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Posted to general@xml.apache.org by Edd Dumbill <ed...@usefulinc.com> on 2002/02/04 13:59:41 UTC
Re: [Announcement] Apache Cocoon 2.0.1 Release
On Thu, 2002-01-31 at 13:24, Carsten Ziegeler wrote:
> Apache Cocoon 2.0.1 Released
> ----------------------------
I've given this a mention on the XMLhack newswire. If the release note
had included major diffs between 2.0.1 and 2.0.0 I could have made a
bigger article out of it -- if you're able to, it would be good to see
more detailed announcements. I just didn't have the time/context to
figure out what was significant and what wasn't from the ChangeLog.
regards
-- Edd
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Re: [Announcement] Apache Cocoon 2.0.1 Release
Posted by Sylvain Wallez <sy...@anyware-tech.com>.
Carsten Ziegeler wrote:
>Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
>
>>Edd Dumbill wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 2002-01-31 at 13:24, Carsten Ziegeler wrote:
>>>
>>>>Apache Cocoon 2.0.1 Released
>>>>----------------------------
>>>>
>>>I've given this a mention on the XMLhack newswire. If the release note
>>>had included major diffs between 2.0.1 and 2.0.0 I could have made a
>>>bigger article out of it -- if you're able to, it would be good to see
>>>more detailed announcements. I just didn't have the time/context to
>>>figure out what was significant and what wasn't from the ChangeLog.
>>>
>>Very good point, Edd.
>>
>>We'll make sure that next announcements will be more detailed and more
>>informative both to users and to the press people that help us spread
>>the word.
>>
>>Thanks for your 'bug report' :)
>>
>I fixed this 'bug' after the 2.0.1 release as soon as I got aware of it.
>So our next announcements are more verbose. Promised.
>
>Carsten
>
What about adding an "importance" attribute to changes in changes.xml,
with values high/middle/low so that we can automatically build an
announcement with high importance changes ?
Sylvain
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Re: high-level entries for changes.xml (was: [Announcement] Apache
Cocoon 2.0.1 Release)
Posted by Stefano Mazzocchi <st...@apache.org>.
Carsten Ziegeler wrote:
>
> Sylvain Wallez wrote:
> >
> > David Crossley wrote:
> >
> > >Carsten Ziegeler wrote:
> > >
> > >>Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>Edd Dumbill wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>>Carsten Ziegeler wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>Apache Cocoon 2.0.1 Released
> > >>>>>----------------------------
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>I've given this a mention on the XMLhack newswire. If the
> > release note
> > >>>>had included major diffs between 2.0.1 and 2.0.0 I could have made a
> > >>>>bigger article out of it -- if you're able to, it would be good to see
> > >>>>more detailed announcements. I just didn't have the time/context to
> > >>>>figure out what was significant and what wasn't from the ChangeLog.
> > >>>>
> > >>>Very good point, Edd.
> > >>>
> > >>>We'll make sure that next announcements will be more detailed and more
> > >>>informative both to users and to the press people that help us spread
> > >>>the word.
> > >>>
> > >>>Thanks for your 'bug report' :)
> > >>>
> > >>I fixed this 'bug' after the 2.0.1 release as soon as I got aware of it.
> > >>So our next announcements are more verbose. Promised.
> > >>
> > >>Carsten
> > >>
> > >
> > >We could tweak the DTD changes-v1?.dtd to provide a
> > >high-level announcement action in changes.xml which would
> > >then get extracted at Announcement time. One easy way
> > >would be to provide an additional value for the "type" attribute
> > >of the <action> element.
> > > types "add|remove|update|fix" ... |announce
> > >
> > >In that way actions can be described in detail as per normal.
> > >If the change or new feature is worthy of mention in the
> > >Announcement, then we add another <action> entry to provide
> > >the specific announcment text.
> > >
> > >--David Crossley
> > >
> > I proposed to add a new attribute on <action> named "importance" taking
> > the values "high|medium|low" (low by default). This would allow to build
> > an announcement by extracting all high importance actions.
> >
> > A new attribute would also avoid to either loose the information of
> > "add|remove|update", or duplicate the action text to add it to the
> > annoucements. It would also allow to order items in the releases notes
> > depending on their importance.
> >
> > Thoughts ?
> >
> Seeing these alternatives, I think the one from Sylvain is easier-to-use.
> But this requires for all of us (especially me...) to spend more time in
> the texts of the changes.log. And some native-speakers should have a look
> at it before a release.
Nah, people won't care if we have spelling mistakes in a OSS
announcement... they only care about the meat :) (ie the important
changes)
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Stefano Mazzocchi One must still have chaos in oneself to be
able to give birth to a dancing star.
<st...@apache.org> Friedrich Nietzsche
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RE: high-level entries for changes.xml (was: [Announcement] Apache Cocoon 2.0.1 Release)
Posted by Carsten Ziegeler <cz...@s-und-n.de>.
Sylvain Wallez wrote:
>
> David Crossley wrote:
>
> >Carsten Ziegeler wrote:
> >
> >>Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
> >>
> >>>Edd Dumbill wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>Carsten Ziegeler wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>Apache Cocoon 2.0.1 Released
> >>>>>----------------------------
> >>>>>
> >>>>I've given this a mention on the XMLhack newswire. If the
> release note
> >>>>had included major diffs between 2.0.1 and 2.0.0 I could have made a
> >>>>bigger article out of it -- if you're able to, it would be good to see
> >>>>more detailed announcements. I just didn't have the time/context to
> >>>>figure out what was significant and what wasn't from the ChangeLog.
> >>>>
> >>>Very good point, Edd.
> >>>
> >>>We'll make sure that next announcements will be more detailed and more
> >>>informative both to users and to the press people that help us spread
> >>>the word.
> >>>
> >>>Thanks for your 'bug report' :)
> >>>
> >>I fixed this 'bug' after the 2.0.1 release as soon as I got aware of it.
> >>So our next announcements are more verbose. Promised.
> >>
> >>Carsten
> >>
> >
> >We could tweak the DTD changes-v1?.dtd to provide a
> >high-level announcement action in changes.xml which would
> >then get extracted at Announcement time. One easy way
> >would be to provide an additional value for the "type" attribute
> >of the <action> element.
> > types "add|remove|update|fix" ... |announce
> >
> >In that way actions can be described in detail as per normal.
> >If the change or new feature is worthy of mention in the
> >Announcement, then we add another <action> entry to provide
> >the specific announcment text.
> >
> >--David Crossley
> >
> I proposed to add a new attribute on <action> named "importance" taking
> the values "high|medium|low" (low by default). This would allow to build
> an announcement by extracting all high importance actions.
>
> A new attribute would also avoid to either loose the information of
> "add|remove|update", or duplicate the action text to add it to the
> annoucements. It would also allow to order items in the releases notes
> depending on their importance.
>
> Thoughts ?
>
Seeing these alternatives, I think the one from Sylvain is easier-to-use.
But this requires for all of us (especially me...) to spend more time in
the texts of the changes.log. And some native-speakers should have a look
at it before a release.
Carsten
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Re: high-level entries for changes.xml (was: [Announcement] Apache Cocoon 2.0.1 Release)
Posted by Sylvain Wallez <sy...@anyware-tech.com>.
David Crossley wrote:
>Carsten Ziegeler wrote:
>
>>Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
>>
>>>Edd Dumbill wrote:
>>>
>>>>Carsten Ziegeler wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Apache Cocoon 2.0.1 Released
>>>>>----------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>I've given this a mention on the XMLhack newswire. If the release note
>>>>had included major diffs between 2.0.1 and 2.0.0 I could have made a
>>>>bigger article out of it -- if you're able to, it would be good to see
>>>>more detailed announcements. I just didn't have the time/context to
>>>>figure out what was significant and what wasn't from the ChangeLog.
>>>>
>>>Very good point, Edd.
>>>
>>>We'll make sure that next announcements will be more detailed and more
>>>informative both to users and to the press people that help us spread
>>>the word.
>>>
>>>Thanks for your 'bug report' :)
>>>
>>I fixed this 'bug' after the 2.0.1 release as soon as I got aware of it.
>>So our next announcements are more verbose. Promised.
>>
>>Carsten
>>
>
>We could tweak the DTD changes-v1?.dtd to provide a
>high-level announcement action in changes.xml which would
>then get extracted at Announcement time. One easy way
>would be to provide an additional value for the "type" attribute
>of the <action> element.
> types "add|remove|update|fix" ... |announce
>
>In that way actions can be described in detail as per normal.
>If the change or new feature is worthy of mention in the
>Announcement, then we add another <action> entry to provide
>the specific announcment text.
>
>--David Crossley
>
I proposed to add a new attribute on <action> named "importance" taking
the values "high|medium|low" (low by default). This would allow to build
an announcement by extracting all high importance actions.
A new attribute would also avoid to either loose the information of
"add|remove|update", or duplicate the action text to add it to the
annoucements. It would also allow to order items in the releases notes
depending on their importance.
Thoughts ?
Sylvain
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Re: high-level entries for changes.xml (was: [Announcement] Apache
Cocoon 2.0.1 Release)
Posted by Stefano Mazzocchi <st...@apache.org>.
David Crossley wrote:
>
> Carsten Ziegeler wrote:
> > Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
> > > Edd Dumbill wrote:
> > > > Carsten Ziegeler wrote:
> > > > > Apache Cocoon 2.0.1 Released
> > > > > ----------------------------
> > > >
> > > > I've given this a mention on the XMLhack newswire. If the release note
> > > > had included major diffs between 2.0.1 and 2.0.0 I could have made a
> > > > bigger article out of it -- if you're able to, it would be good to see
> > > > more detailed announcements. I just didn't have the time/context to
> > > > figure out what was significant and what wasn't from the ChangeLog.
> > >
> > > Very good point, Edd.
> > >
> > > We'll make sure that next announcements will be more detailed and more
> > > informative both to users and to the press people that help us spread
> > > the word.
> > >
> > > Thanks for your 'bug report' :)
> >
> > I fixed this 'bug' after the 2.0.1 release as soon as I got aware of it.
> > So our next announcements are more verbose. Promised.
> >
> > Carsten
>
> We could tweak the DTD changes-v1?.dtd to provide a
> high-level announcement action in changes.xml which would
> then get extracted at Announcement time. One easy way
> would be to provide an additional value for the "type" attribute
> of the <action> element.
> types "add|remove|update|fix" ... |announce
No, the 'announce' property should be another attribute.
I'll change this on changes-v11 that is now undergoing work in
xml-forrest (check it out!)
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able to give birth to a dancing star.
<st...@apache.org> Friedrich Nietzsche
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high-level entries for changes.xml (was: [Announcement] Apache Cocoon 2.0.1 Release)
Posted by David Crossley <cr...@indexgeo.com.au>.
Carsten Ziegeler wrote:
> Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
> > Edd Dumbill wrote:
> > > Carsten Ziegeler wrote:
> > > > Apache Cocoon 2.0.1 Released
> > > > ----------------------------
> > >
> > > I've given this a mention on the XMLhack newswire. If the release note
> > > had included major diffs between 2.0.1 and 2.0.0 I could have made a
> > > bigger article out of it -- if you're able to, it would be good to see
> > > more detailed announcements. I just didn't have the time/context to
> > > figure out what was significant and what wasn't from the ChangeLog.
> >
> > Very good point, Edd.
> >
> > We'll make sure that next announcements will be more detailed and more
> > informative both to users and to the press people that help us spread
> > the word.
> >
> > Thanks for your 'bug report' :)
>
> I fixed this 'bug' after the 2.0.1 release as soon as I got aware of it.
> So our next announcements are more verbose. Promised.
>
> Carsten
We could tweak the DTD changes-v1?.dtd to provide a
high-level announcement action in changes.xml which would
then get extracted at Announcement time. One easy way
would be to provide an additional value for the "type" attribute
of the <action> element.
types "add|remove|update|fix" ... |announce
In that way actions can be described in detail as per normal.
If the change or new feature is worthy of mention in the
Announcement, then we add another <action> entry to provide
the specific announcment text.
--David Crossley
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RE: [Announcement] Apache Cocoon 2.0.1 Release
Posted by Carsten Ziegeler <cz...@s-und-n.de>.
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
>
> Edd Dumbill wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, 2002-01-31 at 13:24, Carsten Ziegeler wrote:
> > > Apache Cocoon 2.0.1 Released
> > > ----------------------------
> >
> > I've given this a mention on the XMLhack newswire. If the release note
> > had included major diffs between 2.0.1 and 2.0.0 I could have made a
> > bigger article out of it -- if you're able to, it would be good to see
> > more detailed announcements. I just didn't have the time/context to
> > figure out what was significant and what wasn't from the ChangeLog.
>
> Very good point, Edd.
>
> We'll make sure that next announcements will be more detailed and more
> informative both to users and to the press people that help us spread
> the word.
>
> Thanks for your 'bug report' :)
>
I fixed this 'bug' after the 2.0.1 release as soon as I got aware of it.
So our next announcements are more verbose. Promised.
Carsten
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RE: [Announcement] Apache Cocoon 2.0.1 Release
Posted by Carsten Ziegeler <cz...@s-und-n.de>.
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
>
> Edd Dumbill wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, 2002-01-31 at 13:24, Carsten Ziegeler wrote:
> > > Apache Cocoon 2.0.1 Released
> > > ----------------------------
> >
> > I've given this a mention on the XMLhack newswire. If the release note
> > had included major diffs between 2.0.1 and 2.0.0 I could have made a
> > bigger article out of it -- if you're able to, it would be good to see
> > more detailed announcements. I just didn't have the time/context to
> > figure out what was significant and what wasn't from the ChangeLog.
>
> Very good point, Edd.
>
> We'll make sure that next announcements will be more detailed and more
> informative both to users and to the press people that help us spread
> the word.
>
> Thanks for your 'bug report' :)
>
I fixed this 'bug' after the 2.0.1 release as soon as I got aware of it.
So our next announcements are more verbose. Promised.
Carsten
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Re: [Announcement] Apache Cocoon 2.0.1 Release
Posted by Stefano Mazzocchi <st...@apache.org>.
Edd Dumbill wrote:
>
> On Thu, 2002-01-31 at 13:24, Carsten Ziegeler wrote:
> > Apache Cocoon 2.0.1 Released
> > ----------------------------
>
> I've given this a mention on the XMLhack newswire. If the release note
> had included major diffs between 2.0.1 and 2.0.0 I could have made a
> bigger article out of it -- if you're able to, it would be good to see
> more detailed announcements. I just didn't have the time/context to
> figure out what was significant and what wasn't from the ChangeLog.
Very good point, Edd.
We'll make sure that next announcements will be more detailed and more
informative both to users and to the press people that help us spread
the word.
Thanks for your 'bug report' :)
--
Stefano Mazzocchi One must still have chaos in oneself to be
able to give birth to a dancing star.
<st...@apache.org> Friedrich Nietzsche
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Re: [Announcement] Apache Cocoon 2.0.1 Release
Posted by Stefano Mazzocchi <st...@apache.org>.
Edd Dumbill wrote:
>
> On Thu, 2002-01-31 at 13:24, Carsten Ziegeler wrote:
> > Apache Cocoon 2.0.1 Released
> > ----------------------------
>
> I've given this a mention on the XMLhack newswire. If the release note
> had included major diffs between 2.0.1 and 2.0.0 I could have made a
> bigger article out of it -- if you're able to, it would be good to see
> more detailed announcements. I just didn't have the time/context to
> figure out what was significant and what wasn't from the ChangeLog.
Very good point, Edd.
We'll make sure that next announcements will be more detailed and more
informative both to users and to the press people that help us spread
the word.
Thanks for your 'bug report' :)
--
Stefano Mazzocchi One must still have chaos in oneself to be
able to give birth to a dancing star.
<st...@apache.org> Friedrich Nietzsche
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