Re: Logo Development (was RE: Apache Corinthia website is up and running)

["Dennis E. Hamilton" <or...@apache.org>]

Subdividing threads is common and easy and it is important when there is something substantial that needs focus.

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From: jan i [mailto:jani@apache.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 03:15
To: dev@corinthia.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Apache Corinthia website is up and running

On 23 December 2014 at 11:58, Daniel Gruno <hu...@apache.org> wrote:

>
> On 2014-12-23 11:55, jan i wrote:
>
>> On 23 December 2014 at 11:31, Daniel Gruno <hu...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>>  +0:
>>> Please put the logo proposal in a separate thread, it's quite an
>>> important
>>> matter and should not be hidden inside a web site thread.
>>>
>>>  I have no problem with a separate thread, but to me, website/fb/twitter
>> and
>> Logo are tightly connected. If the logo changes (apart from stylish
>> changes) the main picture should also change.
>>

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> They are, but only the logo is a trademark issue, and thus it needs a
> separate thread.
>

Trademarks issues is a whole different discussion, where we have to start
with a name search (see status page) to get the name accepted, it does not
seem correct to have the logo accepted before the name.

There has been some debate on general@i.a.o when it is appropriate for a
podling to start discussing trademarks, and to me it seemed to be something
to be done when we are close to graduating.

The owl is hand drawn by dorte, based on a photo taken and modified by
dorte, so seen from that point there are no conflicts in terms of
trademarks....it is of course a different matter whether or not the
community like it.

but as I just wrote in a separate mail, if you or others feel it should be
discussed separately it is not a problem for me.

<orcmid>
   Do not confuse Copyright with Trademark.  That an image is the original
   work of someone does not prevent it from coming under trademark law. 
   Trademark is similar to Patent in that respect, and in the US the
   administration of trademark registrations is under the same organization
   that deals with patents.

   The trademark status of the proposed name, "Apache Corinthia" and the use 
   of an associated logo are somewhat orthogonal.  

   For now, we can assess the design, its suitability for adaptation to
   various usages, and its appeal.  Let's look at how the logo stands on 
   its own.

   Since we're talking about a visual symbol, a good place to do this is on
   the wiki, where images can be included.
</orcmid>
   

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Re: Logo Development (was RE: Apache Corinthia website is up and running)

[jan i <ja...@apache.org>]

On 23 December 2014 at 16:43, Dennis E. Hamilton <or...@apache.org> wrote:

> Subdividing threads is common and easy and it is important when there is
> something substantial that needs focus.
>
>  -- comments below on --
> From: jan i [mailto:jani@apache.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 03:15
> To: dev@corinthia.incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Apache Corinthia website is up and running
>
> On 23 December 2014 at 11:58, Daniel Gruno <hu...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> >
> > On 2014-12-23 11:55, jan i wrote:
> >
> >> On 23 December 2014 at 11:31, Daniel Gruno <hu...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>  +0:
> >>> Please put the logo proposal in a separate thread, it's quite an
> >>> important
> >>> matter and should not be hidden inside a web site thread.
> >>>
> >>>  I have no problem with a separate thread, but to me,
> website/fb/twitter
> >> and
> >> Logo are tightly connected. If the logo changes (apart from stylish
> >> changes) the main picture should also change.
> >>
>
> [ ... ]
> > They are, but only the logo is a trademark issue, and thus it needs a
> > separate thread.
> >
>
> Trademarks issues is a whole different discussion, where we have to start
> with a name search (see status page) to get the name accepted, it does not
> seem correct to have the logo accepted before the name.
>
> There has been some debate on general@i.a.o when it is appropriate for a
> podling to start discussing trademarks, and to me it seemed to be something
> to be done when we are close to graduating.
>
> The owl is hand drawn by dorte, based on a photo taken and modified by
> dorte, so seen from that point there are no conflicts in terms of
> trademarks....it is of course a different matter whether or not the
> community like it.
>
> but as I just wrote in a separate mail, if you or others feel it should be
> discussed separately it is not a problem for me.
>
> <orcmid>
>    Do not confuse Copyright with Trademark.  That an image is the original
>    work of someone does not prevent it from coming under trademark law.
>    Trademark is similar to Patent in that respect, and in the US the
>    administration of trademark registrations is under the same organization
>    that deals with patents.
>
>    The trademark status of the proposed name, "Apache Corinthia" and the
> use
>    of an associated logo are somewhat orthogonal.
>
and in any case not something we need to consider right now....before we
send anything to trademarks we have quite a lot of homework to do.


>
>    For now, we can assess the design, its suitability for adaptation to
>    various usages, and its appeal.  Let's look at how the logo stands on
>    its own.
>
>    Since we're talking about a visual symbol, a good place to do this is on
>    the wiki, where images can be included.
>
Except our wiki is not available at the moment, it is still being setup.

I would think a good place to look at it, is where it is used....on
web/facebook/twitter or right click on it and download it.

My problem is that I dont see us using it for more than
web/facebook/twitter for quite sometime, but of course I might be wrong.

But I am not sure what the suggested line of action is ? do we stop using
it on the web etc for now, does someone start a new discussion or ?

rgds
jan i.

ps. orcmid@ you wrote earlier that I dont need to copy you, the mail from
you has dev@ and orcmid@ so a simply reply all would cause that effect.
Have you done something in your client so that your address is listed ?



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RE: Logo Development (was RE: Apache Corinthia website is up and running)

["Dennis E. Hamilton" <or...@apache.org>]

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From: Dorte Fjalland [mailto:dortecasacondor@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 11:02
To: dev@corinthia.incubator.apache.org; orcmid@apache.org
Subject: Re: Logo Development (was RE: Apache Corinthia website is up and running)

On 23 December 2014 at 18:49, Dennis E. Hamilton <or...@apache.org> wrote:

> Dorte,
>
> I am not clear what is not for public use about the image?
>
> Do you mean the xcf specifically (which is not meant as an interchange
> format)?
>
Hi Dennis, the jpgs on the website are for public use of course. The file I
sent to Daniel is the original in gimp format and not public. Not sure what
you mean by interchange format.
Dorte

<orcmid>
   Thank you, I understand now.

   Although xcf is implemented by some other software than gimp, it is not 
   promised that it will be kept stable and compatible from version to 
   Version of gimp.  That's in contrast with SVG, say, which is a standard
   format independent of a particular implementation.

   No matter.  I have no further license concerns.
</orcmid>

Re: Logo Development (was RE: Apache Corinthia website is up and running)

[Dorte Fjalland <do...@gmail.com>]

On 23 December 2014 at 18:49, Dennis E. Hamilton <or...@apache.org> wrote:

> Dorte,
>
> I am not clear what is not for public use about the image?
>
> Do you mean the xcf specifically (which is not meant as an interchange
> format)?
>
Hi Dennis, the jpgs on the website are for public use of course. The file I
sent to Daniel is the original in gimp format and not public. Not sure what
you mean by interchange format.
Dorte

>
> Or do you have restrictions on the images that appear on the web site?  In
> that case, we need to find a way to use different material and/or provide
> some kind of notice.
>
>  - Dennis
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dorte Fjalland [mailto:dortecasacondor@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 06:03
> To: dev@corinthia.incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Apache Corinthia website is up and running
>
> On 23 December 2014 at 12:14, jan i <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> [ ... ]
> > > Is there a place where I can get the original own image? in high
> > > resolution?
> > >
> >
> You are welcome to give it a try. I will mail the xcf file to you. Please
> note that it is the image used for the cover pic and is it not for public
> use.
>
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>
>

RE: Logo Development (was RE: Apache Corinthia website is up and running)

["Dennis E. Hamilton" <or...@apache.org>]

Dorte,

I am not clear what is not for public use about the image?

Do you mean the xcf specifically (which is not meant as an interchange format)?

Or do you have restrictions on the images that appear on the web site?  In that case, we need to find a way to use different material and/or provide some kind of notice.

 - Dennis  

-----Original Message-----
From: Dorte Fjalland [mailto:dortecasacondor@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 06:03
To: dev@corinthia.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Apache Corinthia website is up and running

On 23 December 2014 at 12:14, jan i <ja...@apache.org> wrote:

[ ... ]
> > Is there a place where I can get the original own image? in high
> > resolution?
> >
>
You are welcome to give it a try. I will mail the xcf file to you. Please
note that it is the image used for the cover pic and is it not for public
use.

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