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[User Experience] - What is the status of the user experience project?
Hello All,
Does anyone have an update on the status of the AOO user experience
project? See http://www.openoffice.org/ux/ for current information.
Are Frank Leohmann and Christoph Noack still involved?
How might we validate the names of UX community as found on:
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User_Experience/Community?
Thoughts?
Regards,
Kevin
Re: [User Experience] - What is the status of the user experience
project?
Posted by Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>.
On 04/05/2012 Kevin Grignon wrote:
> How might we validate the names of UX community as found on:
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User_Experience/Community?
Raffaello has been active on the Italian mailing lists recently. Just
e-mail me in private if you need to contact him.
Regards,
Andrea.
Re: [User Experience] - What is the status of the user experience
project?
Posted by Jürgen Schmidt <jo...@googlemail.com>.
On 5/4/12 8:56 AM, Kevin Grignon wrote:
> Jurgen,
>
> Thanks for the insight. In reviewing the wiki, the backlog content is still
> relevant, but the activity to do and membership are really out of date.
>
> Is it reasonable to archive the current content, harvest actionable and
> relevant backlog items, and start fresh?
I think so, if nobody work on it it is useless anyway
Starting new and fresh is a good idea. We should focus on the future and
not on the past.
New people = new blood in the project -> new ideas, new motivation, ...
People should work on the things they are interested in and where they
think they can help. Important is that we communicate about what we are
doing, why we are doing it and that we agree on a common direction to
drive our project and product forward.
I am sure we will identify areas where people have different opinions
and especially in this situations communication and explanation is very
important to find consensus.
Juergen
>
> Perhaps I could make a community proposal to support a UX community wiki
> refresh.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Regards,
> Kevin
>
>
> On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Jürgen Schmidt
> <jo...@googlemail.com>wrote:
>
>> On 5/4/12 6:15 AM, Kevin Grignon wrote:
>>
>>> Hello All,
>>>
>>> Does anyone have an update on the status of the AOO user experience
>>> project? See http://www.openoffice.org/ux/ for current information.
>>>
>>
>> I think it is stalled and is waiting on reactivation ;-) (that you already
>> have started)
>>
>>
>>
>>> Are Frank Leohmann and Christoph Noack still involved?
>>>
>>
>> I assume Frank has a new job and isn't active anymore and Christoph went
>> to LibreOffice.
>>
>>
>>
>>> How might we validate the names of UX community as found on:
>>> http://wiki.services.**openoffice.org/wiki/User_**Experience/Community<http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User_Experience/Community>
>>> ?
>>>
>>>
>> I would not spent too much time on this and would focus only on the future.
>>
>> The problem with such pages is that they are always outdated.
>>
>> Juergen
>>
>
Re: [User Experience] - What is the status of the user experience project?
Posted by Kevin Grignon <ke...@gmail.com>.
Jurgen,
Thanks for the insight. In reviewing the wiki, the backlog content is still
relevant, but the activity to do and membership are really out of date.
Is it reasonable to archive the current content, harvest actionable and
relevant backlog items, and start fresh?
Perhaps I could make a community proposal to support a UX community wiki
refresh.
Thoughts?
Regards,
Kevin
On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Jürgen Schmidt
<jo...@googlemail.com>wrote:
> On 5/4/12 6:15 AM, Kevin Grignon wrote:
>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> Does anyone have an update on the status of the AOO user experience
>> project? See http://www.openoffice.org/ux/ for current information.
>>
>
> I think it is stalled and is waiting on reactivation ;-) (that you already
> have started)
>
>
>
>> Are Frank Leohmann and Christoph Noack still involved?
>>
>
> I assume Frank has a new job and isn't active anymore and Christoph went
> to LibreOffice.
>
>
>
>> How might we validate the names of UX community as found on:
>> http://wiki.services.**openoffice.org/wiki/User_**Experience/Community<http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User_Experience/Community>
>> ?
>>
>>
> I would not spent too much time on this and would focus only on the future.
>
> The problem with such pages is that they are always outdated.
>
> Juergen
>
Re: [User Experience] - What is the status of the user experience project?
Posted by Yong Lin Ma <ma...@gmail.com>.
On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 5:49 PM, Peter Junge <pe...@gmx.org> wrote:
> On 5/4/2012 5:40 PM, Yong Lin Ma wrote:
>>
>> Anyone can tell how the UX team in OO.o work ? Is it a group of
>> designers or a mix of designers and developers?
>
>
> The team was a mixture of many volunteers with many different backgrounds
> and a couple of product managers that were on the payroll of Oracle/Sun.
>
Thank you, Peter.
That was also what I thought. We need contributors who willing to help
to implement designer's idea here.
>
>>
>> On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 5:21 PM, Yue Helen<he...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> 2012/5/4 Jürgen Schmidt<jo...@googlemail.com>
>>>
>>>> On 5/4/12 6:15 AM, Kevin Grignon wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello All,
>>>>>
>>>>> Does anyone have an update on the status of the AOO user experience
>>>>> project? See http://www.openoffice.org/ux/ for current information.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I think it is stalled and is waiting on reactivation ;-) (that you
>>>> already
>>>> have started)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Are Frank Leohmann and Christoph Noack still involved?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I assume Frank has a new job and isn't active anymore and Christoph went
>>>> to LibreOffice.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> How might we validate the names of UX community as found on:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://wiki.services.**openoffice.org/wiki/User_**Experience/Community<http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User_Experience/Community>
>>>>> ?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> I would not spent too much time on this and would focus only on the
>>>> future.
>>>>
>>>> The problem with such pages is that they are always outdated.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Agree with Juergen. We can start from the people we have now in the
>>> community, and plan for the future. UX design is very important for an
>>> office product. We need to build design input into our development
>>> activities.
>>>
>>> Helen
>>>
>>>
>>>> Juergen
>>>>
>
Re: [User Experience] - What is the status of the user experience project?
Posted by Kevin Grignon <ke...@gmail.com>.
Hello All,
I'm pleased to announce that we have established a new AOO user experience
community. Watch
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Apache_OpenOffice_User_Experiencefor
updates.
If you're passionate about designing and developing great software, then
AOO UX would welcome your support. Please show your support and share you
UX interests on the AOO UX community members list. Visit
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/AOO_User_Experience_Community_Membersto
sign up.
AOO UX community seeks to understand who uses AOO and what it means in
their life. Let's work together to enhance the existing products, and
design our future products.
Regards,
Kevin
AOO User Experience Design
On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 2:15 PM, Kevin Grignon <ke...@gmail.com>wrote:
> Hello All,
>
> Thanks for your interest and responses.
>
> @Fernando, your contribution would be great.
>
> As I'm new to the effort, and not overly familiar with the past, I'll just
> be focusing on the future of AOO user experience.
>
> Jeurgen's thoughts align well my my perspective. Jeurgen notes:
>
> "People should work on the things they are interested in and where they
> think they can help. Important is that we communicate about what we are
> doing, why we are doing it and that we agree on a common direction to drive
> our project and product forward. I [Jeurgen] am sure we will identify areas
> where people have different opinions and especially in this situations
> communication and explanation is very important to find consensus"
>
> Therefore, I'll launch a proposal to archive the current content, harvest
> actionable and relevant backlog items. Then, we can re-establish the UX
> community and begin to forge a common direction for the UX effort.
>
> Regards,
> Kevin
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 8:58 AM, Peter Junge <pe...@gmx.org> wrote:
>
>> On 5/4/2012 7:07 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 7:28 AM, Peter Junge<pe...@gmx.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> my answer wasn't valuing anything, so I'm a little bit puzzled about
>>>> your
>>>> reply ;-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I was just thinking aloud Peter, not blaming it on you. :)
>>>
>>> I'm just annoyed by the usual anti-Sun anti-Oracle rants and "history
>>> rewriting" when in fact the firm supported OO.o and StarOffice
>>> development
>>> with the wages of its developers.
>>>
>>
>> OK, I seem to have missed that your post was pure irony. :-)
>>
>> Peter
>>
>
>
Re: [User Experience] - What is the status of the user experience project?
Posted by Kevin Grignon <ke...@gmail.com>.
Hello All,
Thanks for your interest and responses.
@Fernando, your contribution would be great.
As I'm new to the effort, and not overly familiar with the past, I'll just
be focusing on the future of AOO user experience.
Jeurgen's thoughts align well my my perspective. Jeurgen notes:
"People should work on the things they are interested in and where they
think they can help. Important is that we communicate about what we are
doing, why we are doing it and that we agree on a common direction to drive
our project and product forward. I [Jeurgen] am sure we will identify areas
where people have different opinions and especially in this situations
communication and explanation is very important to find consensus"
Therefore, I'll launch a proposal to archive the current content, harvest
actionable and relevant backlog items. Then, we can re-establish the UX
community and begin to forge a common direction for the UX effort.
Regards,
Kevin
On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 8:58 AM, Peter Junge <pe...@gmx.org> wrote:
> On 5/4/2012 7:07 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote:
>
>> On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 7:28 AM, Peter Junge<pe...@gmx.org> wrote:
>>
>> my answer wasn't valuing anything, so I'm a little bit puzzled about your
>>> reply ;-)
>>>
>>>
>> I was just thinking aloud Peter, not blaming it on you. :)
>>
>> I'm just annoyed by the usual anti-Sun anti-Oracle rants and "history
>> rewriting" when in fact the firm supported OO.o and StarOffice development
>> with the wages of its developers.
>>
>
> OK, I seem to have missed that your post was pure irony. :-)
>
> Peter
>
Re: [User Experience] - What is the status of the user experience
project?
Posted by Peter Junge <pe...@gmx.org>.
On 5/4/2012 7:07 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote:
> On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 7:28 AM, Peter Junge<pe...@gmx.org> wrote:
>
>> my answer wasn't valuing anything, so I'm a little bit puzzled about your
>> reply ;-)
>>
>
> I was just thinking aloud Peter, not blaming it on you. :)
>
> I'm just annoyed by the usual anti-Sun anti-Oracle rants and "history
> rewriting" when in fact the firm supported OO.o and StarOffice development
> with the wages of its developers.
OK, I seem to have missed that your post was pure irony. :-)
Peter
Re: [User Experience] - What is the status of the user experience project?
Posted by Fernando Cassia <fc...@gmail.com>.
On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 7:28 AM, Peter Junge <pe...@gmx.org> wrote:
> my answer wasn't valuing anything, so I'm a little bit puzzled about your
> reply ;-)
>
I was just thinking aloud Peter, not blaming it on you. :)
I'm just annoyed by the usual anti-Sun anti-Oracle rants and "history
rewriting" when in fact the firm supported OO.o and StarOffice development
with the wages of its developers.
FC
--
During times of Universal Deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary
act
- George Orwell
Re: [User Experience] - What is the status of the user experience
project?
Posted by Peter Junge <pe...@gmx.org>.
On 5/4/2012 6:15 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote:
> On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 6:49 AM, Peter Junge<pe...@gmx.org> wrote:
>
>> The team was a mixture of many volunteers with many different backgrounds
>> and a couple of product managers that were on the payroll of Oracle/Sun.
>
>
> Oh! the "Evil" Oracle/Sun did something good huh?. I guess we should thank
> the LO jihadists for the killing of StarOffice/Oracle Open Office...
> *sarcasm*
Hi Fernando,
my answer wasn't valuing anything, so I'm a little bit puzzled about
your reply or is it just a Friday's troll attempt. ;-)
Good weekend,
Peter
Re: [User Experience] - What is the status of the user experience project?
Posted by Fernando Cassia <fc...@gmail.com>.
On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 6:49 AM, Peter Junge <pe...@gmx.org> wrote:
> The team was a mixture of many volunteers with many different backgrounds
> and a couple of product managers that were on the payroll of Oracle/Sun.
Oh! the "Evil" Oracle/Sun did something good huh?. I guess we should thank
the LO jihadists for the killing of StarOffice/Oracle Open Office...
*sarcasm*
FC
--
During times of Universal Deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary
act
- George Orwell
Re: [User Experience] - What is the status of the user experience
project?
Posted by Peter Junge <pe...@gmx.org>.
On 5/4/2012 5:40 PM, Yong Lin Ma wrote:
> Anyone can tell how the UX team in OO.o work ? Is it a group of
> designers or a mix of designers and developers?
The team was a mixture of many volunteers with many different
backgrounds and a couple of product managers that were on the payroll of
Oracle/Sun.
>
> On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 5:21 PM, Yue Helen<he...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 2012/5/4 Jürgen Schmidt<jo...@googlemail.com>
>>
>>> On 5/4/12 6:15 AM, Kevin Grignon wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello All,
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone have an update on the status of the AOO user experience
>>>> project? See http://www.openoffice.org/ux/ for current information.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I think it is stalled and is waiting on reactivation ;-) (that you already
>>> have started)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Are Frank Leohmann and Christoph Noack still involved?
>>>>
>>>
>>> I assume Frank has a new job and isn't active anymore and Christoph went
>>> to LibreOffice.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> How might we validate the names of UX community as found on:
>>>> http://wiki.services.**openoffice.org/wiki/User_**Experience/Community<http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User_Experience/Community>
>>>> ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I would not spent too much time on this and would focus only on the future.
>>>
>>> The problem with such pages is that they are always outdated.
>>>
>>
>> Agree with Juergen. We can start from the people we have now in the
>> community, and plan for the future. UX design is very important for an
>> office product. We need to build design input into our development
>> activities.
>>
>> Helen
>>
>>
>>> Juergen
>>>
Re: [User Experience] - What is the status of the user experience project?
Posted by Yong Lin Ma <ma...@gmail.com>.
Anyone can tell how the UX team in OO.o work ? Is it a group of
designers or a mix of designers and developers?
On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 5:21 PM, Yue Helen <he...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 2012/5/4 Jürgen Schmidt <jo...@googlemail.com>
>
>> On 5/4/12 6:15 AM, Kevin Grignon wrote:
>>
>>> Hello All,
>>>
>>> Does anyone have an update on the status of the AOO user experience
>>> project? See http://www.openoffice.org/ux/ for current information.
>>>
>>
>> I think it is stalled and is waiting on reactivation ;-) (that you already
>> have started)
>>
>>
>>
>>> Are Frank Leohmann and Christoph Noack still involved?
>>>
>>
>> I assume Frank has a new job and isn't active anymore and Christoph went
>> to LibreOffice.
>>
>>
>>
>>> How might we validate the names of UX community as found on:
>>> http://wiki.services.**openoffice.org/wiki/User_**Experience/Community<http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User_Experience/Community>
>>> ?
>>>
>>>
>> I would not spent too much time on this and would focus only on the future.
>>
>> The problem with such pages is that they are always outdated.
>>
>
> Agree with Juergen. We can start from the people we have now in the
> community, and plan for the future. UX design is very important for an
> office product. We need to build design input into our development
> activities.
>
> Helen
>
>
>> Juergen
>>
Re: [User Experience] - What is the status of the user experience project?
Posted by Fernando Cassia <fc...@gmail.com>.
On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 6:21 AM, Yue Helen <he...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Agree with Juergen. We can start from the people we have now in the
> community, and plan for the future. UX design is very important for an
> office product. We need to build design input into our development
> activities.
>
> Helen
>
Sorry to parachute into this discussion, but I have just joined this list
and didn't see the beginning of this thread.
Count me in, if I can, I will provide UX feedback and/or ideas.
Also important is to learn from other people's mistakes, and try to avoid
doing change for change's sake.
If in doubt, ask Google about what not to do. ;)
http://news.techeye.net/software/google-to-angry-gmail-users-we-know-better
http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news/2012/4/24/googles-cloud-throws-a-thunderbolt-to-gmail-users.aspx
See also: http://t.co/HeTn5RCe
Moral of the story: don't change for change's sake, and always consult with
users and beta-test UX changes for end-user feedback before implementing
them and adding those changes to the product.
FC
--
During times of Universal Deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary
act
- George Orwell
Re: [User Experience] - What is the status of the user experience project?
Posted by Yue Helen <he...@gmail.com>.
2012/5/4 Jürgen Schmidt <jo...@googlemail.com>
> On 5/4/12 6:15 AM, Kevin Grignon wrote:
>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> Does anyone have an update on the status of the AOO user experience
>> project? See http://www.openoffice.org/ux/ for current information.
>>
>
> I think it is stalled and is waiting on reactivation ;-) (that you already
> have started)
>
>
>
>> Are Frank Leohmann and Christoph Noack still involved?
>>
>
> I assume Frank has a new job and isn't active anymore and Christoph went
> to LibreOffice.
>
>
>
>> How might we validate the names of UX community as found on:
>> http://wiki.services.**openoffice.org/wiki/User_**Experience/Community<http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User_Experience/Community>
>> ?
>>
>>
> I would not spent too much time on this and would focus only on the future.
>
> The problem with such pages is that they are always outdated.
>
Agree with Juergen. We can start from the people we have now in the
community, and plan for the future. UX design is very important for an
office product. We need to build design input into our development
activities.
Helen
> Juergen
>
Re: [User Experience] - What is the status of the user experience
project?
Posted by Jürgen Schmidt <jo...@googlemail.com>.
On 5/4/12 6:15 AM, Kevin Grignon wrote:
> Hello All,
>
> Does anyone have an update on the status of the AOO user experience
> project? See http://www.openoffice.org/ux/ for current information.
I think it is stalled and is waiting on reactivation ;-) (that you
already have started)
>
> Are Frank Leohmann and Christoph Noack still involved?
I assume Frank has a new job and isn't active anymore and Christoph went
to LibreOffice.
>
> How might we validate the names of UX community as found on:
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User_Experience/Community?
>
I would not spent too much time on this and would focus only on the future.
The problem with such pages is that they are always outdated.
Juergen