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[jira] Created: (AXIS2-3396) docs & website repeatedly refer to
Eclipse Plugin; but never specify NAME or WHERE IT IS LOCATED.
docs & website repeatedly refer to Eclipse Plugin; but never specify NAME or WHERE IT IS LOCATED.
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Key: AXIS2-3396
URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/AXIS2-3396
Project: Axis 2.0 (Axis2)
Issue Type: Bug
Components: documentation, ide plugins, Tools
Affects Versions: M2
Environment: website
axis2-M2-bin
Reporter: Thomas Whitmore
It's impossible to find. And without specifying either NAME or LOCATION, there's nothing much to search for.
Why not try using a NAME occasionally, when referring to things?
I find that when talking about city-wide public transport, saying you caught the 'BUS' makes it vastly more clear what kind of timetables to search for.
Also, the Eclipse Plugin -- this is referred to 4 or 5x, never it's NAME or LOCATION -- appears to be located in a .zip under /docs/tools; within the binary distribution at least. This ain't the correct place to put it, in the slightest.. though as you (insult deleted) probably travel to work by public hang-glider (humorous insult deleted) I'm not surprised.
Try putting plugins & tooling, under (gasp) a 'tools' folder.
Yeah I know.. it's hard working on this stuff, to keep an external 'outside user's' perspective. But try using names.. they really are useful, for cross-referencing and confirmation as well, even once the actual object or artefact in question has been specified. once.
Cheers,
Thomas
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[jira] Updated: (AXIS2-3396) docs & website repeatedly refer to
Eclipse Plugin; but never specify NAME or WHERE IT IS LOCATED.
Posted by "Davanum Srinivas (JIRA)" <ji...@apache.org>.
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/AXIS2-3396?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:all-tabpanel ]
Davanum Srinivas updated AXIS2-3396:
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Assignee: Davanum Srinivas
> docs & website repeatedly refer to Eclipse Plugin; but never specify NAME or WHERE IT IS LOCATED.
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Key: AXIS2-3396
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/AXIS2-3396
> Project: Axis 2.0 (Axis2)
> Issue Type: Bug
> Components: documentation, ide plugins, Tools
> Affects Versions: M2
> Environment: website
> axis2-M2-bin
> Reporter: Thomas Whitmore
> Assignee: Davanum Srinivas
>
> It's impossible to find. And without specifying either NAME or LOCATION, there's nothing much to search for.
> Why not try using a NAME occasionally, when referring to things?
> I find that when talking about city-wide public transport, saying you caught the 'BUS' makes it vastly more clear what kind of timetables to search for.
> Also, the Eclipse Plugin -- this is referred to 4 or 5x, never it's NAME or LOCATION -- appears to be located in a .zip under /docs/tools; within the binary distribution at least. This ain't the correct place to put it, in the slightest.. though as you (insult deleted) probably travel to work by public hang-glider (humorous insult deleted) I'm not surprised.
> Try putting plugins & tooling, under (gasp) a 'tools' folder.
> Yeah I know.. it's hard working on this stuff, to keep an external 'outside user's' perspective. But try using names.. they really are useful, for cross-referencing and confirmation as well, even once the actual object or artefact in question has been specified. once.
> Cheers,
> Thomas
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[jira] Commented: (AXIS2-3396) docs & website repeatedly refer to
Eclipse Plugin; but never specify NAME or WHERE IT IS LOCATED.
Posted by "Davanum Srinivas (JIRA)" <ji...@apache.org>.
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/AXIS2-3396?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=12578452#action_12578452 ]
Davanum Srinivas commented on AXIS2-3396:
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looks like it is on our TOC http://ws.apache.org/axis2/1_3/toc.html
thanks,
dims
> docs & website repeatedly refer to Eclipse Plugin; but never specify NAME or WHERE IT IS LOCATED.
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Key: AXIS2-3396
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/AXIS2-3396
> Project: Axis 2.0 (Axis2)
> Issue Type: Bug
> Components: documentation, ide plugins, Tools
> Affects Versions: M2
> Environment: website
> axis2-M2-bin
> Reporter: Thomas Whitmore
> Assignee: Davanum Srinivas
> Fix For: 1.4
>
>
> It's impossible to find. And without specifying either NAME or LOCATION, there's nothing much to search for.
> Why not try using a NAME occasionally, when referring to things?
> I find that when talking about city-wide public transport, saying you caught the 'BUS' makes it vastly more clear what kind of timetables to search for.
> Also, the Eclipse Plugin -- this is referred to 4 or 5x, never it's NAME or LOCATION -- appears to be located in a .zip under /docs/tools; within the binary distribution at least. This ain't the correct place to put it, in the slightest.. though as you (insult deleted) probably travel to work by public hang-glider (humorous insult deleted) I'm not surprised.
> Try putting plugins & tooling, under (gasp) a 'tools' folder.
> Yeah I know.. it's hard working on this stuff, to keep an external 'outside user's' perspective. But try using names.. they really are useful, for cross-referencing and confirmation as well, even once the actual object or artefact in question has been specified. once.
> Cheers,
> Thomas
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[jira] Resolved: (AXIS2-3396) docs & website repeatedly refer to
Eclipse Plugin; but never specify NAME or WHERE IT IS LOCATED.
Posted by "Davanum Srinivas (JIRA)" <ji...@apache.org>.
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/AXIS2-3396?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:all-tabpanel ]
Davanum Srinivas resolved AXIS2-3396.
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Resolution: Fixed
> docs & website repeatedly refer to Eclipse Plugin; but never specify NAME or WHERE IT IS LOCATED.
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Key: AXIS2-3396
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/AXIS2-3396
> Project: Axis 2.0 (Axis2)
> Issue Type: Bug
> Components: documentation, ide plugins, Tools
> Affects Versions: M2
> Environment: website
> axis2-M2-bin
> Reporter: Thomas Whitmore
> Assignee: Davanum Srinivas
> Fix For: 1.4
>
>
> It's impossible to find. And without specifying either NAME or LOCATION, there's nothing much to search for.
> Why not try using a NAME occasionally, when referring to things?
> I find that when talking about city-wide public transport, saying you caught the 'BUS' makes it vastly more clear what kind of timetables to search for.
> Also, the Eclipse Plugin -- this is referred to 4 or 5x, never it's NAME or LOCATION -- appears to be located in a .zip under /docs/tools; within the binary distribution at least. This ain't the correct place to put it, in the slightest.. though as you (insult deleted) probably travel to work by public hang-glider (humorous insult deleted) I'm not surprised.
> Try putting plugins & tooling, under (gasp) a 'tools' folder.
> Yeah I know.. it's hard working on this stuff, to keep an external 'outside user's' perspective. But try using names.. they really are useful, for cross-referencing and confirmation as well, even once the actual object or artefact in question has been specified. once.
> Cheers,
> Thomas
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[jira] Resolved: (AXIS2-3396) docs & website repeatedly refer to
Eclipse Plugin; but never specify NAME or WHERE IT IS LOCATED.
Posted by "Davanum Srinivas (JIRA)" <ji...@apache.org>.
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/AXIS2-3396?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:all-tabpanel ]
Davanum Srinivas resolved AXIS2-3396.
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Resolution: Invalid
Step #1: Point your browser to http://ws.apache.org/axis2/
Step #2: Click on Tools under "Downloads" in the left hand side
Download the eclipse plugin from that page.
thanks,
dims
> docs & website repeatedly refer to Eclipse Plugin; but never specify NAME or WHERE IT IS LOCATED.
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Key: AXIS2-3396
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/AXIS2-3396
> Project: Axis 2.0 (Axis2)
> Issue Type: Bug
> Components: documentation, ide plugins, Tools
> Affects Versions: M2
> Environment: website
> axis2-M2-bin
> Reporter: Thomas Whitmore
> Assignee: Davanum Srinivas
> Fix For: 1.4
>
>
> It's impossible to find. And without specifying either NAME or LOCATION, there's nothing much to search for.
> Why not try using a NAME occasionally, when referring to things?
> I find that when talking about city-wide public transport, saying you caught the 'BUS' makes it vastly more clear what kind of timetables to search for.
> Also, the Eclipse Plugin -- this is referred to 4 or 5x, never it's NAME or LOCATION -- appears to be located in a .zip under /docs/tools; within the binary distribution at least. This ain't the correct place to put it, in the slightest.. though as you (insult deleted) probably travel to work by public hang-glider (humorous insult deleted) I'm not surprised.
> Try putting plugins & tooling, under (gasp) a 'tools' folder.
> Yeah I know.. it's hard working on this stuff, to keep an external 'outside user's' perspective. But try using names.. they really are useful, for cross-referencing and confirmation as well, even once the actual object or artefact in question has been specified. once.
> Cheers,
> Thomas
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[jira] Commented: (AXIS2-3396) docs & website repeatedly refer to
Eclipse Plugin; but never specify NAME or WHERE IT IS LOCATED.
Posted by "Thomas Whitmore (JIRA)" <ji...@apache.org>.
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/AXIS2-3396?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=12579372#action_12579372 ]
Thomas Whitmore commented on AXIS2-3396:
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I checked the indicated TOC page. This does not mention *where* in the
distribution the plugin is located. Nor does the purported download link for
the plugin, download the plugin specifically.
As mentioned in the JIRA issue:--
you need to INDICATE A SPECIFIC LOCATION for the PLUGIN.
Not just vaguely state that there is a plugin, somewhere.. Not vaguely give
some link to the entire Axis2 distribution.. The problem is that the PLUGIN
can't be FOUND in the DISTRIBUTION because it is located in the WRONG PLACE.
As requested:--
you need to SPECIFY the EXACT LOCATION of the freakin' plugin.
Or else find a sane place to put it, not in /docs/tools/ where it is f**ing
impossible to find. Is this not obvious enough, for even the blind to see?
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If you modify that TOC Page to say, on my behalf -- "we are completely
retarded, but please find the plugin located in /docs/tools folder" -- and
credit that to Thomas W -- then some of your users may actually be able to
*find* the thing.
You are more than welcome to blame me for this.
I expect currently 70%+ of your users cannot find the plugin at all, or
spend hours looking and find it only with extreme difficulty. (Think about
it.. hidden two folders deep in incorrect location, spurious links to
'download the plugin' which don't, repeated doc pages.. none of which
specify EXACTLY WHERE it is.)
You a group of butt-munchin' morons.
> docs & website repeatedly refer to Eclipse Plugin; but never specify NAME or WHERE IT IS LOCATED.
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Key: AXIS2-3396
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/AXIS2-3396
> Project: Axis 2.0 (Axis2)
> Issue Type: Bug
> Components: documentation, ide plugins, Tools
> Affects Versions: M2
> Environment: website
> axis2-M2-bin
> Reporter: Thomas Whitmore
> Assignee: Davanum Srinivas
> Fix For: 1.4
>
>
> It's impossible to find. And without specifying either NAME or LOCATION, there's nothing much to search for.
> Why not try using a NAME occasionally, when referring to things?
> I find that when talking about city-wide public transport, saying you caught the 'BUS' makes it vastly more clear what kind of timetables to search for.
> Also, the Eclipse Plugin -- this is referred to 4 or 5x, never it's NAME or LOCATION -- appears to be located in a .zip under /docs/tools; within the binary distribution at least. This ain't the correct place to put it, in the slightest.. though as you (insult deleted) probably travel to work by public hang-glider (humorous insult deleted) I'm not surprised.
> Try putting plugins & tooling, under (gasp) a 'tools' folder.
> Yeah I know.. it's hard working on this stuff, to keep an external 'outside user's' perspective. But try using names.. they really are useful, for cross-referencing and confirmation as well, even once the actual object or artefact in question has been specified. once.
> Cheers,
> Thomas
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[jira] Updated: (AXIS2-3396) docs & website repeatedly refer to
Eclipse Plugin; but never specify NAME or WHERE IT IS LOCATED.
Posted by "Davanum Srinivas (JIRA)" <ji...@apache.org>.
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/AXIS2-3396?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:all-tabpanel ]
Davanum Srinivas updated AXIS2-3396:
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Fix Version/s: 1.4
> docs & website repeatedly refer to Eclipse Plugin; but never specify NAME or WHERE IT IS LOCATED.
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Key: AXIS2-3396
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/AXIS2-3396
> Project: Axis 2.0 (Axis2)
> Issue Type: Bug
> Components: documentation, ide plugins, Tools
> Affects Versions: M2
> Environment: website
> axis2-M2-bin
> Reporter: Thomas Whitmore
> Assignee: Davanum Srinivas
> Fix For: 1.4
>
>
> It's impossible to find. And without specifying either NAME or LOCATION, there's nothing much to search for.
> Why not try using a NAME occasionally, when referring to things?
> I find that when talking about city-wide public transport, saying you caught the 'BUS' makes it vastly more clear what kind of timetables to search for.
> Also, the Eclipse Plugin -- this is referred to 4 or 5x, never it's NAME or LOCATION -- appears to be located in a .zip under /docs/tools; within the binary distribution at least. This ain't the correct place to put it, in the slightest.. though as you (insult deleted) probably travel to work by public hang-glider (humorous insult deleted) I'm not surprised.
> Try putting plugins & tooling, under (gasp) a 'tools' folder.
> Yeah I know.. it's hard working on this stuff, to keep an external 'outside user's' perspective. But try using names.. they really are useful, for cross-referencing and confirmation as well, even once the actual object or artefact in question has been specified. once.
> Cheers,
> Thomas
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[jira] Commented: (AXIS2-3396) docs & website repeatedly refer to
Eclipse Plugin; but never specify NAME or WHERE IT IS LOCATED.
Posted by "Thomas Whitmore (JIRA)" <ji...@apache.org>.
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/AXIS2-3396?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=12580219#action_12580219 ]
Thomas Whitmore commented on AXIS2-3396:
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Excellent. Thanks a lot, Davanum.
There are many other doc-pages and links to download to the 'plugin' still,
though, which don't go here (and just download the entire bundled
distribution with the 'hidden' plugin).
Maybe this is from the older distro tho, but it still tends to come up in a
web search. So it would be good to fix those couple of unhelpful points
also.
But thanks a lot, for ensuring that there's *ONE* link that works.
Cheers
Thomas.
> docs & website repeatedly refer to Eclipse Plugin; but never specify NAME or WHERE IT IS LOCATED.
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Key: AXIS2-3396
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/AXIS2-3396
> Project: Axis 2.0 (Axis2)
> Issue Type: Bug
> Components: documentation, ide plugins, Tools
> Affects Versions: M2
> Environment: website
> axis2-M2-bin
> Reporter: Thomas Whitmore
> Assignee: Davanum Srinivas
> Fix For: 1.4
>
>
> It's impossible to find. And without specifying either NAME or LOCATION, there's nothing much to search for.
> Why not try using a NAME occasionally, when referring to things?
> I find that when talking about city-wide public transport, saying you caught the 'BUS' makes it vastly more clear what kind of timetables to search for.
> Also, the Eclipse Plugin -- this is referred to 4 or 5x, never it's NAME or LOCATION -- appears to be located in a .zip under /docs/tools; within the binary distribution at least. This ain't the correct place to put it, in the slightest.. though as you (insult deleted) probably travel to work by public hang-glider (humorous insult deleted) I'm not surprised.
> Try putting plugins & tooling, under (gasp) a 'tools' folder.
> Yeah I know.. it's hard working on this stuff, to keep an external 'outside user's' perspective. But try using names.. they really are useful, for cross-referencing and confirmation as well, even once the actual object or artefact in question has been specified. once.
> Cheers,
> Thomas
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[jira] Reopened: (AXIS2-3396) docs & website repeatedly refer to
Eclipse Plugin; but never specify NAME or WHERE IT IS LOCATED.
Posted by "Thomas Whitmore (JIRA)" <ji...@apache.org>.
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/AXIS2-3396?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:all-tabpanel ]
Thomas Whitmore reopened AXIS2-3396:
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'Installation Instructions', need to specify plugin located in /docs/tools folder.
Your users cannot possibly find the thing, hidden two folders deep in an incorrect location. Is this not clear to understand?
Or put it in a /tools folder.
I checked the TOC and installation instructions, they still don't lead specifically to the plugin or specify where in the dist it's located,
How on earth do you expect your long-suffering users to even find the thing?
Jesus Christ, i pray for all the hundreds or thousands of wasted hours and repeated searches & reading of the quote 'installation instructions'.. which mention everything except, how to install it.
> docs & website repeatedly refer to Eclipse Plugin; but never specify NAME or WHERE IT IS LOCATED.
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Key: AXIS2-3396
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/AXIS2-3396
> Project: Axis 2.0 (Axis2)
> Issue Type: Bug
> Components: documentation, ide plugins, Tools
> Affects Versions: M2
> Environment: website
> axis2-M2-bin
> Reporter: Thomas Whitmore
> Assignee: Davanum Srinivas
> Fix For: 1.4
>
>
> It's impossible to find. And without specifying either NAME or LOCATION, there's nothing much to search for.
> Why not try using a NAME occasionally, when referring to things?
> I find that when talking about city-wide public transport, saying you caught the 'BUS' makes it vastly more clear what kind of timetables to search for.
> Also, the Eclipse Plugin -- this is referred to 4 or 5x, never it's NAME or LOCATION -- appears to be located in a .zip under /docs/tools; within the binary distribution at least. This ain't the correct place to put it, in the slightest.. though as you (insult deleted) probably travel to work by public hang-glider (humorous insult deleted) I'm not surprised.
> Try putting plugins & tooling, under (gasp) a 'tools' folder.
> Yeah I know.. it's hard working on this stuff, to keep an external 'outside user's' perspective. But try using names.. they really are useful, for cross-referencing and confirmation as well, even once the actual object or artefact in question has been specified. once.
> Cheers,
> Thomas
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