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Posted to user@openmeetings.apache.org by George Kirkham <gk...@co2crc.com.au> on 2012/05/11 09:57:11 UTC
RE: Request for improvement - Square and Ellipse default to no fill colour
Sebastian,
Storing these settings in a cookie would be a nice touch but if it means
extra work, let's make it as easy as possible.
One issue for using cookies is that if you use different PCs then you
have to remember to make the setting again. The Cookie would certainly
help with people who like to use a favourite colour.
For me, simply having the default for fill to be turned off would be
great as I don't use the fill at all. If you were going to use fill,
turning it on and selecting the colour you want should not be that much
of an issue?
Just to ask, do you use the fill colour much? If people do, then having
the cookies would be a great bonus. I guess I never actually create
images on the white board, just draw on an uploaded slides or documents.
Thanks,
George Kirkham
From: seba.wagner@gmail.com [mailto:seba.wagner@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, 11 May 2012 4:59 PM
To: openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Request for improvement - Square and Ellipse default to no
fill colour
Hi George,
I would propose to store settings like: Default fill color, default line
color, default transparency and default line size in the user profile or
cookie data. That way the default settings are just like the ones you
have choosen the last time.
Sebastian
2012/5/11 George Kirkham <gk...@co2crc.com.au>
Hi,
I would like to know your views on having the Square and Ellipse tools
default to "no fill colour".
I find that myself and others want to circle words or images in
presentations, and keep forgetting to turn off the fill colour. Since I
have never bothered to use the fill colour, my suggestion is to have the
fill colour turned off by default, and then people have to enable and
select a colour, to have the Square or Ellipse filled with a colour.
If it is found that there are those who want the fill colour enabled by
default and another group who want it disabled by default, then could
the default be a configuration option, e.g. FillDefault 0 = a default is
no fill colour, 1 = the default is to have a fill colour.
Thanks,
George Kirkham
IT Manager
Cooperative Research Centre For Greenhouse Gas Technologies (CO2CRC)
NFF House, 14 - 16 Brisbane Avenue, Barton, ACT, 2600, Australia
T: (02) 6120 1600 <tel:%2802%29%206120%201600>
F: (02) 6273 7181 <tel:%2802%29%206273%207181>
E: gkirkham@co2crc.com.au,
W: www.co2crc.com.au
From: aplusadmin@aplustutoring.com [mailto:aplusadmin@aplustutoring.com]
On Behalf Of Daniel Ascher
Sent: Friday, 11 May 2012 9:57 AM
To: openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Request for improvement
Is this only in OM 2.0, because I don't see this in the prior version?
Dan
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 7:37 PM, George Kirkham <gk...@co2crc.com.au>
wrote:
Sebastian,
I have noticed that when a person joins a room, any video windows from
other users who are already in the room load up over the top of their
"Choose Devices" Window. This makes it difficult for them to select
settings (until they move all of the video Windows out of the way). It
would be much better if the "Choose Devices" Window could be the top
most (i.e. above/on top the Video Windows).
Users who are not intimately familiar with OpenMeetings get confused
because they don't see the "Choose Devices" dialog.
Thanks,
George Kirkham
IT Manager
Cooperative Research Centre For Greenhouse Gas Technologies (CO2CRC)
NFF House, 14 - 16 Brisbane Avenue, Barton, ACT, 2600, Australia
T: (02) 6120 1600 <tel:%2802%29%206120%201600>
F: (02) 6273 7181 <tel:%2802%29%206273%207181>
E: gkirkham@co2crc.com.au,
W: www.co2crc.com.au
From: George Kirkham [mailto:gkirkham@co2crc.com.au]
Sent: Friday, 11 May 2012 7:31 AM
To: openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
Subject: But if there is anything I can do to further this effort,
please let me know!
Dan, Sergey, Stephen, (and to myself),
Do you have an environment where you can test the stability/reliability
of OpenMeetings. For example where several or more people can use
OpenMeetings and report on any issues, and the try to repeat the same
issue on another day.
A clear, methodical approach to observing, and then identifying how to
repeat issues really help developers. It is even better if you can
match the issue with entries in the log files.
While my OpenMeetings installation has been very good most of the time,
there are instances where some of my "test" users in conference rooms
have become unstable, but so far I have not had the time to be able to
repeat the issue frequently enough to identify why (or to match the
problem occurrences with an entries in the red5/log/*.log). These
issues have not been too serious, closing the browser and logging back
in to the room fixes most, on a few occasions I have had to reboot my
PC. I have also observed more issues when the PC is wirelessly connect
(wireless LAN), which could be related to my Wireless router.
My hope is that if there is enough of us "users of OpenMeetings", we can
identify issues, check with each other to see if the others can also
create the same issue, thus confirm the problem is not just with our own
environment, and be able to report an issue in a way that the developers
can more easily identify and fix. I am sure that they have limited time
to which the can contribute to OpenMeetings so if we can identify
repeatable issues and rule out any personal environmental problems, it
should help in reducing the reporting of problems which are not due to
OpenMeetings itself.
So my request for Dan, Sergey, Stephen and others is, "when I report an
issue or a suggestion, please, when you have time, check my statements
in your own OpenMeetings environements and see if what I say is correct
or a worthwhile suggestion and then report back. Especially if I make a
suggestion for an improvement for something that I would like but it
does not make sense to you, or even better, you see an even more
effective way the improvement can be implemented (e.g. let's do some
brain storming). Sometimes the most simplest of ideas are the greatest.
For example, "one tool that OpenMeetings whiteboad does not currently
have is a highlighter, like the highlighter pens".
Thanks,
George Kirkham
From: aplusadmin@aplustutoring.com [mailto:aplusadmin@aplustutoring.com]
On Behalf Of Daniel Ascher
Sent: Friday, 11 May 2012 2:29 AM
To: openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: exclusive audio in Build #68
I would like to thank everyone who is working so hard on this project. I
am not an engineer so I can't contribute any coding. But if there is
anything I can do to further this effort, please let me know!
Dan Ascher
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 11:59 AM, Alexei Fedotov
<al...@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm really happy seeing new faces (George, Sergey, Stephen) around with
thoughtful and skillful posts - Openmeetings needs you, guys, for a
strong community. The strong community is mandatory for us to leave
incubation and become an full-scale Apache project.
Thank you.
--
Daniel Ascher, M.Ed.
President
A+ Test Prep and Tutoring
"Creating Bright Futures"
505 York Road, Suite 6
Jenkintown, PA 19046
Office: 215.886.9188
Direct: 267.242.9640
www.aplustutoring.com <http://www.aplustutoring.com/>
--
Sebastian Wagner
https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock <https://twitter.com/#%21/dead_lock>
http://www.openmeetings.de <http://www.openmeetings.de>
http://www.webbase-design.de <http://www.webbase-design.de>
http://www.wagner-sebastian.com <http://www.wagner-sebastian.com>
seba.wagner@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>
Moodle intergration
Posted by George Kirkham <gk...@co2crc.com.au>.
Thanks Daniel, I appreciate your comment, and that you are reading the
posting people make and are responding, I hope that other may think
about this and make comment.
I am also interested in Moodle, so I am very interested in anything you
end up doing, and how to set it all up. Just I am very busy right now
working with OpenMeetings itself, I am not quite ready to add another
application to my work load. There was a change that people in my
organisation may use it, but nothing has happened yet. I did hear from
a friend studying in a local university that the really don't like
Moodle or understand how it can be helpful, but then they did explain
that it was not managed very well, the lectures who use it have no
common standard and so every lecturer's pages are inconsistent with each
other and what content is available varies between lecturer, leaving the
students very consfused. I am hoping that the implementation where you
are is much better. Maybe one day we could use OpenMeetings and you
could show me how your University is making use of Moodle?
Thanks,
George Kirkham
IT Manager
Cooperative Research Centre For Greenhouse Gas Technologies (CO2CRC)
NFF House, 14 - 16 Brisbane Avenue, Barton, ACT, 2600, Australia
T: (02) 6120 1600
F: (02) 6273 7181
E: gkirkham@co2crc.com.au,
W: www.co2crc.com.au
From: aplusadmin@aplustutoring.com [mailto:aplusadmin@aplustutoring.com]
On Behalf Of Daniel Ascher
Sent: Saturday, 12 May 2012 5:18 AM
To: openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Request for improvement - Square and Ellipse default to no
fill colour
I think making the default completely transparent makes sense. Then
users can change from there as needed.
Dan
On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 3:57 AM, George Kirkham <gk...@co2crc.com.au>
wrote:
Sebastian,
Storing these settings in a cookie would be a nice touch but if it means
extra work, let's make it as easy as possible.
One issue for using cookies is that if you use different PCs then you
have to remember to make the setting again. The Cookie would certainly
help with people who like to use a favourite colour.
For me, simply having the default for fill to be turned off would be
great as I don't use the fill at all. If you were going to use fill,
turning it on and selecting the colour you want should not be that much
of an issue?
Just to ask, do you use the fill colour much? If people do, then having
the cookies would be a great bonus. I guess I never actually create
images on the white board, just draw on an uploaded slides or documents.
Thanks,
George Kirkham
From: seba.wagner@gmail.com [mailto:seba.wagner@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, 11 May 2012 4:59 PM
To: openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Request for improvement - Square and Ellipse default to no
fill colour
Hi George,
I would propose to store settings like: Default fill color, default line
color, default transparency and default line size in the user profile or
cookie data. That way the default settings are just like the ones you
have choosen the last time.
Sebastian
2012/5/11 George Kirkham <gk...@co2crc.com.au>
Hi,
I would like to know your views on having the Square and Ellipse tools
default to "no fill colour".
I find that myself and others want to circle words or images in
presentations, and keep forgetting to turn off the fill colour. Since I
have never bothered to use the fill colour, my suggestion is to have the
fill colour turned off by default, and then people have to enable and
select a colour, to have the Square or Ellipse filled with a colour.
If it is found that there are those who want the fill colour enabled by
default and another group who want it disabled by default, then could
the default be a configuration option, e.g. FillDefault 0 = a default is
no fill colour, 1 = the default is to have a fill colour.
Thanks,
George Kirkham
IT Manager
Cooperative Research Centre For Greenhouse Gas Technologies (CO2CRC)
NFF House, 14 - 16 Brisbane Avenue, Barton, ACT, 2600, Australia
T: (02) 6120 1600 <tel:%2802%29%206120%201600>
F: (02) 6273 7181 <tel:%2802%29%206273%207181>
E: gkirkham@co2crc.com.au,
W: www.co2crc.com.au
From: aplusadmin@aplustutoring.com [mailto:aplusadmin@aplustutoring.com]
On Behalf Of Daniel Ascher
Sent: Friday, 11 May 2012 9:57 AM
To: openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Request for improvement
Is this only in OM 2.0, because I don't see this in the prior version?
Dan
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 7:37 PM, George Kirkham <gk...@co2crc.com.au>
wrote:
Sebastian,
I have noticed that when a person joins a room, any video windows from
other users who are already in the room load up over the top of their
"Choose Devices" Window. This makes it difficult for them to select
settings (until they move all of the video Windows out of the way). It
would be much better if the "Choose Devices" Window could be the top
most (i.e. above/on top the Video Windows).
Users who are not intimately familiar with OpenMeetings get confused
because they don't see the "Choose Devices" dialog.
Thanks,
George Kirkham
IT Manager
Cooperative Research Centre For Greenhouse Gas Technologies (CO2CRC)
NFF House, 14 - 16 Brisbane Avenue, Barton, ACT, 2600, Australia
T: (02) 6120 1600 <tel:%2802%29%206120%201600>
F: (02) 6273 7181 <tel:%2802%29%206273%207181>
E: gkirkham@co2crc.com.au,
W: www.co2crc.com.au
From: George Kirkham [mailto:gkirkham@co2crc.com.au]
Sent: Friday, 11 May 2012 7:31 AM
To: openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
Subject: But if there is anything I can do to further this effort,
please let me know!
Dan, Sergey, Stephen, (and to myself),
Do you have an environment where you can test the stability/reliability
of OpenMeetings. For example where several or more people can use
OpenMeetings and report on any issues, and the try to repeat the same
issue on another day.
A clear, methodical approach to observing, and then identifying how to
repeat issues really help developers. It is even better if you can
match the issue with entries in the log files.
While my OpenMeetings installation has been very good most of the time,
there are instances where some of my "test" users in conference rooms
have become unstable, but so far I have not had the time to be able to
repeat the issue frequently enough to identify why (or to match the
problem occurrences with an entries in the red5/log/*.log). These
issues have not been too serious, closing the browser and logging back
in to the room fixes most, on a few occasions I have had to reboot my
PC. I have also observed more issues when the PC is wirelessly connect
(wireless LAN), which could be related to my Wireless router.
My hope is that if there is enough of us "users of OpenMeetings", we can
identify issues, check with each other to see if the others can also
create the same issue, thus confirm the problem is not just with our own
environment, and be able to report an issue in a way that the developers
can more easily identify and fix. I am sure that they have limited time
to which the can contribute to OpenMeetings so if we can identify
repeatable issues and rule out any personal environmental problems, it
should help in reducing the reporting of problems which are not due to
OpenMeetings itself.
So my request for Dan, Sergey, Stephen and others is, "when I report an
issue or a suggestion, please, when you have time, check my statements
in your own OpenMeetings environements and see if what I say is correct
or a worthwhile suggestion and then report back. Especially if I make a
suggestion for an improvement for something that I would like but it
does not make sense to you, or even better, you see an even more
effective way the improvement can be implemented (e.g. let's do some
brain storming). Sometimes the most simplest of ideas are the greatest.
For example, "one tool that OpenMeetings whiteboad does not currently
have is a highlighter, like the highlighter pens".
Thanks,
George Kirkham
From: aplusadmin@aplustutoring.com [mailto:aplusadmin@aplustutoring.com]
On Behalf Of Daniel Ascher
Sent: Friday, 11 May 2012 2:29 AM
To: openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: exclusive audio in Build #68
I would like to thank everyone who is working so hard on this project. I
am not an engineer so I can't contribute any coding. But if there is
anything I can do to further this effort, please let me know!
Dan Ascher
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 11:59 AM, Alexei Fedotov
<al...@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm really happy seeing new faces (George, Sergey, Stephen) around with
thoughtful and skillful posts - Openmeetings needs you, guys, for a
strong community. The strong community is mandatory for us to leave
incubation and become an full-scale Apache project.
Thank you.
--
Daniel Ascher, M.Ed.
President
A+ Test Prep and Tutoring
"Creating Bright Futures"
505 York Road, Suite 6
Jenkintown, PA 19046
Office: 215.886.9188
Direct: 267.242.9640
www.aplustutoring.com <http://www.aplustutoring.com/>
--
Sebastian Wagner
https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock <https://twitter.com/#%21/dead_lock>
http://www.openmeetings.de <http://www.openmeetings.de>
http://www.webbase-design.de <http://www.webbase-design.de>
http://www.wagner-sebastian.com <http://www.wagner-sebastian.com>
seba.wagner@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>
--
Daniel Ascher, M.Ed.
President
A+ Test Prep and Tutoring
"Creating Bright Futures"
505 York Road, Suite 6
Jenkintown, PA 19046
Office: 215.886.9188
Direct: 267.242.9640
www.aplustutoring.com <http://www.aplustutoring.com/>
Re: Request for improvement - Square and Ellipse default to no fill colour
Posted by Daniel Ascher <da...@aplustutoring.com>.
I think making the default completely transparent makes sense. Then users
can change from there as needed.
Dan
On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 3:57 AM, George Kirkham <gk...@co2crc.com.au>wrote:
> Sebastian,****
>
> ** **
>
> Storing these settings in a cookie would be a nice touch but if it means
> extra work, let’s make it as easy as possible. ****
>
> ** **
>
> One issue for using cookies is that if you use different PCs then you have
> to remember to make the setting again. The Cookie would certainly help with
> people who like to use a favourite colour.****
>
> ** **
>
> For me, simply having the default for fill to be turned off would be great
> as I don’t use the fill at all. If you were going to use fill, turning it
> on and selecting the colour you want should not be that much of an issue?*
> ***
>
> ** **
>
> Just to ask, do you use the fill colour much? If people do, then having
> the cookies would be a great bonus. I guess I never actually create images
> on the white board, just draw on an uploaded slides or documents. ****
>
> ** **
>
> Thanks,****
>
> ** **
>
> George Kirkham****
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* seba.wagner@gmail.com [mailto:seba.wagner@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, 11 May 2012 4:59 PM
> *To:* openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* Re: Request for improvement - Square and Ellipse default to no
> fill colour****
>
> ** **
>
> Hi George,
>
> I would propose to store settings like: Default fill color, default line
> color, default transparency and default line size in the user profile or
> cookie data. That way the default settings are just like the ones you have
> choosen the last time.
>
> Sebastian****
>
> 2012/5/11 George Kirkham <gk...@co2crc.com.au>****
>
> Hi,****
>
> ****
>
> I would like to know your views on having the Square and Ellipse tools
> default to “no fill colour”.****
>
> ****
>
> I find that myself and others want to circle words or images in
> presentations, and keep forgetting to turn off the fill colour. Since I
> have never bothered to use the fill colour, my suggestion is to have the
> fill colour turned off by default, and then people have to enable and
> select a colour, to have the Square or Ellipse filled with a colour.****
>
> ****
>
> If it is found that there are those who want the fill colour enabled by
> default and another group who want it disabled by default, then could the
> default be a configuration option, e.g. FillDefault 0 = a default is no
> fill colour, 1 = the default is to have a fill colour.****
>
> ****
>
> Thanks,****
>
> ****
>
> George Kirkham****
>
> ****
>
> IT Manager****
>
> Cooperative Research Centre For Greenhouse Gas Technologies (CO2CRC) ****
>
> NFF House, 14 - 16 Brisbane Avenue, Barton, ACT, 2600, Australia****
>
> T: (02) 6120 1600****
>
> F: (02) 6273 7181****
>
> E: gkirkham@co2crc.com.au, ****
>
> W: www.co2crc.com.au****
>
> ****
>
> ****
>
> *From:* aplusadmin@aplustutoring.com [mailto:aplusadmin@aplustutoring.com]
> *On Behalf Of *Daniel Ascher
> *Sent:* Friday, 11 May 2012 9:57 AM
> *To:* openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* Re: Request for improvement****
>
> ****
>
> Is this only in OM 2.0, because I don't see this in the prior version?
>
> Dan****
>
> On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 7:37 PM, George Kirkham <gk...@co2crc.com.au>
> wrote:****
>
> Sebastian,****
>
> ****
>
> I have noticed that when a person joins a room, any video windows from
> other users who are already in the room load up over the top of their
> “Choose Devices” Window. This makes it difficult for them to select
> settings (until they move all of the video Windows out of the way). It
> would be much better if the “Choose Devices” Window could be the top most
> (i.e. above/on top the Video Windows).****
>
> ****
>
> Users who are not intimately familiar with OpenMeetings get confused
> because they don’t see the “Choose Devices” dialog.****
>
> ****
>
> Thanks,****
>
> ****
>
> George Kirkham****
>
> ****
>
> IT Manager****
>
> Cooperative Research Centre For Greenhouse Gas Technologies (CO2CRC) ****
>
> NFF House, 14 - 16 Brisbane Avenue, Barton, ACT, 2600, Australia****
>
> T: (02) 6120 1600****
>
> F: (02) 6273 7181****
>
> E: gkirkham@co2crc.com.au, ****
>
> W: www.co2crc.com.au****
>
> ****
>
> ****
>
> *From:* George Kirkham [mailto:gkirkham@co2crc.com.au]
> *Sent:* Friday, 11 May 2012 7:31 AM
> *To:* openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* But if there is anything I can do to further this effort,
> please let me know!****
>
> ****
>
> Dan, Sergey, Stephen, (and to myself),****
>
> ****
>
> Do you have an environment where you can test the stability/reliability of
> OpenMeetings. For example where several or more people can use
> OpenMeetings and report on any issues, and the try to repeat the same issue
> on another day.****
>
> ****
>
> A clear, methodical approach to observing, and then identifying how to
> repeat issues really help developers. It is even better if you can match
> the issue with entries in the log files.****
>
> ****
>
> While my OpenMeetings installation has been very good most of the time,
> there are instances where some of my “test” users in conference rooms have
> become unstable, but so far I have not had the time to be able to repeat
> the issue frequently enough to identify why (or to match the problem
> occurrences with an entries in the red5/log/*.log). These issues have not
> been too serious, closing the browser and logging back in to the room fixes
> most, on a few occasions I have had to reboot my PC. I have also observed
> more issues when the PC is wirelessly connect (wireless LAN), which could
> be related to my Wireless router.****
>
> ****
>
> My hope is that if there is enough of us “users of OpenMeetings”, we can
> identify issues, check with each other to see if the others can also create
> the same issue, thus confirm the problem is not just with our own
> environment, and be able to report an issue in a way that the developers
> can more easily identify and fix. I am sure that they have limited time to
> which the can contribute to OpenMeetings so if we can identify repeatable
> issues and rule out any personal environmental problems, it should help in
> reducing the reporting of problems which are not due to OpenMeetings itself.
> ****
>
> ****
>
> So my request for Dan, Sergey, Stephen and others is, “when I report an
> issue or a suggestion, please, when you have time, check my statements in
> your own OpenMeetings environements and see if what I say is correct or a
> worthwhile suggestion and then report back. Especially if I make a
> suggestion for an improvement for something that I would like but it does
> not make sense to you, or even better, you see an even more effective way
> the improvement can be implemented (e.g. let’s do some brain storming).
> Sometimes the most simplest of ideas are the greatest. For example, “one
> tool that OpenMeetings whiteboad does not currently have is a highlighter,
> like the highlighter pens”. ****
>
> ****
>
> ****
>
> Thanks,****
>
> ****
>
> George Kirkham****
>
> ****
>
> ****
>
> ****
>
> *From:* aplusadmin@aplustutoring.com [mailto:aplusadmin@aplustutoring.com<ap...@aplustutoring.com>]
> *On Behalf Of *Daniel Ascher
> *Sent:* Friday, 11 May 2012 2:29 AM
> *To:* openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* Re: exclusive audio in Build #68****
>
> ****
>
> I would like to thank everyone who is working so hard on this project. I
> am not an engineer so I can't contribute any coding. But if there is
> anything I can do to further this effort, please let me know!
>
> Dan Ascher****
>
> On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 11:59 AM, Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
> wrote:****
>
> I'm really happy seeing new faces (George, Sergey, Stephen) around
> with thoughtful and skillful posts - Openmeetings needs you, guys, for a
> strong community. The strong community is mandatory for us to leave
> incubation and become an full-scale Apache project.****
>
> ****
>
> Thank you.****
>
>
>
>
> --
> Daniel Ascher, M.Ed.
> President
> A+ Test Prep and Tutoring
> "Creating Bright Futures"
>
> 505 York Road, Suite 6
> Jenkintown, PA 19046
> Office: 215.886.9188
> Direct: 267.242.9640
> www.aplustutoring.com****
>
>
>
>
> --
> Sebastian Wagner
> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> http://www.openmeetings.de
> http://www.webbase-design.de
> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> seba.wagner@gmail.com****
>
--
Daniel Ascher, M.Ed.
President
A+ Test Prep and Tutoring
"Creating Bright Futures"
505 York Road, Suite 6
Jenkintown, PA 19046
Office: 215.886.9188
Direct: 267.242.9640
www.aplustutoring.com