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Posted to users@tomcat.apache.org by Joel Regen <jo...@Globeset.com> on 2000/06/22 19:24:24 UTC
tomcat is a piece of shit
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"In the large scheme of things, everything is meaningless except your
relationship with God and with other humans."
anonymous
Re: Dynamo 3 by ATG - [was - RE: tomcat is a piece of sh!t]
Posted by Mason Jones <ma...@clipshow.com>.
At 11:23 AM 6/22/00 -0700, Doug Pedley wrote:
>
>Second, has anyone tried Dynamo 4.x by ATG?
>www.atg.com
>comparisons to tomcat? (Other than price.)
We ran Dynamo at my last company, and I was actually
pretty impressed with it. There were a few shortcomings and
the configuration in many cases seemed needlessly complex,
but it ran well and had a great deal of flexibility (including a
very well-defined request pipeline which was easily customizable).
It is indeed too expensive for most small companies (which is
why I'm investigating Tomcat now!).
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Director of Software Development
ClipShow, Inc. www.clipshow.com
(650) 696-3164 fax (650) 696-3267
Re: tomcat is a piece of shit
Posted by James House <ja...@partnet.com>.
My experience with ServletExec is very negative. It's performance
is terrible (especially when using the debugger) and it's very
quirky. Also it's setup/administration is not very pretty.
(Tomcats files are simpler to deal with IMO)
James
>Try <http://www.unify.com/products/ewave/servletexec.htm>Unify's eWave
>ServletExec 3.0 (bought recently with New Atlanta). Latest version is
>pretty solid and dev license is free. They also have a totally free
>Servlet Debugger based on ServletExec engine. Also I heard positive
>comment about <http://www.enhydra.org/software/enhydra/index.html>Enhydra
>though didn't try it. It'll be interesting to hear about experience with
>these...
>
>Sven van 't Veer wrote:
>> > I'm REALLY interested in a fairly solid JSP container.
>> > Please tell me. Where should I be investing my (and my customer's)
>> efforts?
>> >
>>Hear Hear.
>>
>>I read somewhere that jBoss is going to be integrated too. (or was it
>>the other way around).
>>
>>Sven
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Re: tomcat is a piece of shit
Posted by Alec Bau <Al...@msdw.com>.
Try Unify's eWave ServletExec 3.0 (bought recently with New Atlanta). Latest
version is pretty solid and dev license is free. They also have a totally free
Servlet Debugger based on ServletExec engine. Also I heard positive comment about
Enhydra though didn't try it. It'll be interesting to hear about experience with
these...
Sven van 't Veer wrote:
> > I'm REALLY interested in a fairly solid JSP container.
> > Please tell me. Where should I be investing my (and my customer's) efforts?
> >
> Hear Hear.
>
> I read somewhere that jBoss is going to be integrated too. (or was it
> the other way around).
>
> Sven
>
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Re: tomcat is a piece of shit
Posted by Sven van 't Veer <sv...@vip.br>.
> I'm REALLY interested in a fairly solid JSP container.
> Please tell me. Where should I be investing my (and my customer's) efforts?
>
Hear Hear.
I read somewhere that jBoss is going to be integrated too. (or was it
the other way around).
Sven
Re: tomcat is a piece of shit
Posted by Kim Wallace <ki...@vax.area.com>.
On Thu, Jun 22, 2000 at 01:20:18PM -0500, Joel Regen wrote:
>
>
> Rick Roberts wrote:
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> > Maybe. But what's the alternative?
>
> gnujsp.
> But it doesn't support taglib (it only supports JSP 1.0).
But is anyone maintaining gnujsp? Looking at the website at
http://www.klomp.org/gnujsp/ it seems like there's been no work on it
since mid-1999. Is this simply an out-of-date mirror site?
Thanks (and sorry off-topic),
Kim
Re: tomcat is a piece of shit
Posted by Joel Regen <jo...@Globeset.com>.
Rick Roberts wrote:
> Maybe. But what's the alternative?
gnujsp.
But it doesn't support taglib (it only supports JSP 1.0).
Re: tomcat is a piece of shit
Posted by Rick Roberts <Ri...@va.prestige.net>.
Maybe. But what's the alternative?
Straight Servlets? (way to many "out.println" statements)
ASP? (ha, ha)
Server Side Java Script (been there, done that. Netscape don't give-a-shit
about maintaining their stuff. You can shackle yourself to NS if you like,
but I've already learned my lesson)
WebLogic ( big money! and they got problems too. )
WebSphere ( ??? hummmm, don't know about this one, any comments? )
JRun? Resin? Haven't done those yet. Anybody?
I gotta tell ya. Compared to Netscape's built in JSP (which really is a
piece of shit) Tomcat is a jewel.
I'm REALLY interested in a fairly solid JSP container.
Please tell me. Where should I be investing my (and my customer's) efforts?
Thanks,
Rick
Joel Regen wrote:
> --
> "In the large scheme of things, everything is meaningless except your
> relationship with God and with other humans."
> anonymous
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Re: CONTENT / PRESENTATION
Posted by "K.C. Jones" <kj...@phoenix-pop.com>.
> What are the techniques using JSPs and servlets?
Check out Cocoon at http://xml.apache.org/cocoon/guide.html
Re: CONTENT / PRESENTATION
Posted by Eduardo Pelegri--Llopart <Ed...@eng.sun.com>.
This is a common and wide question and there have been many threads in
JSP-interest on this. I saw the references to turbine and cocoon but I
do not know if the additional pointers listed below were given too. If
not...
* You may want to check the struts project @ jakarta. Explicit
separation, following the "model 2" approach, is their goal.
* Danny and I outlined a number of ways of combining JSPs, Servlets, and
XML in the "web layer" at our presentation at JavaOne. Slides are at
http://jsp.java.sun.com/javaone/javaone2000/event.jsp?eventId=1545&trackId=3&eventType=TS&ts=962645027451
You may have to remove the line breaks introduced by the mailer. The
actual presentations had some discussion of the benefits of each
approach, but they are not captured in the slides. You could get the
tapes [[for some reason, although this presentation was in the top-3, it
was not listed in the webcasts; I guess because we are not photogenic
enough :-)]]. We are also writing a white paper that provides some more
specific advice for some given situations, but I don't have a specific
date right now.
* In a specific case I was recently looking at, the data to present
included some XML streams (their source was not important - they were a
given). There were two clients: an HTML browser client, and a WAP
client. The approach we discussed was based on the experience of the
java.sun.com/JavaOne team, with a few extensions.
-- Two set of JSP pages, one for the browser client, another for the WAP
client.
-- These two sets of pages share the same set of abstractions, either
JavaBeans or custom actions in a tag library.
-- The abstractions used by these pages can process XML data coming from
some XML sources.
We are likely to do something to help these abstractions in the taglibs
project (@ jakarta).
Hope this helps some.
- eduard/o
Martin Robinson wrote:
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> I believe this is the purpose behind turbine and template languages such as
> webmacro.
> have a look at these. It certainly beats 're-inventing the wheel'
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robert Balahura" <rj...@sciborg.uwaterloo.ca>
> To: <to...@jakarta.apache.org>
> Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2000 8:10 PM
> Subject: CONTENT / PRESENTATION
>
> > > Hi could anyone share their strategies for separating content from
> > > presentation ie. so a separate content provider can easily provide
> content
> > > like XML files and presentation designers can easily focus on
> presentation
> > > like HTML files. What are the techniques using JSPs and servlets?
> >
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Re: CONTENT / PRESENTATION
Posted by Martin Robinson <ma...@robin.clara.net>.
I believe this is the purpose behind turbine and template languages such as
webmacro.
have a look at these. It certainly beats 're-inventing the wheel'
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Balahura" <rj...@sciborg.uwaterloo.ca>
To: <to...@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2000 8:10 PM
Subject: CONTENT / PRESENTATION
> > Hi could anyone share their strategies for separating content from
> > presentation ie. so a separate content provider can easily provide
content
> > like XML files and presentation designers can easily focus on
presentation
> > like HTML files. What are the techniques using JSPs and servlets?
>
>
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CONTENT / PRESENTATION
Posted by Robert Balahura <rj...@sciborg.uwaterloo.ca>.
> Hi could anyone share their strategies for separating content from
> presentation ie. so a separate content provider can easily provide content
> like XML files and presentation designers can easily focus on presentation
> like HTML files. What are the techniques using JSPs and servlets?
Re: tomcat is a piece of shit
Posted by Mike Christiansen <mi...@riverbendsystems.com>.
For servlet / JSPs, JRun is very good and is not nearly as expensive as
WebLogic. When you need full J2EE, Weblogic may have its problems, but works
well enough.
Joel Regen wrote:
> --
> "In the large scheme of things, everything is meaningless except your
> relationship with God and with other humans."
> anonymous
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Re: Dynamo 3 by ATG - [was - RE: tomcat is a piece of sh!t]
Posted by Rick Roberts <Ri...@va.prestige.net>.
Joel Regen wrote:
> Doug Pedley wrote:
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> >> First someone kick this jerk off the list.
>
> >first: I'm not a jerk. Nobody is a jerk.
If you say so. But, I think I know one or two. ;-)
Re: Dynamo 3 by ATG - [was - RE: tomcat is a piece of sh!t]
Posted by Joel Regen <jo...@Globeset.com>.
Doug Pedley wrote:
> First someone kick this jerk off the list.
first: I'm not a jerk. Nobody is a jerk.
second: you should try to be a bit more forgiving.
third: I'm just trying to get one simple question answered: How do get
logging to work with Tomcat?
It is hard to debug problems without at least the abililty to place
strategic log messages in your code.
I've spent the better part of a week getting Tomcat installed and
configured to work with my existing servlet base on jserv and now to get
to this situation is extremely frustrating. Something as simple as
logging should be common knowledge by now in the more experienced user
circles. yes?
>
> Second, has anyone tried Dynamo 4.x by ATG?
> www.atg.com
> comparisons to tomcat? (Other than price.)
Dynamo is cool for an app server. Don't know about its jsp capabilities
but they have some kind of "droplet" thingy that looks like jsp sort
of....
Re: Dynamo 3 by ATG
Posted by Jon Baer <jo...@digitalanywhere.com>.
Doug Pedley wrote:
> Second, has anyone tried Dynamo 4.x by ATG?
> www.atg.com
> comparisons to tomcat? (Other than price.)
Ive enjoyed programming on the Dynamo Platform. In fact (I dont know if
there is any truth to this but I heard) that the .jhtml architecture
*was* actually JSP and ATG licensed it to Sun? I dont know if that is
true, but in the end the Droplets are basically tag handlers that are
very well built and designed and came way before Tomcat if that is
right.
Their Personalization Server is a very cool tool, and I dont understand
why their isn't solutions in the current JSP 1.1 TC implementation to
take advantage of stuff like that.
The only problem with alot of platforms is the confusion between
"components" and "beans" when they are the same thing so alot of app
servers have steep learning curves I find.
- Jon
Dynamo 3 by ATG - [was - RE: tomcat is a piece of sh!t]
Posted by Doug Pedley <dp...@lookupguide.com>.
First someone kick this jerk off the list.
Second, has anyone tried Dynamo 4.x by ATG?
www.atg.com
comparisons to tomcat? (Other than price.)
From: Joel Regen [mailto:joel@Globeset.com]
> Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2000 10:24 AM
> To: tomcat
> Subject: tomcat is a piece of shit
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