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Posted to dev@karaf.apache.org by Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org> on 2012/08/10 14:51:02 UTC
[Vote][WebConsole] Camel / CXF / ServiceMix modules
Dear all,
Last year Andreas, Charles and I started working on Karaf WebConsole. Since then lots of things was done - almost complete support for OSGi management, switching to Wicket 1.5. Some of things still need to be done - complete Karaf modules, clean up or improve Config Admin / Events / Log / Blueprint pages. Branch for Karaf 3.0 (easy stuff). After that we should be ready to release stable version. Even now we can release early alpha to let 2.x users test webconsole and get involved in community.
Outside core modules we have integrations with Camel / CXF and ServiceMix. These modules are not supported and was done by me as proof of concepts. For now there is no one who is interested in it. We should consider to announce existence of these modules or even Karaf WebConsole to other communities to get them involved in development. If we won't do that we may remove these modules as they will be not supported.
Please take a vote in following two topics:
Should WebConsole be early released:
+1: Yes we should release alpha immediately
0: We should clean up code shortly and release
-1: Wait untill getting stable codebase
Should Camel / CXF / ServiceMix modules be announced to other communities:
+1: Yes, we need to look for interested parties
-1: No, we don't need them now, remove it
I hope that vote will be also good occassion to discuss about WebConsole.
Kind regards,
Lukasz
Re: [Vote][WebConsole] Camel / CXF / ServiceMix modules
Posted by "Jamie G." <ja...@gmail.com>.
+1 for the alpha release
+1 for looking for interested parties.
On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 10:51 AM, Charles Moulliard <ch...@gmail.com> wrote:
> For Karaf 3.x
>
> +1 for the alpha release
>
> +1 for looking for interested parties.
>
> On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 3:12 PM, Achim Nierbeck <bc...@googlemail.com>wrote:
>
>> Hi Lukasz,
>>
>> I'm also with JB so as a optional feature for 3.x
>>
>> and a
>>
>> +1 for the alpha release
>>
>> +1 for looking for interested parties.
>>
>> even though the Karaf space may not be the best place for those
>> additions I really would like to see those beeing available at least
>> as "showcases"
>>
>> regards, Achim
>>
>> 2012/8/10 Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>:
>> > Hi Lukasz,
>> >
>> > we discussed about WebConsole during the 2nd Karaf Birthday call.
>> >
>> > I propose to include it asap on trunk to be able to include it in Karaf
>> > 3.0.0, or at least in 3.1.0.
>> >
>> > Regarding the vote:
>> >
>> > +1 to release an alpha immediately and include it on trunk (it could be
>> an
>> > "optional" feature, having both webconsole (old style) and new webconsole
>> > available)
>> >
>> > +0 for the other communities announcement. I'm agree but my concerning is
>> > more about timing. Before announcing and promoting WebConsole, I would
>> first
>> > release a version which allow us to perform tests on it and be sure we
>> are
>> > OK.
>> >
>> > Regards
>> > JB
>> >
>> >
>> > On 08/10/2012 02:51 PM, Łukasz Dywicki wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Dear all,
>> >> Last year Andreas, Charles and I started working on Karaf WebConsole.
>> >> Since then lots of things was done - almost complete support for OSGi
>> >> management, switching to Wicket 1.5. Some of things still need to be
>> done -
>> >> complete Karaf modules, clean up or improve Config Admin / Events / Log
>> /
>> >> Blueprint pages. Branch for Karaf 3.0 (easy stuff). After that we
>> should be
>> >> ready to release stable version. Even now we can release early alpha to
>> let
>> >> 2.x users test webconsole and get involved in community.
>> >>
>> >> Outside core modules we have integrations with Camel / CXF and
>> ServiceMix.
>> >> These modules are not supported and was done by me as proof of
>> concepts. For
>> >> now there is no one who is interested in it. We should consider to
>> announce
>> >> existence of these modules or even Karaf WebConsole to other
>> communities to
>> >> get them involved in development. If we won't do that we may remove
>> these
>> >> modules as they will be not supported.
>> >>
>> >> Please take a vote in following two topics:
>> >>
>> >> Should WebConsole be early released:
>> >> +1: Yes we should release alpha immediately
>> >> 0: We should clean up code shortly and release
>> >> -1: Wait untill getting stable codebase
>> >>
>> >> Should Camel / CXF / ServiceMix modules be announced to other
>> communities:
>> >> +1: Yes, we need to look for interested parties
>> >> -1: No, we don't need them now, remove it
>> >>
>> >> I hope that vote will be also good occassion to discuss about
>> WebConsole.
>> >>
>> >> Kind regards,
>> >> Lukasz
>> >>
>> >
>> > --
>> > Jean-Baptiste Onofré
>> > jbonofre@apache.org
>> > http://blog.nanthrax.net
>> > Talend - http://www.talend.com
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Apache Karaf <http://karaf.apache.org/> Committer & PMC
>> OPS4J Pax Web <http://wiki.ops4j.org/display/paxweb/Pax+Web/>
>> Committer & Project Lead
>> OPS4J Pax for Vaadin
>> <http://team.ops4j.org/wiki/display/PAXVAADIN/Home> Commiter & Project
>> Lead
>> blog <http://notizblog.nierbeck.de/>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Charles Moulliard
> Apache Committer / Sr. Pr. Consultant at FuseSource.com
> Twitter : @cmoulliard
> Blog : http://cmoulliard.blogspot.com
Re: [Vote][WebConsole] Camel / CXF / ServiceMix modules
Posted by Charles Moulliard <ch...@gmail.com>.
For Karaf 3.x
+1 for the alpha release
+1 for looking for interested parties.
On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 3:12 PM, Achim Nierbeck <bc...@googlemail.com>wrote:
> Hi Lukasz,
>
> I'm also with JB so as a optional feature for 3.x
>
> and a
>
> +1 for the alpha release
>
> +1 for looking for interested parties.
>
> even though the Karaf space may not be the best place for those
> additions I really would like to see those beeing available at least
> as "showcases"
>
> regards, Achim
>
> 2012/8/10 Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>:
> > Hi Lukasz,
> >
> > we discussed about WebConsole during the 2nd Karaf Birthday call.
> >
> > I propose to include it asap on trunk to be able to include it in Karaf
> > 3.0.0, or at least in 3.1.0.
> >
> > Regarding the vote:
> >
> > +1 to release an alpha immediately and include it on trunk (it could be
> an
> > "optional" feature, having both webconsole (old style) and new webconsole
> > available)
> >
> > +0 for the other communities announcement. I'm agree but my concerning is
> > more about timing. Before announcing and promoting WebConsole, I would
> first
> > release a version which allow us to perform tests on it and be sure we
> are
> > OK.
> >
> > Regards
> > JB
> >
> >
> > On 08/10/2012 02:51 PM, Łukasz Dywicki wrote:
> >>
> >> Dear all,
> >> Last year Andreas, Charles and I started working on Karaf WebConsole.
> >> Since then lots of things was done - almost complete support for OSGi
> >> management, switching to Wicket 1.5. Some of things still need to be
> done -
> >> complete Karaf modules, clean up or improve Config Admin / Events / Log
> /
> >> Blueprint pages. Branch for Karaf 3.0 (easy stuff). After that we
> should be
> >> ready to release stable version. Even now we can release early alpha to
> let
> >> 2.x users test webconsole and get involved in community.
> >>
> >> Outside core modules we have integrations with Camel / CXF and
> ServiceMix.
> >> These modules are not supported and was done by me as proof of
> concepts. For
> >> now there is no one who is interested in it. We should consider to
> announce
> >> existence of these modules or even Karaf WebConsole to other
> communities to
> >> get them involved in development. If we won't do that we may remove
> these
> >> modules as they will be not supported.
> >>
> >> Please take a vote in following two topics:
> >>
> >> Should WebConsole be early released:
> >> +1: Yes we should release alpha immediately
> >> 0: We should clean up code shortly and release
> >> -1: Wait untill getting stable codebase
> >>
> >> Should Camel / CXF / ServiceMix modules be announced to other
> communities:
> >> +1: Yes, we need to look for interested parties
> >> -1: No, we don't need them now, remove it
> >>
> >> I hope that vote will be also good occassion to discuss about
> WebConsole.
> >>
> >> Kind regards,
> >> Lukasz
> >>
> >
> > --
> > Jean-Baptiste Onofré
> > jbonofre@apache.org
> > http://blog.nanthrax.net
> > Talend - http://www.talend.com
>
>
>
> --
>
> Apache Karaf <http://karaf.apache.org/> Committer & PMC
> OPS4J Pax Web <http://wiki.ops4j.org/display/paxweb/Pax+Web/>
> Committer & Project Lead
> OPS4J Pax for Vaadin
> <http://team.ops4j.org/wiki/display/PAXVAADIN/Home> Commiter & Project
> Lead
> blog <http://notizblog.nierbeck.de/>
>
--
Charles Moulliard
Apache Committer / Sr. Pr. Consultant at FuseSource.com
Twitter : @cmoulliard
Blog : http://cmoulliard.blogspot.com
Re: [Vote][WebConsole] Camel / CXF / ServiceMix modules
Posted by Achim Nierbeck <bc...@googlemail.com>.
Hi Lukasz,
I'm also with JB so as a optional feature for 3.x
and a
+1 for the alpha release
+1 for looking for interested parties.
even though the Karaf space may not be the best place for those
additions I really would like to see those beeing available at least
as "showcases"
regards, Achim
2012/8/10 Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>:
> Hi Lukasz,
>
> we discussed about WebConsole during the 2nd Karaf Birthday call.
>
> I propose to include it asap on trunk to be able to include it in Karaf
> 3.0.0, or at least in 3.1.0.
>
> Regarding the vote:
>
> +1 to release an alpha immediately and include it on trunk (it could be an
> "optional" feature, having both webconsole (old style) and new webconsole
> available)
>
> +0 for the other communities announcement. I'm agree but my concerning is
> more about timing. Before announcing and promoting WebConsole, I would first
> release a version which allow us to perform tests on it and be sure we are
> OK.
>
> Regards
> JB
>
>
> On 08/10/2012 02:51 PM, Łukasz Dywicki wrote:
>>
>> Dear all,
>> Last year Andreas, Charles and I started working on Karaf WebConsole.
>> Since then lots of things was done - almost complete support for OSGi
>> management, switching to Wicket 1.5. Some of things still need to be done -
>> complete Karaf modules, clean up or improve Config Admin / Events / Log /
>> Blueprint pages. Branch for Karaf 3.0 (easy stuff). After that we should be
>> ready to release stable version. Even now we can release early alpha to let
>> 2.x users test webconsole and get involved in community.
>>
>> Outside core modules we have integrations with Camel / CXF and ServiceMix.
>> These modules are not supported and was done by me as proof of concepts. For
>> now there is no one who is interested in it. We should consider to announce
>> existence of these modules or even Karaf WebConsole to other communities to
>> get them involved in development. If we won't do that we may remove these
>> modules as they will be not supported.
>>
>> Please take a vote in following two topics:
>>
>> Should WebConsole be early released:
>> +1: Yes we should release alpha immediately
>> 0: We should clean up code shortly and release
>> -1: Wait untill getting stable codebase
>>
>> Should Camel / CXF / ServiceMix modules be announced to other communities:
>> +1: Yes, we need to look for interested parties
>> -1: No, we don't need them now, remove it
>>
>> I hope that vote will be also good occassion to discuss about WebConsole.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> Lukasz
>>
>
> --
> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
> jbonofre@apache.org
> http://blog.nanthrax.net
> Talend - http://www.talend.com
--
Apache Karaf <http://karaf.apache.org/> Committer & PMC
OPS4J Pax Web <http://wiki.ops4j.org/display/paxweb/Pax+Web/>
Committer & Project Lead
OPS4J Pax for Vaadin
<http://team.ops4j.org/wiki/display/PAXVAADIN/Home> Commiter & Project
Lead
blog <http://notizblog.nierbeck.de/>
Re: [Vote][WebConsole] Camel / CXF / ServiceMix modules
Posted by Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>.
Hi Lukasz,
we discussed about WebConsole during the 2nd Karaf Birthday call.
I propose to include it asap on trunk to be able to include it in Karaf
3.0.0, or at least in 3.1.0.
Regarding the vote:
+1 to release an alpha immediately and include it on trunk (it could be
an "optional" feature, having both webconsole (old style) and new
webconsole available)
+0 for the other communities announcement. I'm agree but my concerning
is more about timing. Before announcing and promoting WebConsole, I
would first release a version which allow us to perform tests on it and
be sure we are OK.
Regards
JB
On 08/10/2012 02:51 PM, Łukasz Dywicki wrote:
> Dear all,
> Last year Andreas, Charles and I started working on Karaf WebConsole. Since then lots of things was done - almost complete support for OSGi management, switching to Wicket 1.5. Some of things still need to be done - complete Karaf modules, clean up or improve Config Admin / Events / Log / Blueprint pages. Branch for Karaf 3.0 (easy stuff). After that we should be ready to release stable version. Even now we can release early alpha to let 2.x users test webconsole and get involved in community.
>
> Outside core modules we have integrations with Camel / CXF and ServiceMix. These modules are not supported and was done by me as proof of concepts. For now there is no one who is interested in it. We should consider to announce existence of these modules or even Karaf WebConsole to other communities to get them involved in development. If we won't do that we may remove these modules as they will be not supported.
>
> Please take a vote in following two topics:
>
> Should WebConsole be early released:
> +1: Yes we should release alpha immediately
> 0: We should clean up code shortly and release
> -1: Wait untill getting stable codebase
>
> Should Camel / CXF / ServiceMix modules be announced to other communities:
> +1: Yes, we need to look for interested parties
> -1: No, we don't need them now, remove it
>
> I hope that vote will be also good occassion to discuss about WebConsole.
>
> Kind regards,
> Lukasz
>
--
Jean-Baptiste Onofré
jbonofre@apache.org
http://blog.nanthrax.net
Talend - http://www.talend.com
[Result][Vote][WebConsole] Camel / CXF / ServiceMix modules
Posted by Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>.
Vote was open since Friday afternoon so I believe most of interested parties got chance to express. The results are following:
Should WebConsole be early released:
+1: Yes we should release alpha immediately
0: We should clean up code shortly and release
-1: Wait untill getting stable codebase
[+1] jbonofre, anierbeck, cmoulliard, jgoodyear, pieber
[0] cschneider
Should Camel / CXF / ServiceMix modules be announced to other communities:
+1: Yes, we need to look for interested parties
-1: No, we don't need them now, remove it
[+1] anierbeck, cmoulliard, jgoodyear, cschneider
[0] jbonofre, pieber
As initiator of vote I won't take vote. From your feedback I see that you would like to see release soon and you would like notify other communities about it soon or right after release (jbonofre, pieber).
Best regards,
Lukasz
Re: [Vote][WebConsole] Camel / CXF / ServiceMix modules
Posted by Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>.
You are right, the purpose is to replace the Felix WebConsole.
On 08/10/2012 05:05 PM, Christian Schneider wrote:
> In case it should be and stay separate the release is fine of course. I
> thought it should replace the old webconsole.
>
> Christian
>
> Am 10.08.2012 16:17, schrieb Jean-Baptiste Onofré:
>> I don't follow you about the release. WebConsole is like the other
>> sub-projects (Cellar, EIK), it has its own release cycle.
>>
>> I don't think it confuses the users as it will be embedded in Karaf
>> distribution, so more or less hidden. However, WebConsole could run
>> outside Karaf, so users may want to use it in pure Felix for instance.
>>
>> Regards
>> JB
>>
>> On 08/10/2012 03:35 PM, Christian Schneider wrote:
>>> Should WebConsole be early released:
>>> 0
>>>
>>> I propose to include it in the trunk now and release it with Karaf 3. So
>>> it could be included in the RC1 already. I would rather not do a
>>> separate Release as it may confuse users.
>>>
>>> Should Camel / CXF / ServiceMix modules be announced to other
>>> communities:
>>> 1
>>>
>>> I think we should at least write on the respective dev lists that the
>>> modules are there. So if they pick them up its great if not I would
>>> delete them.
>>>
>>>
>>> Christian
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 10.08.2012 14:51, schrieb Łukasz Dywicki:
>>>> Dear all,
>>>> Last year Andreas, Charles and I started working on Karaf WebConsole.
>>>> Since then lots of things was done - almost complete support for OSGi
>>>> management, switching to Wicket 1.5. Some of things still need to be
>>>> done - complete Karaf modules, clean up or improve Config Admin /
>>>> Events / Log / Blueprint pages. Branch for Karaf 3.0 (easy stuff).
>>>> After that we should be ready to release stable version. Even now we
>>>> can release early alpha to let 2.x users test webconsole and get
>>>> involved in community.
>>>>
>>>> Outside core modules we have integrations with Camel / CXF and
>>>> ServiceMix. These modules are not supported and was done by me as
>>>> proof of concepts. For now there is no one who is interested in it. We
>>>> should consider to announce existence of these modules or even Karaf
>>>> WebConsole to other communities to get them involved in development.
>>>> If we won't do that we may remove these modules as they will be not
>>>> supported.
>>>>
>>>> Please take a vote in following two topics:
>>>>
>>>> Should WebConsole be early released:
>>>> +1: Yes we should release alpha immediately
>>>> 0: We should clean up code shortly and release
>>>> -1: Wait untill getting stable codebase
>>>>
>>>> Should Camel / CXF / ServiceMix modules be announced to other
>>>> communities:
>>>> +1: Yes, we need to look for interested parties
>>>> -1: No, we don't need them now, remove it
>>>>
>>>> I hope that vote will be also good occassion to discuss about
>>>> WebConsole.
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards,
>>>> Lukasz
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
--
Jean-Baptiste Onofré
jbonofre@apache.org
http://blog.nanthrax.net
Talend - http://www.talend.com
Re: [Vote][WebConsole] Camel / CXF / ServiceMix modules
Posted by Christian Schneider <ch...@die-schneider.net>.
In case it should be and stay separate the release is fine of course. I
thought it should replace the old webconsole.
Christian
Am 10.08.2012 16:17, schrieb Jean-Baptiste Onofré:
> I don't follow you about the release. WebConsole is like the other
> sub-projects (Cellar, EIK), it has its own release cycle.
>
> I don't think it confuses the users as it will be embedded in Karaf
> distribution, so more or less hidden. However, WebConsole could run
> outside Karaf, so users may want to use it in pure Felix for instance.
>
> Regards
> JB
>
> On 08/10/2012 03:35 PM, Christian Schneider wrote:
>> Should WebConsole be early released:
>> 0
>>
>> I propose to include it in the trunk now and release it with Karaf 3. So
>> it could be included in the RC1 already. I would rather not do a
>> separate Release as it may confuse users.
>>
>> Should Camel / CXF / ServiceMix modules be announced to other
>> communities:
>> 1
>>
>> I think we should at least write on the respective dev lists that the
>> modules are there. So if they pick them up its great if not I would
>> delete them.
>>
>>
>> Christian
>>
>>
>> Am 10.08.2012 14:51, schrieb Łukasz Dywicki:
>>> Dear all,
>>> Last year Andreas, Charles and I started working on Karaf WebConsole.
>>> Since then lots of things was done - almost complete support for OSGi
>>> management, switching to Wicket 1.5. Some of things still need to be
>>> done - complete Karaf modules, clean up or improve Config Admin /
>>> Events / Log / Blueprint pages. Branch for Karaf 3.0 (easy stuff).
>>> After that we should be ready to release stable version. Even now we
>>> can release early alpha to let 2.x users test webconsole and get
>>> involved in community.
>>>
>>> Outside core modules we have integrations with Camel / CXF and
>>> ServiceMix. These modules are not supported and was done by me as
>>> proof of concepts. For now there is no one who is interested in it. We
>>> should consider to announce existence of these modules or even Karaf
>>> WebConsole to other communities to get them involved in development.
>>> If we won't do that we may remove these modules as they will be not
>>> supported.
>>>
>>> Please take a vote in following two topics:
>>>
>>> Should WebConsole be early released:
>>> +1: Yes we should release alpha immediately
>>> 0: We should clean up code shortly and release
>>> -1: Wait untill getting stable codebase
>>>
>>> Should Camel / CXF / ServiceMix modules be announced to other
>>> communities:
>>> +1: Yes, we need to look for interested parties
>>> -1: No, we don't need them now, remove it
>>>
>>> I hope that vote will be also good occassion to discuss about
>>> WebConsole.
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>> Lukasz
>>
>>
>
--
Christian Schneider
http://www.liquid-reality.de
Open Source Architect
Talend Application Integration Division http://www.talend.com
Re: [Vote][WebConsole] Camel / CXF / ServiceMix modules
Posted by Andreas Pieber <an...@gmail.com>.
I second JB on this one;
+1 for the alpha release and the inclusion
and 0 for the community till the alpha release had been done
Kind regards,
Andreas
p.s.: thx for the great work you did on the wicket webconsole!
On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 4:17 PM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net> wrote:
> I don't follow you about the release. WebConsole is like the other
> sub-projects (Cellar, EIK), it has its own release cycle.
>
> I don't think it confuses the users as it will be embedded in Karaf
> distribution, so more or less hidden. However, WebConsole could run outside
> Karaf, so users may want to use it in pure Felix for instance.
>
> Regards
> JB
>
>
> On 08/10/2012 03:35 PM, Christian Schneider wrote:
>>
>> Should WebConsole be early released:
>> 0
>>
>> I propose to include it in the trunk now and release it with Karaf 3. So
>> it could be included in the RC1 already. I would rather not do a
>> separate Release as it may confuse users.
>>
>> Should Camel / CXF / ServiceMix modules be announced to other communities:
>> 1
>>
>> I think we should at least write on the respective dev lists that the
>> modules are there. So if they pick them up its great if not I would
>> delete them.
>>
>>
>> Christian
>>
>>
>> Am 10.08.2012 14:51, schrieb Łukasz Dywicki:
>>>
>>> Dear all,
>>> Last year Andreas, Charles and I started working on Karaf WebConsole.
>>> Since then lots of things was done - almost complete support for OSGi
>>> management, switching to Wicket 1.5. Some of things still need to be
>>> done - complete Karaf modules, clean up or improve Config Admin /
>>> Events / Log / Blueprint pages. Branch for Karaf 3.0 (easy stuff).
>>> After that we should be ready to release stable version. Even now we
>>> can release early alpha to let 2.x users test webconsole and get
>>> involved in community.
>>>
>>> Outside core modules we have integrations with Camel / CXF and
>>> ServiceMix. These modules are not supported and was done by me as
>>> proof of concepts. For now there is no one who is interested in it. We
>>> should consider to announce existence of these modules or even Karaf
>>> WebConsole to other communities to get them involved in development.
>>> If we won't do that we may remove these modules as they will be not
>>> supported.
>>>
>>> Please take a vote in following two topics:
>>>
>>> Should WebConsole be early released:
>>> +1: Yes we should release alpha immediately
>>> 0: We should clean up code shortly and release
>>> -1: Wait untill getting stable codebase
>>>
>>> Should Camel / CXF / ServiceMix modules be announced to other
>>> communities:
>>> +1: Yes, we need to look for interested parties
>>> -1: No, we don't need them now, remove it
>>>
>>> I hope that vote will be also good occassion to discuss about WebConsole.
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>> Lukasz
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
> jbonofre@apache.org
> http://blog.nanthrax.net
> Talend - http://www.talend.com
Re: [Vote][WebConsole] Camel / CXF / ServiceMix modules
Posted by Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>.
Hey Ioannis,
We can optionally load Felix plugins. The only problem is - they're servlets and handle servlet requests. That's completely doesn't fit a wicket request handling model. However, we can always use some HTML frame. It looks ugly but Glassfish was doing that. :) The more important thing, I believe, is a good developer guide showing people how to write particular extensions. Once that will be done users will be able to migrate their plugins without fear.
Best regards,
Lukasz
Wiadomość napisana przez Ioannis Canellos w dniu 10 sie 2012, o godz. 16:33:
> I think that a release as a subproject is really needed. I am already aware
> of people using it and building on top of it and they would like to have a
> release.
>
> I am not sure though, if the subproject should move into trunk. Here are
> some thoughts about it.
>
> I feel that trunk needs to have one and only one webconsole. Either the
> felix webconsole or the karaf-webconsole, but I don't fancy having them
> both, for the obvious reasons.
>
> From the aesthetic point of view, I am +1000 for karaf-webconsole.
> For ease of development, I am +1000 for karaf-webconsole (this is just a
> personal view and not something based on objective criteria).
> I couldn't oversee however the fact that the felix webconsole is widely
> used, people have built stuff on top of it, etc.
> Would it be possible to reuse/wrap/bridge felix webconsole stuff in
> karaf-webconsole?
>
>
> --
> *Ioannis Canellos*
> *
> FuseSource <http://fusesource.com>
>
> **
> Blog: http://iocanel.blogspot.com
> **
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Re: [Vote][WebConsole] Camel / CXF / ServiceMix modules
Posted by Ioannis Canellos <io...@gmail.com>.
I think that a release as a subproject is really needed. I am already aware
of people using it and building on top of it and they would like to have a
release.
I am not sure though, if the subproject should move into trunk. Here are
some thoughts about it.
I feel that trunk needs to have one and only one webconsole. Either the
felix webconsole or the karaf-webconsole, but I don't fancy having them
both, for the obvious reasons.
>From the aesthetic point of view, I am +1000 for karaf-webconsole.
For ease of development, I am +1000 for karaf-webconsole (this is just a
personal view and not something based on objective criteria).
I couldn't oversee however the fact that the felix webconsole is widely
used, people have built stuff on top of it, etc.
Would it be possible to reuse/wrap/bridge felix webconsole stuff in
karaf-webconsole?
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Re: [Vote][WebConsole] Camel / CXF / ServiceMix modules
Posted by Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>.
I don't follow you about the release. WebConsole is like the other
sub-projects (Cellar, EIK), it has its own release cycle.
I don't think it confuses the users as it will be embedded in Karaf
distribution, so more or less hidden. However, WebConsole could run
outside Karaf, so users may want to use it in pure Felix for instance.
Regards
JB
On 08/10/2012 03:35 PM, Christian Schneider wrote:
> Should WebConsole be early released:
> 0
>
> I propose to include it in the trunk now and release it with Karaf 3. So
> it could be included in the RC1 already. I would rather not do a
> separate Release as it may confuse users.
>
> Should Camel / CXF / ServiceMix modules be announced to other communities:
> 1
>
> I think we should at least write on the respective dev lists that the
> modules are there. So if they pick them up its great if not I would
> delete them.
>
>
> Christian
>
>
> Am 10.08.2012 14:51, schrieb Łukasz Dywicki:
>> Dear all,
>> Last year Andreas, Charles and I started working on Karaf WebConsole.
>> Since then lots of things was done - almost complete support for OSGi
>> management, switching to Wicket 1.5. Some of things still need to be
>> done - complete Karaf modules, clean up or improve Config Admin /
>> Events / Log / Blueprint pages. Branch for Karaf 3.0 (easy stuff).
>> After that we should be ready to release stable version. Even now we
>> can release early alpha to let 2.x users test webconsole and get
>> involved in community.
>>
>> Outside core modules we have integrations with Camel / CXF and
>> ServiceMix. These modules are not supported and was done by me as
>> proof of concepts. For now there is no one who is interested in it. We
>> should consider to announce existence of these modules or even Karaf
>> WebConsole to other communities to get them involved in development.
>> If we won't do that we may remove these modules as they will be not
>> supported.
>>
>> Please take a vote in following two topics:
>>
>> Should WebConsole be early released:
>> +1: Yes we should release alpha immediately
>> 0: We should clean up code shortly and release
>> -1: Wait untill getting stable codebase
>>
>> Should Camel / CXF / ServiceMix modules be announced to other
>> communities:
>> +1: Yes, we need to look for interested parties
>> -1: No, we don't need them now, remove it
>>
>> I hope that vote will be also good occassion to discuss about WebConsole.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> Lukasz
>
>
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Re: [Vote][WebConsole] Camel / CXF / ServiceMix modules
Posted by Christian Schneider <ch...@die-schneider.net>.
Should WebConsole be early released:
0
I propose to include it in the trunk now and release it with Karaf 3. So it could be included in the RC1 already. I would rather not do a separate Release as it may confuse users.
Should Camel / CXF / ServiceMix modules be announced to other communities:
1
I think we should at least write on the respective dev lists that the modules are there. So if they pick them up its great if not I would delete them.
Christian
Am 10.08.2012 14:51, schrieb Łukasz Dywicki:
> Dear all,
> Last year Andreas, Charles and I started working on Karaf WebConsole. Since then lots of things was done - almost complete support for OSGi management, switching to Wicket 1.5. Some of things still need to be done - complete Karaf modules, clean up or improve Config Admin / Events / Log / Blueprint pages. Branch for Karaf 3.0 (easy stuff). After that we should be ready to release stable version. Even now we can release early alpha to let 2.x users test webconsole and get involved in community.
>
> Outside core modules we have integrations with Camel / CXF and ServiceMix. These modules are not supported and was done by me as proof of concepts. For now there is no one who is interested in it. We should consider to announce existence of these modules or even Karaf WebConsole to other communities to get them involved in development. If we won't do that we may remove these modules as they will be not supported.
>
> Please take a vote in following two topics:
>
> Should WebConsole be early released:
> +1: Yes we should release alpha immediately
> 0: We should clean up code shortly and release
> -1: Wait untill getting stable codebase
>
> Should Camel / CXF / ServiceMix modules be announced to other communities:
> +1: Yes, we need to look for interested parties
> -1: No, we don't need them now, remove it
>
> I hope that vote will be also good occassion to discuss about WebConsole.
>
> Kind regards,
> Lukasz
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