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Posted to dev@openoffice.apache.org by Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net> on 2011/11/01 00:09:56 UTC
Re: Staging OOo Site: Bugs and Improvements
On Oct 31, 2011, at 3:41 PM, Kay Schenk wrote:
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> On 10/31/2011 03:15 PM, Dave Fisher wrote:
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>> On Oct 31, 2011, at 3:04 PM, Kay Schenk wrote:
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>>> 2011/10/31 J�rgen Schmidt<jo...@googlemail.com>
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>>>> On 10/31/11 5:55 AM, Dave Fisher wrote:
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>>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 30, 2011, at 9:37 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> The stuff you are doing is too arcane for me and not where I
>>>>> notice
>>>>>> problems. I notice things in the content itself at the
>>>>>> staging site ( ooo-site.apache.org). I might be able to
>>>>>> learn to edit the ooo/ooo-site pages, but I don't want to get
>>>>>> ahead of myself.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not sure which works better, bugzilla for some, wiki for
>>>>>> others. Just not sure. Is there a bugzilla "project" for
>>>>>> these. www?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Dennis
>>>>>>
>>>>>> PS: Examples - the sort of thing I am noticing
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. I had a lengthy back-and-forth with Larry Rosen on Terms
>>>>>> of Use and have guidance that I think will work with regard
>>>>>> to wiki, forum, and site pages. (Not the same for all of
>>>>>> them.) Also about Trademarks. (What you have at the bottom
>>>>>> of the main pages is close, others need more care. May be a
>>>>>> few variations to use.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Good. I wanted some guidance here. CWiki?
>>>>>
>>>>> Or, let's find the pages and make the changes.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> 2. A Q about the bottom-of-page use of the feather and
>>>>>> mention of "the Apache CMS."
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I've asked trademarks@a.o in general about the look. What's
>>>>> your question? I just sort of came up with it and now I'm
>>>>> asking too.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> 3. Bug on the left of this
>>>>>> page:<http://ooo-site.apache.**org/es/<http://ooo-site.apache.org/es/>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
> above the blue bar.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You mean "We're sorry"? I'm not sure either. There are lots of
>>>>> little flaws like that. URLs are somewhat random, some are
>>>>> fully qualified and others are properly relative. This includes
>>>>> css and js that are not always found. These are the kinds of
>>>>> errors that will take some tedious time to handle.
>>>>>
>>>>> 4. This page, for Downloads, linked from the ES home page, has
>>>>> a PayPal
>>>>>> button and solicits $25 donations for downloads:<
>>>>>> http://ooo-site.apache.org/es/**programa/index.html<http://ooo-site.apache.org/es/programa/index.html>>.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
> The solicitations are for the "oooES" PayPal account.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, I've flagged that as well - Alexandro should be able to
>>>>> explain oooES. I think it is in a similar category to Team
>>>>> OpenOffice. I've found a paypal button in the Greek site to an
>>>>> individual for translation work. Not sure about others yet.
>>>>> I'll know when we're complete. These were all sanctioned at
>>>>> some point and I think the PPMC will need to decide policy in
>>>>> conversation with trademarks@a.o.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> i think it's very confusing to have this individual donation
>>>> places and i would remove them all. Furthermore i would suggest
>>>> that we really rethink our portal "www.openoffice.org" in the
>>>> near future. I don't see the necessity of having too much
>>>> different content on the localized pages. A 1:1 translation of
>>>> the English pages should be ok for all. Maybe each regional page
>>>> can have their own news feed to announce local events but that's
>>>> it. We should keep it simple.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, this is a good idea...IMO.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> All the community work and information specific to regional
>>>> communities should move into the wiki and forum from my point of
>>>> view. Main development work and communication around this is done
>>>> in English anyway.
>>>>
>>>
>>> This was discussed (somewhat) early on. I, like you, felt the N-L
>>> communities might be better served by moving them to the wiki. But,
>>> then the question was -- who should do this? Should anyone (else)
>>> take ownership of these areas?
>>
>> Exactly the correct question. We need to have people from these
>> communities appear and take "ownership" of their site. Once they do
>> then we can suggest that the wiki is better and simple translations
>> of the main OOo site content is best.
>>
>> My current approach is do the sites where interest is expressed or
>> expected because we know people from that part of the community are
>> present on ooo-dev.
>>
>> I'm doing the minimum to get each started. One reason I don't want BZ
>> yet, particularly for these NL sites.
>
> I understand completely. We are just really in the beginning stages of what to with this legacy area and how to use it *now*. Maybe an alternate [DISCUSS] thread or some more work vis a vis the wiki might be in order. There is a LOT to deal with and really I feel that so many of these comments and suggestions are really what I consider missing the "big picture" at this place in time.
The comments and questions about the logo click and "Ajax" / no wrapping certain pages are pertinent regardless of the big picture. I applaud engagement at that level.
Yes, a CWiki is a good idea. If someone would start a page with issues like terms and donation buttons that decisions that then need action that would help.
I am also looking forward to talking with people at Apachecon. And buying some drinks for Infrastructure.
> This is, a "staging" area after all.
>
> I applaud your efforts and feel badly that a lot of what I had done earlier had to be redone, but, well, I guess I was always anticipating a LOT of clean-up before serious discussion.
Thanks. And please don't feel badly. We all had to be patient while waiting for ooo-site and I wasn't paying close attention and neglected to verify.
BTW - kenai2website.sh now includes dos2unix.pl. If the project is already in the ooo-site svn then the kenai export remains in /tmp and you can copy all or most of it over the existing directory.
Regards,
Dave
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>> Regards, Dave
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>>>>
>>>> And i don't think that this is similar to Team OpenOffice.org
>>>> because Team OpenOffice.org was the only official instance that
>>>> was allowed to collect donations from the OOo sites. All others
>>>> were not allowed as far as i know. They were tolerated but not
>>>> more. Don't ask me why, i have never understood this.
>>>>
>>>> well, that is my personal opinion
>>>>
>>>> Juergen
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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