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T5: beta?
Hi,
any news about coming beta?
Angelo
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Re: T5: beta?
Posted by Rob Smeets <rb...@gmail.com>.
But there is an unofficial announcement at http://tapestryjava.blogspot.com/
.
I'm impatiently waiting for an official announcement at theserverside.com,
at least if Howard dares.
Rob
On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 2:04 PM, Francois Armand <fa...@linagora.com>
wrote:
> Angelo Chen wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > any news about coming beta?
> >
> >
> 5.0.11 is tagged beta, but I didn't see any "official" annonce of that.
>
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Re: T5: beta?
Posted by Joshua Jackson <jo...@gmail.com>.
On 4/10/08, Howard Lewis Ship <hl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I fully intend to do a full sweep of any low-hanging fruit (i.e., easy
> bugs with code and tests that won't destabilize things).
>
> I've been travelling and working on a client project, which has slowed
> things a bit.
>
> I had a very nice Tapestry 5 session at the Danvers NFJS. I think I
> may need to rename the session from "Introduction to Tapestr 5" to
> "Tapestry 5: Shock and Awe". :-)
Unbelievable Howard,
For this kind of quality you still call it Beta. Even from the early
release it has been stable. :-D I can't imagine how good it is when it
reach GA. You deserve all the praise. Great job :) I can't thank you
enough
Cheers,
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Re: T5: beta?
Posted by Howard Lewis Ship <hl...@gmail.com>.
I fully intend to do a full sweep of any low-hanging fruit (i.e., easy
bugs with code and tests that won't destabilize things).
I've been travelling and working on a client project, which has slowed
things a bit.
I had a very nice Tapestry 5 session at the Danvers NFJS. I think I
may need to rename the session from "Introduction to Tapestr 5" to
"Tapestry 5: Shock and Awe". :-)
On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 11:49 AM, Fernando Padilla <fe...@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
> Whenever there is talk of cutting a new release I wonder about my small bugs
> sitting out there :)
>
> I filed a bug to add more getters/setters to the Element class (or Node
> class). Did you see that? It should be a really easy fix, and allow more
> powerful Mixins and MarkupRenderFilters. :)
>
>
>
>
> Howard Lewis Ship wrote:
>
> > We're still not making a big deal; the transition from alpha to beta
> > affects us more than the rest of the world. I think we'll probably
> > start seeing a new branch for 5.0 work and a switch-over of trunk to
> > 5.1 pretty soon.
> >
> > In the meantime, I'm using 5.0.12 for a client project and finding a
> > fair amount of rough edges and minor bugs. I'd just as soon take care
> > of those in parallel with the client project since the end result is a
> > far more useable and finished 5.0 final.
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 9:05 AM, Hugo Palma <hu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Or get a bigger monitor :o)
> > >
> > >
> > > Francois Armand wrote:
> > > > Hugo Palma wrote:
> > > >> You mean other than
> > > >> http://tapestry.apache.org/news.html#Tapestry%205.0.11%20is%20beta
> and
> > > >> the fact that Tapestry 5 in the home page now shows up as "Tapestry
> 5
> > > >> (beta)" ?
> > > >>
> > > > Oups :) Perhaps should I change my glasses :)
> > > >
> > >
> > >
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Re: T5: beta?
Posted by Fernando Padilla <fe...@alum.mit.edu>.
Whenever there is talk of cutting a new release I wonder about my small
bugs sitting out there :)
I filed a bug to add more getters/setters to the Element class (or Node
class). Did you see that? It should be a really easy fix, and allow
more powerful Mixins and MarkupRenderFilters. :)
Howard Lewis Ship wrote:
> We're still not making a big deal; the transition from alpha to beta
> affects us more than the rest of the world. I think we'll probably
> start seeing a new branch for 5.0 work and a switch-over of trunk to
> 5.1 pretty soon.
>
> In the meantime, I'm using 5.0.12 for a client project and finding a
> fair amount of rough edges and minor bugs. I'd just as soon take care
> of those in parallel with the client project since the end result is a
> far more useable and finished 5.0 final.
>
> On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 9:05 AM, Hugo Palma <hu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Or get a bigger monitor :o)
>>
>>
>> Francois Armand wrote:
>> > Hugo Palma wrote:
>> >> You mean other than
>> >> http://tapestry.apache.org/news.html#Tapestry%205.0.11%20is%20beta and
>> >> the fact that Tapestry 5 in the home page now shows up as "Tapestry 5
>> >> (beta)" ?
>> >>
>> > Oups :) Perhaps should I change my glasses :)
>> >
>>
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RE: T5: beta?
Posted by Jonathan Barker <jo...@gmail.com>.
Rob,
We're making headway.
So, you acknowledge that Tapestry is a good framework. Your major complaint
is the lack of backward compatibility between major releases. I don't think
anyone in the community will disagree that this is an annoyance, so it comes
down to whether or not it is acceptable for each user.
Six years ago I built an application for a client using plain servlets,
JSP's, entity and stateful session EJB's, RMI, and other fun stuff. It
served my client well in spite of some "sharp edges". Last year, they
wanted to re-invest and I scrapped the whole UI and redid it with Tapestry,
and replaced the entity EJB's with Hibernate. It was the most
cost-effective way of moving forward even though I threw out 75% of the
code. This year, I moved from T4->T5 as they continue to re-invest, and it
makes more money for them.
Should I have stayed with the old technology? Not a chance. But it's only
been six years! (at the time, it was only 4.5 years)
You state that there are better frameworks. I'm sure that there are for some
kinds of problems, and that is where users must evaluate their options. As
a blanket statement it cannot be accurate.
So now comes the big question:
Given that you point out the obvious with regard to backward compatibility,
you have no intention of using Tapestry for serious work, you do not give
assistance to users, nor do you request assistance from other users, why do
you post to this list?
I evaluated Struts at one point, and I have a book on shelf about Struts. I
can't imagine hanging out on their user list saying, "Get out of the stone
age, use Tapestry instead!" That's how I feel about Struts, but I trust
that each Struts user is there because THE LIST suits their needs.
Seriously Rob, what is your motivation?
Jonathan
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rob Smeets [mailto:rb.smeets@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 10:41 AM
> To: Tapestry users
> Subject: Re: T5: beta?
>
> Well, I'm not disputing the fact that Tapestry is a good framework but all
> what I'm saying is the fact that at every major release there must be a
> whole rewrite from scratch with little or no regard to backward
> compatibility seems to me not a tool for prime time, or serious stuffs
> besides a Hello world applications. I consider Tapestry a tool for
> experimentation at the labs or schools where students are knowledge hungry
> to learn new things. If your business is based on a model that looks into
> the future then I'm afraid you'll be sorry to go with Tapestry. Because
> every year when you want to benefit from the evolution in Webframework
> technology, you'll have to start all over again- in otherwords throw away
> your earlier investment. Tapestry is good but there are far more better
> and
> excellent frameworks out there with genius people behind it that at each
> major release they face the challenge of backward compatibility head on
> and
> make everyone happy. They don't choose the easy route of starting all over
> again. That one even first year computer science students can do.
>
> Your's friendly,
>
> Rob
>
> On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 3:09 PM, Jonathan Barker <
> jonathan.theitguy@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Rob,
> >
> > You may have a point or two.
> >
> > That what you describe as one of the best Internet applications has beta
> > status suggests that some beta code is as good as / better that other
> > production code. I would have to agree. I've had production apps
> running
> > on Tapestry alpha code for some time.
> >
> > The length of time that Gmail has been in beta is, however, a cop-out.
> To
> > me, it's Google's way of saying, "Don't blame us." Come on Google,
> stand
> > behind your application! I suspect that will change as they market more
> > heavily to small business.
> >
> > It would have been more useful had you picked another application
> > framework
> > to compare to Tapestry for stability and time in beta. Perhaps next
> time.
> >
> > That you personally don't do anything with Tapestry beyond a Hello World
> > application... oh, never mind, that's too easy a target.
> >
> > FYI, .02 cent = $0.0002
> >
> > Jonathan
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Rob Smeets [mailto:rb.smeets@gmail.com]
> > > Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 8:06 AM
> > > To: Tapestry users
> > > Subject: Re: T5: beta?
> > >
> > > Guys, stop the exagerations. Gmail, one of the best Internet
> application
> > > ever written still has a beta status. Unlike Tapestry, Gmail has had
> > the
> > > beta status for years and would therefore trust it more than Tapestry
> > > which
> > > I personally won't do anything serious with it beyond a little bit
> more
> > > advanced Hello world application.
> > >
> > > My .02 cent.
> > >
> > > Rob
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 10:55 AM, Blower, Andy
> > > <An...@proquest.co.uk>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > The fact that you're using T5 in the real world at this beta stage
> is
> > > very
> > > > good news for the upcoming release IMO, even if it delays the RC a
> > bit.
> > > (not
> > > > too much though I hope ;-)
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Howard Lewis Ship [mailto:hlship@gmail.com]
> > > > > Sent: 09 April 2008 19:32
> > > > > To: Tapestry users
> > > > > Subject: Re: T5: beta?
> > > > >
> > > > > We're still not making a big deal; the transition from alpha to
> beta
> > > > > affects us more than the rest of the world. I think we'll
> probably
> > > > > start seeing a new branch for 5.0 work and a switch-over of trunk
> to
> > > > > 5.1 pretty soon.
> > > > >
> > > > > In the meantime, I'm using 5.0.12 for a client project and finding
> a
> > > > > fair amount of rough edges and minor bugs. I'd just as soon take
> > care
> > > > > of those in parallel with the client project since the end result
> is
> > a
> > > > > far more useable and finished 5.0 final.
> > > > >
> > > >
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Re: T5: beta?
Posted by Davor Hrg <hr...@gmail.com>.
Would you give up already,
you are not a tapestry user,
tapestry 5 is very well documented, has a great mailing list,
has exhaustive unit tests...
If I don't like some framework, I don't use it and that's it.
Please have some respect to tapestry users and go away already.
Davor Hrg
On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 4:41 PM, Rob Smeets <rb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, I'm not disputing the fact that Tapestry is a good framework but all
> what I'm saying is the fact that at every major release there must be a
> whole rewrite from scratch with little or no regard to backward
> compatibility seems to me not a tool for prime time, or serious stuffs
> besides a Hello world applications. I consider Tapestry a tool for
> experimentation at the labs or schools where students are knowledge hungry
> to learn new things. If your business is based on a model that looks into
> the future then I'm afraid you'll be sorry to go with Tapestry. Because
> every year when you want to benefit from the evolution in Webframework
> technology, you'll have to start all over again- in otherwords throw away
> your earlier investment. Tapestry is good but there are far more better
> and
> excellent frameworks out there with genius people behind it that at each
> major release they face the challenge of backward compatibility head on
> and
> make everyone happy. They don't choose the easy route of starting all over
> again. That one even first year computer science students can do.
>
> Your's friendly,
>
> Rob
>
> On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 3:09 PM, Jonathan Barker <
> jonathan.theitguy@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Rob,
> >
> > You may have a point or two.
> >
> > That what you describe as one of the best Internet applications has beta
> > status suggests that some beta code is as good as / better that other
> > production code. I would have to agree. I've had production apps
> running
> > on Tapestry alpha code for some time.
> >
> > The length of time that Gmail has been in beta is, however, a cop-out.
> To
> > me, it's Google's way of saying, "Don't blame us." Come on Google,
> stand
> > behind your application! I suspect that will change as they market more
> > heavily to small business.
> >
> > It would have been more useful had you picked another application
> > framework
> > to compare to Tapestry for stability and time in beta. Perhaps next
> time.
> >
> > That you personally don't do anything with Tapestry beyond a Hello World
> > application... oh, never mind, that's too easy a target.
> >
> > FYI, .02 cent = $0.0002
> >
> > Jonathan
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Rob Smeets [mailto:rb.smeets@gmail.com]
> > > Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 8:06 AM
> > > To: Tapestry users
> > > Subject: Re: T5: beta?
> > >
> > > Guys, stop the exagerations. Gmail, one of the best Internet
> application
> > > ever written still has a beta status. Unlike Tapestry, Gmail has had
> > the
> > > beta status for years and would therefore trust it more than Tapestry
> > > which
> > > I personally won't do anything serious with it beyond a little bit
> more
> > > advanced Hello world application.
> > >
> > > My .02 cent.
> > >
> > > Rob
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 10:55 AM, Blower, Andy
> > > <An...@proquest.co.uk>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > The fact that you're using T5 in the real world at this beta stage
> is
> > > very
> > > > good news for the upcoming release IMO, even if it delays the RC a
> > bit.
> > > (not
> > > > too much though I hope ;-)
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Howard Lewis Ship [mailto:hlship@gmail.com]
> > > > > Sent: 09 April 2008 19:32
> > > > > To: Tapestry users
> > > > > Subject: Re: T5: beta?
> > > > >
> > > > > We're still not making a big deal; the transition from alpha to
> beta
> > > > > affects us more than the rest of the world. I think we'll
> probably
> > > > > start seeing a new branch for 5.0 work and a switch-over of trunk
> to
> > > > > 5.1 pretty soon.
> > > > >
> > > > > In the meantime, I'm using 5.0.12 for a client project and finding
> a
> > > > > fair amount of rough edges and minor bugs. I'd just as soon take
> > care
> > > > > of those in parallel with the client project since the end result
> is
> > a
> > > > > far more useable and finished 5.0 final.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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> > > >
> > > >
> >
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Re: T5: beta?
Posted by Rob Smeets <rb...@gmail.com>.
Well, I'm not disputing the fact that Tapestry is a good framework but all
what I'm saying is the fact that at every major release there must be a
whole rewrite from scratch with little or no regard to backward
compatibility seems to me not a tool for prime time, or serious stuffs
besides a Hello world applications. I consider Tapestry a tool for
experimentation at the labs or schools where students are knowledge hungry
to learn new things. If your business is based on a model that looks into
the future then I'm afraid you'll be sorry to go with Tapestry. Because
every year when you want to benefit from the evolution in Webframework
technology, you'll have to start all over again- in otherwords throw away
your earlier investment. Tapestry is good but there are far more better and
excellent frameworks out there with genius people behind it that at each
major release they face the challenge of backward compatibility head on and
make everyone happy. They don't choose the easy route of starting all over
again. That one even first year computer science students can do.
Your's friendly,
Rob
On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 3:09 PM, Jonathan Barker <
jonathan.theitguy@gmail.com> wrote:
> Rob,
>
> You may have a point or two.
>
> That what you describe as one of the best Internet applications has beta
> status suggests that some beta code is as good as / better that other
> production code. I would have to agree. I've had production apps running
> on Tapestry alpha code for some time.
>
> The length of time that Gmail has been in beta is, however, a cop-out. To
> me, it's Google's way of saying, "Don't blame us." Come on Google, stand
> behind your application! I suspect that will change as they market more
> heavily to small business.
>
> It would have been more useful had you picked another application
> framework
> to compare to Tapestry for stability and time in beta. Perhaps next time.
>
> That you personally don't do anything with Tapestry beyond a Hello World
> application... oh, never mind, that's too easy a target.
>
> FYI, .02 cent = $0.0002
>
> Jonathan
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rob Smeets [mailto:rb.smeets@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 8:06 AM
> > To: Tapestry users
> > Subject: Re: T5: beta?
> >
> > Guys, stop the exagerations. Gmail, one of the best Internet application
> > ever written still has a beta status. Unlike Tapestry, Gmail has had
> the
> > beta status for years and would therefore trust it more than Tapestry
> > which
> > I personally won't do anything serious with it beyond a little bit more
> > advanced Hello world application.
> >
> > My .02 cent.
> >
> > Rob
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 10:55 AM, Blower, Andy
> > <An...@proquest.co.uk>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > The fact that you're using T5 in the real world at this beta stage is
> > very
> > > good news for the upcoming release IMO, even if it delays the RC a
> bit.
> > (not
> > > too much though I hope ;-)
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Howard Lewis Ship [mailto:hlship@gmail.com]
> > > > Sent: 09 April 2008 19:32
> > > > To: Tapestry users
> > > > Subject: Re: T5: beta?
> > > >
> > > > We're still not making a big deal; the transition from alpha to beta
> > > > affects us more than the rest of the world. I think we'll probably
> > > > start seeing a new branch for 5.0 work and a switch-over of trunk to
> > > > 5.1 pretty soon.
> > > >
> > > > In the meantime, I'm using 5.0.12 for a client project and finding a
> > > > fair amount of rough edges and minor bugs. I'd just as soon take
> care
> > > > of those in parallel with the client project since the end result is
> a
> > > > far more useable and finished 5.0 final.
> > > >
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscribe@tapestry.apache.org
> > > For additional commands, e-mail: users-help@tapestry.apache.org
> > >
> > >
>
>
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RE: T5: beta?
Posted by Jonathan Barker <jo...@gmail.com>.
Rob,
You may have a point or two.
That what you describe as one of the best Internet applications has beta
status suggests that some beta code is as good as / better that other
production code. I would have to agree. I've had production apps running
on Tapestry alpha code for some time.
The length of time that Gmail has been in beta is, however, a cop-out. To
me, it's Google's way of saying, "Don't blame us." Come on Google, stand
behind your application! I suspect that will change as they market more
heavily to small business.
It would have been more useful had you picked another application framework
to compare to Tapestry for stability and time in beta. Perhaps next time.
That you personally don't do anything with Tapestry beyond a Hello World
application... oh, never mind, that's too easy a target.
FYI, .02 cent = $0.0002
Jonathan
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rob Smeets [mailto:rb.smeets@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 8:06 AM
> To: Tapestry users
> Subject: Re: T5: beta?
>
> Guys, stop the exagerations. Gmail, one of the best Internet application
> ever written still has a beta status. Unlike Tapestry, Gmail has had the
> beta status for years and would therefore trust it more than Tapestry
> which
> I personally won't do anything serious with it beyond a little bit more
> advanced Hello world application.
>
> My .02 cent.
>
> Rob
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 10:55 AM, Blower, Andy
> <An...@proquest.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> > The fact that you're using T5 in the real world at this beta stage is
> very
> > good news for the upcoming release IMO, even if it delays the RC a bit.
> (not
> > too much though I hope ;-)
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Howard Lewis Ship [mailto:hlship@gmail.com]
> > > Sent: 09 April 2008 19:32
> > > To: Tapestry users
> > > Subject: Re: T5: beta?
> > >
> > > We're still not making a big deal; the transition from alpha to beta
> > > affects us more than the rest of the world. I think we'll probably
> > > start seeing a new branch for 5.0 work and a switch-over of trunk to
> > > 5.1 pretty soon.
> > >
> > > In the meantime, I'm using 5.0.12 for a client project and finding a
> > > fair amount of rough edges and minor bugs. I'd just as soon take care
> > > of those in parallel with the client project since the end result is a
> > > far more useable and finished 5.0 final.
> > >
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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Re: T5: beta?
Posted by Davor Hrg <hr...@gmail.com>.
Please ignore him (I personaly have hard time doing so),
he has not yet had any technical comment or question,
he only comes here from time to time to bash on tapestry (reasons unknown).
Davor Hrg
On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 2:22 PM, Joachim Van der Auwera <jo...@progs.be>
wrote:
> Well Rob, that is your personal opinion.
>
> I personally have no problems building applications which require high
> reliability on tapestry. It is a very nice framework to build applications
> on.
>
> Whether the "beta" or "release" status are important is mostly a political
> discussion (some companies only allow officially released versions to be
> used), and partly an indication of interface stability.
>
> Whenever you build an application, based on whatever libraries or
> frameworks, it is up to you to build the confidence required to trust your
> application's functioning. This is typically done with unit and integration
> test. It is however a big bonus if the libraries and frameworks in use have
> their own testing in place. This is very much the case for tapestry. There
> is a lot of stuff out there which has no or very limited test infrastructure
> in place and is still considered "release quality".
>
> Joachim
>
>
> Rob Smeets wrote:
>
> > Guys, stop the exagerations. Gmail, one of the best Internet application
> > ever written still has a beta status. Unlike Tapestry, Gmail has had
> > the
> > beta status for years and would therefore trust it more than Tapestry
> > which
> > I personally won't do anything serious with it beyond a little bit more
> > advanced Hello world application.
> >
> > My .02 cent.
> >
> > Rob
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 10:55 AM, Blower, Andy <
> > Andrew.Blower@proquest.co.uk>
> > wrote
> >
> > > The fact that you're using T5 in the real world at this beta stage is
> > > very
> > > good news for the upcoming release IMO, even if it delays the RC a
> > > bit. (not
> > > too much though I hope ;-)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Howard Lewis Ship [mailto:hlship@gmail.com]
> > > > Sent: 09 April 2008 19:32
> > > > To: Tapestry users
> > > > Subject: Re: T5: beta?
> > > >
> > > > We're still not making a big deal; the transition from alpha to beta
> > > > affects us more than the rest of the world. I think we'll probably
> > > > start seeing a new branch for 5.0 work and a switch-over of trunk to
> > > > 5.1 pretty soon.
> > > >
> > > > In the meantime, I'm using 5.0.12 for a client project and finding a
> > > > fair amount of rough edges and minor bugs. I'd just as soon take
> > > > care
> > > > of those in parallel with the client project since the end result is
> > > > a
> > > > far more useable and finished 5.0 final.
> > > >
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Re: T5: beta?
Posted by Joachim Van der Auwera <jo...@progs.be>.
Well Rob, that is your personal opinion.
I personally have no problems building applications which require high
reliability on tapestry. It is a very nice framework to build
applications on.
Whether the "beta" or "release" status are important is mostly a
political discussion (some companies only allow officially released
versions to be used), and partly an indication of interface stability.
Whenever you build an application, based on whatever libraries or
frameworks, it is up to you to build the confidence required to trust
your application's functioning. This is typically done with unit and
integration test. It is however a big bonus if the libraries and
frameworks in use have their own testing in place. This is very much the
case for tapestry. There is a lot of stuff out there which has no or
very limited test infrastructure in place and is still considered
"release quality".
Joachim
Rob Smeets wrote:
> Guys, stop the exagerations. Gmail, one of the best Internet application
> ever written still has a beta status. Unlike Tapestry, Gmail has had the
> beta status for years and would therefore trust it more than Tapestry which
> I personally won't do anything serious with it beyond a little bit more
> advanced Hello world application.
>
> My .02 cent.
>
> Rob
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 10:55 AM, Blower, Andy <An...@proquest.co.uk>
> wrote
>> The fact that you're using T5 in the real world at this beta stage is very
>> good news for the upcoming release IMO, even if it delays the RC a bit. (not
>> too much though I hope ;-)
>>
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Howard Lewis Ship [mailto:hlship@gmail.com]
>>> Sent: 09 April 2008 19:32
>>> To: Tapestry users
>>> Subject: Re: T5: beta?
>>>
>>> We're still not making a big deal; the transition from alpha to beta
>>> affects us more than the rest of the world. I think we'll probably
>>> start seeing a new branch for 5.0 work and a switch-over of trunk to
>>> 5.1 pretty soon.
>>>
>>> In the meantime, I'm using 5.0.12 for a client project and finding a
>>> fair amount of rough edges and minor bugs. I'd just as soon take care
>>> of those in parallel with the client project since the end result is a
>>> far more useable and finished 5.0 final.
>>>
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Re: T5: beta?
Posted by Chris Lewis <ch...@bellsouth.net>.
Wow, you are right! I'll consider using gmail as the framework for my
next application...
Rob Smeets wrote:
> Guys, stop the exagerations. Gmail, one of the best Internet application
> ever written still has a beta status. Unlike Tapestry, Gmail has had the
> beta status for years and would therefore trust it more than Tapestry which
> I personally won't do anything serious with it beyond a little bit more
> advanced Hello world application.
>
> My .02 cent.
>
> Rob
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 10:55 AM, Blower, Andy <An...@proquest.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>
>> The fact that you're using T5 in the real world at this beta stage is very
>> good news for the upcoming release IMO, even if it delays the RC a bit. (not
>> too much though I hope ;-)
>>
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Howard Lewis Ship [mailto:hlship@gmail.com]
>>> Sent: 09 April 2008 19:32
>>> To: Tapestry users
>>> Subject: Re: T5: beta?
>>>
>>> We're still not making a big deal; the transition from alpha to beta
>>> affects us more than the rest of the world. I think we'll probably
>>> start seeing a new branch for 5.0 work and a switch-over of trunk to
>>> 5.1 pretty soon.
>>>
>>> In the meantime, I'm using 5.0.12 for a client project and finding a
>>> fair amount of rough edges and minor bugs. I'd just as soon take care
>>> of those in parallel with the client project since the end result is a
>>> far more useable and finished 5.0 final.
>>>
>>>
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Re: T5: beta?
Posted by Rob Smeets <rb...@gmail.com>.
Guys, stop the exagerations. Gmail, one of the best Internet application
ever written still has a beta status. Unlike Tapestry, Gmail has had the
beta status for years and would therefore trust it more than Tapestry which
I personally won't do anything serious with it beyond a little bit more
advanced Hello world application.
My .02 cent.
Rob
On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 10:55 AM, Blower, Andy <An...@proquest.co.uk>
wrote:
> The fact that you're using T5 in the real world at this beta stage is very
> good news for the upcoming release IMO, even if it delays the RC a bit. (not
> too much though I hope ;-)
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Howard Lewis Ship [mailto:hlship@gmail.com]
> > Sent: 09 April 2008 19:32
> > To: Tapestry users
> > Subject: Re: T5: beta?
> >
> > We're still not making a big deal; the transition from alpha to beta
> > affects us more than the rest of the world. I think we'll probably
> > start seeing a new branch for 5.0 work and a switch-over of trunk to
> > 5.1 pretty soon.
> >
> > In the meantime, I'm using 5.0.12 for a client project and finding a
> > fair amount of rough edges and minor bugs. I'd just as soon take care
> > of those in parallel with the client project since the end result is a
> > far more useable and finished 5.0 final.
> >
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RE: T5: beta?
Posted by "Blower, Andy" <An...@proquest.co.uk>.
The fact that you're using T5 in the real world at this beta stage is very good news for the upcoming release IMO, even if it delays the RC a bit. (not too much though I hope ;-)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Howard Lewis Ship [mailto:hlship@gmail.com]
> Sent: 09 April 2008 19:32
> To: Tapestry users
> Subject: Re: T5: beta?
>
> We're still not making a big deal; the transition from alpha to beta
> affects us more than the rest of the world. I think we'll probably
> start seeing a new branch for 5.0 work and a switch-over of trunk to
> 5.1 pretty soon.
>
> In the meantime, I'm using 5.0.12 for a client project and finding a
> fair amount of rough edges and minor bugs. I'd just as soon take care
> of those in parallel with the client project since the end result is a
> far more useable and finished 5.0 final.
>
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Re: T5: beta?
Posted by Angelo Chen <an...@yahoo.com.hk>.
Hi Howard,
Good to hear that you are putting this in a real test, just like ruby on
rails, it was said to be extracted from a real project and it should have
been working since day 1, that's the selling point. and T5 added more cycles
to that, after alpha, real project, then beta.
Talking about 5.0.12, I'm hesitant to upgrade to that as i read somewhere
that Tapestry-Hibernate is no longer does the commit at end of the session,
will that affect existing programs? do we have to go over all pages and add
a commit? Thanks,
Angelo
Howard Lewis Ship wrote:
>
>
> In the meantime, I'm using 5.0.12 for a client project and finding a
> fair amount of rough edges and minor bugs. I'd just as soon take care
> of those in parallel with the client project since the end result is a
> far more useable and finished 5.0 final.
>
> On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 9:05 AM, Hugo Palma <hu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
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Re: T5: beta?
Posted by Howard Lewis Ship <hl...@gmail.com>.
We're still not making a big deal; the transition from alpha to beta
affects us more than the rest of the world. I think we'll probably
start seeing a new branch for 5.0 work and a switch-over of trunk to
5.1 pretty soon.
In the meantime, I'm using 5.0.12 for a client project and finding a
fair amount of rough edges and minor bugs. I'd just as soon take care
of those in parallel with the client project since the end result is a
far more useable and finished 5.0 final.
On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 9:05 AM, Hugo Palma <hu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Or get a bigger monitor :o)
>
>
> Francois Armand wrote:
> > Hugo Palma wrote:
> >> You mean other than
> >> http://tapestry.apache.org/news.html#Tapestry%205.0.11%20is%20beta and
> >> the fact that Tapestry 5 in the home page now shows up as "Tapestry 5
> >> (beta)" ?
> >>
> > Oups :) Perhaps should I change my glasses :)
> >
>
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Re: T5: beta?
Posted by Hugo Palma <hu...@gmail.com>.
Or get a bigger monitor :o)
Francois Armand wrote:
> Hugo Palma wrote:
>> You mean other than
>> http://tapestry.apache.org/news.html#Tapestry%205.0.11%20is%20beta and
>> the fact that Tapestry 5 in the home page now shows up as "Tapestry 5
>> (beta)" ?
>>
> Oups :) Perhaps should I change my glasses :)
>
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Re: T5: beta?
Posted by Francois Armand <fa...@linagora.com>.
Hugo Palma wrote:
> You mean other than
> http://tapestry.apache.org/news.html#Tapestry%205.0.11%20is%20beta and
> the fact that Tapestry 5 in the home page now shows up as "Tapestry 5
> (beta)" ?
>
Oups :) Perhaps should I change my glasses :)
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Re: T5: beta?
Posted by Hugo Palma <hu...@gmail.com>.
You mean other than
http://tapestry.apache.org/news.html#Tapestry%205.0.11%20is%20beta and
the fact that Tapestry 5 in the home page now shows up as "Tapestry 5
(beta)" ?
Francois Armand wrote:
> Angelo Chen wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> any news about coming beta?
>>
> 5.0.11 is tagged beta, but I didn't see any "official" annonce of that.
>
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Re: T5: beta?
Posted by Francois Armand <fa...@linagora.com>.
Angelo Chen wrote:
> Hi,
>
> any news about coming beta?
>
5.0.11 is tagged beta, but I didn't see any "official" annonce of that.
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