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Use Ivy to download from Maven?
Does anyone have some free cycles to look into using Ivy to handle
dependency download management?
http://ivy.jayasoft.org/
It looks like a much better solution than the quicky Grabber Ant task,
even if it means having some kind of external files defining the
dependencies (not necessarily a bad thing, since a dependencies
report, ala Maven, could be generated).
--
Howard M. Lewis Ship
Independent J2EE / Open-Source Java Consultant
Creator, Jakarta Tapestry
Creator, Jakarta HiveMind
Professional Tapestry training, mentoring, support
and project work. http://howardlewisship.com
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Re: Use Ivy to download from Maven?
Posted by Massimo Lusetti <ml...@gmail.com>.
On 5/9/05, Howard Lewis Ship <hl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I've "touched" Maven a couple of times (for other projects) since I
> "broke" with it ... and it hasn't improved. Maybe Maven2 will be
> indespensible, but Maven1 gets in the way.
I don't think you are serious about maven2, but we will see :)
I'm producing (right now) a template project based on Tapestry (and
soon on HiveMind) which build on top of maven, thanks also to equinox
which gives me a lot of idea on how things should be done.
Thanks again for these great products
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Massimo
http://meridio.blogspot.com
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Re: Use Ivy to download from Maven?
Posted by Howard Lewis Ship <hl...@gmail.com>.
I've "touched" Maven a couple of times (for other projects) since I
"broke" with it ... and it hasn't improved. Maybe Maven2 will be
indespensible, but Maven1 gets in the way.
On 5/9/05, Knut Wannheden <kn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 5/8/05, Massimo Lusetti <ml...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 5/8/05, Howard Lewis Ship <hl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Does anyone have some free cycles to look into using Ivy to handle
> > > dependency download management?
> > >
> > > http://ivy.jayasoft.org/
> > >
> > > It looks like a much better solution than the quicky Grabber Ant task,
> > > even if it means having some kind of external files defining the
> > > dependencies (not necessarily a bad thing, since a dependencies
> > > report, ala Maven, could be generated).
> >
> > Didn't mean to provoke anyone or start a flame, but have you looked
> > again at maven after your not so successfully previous experience.
> > You can still use forrest to build the site/doc without to many problems
> > Some years has passed by and maybe some things are changed ?
> >
> > I understand that changing a build system is a big changes in a
> > project life, just wish to know what do you think about that...
> >
>
> IMHO I'd rather see us staying with Ant due to the following reasons:
>
> - our current Ant build setup does all we need and does it very well
> - many of us are already quite experienced Ant users and are probably
> more intimidated by Maven
> - we have some HiveMind specifics in our build process (e.g.
> generating HiveDoc) which I don't know how much work it would be to
> get working with Maven
> - we develop HiveMind in Eclipse which is very well integrated with Ant
>
> I also think that incorporating Ivy into our build process would be a
> much more natural fit. It would allow us to:
>
> - externalize the dependencies into separate files
> - simplify our build process as it wouldn't have to start by building
> and running our custom <grabber> task to retrieve dependencies from
> Ibiblio
>
> Last I looked at Maven (it is quite a while ago...) I had a difficult
> time getting it to work with projects which were divided into
> subprojects; which is the case with HiveMind. All in all I was left
> with a bad taste in my mouth. Yet I think it will be interesting to
> see how Maven2 shapes up.
>
> Regards,
>
> --knut
>
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Creator, Jakarta Tapestry
Creator, Jakarta HiveMind
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Re: Use Ivy to download from Maven?
Posted by Knut Wannheden <kn...@gmail.com>.
On 5/8/05, Massimo Lusetti <ml...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 5/8/05, Howard Lewis Ship <hl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Does anyone have some free cycles to look into using Ivy to handle
> > dependency download management?
> >
> > http://ivy.jayasoft.org/
> >
> > It looks like a much better solution than the quicky Grabber Ant task,
> > even if it means having some kind of external files defining the
> > dependencies (not necessarily a bad thing, since a dependencies
> > report, ala Maven, could be generated).
>
> Didn't mean to provoke anyone or start a flame, but have you looked
> again at maven after your not so successfully previous experience.
> You can still use forrest to build the site/doc without to many problems
> Some years has passed by and maybe some things are changed ?
>
> I understand that changing a build system is a big changes in a
> project life, just wish to know what do you think about that...
>
IMHO I'd rather see us staying with Ant due to the following reasons:
- our current Ant build setup does all we need and does it very well
- many of us are already quite experienced Ant users and are probably
more intimidated by Maven
- we have some HiveMind specifics in our build process (e.g.
generating HiveDoc) which I don't know how much work it would be to
get working with Maven
- we develop HiveMind in Eclipse which is very well integrated with Ant
I also think that incorporating Ivy into our build process would be a
much more natural fit. It would allow us to:
- externalize the dependencies into separate files
- simplify our build process as it wouldn't have to start by building
and running our custom <grabber> task to retrieve dependencies from
Ibiblio
Last I looked at Maven (it is quite a while ago...) I had a difficult
time getting it to work with projects which were divided into
subprojects; which is the case with HiveMind. All in all I was left
with a bad taste in my mouth. Yet I think it will be interesting to
see how Maven2 shapes up.
Regards,
--knut
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Re: Use Ivy to download from Maven?
Posted by Massimo Lusetti <ml...@gmail.com>.
On 5/8/05, Howard Lewis Ship <hl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Does anyone have some free cycles to look into using Ivy to handle
> dependency download management?
>
> http://ivy.jayasoft.org/
>
> It looks like a much better solution than the quicky Grabber Ant task,
> even if it means having some kind of external files defining the
> dependencies (not necessarily a bad thing, since a dependencies
> report, ala Maven, could be generated).
Didn't mean to provoke anyone or start a flame, but have you looked
again at maven after your not so successfully previous experience.
You can still use forrest to build the site/doc without to many problems
Some years has passed by and maybe some things are changed ?
I understand that changing a build system is a big changes in a
project life, just wish to know what do you think about that...
Regards
--
Massimo
http://meridio.blogspot.com
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