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Posted to dev@openoffice.apache.org by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> on 2012/08/21 18:40:00 UTC
Help us brainstorm ideas for Apache OpenOffice 4.0
As we perform the final preparations to release Apache OpenOffice
3.4.1 it is a good time to look ahead to the future. A big
opportunity is OpenOffice 4.0. That once seemed so very far away, but
2013 is getting closer every day. Will it be a large collection of
small ideas? Will it have a major overarching theme? Or will it just
be whatever random stuff we happen to have on a given date when we
release 4.0? The answer, of course, depends on what we, as project
members/volunteers decide to do. It is a good time now, as a
background activity, to poll the community and wider ecosystem on
ideas for Apache OpenOffice 4.0.
To participate, go to this page on Google Moderator, where you can
help us gather and rate ideas:
https://www.google.com/moderator/#16/e=2011d5
A few project members have already "seeded" this with some initial
ideas. Of course, you are encouraged to add your own ideas, as well as
rate the ideas of others. Try not to censor yourself from thinking
outside-of-the-box. We need big ideas as well as incremental ones.
We don't have a close date on this brainstorming activity, but it is
good to get your ideas in early, so there is an opportunity for others
to rate and comment on it.
Regards,
-Rob
Re: Help us brainstorm ideas for Apache OpenOffice 4.0
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Re: Help us brainstorm ideas for Apache OpenOffice 4.0
Posted by Mikkel Bang <fa...@gmail.com>.
http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Calc/To-Dos/Usability#UX_To_Do_List_for_OOo_3.x
Mikkel
2012/8/22 TJ Frazier <tj...@cfl.rr.com>
> On 8/21/2012 18:16, Rory O'Farrell wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 18:12:45 -0400
>> tj <tj...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>> Folks,
>>>
>>> Gently, now. From the number of complaints like this, I suspect we may
>>> have a "black hole" problem, or more than one, of which we are unaware.
>>> Consider the possibilities:
>>>
>>> Request to unsubscribe -- Apache never got it.
>>> Confirmation -- never sent.
>>> Confirmation -- bounced.
>>> Confirmation -- never received by user.
>>>
>>> All of these look the same to the users: a black hole has swallowed the
>>> request.
>>>
>>> A couple of these should be easy to check out by someone with admin
>>> access to ezmlm. % of confirmations bouncing? % never answered by user?
>>> Requests in vs. confirms out? Most likely, the problem isn't really
>>> ours, but we might be able to help pinpoint it.
>>>
>>> /tj/
>>>
>>> On 8/21/2012 15:23, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
>>>
>>>>
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>> That would undoubtedly help. OTOH, even the lamest user complaints can
> show where we have room to improve. Consider the most common: the user
> didn't RTFM. Why not? Couldn't find it (bad advertising). Couldn't find the
> info (bad indexing / TOC). Too confusing (bad writing). Too lazy (okay, the
> intelligence test should include a motivation test, too!).
>
> /tj/
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> assembly language? We'll give Control-K WordStar a run for its money. :-)
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Re: Help us brainstorm ideas for Apache OpenOffice 4.0
Posted by TJ Frazier <tj...@cfl.rr.com>.
On 8/21/2012 18:16, Rory O'Farrell wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 18:12:45 -0400
> tj <tj...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> Folks,
>>
>> Gently, now. From the number of complaints like this, I suspect we may
>> have a "black hole" problem, or more than one, of which we are unaware.
>> Consider the possibilities:
>>
>> Request to unsubscribe -- Apache never got it.
>> Confirmation -- never sent.
>> Confirmation -- bounced.
>> Confirmation -- never received by user.
>>
>> All of these look the same to the users: a black hole has swallowed the
>> request.
>>
>> A couple of these should be easy to check out by someone with admin
>> access to ezmlm. % of confirmations bouncing? % never answered by user?
>> Requests in vs. confirms out? Most likely, the problem isn't really
>> ours, but we might be able to help pinpoint it.
>>
>> /tj/
>>
>> On 8/21/2012 15:23, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
>>>
>>> YOU CAN DO IT ON YOUR OWN, THE ONLY THING YOU HAVE TO DO IS TO SEND AN
>>> EMAIL TO
>>>
>>> ooo-users-unsubscibre@incubator.apache.org
>>>
>>> THIS INFORMATION IS ALSO AVAILABLE IN THE FOOTER
>>>
>>>
>>> THANKS FOR YOUR INTEREST
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/21/12 8:50 PM, John Logan wrote:
>>>> I cannot cope with all the correspondence on this site about things I do not understand and have no interest in. I have asked to be unsubscribed but nothing has happened. Can you please ensure I am deleted from any personal list of yours I may have inadvertently got onto.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> John
>>>>
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> I incline to the view that we should have some sort of intelligence test before subscr
>
That would undoubtedly help. OTOH, even the lamest user complaints can
show where we have room to improve. Consider the most common: the user
didn't RTFM. Why not? Couldn't find it (bad advertising). Couldn't find
the info (bad indexing / TOC). Too confusing (bad writing). Too lazy
(okay, the intelligence test should include a motivation test, too!).
/tj/
PS: When are we going to get together about porting AOO to CP/M, in Z80
assembly language? We'll give Control-K WordStar a run for its money. :-)
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Re: Help us brainstorm ideas for Apache OpenOffice 4.0
Posted by Doug <dm...@optonline.net>.
On 08/22/2012 03:18 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 7:16 PM, Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie> wrote:
>> I incline to the view that we should have some sort of intelligence test before subscr
> Back in the old days, you had to learn to configure a COM (RS232) port
> for your dial-up modem, set up the dial-up modem "log-in script", and
> then install (in case of DOS+Windows the TCPIP stack aka "Trumpet
> Winsock" (being the most popular).
>
> Then there were the AOL users but those were restricted to their own
> walled garden and did little damage.
>
> That was a high enough entry barrier. Not so anymore. Unfortunately.
>
> ;)
> FC
>
Why? Did you make money writing code for the rest of us
who didn't know how to get this stuff working?
--doug
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Re: Help us brainstorm ideas for Apache OpenOffice 4.0
Posted by Fernando Cassia <fc...@gmail.com>.
On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 7:16 PM, Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie> wrote:
> I incline to the view that we should have some sort of intelligence test before subscr
Back in the old days, you had to learn to configure a COM (RS232) port
for your dial-up modem, set up the dial-up modem "log-in script", and
then install (in case of DOS+Windows the TCPIP stack aka "Trumpet
Winsock" (being the most popular).
Then there were the AOL users but those were restricted to their own
walled garden and did little damage.
That was a high enough entry barrier. Not so anymore. Unfortunately.
;)
FC
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Durante épocas de Engaño Universal, decir la verdad se convierte en un
Acto Revolucionario
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Re: Help us brainstorm ideas for Apache OpenOffice 4.0
Posted by Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie>.
On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 18:12:45 -0400
tj <tj...@apache.org> wrote:
> Folks,
>
> Gently, now. From the number of complaints like this, I suspect we may
> have a "black hole" problem, or more than one, of which we are unaware.
> Consider the possibilities:
>
> Request to unsubscribe -- Apache never got it.
> Confirmation -- never sent.
> Confirmation -- bounced.
> Confirmation -- never received by user.
>
> All of these look the same to the users: a black hole has swallowed the
> request.
>
> A couple of these should be easy to check out by someone with admin
> access to ezmlm. % of confirmations bouncing? % never answered by user?
> Requests in vs. confirms out? Most likely, the problem isn't really
> ours, but we might be able to help pinpoint it.
>
> /tj/
>
> On 8/21/2012 15:23, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
> >
> > YOU CAN DO IT ON YOUR OWN, THE ONLY THING YOU HAVE TO DO IS TO SEND AN
> > EMAIL TO
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> > ooo-users-unsubscibre@incubator.apache.org
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> >
> > On 8/21/12 8:50 PM, John Logan wrote:
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> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> John
> >>
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Re: Help us brainstorm ideas for Apache OpenOffice 4.0
Posted by tj <tj...@apache.org>.
Folks,
Gently, now. From the number of complaints like this, I suspect we may
have a "black hole" problem, or more than one, of which we are unaware.
Consider the possibilities:
Request to unsubscribe -- Apache never got it.
Confirmation -- never sent.
Confirmation -- bounced.
Confirmation -- never received by user.
All of these look the same to the users: a black hole has swallowed the
request.
A couple of these should be easy to check out by someone with admin
access to ezmlm. % of confirmations bouncing? % never answered by user?
Requests in vs. confirms out? Most likely, the problem isn't really
ours, but we might be able to help pinpoint it.
/tj/
On 8/21/2012 15:23, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
>
> YOU CAN DO IT ON YOUR OWN, THE ONLY THING YOU HAVE TO DO IS TO SEND AN
> EMAIL TO
>
> ooo-users-unsubscibre@incubator.apache.org
>
> THIS INFORMATION IS ALSO AVAILABLE IN THE FOOTER
>
>
> THANKS FOR YOUR INTEREST
>
>
> On 8/21/12 8:50 PM, John Logan wrote:
>> I cannot cope with all the correspondence on this site about things I do not understand and have no interest in. I have asked to be unsubscribed but nothing has happened. Can you please ensure I am deleted from any personal list of yours I may have inadvertently got onto.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> John
>>
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Re: Help us brainstorm ideas for Apache OpenOffice 4.0
Posted by Jürgen Schmidt <jo...@gmail.com>.
YOU CAN DO IT ON YOUR OWN, THE ONLY THING YOU HAVE TO DO IS TO SEND AN
EMAIL TO
ooo-users-unsubscibre@incubator.apache.org
THIS INFORMATION IS ALSO AVAILABLE IN THE FOOTER
THANKS FOR YOUR INTEREST
On 8/21/12 8:50 PM, John Logan wrote:
> I cannot cope with all the correspondence on this site about things I do not understand and have no interest in. I have asked to be unsubscribed but nothing has happened. Can you please ensure I am deleted from any personal list of yours I may have inadvertently got onto.
>
> Thanks,
> John
>
> On 21 Aug 2012, at 17:40, Rob Weir wrote:
>
>> As we perform the final preparations to release Apache OpenOffice
>> 3.4.1 it is a good time to look ahead to the future. A big
>> opportunity is OpenOffice 4.0. That once seemed so very far away, but
>> 2013 is getting closer every day. Will it be a large collection of
>> small ideas? Will it have a major overarching theme? Or will it just
>> be whatever random stuff we happen to have on a given date when we
>> release 4.0? The answer, of course, depends on what we, as project
>> members/volunteers decide to do. It is a good time now, as a
>> background activity, to poll the community and wider ecosystem on
>> ideas for Apache OpenOffice 4.0.
>>
>> To participate, go to this page on Google Moderator, where you can
>> help us gather and rate ideas:
>> https://www.google.com/moderator/#16/e=2011d5
>>
>> A few project members have already "seeded" this with some initial
>> ideas. Of course, you are encouraged to add your own ideas, as well as
>> rate the ideas of others. Try not to censor yourself from thinking
>> outside-of-the-box. We need big ideas as well as incremental ones.
>>
>> We don't have a close date on this brainstorming activity, but it is
>> good to get your ideas in early, so there is an opportunity for others
>> to rate and comment on it.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> -Rob
>>
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Re: Help us brainstorm ideas for Apache OpenOffice 4.0
Posted by Dale Erwin <da...@casaerwin.org>.
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On 8/21/2012 1:50 PM, John Logan wrote:
> I cannot cope with all the correspondence on this site about things I do not understand and have no interest in. I have asked to be unsubscribed but nothing has happened. Can you please ensure I am deleted from any personal list of yours I may have inadvertently got onto.
>
> Thanks,
> John
>
> On 21 Aug 2012, at 17:40, Rob Weir wrote:
>
>> As we perform the final preparations to release Apache OpenOffice
>> 3.4.1 it is a good time to look ahead to the future. A big
>> opportunity is OpenOffice 4.0. That once seemed so very far away, but
>> 2013 is getting closer every day. Will it be a large collection of
>> small ideas? Will it have a major overarching theme? Or will it just
>> be whatever random stuff we happen to have on a given date when we
>> release 4.0? The answer, of course, depends on what we, as project
>> members/volunteers decide to do. It is a good time now, as a
>> background activity, to poll the community and wider ecosystem on
>> ideas for Apache OpenOffice 4.0.
>>
>> To participate, go to this page on Google Moderator, where you can
>> help us gather and rate ideas:
>> https://www.google.com/moderator/#16/e=2011d5
>>
>> A few project members have already "seeded" this with some initial
>> ideas. Of course, you are encouraged to add your own ideas, as well as
>> rate the ideas of others. Try not to censor yourself from thinking
>> outside-of-the-box. We need big ideas as well as incremental ones.
>>
>> We don't have a close date on this brainstorming activity, but it is
>> good to get your ideas in early, so there is an opportunity for others
>> to rate and comment on it.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> -Rob
>>
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Re: Help us brainstorm ideas for Apache OpenOffice 4.0
Posted by Peter Junge <pe...@gmx.org>.
John,
depending on which list you want to unsubscribe from you can help
yourself by sending an email either to ...
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... or ...
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You will get an automatic reply. Follow the instructions there.
When unsubscribing, you need to use the email address which is receiving
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Best regards,
Peter
On 8/22/2012 2:50 AM, John Logan wrote:
> I cannot cope with all the correspondence on this site about things I do not understand and have no interest in. I have asked to be unsubscribed but nothing has happened. Can you please ensure I am deleted from any personal list of yours I may have inadvertently got onto.
>
> Thanks,
> John
>
> On 21 Aug 2012, at 17:40, Rob Weir wrote:
>
>> As we perform the final preparations to release Apache OpenOffice
>> 3.4.1 it is a good time to look ahead to the future. A big
>> opportunity is OpenOffice 4.0. That once seemed so very far away, but
>> 2013 is getting closer every day. Will it be a large collection of
>> small ideas? Will it have a major overarching theme? Or will it just
>> be whatever random stuff we happen to have on a given date when we
>> release 4.0? The answer, of course, depends on what we, as project
>> members/volunteers decide to do. It is a good time now, as a
>> background activity, to poll the community and wider ecosystem on
>> ideas for Apache OpenOffice 4.0.
>>
>> To participate, go to this page on Google Moderator, where you can
>> help us gather and rate ideas:
>> https://www.google.com/moderator/#16/e=2011d5
>>
>> A few project members have already "seeded" this with some initial
>> ideas. Of course, you are encouraged to add your own ideas, as well as
>> rate the ideas of others. Try not to censor yourself from thinking
>> outside-of-the-box. We need big ideas as well as incremental ones.
>>
>> We don't have a close date on this brainstorming activity, but it is
>> good to get your ideas in early, so there is an opportunity for others
>> to rate and comment on it.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> -Rob
>>
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>> For additional commands, e-mail: ooo-users-help@incubator.apache.org
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Re: Help us brainstorm ideas for Apache OpenOffice 4.0
Posted by John Logan <lo...@btconnect.com>.
I cannot cope with all the correspondence on this site about things I do not understand and have no interest in. I have asked to be unsubscribed but nothing has happened. Can you please ensure I am deleted from any personal list of yours I may have inadvertently got onto.
Thanks,
John
On 21 Aug 2012, at 17:40, Rob Weir wrote:
> As we perform the final preparations to release Apache OpenOffice
> 3.4.1 it is a good time to look ahead to the future. A big
> opportunity is OpenOffice 4.0. That once seemed so very far away, but
> 2013 is getting closer every day. Will it be a large collection of
> small ideas? Will it have a major overarching theme? Or will it just
> be whatever random stuff we happen to have on a given date when we
> release 4.0? The answer, of course, depends on what we, as project
> members/volunteers decide to do. It is a good time now, as a
> background activity, to poll the community and wider ecosystem on
> ideas for Apache OpenOffice 4.0.
>
> To participate, go to this page on Google Moderator, where you can
> help us gather and rate ideas:
> https://www.google.com/moderator/#16/e=2011d5
>
> A few project members have already "seeded" this with some initial
> ideas. Of course, you are encouraged to add your own ideas, as well as
> rate the ideas of others. Try not to censor yourself from thinking
> outside-of-the-box. We need big ideas as well as incremental ones.
>
> We don't have a close date on this brainstorming activity, but it is
> good to get your ideas in early, so there is an opportunity for others
> to rate and comment on it.
>
> Regards,
>
> -Rob
>
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Re: Help us brainstorm ideas for Apache OpenOffice 4.0
Posted by John Logan <lo...@btconnect.com>.
I cannot cope with all the correspondence on this site about things I do not understand and have no interest in. I have asked to be unsubscribed but nothing has happened. Can you please ensure I am deleted from any personal list of yours I may have inadvertently got onto.
Thanks,
John
On 21 Aug 2012, at 17:40, Rob Weir wrote:
> As we perform the final preparations to release Apache OpenOffice
> 3.4.1 it is a good time to look ahead to the future. A big
> opportunity is OpenOffice 4.0. That once seemed so very far away, but
> 2013 is getting closer every day. Will it be a large collection of
> small ideas? Will it have a major overarching theme? Or will it just
> be whatever random stuff we happen to have on a given date when we
> release 4.0? The answer, of course, depends on what we, as project
> members/volunteers decide to do. It is a good time now, as a
> background activity, to poll the community and wider ecosystem on
> ideas for Apache OpenOffice 4.0.
>
> To participate, go to this page on Google Moderator, where you can
> help us gather and rate ideas:
> https://www.google.com/moderator/#16/e=2011d5
>
> A few project members have already "seeded" this with some initial
> ideas. Of course, you are encouraged to add your own ideas, as well as
> rate the ideas of others. Try not to censor yourself from thinking
> outside-of-the-box. We need big ideas as well as incremental ones.
>
> We don't have a close date on this brainstorming activity, but it is
> good to get your ideas in early, so there is an opportunity for others
> to rate and comment on it.
>
> Regards,
>
> -Rob
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Re: Help us brainstorm ideas for Apache OpenOffice 4.0
Posted by Reizinger Zoltán <zr...@hdsnet.hu>.
2012.08.21. 18:40 keltezéssel, Rob Weir írta:
> As we perform the final preparations to release Apache OpenOffice
> 3.4.1 it is a good time to look ahead to the future. A big
> opportunity is OpenOffice 4.0. That once seemed so very far away, but
> 2013 is getting closer every day. Will it be a large collection of
> small ideas? Will it have a major overarching theme? Or will it just
> be whatever random stuff we happen to have on a given date when we
> release 4.0? The answer, of course, depends on what we, as project
> members/volunteers decide to do. It is a good time now, as a
> background activity, to poll the community and wider ecosystem on
> ideas for Apache OpenOffice 4.0.
>
> To participate, go to this page on Google Moderator, where you can
> help us gather and rate ideas:
> https://www.google.com/moderator/#16/e=2011d5
>
> A few project members have already "seeded" this with some initial
> ideas. Of course, you are encouraged to add your own ideas, as well as
> rate the ideas of others. Try not to censor yourself from thinking
> outside-of-the-box. We need big ideas as well as incremental ones.
>
> We don't have a close date on this brainstorming activity, but it is
> good to get your ideas in early, so there is an opportunity for others
> to rate and comment on it.
>
> Regards,
>
> -Rob
>
In old days around 2008-2009 we made similar brainstorming on OOo Base
features, and we put all ideas into wiki page:
http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Base/Features/Pool
It is a "wild ideas list" not prioritized most of them valid for present
state of Base.
Regards,
Zoltan
Re: Help us brainstorm ideas for Apache OpenOffice 4.0
Posted by Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie>.
On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 09:27:04 -0400
Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 12:56 PM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> > On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 12:40 PM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> >> As we perform the final preparations to release Apache OpenOffice
> >> 3.4.1 it is a good time to look ahead to the future. A big
> >> opportunity is OpenOffice 4.0. That once seemed so very far away, but
> >> 2013 is getting closer every day. Will it be a large collection of
> >> small ideas? Will it have a major overarching theme? Or will it just
> >> be whatever random stuff we happen to have on a given date when we
> >> release 4.0? The answer, of course, depends on what we, as project
> >> members/volunteers decide to do. It is a good time now, as a
> >> background activity, to poll the community and wider ecosystem on
> >> ideas for Apache OpenOffice 4.0.
> >>
> >> To participate, go to this page on Google Moderator, where you can
> >> help us gather and rate ideas:
> >> https://www.google.com/moderator/#16/e=2011d5
> >>
> >> A few project members have already "seeded" this with some initial
> >> ideas. Of course, you are encouraged to add your own ideas, as well as
> >> rate the ideas of others. Try not to censor yourself from thinking
> >> outside-of-the-box. We need big ideas as well as incremental ones.
> >>
> >> We don't have a close date on this brainstorming activity, but it is
> >> good to get your ideas in early, so there is an opportunity for others
> >> to rate and comment on it.
> >>
> >
> > This brainstorming has been ongoing for 3 weeks now. So far, so good.
> > The latest stats are:
> >
> > 533 people have submitted 456 ideas and cast 6,491 votes
> >
>
> Today, a week later: 633 users - 527 ideas - 7,607 votes
>
> So we are still getting a good amount of feedback. I added a mention
> of this brainstorming on the www.openoffice.org website header. That
> should give this even more visibility.
>
> I've heard from some that it would be good to get to a point where we
> can take a "snapshot" of the feedback received, and process that, to
> help set priorities for AOO 4.0.
>
> Would it make sense to do that in another week, say on October 1st?
We should close feedback nominaly at end of September.
>
> At that point we can:
>
> 1) Put a "thank you" note on the Google Moderator page and stop
> accepting new suggestions. Point the users to the ooo-users or
> ooo-dev mailing list instead,
>
> 2) Export the ideas and scores received so far to a CSV file and
> archive that someplace.
This is probably the first step in the analysis of the feedback; many of the suggestions will amalgamate under more general headings, for example, suggestions for better doc/docx support will most probably amalgamate with suggestions for better MS format support.
>
> 3) Discuss the results received
>
> 4) Maybe a blog post to highlight the brainstorming activity and the
> results received?
>
> Any other ideas?
After the analysis process perhaps list the top ten on the Google Moderator site, without committment that they will be progressed into AOO 4.0
>
> I don't need to own any of this, but since I started it I'm willing to
> finish it. But if anyone else wants to take a lead on this, please
> volunteer.
>
> Regards,
>
> -Rob
>
> > If you have not reviewed the new ideas recently, it would be worth
> > taking another look. It is good that all ideas are rated, not just
> > the ones that came in early.
> >
> > Maybe let it run to the end of September and then we can snapshot it
> > and start analyzing the results? Or mid October? It would be good to
> > wrap this up in advance of ApacheCon, so we can discuss further there.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > -Rob
> >
> >
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> -Rob
>
--
Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie>
Re: Help us brainstorm ideas for Apache OpenOffice 4.0
Posted by Shenfeng Liu <li...@gmail.com>.
2012/10/11 Kevin Grignon <ke...@gmail.com>
> KG01 - see comments inline
>
> On Oct 10, 2012, at 11:03 PM, Shenfeng Liu <li...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi, all,
> > I went through top 180 ideas, and here is my summary till now:
> >
> > 1. OOXML has 12 ideas, and totally 989 + votes
> > 2. Modern UI has 11 ideas, and totally 347 + votes
> > 3. Loading performance has 4 ideas and got 310 + votes
> > 4. MS binary format support has 4 ideas and 269 + votes
> > 5. Toolbar/sidebar related ideas are 8, and 257 + votes
> > 6. 2 ideas ask for patch/update, and got 253 + votes
> > 7. Preference setting related ideas are 8 and 244 + votes
> > 8. Copy/paste related ideas are 4 and 207 + votes
> > 9. Install improvement related ideas are 4 and got 176 + votes
> > 10. Mobile support ideas are 4 and got 171 + votes
> >
> > About 40 ideas are requiring new features, and got >1300 + votes
> > 17 ideas are to improve user experience for various operations, and got
> >> 400 + votes
> > 9 ideas are about social integration, and got 383 votes
> > 13 asking for the enhancement of existing functions, and got 377 + votes
> >
> > It is difficult to categorize the ideas and count. I wonder if Kevin can
> > define some criteria and we can pick up different areas to build up the
> > report.
> >
> >
> KG01 - I'll take a look.
>
> You you have the info in a spreadsheet?
>
> Kevin
>
> Kevin,
Yes, I imported the data from CVS into a spreadsheet, with some of the
tags I added when filtering the ideas. I will send it to you later today.
Thanks!
- Simon
>
> > - Simon
> >
> >
> >
> > 2012/10/2 Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>
> >
> >> On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 10:19 PM, Kevin Grignon
> >> <ke...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> On the subject of snapshots, we should be mindful to also perform other
> >>> period snapshots:
> >>>
> >>> - Facebook comments
> >>> - Google+ comments
> >>> - Twitter comments
> >>> - Forum topics of interest
> >>> - etc.
> >>>
> >>> Again, harvest and post to community wikis for reference.
> >>>
> >>> Managing the social data is Effort, but is a great way to engage the
> >>> community and gather some data and insight.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Perhaps a good way of doing this would be to use an existing social
> >> bookmarking service, one that also allows tagging, e.g., Diigo,
> >> Delicious, etc. That way those who are interested in collecting
> >> interesting posts from Google+, Twitter, or the web in general, could
> >> easily submit it and tag it. Most of these services have either
> >> browser plugin or bookmarklet support to make it easy. A folksonomy
> >> could develop to categorize links in various ways. Some services
> >> allow a discussion thread per link, or even page annotation features.
> >>
> >>
> >> -Rob
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Kevin
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Kevin Grignon <
> >> kevingrignon.oo@gmail.com>wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Agreed, let's close the session and capture the results in the
> community
> >>>> wiki.
> >>>>
> >>>> Moving forward, I like the idea of running targeted sessions for
> >> specific
> >>>> topics.
> >>>>
> >>>> For example, our next topic could ask people to share their usage
> >>>> scenarios for social integration. No wrong answers, just a way to get
> a
> >>>> sense of what everyone what to accomplish by social integration and
> >> perform
> >>>> some informal polling.
> >>>>
> >>>> I would volunteer to create a few examples to get the moderator
> session
> >>>> started.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thoughts?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 3:49 AM, Albino B Neto <bi...@apache.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hi
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Update:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 1.099 people have submitted 894 ideas and cast 13.080 votes
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Albino
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>
>
Re: Help us brainstorm ideas for Apache OpenOffice 4.0
Posted by Kevin Grignon <ke...@gmail.com>.
KG01 - see comments inline
On Oct 10, 2012, at 11:03 PM, Shenfeng Liu <li...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi, all,
> I went through top 180 ideas, and here is my summary till now:
>
> 1. OOXML has 12 ideas, and totally 989 + votes
> 2. Modern UI has 11 ideas, and totally 347 + votes
> 3. Loading performance has 4 ideas and got 310 + votes
> 4. MS binary format support has 4 ideas and 269 + votes
> 5. Toolbar/sidebar related ideas are 8, and 257 + votes
> 6. 2 ideas ask for patch/update, and got 253 + votes
> 7. Preference setting related ideas are 8 and 244 + votes
> 8. Copy/paste related ideas are 4 and 207 + votes
> 9. Install improvement related ideas are 4 and got 176 + votes
> 10. Mobile support ideas are 4 and got 171 + votes
>
> About 40 ideas are requiring new features, and got >1300 + votes
> 17 ideas are to improve user experience for various operations, and got
>> 400 + votes
> 9 ideas are about social integration, and got 383 votes
> 13 asking for the enhancement of existing functions, and got 377 + votes
>
> It is difficult to categorize the ideas and count. I wonder if Kevin can
> define some criteria and we can pick up different areas to build up the
> report.
>
>
KG01 - I'll take a look.
You you have the info in a spreadsheet?
Kevin
> - Simon
>
>
>
> 2012/10/2 Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>
>
>> On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 10:19 PM, Kevin Grignon
>> <ke...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On the subject of snapshots, we should be mindful to also perform other
>>> period snapshots:
>>>
>>> - Facebook comments
>>> - Google+ comments
>>> - Twitter comments
>>> - Forum topics of interest
>>> - etc.
>>>
>>> Again, harvest and post to community wikis for reference.
>>>
>>> Managing the social data is Effort, but is a great way to engage the
>>> community and gather some data and insight.
>>>
>>
>> Perhaps a good way of doing this would be to use an existing social
>> bookmarking service, one that also allows tagging, e.g., Diigo,
>> Delicious, etc. That way those who are interested in collecting
>> interesting posts from Google+, Twitter, or the web in general, could
>> easily submit it and tag it. Most of these services have either
>> browser plugin or bookmarklet support to make it easy. A folksonomy
>> could develop to categorize links in various ways. Some services
>> allow a discussion thread per link, or even page annotation features.
>>
>>
>> -Rob
>>
>>
>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Kevin
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Kevin Grignon <
>> kevingrignon.oo@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Agreed, let's close the session and capture the results in the community
>>>> wiki.
>>>>
>>>> Moving forward, I like the idea of running targeted sessions for
>> specific
>>>> topics.
>>>>
>>>> For example, our next topic could ask people to share their usage
>>>> scenarios for social integration. No wrong answers, just a way to get a
>>>> sense of what everyone what to accomplish by social integration and
>> perform
>>>> some informal polling.
>>>>
>>>> I would volunteer to create a few examples to get the moderator session
>>>> started.
>>>>
>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 3:49 AM, Albino B Neto <bi...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi
>>>>>
>>>>> Update:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1.099 people have submitted 894 ideas and cast 13.080 votes
>>>>>
>>>>> Albino
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
Re: Help us brainstorm ideas for Apache OpenOffice 4.0
Posted by Shenfeng Liu <li...@gmail.com>.
Hi, all,
I went through top 180 ideas, and here is my summary till now:
1. OOXML has 12 ideas, and totally 989 + votes
2. Modern UI has 11 ideas, and totally 347 + votes
3. Loading performance has 4 ideas and got 310 + votes
4. MS binary format support has 4 ideas and 269 + votes
5. Toolbar/sidebar related ideas are 8, and 257 + votes
6. 2 ideas ask for patch/update, and got 253 + votes
7. Preference setting related ideas are 8 and 244 + votes
8. Copy/paste related ideas are 4 and 207 + votes
9. Install improvement related ideas are 4 and got 176 + votes
10. Mobile support ideas are 4 and got 171 + votes
About 40 ideas are requiring new features, and got >1300 + votes
17 ideas are to improve user experience for various operations, and got
>400 + votes
9 ideas are about social integration, and got 383 votes
13 asking for the enhancement of existing functions, and got 377 + votes
It is difficult to categorize the ideas and count. I wonder if Kevin can
define some criteria and we can pick up different areas to build up the
report.
- Simon
2012/10/2 Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>
> On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 10:19 PM, Kevin Grignon
> <ke...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On the subject of snapshots, we should be mindful to also perform other
> > period snapshots:
> >
> > - Facebook comments
> > - Google+ comments
> > - Twitter comments
> > - Forum topics of interest
> > - etc.
> >
> > Again, harvest and post to community wikis for reference.
> >
> > Managing the social data is Effort, but is a great way to engage the
> > community and gather some data and insight.
> >
>
> Perhaps a good way of doing this would be to use an existing social
> bookmarking service, one that also allows tagging, e.g., Diigo,
> Delicious, etc. That way those who are interested in collecting
> interesting posts from Google+, Twitter, or the web in general, could
> easily submit it and tag it. Most of these services have either
> browser plugin or bookmarklet support to make it easy. A folksonomy
> could develop to categorize links in various ways. Some services
> allow a discussion thread per link, or even page annotation features.
>
>
> -Rob
>
>
>
> > Regards,
> > Kevin
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Kevin Grignon <
> kevingrignon.oo@gmail.com>wrote:
> >
> >> Agreed, let's close the session and capture the results in the community
> >> wiki.
> >>
> >> Moving forward, I like the idea of running targeted sessions for
> specific
> >> topics.
> >>
> >> For example, our next topic could ask people to share their usage
> >> scenarios for social integration. No wrong answers, just a way to get a
> >> sense of what everyone what to accomplish by social integration and
> perform
> >> some informal polling.
> >>
> >> I would volunteer to create a few examples to get the moderator session
> >> started.
> >>
> >> Thoughts?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 3:49 AM, Albino B Neto <bi...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi
> >>>
> >>> Update:
> >>>
> >>> 1.099 people have submitted 894 ideas and cast 13.080 votes
> >>>
> >>> Albino
> >>>
> >>
> >>
>
Re: Help us brainstorm ideas for Apache OpenOffice 4.0
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 10:19 PM, Kevin Grignon
<ke...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On the subject of snapshots, we should be mindful to also perform other
> period snapshots:
>
> - Facebook comments
> - Google+ comments
> - Twitter comments
> - Forum topics of interest
> - etc.
>
> Again, harvest and post to community wikis for reference.
>
> Managing the social data is Effort, but is a great way to engage the
> community and gather some data and insight.
>
Perhaps a good way of doing this would be to use an existing social
bookmarking service, one that also allows tagging, e.g., Diigo,
Delicious, etc. That way those who are interested in collecting
interesting posts from Google+, Twitter, or the web in general, could
easily submit it and tag it. Most of these services have either
browser plugin or bookmarklet support to make it easy. A folksonomy
could develop to categorize links in various ways. Some services
allow a discussion thread per link, or even page annotation features.
-Rob
> Regards,
> Kevin
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Kevin Grignon <ke...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Agreed, let's close the session and capture the results in the community
>> wiki.
>>
>> Moving forward, I like the idea of running targeted sessions for specific
>> topics.
>>
>> For example, our next topic could ask people to share their usage
>> scenarios for social integration. No wrong answers, just a way to get a
>> sense of what everyone what to accomplish by social integration and perform
>> some informal polling.
>>
>> I would volunteer to create a few examples to get the moderator session
>> started.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 3:49 AM, Albino B Neto <bi...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> Update:
>>>
>>> 1.099 people have submitted 894 ideas and cast 13.080 votes
>>>
>>> Albino
>>>
>>
>>
Re: Help us brainstorm ideas for Apache OpenOffice 4.0
Posted by Kevin Grignon <ke...@gmail.com>.
On the subject of snapshots, we should be mindful to also perform other
period snapshots:
- Facebook comments
- Google+ comments
- Twitter comments
- Forum topics of interest
- etc.
Again, harvest and post to community wikis for reference.
Managing the social data is Effort, but is a great way to engage the
community and gather some data and insight.
Regards,
Kevin
On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Kevin Grignon <ke...@gmail.com>wrote:
> Agreed, let's close the session and capture the results in the community
> wiki.
>
> Moving forward, I like the idea of running targeted sessions for specific
> topics.
>
> For example, our next topic could ask people to share their usage
> scenarios for social integration. No wrong answers, just a way to get a
> sense of what everyone what to accomplish by social integration and perform
> some informal polling.
>
> I would volunteer to create a few examples to get the moderator session
> started.
>
> Thoughts?
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 3:49 AM, Albino B Neto <bi...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> Update:
>>
>> 1.099 people have submitted 894 ideas and cast 13.080 votes
>>
>> Albino
>>
>
>
Re: Help us brainstorm ideas for Apache OpenOffice 4.0
Posted by Kevin Grignon <ke...@gmail.com>.
Agreed, let's close the session and capture the results in the community
wiki.
Moving forward, I like the idea of running targeted sessions for specific
topics.
For example, our next topic could ask people to share their usage scenarios
for social integration. No wrong answers, just a way to get a sense of what
everyone what to accomplish by social integration and perform some informal
polling.
I would volunteer to create a few examples to get the moderator session
started.
Thoughts?
On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 3:49 AM, Albino B Neto <bi...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi
>
> Update:
>
> 1.099 people have submitted 894 ideas and cast 13.080 votes
>
> Albino
>
Re: Help us brainstorm ideas for Apache OpenOffice 4.0
Posted by Albino B Neto <bi...@apache.org>.
Hi
Update:
1.099 people have submitted 894 ideas and cast 13.080 votes
Albino
Re: Help us brainstorm ideas for Apache OpenOffice 4.0
Posted by Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie>.
On Mon, 1 Oct 2012 12:53:10 -0400
Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 3:12 PM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> > On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> >> On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 12:56 PM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>> On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 12:40 PM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>>> As we perform the final preparations to release Apache OpenOffice
> >>>> 3.4.1 it is a good time to look ahead to the future. A big
> >>>> opportunity is OpenOffice 4.0. That once seemed so very far away, but
> >>>> 2013 is getting closer every day. Will it be a large collection of
> >>>> small ideas? Will it have a major overarching theme? Or will it just
> >>>> be whatever random stuff we happen to have on a given date when we
> >>>> release 4.0? The answer, of course, depends on what we, as project
> >>>> members/volunteers decide to do. It is a good time now, as a
> >>>> background activity, to poll the community and wider ecosystem on
> >>>> ideas for Apache OpenOffice 4.0.
> >>>>
> >>>> To participate, go to this page on Google Moderator, where you can
> >>>> help us gather and rate ideas:
> >>>> https://www.google.com/moderator/#16/e=2011d5
> >>>>
> >>>> A few project members have already "seeded" this with some initial
> >>>> ideas. Of course, you are encouraged to add your own ideas, as well as
> >>>> rate the ideas of others. Try not to censor yourself from thinking
> >>>> outside-of-the-box. We need big ideas as well as incremental ones.
> >>>>
> >>>> We don't have a close date on this brainstorming activity, but it is
> >>>> good to get your ideas in early, so there is an opportunity for others
> >>>> to rate and comment on it.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> This brainstorming has been ongoing for 3 weeks now. So far, so good.
> >>> The latest stats are:
> >>>
> >>> 533 people have submitted 456 ideas and cast 6,491 votes
> >>>
> >>
> >> Today, a week later: 633 users - 527 ideas - 7,607 votes
> >>
> >
> >
> > And two days later, with no additional promotion other than placing a
> > link on the home page, and we're at:
> >
> > ===> 807 people have submitted 652 ideas and cast 9,358 votes
> >
> > So we're still getting a good amount of visits and even new ideas. I
> > encourage everyone to review the new ideas as they come in. Ideas are
> > important, of course, but the collective rating of ideas is the key.
> >
> > As planned, I'll start to wrap this up on October 1st, next Tuesday.
> >
>
> Final count was:
>
> 1,095 people have submitted 885 ideas and cast 13,019 votes
>
> So still coming in strong, though I detect a good amount of repetition
> at this point.
>
> I've exported a CSV snapshot of the results and checked it into SVN here:
>
> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/ooo/pmc/brainstorming/google-moderator.csv
>
> It imports into OpenOffice well, if you configure to use commas as the
> delimiter in the import dialog. It has all of the ideas submitted, in
> all of the categories, as well as per-idea positive and negative vote
> totals.
>
> I don't see any way to pause the Google Moderator instance or tell it
> to stop allowing new submissions. I put a comment on the homepage of
> our "series" saying we were done and thanking those who had taken the
> time to submit or rate ideas:
>
> http://www.google.com/moderator/#16/e=2011d5
>
> We do have the option of deleting the series altogether. Otherwise
> we're going to continue getting new ideas. But is that a bad thing?
> It is if no one from the project is monitoring it. But "continuous
> brainstorming" might have some value if we stay engaged with it. On
> the other hand, if it becomes a routine thing then it will confuse
> some users between when they use Bugzilla (which also has a voting
> mechanism) versus Google Moderator. IMHO we should delete our
> Moderator page, but set up a new one in the future if we want to do a
> period of concentrated brain storming. Maybe a more focused topic
> next time.
>
> So unless anyone really wants to see us keep that instance up, I'll
> delete it next Monday. (And remember we have a snapshot of all the
> data in a CSV file in Subversion).
I agree. Take the snapshot and close the Moderator page; if the submissions prove useful, we can start it again for a later revision of AOO when some of the current suggestions are in place.
>
> Regards,
>
> -Rob
>
> > -Rob
> >
> >> So we are still getting a good amount of feedback. I added a mention
> >> of this brainstorming on the www.openoffice.org website header. That
> >> should give this even more visibility.
> >>
> >> I've heard from some that it would be good to get to a point where we
> >> can take a "snapshot" of the feedback received, and process that, to
> >> help set priorities for AOO 4.0.
> >>
> >> Would it make sense to do that in another week, say on October 1st?
> >>
> >> At that point we can:
> >>
> >> 1) Put a "thank you" note on the Google Moderator page and stop
> >> accepting new suggestions. Point the users to the ooo-users or
> >> ooo-dev mailing list instead,
> >>
> >> 2) Export the ideas and scores received so far to a CSV file and
> >> archive that someplace.
> >>
> >> 3) Discuss the results received
> >>
> >> 4) Maybe a blog post to highlight the brainstorming activity and the
> >> results received?
> >>
> >> Any other ideas?
> >>
> >> I don't need to own any of this, but since I started it I'm willing to
> >> finish it. But if anyone else wants to take a lead on this, please
> >> volunteer.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> -Rob
> >>
> >>> If you have not reviewed the new ideas recently, it would be worth
> >>> taking another look. It is good that all ideas are rated, not just
> >>> the ones that came in early.
> >>>
> >>> Maybe let it run to the end of September and then we can snapshot it
> >>> and start analyzing the results? Or mid October? It would be good to
> >>> wrap this up in advance of ApacheCon, so we can discuss further there.
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>>
> >>> -Rob
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Regards,
> >>>>
> >>>> -Rob
>
--
Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie>
Re: Help us brainstorm ideas for Apache OpenOffice 4.0
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 3:12 PM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
>> On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 12:56 PM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 12:40 PM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>> As we perform the final preparations to release Apache OpenOffice
>>>> 3.4.1 it is a good time to look ahead to the future. A big
>>>> opportunity is OpenOffice 4.0. That once seemed so very far away, but
>>>> 2013 is getting closer every day. Will it be a large collection of
>>>> small ideas? Will it have a major overarching theme? Or will it just
>>>> be whatever random stuff we happen to have on a given date when we
>>>> release 4.0? The answer, of course, depends on what we, as project
>>>> members/volunteers decide to do. It is a good time now, as a
>>>> background activity, to poll the community and wider ecosystem on
>>>> ideas for Apache OpenOffice 4.0.
>>>>
>>>> To participate, go to this page on Google Moderator, where you can
>>>> help us gather and rate ideas:
>>>> https://www.google.com/moderator/#16/e=2011d5
>>>>
>>>> A few project members have already "seeded" this with some initial
>>>> ideas. Of course, you are encouraged to add your own ideas, as well as
>>>> rate the ideas of others. Try not to censor yourself from thinking
>>>> outside-of-the-box. We need big ideas as well as incremental ones.
>>>>
>>>> We don't have a close date on this brainstorming activity, but it is
>>>> good to get your ideas in early, so there is an opportunity for others
>>>> to rate and comment on it.
>>>>
>>>
>>> This brainstorming has been ongoing for 3 weeks now. So far, so good.
>>> The latest stats are:
>>>
>>> 533 people have submitted 456 ideas and cast 6,491 votes
>>>
>>
>> Today, a week later: 633 users - 527 ideas - 7,607 votes
>>
>
>
> And two days later, with no additional promotion other than placing a
> link on the home page, and we're at:
>
> ===> 807 people have submitted 652 ideas and cast 9,358 votes
>
> So we're still getting a good amount of visits and even new ideas. I
> encourage everyone to review the new ideas as they come in. Ideas are
> important, of course, but the collective rating of ideas is the key.
>
> As planned, I'll start to wrap this up on October 1st, next Tuesday.
>
Final count was:
1,095 people have submitted 885 ideas and cast 13,019 votes
So still coming in strong, though I detect a good amount of repetition
at this point.
I've exported a CSV snapshot of the results and checked it into SVN here:
https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/ooo/pmc/brainstorming/google-moderator.csv
It imports into OpenOffice well, if you configure to use commas as the
delimiter in the import dialog. It has all of the ideas submitted, in
all of the categories, as well as per-idea positive and negative vote
totals.
I don't see any way to pause the Google Moderator instance or tell it
to stop allowing new submissions. I put a comment on the homepage of
our "series" saying we were done and thanking those who had taken the
time to submit or rate ideas:
http://www.google.com/moderator/#16/e=2011d5
We do have the option of deleting the series altogether. Otherwise
we're going to continue getting new ideas. But is that a bad thing?
It is if no one from the project is monitoring it. But "continuous
brainstorming" might have some value if we stay engaged with it. On
the other hand, if it becomes a routine thing then it will confuse
some users between when they use Bugzilla (which also has a voting
mechanism) versus Google Moderator. IMHO we should delete our
Moderator page, but set up a new one in the future if we want to do a
period of concentrated brain storming. Maybe a more focused topic
next time.
So unless anyone really wants to see us keep that instance up, I'll
delete it next Monday. (And remember we have a snapshot of all the
data in a CSV file in Subversion).
Regards,
-Rob
> -Rob
>
>> So we are still getting a good amount of feedback. I added a mention
>> of this brainstorming on the www.openoffice.org website header. That
>> should give this even more visibility.
>>
>> I've heard from some that it would be good to get to a point where we
>> can take a "snapshot" of the feedback received, and process that, to
>> help set priorities for AOO 4.0.
>>
>> Would it make sense to do that in another week, say on October 1st?
>>
>> At that point we can:
>>
>> 1) Put a "thank you" note on the Google Moderator page and stop
>> accepting new suggestions. Point the users to the ooo-users or
>> ooo-dev mailing list instead,
>>
>> 2) Export the ideas and scores received so far to a CSV file and
>> archive that someplace.
>>
>> 3) Discuss the results received
>>
>> 4) Maybe a blog post to highlight the brainstorming activity and the
>> results received?
>>
>> Any other ideas?
>>
>> I don't need to own any of this, but since I started it I'm willing to
>> finish it. But if anyone else wants to take a lead on this, please
>> volunteer.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> -Rob
>>
>>> If you have not reviewed the new ideas recently, it would be worth
>>> taking another look. It is good that all ideas are rated, not just
>>> the ones that came in early.
>>>
>>> Maybe let it run to the end of September and then we can snapshot it
>>> and start analyzing the results? Or mid October? It would be good to
>>> wrap this up in advance of ApacheCon, so we can discuss further there.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> -Rob
>>>
>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> -Rob
Re: Help us brainstorm ideas for Apache OpenOffice 4.0
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 12:56 PM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
>> On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 12:40 PM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> As we perform the final preparations to release Apache OpenOffice
>>> 3.4.1 it is a good time to look ahead to the future. A big
>>> opportunity is OpenOffice 4.0. That once seemed so very far away, but
>>> 2013 is getting closer every day. Will it be a large collection of
>>> small ideas? Will it have a major overarching theme? Or will it just
>>> be whatever random stuff we happen to have on a given date when we
>>> release 4.0? The answer, of course, depends on what we, as project
>>> members/volunteers decide to do. It is a good time now, as a
>>> background activity, to poll the community and wider ecosystem on
>>> ideas for Apache OpenOffice 4.0.
>>>
>>> To participate, go to this page on Google Moderator, where you can
>>> help us gather and rate ideas:
>>> https://www.google.com/moderator/#16/e=2011d5
>>>
>>> A few project members have already "seeded" this with some initial
>>> ideas. Of course, you are encouraged to add your own ideas, as well as
>>> rate the ideas of others. Try not to censor yourself from thinking
>>> outside-of-the-box. We need big ideas as well as incremental ones.
>>>
>>> We don't have a close date on this brainstorming activity, but it is
>>> good to get your ideas in early, so there is an opportunity for others
>>> to rate and comment on it.
>>>
>>
>> This brainstorming has been ongoing for 3 weeks now. So far, so good.
>> The latest stats are:
>>
>> 533 people have submitted 456 ideas and cast 6,491 votes
>>
>
> Today, a week later: 633 users - 527 ideas - 7,607 votes
>
And two days later, with no additional promotion other than placing a
link on the home page, and we're at:
===> 807 people have submitted 652 ideas and cast 9,358 votes
So we're still getting a good amount of visits and even new ideas. I
encourage everyone to review the new ideas as they come in. Ideas are
important, of course, but the collective rating of ideas is the key.
As planned, I'll start to wrap this up on October 1st, next Tuesday.
-Rob
> So we are still getting a good amount of feedback. I added a mention
> of this brainstorming on the www.openoffice.org website header. That
> should give this even more visibility.
>
> I've heard from some that it would be good to get to a point where we
> can take a "snapshot" of the feedback received, and process that, to
> help set priorities for AOO 4.0.
>
> Would it make sense to do that in another week, say on October 1st?
>
> At that point we can:
>
> 1) Put a "thank you" note on the Google Moderator page and stop
> accepting new suggestions. Point the users to the ooo-users or
> ooo-dev mailing list instead,
>
> 2) Export the ideas and scores received so far to a CSV file and
> archive that someplace.
>
> 3) Discuss the results received
>
> 4) Maybe a blog post to highlight the brainstorming activity and the
> results received?
>
> Any other ideas?
>
> I don't need to own any of this, but since I started it I'm willing to
> finish it. But if anyone else wants to take a lead on this, please
> volunteer.
>
> Regards,
>
> -Rob
>
>> If you have not reviewed the new ideas recently, it would be worth
>> taking another look. It is good that all ideas are rated, not just
>> the ones that came in early.
>>
>> Maybe let it run to the end of September and then we can snapshot it
>> and start analyzing the results? Or mid October? It would be good to
>> wrap this up in advance of ApacheCon, so we can discuss further there.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> -Rob
>>
>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> -Rob
Re: Help us brainstorm ideas for Apache OpenOffice 4.0
Posted by Kevin Grignon <ke...@gmail.com>.
UX is willing to help as well.
Regards,
Kevin
On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 10:33 PM, Shenfeng Liu <li...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 2012/9/25 Jürgen Schmidt <jo...@gmail.com>
>
> > On 9/25/12 3:27 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
> > > On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 12:56 PM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >> On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 12:40 PM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> > >>> As we perform the final preparations to release Apache OpenOffice
> > >>> 3.4.1 it is a good time to look ahead to the future. A big
> > >>> opportunity is OpenOffice 4.0. That once seemed so very far away,
> but
> > >>> 2013 is getting closer every day. Will it be a large collection of
> > >>> small ideas? Will it have a major overarching theme? Or will it
> just
> > >>> be whatever random stuff we happen to have on a given date when we
> > >>> release 4.0? The answer, of course, depends on what we, as project
> > >>> members/volunteers decide to do. It is a good time now, as a
> > >>> background activity, to poll the community and wider ecosystem on
> > >>> ideas for Apache OpenOffice 4.0.
> > >>>
> > >>> To participate, go to this page on Google Moderator, where you can
> > >>> help us gather and rate ideas:
> > >>> https://www.google.com/moderator/#16/e=2011d5
> > >>>
> > >>> A few project members have already "seeded" this with some initial
> > >>> ideas. Of course, you are encouraged to add your own ideas, as well
> as
> > >>> rate the ideas of others. Try not to censor yourself from thinking
> > >>> outside-of-the-box. We need big ideas as well as incremental ones.
> > >>>
> > >>> We don't have a close date on this brainstorming activity, but it is
> > >>> good to get your ideas in early, so there is an opportunity for
> others
> > >>> to rate and comment on it.
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> This brainstorming has been ongoing for 3 weeks now. So far, so good.
> > >> The latest stats are:
> > >>
> > >> 533 people have submitted 456 ideas and cast 6,491 votes
> > >>
> > >
> > > Today, a week later: 633 users - 527 ideas - 7,607 votes
> > >
> > > So we are still getting a good amount of feedback. I added a mention
> > > of this brainstorming on the www.openoffice.org website header. That
> > > should give this even more visibility.
> > >
> > > I've heard from some that it would be good to get to a point where we
> > > can take a "snapshot" of the feedback received, and process that, to
> > > help set priorities for AOO 4.0.
> > >
> > > Would it make sense to do that in another week, say on October 1st?
> > >
> > > At that point we can:
> > >
> > > 1) Put a "thank you" note on the Google Moderator page and stop
> > > accepting new suggestions. Point the users to the ooo-users or
> > > ooo-dev mailing list instead,
> > >
> > > 2) Export the ideas and scores received so far to a CSV file and
> > > archive that someplace.
> > >
> > > 3) Discuss the results received
> > >
> > > 4) Maybe a blog post to highlight the brainstorming activity and the
> > > results received?
> > >
> > > Any other ideas?
> >
> > not directly. We should analyze it first and should create some overall
> > story out of it for our next release. I think this can help to prepare
> > some marketing material in time for this release as well. It's time that
> > we sell our work a little bit better ;-)
> >
> > I agree with all 4 points and I am willing to help them where I can. I
> > expect point 3) will be a bigger item where hopefully many will
> > participate and I am looking forward to this. I saw many interesting
> > stuff already.
> >
>
> I'm also willing to help. I think we can break down the work and each
> people take different topics to categorize the ideas and count the vote.
>
> - Simon
>
>
>
> >
> > Juergen
> >
> > >
> > > I don't need to own any of this, but since I started it I'm willing to
> > > finish it. But if anyone else wants to take a lead on this, please
> > > volunteer.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > -Rob
> > >
> > >> If you have not reviewed the new ideas recently, it would be worth
> > >> taking another look. It is good that all ideas are rated, not just
> > >> the ones that came in early.
> > >>
> > >> Maybe let it run to the end of September and then we can snapshot it
> > >> and start analyzing the results? Or mid October? It would be good to
> > >> wrap this up in advance of ApacheCon, so we can discuss further there.
> > >>
> > >> Regards,
> > >>
> > >> -Rob
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> Regards,
> > >>>
> > >>> -Rob
> >
> >
>
Re: Help us brainstorm ideas for Apache OpenOffice 4.0
Posted by Shenfeng Liu <li...@gmail.com>.
2012/9/25 Jürgen Schmidt <jo...@gmail.com>
> On 9/25/12 3:27 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
> > On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 12:56 PM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> >> On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 12:40 PM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>> As we perform the final preparations to release Apache OpenOffice
> >>> 3.4.1 it is a good time to look ahead to the future. A big
> >>> opportunity is OpenOffice 4.0. That once seemed so very far away, but
> >>> 2013 is getting closer every day. Will it be a large collection of
> >>> small ideas? Will it have a major overarching theme? Or will it just
> >>> be whatever random stuff we happen to have on a given date when we
> >>> release 4.0? The answer, of course, depends on what we, as project
> >>> members/volunteers decide to do. It is a good time now, as a
> >>> background activity, to poll the community and wider ecosystem on
> >>> ideas for Apache OpenOffice 4.0.
> >>>
> >>> To participate, go to this page on Google Moderator, where you can
> >>> help us gather and rate ideas:
> >>> https://www.google.com/moderator/#16/e=2011d5
> >>>
> >>> A few project members have already "seeded" this with some initial
> >>> ideas. Of course, you are encouraged to add your own ideas, as well as
> >>> rate the ideas of others. Try not to censor yourself from thinking
> >>> outside-of-the-box. We need big ideas as well as incremental ones.
> >>>
> >>> We don't have a close date on this brainstorming activity, but it is
> >>> good to get your ideas in early, so there is an opportunity for others
> >>> to rate and comment on it.
> >>>
> >>
> >> This brainstorming has been ongoing for 3 weeks now. So far, so good.
> >> The latest stats are:
> >>
> >> 533 people have submitted 456 ideas and cast 6,491 votes
> >>
> >
> > Today, a week later: 633 users - 527 ideas - 7,607 votes
> >
> > So we are still getting a good amount of feedback. I added a mention
> > of this brainstorming on the www.openoffice.org website header. That
> > should give this even more visibility.
> >
> > I've heard from some that it would be good to get to a point where we
> > can take a "snapshot" of the feedback received, and process that, to
> > help set priorities for AOO 4.0.
> >
> > Would it make sense to do that in another week, say on October 1st?
> >
> > At that point we can:
> >
> > 1) Put a "thank you" note on the Google Moderator page and stop
> > accepting new suggestions. Point the users to the ooo-users or
> > ooo-dev mailing list instead,
> >
> > 2) Export the ideas and scores received so far to a CSV file and
> > archive that someplace.
> >
> > 3) Discuss the results received
> >
> > 4) Maybe a blog post to highlight the brainstorming activity and the
> > results received?
> >
> > Any other ideas?
>
> not directly. We should analyze it first and should create some overall
> story out of it for our next release. I think this can help to prepare
> some marketing material in time for this release as well. It's time that
> we sell our work a little bit better ;-)
>
> I agree with all 4 points and I am willing to help them where I can. I
> expect point 3) will be a bigger item where hopefully many will
> participate and I am looking forward to this. I saw many interesting
> stuff already.
>
I'm also willing to help. I think we can break down the work and each
people take different topics to categorize the ideas and count the vote.
- Simon
>
> Juergen
>
> >
> > I don't need to own any of this, but since I started it I'm willing to
> > finish it. But if anyone else wants to take a lead on this, please
> > volunteer.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > -Rob
> >
> >> If you have not reviewed the new ideas recently, it would be worth
> >> taking another look. It is good that all ideas are rated, not just
> >> the ones that came in early.
> >>
> >> Maybe let it run to the end of September and then we can snapshot it
> >> and start analyzing the results? Or mid October? It would be good to
> >> wrap this up in advance of ApacheCon, so we can discuss further there.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> -Rob
> >>
> >>
> >>> Regards,
> >>>
> >>> -Rob
>
>
Re: Help us brainstorm ideas for Apache OpenOffice 4.0
Posted by Jürgen Schmidt <jo...@gmail.com>.
On 9/25/12 3:27 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 12:56 PM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
>> On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 12:40 PM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> As we perform the final preparations to release Apache OpenOffice
>>> 3.4.1 it is a good time to look ahead to the future. A big
>>> opportunity is OpenOffice 4.0. That once seemed so very far away, but
>>> 2013 is getting closer every day. Will it be a large collection of
>>> small ideas? Will it have a major overarching theme? Or will it just
>>> be whatever random stuff we happen to have on a given date when we
>>> release 4.0? The answer, of course, depends on what we, as project
>>> members/volunteers decide to do. It is a good time now, as a
>>> background activity, to poll the community and wider ecosystem on
>>> ideas for Apache OpenOffice 4.0.
>>>
>>> To participate, go to this page on Google Moderator, where you can
>>> help us gather and rate ideas:
>>> https://www.google.com/moderator/#16/e=2011d5
>>>
>>> A few project members have already "seeded" this with some initial
>>> ideas. Of course, you are encouraged to add your own ideas, as well as
>>> rate the ideas of others. Try not to censor yourself from thinking
>>> outside-of-the-box. We need big ideas as well as incremental ones.
>>>
>>> We don't have a close date on this brainstorming activity, but it is
>>> good to get your ideas in early, so there is an opportunity for others
>>> to rate and comment on it.
>>>
>>
>> This brainstorming has been ongoing for 3 weeks now. So far, so good.
>> The latest stats are:
>>
>> 533 people have submitted 456 ideas and cast 6,491 votes
>>
>
> Today, a week later: 633 users - 527 ideas - 7,607 votes
>
> So we are still getting a good amount of feedback. I added a mention
> of this brainstorming on the www.openoffice.org website header. That
> should give this even more visibility.
>
> I've heard from some that it would be good to get to a point where we
> can take a "snapshot" of the feedback received, and process that, to
> help set priorities for AOO 4.0.
>
> Would it make sense to do that in another week, say on October 1st?
>
> At that point we can:
>
> 1) Put a "thank you" note on the Google Moderator page and stop
> accepting new suggestions. Point the users to the ooo-users or
> ooo-dev mailing list instead,
>
> 2) Export the ideas and scores received so far to a CSV file and
> archive that someplace.
>
> 3) Discuss the results received
>
> 4) Maybe a blog post to highlight the brainstorming activity and the
> results received?
>
> Any other ideas?
not directly. We should analyze it first and should create some overall
story out of it for our next release. I think this can help to prepare
some marketing material in time for this release as well. It's time that
we sell our work a little bit better ;-)
I agree with all 4 points and I am willing to help them where I can. I
expect point 3) will be a bigger item where hopefully many will
participate and I am looking forward to this. I saw many interesting
stuff already.
Juergen
>
> I don't need to own any of this, but since I started it I'm willing to
> finish it. But if anyone else wants to take a lead on this, please
> volunteer.
>
> Regards,
>
> -Rob
>
>> If you have not reviewed the new ideas recently, it would be worth
>> taking another look. It is good that all ideas are rated, not just
>> the ones that came in early.
>>
>> Maybe let it run to the end of September and then we can snapshot it
>> and start analyzing the results? Or mid October? It would be good to
>> wrap this up in advance of ApacheCon, so we can discuss further there.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> -Rob
>>
>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> -Rob
Re: Help us brainstorm ideas for Apache OpenOffice 4.0
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 12:56 PM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 12:40 PM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
>> As we perform the final preparations to release Apache OpenOffice
>> 3.4.1 it is a good time to look ahead to the future. A big
>> opportunity is OpenOffice 4.0. That once seemed so very far away, but
>> 2013 is getting closer every day. Will it be a large collection of
>> small ideas? Will it have a major overarching theme? Or will it just
>> be whatever random stuff we happen to have on a given date when we
>> release 4.0? The answer, of course, depends on what we, as project
>> members/volunteers decide to do. It is a good time now, as a
>> background activity, to poll the community and wider ecosystem on
>> ideas for Apache OpenOffice 4.0.
>>
>> To participate, go to this page on Google Moderator, where you can
>> help us gather and rate ideas:
>> https://www.google.com/moderator/#16/e=2011d5
>>
>> A few project members have already "seeded" this with some initial
>> ideas. Of course, you are encouraged to add your own ideas, as well as
>> rate the ideas of others. Try not to censor yourself from thinking
>> outside-of-the-box. We need big ideas as well as incremental ones.
>>
>> We don't have a close date on this brainstorming activity, but it is
>> good to get your ideas in early, so there is an opportunity for others
>> to rate and comment on it.
>>
>
> This brainstorming has been ongoing for 3 weeks now. So far, so good.
> The latest stats are:
>
> 533 people have submitted 456 ideas and cast 6,491 votes
>
Today, a week later: 633 users - 527 ideas - 7,607 votes
So we are still getting a good amount of feedback. I added a mention
of this brainstorming on the www.openoffice.org website header. That
should give this even more visibility.
I've heard from some that it would be good to get to a point where we
can take a "snapshot" of the feedback received, and process that, to
help set priorities for AOO 4.0.
Would it make sense to do that in another week, say on October 1st?
At that point we can:
1) Put a "thank you" note on the Google Moderator page and stop
accepting new suggestions. Point the users to the ooo-users or
ooo-dev mailing list instead,
2) Export the ideas and scores received so far to a CSV file and
archive that someplace.
3) Discuss the results received
4) Maybe a blog post to highlight the brainstorming activity and the
results received?
Any other ideas?
I don't need to own any of this, but since I started it I'm willing to
finish it. But if anyone else wants to take a lead on this, please
volunteer.
Regards,
-Rob
> If you have not reviewed the new ideas recently, it would be worth
> taking another look. It is good that all ideas are rated, not just
> the ones that came in early.
>
> Maybe let it run to the end of September and then we can snapshot it
> and start analyzing the results? Or mid October? It would be good to
> wrap this up in advance of ApacheCon, so we can discuss further there.
>
> Regards,
>
> -Rob
>
>
>> Regards,
>>
>> -Rob
Re: Help us brainstorm ideas for Apache OpenOffice 4.0
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 12:40 PM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> As we perform the final preparations to release Apache OpenOffice
> 3.4.1 it is a good time to look ahead to the future. A big
> opportunity is OpenOffice 4.0. That once seemed so very far away, but
> 2013 is getting closer every day. Will it be a large collection of
> small ideas? Will it have a major overarching theme? Or will it just
> be whatever random stuff we happen to have on a given date when we
> release 4.0? The answer, of course, depends on what we, as project
> members/volunteers decide to do. It is a good time now, as a
> background activity, to poll the community and wider ecosystem on
> ideas for Apache OpenOffice 4.0.
>
> To participate, go to this page on Google Moderator, where you can
> help us gather and rate ideas:
> https://www.google.com/moderator/#16/e=2011d5
>
> A few project members have already "seeded" this with some initial
> ideas. Of course, you are encouraged to add your own ideas, as well as
> rate the ideas of others. Try not to censor yourself from thinking
> outside-of-the-box. We need big ideas as well as incremental ones.
>
> We don't have a close date on this brainstorming activity, but it is
> good to get your ideas in early, so there is an opportunity for others
> to rate and comment on it.
>
This brainstorming has been ongoing for 3 weeks now. So far, so good.
The latest stats are:
533 people have submitted 456 ideas and cast 6,491 votes
If you have not reviewed the new ideas recently, it would be worth
taking another look. It is good that all ideas are rated, not just
the ones that came in early.
Maybe let it run to the end of September and then we can snapshot it
and start analyzing the results? Or mid October? It would be good to
wrap this up in advance of ApacheCon, so we can discuss further there.
Regards,
-Rob
> Regards,
>
> -Rob
Re: Help us brainstorm ideas for Apache OpenOffice 4.0
Posted by Jürgen Schmidt <jo...@gmail.com>.
On 8/22/12 7:54 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 12:51 PM, Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie> wrote:
>> On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 16:24:31 +0200
>> Jürgen Schmidt <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 8/22/12 4:03 PM, Kevin Grignon wrote:
>>>> Agreed, Moderator is a great tool to rank our ideas.
>>>
>>> 196 people have submitted 164 ideas and cast 1,852 votes until now
>>>
>>> Juergen
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, August 22, 2012 <x-apple-data-detectors://82>, Rob Weir wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 9:32 PM, Shenfeng Liu <liushenf@gmail.com<javascript:;>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Back to the topic... :) The page looks great! I submitted 1 UI proposal
>>>>> and
>>>>>> voted for some others...
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> So far: 117 people have submitted 103 ideas and cast 902 votes
>>>>>
>>>>> -Rob
>>>>>
>>>>>> - Simon
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2012/8/22 <x-apple-data-detectors://85> Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org<javascript:;>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As we perform the final preparations to release Apache OpenOffice
>>>>>>> 3.4.1 it is a good time to look ahead to the future. A big
>>>>>>> opportunity is OpenOffice 4.0. That once seemed so very far away, but
>>>>>>> 2013 is getting closer every day. Will it be a large collection of
>>>>>>> small ideas? Will it have a major overarching theme? Or will it just
>>>>>>> be whatever random stuff we happen to have on a given date when we
>>>>>>> release 4.0? The answer, of course, depends on what we, as project
>>>>>>> members/volunteers decide to do. It is a good time now, as a
>>>>>>> background activity, to poll the community and wider ecosystem on
>>>>>>> ideas for Apache OpenOffice 4.0.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To participate, go to this page on Google Moderator, where you can
>>>>>>> help us gather and rate ideas:
>>>>>>> https://www.google.com/moderator/#16/e=2011d5
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A few project members have already "seeded" this with some initial
>>>>>>> ideas. Of course, you are encouraged to add your own ideas, as well as
>>>>>>> rate the ideas of others. Try not to censor yourself from thinking
>>>>>>> outside-of-the-box. We need big ideas as well as incremental ones.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We don't have a close date on this brainstorming activity, but it is
>>>>>>> good to get your ideas in early, so there is an opportunity for others
>>>>>>> to rate and comment on it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Rob
>>
>> When Rob passed the address to this list, I took the liberty of posting it on the User Experience subforum of the en Forum
>>
>> http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewforum.php?f=106
>>
>> so that interested Users might contribute their ideas.
>>
>
> Good idea. Thanks.
>
> I see that @SourceForge just sent out a tweet about this
> brainstorming. It is mentioned in our release announcement as well.
I did the same on Xing
Juergen
>
> -Rob
>
>
>> --
>> Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie>
Re: Help us brainstorm ideas for Apache OpenOffice 4.0
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 12:51 PM, Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie> wrote:
> On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 16:24:31 +0200
> Jürgen Schmidt <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 8/22/12 4:03 PM, Kevin Grignon wrote:
>> > Agreed, Moderator is a great tool to rank our ideas.
>>
>> 196 people have submitted 164 ideas and cast 1,852 votes until now
>>
>> Juergen
>>
>> >
>> > On Wednesday, August 22, 2012 <x-apple-data-detectors://82>, Rob Weir wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 9:32 PM, Shenfeng Liu <liushenf@gmail.com<javascript:;>>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>> Back to the topic... :) The page looks great! I submitted 1 UI proposal
>> >> and
>> >>> voted for some others...
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> So far: 117 people have submitted 103 ideas and cast 902 votes
>> >>
>> >> -Rob
>> >>
>> >>> - Simon
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> 2012/8/22 <x-apple-data-detectors://85> Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org<javascript:;>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> As we perform the final preparations to release Apache OpenOffice
>> >>>> 3.4.1 it is a good time to look ahead to the future. A big
>> >>>> opportunity is OpenOffice 4.0. That once seemed so very far away, but
>> >>>> 2013 is getting closer every day. Will it be a large collection of
>> >>>> small ideas? Will it have a major overarching theme? Or will it just
>> >>>> be whatever random stuff we happen to have on a given date when we
>> >>>> release 4.0? The answer, of course, depends on what we, as project
>> >>>> members/volunteers decide to do. It is a good time now, as a
>> >>>> background activity, to poll the community and wider ecosystem on
>> >>>> ideas for Apache OpenOffice 4.0.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> To participate, go to this page on Google Moderator, where you can
>> >>>> help us gather and rate ideas:
>> >>>> https://www.google.com/moderator/#16/e=2011d5
>> >>>>
>> >>>> A few project members have already "seeded" this with some initial
>> >>>> ideas. Of course, you are encouraged to add your own ideas, as well as
>> >>>> rate the ideas of others. Try not to censor yourself from thinking
>> >>>> outside-of-the-box. We need big ideas as well as incremental ones.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> We don't have a close date on this brainstorming activity, but it is
>> >>>> good to get your ideas in early, so there is an opportunity for others
>> >>>> to rate and comment on it.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Regards,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> -Rob
>
> When Rob passed the address to this list, I took the liberty of posting it on the User Experience subforum of the en Forum
>
> http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewforum.php?f=106
>
> so that interested Users might contribute their ideas.
>
Good idea. Thanks.
I see that @SourceForge just sent out a tweet about this
brainstorming. It is mentioned in our release announcement as well.
-Rob
> --
> Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie>
Re: Help us brainstorm ideas for Apache OpenOffice 4.0
Posted by Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie>.
On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 16:24:31 +0200
Jürgen Schmidt <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 8/22/12 4:03 PM, Kevin Grignon wrote:
> > Agreed, Moderator is a great tool to rank our ideas.
>
> 196 people have submitted 164 ideas and cast 1,852 votes until now
>
> Juergen
>
> >
> > On Wednesday, August 22, 2012 <x-apple-data-detectors://82>, Rob Weir wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 9:32 PM, Shenfeng Liu <liushenf@gmail.com<javascript:;>>
> >> wrote:
> >>> Back to the topic... :) The page looks great! I submitted 1 UI proposal
> >> and
> >>> voted for some others...
> >>>
> >>
> >> So far: 117 people have submitted 103 ideas and cast 902 votes
> >>
> >> -Rob
> >>
> >>> - Simon
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 2012/8/22 <x-apple-data-detectors://85> Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org<javascript:;>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> As we perform the final preparations to release Apache OpenOffice
> >>>> 3.4.1 it is a good time to look ahead to the future. A big
> >>>> opportunity is OpenOffice 4.0. That once seemed so very far away, but
> >>>> 2013 is getting closer every day. Will it be a large collection of
> >>>> small ideas? Will it have a major overarching theme? Or will it just
> >>>> be whatever random stuff we happen to have on a given date when we
> >>>> release 4.0? The answer, of course, depends on what we, as project
> >>>> members/volunteers decide to do. It is a good time now, as a
> >>>> background activity, to poll the community and wider ecosystem on
> >>>> ideas for Apache OpenOffice 4.0.
> >>>>
> >>>> To participate, go to this page on Google Moderator, where you can
> >>>> help us gather and rate ideas:
> >>>> https://www.google.com/moderator/#16/e=2011d5
> >>>>
> >>>> A few project members have already "seeded" this with some initial
> >>>> ideas. Of course, you are encouraged to add your own ideas, as well as
> >>>> rate the ideas of others. Try not to censor yourself from thinking
> >>>> outside-of-the-box. We need big ideas as well as incremental ones.
> >>>>
> >>>> We don't have a close date on this brainstorming activity, but it is
> >>>> good to get your ideas in early, so there is an opportunity for others
> >>>> to rate and comment on it.
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards,
> >>>>
> >>>> -Rob
When Rob passed the address to this list, I took the liberty of posting it on the User Experience subforum of the en Forum
http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewforum.php?f=106
so that interested Users might contribute their ideas.
--
Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie>
Re: Help us brainstorm ideas for Apache OpenOffice 4.0
Posted by Jürgen Schmidt <jo...@gmail.com>.
On 8/22/12 4:03 PM, Kevin Grignon wrote:
> Agreed, Moderator is a great tool to rank our ideas.
196 people have submitted 164 ideas and cast 1,852 votes until now
Juergen
>
> On Wednesday, August 22, 2012 <x-apple-data-detectors://82>, Rob Weir wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 9:32 PM, Shenfeng Liu <liushenf@gmail.com<javascript:;>>
>> wrote:
>>> Back to the topic... :) The page looks great! I submitted 1 UI proposal
>> and
>>> voted for some others...
>>>
>>
>> So far: 117 people have submitted 103 ideas and cast 902 votes
>>
>> -Rob
>>
>>> - Simon
>>>
>>>
>>> 2012/8/22 <x-apple-data-detectors://85> Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org<javascript:;>
>>>
>>>
>>>> As we perform the final preparations to release Apache OpenOffice
>>>> 3.4.1 it is a good time to look ahead to the future. A big
>>>> opportunity is OpenOffice 4.0. That once seemed so very far away, but
>>>> 2013 is getting closer every day. Will it be a large collection of
>>>> small ideas? Will it have a major overarching theme? Or will it just
>>>> be whatever random stuff we happen to have on a given date when we
>>>> release 4.0? The answer, of course, depends on what we, as project
>>>> members/volunteers decide to do. It is a good time now, as a
>>>> background activity, to poll the community and wider ecosystem on
>>>> ideas for Apache OpenOffice 4.0.
>>>>
>>>> To participate, go to this page on Google Moderator, where you can
>>>> help us gather and rate ideas:
>>>> https://www.google.com/moderator/#16/e=2011d5
>>>>
>>>> A few project members have already "seeded" this with some initial
>>>> ideas. Of course, you are encouraged to add your own ideas, as well as
>>>> rate the ideas of others. Try not to censor yourself from thinking
>>>> outside-of-the-box. We need big ideas as well as incremental ones.
>>>>
>>>> We don't have a close date on this brainstorming activity, but it is
>>>> good to get your ideas in early, so there is an opportunity for others
>>>> to rate and comment on it.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> -Rob
>>>>
>>
>
Re: Help us brainstorm ideas for Apache OpenOffice 4.0
Posted by Kevin Grignon <ke...@gmail.com>.
Agreed, Moderator is a great tool to rank our ideas.
On Wednesday, August 22, 2012 <x-apple-data-detectors://82>, Rob Weir wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 9:32 PM, Shenfeng Liu <liushenf@gmail.com<javascript:;>>
> wrote:
> > Back to the topic... :) The page looks great! I submitted 1 UI proposal
> and
> > voted for some others...
> >
>
> So far: 117 people have submitted 103 ideas and cast 902 votes
>
> -Rob
>
> > - Simon
> >
> >
> > 2012/8/22 <x-apple-data-detectors://85> Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org<javascript:;>
> >
> >
> >> As we perform the final preparations to release Apache OpenOffice
> >> 3.4.1 it is a good time to look ahead to the future. A big
> >> opportunity is OpenOffice 4.0. That once seemed so very far away, but
> >> 2013 is getting closer every day. Will it be a large collection of
> >> small ideas? Will it have a major overarching theme? Or will it just
> >> be whatever random stuff we happen to have on a given date when we
> >> release 4.0? The answer, of course, depends on what we, as project
> >> members/volunteers decide to do. It is a good time now, as a
> >> background activity, to poll the community and wider ecosystem on
> >> ideas for Apache OpenOffice 4.0.
> >>
> >> To participate, go to this page on Google Moderator, where you can
> >> help us gather and rate ideas:
> >> https://www.google.com/moderator/#16/e=2011d5
> >>
> >> A few project members have already "seeded" this with some initial
> >> ideas. Of course, you are encouraged to add your own ideas, as well as
> >> rate the ideas of others. Try not to censor yourself from thinking
> >> outside-of-the-box. We need big ideas as well as incremental ones.
> >>
> >> We don't have a close date on this brainstorming activity, but it is
> >> good to get your ideas in early, so there is an opportunity for others
> >> to rate and comment on it.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> -Rob
> >>
>
Re: Help us brainstorm ideas for Apache OpenOffice 4.0
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 9:32 PM, Shenfeng Liu <li...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Back to the topic... :) The page looks great! I submitted 1 UI proposal and
> voted for some others...
>
So far: 117 people have submitted 103 ideas and cast 902 votes
-Rob
> - Simon
>
>
> 2012/8/22 Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>
>
>> As we perform the final preparations to release Apache OpenOffice
>> 3.4.1 it is a good time to look ahead to the future. A big
>> opportunity is OpenOffice 4.0. That once seemed so very far away, but
>> 2013 is getting closer every day. Will it be a large collection of
>> small ideas? Will it have a major overarching theme? Or will it just
>> be whatever random stuff we happen to have on a given date when we
>> release 4.0? The answer, of course, depends on what we, as project
>> members/volunteers decide to do. It is a good time now, as a
>> background activity, to poll the community and wider ecosystem on
>> ideas for Apache OpenOffice 4.0.
>>
>> To participate, go to this page on Google Moderator, where you can
>> help us gather and rate ideas:
>> https://www.google.com/moderator/#16/e=2011d5
>>
>> A few project members have already "seeded" this with some initial
>> ideas. Of course, you are encouraged to add your own ideas, as well as
>> rate the ideas of others. Try not to censor yourself from thinking
>> outside-of-the-box. We need big ideas as well as incremental ones.
>>
>> We don't have a close date on this brainstorming activity, but it is
>> good to get your ideas in early, so there is an opportunity for others
>> to rate and comment on it.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> -Rob
>>
Re: Help us brainstorm ideas for Apache OpenOffice 4.0
Posted by Shenfeng Liu <li...@gmail.com>.
Back to the topic... :) The page looks great! I submitted 1 UI proposal and
voted for some others...
- Simon
2012/8/22 Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>
> As we perform the final preparations to release Apache OpenOffice
> 3.4.1 it is a good time to look ahead to the future. A big
> opportunity is OpenOffice 4.0. That once seemed so very far away, but
> 2013 is getting closer every day. Will it be a large collection of
> small ideas? Will it have a major overarching theme? Or will it just
> be whatever random stuff we happen to have on a given date when we
> release 4.0? The answer, of course, depends on what we, as project
> members/volunteers decide to do. It is a good time now, as a
> background activity, to poll the community and wider ecosystem on
> ideas for Apache OpenOffice 4.0.
>
> To participate, go to this page on Google Moderator, where you can
> help us gather and rate ideas:
> https://www.google.com/moderator/#16/e=2011d5
>
> A few project members have already "seeded" this with some initial
> ideas. Of course, you are encouraged to add your own ideas, as well as
> rate the ideas of others. Try not to censor yourself from thinking
> outside-of-the-box. We need big ideas as well as incremental ones.
>
> We don't have a close date on this brainstorming activity, but it is
> good to get your ideas in early, so there is an opportunity for others
> to rate and comment on it.
>
> Regards,
>
> -Rob
>