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Jetbrains considers to deprecate Tapestry plugin in IntelliJ 2019.3
Hi,
Not sure if many of you are using the Tapestry plugins of IntellJ Ultimate.
I do and it's very handy to navigate fastly between components and for code
completion in templates.
https://blog.jetbrains.com/idea/2019/06/plugin-deprecations-in-intellij-idea-v2019-2/
Tapestry is my favorite framework, and I haven't found any replacement with
the killing features such as Live Class Reloading (natively) and excellent
error reporting.
Keep up the good work.
Nicolas.
RE: Jetbrains considers to deprecate Tapestry plugin in IntelliJ 2019.3
Posted by Chris Lail <ch...@extensiatech.com>.
If you visit the link, there is a contact form. I sent a contact urging the continued support of the plugin.
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I use the plugin. That’s some sad news :(
Best,
Rafael
> On Jun 18, 2019, at 10:45 PM, Nicolas Bouillon <ni...@bouillon.net> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Not sure if many of you are using the Tapestry plugins of IntellJ Ultimate.
>
> I do and it's very handy to navigate fastly between components and for
> code completion in templates.
>
> https://blog.jetbrains.com/idea/2019/06/plugin-deprecations-in-intelli
> j-idea-v2019-2/
>
> Tapestry is my favorite framework, and I haven't found any replacement
> with the killing features such as Live Class Reloading (natively) and
> excellent error reporting.
>
> Keep up the good work.
>
> Nicolas.
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Re: Jetbrains considers to deprecate Tapestry plugin in IntelliJ 2019.3
Posted by Rafael Bugajewski <ra...@juicycocktail.com>.
I use the plugin. That’s some sad news :(
Best,
Rafael
> On Jun 18, 2019, at 10:45 PM, Nicolas Bouillon <ni...@bouillon.net> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Not sure if many of you are using the Tapestry plugins of IntellJ Ultimate.
>
> I do and it's very handy to navigate fastly between components and for code
> completion in templates.
>
> https://blog.jetbrains.com/idea/2019/06/plugin-deprecations-in-intellij-idea-v2019-2/
>
> Tapestry is my favorite framework, and I haven't found any replacement with
> the killing features such as Live Class Reloading (natively) and excellent
> error reporting.
>
> Keep up the good work.
>
> Nicolas.
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Re: Jetbrains considers to deprecate Tapestry plugin in IntelliJ
2019.3
Posted by JumpStart <ge...@gmail.com>.
lol. Same here.
> On 3 Jul 2019, at 4:34 pm, Massimo Lusetti <ml...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks Lance, you made my day.
>
> On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 11:04 PM Lance Java
> <la...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Emmanuel Sowah - I think you deserve some form of long service award.
>> You've been hating on Tapestry for over 13 years now. Way to hold a grudge
>> dude!
>>
>> https://wiki.apache.org/tapestry/Tapestry5Trolls
>>
>> On Wed, 19 Jun 2019, 10:18 am Emmanuel Sowah, <es...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Of course it's understandable that they are going to deprecate it. What
>>> kind of creatures are you still stuck to a failed and stone-age framework
>>> like Tapestry? Even the original creator, Howard Lewis Ship, has
>> abandoned
>>> it for better frameworks like React, Angular and Wicket. Guys, wake up
>> and
>>> stop wasting your time.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 10:46 PM Nicolas Bouillon <ni...@bouillon.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Not sure if many of you are using the Tapestry plugins of IntellJ
>>> Ultimate.
>>>>
>>>> I do and it's very handy to navigate fastly between components and for
>>> code
>>>> completion in templates.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>> https://blog.jetbrains.com/idea/2019/06/plugin-deprecations-in-intellij-idea-v2019-2/
>>>>
>>>> Tapestry is my favorite framework, and I haven't found any replacement
>>> with
>>>> the killing features such as Live Class Reloading (natively) and
>>> excellent
>>>> error reporting.
>>>>
>>>> Keep up the good work.
>>>>
>>>> Nicolas.
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Massimo Lusetti
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Re: Jetbrains considers to deprecate Tapestry plugin in IntelliJ 2019.3
Posted by Massimo Lusetti <ml...@gmail.com>.
Thanks Lance, you made my day.
On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 11:04 PM Lance Java
<la...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
> Emmanuel Sowah - I think you deserve some form of long service award.
> You've been hating on Tapestry for over 13 years now. Way to hold a grudge
> dude!
>
> https://wiki.apache.org/tapestry/Tapestry5Trolls
>
> On Wed, 19 Jun 2019, 10:18 am Emmanuel Sowah, <es...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Of course it's understandable that they are going to deprecate it. What
> > kind of creatures are you still stuck to a failed and stone-age framework
> > like Tapestry? Even the original creator, Howard Lewis Ship, has
> abandoned
> > it for better frameworks like React, Angular and Wicket. Guys, wake up
> and
> > stop wasting your time.
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 10:46 PM Nicolas Bouillon <ni...@bouillon.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Not sure if many of you are using the Tapestry plugins of IntellJ
> > Ultimate.
> > >
> > > I do and it's very handy to navigate fastly between components and for
> > code
> > > completion in templates.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://blog.jetbrains.com/idea/2019/06/plugin-deprecations-in-intellij-idea-v2019-2/
> > >
> > > Tapestry is my favorite framework, and I haven't found any replacement
> > with
> > > the killing features such as Live Class Reloading (natively) and
> > excellent
> > > error reporting.
> > >
> > > Keep up the good work.
> > >
> > > Nicolas.
> > >
> >
>
--
Massimo Lusetti
Re: Jetbrains considers to deprecate Tapestry plugin in IntelliJ
2019.3
Posted by Numa Schmeder <nu...@dfacto.ch>.
Technologies such as Tapestry are not more deprecated than Wicket neither worst. Wicked has its benefits, but also quite a lot of weakness. Wicket is very verbose and annoying to refactor, I can’t see any advantage of Wicket over Tapestry.
Regarding new technologies, there are plenty of new technologies, new doesn’t mean good :) I enjoy ajax application, micros service architecture, but for data entry application they don’t ad any value.
Ajax application, whatever framework, you use are a nightmare to debug who you have 100K+ lines of code… javascript is just another scripting language used by novice programmer that thinks they are kings of the world because they manage to write 3 lines of code. Every framework has its use cases, Tapestry is good at rapid development and prototyping application. It mixes well with ajax frameworks. Vaadin is also cool :)
Just don’t use it if you don’t like it…
> Le 4 juil. 2019 à 16:47, Charles Roth <cr...@thedance.net> a écrit :
>
> Emmanuel:
>
> Do you seriously NOT realize what is going on here? YOU were the first person to start calling people names. YOU are the one using "ad hominem" arguments about Tapestry users. YOU are the one crying "Mom, he hit me back first!"
>
> I actually AGREE with you that it's past time to move on from Tapestry. I'm a senior architect for a company with a large Tapestry app that has been engaged in exactly that direction for ~2 years. (And no, they chose Tapestry before I got there.) But a million lines of code doesn't turn on a dime. In the meantime, there are kind and thoughtful people on this list who are HELPING EACH OTHER.
>
> But your overbearing, insulting messages destroy any validity to your message. (Which is a real pity, because you are correct about the technology.) You're not persecuted: you're whining. Don't believe me: read an expert, say "Uncle Bob" Martin ("Clean Coder") about how to work with PEOPLE.
>
> On 7/4/2019 6:05 AM, Emmanuel Sowah wrote:
>> Lance,
>>
>> I am not hating Tapestry, I am only a messenger preaching the good news
>> that the world has moved on and left behind antiquated frameworks like
>> Tapestry. Even the founder, Howard Lewis Ship, the captain of this Tapestry
>> ship, has long left this sinking ship. He is now using other better and
>> modern frameworks. Damn, he even used Wicket on his client's project.
>> I am not surprised Tapestry cult followers like you always want to
>> persecute the messenger by calling me names. I am sure you would thank me
>> in the future for opening your eyes.
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 11:04 PM Lance Java
>> <la...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> Emmanuel Sowah - I think you deserve some form of long service award.
>>> You've been hating on Tapestry for over 13 years now. Way to hold a grudge
>>> dude!
>>>
>>> https://wiki.apache.org/tapestry/Tapestry5Trolls
>>>
>>> On Wed, 19 Jun 2019, 10:18 am Emmanuel Sowah, <es...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Of course it's understandable that they are going to deprecate it. What
>>>> kind of creatures are you still stuck to a failed and stone-age framework
>>>> like Tapestry? Even the original creator, Howard Lewis Ship, has
>>> abandoned
>>>> it for better frameworks like React, Angular and Wicket. Guys, wake up
>>> and
>>>> stop wasting your time.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 10:46 PM Nicolas Bouillon <ni...@bouillon.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> Not sure if many of you are using the Tapestry plugins of IntellJ
>>>> Ultimate.
>>>>> I do and it's very handy to navigate fastly between components and for
>>>> code
>>>>> completion in templates.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> https://blog.jetbrains.com/idea/2019/06/plugin-deprecations-in-intellij-idea-v2019-2/
>>>>> Tapestry is my favorite framework, and I haven't found any replacement
>>>> with
>>>>> the killing features such as Live Class Reloading (natively) and
>>>> excellent
>>>>> error reporting.
>>>>>
>>>>> Keep up the good work.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nicolas.
>>>>>
>
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Re: Jetbrains considers to deprecate Tapestry plugin in IntelliJ
2019.3
Posted by Charles Roth <cr...@thedance.net>.
Emmanuel:
Do you seriously NOT realize what is going on here? YOU were the first
person to start calling people names. YOU are the one using "ad
hominem" arguments about Tapestry users. YOU are the one crying "Mom,
he hit me back first!"
I actually AGREE with you that it's past time to move on from Tapestry.
I'm a senior architect for a company with a large Tapestry app that has
been engaged in exactly that direction for ~2 years. (And no, they chose
Tapestry before I got there.) But a million lines of code doesn't turn
on a dime. In the meantime, there are kind and thoughtful people on
this list who are HELPING EACH OTHER.
But your overbearing, insulting messages destroy any validity to your
message. (Which is a real pity, because you are correct about the
technology.) You're not persecuted: you're whining. Don't believe me:
read an expert, say "Uncle Bob" Martin ("Clean Coder") about how to work
with PEOPLE.
On 7/4/2019 6:05 AM, Emmanuel Sowah wrote:
> Lance,
>
> I am not hating Tapestry, I am only a messenger preaching the good news
> that the world has moved on and left behind antiquated frameworks like
> Tapestry. Even the founder, Howard Lewis Ship, the captain of this Tapestry
> ship, has long left this sinking ship. He is now using other better and
> modern frameworks. Damn, he even used Wicket on his client's project.
> I am not surprised Tapestry cult followers like you always want to
> persecute the messenger by calling me names. I am sure you would thank me
> in the future for opening your eyes.
>
> On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 11:04 PM Lance Java
> <la...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Emmanuel Sowah - I think you deserve some form of long service award.
>> You've been hating on Tapestry for over 13 years now. Way to hold a grudge
>> dude!
>>
>> https://wiki.apache.org/tapestry/Tapestry5Trolls
>>
>> On Wed, 19 Jun 2019, 10:18 am Emmanuel Sowah, <es...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Of course it's understandable that they are going to deprecate it. What
>>> kind of creatures are you still stuck to a failed and stone-age framework
>>> like Tapestry? Even the original creator, Howard Lewis Ship, has
>> abandoned
>>> it for better frameworks like React, Angular and Wicket. Guys, wake up
>> and
>>> stop wasting your time.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 10:46 PM Nicolas Bouillon <ni...@bouillon.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Not sure if many of you are using the Tapestry plugins of IntellJ
>>> Ultimate.
>>>> I do and it's very handy to navigate fastly between components and for
>>> code
>>>> completion in templates.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>> https://blog.jetbrains.com/idea/2019/06/plugin-deprecations-in-intellij-idea-v2019-2/
>>>> Tapestry is my favorite framework, and I haven't found any replacement
>>> with
>>>> the killing features such as Live Class Reloading (natively) and
>>> excellent
>>>> error reporting.
>>>>
>>>> Keep up the good work.
>>>>
>>>> Nicolas.
>>>>
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Re: Jetbrains considers to deprecate Tapestry plugin in IntelliJ 2019.3
Posted by Lance Java <la...@googlemail.com.INVALID>.
13 years dude.... 13 years
On Thu, 4 Jul 2019, 11:05 am Emmanuel Sowah, <es...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Lance,
>
> I am not hating Tapestry, I am only a messenger preaching the good news
> that the world has moved on and left behind antiquated frameworks like
> Tapestry. Even the founder, Howard Lewis Ship, the captain of this Tapestry
> ship, has long left this sinking ship. He is now using other better and
> modern frameworks. Damn, he even used Wicket on his client's project.
> I am not surprised Tapestry cult followers like you always want to
> persecute the messenger by calling me names. I am sure you would thank me
> in the future for opening your eyes.
>
> On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 11:04 PM Lance Java
> <la...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
>
> > Emmanuel Sowah - I think you deserve some form of long service award.
> > You've been hating on Tapestry for over 13 years now. Way to hold a
> grudge
> > dude!
> >
> > https://wiki.apache.org/tapestry/Tapestry5Trolls
> >
> > On Wed, 19 Jun 2019, 10:18 am Emmanuel Sowah, <es...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Of course it's understandable that they are going to deprecate it. What
> > > kind of creatures are you still stuck to a failed and stone-age
> framework
> > > like Tapestry? Even the original creator, Howard Lewis Ship, has
> > abandoned
> > > it for better frameworks like React, Angular and Wicket. Guys, wake up
> > and
> > > stop wasting your time.
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 10:46 PM Nicolas Bouillon <
> nicolas@bouillon.net>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > Not sure if many of you are using the Tapestry plugins of IntellJ
> > > Ultimate.
> > > >
> > > > I do and it's very handy to navigate fastly between components and
> for
> > > code
> > > > completion in templates.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://blog.jetbrains.com/idea/2019/06/plugin-deprecations-in-intellij-idea-v2019-2/
> > > >
> > > > Tapestry is my favorite framework, and I haven't found any
> replacement
> > > with
> > > > the killing features such as Live Class Reloading (natively) and
> > > excellent
> > > > error reporting.
> > > >
> > > > Keep up the good work.
> > > >
> > > > Nicolas.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
RE: Jetbrains considers to deprecate Tapestry plugin in IntelliJ
2019.3
Posted by Svein-Erik Løken <SE...@brav.com>.
After reading posts after posts that Tapestry is outdated - how is it outdated?
The last year I have used ReactJS/JSX/TypeScript/es2015/node, SCCS in a multimodule setup in Tapestry. I am using Tapestry Resteasy or just Tapestry Ajax() or Zone.deferredZoneUpdate() to nice error messages.
Can anyone tell?
S-E
Re: Jetbrains considers to deprecate Tapestry plugin in IntelliJ 2019.3
Posted by Qbyte Consulting <qb...@gmail.com>.
Good grief, not this again.
Tapestry is a great choice where the developer has java skills (it works quite well with Scala too) and doesn’t want to spend hundreds of hours gaining proficiency in a java script framework (that change every few years) and where there isn’t budget or requirements to develop an API.
A JavaScript centric framework is fine for enterprises that have teams of backend and front end devs. This approach is not suitable for all scenarios.
John
Sent from my iPhone
> On 4 Jul 2019, at 17:05, Emmanuel Sowah <es...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Lance,
>
> I am not hating Tapestry, I am only a messenger preaching the good news
> that the world has moved on and left behind antiquated frameworks like
> Tapestry. Even the founder, Howard Lewis Ship, the captain of this Tapestry
> ship, has long left this sinking ship. He is now using other better and
> modern frameworks. Damn, he even used Wicket on his client's project.
> I am not surprised Tapestry cult followers like you always want to
> persecute the messenger by calling me names. I am sure you would thank me
> in the future for opening your eyes.
>
> On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 11:04 PM Lance Java
> <la...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Emmanuel Sowah - I think you deserve some form of long service award.
>> You've been hating on Tapestry for over 13 years now. Way to hold a grudge
>> dude!
>>
>> https://wiki.apache.org/tapestry/Tapestry5Trolls
>>
>>> On Wed, 19 Jun 2019, 10:18 am Emmanuel Sowah, <es...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Of course it's understandable that they are going to deprecate it. What
>>> kind of creatures are you still stuck to a failed and stone-age framework
>>> like Tapestry? Even the original creator, Howard Lewis Ship, has
>> abandoned
>>> it for better frameworks like React, Angular and Wicket. Guys, wake up
>> and
>>> stop wasting your time.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 10:46 PM Nicolas Bouillon <ni...@bouillon.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Not sure if many of you are using the Tapestry plugins of IntellJ
>>> Ultimate.
>>>>
>>>> I do and it's very handy to navigate fastly between components and for
>>> code
>>>> completion in templates.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>> https://blog.jetbrains.com/idea/2019/06/plugin-deprecations-in-intellij-idea-v2019-2/
>>>>
>>>> Tapestry is my favorite framework, and I haven't found any replacement
>>> with
>>>> the killing features such as Live Class Reloading (natively) and
>>> excellent
>>>> error reporting.
>>>>
>>>> Keep up the good work.
>>>>
>>>> Nicolas.
>>>>
>>>
>>
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RE: Jetbrains considers to deprecate Tapestry plugin in IntelliJ
2019.3
Posted by Svein-Erik Løken <SE...@brav.com>.
You don't have to tell us that, we know there is a world out there! I have tried Wicket - it is very good, but found Tapestry better for my needs. I am using ReactJS with Tapestry. It works very well. Tapestry is rock solid and I hope it will live forever!
S-E
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Re: Jetbrains considers to deprecate Tapestry plugin in IntelliJ 2019.3
Posted by Emmanuel Sowah <es...@gmail.com>.
Lance,
I am not hating Tapestry, I am only a messenger preaching the good news
that the world has moved on and left behind antiquated frameworks like
Tapestry. Even the founder, Howard Lewis Ship, the captain of this Tapestry
ship, has long left this sinking ship. He is now using other better and
modern frameworks. Damn, he even used Wicket on his client's project.
I am not surprised Tapestry cult followers like you always want to
persecute the messenger by calling me names. I am sure you would thank me
in the future for opening your eyes.
On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 11:04 PM Lance Java
<la...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
> Emmanuel Sowah - I think you deserve some form of long service award.
> You've been hating on Tapestry for over 13 years now. Way to hold a grudge
> dude!
>
> https://wiki.apache.org/tapestry/Tapestry5Trolls
>
> On Wed, 19 Jun 2019, 10:18 am Emmanuel Sowah, <es...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Of course it's understandable that they are going to deprecate it. What
> > kind of creatures are you still stuck to a failed and stone-age framework
> > like Tapestry? Even the original creator, Howard Lewis Ship, has
> abandoned
> > it for better frameworks like React, Angular and Wicket. Guys, wake up
> and
> > stop wasting your time.
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 10:46 PM Nicolas Bouillon <ni...@bouillon.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Not sure if many of you are using the Tapestry plugins of IntellJ
> > Ultimate.
> > >
> > > I do and it's very handy to navigate fastly between components and for
> > code
> > > completion in templates.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://blog.jetbrains.com/idea/2019/06/plugin-deprecations-in-intellij-idea-v2019-2/
> > >
> > > Tapestry is my favorite framework, and I haven't found any replacement
> > with
> > > the killing features such as Live Class Reloading (natively) and
> > excellent
> > > error reporting.
> > >
> > > Keep up the good work.
> > >
> > > Nicolas.
> > >
> >
>
Re: Jetbrains considers to deprecate Tapestry plugin in IntelliJ 2019.3
Posted by Lance Java <la...@googlemail.com.INVALID>.
Emmanuel Sowah - I think you deserve some form of long service award.
You've been hating on Tapestry for over 13 years now. Way to hold a grudge
dude!
https://wiki.apache.org/tapestry/Tapestry5Trolls
On Wed, 19 Jun 2019, 10:18 am Emmanuel Sowah, <es...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Of course it's understandable that they are going to deprecate it. What
> kind of creatures are you still stuck to a failed and stone-age framework
> like Tapestry? Even the original creator, Howard Lewis Ship, has abandoned
> it for better frameworks like React, Angular and Wicket. Guys, wake up and
> stop wasting your time.
>
> On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 10:46 PM Nicolas Bouillon <ni...@bouillon.net>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Not sure if many of you are using the Tapestry plugins of IntellJ
> Ultimate.
> >
> > I do and it's very handy to navigate fastly between components and for
> code
> > completion in templates.
> >
> >
> >
> https://blog.jetbrains.com/idea/2019/06/plugin-deprecations-in-intellij-idea-v2019-2/
> >
> > Tapestry is my favorite framework, and I haven't found any replacement
> with
> > the killing features such as Live Class Reloading (natively) and
> excellent
> > error reporting.
> >
> > Keep up the good work.
> >
> > Nicolas.
> >
>
Re: Jetbrains considers to deprecate Tapestry plugin in IntelliJ
2019.3
Posted by Charles Roth <cr...@thedance.net>.
We're called "professionals", who are trying to maintain older, large,
applications that were built before Angular etc existed, while we
simultaneously migrate them into smaller pieces that will work with
modern frameworks.
So if you've got nothing useful to say, get the hell off my lawn, kid,
and let the grownups get some work done.
On 6/19/2019 5:18 AM, Emmanuel Sowah wrote:
> Of course it's understandable that they are going to deprecate it. What
> kind of creatures are you still stuck to a failed and stone-age framework
> like Tapestry? Even the original creator, Howard Lewis Ship, has abandoned
> it for better frameworks like React, Angular and Wicket. Guys, wake up and
> stop wasting your time.
>
> On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 10:46 PM Nicolas Bouillon <ni...@bouillon.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Not sure if many of you are using the Tapestry plugins of IntellJ Ultimate.
>>
>> I do and it's very handy to navigate fastly between components and for code
>> completion in templates.
>>
>>
>> https://blog.jetbrains.com/idea/2019/06/plugin-deprecations-in-intellij-idea-v2019-2/
>>
>> Tapestry is my favorite framework, and I haven't found any replacement with
>> the killing features such as Live Class Reloading (natively) and excellent
>> error reporting.
>>
>> Keep up the good work.
>>
>> Nicolas.
>>
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RE: Jetbrains considers to deprecate Tapestry plugin in IntelliJ
2019.3
Posted by Svein-Erik Løken <SE...@brav.com>.
I have built front-ends with Typescript, JSX, React, sometimes mixed with Tapestry Zones. I always tries use T5 components, but not too hard. The admin client don't need to be so fancy and is 95% Tapestry code. I found that the quality and code maintaining is much better when using Tapestry. For me Tapestry is almost perfect, but of course I hope the framework will evolve.
I am a huge fan of IntelliJ Ultimate. If the Tapestry plugin stops to work then don't know what to do! I think it is absolutely necessary for coding speed, navigating and quality check.
I hope that having the IntelliJ Tapestry plugin open source then it can be even better. I have reported several issues to JetBrains, but they are still unresolved. The most important now is that the plugin will work in new versions of IntelliJ.
Again, a big thank to the guys that keeps Tapestry going.
S-E
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Subject: Re: Jetbrains considers to deprecate Tapestry plugin in IntelliJ 2019.3
React repeats the same sins as JSP by mixing code and presentation. A problem tapestry addressed. Its kind of strange seeing this JSP age issue afflict those “better frameworks”.
I’d also wager a SPA could be developed more quickly in tapestry than with any JS framework plus an API. Then there there’s also the fact that tapestry apps can be developed by any Java developer without a need for much additional JS expertise.
Can’t really compare apples and oranges.
John
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> On 19 Jun 2019, at 16:18, Emmanuel Sowah <es...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Of course it's understandable that they are going to deprecate it.
> What kind of creatures are you still stuck to a failed and stone-age
> framework like Tapestry? Even the original creator, Howard Lewis Ship,
> has abandoned it for better frameworks like React, Angular and Wicket.
> Guys, wake up and stop wasting your time.
>
> On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 10:46 PM Nicolas Bouillon
> <ni...@bouillon.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Not sure if many of you are using the Tapestry plugins of IntellJ Ultimate.
>>
>> I do and it's very handy to navigate fastly between components and
>> for code completion in templates.
>>
>>
>> https://blog.jetbrains.com/idea/2019/06/plugin-deprecations-in-intell
>> ij-idea-v2019-2/
>>
>> Tapestry is my favorite framework, and I haven't found any
>> replacement with the killing features such as Live Class Reloading
>> (natively) and excellent error reporting.
>>
>> Keep up the good work.
>>
>> Nicolas.
>>
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Re: Jetbrains considers to deprecate Tapestry plugin in IntelliJ 2019.3
Posted by Emmanuel Sowah <es...@gmail.com>.
Well John, that historic argument of missing code and presentation was
probably oversold as bad then just to push a new thing unto us. Having used
these modern frameworks in large scale projects, that has never been an
issue. Facebook is using these frameworks too for their global app. Should
that have been an issue, believe me, React would not have been this popular.
By the way, JS is the language of the web and is here to stay. As a java
developer, I don't mind sharpening my JS language skills.
On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 3:02 AM Qbyte Consulting <qb...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> React repeats the same sins as JSP by mixing code and presentation. A
> problem tapestry addressed. Its kind of strange seeing this JSP age issue
> afflict those “better frameworks”.
>
> I’d also wager a SPA could be developed more quickly in tapestry than with
> any JS framework plus an API. Then there there’s also the fact that
> tapestry apps can be developed by any Java developer without a need for
> much additional JS expertise.
>
> Can’t really compare apples and oranges.
>
> John
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On 19 Jun 2019, at 16:18, Emmanuel Sowah <es...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Of course it's understandable that they are going to deprecate it. What
> > kind of creatures are you still stuck to a failed and stone-age framework
> > like Tapestry? Even the original creator, Howard Lewis Ship, has
> abandoned
> > it for better frameworks like React, Angular and Wicket. Guys, wake up
> and
> > stop wasting your time.
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 10:46 PM Nicolas Bouillon <ni...@bouillon.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> Not sure if many of you are using the Tapestry plugins of IntellJ
> Ultimate.
> >>
> >> I do and it's very handy to navigate fastly between components and for
> code
> >> completion in templates.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> https://blog.jetbrains.com/idea/2019/06/plugin-deprecations-in-intellij-idea-v2019-2/
> >>
> >> Tapestry is my favorite framework, and I haven't found any replacement
> with
> >> the killing features such as Live Class Reloading (natively) and
> excellent
> >> error reporting.
> >>
> >> Keep up the good work.
> >>
> >> Nicolas.
> >>
>
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Re: Jetbrains considers to deprecate Tapestry plugin in IntelliJ 2019.3
Posted by Qbyte Consulting <qb...@gmail.com>.
React repeats the same sins as JSP by mixing code and presentation. A problem tapestry addressed. Its kind of strange seeing this JSP age issue afflict those “better frameworks”.
I’d also wager a SPA could be developed more quickly in tapestry than with any JS framework plus an API. Then there there’s also the fact that tapestry apps can be developed by any Java developer without a need for much additional JS expertise.
Can’t really compare apples and oranges.
John
Sent from my iPhone
> On 19 Jun 2019, at 16:18, Emmanuel Sowah <es...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Of course it's understandable that they are going to deprecate it. What
> kind of creatures are you still stuck to a failed and stone-age framework
> like Tapestry? Even the original creator, Howard Lewis Ship, has abandoned
> it for better frameworks like React, Angular and Wicket. Guys, wake up and
> stop wasting your time.
>
> On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 10:46 PM Nicolas Bouillon <ni...@bouillon.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Not sure if many of you are using the Tapestry plugins of IntellJ Ultimate.
>>
>> I do and it's very handy to navigate fastly between components and for code
>> completion in templates.
>>
>>
>> https://blog.jetbrains.com/idea/2019/06/plugin-deprecations-in-intellij-idea-v2019-2/
>>
>> Tapestry is my favorite framework, and I haven't found any replacement with
>> the killing features such as Live Class Reloading (natively) and excellent
>> error reporting.
>>
>> Keep up the good work.
>>
>> Nicolas.
>>
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Re: Jetbrains considers to deprecate Tapestry plugin in IntelliJ 2019.3
Posted by Emmanuel Sowah <es...@gmail.com>.
Of course it's understandable that they are going to deprecate it. What
kind of creatures are you still stuck to a failed and stone-age framework
like Tapestry? Even the original creator, Howard Lewis Ship, has abandoned
it for better frameworks like React, Angular and Wicket. Guys, wake up and
stop wasting your time.
On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 10:46 PM Nicolas Bouillon <ni...@bouillon.net>
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Not sure if many of you are using the Tapestry plugins of IntellJ Ultimate.
>
> I do and it's very handy to navigate fastly between components and for code
> completion in templates.
>
>
> https://blog.jetbrains.com/idea/2019/06/plugin-deprecations-in-intellij-idea-v2019-2/
>
> Tapestry is my favorite framework, and I haven't found any replacement with
> the killing features such as Live Class Reloading (natively) and excellent
> error reporting.
>
> Keep up the good work.
>
> Nicolas.
>
Re: Jetbrains considers to deprecate Tapestry plugin in IntelliJ 2019.3
Posted by Dmitry Gusev <dm...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
To be fair Tapestry support as implemented in the plugin was and is still
very limited and sometimes even misleading, and there's definitely room for
improvements.
But it's still the best we have.
In case you didn't notice, the plugin has been open sourced few months ago:
https://github.com/JetBrains/intellij-plugins/tree/master/tapestry
so maybe we can pick it up from there and build on top of it.
On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 11:46 PM Nicolas Bouillon <ni...@bouillon.net>
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Not sure if many of you are using the Tapestry plugins of IntellJ Ultimate.
>
> I do and it's very handy to navigate fastly between components and for code
> completion in templates.
>
>
> https://blog.jetbrains.com/idea/2019/06/plugin-deprecations-in-intellij-idea-v2019-2/
>
> Tapestry is my favorite framework, and I haven't found any replacement with
> the killing features such as Live Class Reloading (natively) and excellent
> error reporting.
>
> Keep up the good work.
>
> Nicolas.
>
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