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Posted to general@incubator.apache.org by Martin Sebor <se...@roguewave.com> on 2005/09/07 00:30:26 UTC
questions about PPMCs
I have a few questions about PPMCs that I can't find answers to
in the documentation. Could someone help me with the answers?
1. Where do I get the member list for a given PPMC (such as stdcxx)?
2. Who can subscribe to a podling's ppmc mailing list? (If I'm one
of the moderators of the list, how do I know who to accept and
who I should reject? -- this is just a hypothetical question).
3. Is any subscriber to the -ppmc list also automatically a member
of the PPMC?
4. Are the -ppmc lists archived, and if so, where?
Thanks
Martin
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Re: questions about PPMCs
Posted by Leo Simons <ma...@leosimons.com>.
On Wed, Sep 07, 2005 at 09:20:46AM -0600, Martin Sebor wrote:
> Thank you both for all the links, they will be handy at some point.
> Right now, though, it's the PPMC info that I'm most interested in.
> In particular, I would like to know who the members of the stdcxx
> PPMC are.
These should be
* the people on the initial list of developers for the proposal that was sent to the incubator and voted on by its PMC
* the people that were added since
Off-hand I don't recall what the process for adding people to the PPMC is. I'm not confident we have one. I'm sure someone around here knows :)
I also don't know about "official" records of PPMC membership. A "PPMC" is less "official" than a "PMC". Its mostly a private mailing list with some people on it. A mailing
list which should not be used except for really sensitive stuff. And the people on it are the people that'd have to deal with that sensitive stuff.
> >>>4. Are the -ppmc lists archived, and if so, where?
> >>
> >>yes (unless archiving is disabled, which is a Bad Thing). On
> >>people.apache.org (aka minotaur) at
> >>
> >>/home/apmail/private-arch
> >>
> >>in "mbox" format.
> >
> >http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#mail-archives
>
> Noted, thanks :)
>
> I don't have permissions to access the private-arch/ subdirectory
> but, being a stdcxx-ppmc moderator, I can retrieve past messages
> using the stdcxx-ppmc-thread.N ezmlm command. I suppose non-PPMC
> subscribers should not (and will not) be able to view the archive
> and that's fine.
The people that have access to the files on minotaur are the ASF members. Probably the main (I think, only) reason that this stuff isn't accessible to eg a list its
subscribers is technological hassle to make that work. I'm sure apmail could provide specific mbox files to specific people on request, though the request probably should
be accompanied with a good reason :-)
cheers!
Leo
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Re: questions about PPMCs
Posted by Martin Sebor <se...@roguewave.com>.
David Crossley wrote:
> Leo Simons wrote:
>
>>Martin Sebor wrote:
>>
>>>I have a few questions about PPMCs that I can't find answers to
>>>in the documentation. Could someone help me with the answers?
>>>
>>>1. Where do I get the member list for a given PPMC (such as stdcxx)?
>>
>>There is a facility for that kind of info that Ken Coar provides at
>>apache-server.com but I'm a little sketchy on the details. The other one
>>is to ask apmail at apache dot_goes_here org (there's some ezmlm
>>commands to enter, see
>>
>>http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/infrastructure/apmail/trunk/README
>>
>>), but apmail is kinda busy so only ask if you've got a really good reason.
>
>
> The facility that Leo refers to is noted in
> https://svn.apache.org/repos/private/committers/docs/resources.txt
>
> There are notes in
> http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#chair
>
> The official list of each PMC is in
> https://svn.apache.org/repos/private/committers/board/committee-info.txt
> but i don't know about PPMCs sorry.
Thank you both for all the links, they will be handy at some point.
Right now, though, it's the PPMC info that I'm most interested in.
In particular, I would like to know who the members of the stdcxx
PPMC are.
>
> Moderators can get the list of who is subscribed for
> any list that they manage by sending to
> {$listname}-list@...apache.org
Right. This is useful, but as Leo noted, the set of subscribers need
not be the same as (or even a superset of) the set of PPMC members.
[...]
>>>4. Are the -ppmc lists archived, and if so, where?
>>
>>yes (unless archiving is disabled, which is a Bad Thing). On
>>people.apache.org (aka minotaur) at
>>
>>/home/apmail/private-arch
>>
>>in "mbox" format.
>
>
> http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#mail-archives
Noted, thanks :)
I don't have permissions to access the private-arch/ subdirectory
but, being a stdcxx-ppmc moderator, I can retrieve past messages
using the stdcxx-ppmc-thread.N ezmlm command. I suppose non-PPMC
subscribers should not (and will not) be able to view the archive
and that's fine.
Martin
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Re: questions about PPMCs
Posted by David Crossley <cr...@apache.org>.
Leo Simons wrote:
> Martin Sebor wrote:
> > I have a few questions about PPMCs that I can't find answers to
> > in the documentation. Could someone help me with the answers?
> >
> > 1. Where do I get the member list for a given PPMC (such as stdcxx)?
>
> There is a facility for that kind of info that Ken Coar provides at
> apache-server.com but I'm a little sketchy on the details. The other one
> is to ask apmail at apache dot_goes_here org (there's some ezmlm
> commands to enter, see
>
> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/infrastructure/apmail/trunk/README
>
> ), but apmail is kinda busy so only ask if you've got a really good reason.
The facility that Leo refers to is noted in
https://svn.apache.org/repos/private/committers/docs/resources.txt
There are notes in
http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#chair
The official list of each PMC is in
https://svn.apache.org/repos/private/committers/board/committee-info.txt
but i don't know about PPMCs sorry.
Moderators can get the list of who is subscribed for
any list that they manage by sending to
{$listname}-list@...apache.org
...........^^^^^
> > 2. Who can subscribe to a podling's ppmc mailing list?
>
> All apache members, all incubator pmc members, and all people on the
> PPMC. In addition, it can be ok to invite other people who don't belong
> to any of those categories.
>
> > (If I'm one
> > of the moderators of the list, how do I know who to accept and
> > who I should reject? -- this is just a hypothetical question).
>
> There are lists of who is on the incubator pmc (I think in the
> committers SVN module) and who are apache members but I honestly don't
> know where the most public lists are. There is
>
> http://people.apache.org/~jim/committers.html
>
> (people in bold are members). When in doubt, ask.
>
> > 3. Is any subscriber to the -ppmc list also automatically a member
> > of the PPMC?
>
> no.
>
> > 4. Are the -ppmc lists archived, and if so, where?
>
> yes (unless archiving is disabled, which is a Bad Thing). On
> people.apache.org (aka minotaur) at
>
> /home/apmail/private-arch
>
> in "mbox" format.
http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#mail-archives
-David
> These are good questions and someone should document the answer
> somewhere where it can be found. Volunteers welcome :-)
>
> cheers,
>
> Leo
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Re: questions about PPMCs
Posted by Leo Simons <ma...@leosimons.com>.
Martin Sebor wrote:
> I have a few questions about PPMCs that I can't find answers to
> in the documentation. Could someone help me with the answers?
>
> 1. Where do I get the member list for a given PPMC (such as stdcxx)?
There is a facility for that kind of info that Ken Coar provides at
apache-server.com but I'm a little sketchy on the details. The other one
is to ask apmail at apache dot_goes_here org (there's some ezmlm
commands to enter, see
http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/infrastructure/apmail/trunk/README
), but apmail is kinda busy so only ask if you've got a really good reason.
> 2. Who can subscribe to a podling's ppmc mailing list?
All apache members, all incubator pmc members, and all people on the
PPMC. In addition, it can be ok to invite other people who don't belong
to any of those categories.
> (If I'm one
> of the moderators of the list, how do I know who to accept and
> who I should reject? -- this is just a hypothetical question).
There are lists of who is on the incubator pmc (I think in the
committers SVN module) and who are apache members but I honestly don't
know where the most public lists are. There is
http://people.apache.org/~jim/committers.html
(people in bold are members). When in doubt, ask.
> 3. Is any subscriber to the -ppmc list also automatically a member
> of the PPMC?
no.
> 4. Are the -ppmc lists archived, and if so, where?
yes (unless archiving is disabled, which is a Bad Thing). On
people.apache.org (aka minotaur) at
/home/apmail/private-arch
in "mbox" format.
These are good questions and someone should document the answer
somewhere where it can be found. Volunteers welcome :-)
cheers,
Leo
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