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Posted to dev@asterixdb.apache.org by Till Westmann <ti...@apache.org> on 2016/03/16 00:34:15 UTC
[DISCUSS] Graduation from the incubator
Hi,
AsterixDB started incubating a little more than a year ago (2015-02-28).
Since then we have shipped 2 incubating Apache releases for AsterixDB
and Hyracks:
- Apache AsterixDB 0.8.7-incubating (2015-10-22) and Hyracks
0.2.16-incubating (2015-09-22)
- Apache AsterixDB 0.8.8-incubating (2016-02-26) and Hyracks
0.2.17-incubating (2016-02-26)
The 0.8.7 release provided licensing information for the source
artifacts, and the 0.8.8 release provided licensing information for both
source and binary artifacts. While the LICENSE and NOTICE files for all
artifacts are not yet perfect [1][2], we have improved our understanding
significantly and we were able to check the last open item (Verify
distribution rights) on the incubation status page [3] off with the
0.8.8 release.
The AsterixDB community today is open and very active and distributed
over several continents. Individual merit is honored in discussions, but
discussions are never exclusive or hostile. Also, the AsterixDB
community has grown, and Chris Hillery (2015-10-20) and Heri Ramampiaro
(2016-01-16) have both been added as committers since incubation began.
It seems to me that the AsterixDB community is in pretty good shape and
would be able to sustain and govern itself as a TLP.
Thoughts? Concerns?
Thanks,
Till
[1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ASTERIXDB-1319
[2] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ASTERIXDB-1320
[3] http://incubator.apache.org/projects/asterixdb.html
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation from the incubator
Posted by Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu>.
On Mar 16, 2016 02:06, "Ted Dunning" <te...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 4:37 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) <
> chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>
> > +1, TLP time. Glad you beat me to starting the thread.
> >
>
>
> +1 from me too.
Also +1 from me.
Ate
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation from the incubator
Posted by Ted Dunning <te...@gmail.com>.
On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 4:37 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) <
chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> +1, TLP time. Glad you beat me to starting the thread.
>
+1 from me too.
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation from the incubator
Posted by "Mattmann, Chris A (3980)" <ch...@jpl.nasa.gov>.
+1, TLP time. Glad you beat me to starting the thread.
Things to decide on:
1. VP, chair <=== eyes and ears of the board.
TLP resolution:
1. Include all PPMC? (my suggestion, yes)
2. Draft of TLP resolution
Process works like this:
1. Discuss the above on this thread
2. VOTE (community) here on asterixdb.i.a.o, leave open for at least
72 hours.
3. VOTE (incubator) on general@i.a.o, leave open for at least 72 hours
If 3 is successful then paste into the board meeting template for the
April 2016 meeting and fingers crossed there :)
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
Chief Architect
Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Director, Information Retrieval and Data Science Group (IRDS)
Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
WWW: http://irds.usc.edu/
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
-----Original Message-----
From: Till Westmann <ti...@apache.org>
Reply-To: "dev@asterixdb.incubator.apache.org"
<de...@asterixdb.incubator.apache.org>
Date: Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 4:34 PM
To: "dev@asterixdb.incubator.apache.org"
<de...@asterixdb.incubator.apache.org>
Subject: [DISCUSS] Graduation from the incubator
>Hi,
>
>AsterixDB started incubating a little more than a year ago (2015-02-28).
>Since then we have shipped 2 incubating Apache releases for AsterixDB
>and Hyracks:
>
>- Apache AsterixDB 0.8.7-incubating (2015-10-22) and Hyracks
>0.2.16-incubating (2015-09-22)
>- Apache AsterixDB 0.8.8-incubating (2016-02-26) and Hyracks
>0.2.17-incubating (2016-02-26)
>
>The 0.8.7 release provided licensing information for the source
>artifacts, and the 0.8.8 release provided licensing information for both
>source and binary artifacts. While the LICENSE and NOTICE files for all
>artifacts are not yet perfect [1][2], we have improved our understanding
>significantly and we were able to check the last open item (Verify
>distribution rights) on the incubation status page [3] off with the
>0.8.8 release.
>
>The AsterixDB community today is open and very active and distributed
>over several continents. Individual merit is honored in discussions, but
>discussions are never exclusive or hostile. Also, the AsterixDB
>community has grown, and Chris Hillery (2015-10-20) and Heri Ramampiaro
>(2016-01-16) have both been added as committers since incubation began.
>
>It seems to me that the AsterixDB community is in pretty good shape and
>would be able to sustain and govern itself as a TLP.
>
>Thoughts? Concerns?
>
>Thanks,
>Till
>
>[1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ASTERIXDB-1319
>[2] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ASTERIXDB-1320
>[3] http://incubator.apache.org/projects/asterixdb.html
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation from the incubator
Posted by abdullah alamoudi <ba...@gmail.com>.
+1
~Abdullah.
On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 12:49 AM, Yingyi Bu <bu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> +1.
>
> >> 1. VP, chair <=== eyes and ears of the board.
> I'd like to nominate Till Westmann as the VP & PMC chair, since he has
> already been performing some of the chair duties as described in [1].
>
> >> TLP resolution:
> >> 1. Include all PPMC? (my suggestion, yes)
> I guess we could ask existing PPMC who haven't contributed to the project
> during the past year to see if they're still interested in being a PMC.
>
> >> 2. Draft of TLP resolution
> The Kafka TLP resolution proposal [2] could be a good template for us.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Best,
> Yingyi
>
> [1] http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#chair
> [2]
>
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201211.mbox/%3CCACO5Y4xVziOzxB-bQCqO+tSgTJuGv+xBeYd-Lxu1LhiSyLo+_Q@mail.gmail.com%3E
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 7:42 AM, Sandeep Joshi <sa...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Mike,
> >
> > I asked because I wanted to ascertain how quickly a newcomer outside the
> > UCI circle can come up to speed with the vast asterixdb code-base.
> >
> > I don't want to hijack this thread so maybe we can start another thread.
> > I am interested in knowing how one could gain proficiency in
> participating
> > in asterixdb development. What design patterns should one keep in
> mind,
> > what hasn't worked historically, what sequence of tasks can one take on
> to
> > learn about various parts of the system, etc.
> >
> > -Sandeep
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 7:36 PM, Mike Carey <dt...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > And I would guess there are at least 5 individuals with 10+ years of
> > > industrial experience (apiece) on the current team, if that's one of
> the
> > > reasons for the inquiry, with a handful more probably in the 2-5-ish
> > years
> > > range. :-)
> > >
> > > On 3/15/16 9:32 PM, Till Westmann wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hi Sandeep,
> > >>
> > >> On 15 Mar 2016, at 19:13, Sandeep Joshi wrote:
> > >>
> > >> I am curious to know how many committers are from outside the academic
> > >>> circle (i.e. those who have not worked in the past on Asterixdb at UC
> > >>> Irvine or other academic institutions ) ?
> > >>>
> > >> I think that the current number committers without academic UC
> heritage
> > >> is 3 (it’s an educated guess as I don’t know the CVs of the
> committers).
> > >> Actually, a nice number for a project that was a university project 12
> > >> months ago.
> > >>
> > >> Cheers,
> > >> Till
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation from the incubator
Posted by Ian Maxon <im...@uci.edu>.
It seems like it is time for us to graduate to me as well, so +1 here. I
also think Till would be great as VP & PMC chair, for the reasons Yingyi
described.
On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 2:20 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) <
chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> Till, based on the below I trust you are headed in the right direction
> with this and I leave it up to you and the community to figure out
> the resolution. I think like you said, PMC consisting of some inactive
> people doesn’t hurt anything and recognizes their prior contribution,
> however AsterixDB seems like a very welcoming community so if those folks
> e.g., weren’t put on the board resolution PMC, but came back later, I would
> expect that you would likely welcome them back with open arms and elect
> them to the PMC.
>
> If that’s the case (and I bet it is), I’m fine with proceeding forward.
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
> Chief Architect
> Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
> Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Director, Information Retrieval and Data Science Group (IRDS)
> Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
> WWW: http://irds.usc.edu/
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Till Westmann <ti...@apache.org>
> Reply-To: "dev@asterixdb.incubator.apache.org"
> <de...@asterixdb.incubator.apache.org>
> Date: Friday, March 18, 2016 at 2:17 PM
> To: "dev@asterixdb.incubator.apache.org"
> <de...@asterixdb.incubator.apache.org>
> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation from the incubator
>
> >Hi Chris,
> >
> >1) I’m confident that everybody would very much appreciate if you
> >and Henry and Ted and Ate and Jochen stayed on board and on the PMC!
> >
> >2) The reason for the question is (at least in my mind, not sure
> >if everybody else reads it the same way) that we currently have 25
> >Committers/PPMC members, which seems to be a relatively big number.
> >Most of them came in as they contributed actively before we joined
> >the incubator. And we clearly wanted everybody who had contributed
> >to the project to be able to continue to do so and to go through
> >incubation with the project.
> >But a few haven’t interacted with the project during the incubation
> >period at all (life happened :) ). There is no intent to penalize
> >anybody (and I would expect everybody to keep their merit and their
> >commit bit). But does it make sense to add everybody to the PMC
> >and make them responsible for the governance of the project - even
> >if their life has moved on? Or is graduation a point in time at
> >which everybody should re-evaluate their level of participation?
> >It’s not really an important decision, as non-participating PMC
> >members probably don’t cause any damage, but listing people in the
> >board resolution that might never participate again also didn’t
> >seem right.
> >Does this make sense? Do other projects have a similar situation
> >at graduation? If so, what has worked for them?
> >
> >Cheers,
> >Till
> >
> >On 18 Mar 2016, at 9:56, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) wrote:
> >
> >> The team needs to keep in mind:
> >>
> >> 1. Many of your most active members are not ASF members and
> >> thus representation amongst the foundation will be limited.
> >> 2. You will want to have ASF members, moreover the board considers
> >> this as a PMC composition when it reviews the resolution to create
> >> the project at the board meeting.
> >>
> >> It’s your community’s choice as an FYI, but keep the following in
> >> mind:
> >>
> >> 1. Merit doesn’t expire. Whether someone ever contributed, or
> >> are actively contributing, or not. Life happens, and you don’t
> >> want to penalize people when that’s the case.
> >> 2. You should consider having at least 3 ASF members go on with
> >> the project regardless (so that your project can be presented in
> >> future Members meeting electing new members etc etc.)
> >>
> >> I’m fine to retire from the PPMC and be omit from the PMC no problem
> >> on my end. I’ll see your great project around the Foundation should it
> >> be approved as a TLP and I’m proud of how far you’ve come!
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >> Chris
> >>
> >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
> >> Chief Architect
> >> Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
> >> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
> >> Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
> >> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
> >> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
> >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >> Director, Information Retrieval and Data Science Group (IRDS)
> >> Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
> >> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
> >> WWW: http://irds.usc.edu/
> >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Till Westmann <ti...@apache.org>
> >> Reply-To: "dev@asterixdb.incubator.apache.org"
> >> <de...@asterixdb.incubator.apache.org>
> >> Date: Friday, March 18, 2016 at 9:51 AM
> >> To: "dev@asterixdb.incubator.apache.org"
> >> <de...@asterixdb.incubator.apache.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation from the incubator
> >>
> >>> Thank you for the nomination and the support!
> >>>
> >>> I’ll draft a resolution. However, before getting to a resolution, it
> >>> would be really great to get some more thoughts/input on the
> >>>composition
> >>> of the PMC.
> >>> Clearly there have been varying levels of activity and the question is
> >>> if we should aim for a
> >>> a) bigger PMC with a large number of inactive members or
> >>> b) a smaller PMC of more active members.
> >>> If we opt for b), I think that Yingyi’s proposal is a sensible one.
> >>>
> >>> Thoughts?
> >>>
> >>> Cheers,
> >>> Till
> >>>
> >>> On 16 Mar 2016, at 22:24, Chen Li wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I also second this nomination.
> >>>>
> >>>> Chen
> >>>>
> >>>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 3:15 PM, Mike Carey <dt...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> I second that nomination! He'd be great.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 3/16/16 2:49 PM, Yingyi Bu wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> +1.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 1. VP, chair <=== eyes and ears of the board.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I'd like to nominate Till Westmann as the VP & PMC chair, since he
> >>>>>>> has
> >>>>>> already been performing some of the chair duties as described in
> >>>>>> [1].
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> TLP resolution:
> >>>>>>>> 1. Include all PPMC? (my suggestion, yes)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I guess we could ask existing PPMC who haven't contributed to the
> >>>>>>> project
> >>>>>> during the past year to see if they're still interested in being a
> >>>>>> PMC.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 2. Draft of TLP resolution
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The Kafka TLP resolution proposal [2] could be a good template for
> >>>>>>> us.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thanks!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Best,
> >>>>>> Yingyi
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> [1] http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#chair
> >>>>>> [2]
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201211.mbo
> >>>>>>x/
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>%
> 3CCACO5Y4xVziOzxB-bQCqO+tSgTJuGv+xBeYd-Lxu1LhiSyLo+_Q@mail.gmail.com
> >>>>>>%3
> >>>>>> E
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 7:42 AM, Sandeep Joshi <sanjos100@gmail.com
> >
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Mike,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I asked because I wanted to ascertain how quickly a newcomer
> >>>>>>> outside the
> >>>>>>> UCI circle can come up to speed with the vast asterixdb code-base.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I don't want to hijack this thread so maybe we can start another
> >>>>>>> thread.
> >>>>>>> I am interested in knowing how one could gain proficiency in
> >>>>>>> participating
> >>>>>>> in asterixdb development. What design patterns should one keep
> >>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>> mind,
> >>>>>>> what hasn't worked historically, what sequence of tasks can one
> >>>>>>> take on
> >>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>> learn about various parts of the system, etc.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> -Sandeep
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 7:36 PM, Mike Carey <dt...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> And I would guess there are at least 5 individuals with 10+ years
> >>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>> industrial experience (apiece) on the current team, if that's one
> >>>>>>>> of the
> >>>>>>>> reasons for the inquiry, with a handful more probably in the
> >>>>>>>> 2-5-ish
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> years
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> range. :-)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 3/15/16 9:32 PM, Till Westmann wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Hi Sandeep,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On 15 Mar 2016, at 19:13, Sandeep Joshi wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I am curious to know how many committers are from outside the
> >>>>>>>>> academic
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> circle (i.e. those who have not worked in the past on Asterixdb
> >>>>>>>>>> at UC
> >>>>>>>>>> Irvine or other academic institutions ) ?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I think that the current number committers without academic UC
> >>>>>>>>> heritage
> >>>>>>>>> is 3 (it’s an educated guess as I don’t know the CVs of the
> >>>>>>>>> committers).
> >>>>>>>>> Actually, a nice number for a project that was a university
> >>>>>>>>> project 12
> >>>>>>>>> months ago.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>>>>>> Till
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>
>
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation from the incubator
Posted by "Mattmann, Chris A (3980)" <ch...@jpl.nasa.gov>.
Till, based on the below I trust you are headed in the right direction
with this and I leave it up to you and the community to figure out
the resolution. I think like you said, PMC consisting of some inactive
people doesn’t hurt anything and recognizes their prior contribution,
however AsterixDB seems like a very welcoming community so if those folks
e.g., weren’t put on the board resolution PMC, but came back later, I would
expect that you would likely welcome them back with open arms and elect
them to the PMC.
If that’s the case (and I bet it is), I’m fine with proceeding forward.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
Chief Architect
Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Director, Information Retrieval and Data Science Group (IRDS)
Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
WWW: http://irds.usc.edu/
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
-----Original Message-----
From: Till Westmann <ti...@apache.org>
Reply-To: "dev@asterixdb.incubator.apache.org"
<de...@asterixdb.incubator.apache.org>
Date: Friday, March 18, 2016 at 2:17 PM
To: "dev@asterixdb.incubator.apache.org"
<de...@asterixdb.incubator.apache.org>
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation from the incubator
>Hi Chris,
>
>1) I’m confident that everybody would very much appreciate if you
>and Henry and Ted and Ate and Jochen stayed on board and on the PMC!
>
>2) The reason for the question is (at least in my mind, not sure
>if everybody else reads it the same way) that we currently have 25
>Committers/PPMC members, which seems to be a relatively big number.
>Most of them came in as they contributed actively before we joined
>the incubator. And we clearly wanted everybody who had contributed
>to the project to be able to continue to do so and to go through
>incubation with the project.
>But a few haven’t interacted with the project during the incubation
>period at all (life happened :) ). There is no intent to penalize
>anybody (and I would expect everybody to keep their merit and their
>commit bit). But does it make sense to add everybody to the PMC
>and make them responsible for the governance of the project - even
>if their life has moved on? Or is graduation a point in time at
>which everybody should re-evaluate their level of participation?
>It’s not really an important decision, as non-participating PMC
>members probably don’t cause any damage, but listing people in the
>board resolution that might never participate again also didn’t
>seem right.
>Does this make sense? Do other projects have a similar situation
>at graduation? If so, what has worked for them?
>
>Cheers,
>Till
>
>On 18 Mar 2016, at 9:56, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) wrote:
>
>> The team needs to keep in mind:
>>
>> 1. Many of your most active members are not ASF members and
>> thus representation amongst the foundation will be limited.
>> 2. You will want to have ASF members, moreover the board considers
>> this as a PMC composition when it reviews the resolution to create
>> the project at the board meeting.
>>
>> It’s your community’s choice as an FYI, but keep the following in
>> mind:
>>
>> 1. Merit doesn’t expire. Whether someone ever contributed, or
>> are actively contributing, or not. Life happens, and you don’t
>> want to penalize people when that’s the case.
>> 2. You should consider having at least 3 ASF members go on with
>> the project regardless (so that your project can be presented in
>> future Members meeting electing new members etc etc.)
>>
>> I’m fine to retire from the PPMC and be omit from the PMC no problem
>> on my end. I’ll see your great project around the Foundation should it
>> be approved as a TLP and I’m proud of how far you’ve come!
>>
>> Cheers
>> Chris
>>
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
>> Chief Architect
>> Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
>> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
>> Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
>> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
>> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> Director, Information Retrieval and Data Science Group (IRDS)
>> Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
>> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
>> WWW: http://irds.usc.edu/
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Till Westmann <ti...@apache.org>
>> Reply-To: "dev@asterixdb.incubator.apache.org"
>> <de...@asterixdb.incubator.apache.org>
>> Date: Friday, March 18, 2016 at 9:51 AM
>> To: "dev@asterixdb.incubator.apache.org"
>> <de...@asterixdb.incubator.apache.org>
>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation from the incubator
>>
>>> Thank you for the nomination and the support!
>>>
>>> I’ll draft a resolution. However, before getting to a resolution, it
>>> would be really great to get some more thoughts/input on the
>>>composition
>>> of the PMC.
>>> Clearly there have been varying levels of activity and the question is
>>> if we should aim for a
>>> a) bigger PMC with a large number of inactive members or
>>> b) a smaller PMC of more active members.
>>> If we opt for b), I think that Yingyi’s proposal is a sensible one.
>>>
>>> Thoughts?
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Till
>>>
>>> On 16 Mar 2016, at 22:24, Chen Li wrote:
>>>
>>>> I also second this nomination.
>>>>
>>>> Chen
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 3:15 PM, Mike Carey <dt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I second that nomination! He'd be great.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 3/16/16 2:49 PM, Yingyi Bu wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> +1.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. VP, chair <=== eyes and ears of the board.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'd like to nominate Till Westmann as the VP & PMC chair, since he
>>>>>>> has
>>>>>> already been performing some of the chair duties as described in
>>>>>> [1].
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TLP resolution:
>>>>>>>> 1. Include all PPMC? (my suggestion, yes)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I guess we could ask existing PPMC who haven't contributed to the
>>>>>>> project
>>>>>> during the past year to see if they're still interested in being a
>>>>>> PMC.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2. Draft of TLP resolution
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Kafka TLP resolution proposal [2] could be a good template for
>>>>>>> us.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>> Yingyi
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [1] http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#chair
>>>>>> [2]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201211.mbo
>>>>>>x/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>%3CCACO5Y4xVziOzxB-bQCqO+tSgTJuGv+xBeYd-Lxu1LhiSyLo+_Q@mail.gmail.com
>>>>>>%3
>>>>>> E
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 7:42 AM, Sandeep Joshi <sa...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mike,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I asked because I wanted to ascertain how quickly a newcomer
>>>>>>> outside the
>>>>>>> UCI circle can come up to speed with the vast asterixdb code-base.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't want to hijack this thread so maybe we can start another
>>>>>>> thread.
>>>>>>> I am interested in knowing how one could gain proficiency in
>>>>>>> participating
>>>>>>> in asterixdb development. What design patterns should one keep
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> mind,
>>>>>>> what hasn't worked historically, what sequence of tasks can one
>>>>>>> take on
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> learn about various parts of the system, etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Sandeep
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 7:36 PM, Mike Carey <dt...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And I would guess there are at least 5 individuals with 10+ years
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> industrial experience (apiece) on the current team, if that's one
>>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>>> reasons for the inquiry, with a handful more probably in the
>>>>>>>> 2-5-ish
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> years
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> range. :-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 3/15/16 9:32 PM, Till Westmann wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Sandeep,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 15 Mar 2016, at 19:13, Sandeep Joshi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I am curious to know how many committers are from outside the
>>>>>>>>> academic
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> circle (i.e. those who have not worked in the past on Asterixdb
>>>>>>>>>> at UC
>>>>>>>>>> Irvine or other academic institutions ) ?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I think that the current number committers without academic UC
>>>>>>>>> heritage
>>>>>>>>> is 3 (it’s an educated guess as I don’t know the CVs of the
>>>>>>>>> committers).
>>>>>>>>> Actually, a nice number for a project that was a university
>>>>>>>>> project 12
>>>>>>>>> months ago.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>> Till
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation from the incubator
Posted by Ted Dunning <te...@gmail.com>.
+1 as well.
The apache customs are specifically designed to allow people to become inactive without major penalty to the project. There is no harm in letting people stay if they want.
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 21, 2016, at 19:17, "Till Westmann" <ti...@apache.org> wrote:
>> Why not ask every PPMC member to state their wish?
>
> +1
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation from the incubator
Posted by Till Westmann <ti...@apache.org>.
On 21 Mar 2016, at 14:26, Ate Douma wrote:
> On 2016-03-18 22:17, Till Westmann wrote:
>> Hi Chris,
>>
>> 1) I’m confident that everybody would very much appreciate if you
>> and Henry and Ted and Ate and Jochen stayed on board and on the PMC!
>
> I'm willing to join the PMC, at least for a while, to help with
> process related work, like release validation or if needed dealing
> with the board.
> But I don't intend to participate much on technical or community
> level, if that's OK.
Absolutely. Thanks!
>> 2) The reason for the question is (at least in my mind, not sure
>> if everybody else reads it the same way) that we currently have 25
>> Committers/PPMC members, which seems to be a relatively big number.
>> Most of them came in as they contributed actively before we joined
>> the incubator. And we clearly wanted everybody who had contributed
>> to the project to be able to continue to do so and to go through
>> incubation with the project.
>> But a few haven’t interacted with the project during the incubation
>> period at all (life happened :) ). There is no intent to penalize
>> anybody (and I would expect everybody to keep their merit and their
>> commit bit). But does it make sense to add everybody to the PMC
>> and make them responsible for the governance of the project - even
>> if their life has moved on? Or is graduation a point in time at
>> which everybody should re-evaluate their level of participation?
>> It’s not really an important decision, as non-participating PMC
>> members probably don’t cause any damage, but listing people in the
>> board resolution that might never participate again also didn’t
>> seem right.
>> Does this make sense? Do other projects have a similar situation
>> at graduation? If so, what has worked for them?
>
> From a merit POV I'd say everyone on the current PPMC who actively
> contributed to AsterixDB, before or after the move to the ASF, can and
> may join the new PMC.
> But for some who no longer are actively involved and don't expect to
> become involved again it might also be OK to not join the new PMC.
> Why not ask every PPMC member to state their wish?
+1
> p.s. +1 for Till as VP and PMC Chair
Thanks!
Till
>> On 18 Mar 2016, at 9:56, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) wrote:
>>
>>> The team needs to keep in mind:
>>>
>>> 1. Many of your most active members are not ASF members and
>>> thus representation amongst the foundation will be limited.
>>> 2. You will want to have ASF members, moreover the board considers
>>> this as a PMC composition when it reviews the resolution to create
>>> the project at the board meeting.
>>>
>>> It’s your community’s choice as an FYI, but keep the following
>>> in
>>> mind:
>>>
>>> 1. Merit doesn’t expire. Whether someone ever contributed, or
>>> are actively contributing, or not. Life happens, and you don’t
>>> want to penalize people when that’s the case.
>>> 2. You should consider having at least 3 ASF members go on with
>>> the project regardless (so that your project can be presented in
>>> future Members meeting electing new members etc etc.)
>>>
>>> I’m fine to retire from the PPMC and be omit from the PMC no
>>> problem
>>> on my end. I’ll see your great project around the Foundation
>>> should it
>>> be approved as a TLP and I’m proud of how far you’ve come!
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
>>> Chief Architect
>>> Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
>>> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
>>> Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
>>> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
>>> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>> Director, Information Retrieval and Data Science Group (IRDS)
>>> Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
>>> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
>>> WWW: http://irds.usc.edu/
>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Till Westmann <ti...@apache.org>
>>> Reply-To: "dev@asterixdb.incubator.apache.org"
>>> <de...@asterixdb.incubator.apache.org>
>>> Date: Friday, March 18, 2016 at 9:51 AM
>>> To: "dev@asterixdb.incubator.apache.org"
>>> <de...@asterixdb.incubator.apache.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation from the incubator
>>>
>>>> Thank you for the nomination and the support!
>>>>
>>>> I’ll draft a resolution. However, before getting to a resolution,
>>>> it
>>>> would be really great to get some more thoughts/input on the
>>>> composition
>>>> of the PMC.
>>>> Clearly there have been varying levels of activity and the question
>>>> is
>>>> if we should aim for a
>>>> a) bigger PMC with a large number of inactive members or
>>>> b) a smaller PMC of more active members.
>>>> If we opt for b), I think that Yingyi’s proposal is a sensible
>>>> one.
>>>>
>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Till
>>>>
>>>> On 16 Mar 2016, at 22:24, Chen Li wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I also second this nomination.
>>>>>
>>>>> Chen
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 3:15 PM, Mike Carey <dt...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I second that nomination! He'd be great.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/16/16 2:49 PM, Yingyi Bu wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> +1.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1. VP, chair <=== eyes and ears of the board.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'd like to nominate Till Westmann as the VP & PMC chair, since
>>>>>>>> he
>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>> already been performing some of the chair duties as described in
>>>>>>> [1].
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> TLP resolution:
>>>>>>>>> 1. Include all PPMC? (my suggestion, yes)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I guess we could ask existing PPMC who haven't contributed to
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> project
>>>>>>> during the past year to see if they're still interested in being
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> PMC.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2. Draft of TLP resolution
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Kafka TLP resolution proposal [2] could be a good template
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> us.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>> Yingyi
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [1] http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#chair
>>>>>>> [2]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201211.mbox/
>>>>>>> %3CCACO5Y4xVziOzxB-bQCqO+tSgTJuGv+xBeYd-Lxu1LhiSyLo+_Q@mail.gmail.com%3
>>>>>>> E
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 7:42 AM, Sandeep Joshi
>>>>>>> <sa...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mike,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I asked because I wanted to ascertain how quickly a newcomer
>>>>>>>> outside the
>>>>>>>> UCI circle can come up to speed with the vast asterixdb
>>>>>>>> code-base.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't want to hijack this thread so maybe we can start
>>>>>>>> another
>>>>>>>> thread.
>>>>>>>> I am interested in knowing how one could gain proficiency in
>>>>>>>> participating
>>>>>>>> in asterixdb development. What design patterns should one
>>>>>>>> keep
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> mind,
>>>>>>>> what hasn't worked historically, what sequence of tasks can one
>>>>>>>> take on
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> learn about various parts of the system, etc.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -Sandeep
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 7:36 PM, Mike Carey <dt...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And I would guess there are at least 5 individuals with 10+
>>>>>>>> years
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> industrial experience (apiece) on the current team, if that's
>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>>>> reasons for the inquiry, with a handful more probably in the
>>>>>>>>> 2-5-ish
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> years
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> range. :-)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 3/15/16 9:32 PM, Till Westmann wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Sandeep,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 15 Mar 2016, at 19:13, Sandeep Joshi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I am curious to know how many committers are from outside the
>>>>>>>>>> academic
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> circle (i.e. those who have not worked in the past on
>>>>>>>>>>> Asterixdb
>>>>>>>>>>> at UC
>>>>>>>>>>> Irvine or other academic institutions ) ?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I think that the current number committers without academic
>>>>>>>>>>> UC
>>>>>>>>>> heritage
>>>>>>>>>> is 3 (it’s an educated guess as I don’t know the CVs of
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> committers).
>>>>>>>>>> Actually, a nice number for a project that was a university
>>>>>>>>>> project 12
>>>>>>>>>> months ago.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>> Till
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation from the incubator
Posted by Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu>.
On 2016-03-18 22:17, Till Westmann wrote:
> Hi Chris,
>
> 1) I’m confident that everybody would very much appreciate if you
> and Henry and Ted and Ate and Jochen stayed on board and on the PMC!
I'm willing to join the PMC, at least for a while, to help with process related
work, like release validation or if needed dealing with the board.
But I don't intend to participate much on technical or community level, if
that's OK.
>
> 2) The reason for the question is (at least in my mind, not sure
> if everybody else reads it the same way) that we currently have 25
> Committers/PPMC members, which seems to be a relatively big number.
> Most of them came in as they contributed actively before we joined
> the incubator. And we clearly wanted everybody who had contributed
> to the project to be able to continue to do so and to go through
> incubation with the project.
> But a few haven’t interacted with the project during the incubation
> period at all (life happened :) ). There is no intent to penalize
> anybody (and I would expect everybody to keep their merit and their
> commit bit). But does it make sense to add everybody to the PMC
> and make them responsible for the governance of the project - even
> if their life has moved on? Or is graduation a point in time at
> which everybody should re-evaluate their level of participation?
> It’s not really an important decision, as non-participating PMC
> members probably don’t cause any damage, but listing people in the
> board resolution that might never participate again also didn’t
> seem right.
> Does this make sense? Do other projects have a similar situation
> at graduation? If so, what has worked for them?
From a merit POV I'd say everyone on the current PPMC who actively contributed
to AsterixDB, before or after the move to the ASF, can and may join the new PMC.
But for some who no longer are actively involved and don't expect to become
involved again it might also be OK to not join the new PMC.
Why not ask every PPMC member to state their wish?
Ate
p.s. +1 for Till as VP and PMC Chair
>
> Cheers,
> Till
>
> On 18 Mar 2016, at 9:56, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) wrote:
>
>> The team needs to keep in mind:
>>
>> 1. Many of your most active members are not ASF members and
>> thus representation amongst the foundation will be limited.
>> 2. You will want to have ASF members, moreover the board considers
>> this as a PMC composition when it reviews the resolution to create
>> the project at the board meeting.
>>
>> It’s your community’s choice as an FYI, but keep the following in
>> mind:
>>
>> 1. Merit doesn’t expire. Whether someone ever contributed, or
>> are actively contributing, or not. Life happens, and you don’t
>> want to penalize people when that’s the case.
>> 2. You should consider having at least 3 ASF members go on with
>> the project regardless (so that your project can be presented in
>> future Members meeting electing new members etc etc.)
>>
>> I’m fine to retire from the PPMC and be omit from the PMC no problem
>> on my end. I’ll see your great project around the Foundation should it
>> be approved as a TLP and I’m proud of how far you’ve come!
>>
>> Cheers
>> Chris
>>
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
>> Chief Architect
>> Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
>> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
>> Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
>> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
>> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> Director, Information Retrieval and Data Science Group (IRDS)
>> Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
>> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
>> WWW: http://irds.usc.edu/
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Till Westmann <ti...@apache.org>
>> Reply-To: "dev@asterixdb.incubator.apache.org"
>> <de...@asterixdb.incubator.apache.org>
>> Date: Friday, March 18, 2016 at 9:51 AM
>> To: "dev@asterixdb.incubator.apache.org"
>> <de...@asterixdb.incubator.apache.org>
>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation from the incubator
>>
>>> Thank you for the nomination and the support!
>>>
>>> I’ll draft a resolution. However, before getting to a resolution, it
>>> would be really great to get some more thoughts/input on the composition
>>> of the PMC.
>>> Clearly there have been varying levels of activity and the question is
>>> if we should aim for a
>>> a) bigger PMC with a large number of inactive members or
>>> b) a smaller PMC of more active members.
>>> If we opt for b), I think that Yingyi’s proposal is a sensible one.
>>>
>>> Thoughts?
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Till
>>>
>>> On 16 Mar 2016, at 22:24, Chen Li wrote:
>>>
>>>> I also second this nomination.
>>>>
>>>> Chen
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 3:15 PM, Mike Carey <dt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I second that nomination! He'd be great.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 3/16/16 2:49 PM, Yingyi Bu wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> +1.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. VP, chair <=== eyes and ears of the board.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'd like to nominate Till Westmann as the VP & PMC chair, since he
>>>>>>> has
>>>>>> already been performing some of the chair duties as described in
>>>>>> [1].
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TLP resolution:
>>>>>>>> 1. Include all PPMC? (my suggestion, yes)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I guess we could ask existing PPMC who haven't contributed to the
>>>>>>> project
>>>>>> during the past year to see if they're still interested in being a
>>>>>> PMC.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2. Draft of TLP resolution
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Kafka TLP resolution proposal [2] could be a good template for
>>>>>>> us.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>> Yingyi
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [1] http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#chair
>>>>>> [2]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201211.mbox/
>>>>>> %3CCACO5Y4xVziOzxB-bQCqO+tSgTJuGv+xBeYd-Lxu1LhiSyLo+_Q@mail.gmail.com%3
>>>>>> E
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 7:42 AM, Sandeep Joshi <sa...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mike,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I asked because I wanted to ascertain how quickly a newcomer
>>>>>>> outside the
>>>>>>> UCI circle can come up to speed with the vast asterixdb code-base.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't want to hijack this thread so maybe we can start another
>>>>>>> thread.
>>>>>>> I am interested in knowing how one could gain proficiency in
>>>>>>> participating
>>>>>>> in asterixdb development. What design patterns should one keep
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> mind,
>>>>>>> what hasn't worked historically, what sequence of tasks can one
>>>>>>> take on
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> learn about various parts of the system, etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Sandeep
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 7:36 PM, Mike Carey <dt...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And I would guess there are at least 5 individuals with 10+ years
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> industrial experience (apiece) on the current team, if that's one
>>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>>> reasons for the inquiry, with a handful more probably in the
>>>>>>>> 2-5-ish
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> years
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> range. :-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 3/15/16 9:32 PM, Till Westmann wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Sandeep,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 15 Mar 2016, at 19:13, Sandeep Joshi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I am curious to know how many committers are from outside the
>>>>>>>>> academic
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> circle (i.e. those who have not worked in the past on Asterixdb
>>>>>>>>>> at UC
>>>>>>>>>> Irvine or other academic institutions ) ?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I think that the current number committers without academic UC
>>>>>>>>> heritage
>>>>>>>>> is 3 (it’s an educated guess as I don’t know the CVs of the
>>>>>>>>> committers).
>>>>>>>>> Actually, a nice number for a project that was a university
>>>>>>>>> project 12
>>>>>>>>> months ago.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>> Till
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation from the incubator
Posted by Till Westmann <ti...@apache.org>.
Hi Chris,
1) I’m confident that everybody would very much appreciate if you
and Henry and Ted and Ate and Jochen stayed on board and on the PMC!
2) The reason for the question is (at least in my mind, not sure
if everybody else reads it the same way) that we currently have 25
Committers/PPMC members, which seems to be a relatively big number.
Most of them came in as they contributed actively before we joined
the incubator. And we clearly wanted everybody who had contributed
to the project to be able to continue to do so and to go through
incubation with the project.
But a few haven’t interacted with the project during the incubation
period at all (life happened :) ). There is no intent to penalize
anybody (and I would expect everybody to keep their merit and their
commit bit). But does it make sense to add everybody to the PMC
and make them responsible for the governance of the project - even
if their life has moved on? Or is graduation a point in time at
which everybody should re-evaluate their level of participation?
It’s not really an important decision, as non-participating PMC
members probably don’t cause any damage, but listing people in the
board resolution that might never participate again also didn’t
seem right.
Does this make sense? Do other projects have a similar situation
at graduation? If so, what has worked for them?
Cheers,
Till
On 18 Mar 2016, at 9:56, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) wrote:
> The team needs to keep in mind:
>
> 1. Many of your most active members are not ASF members and
> thus representation amongst the foundation will be limited.
> 2. You will want to have ASF members, moreover the board considers
> this as a PMC composition when it reviews the resolution to create
> the project at the board meeting.
>
> It’s your community’s choice as an FYI, but keep the following in
> mind:
>
> 1. Merit doesn’t expire. Whether someone ever contributed, or
> are actively contributing, or not. Life happens, and you don’t
> want to penalize people when that’s the case.
> 2. You should consider having at least 3 ASF members go on with
> the project regardless (so that your project can be presented in
> future Members meeting electing new members etc etc.)
>
> I’m fine to retire from the PPMC and be omit from the PMC no problem
> on my end. I’ll see your great project around the Foundation should it
> be approved as a TLP and I’m proud of how far you’ve come!
>
> Cheers
> Chris
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
> Chief Architect
> Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
> Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Director, Information Retrieval and Data Science Group (IRDS)
> Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
> WWW: http://irds.usc.edu/
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Till Westmann <ti...@apache.org>
> Reply-To: "dev@asterixdb.incubator.apache.org"
> <de...@asterixdb.incubator.apache.org>
> Date: Friday, March 18, 2016 at 9:51 AM
> To: "dev@asterixdb.incubator.apache.org"
> <de...@asterixdb.incubator.apache.org>
> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation from the incubator
>
>> Thank you for the nomination and the support!
>>
>> I’ll draft a resolution. However, before getting to a resolution, it
>> would be really great to get some more thoughts/input on the composition
>> of the PMC.
>> Clearly there have been varying levels of activity and the question is
>> if we should aim for a
>> a) bigger PMC with a large number of inactive members or
>> b) a smaller PMC of more active members.
>> If we opt for b), I think that Yingyi’s proposal is a sensible one.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Till
>>
>> On 16 Mar 2016, at 22:24, Chen Li wrote:
>>
>>> I also second this nomination.
>>>
>>> Chen
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 3:15 PM, Mike Carey <dt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I second that nomination! He'd be great.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 3/16/16 2:49 PM, Yingyi Bu wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> +1.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. VP, chair <=== eyes and ears of the board.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd like to nominate Till Westmann as the VP & PMC chair, since he
>>>>>> has
>>>>> already been performing some of the chair duties as described in
>>>>> [1].
>>>>>
>>>>> TLP resolution:
>>>>>>> 1. Include all PPMC? (my suggestion, yes)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I guess we could ask existing PPMC who haven't contributed to the
>>>>>> project
>>>>> during the past year to see if they're still interested in being a
>>>>> PMC.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. Draft of TLP resolution
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Kafka TLP resolution proposal [2] could be a good template for
>>>>>> us.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Yingyi
>>>>>
>>>>> [1] http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#chair
>>>>> [2]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201211.mbox/
>>>>> %3CCACO5Y4xVziOzxB-bQCqO+tSgTJuGv+xBeYd-Lxu1LhiSyLo+_Q@mail.gmail.com%3
>>>>> E
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 7:42 AM, Sandeep Joshi <sa...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I asked because I wanted to ascertain how quickly a newcomer
>>>>>> outside the
>>>>>> UCI circle can come up to speed with the vast asterixdb code-base.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't want to hijack this thread so maybe we can start another
>>>>>> thread.
>>>>>> I am interested in knowing how one could gain proficiency in
>>>>>> participating
>>>>>> in asterixdb development. What design patterns should one keep
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> mind,
>>>>>> what hasn't worked historically, what sequence of tasks can one
>>>>>> take on
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> learn about various parts of the system, etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Sandeep
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 7:36 PM, Mike Carey <dt...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And I would guess there are at least 5 individuals with 10+ years
>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> industrial experience (apiece) on the current team, if that's one
>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>> reasons for the inquiry, with a handful more probably in the
>>>>>>> 2-5-ish
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> years
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> range. :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 3/15/16 9:32 PM, Till Westmann wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Sandeep,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 15 Mar 2016, at 19:13, Sandeep Joshi wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am curious to know how many committers are from outside the
>>>>>>>> academic
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> circle (i.e. those who have not worked in the past on Asterixdb
>>>>>>>>> at UC
>>>>>>>>> Irvine or other academic institutions ) ?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I think that the current number committers without academic UC
>>>>>>>> heritage
>>>>>>>> is 3 (it’s an educated guess as I don’t know the CVs of the
>>>>>>>> committers).
>>>>>>>> Actually, a nice number for a project that was a university
>>>>>>>> project 12
>>>>>>>> months ago.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>> Till
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation from the incubator
Posted by "Mattmann, Chris A (3980)" <ch...@jpl.nasa.gov>.
The team needs to keep in mind:
1. Many of your most active members are not ASF members and
thus representation amongst the foundation will be limited.
2. You will want to have ASF members, moreover the board considers
this as a PMC composition when it reviews the resolution to create
the project at the board meeting.
It’s your community’s choice as an FYI, but keep the following in
mind:
1. Merit doesn’t expire. Whether someone ever contributed, or
are actively contributing, or not. Life happens, and you don’t
want to penalize people when that’s the case.
2. You should consider having at least 3 ASF members go on with
the project regardless (so that your project can be presented in
future Members meeting electing new members etc etc.)
I’m fine to retire from the PPMC and be omit from the PMC no problem
on my end. I’ll see your great project around the Foundation should it
be approved as a TLP and I’m proud of how far you’ve come!
Cheers
Chris
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
Chief Architect
Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Director, Information Retrieval and Data Science Group (IRDS)
Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
WWW: http://irds.usc.edu/
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
-----Original Message-----
From: Till Westmann <ti...@apache.org>
Reply-To: "dev@asterixdb.incubator.apache.org"
<de...@asterixdb.incubator.apache.org>
Date: Friday, March 18, 2016 at 9:51 AM
To: "dev@asterixdb.incubator.apache.org"
<de...@asterixdb.incubator.apache.org>
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation from the incubator
>Thank you for the nomination and the support!
>
>I’ll draft a resolution. However, before getting to a resolution, it
>would be really great to get some more thoughts/input on the composition
>of the PMC.
>Clearly there have been varying levels of activity and the question is
>if we should aim for a
>a) bigger PMC with a large number of inactive members or
>b) a smaller PMC of more active members.
>If we opt for b), I think that Yingyi’s proposal is a sensible one.
>
>Thoughts?
>
>Cheers,
>Till
>
>On 16 Mar 2016, at 22:24, Chen Li wrote:
>
>> I also second this nomination.
>>
>> Chen
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 3:15 PM, Mike Carey <dt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I second that nomination! He'd be great.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/16/16 2:49 PM, Yingyi Bu wrote:
>>>
>>>> +1.
>>>>
>>>> 1. VP, chair <=== eyes and ears of the board.
>>>>>>
>>>>> I'd like to nominate Till Westmann as the VP & PMC chair, since he
>>>>> has
>>>> already been performing some of the chair duties as described in
>>>> [1].
>>>>
>>>> TLP resolution:
>>>>>> 1. Include all PPMC? (my suggestion, yes)
>>>>>>
>>>>> I guess we could ask existing PPMC who haven't contributed to the
>>>>> project
>>>> during the past year to see if they're still interested in being a
>>>> PMC.
>>>>
>>>> 2. Draft of TLP resolution
>>>>>>
>>>>> The Kafka TLP resolution proposal [2] could be a good template for
>>>>> us.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Yingyi
>>>>
>>>> [1] http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#chair
>>>> [2]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201211.mbox/
>>>>%3CCACO5Y4xVziOzxB-bQCqO+tSgTJuGv+xBeYd-Lxu1LhiSyLo+_Q@mail.gmail.com%3
>>>>E
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 7:42 AM, Sandeep Joshi <sa...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Mike,
>>>>>
>>>>> I asked because I wanted to ascertain how quickly a newcomer
>>>>> outside the
>>>>> UCI circle can come up to speed with the vast asterixdb code-base.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't want to hijack this thread so maybe we can start another
>>>>> thread.
>>>>> I am interested in knowing how one could gain proficiency in
>>>>> participating
>>>>> in asterixdb development. What design patterns should one keep
>>>>> in
>>>>> mind,
>>>>> what hasn't worked historically, what sequence of tasks can one
>>>>> take on
>>>>> to
>>>>> learn about various parts of the system, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Sandeep
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 7:36 PM, Mike Carey <dt...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> And I would guess there are at least 5 individuals with 10+ years
>>>>> of
>>>>>> industrial experience (apiece) on the current team, if that's one
>>>>>> of the
>>>>>> reasons for the inquiry, with a handful more probably in the
>>>>>> 2-5-ish
>>>>>>
>>>>> years
>>>>>
>>>>>> range. :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/15/16 9:32 PM, Till Westmann wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Sandeep,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 15 Mar 2016, at 19:13, Sandeep Joshi wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am curious to know how many committers are from outside the
>>>>>>> academic
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> circle (i.e. those who have not worked in the past on Asterixdb
>>>>>>>> at UC
>>>>>>>> Irvine or other academic institutions ) ?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think that the current number committers without academic UC
>>>>>>> heritage
>>>>>>> is 3 (it’s an educated guess as I don’t know the CVs of the
>>>>>>> committers).
>>>>>>> Actually, a nice number for a project that was a university
>>>>>>> project 12
>>>>>>> months ago.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> Till
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation from the incubator
Posted by Till Westmann <ti...@apache.org>.
Thank you for the nomination and the support!
I’ll draft a resolution. However, before getting to a resolution, it
would be really great to get some more thoughts/input on the composition
of the PMC.
Clearly there have been varying levels of activity and the question is
if we should aim for a
a) bigger PMC with a large number of inactive members or
b) a smaller PMC of more active members.
If we opt for b), I think that Yingyi’s proposal is a sensible one.
Thoughts?
Cheers,
Till
On 16 Mar 2016, at 22:24, Chen Li wrote:
> I also second this nomination.
>
> Chen
>
> On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 3:15 PM, Mike Carey <dt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I second that nomination! He'd be great.
>>
>>
>> On 3/16/16 2:49 PM, Yingyi Bu wrote:
>>
>>> +1.
>>>
>>> 1. VP, chair <=== eyes and ears of the board.
>>>>>
>>>> I'd like to nominate Till Westmann as the VP & PMC chair, since he
>>>> has
>>> already been performing some of the chair duties as described in
>>> [1].
>>>
>>> TLP resolution:
>>>>> 1. Include all PPMC? (my suggestion, yes)
>>>>>
>>>> I guess we could ask existing PPMC who haven't contributed to the
>>>> project
>>> during the past year to see if they're still interested in being a
>>> PMC.
>>>
>>> 2. Draft of TLP resolution
>>>>>
>>>> The Kafka TLP resolution proposal [2] could be a good template for
>>>> us.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Yingyi
>>>
>>> [1] http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#chair
>>> [2]
>>>
>>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201211.mbox/%3CCACO5Y4xVziOzxB-bQCqO+tSgTJuGv+xBeYd-Lxu1LhiSyLo+_Q@mail.gmail.com%3E
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 7:42 AM, Sandeep Joshi <sa...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Mike,
>>>>
>>>> I asked because I wanted to ascertain how quickly a newcomer
>>>> outside the
>>>> UCI circle can come up to speed with the vast asterixdb code-base.
>>>>
>>>> I don't want to hijack this thread so maybe we can start another
>>>> thread.
>>>> I am interested in knowing how one could gain proficiency in
>>>> participating
>>>> in asterixdb development. What design patterns should one keep
>>>> in
>>>> mind,
>>>> what hasn't worked historically, what sequence of tasks can one
>>>> take on
>>>> to
>>>> learn about various parts of the system, etc.
>>>>
>>>> -Sandeep
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 7:36 PM, Mike Carey <dt...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> And I would guess there are at least 5 individuals with 10+ years
>>>> of
>>>>> industrial experience (apiece) on the current team, if that's one
>>>>> of the
>>>>> reasons for the inquiry, with a handful more probably in the
>>>>> 2-5-ish
>>>>>
>>>> years
>>>>
>>>>> range. :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> On 3/15/16 9:32 PM, Till Westmann wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Sandeep,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 15 Mar 2016, at 19:13, Sandeep Joshi wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am curious to know how many committers are from outside the
>>>>>> academic
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> circle (i.e. those who have not worked in the past on Asterixdb
>>>>>>> at UC
>>>>>>> Irvine or other academic institutions ) ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think that the current number committers without academic UC
>>>>>> heritage
>>>>>> is 3 (it’s an educated guess as I don’t know the CVs of the
>>>>>> committers).
>>>>>> Actually, a nice number for a project that was a university
>>>>>> project 12
>>>>>> months ago.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Till
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation from the incubator
Posted by Chen Li <ch...@gmail.com>.
I also second this nomination.
Chen
On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 3:15 PM, Mike Carey <dt...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I second that nomination! He'd be great.
>
>
> On 3/16/16 2:49 PM, Yingyi Bu wrote:
>
>> +1.
>>
>> 1. VP, chair <=== eyes and ears of the board.
>>>>
>>> I'd like to nominate Till Westmann as the VP & PMC chair, since he has
>> already been performing some of the chair duties as described in [1].
>>
>> TLP resolution:
>>>> 1. Include all PPMC? (my suggestion, yes)
>>>>
>>> I guess we could ask existing PPMC who haven't contributed to the project
>> during the past year to see if they're still interested in being a PMC.
>>
>> 2. Draft of TLP resolution
>>>>
>>> The Kafka TLP resolution proposal [2] could be a good template for us.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Best,
>> Yingyi
>>
>> [1] http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#chair
>> [2]
>>
>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201211.mbox/%3CCACO5Y4xVziOzxB-bQCqO+tSgTJuGv+xBeYd-Lxu1LhiSyLo+_Q@mail.gmail.com%3E
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 7:42 AM, Sandeep Joshi <sa...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Mike,
>>>
>>> I asked because I wanted to ascertain how quickly a newcomer outside the
>>> UCI circle can come up to speed with the vast asterixdb code-base.
>>>
>>> I don't want to hijack this thread so maybe we can start another thread.
>>> I am interested in knowing how one could gain proficiency in
>>> participating
>>> in asterixdb development. What design patterns should one keep in
>>> mind,
>>> what hasn't worked historically, what sequence of tasks can one take on
>>> to
>>> learn about various parts of the system, etc.
>>>
>>> -Sandeep
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 7:36 PM, Mike Carey <dt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> And I would guess there are at least 5 individuals with 10+ years of
>>>> industrial experience (apiece) on the current team, if that's one of the
>>>> reasons for the inquiry, with a handful more probably in the 2-5-ish
>>>>
>>> years
>>>
>>>> range. :-)
>>>>
>>>> On 3/15/16 9:32 PM, Till Westmann wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Sandeep,
>>>>>
>>>>> On 15 Mar 2016, at 19:13, Sandeep Joshi wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I am curious to know how many committers are from outside the academic
>>>>>
>>>>>> circle (i.e. those who have not worked in the past on Asterixdb at UC
>>>>>> Irvine or other academic institutions ) ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think that the current number committers without academic UC
>>>>> heritage
>>>>> is 3 (it’s an educated guess as I don’t know the CVs of the
>>>>> committers).
>>>>> Actually, a nice number for a project that was a university project 12
>>>>> months ago.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Till
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation from the incubator
Posted by Mike Carey <dt...@gmail.com>.
I second that nomination! He'd be great.
On 3/16/16 2:49 PM, Yingyi Bu wrote:
> +1.
>
>>> 1. VP, chair <=== eyes and ears of the board.
> I'd like to nominate Till Westmann as the VP & PMC chair, since he has
> already been performing some of the chair duties as described in [1].
>
>>> TLP resolution:
>>> 1. Include all PPMC? (my suggestion, yes)
> I guess we could ask existing PPMC who haven't contributed to the project
> during the past year to see if they're still interested in being a PMC.
>
>>> 2. Draft of TLP resolution
> The Kafka TLP resolution proposal [2] could be a good template for us.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Best,
> Yingyi
>
> [1] http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#chair
> [2]
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201211.mbox/%3CCACO5Y4xVziOzxB-bQCqO+tSgTJuGv+xBeYd-Lxu1LhiSyLo+_Q@mail.gmail.com%3E
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 7:42 AM, Sandeep Joshi <sa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Mike,
>>
>> I asked because I wanted to ascertain how quickly a newcomer outside the
>> UCI circle can come up to speed with the vast asterixdb code-base.
>>
>> I don't want to hijack this thread so maybe we can start another thread.
>> I am interested in knowing how one could gain proficiency in participating
>> in asterixdb development. What design patterns should one keep in mind,
>> what hasn't worked historically, what sequence of tasks can one take on to
>> learn about various parts of the system, etc.
>>
>> -Sandeep
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 7:36 PM, Mike Carey <dt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> And I would guess there are at least 5 individuals with 10+ years of
>>> industrial experience (apiece) on the current team, if that's one of the
>>> reasons for the inquiry, with a handful more probably in the 2-5-ish
>> years
>>> range. :-)
>>>
>>> On 3/15/16 9:32 PM, Till Westmann wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Sandeep,
>>>>
>>>> On 15 Mar 2016, at 19:13, Sandeep Joshi wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I am curious to know how many committers are from outside the academic
>>>>> circle (i.e. those who have not worked in the past on Asterixdb at UC
>>>>> Irvine or other academic institutions ) ?
>>>>>
>>>> I think that the current number committers without academic UC heritage
>>>> is 3 (it’s an educated guess as I don’t know the CVs of the committers).
>>>> Actually, a nice number for a project that was a university project 12
>>>> months ago.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Till
>>>>
>>>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation from the incubator
Posted by Mike Carey <dt...@gmail.com>.
BTW, I've looked through the ASF materials on incubation, goals, and
graduation,
and it indeed seems to me like we're ready! (So I'm still +1 after
doing that more
thoroughly today... :-))
On 3/18/16 11:59 AM, Henry Saputra wrote:
> Sorry for late response on this thread, but yes I think it is time for
> AsterixDB to graduate.
>
> And +1 for Till has the VP
>
> - Henry
>
> On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 2:49 PM, Yingyi Bu <bu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> +1.
>>
>>>> 1. VP, chair <=== eyes and ears of the board.
>> I'd like to nominate Till Westmann as the VP & PMC chair, since he has
>> already been performing some of the chair duties as described in [1].
>>
>>>> TLP resolution:
>>>> 1. Include all PPMC? (my suggestion, yes)
>> I guess we could ask existing PPMC who haven't contributed to the project
>> during the past year to see if they're still interested in being a PMC.
>>
>>>> 2. Draft of TLP resolution
>> The Kafka TLP resolution proposal [2] could be a good template for us.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Best,
>> Yingyi
>>
>> [1] http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#chair
>> [2]
>>
>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201211.mbox/%3CCACO5Y4xVziOzxB-bQCqO+tSgTJuGv+xBeYd-Lxu1LhiSyLo+_Q@mail.gmail.com%3E
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 7:42 AM, Sandeep Joshi <sa...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Mike,
>>>
>>> I asked because I wanted to ascertain how quickly a newcomer outside the
>>> UCI circle can come up to speed with the vast asterixdb code-base.
>>>
>>> I don't want to hijack this thread so maybe we can start another thread.
>>> I am interested in knowing how one could gain proficiency in
>> participating
>>> in asterixdb development. What design patterns should one keep in
>> mind,
>>> what hasn't worked historically, what sequence of tasks can one take on
>> to
>>> learn about various parts of the system, etc.
>>>
>>> -Sandeep
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 7:36 PM, Mike Carey <dt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> And I would guess there are at least 5 individuals with 10+ years of
>>>> industrial experience (apiece) on the current team, if that's one of
>> the
>>>> reasons for the inquiry, with a handful more probably in the 2-5-ish
>>> years
>>>> range. :-)
>>>>
>>>> On 3/15/16 9:32 PM, Till Westmann wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Sandeep,
>>>>>
>>>>> On 15 Mar 2016, at 19:13, Sandeep Joshi wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I am curious to know how many committers are from outside the academic
>>>>>> circle (i.e. those who have not worked in the past on Asterixdb at UC
>>>>>> Irvine or other academic institutions ) ?
>>>>>>
>>>>> I think that the current number committers without academic UC
>> heritage
>>>>> is 3 (it’s an educated guess as I don’t know the CVs of the
>> committers).
>>>>> Actually, a nice number for a project that was a university project 12
>>>>> months ago.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Till
>>>>>
>>>>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation from the incubator
Posted by Henry Saputra <he...@gmail.com>.
Sorry for late response on this thread, but yes I think it is time for
AsterixDB to graduate.
And +1 for Till has the VP
- Henry
On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 2:49 PM, Yingyi Bu <bu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> +1.
>
> >> 1. VP, chair <=== eyes and ears of the board.
> I'd like to nominate Till Westmann as the VP & PMC chair, since he has
> already been performing some of the chair duties as described in [1].
>
> >> TLP resolution:
> >> 1. Include all PPMC? (my suggestion, yes)
> I guess we could ask existing PPMC who haven't contributed to the project
> during the past year to see if they're still interested in being a PMC.
>
> >> 2. Draft of TLP resolution
> The Kafka TLP resolution proposal [2] could be a good template for us.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Best,
> Yingyi
>
> [1] http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#chair
> [2]
>
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201211.mbox/%3CCACO5Y4xVziOzxB-bQCqO+tSgTJuGv+xBeYd-Lxu1LhiSyLo+_Q@mail.gmail.com%3E
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 7:42 AM, Sandeep Joshi <sa...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Mike,
> >
> > I asked because I wanted to ascertain how quickly a newcomer outside the
> > UCI circle can come up to speed with the vast asterixdb code-base.
> >
> > I don't want to hijack this thread so maybe we can start another thread.
> > I am interested in knowing how one could gain proficiency in
> participating
> > in asterixdb development. What design patterns should one keep in
> mind,
> > what hasn't worked historically, what sequence of tasks can one take on
> to
> > learn about various parts of the system, etc.
> >
> > -Sandeep
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 7:36 PM, Mike Carey <dt...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > And I would guess there are at least 5 individuals with 10+ years of
> > > industrial experience (apiece) on the current team, if that's one of
> the
> > > reasons for the inquiry, with a handful more probably in the 2-5-ish
> > years
> > > range. :-)
> > >
> > > On 3/15/16 9:32 PM, Till Westmann wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hi Sandeep,
> > >>
> > >> On 15 Mar 2016, at 19:13, Sandeep Joshi wrote:
> > >>
> > >> I am curious to know how many committers are from outside the academic
> > >>> circle (i.e. those who have not worked in the past on Asterixdb at UC
> > >>> Irvine or other academic institutions ) ?
> > >>>
> > >> I think that the current number committers without academic UC
> heritage
> > >> is 3 (it’s an educated guess as I don’t know the CVs of the
> committers).
> > >> Actually, a nice number for a project that was a university project 12
> > >> months ago.
> > >>
> > >> Cheers,
> > >> Till
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation from the incubator
Posted by Yingyi Bu <bu...@gmail.com>.
+1.
>> 1. VP, chair <=== eyes and ears of the board.
I'd like to nominate Till Westmann as the VP & PMC chair, since he has
already been performing some of the chair duties as described in [1].
>> TLP resolution:
>> 1. Include all PPMC? (my suggestion, yes)
I guess we could ask existing PPMC who haven't contributed to the project
during the past year to see if they're still interested in being a PMC.
>> 2. Draft of TLP resolution
The Kafka TLP resolution proposal [2] could be a good template for us.
Thanks!
Best,
Yingyi
[1] http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#chair
[2]
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201211.mbox/%3CCACO5Y4xVziOzxB-bQCqO+tSgTJuGv+xBeYd-Lxu1LhiSyLo+_Q@mail.gmail.com%3E
On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 7:42 AM, Sandeep Joshi <sa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Mike,
>
> I asked because I wanted to ascertain how quickly a newcomer outside the
> UCI circle can come up to speed with the vast asterixdb code-base.
>
> I don't want to hijack this thread so maybe we can start another thread.
> I am interested in knowing how one could gain proficiency in participating
> in asterixdb development. What design patterns should one keep in mind,
> what hasn't worked historically, what sequence of tasks can one take on to
> learn about various parts of the system, etc.
>
> -Sandeep
>
> On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 7:36 PM, Mike Carey <dt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > And I would guess there are at least 5 individuals with 10+ years of
> > industrial experience (apiece) on the current team, if that's one of the
> > reasons for the inquiry, with a handful more probably in the 2-5-ish
> years
> > range. :-)
> >
> > On 3/15/16 9:32 PM, Till Westmann wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Sandeep,
> >>
> >> On 15 Mar 2016, at 19:13, Sandeep Joshi wrote:
> >>
> >> I am curious to know how many committers are from outside the academic
> >>> circle (i.e. those who have not worked in the past on Asterixdb at UC
> >>> Irvine or other academic institutions ) ?
> >>>
> >> I think that the current number committers without academic UC heritage
> >> is 3 (it’s an educated guess as I don’t know the CVs of the committers).
> >> Actually, a nice number for a project that was a university project 12
> >> months ago.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Till
> >>
> >
> >
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation from the incubator
Posted by Sandeep Joshi <sa...@gmail.com>.
Mike,
I asked because I wanted to ascertain how quickly a newcomer outside the
UCI circle can come up to speed with the vast asterixdb code-base.
I don't want to hijack this thread so maybe we can start another thread.
I am interested in knowing how one could gain proficiency in participating
in asterixdb development. What design patterns should one keep in mind,
what hasn't worked historically, what sequence of tasks can one take on to
learn about various parts of the system, etc.
-Sandeep
On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 7:36 PM, Mike Carey <dt...@gmail.com> wrote:
> And I would guess there are at least 5 individuals with 10+ years of
> industrial experience (apiece) on the current team, if that's one of the
> reasons for the inquiry, with a handful more probably in the 2-5-ish years
> range. :-)
>
> On 3/15/16 9:32 PM, Till Westmann wrote:
>
>> Hi Sandeep,
>>
>> On 15 Mar 2016, at 19:13, Sandeep Joshi wrote:
>>
>> I am curious to know how many committers are from outside the academic
>>> circle (i.e. those who have not worked in the past on Asterixdb at UC
>>> Irvine or other academic institutions ) ?
>>>
>> I think that the current number committers without academic UC heritage
>> is 3 (it’s an educated guess as I don’t know the CVs of the committers).
>> Actually, a nice number for a project that was a university project 12
>> months ago.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Till
>>
>
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation from the incubator
Posted by Mike Carey <dt...@gmail.com>.
And I would guess there are at least 5 individuals with 10+ years of
industrial experience (apiece) on the current team, if that's one of the
reasons for the inquiry, with a handful more probably in the 2-5-ish
years range. :-)
On 3/15/16 9:32 PM, Till Westmann wrote:
> Hi Sandeep,
>
> On 15 Mar 2016, at 19:13, Sandeep Joshi wrote:
>
>> I am curious to know how many committers are from outside the academic
>> circle (i.e. those who have not worked in the past on Asterixdb at UC
>> Irvine or other academic institutions ) ?
> I think that the current number committers without academic UC heritage
> is 3 (it’s an educated guess as I don’t know the CVs of the committers).
> Actually, a nice number for a project that was a university project 12
> months ago.
>
> Cheers,
> Till
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation from the incubator
Posted by Till Westmann <ti...@apache.org>.
Hi Sandeep,
On 15 Mar 2016, at 19:13, Sandeep Joshi wrote:
> I am curious to know how many committers are from outside the academic
> circle (i.e. those who have not worked in the past on Asterixdb at UC
> Irvine or other academic institutions ) ?
I think that the current number committers without academic UC heritage
is 3 (it’s an educated guess as I don’t know the CVs of the committers).
Actually, a nice number for a project that was a university project 12
months ago.
Cheers,
Till
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation from the incubator
Posted by Sandeep Joshi <sa...@gmail.com>.
On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 5:04 AM, Till Westmann <ti...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> AsterixDB started incubating a little more than a year ago (2015-02-28).
> Since then we have shipped 2 incubating Apache releases for AsterixDB and
> Hyracks:
>
> - Apache AsterixDB 0.8.7-incubating (2015-10-22) and Hyracks
> 0.2.16-incubating (2015-09-22)
> - Apache AsterixDB 0.8.8-incubating (2016-02-26) and Hyracks
> 0.2.17-incubating (2016-02-26)
>
> The 0.8.7 release provided licensing information for the source artifacts,
> and the 0.8.8 release provided licensing information for both source and
> binary artifacts. While the LICENSE and NOTICE files for all artifacts are
> not yet perfect [1][2], we have improved our understanding significantly
> and we were able to check the last open item (Verify distribution rights)
> on the incubation status page [3] off with the 0.8.8 release.
>
> The AsterixDB community today is open and very active and distributed over
> several continents. Individual merit is honored in discussions, but
> discussions are never exclusive or hostile. Also, the AsterixDB community
> has grown, and Chris Hillery (2015-10-20) and Heri Ramampiaro (2016-01-16)
> have both been added as committers since incubation began.
>
I am curious to know how many committers are from outside the academic
circle (i.e. those who have not worked in the past on Asterixdb at UC
Irvine or other academic institutions ) ?
-Sandeep
>
> It seems to me that the AsterixDB community is in pretty good shape and
> would be able to sustain and govern itself as a TLP.
>
> Thoughts? Concerns?
>
> Thanks,
> Till
>
> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ASTERIXDB-1319
> [2] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ASTERIXDB-1320
> [3] http://incubator.apache.org/projects/asterixdb.html
>