Re: [ACTION REQUIRED] Disabling captcha

[Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>]

https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-2561

On Thu, 10 Dec 2020 at 11:48, Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com> wrote:

> there is plenty of time
> even JIRA is not created :))
>
> On Thu, 10 Dec 2020 at 11:43, Ali Alhaidary <al...@the5stars.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Yes, you may use it for Farsi and Urdu as well.
>>
>> 05D0-05EA for Hebrew
>>
>> But, give me some time for 'Kurdish' as users are mostly using 'Kurdish
>> Sorani' and not 'Kurdish Kurmanji'
>>
>> On 12/10/20 6:55 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>>
>> Is it for Arabic only? (maybe it also will work for Persian) ?
>>
>> On Thu, 10 Dec 2020 at 10:33, Ali Alhaidary <al...@the5stars.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> 0627-063A
>>>
>>> This the common range as other characters are scattered in the table and
>>> can not be in one range...
>>>
>>> https://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U0600.pdf
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/10/20 6:21 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>>>
>>> please re-read my post
>>>
>>> especially this part:
>>> *If 'A'-'Z' is not appropriate for your language, please send me the
>>> range specific to your language*
>>> *NOTE: this should be the range i.e. unicode code for first letter
>>> should be less than code for the second one*
>>> *codes can be checked for ex. here http://www.unicode.org/charts/
>>> <http://www.unicode.org/charts/>*
>>>
>>> For Arabic the above mean:
>>> 1) go to http://www.unicode.org/charts/
>>> 2) choose `Arabic`
>>> 3) send me the range for ex:
>>>         start (code 0621)  ء
>>>         end (code 064A)  ي
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't think 0-9 is a good idea in general
>>> so you can do this change later on for your local installation
>>>
>>> On Thu, 10 Dec 2020 at 09:41, Ali Alhaidary <al...@the5stars.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> unless 'A-Z' is the same as 'a-z', it will confuse so many users,
>>>> first, they do not use Latin characters, second, 'capital' concept does not
>>>> exist in their alphabets. can it be only numerals '0-9' ?
>>>> On 12/10/20 5:32 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hello All,
>>>>
>>>> the plan will be:
>>>> 1) captcha range will be added to this [1] file
>>>> 2) by default it will be 'A'-'Z'
>>>>
>>>> If 'A'-'Z' is not appropriate for your language, please send me the
>>>> range specific to your language
>>>> NOTE: this should be the range i.e. unicode code for first letter
>>>> should be less than code for the second one
>>>> codes can be checked for ex. here http://www.unicode.org/charts/
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance
>>>>
>>>> [1]
>>>> https://github.com/apache/openmeetings/blob/master/openmeetings-web/src/main/webapp/languages/languages.xml
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, 4 Dec 2020 at 23:59, Robert Savickas <ro...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yes, what I want is that limiting it to only capital letters and
>>>>> informing the user accordingly is a fantastic idea.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2020, 11:54 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Well,
>>>>>> the info text is just a label, site admin can re-translate/customize
>>>>>> it (upgrade might be an issue here ...)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Additionally we might add `captchaStartLetter` `captchaEndLetter` to
>>>>>> every language here
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/openmeetings/blob/master/openmeetings-web/src/main/webapp/languages/languages.xml
>>>>>> with default of 'A'-'Z' for all languages
>>>>>>
>>>>>> site admin can change this (upgrade will still be an issue ...)
>>>>>> WDYT?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Dec 2020 at 13:16, Robert Savickas <ro...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I just realized that I should offer this clarification for some of
>>>>>>> our friends, to avoid any misunderstandings:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "terrific" means "wonderful"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "terrific" does NOT mean "terrible"!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> English is a fun language.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2020, 01:11 Robert Savickas <ro...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Maxim, thank you. That would be terrific! Robert
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2020, 00:39 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Would it help if Capital letters will be used instead of small
>>>>>>>>> ones?
>>>>>>>>> And maybe there will be text like: Captcha consist of English
>>>>>>>>> letters 'A' - 'Z' only ....
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Dec 2020 at 02:49, Robert Savickas <
>>>>>>>>> robsavickas@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Dear Friends,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> My users, some of whom use non-Latin alfabets, have no problem
>>>>>>>>>> with using Latin letters in the captcha.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> My current problem with the captcha, shared by my users is that
>>>>>>>>>> the characters are often hard to recognize. Capital I vesus small l.  Or
>>>>>>>>>> capital I verus ].  Or m versus n. Or g versus q.  Often, the letters are
>>>>>>>>>> sufficiently deformed so as to be difficult not only to Robot, but also to
>>>>>>>>>> Robert and other humans to distinguish.  As a result, several captchas are
>>>>>>>>>> often needed till a person can get it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Granted, it is a terrific tool for teaching folks how to have
>>>>>>>>>> patience, highly recommended. But sometimes, folks are under the time
>>>>>>>>>> pressure to enter the meeting (now, why do they try to connect only in the
>>>>>>>>>> very last minute, that's a separate question)...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>>>>>> Robert
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2020, 08:48 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> the bad news: there seems to be no universal way to determine
>>>>>>>>>>> alphabet by language
>>>>>>>>>>> the ugly news: there are languages without alphabet ....
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> start and end character can be manually specified here
>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/openmeetings/blob/master/openmeetings-web/src/main/webapp/languages/languages.xml
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Another option might be to made this range _optional_
>>>>>>>>>>> so 'a' - 'z' will be used if else is not specified ....
>>>>>>>>>>> Not sure is someone will bother to specify different range ...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> but I'm not sure how good is this idea :(((
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> @Robert what kind of difficulties your user have with the
>>>>>>>>>>> captcha?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 at 20:28, Ali Alhaidary <
>>>>>>>>>>> ali.alhaidary@the5stars.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> We can write the language name on the 'new user' or 'change
>>>>>>>>>>>> password'
>>>>>>>>>>>> screens ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/2/20 4:24 PM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> > It is definitely can be localized
>>>>>>>>>>>> > unfortunately this might lead to issues with guessing the text
>>>>>>>>>>>> > for ex. many letters in Russian looks exactly as in English
>>>>>>>>>>>> but the
>>>>>>>>>>>> > text will not be equal :((
>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> > On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 at 19:05, Ali Alhaidary <
>>>>>>>>>>>> ali.alhaidary@the5stars.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> If no votes are collected, can we localize it?
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/31828048/how-to-set-localization-in-google-recaptcha
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> On 12/2/20 2:59 PM, Ali Alhaidary wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Any more votes?
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> On 12/1/20 2:22 PM, Ali Alhaidary wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> I am with it :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> On 12/1/20 2:58 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> And as usual I'll add such switch if there will be enough
>>>>>>>>>>>> votes for it
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> while I, personally, will not recommend to use it
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 at 13:14, Ali Alhaidary <
>>>>>>>>>>>> ali.alhaidary@the5stars.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> True, one can not always get what he loves :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> On 11/30/20 9:12 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> Well,
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> I'm not a big fan of such "enhancements"
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> with all these options password "can be 'qwerty' again" ....
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 at 12:58, Ali Alhaidary <
>>>>>>>>>>>> ali.alhaidary@the5stars.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> I would love it to be an option like caps and special
>>>>>>>>>>>> characters, especially with the difficulty of RTL users like ours :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> On 11/30/20 8:42 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> Hello Robert,
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> it is currently impossible without code modification
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> On Sun, 29 Nov 2020 at 14:37, Robert Savickas <
>>>>>>>>>>>> robsavickas@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> Dear Maxim,
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> Is there a way to disable captcha when changing the
>>>>>>>>>>>> password? The images are often difficult to read, and many users have to
>>>>>>>>>>>> reset the captcha image a few times, till they finally get it.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> Robert
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020, 01:15 Maxim Solodovnik <
>>>>>>>>>>>> solomax666@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> I have added notifications to OM (as part of
>>>>>>>>>>>> OPENMEETINGS-2190)
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> Could you please  take a look at demo-next and tell me
>>>>>>>>>>>> WDYT?
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> maybe it should be improved somehow?
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> text, icon, anything else :)
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> Maxim
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> --
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>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> Maxim
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