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Re: Ant using commons code/jars
Has anyone brought it up on ant-dev?
A quick check on the mail archives searching for DateUtils doesn't find
any hits.
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Sean Schofield <ne...@schof.com> wrote on 18/12/2002 02:10:38 AM:
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> >
> >Will Ant start using the code if we do take ownership of it?
> >
> >
> Probably. See yesterday's DateUtils thread for more on this topic
> (we've moved this discussion to that thread.) We're just getting
> started so any help/feedback would be appreciated.
>
> - sean
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Re: Ant using commons code/jars
Posted by Stephane Bailliez <sb...@apache.org>.
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From: "Stefan Bodewig" <bo...@apache.org>
> The problem is that we want to be able to bootstrap Ant with as little
> external dependencies as possible. Thinking about it again, the real
> problem may be that we've never talked about it at all 8-)
I asked myself the question a long time ago but came to the conclusion it
would possibly bring more problems than it will solve.
I wanted to remove the duplication of some methods or utilities classes that
exists in common but many of the interesting classes did simply not
stabilized and were heavily changed in the sandbox. I have seen them migrate
between projects, change the class name, change the method name, change the
number of arguments, and so on.
The only app that I can see could possibly be used as it graduated is
commons-lang.
commons-codec, commons-IO, commons-net, commons-resource are still in
sandbox and that means could possibly change tomorrow.
For future work there could be a lot more like CLI, Discovery, Logging and
others
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Re: Ant using commons code/jars
Posted by Stefan Bodewig <bo...@apache.org>.
On Wed, 18 Dec 2002, <di...@multitask.com.au> wrote:
> Has anyone brought it up on ant-dev?
I'm currently on vacation, so I may have missed it, but I think the
answer is no, it hasn't been brought up.
And I doubt Ant would depend on it, we depend on our version of the
zip, bzip2 and tar classes that have been added to commons as well.
The problem is that we want to be able to bootstrap Ant with as little
external dependencies as possible. Thinking about it again, the real
problem may be that we've never talked about it at all 8-)
Stefan
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Re: Ant using commons code/jars
Posted by Henri Yandell <ba...@generationjava.com>.
On Wed, 18 Dec 2002 dion@multitask.com.au wrote:
> Henri Yandell <ba...@generationjava.com> wrote on 18/12/2002 04:08:31 AM:
>
> >
> > Is there any need to ask them? They'll either use it or they won't, but
> in
> > its current position its of no use to other people. Commons is mainly
> > tasked with being a repository of useful code from one project for other
> > projects to use.
> Note the 'use' word there. It's fine having a whole lot of useful code,
> but if none of our projects use it, what's the point?
Well, depends. If none of our projects use it but it still has lots of
interest and users, then maybe we're not very adaptive. If no projects use
it, then yeah there's an issue.
> > Once a piece of code has passed into commons, it is the responsibility
> of
> > the maintainers [who should be the original coders, but often aren't] to
> > focus on strengthening that code for all users and projects, and not
> just
> > the originating project.
> 100% agree. But starting off with one user sounds like a pre-req to me.
I'd love them to use it etc, but trying to harass them now will at best
get them cvs dependent on our tree. Then we get the pain that
Struts/Validator have, ie) Struts must have a Validator release before
Struts can release. I'd hate to have the next release of Ant dependent on
Commons Lang.
If however we just try to build up a good repository, then we have two
subsequent options. 1) Wait for people to arrive. 2) Go advertise.
But in both situations, the consumer is dependent on the release, not cvs.
[The fact that we don't release often enough is a separate issue to solve
I think].
I guess I somehow got sub-conciously brainwashed by Kevin Costner in Field
of Dreams [don't ask, it wasn't ME who chose that from the video store]:
"If you build it, they will come".
Hen
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Re: Ant using commons code/jars
Posted by di...@multitask.com.au.
Henri Yandell <ba...@generationjava.com> wrote on 18/12/2002 04:08:31 AM:
>
> Is there any need to ask them? They'll either use it or they won't, but
in
> its current position its of no use to other people. Commons is mainly
> tasked with being a repository of useful code from one project for other
> projects to use.
Note the 'use' word there. It's fine having a whole lot of useful code,
but if none of our projects use it, what's the point?
> Once a piece of code has passed into commons, it is the responsibility
of
> the maintainers [who should be the original coders, but often aren't] to
> focus on strengthening that code for all users and projects, and not
just
> the originating project.
100% agree. But starting off with one user sounds like a pre-req to me.
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Re: Ant using commons code/jars
Posted by Henri Yandell <ba...@generationjava.com>.
Is there any need to ask them? They'll either use it or they won't, but in
its current position its of no use to other people. Commons is mainly
tasked with being a repository of useful code from one project for other
projects to use.
Once a piece of code has passed into commons, it is the responsibility of
the maintainers [who should be the original coders, but often aren't] to
focus on strengthening that code for all users and projects, and not just
the originating project.
I may be being a bit bombastic :)
Hen
On Wed, 18 Dec 2002 dion@multitask.com.au wrote:
> Ok, but if they wont use it shouldn't we know sooner rather than later?
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> Sean Schofield <ne...@schof.com> wrote on 18/12/2002 03:45:24 AM:
>
> > >
> > >
> > >Has anyone brought it up on ant-dev?
> > >
> > >A quick check on the mail archives searching for DateUtils doesn't find
>
> > >any hits.
> > >
> > >
> > Not to my knowledge. Eric checked with one of the committers who said
> > it was ok to borrow the code as long as we cited it.
> >
> > I mentioned talking to the ant guys about this but others said not to
> > bother them until we're done.
> >
> > - sean
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Re: Ant using commons code/jars
Posted by di...@multitask.com.au.
Ok, but if they wont use it shouldn't we know sooner rather than later?
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Sean Schofield <ne...@schof.com> wrote on 18/12/2002 03:45:24 AM:
> >
> >
> >Has anyone brought it up on ant-dev?
> >
> >A quick check on the mail archives searching for DateUtils doesn't find
> >any hits.
> >
> >
> Not to my knowledge. Eric checked with one of the committers who said
> it was ok to borrow the code as long as we cited it.
>
> I mentioned talking to the ant guys about this but others said not to
> bother them until we're done.
>
> - sean
>
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Re: Ant using commons code/jars
Posted by Sean Schofield <ne...@schof.com>.
>
>
>Has anyone brought it up on ant-dev?
>
>A quick check on the mail archives searching for DateUtils doesn't find
>any hits.
>
>
Not to my knowledge. Eric checked with one of the committers who said
it was ok to borrow the code as long as we cited it.
I mentioned talking to the ant guys about this but others said not to
bother them until we're done.
- sean
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