi-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: [Fwd: WARNING - 2 days to deadline for May reports]
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