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Posted to dev@isis.apache.org by Dan Haywood <dk...@gmail.com> on 2010/11/08 23:52:13 UTC
Regular Skype conf. calls?
There's been a few off-list conversations (between Nour, Siegfried and
myself, at least) about having regular virtual get togethers on Skype.
Now that Skype [1] has group video conferencing, I think this would be a
good way to help the community develop.
Questions:
1. do we think it'd be good idea? and if so...
2. how often ought we to do this?
3. what time of the day ought we to have the call?
Obviously we couldn't realistically expect everyone to attend every
call, but we could perhaps have a system whereby someone volunteers to
be the host, ie they will definitely be on the call, and anyone else is
optional (perhaps a wiki sign-on sheet to indicate attendance).
Thoughts? Have any of the mentors done this on other projects, and to
what success/lack of?
Dan
[1] http://www.skype.com/intl/en-gb/features/allfeatures/group-video-calls/
Re: Regular Skype conf. calls?
Posted by Alexander Krasnukhin <th...@gmail.com>.
My 5 cent. Video conference isn't available for Linux too.
On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 12:06 AM, Mike Burton <mi...@mycosystems.co.uk>wrote:
> Good idea but seems it's not yet available for Mac which would be a
> limitation for some of us. Well worth keeping an eye on though. Meanwhile
> perhaps a regular /voice/ conf call?
>
> Mike Burton
>
>
> On 8 Nov 2010, at 22:52, Dan Haywood <dk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > There's been a few off-list conversations (between Nour, Siegfried and
> myself, at least) about having regular virtual get togethers on Skype. Now
> that Skype [1] has group video conferencing, I think this would be a good
> way to help the community develop.
> >
> > Questions:
> > 1. do we think it'd be good idea? and if so...
> > 2. how often ought we to do this?
> > 3. what time of the day ought we to have the call?
> >
> > Obviously we couldn't realistically expect everyone to attend every call,
> but we could perhaps have a system whereby someone volunteers to be the
> host, ie they will definitely be on the call, and anyone else is optional
> (perhaps a wiki sign-on sheet to indicate attendance).
> >
> > Thoughts? Have any of the mentors done this on other projects, and to
> what success/lack of?
> >
> > Dan
> >
> > [1]
> http://www.skype.com/intl/en-gb/features/allfeatures/group-video-calls/
> >
> >
>
--
Regards,
Alexander
Re: Regular Skype conf. calls?
Posted by Mike Burton <mi...@mycosystems.co.uk>.
Good idea but seems it's not yet available for Mac which would be a limitation for some of us. Well worth keeping an eye on though. Meanwhile perhaps a regular /voice/ conf call?
Mike Burton
On 8 Nov 2010, at 22:52, Dan Haywood <dk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> There's been a few off-list conversations (between Nour, Siegfried and myself, at least) about having regular virtual get togethers on Skype. Now that Skype [1] has group video conferencing, I think this would be a good way to help the community develop.
>
> Questions:
> 1. do we think it'd be good idea? and if so...
> 2. how often ought we to do this?
> 3. what time of the day ought we to have the call?
>
> Obviously we couldn't realistically expect everyone to attend every call, but we could perhaps have a system whereby someone volunteers to be the host, ie they will definitely be on the call, and anyone else is optional (perhaps a wiki sign-on sheet to indicate attendance).
>
> Thoughts? Have any of the mentors done this on other projects, and to what success/lack of?
>
> Dan
>
> [1] http://www.skype.com/intl/en-gb/features/allfeatures/group-video-calls/
>
>
Re: Regular Skype conf. calls?
Posted by Mohammad Nour El-Din <no...@gmail.com>.
Hi all...
I am running Linux too so I suggest to start doing voice calls only
at least for the time being. For scheduling we can use either Doodle
or Google Calendars. For the day(s) of the calls, I suggest to have it
every Saturday cause it is the common weekend day for all of us. For
now lets postpone this point till we are OK with our next scheduled
report, after that I think it is better to make a vote so we know what
is best for the majority of us.
On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 6:55 AM, Kevin Meyer <ke...@kmz.co.za> wrote:
> My 2c:
> I definitely don't have the bandwidth for video, but would be
> interested in attending by voice.
> Again, depends on date and time zone. At the moment I dedicate
> Mondays to full-time non-contract work (i.e. Mondays are good for me)
> and for personal reasons would prefer something between 08h00 to 16h00,
> GMT+2. If it's not a Monday, then after 18h00 GMT+2 would be preferred.
> Obviously, exceptions can be made... ;)
>
> What freeware apps support shared desktop/applications for such a
> group call? If anyone wants to demo something, for example.
> I may not have the bandwidth (between 20 and 40kB/s on a good day,
> 100ms to 200ms latency).
>
> For documentation purposes, can anyone record the audio?
> I guess, also, someone would have to take minutes! This requires
> an agenda? Urk...
>
>
> On Tue, November 9, 2010 00:52, Dan Haywood wrote:
>> There's been a few off-list conversations (between Nour, Siegfried and
>> myself, at least) about having regular virtual get togethers on Skype.
>> Now that Skype [1] has group video conferencing, I think this would be a
>> good way to help the community develop.
>>
>> Questions:
>> 1. do we think it'd be good idea? and if so...
>> 2. how often ought we to do this?
>> 3. what time of the day ought we to have the call?
>>
>
>
>
--
Thanks
- Mohammad Nour
Author of (WebSphere Application Server Community Edition 2.0 User Guide)
http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/abstracts/sg247585.html
- LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/mnour
- Blog: http://tadabborat.blogspot.com
----
"Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep moving"
- Albert Einstein
"Writing clean code is what you must do in order to call yourself a
professional. There is no reasonable excuse for doing anything less
than your best."
- Clean Code: A Handbook of Agile Software Craftsmanship
"Stay hungry, stay foolish."
- Steve Jobs
Re: Regular Skype conf. calls?
Posted by Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>.
yes sure!
I'd also like to see/hear you guys so we can have a neat chat :)
But we need to make sure that decisions and all the rational behind those do find their way to the mailing list.
Isn't there any other open video chat platform available?
I could also host a server somewhere ...
LieGrue,
strub
--- On Tue, 11/9/10, Mohammad Nour El-Din <no...@gmail.com> wrote:
> From: Mohammad Nour El-Din <no...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Regular Skype conf. calls?
> To: isis-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Date: Tuesday, November 9, 2010, 11:07 AM
> Hey Mark...
>
> OK, as long as we can have a regular
> meeting using any way of live
> communication I will go with that :).
>
> On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 10:29 AM, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>
> wrote:
> > Hmm I'd rather see an IRC meeting. Voice meetings tend
> to get hard to understand if the connection is poor. IRC
> meetings also can be logged and posted to the list
> afterwards.
> >
> > It's the apache way that most things / decision making
> happens on the mailing list so all steps are visible to the
> outside also.
> > The recent story of Oracle vs Google backs this
> approach.
> >
> > LieGrue,
> > strub
> >
> >
> > --- On Tue, 11/9/10, Kevin Meyer <ke...@kmz.co.za>
> wrote:
> >
> >> From: Kevin Meyer <ke...@kmz.co.za>
> >> Subject: Re: Regular Skype conf. calls?
> >> To: isis-dev@incubator.apache.org
> >> Date: Tuesday, November 9, 2010, 6:55 AM
> >> My 2c:
> >> I definitely don't have the bandwidth for video,
> but would
> >> be
> >> interested in attending by voice.
> >> Again, depends on date and time zone. At the
> moment I
> >> dedicate
> >> Mondays to full-time non-contract work (i.e.
> Mondays are
> >> good for me)
> >> and for personal reasons would prefer something
> between
> >> 08h00 to 16h00,
> >> GMT+2. If it's not a Monday, then after 18h00
> GMT+2 would
> >> be preferred.
> >> Obviously, exceptions can be made... ;)
> >>
> >> What freeware apps support shared
> desktop/applications for
> >> such a
> >> group call? If anyone wants to demo something,
> for
> >> example.
> >> I may not have the bandwidth (between 20 and
> 40kB/s on a
> >> good day,
> >> 100ms to 200ms latency).
> >>
> >> For documentation purposes, can anyone record the
> audio?
> >> I guess, also, someone would have to take minutes!
> This
> >> requires
> >> an agenda? Urk...
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, November 9, 2010 00:52, Dan Haywood
> wrote:
> >> > There's been a few off-list conversations
> (between
> >> Nour, Siegfried and
> >> > myself, at least) about having regular
> virtual get
> >> togethers on Skype.
> >> > Now that Skype [1] has group video
> conferencing, I
> >> think this would be a
> >> > good way to help the community develop.
> >> >
> >> > Questions:
> >> > 1. do we think it'd be good idea? and if
> so...
> >> > 2. how often ought we to do this?
> >> > 3. what time of the day ought we to have the
> call?
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Thanks
> - Mohammad Nour
> Author of (WebSphere Application Server Community
> Edition 2.0 User Guide)
> http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/abstracts/sg247585.html
> - LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/mnour
> - Blog: http://tadabborat.blogspot.com
> ----
> "Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you
> must keep moving"
> - Albert Einstein
>
> "Writing clean code is what you must do in order to call
> yourself a
> professional. There is no reasonable excuse for doing
> anything less
> than your best."
> - Clean Code: A Handbook of Agile Software Craftsmanship
>
> "Stay hungry, stay foolish."
> - Steve Jobs
>
Re: Regular Skype conf. calls?
Posted by Mohammad Nour El-Din <no...@gmail.com>.
Hey Mark...
OK, as long as we can have a regular meeting using any way of live
communication I will go with that :).
On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 10:29 AM, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de> wrote:
> Hmm I'd rather see an IRC meeting. Voice meetings tend to get hard to understand if the connection is poor. IRC meetings also can be logged and posted to the list afterwards.
>
> It's the apache way that most things / decision making happens on the mailing list so all steps are visible to the outside also.
> The recent story of Oracle vs Google backs this approach.
>
> LieGrue,
> strub
>
>
> --- On Tue, 11/9/10, Kevin Meyer <ke...@kmz.co.za> wrote:
>
>> From: Kevin Meyer <ke...@kmz.co.za>
>> Subject: Re: Regular Skype conf. calls?
>> To: isis-dev@incubator.apache.org
>> Date: Tuesday, November 9, 2010, 6:55 AM
>> My 2c:
>> I definitely don't have the bandwidth for video, but would
>> be
>> interested in attending by voice.
>> Again, depends on date and time zone. At the moment I
>> dedicate
>> Mondays to full-time non-contract work (i.e. Mondays are
>> good for me)
>> and for personal reasons would prefer something between
>> 08h00 to 16h00,
>> GMT+2. If it's not a Monday, then after 18h00 GMT+2 would
>> be preferred.
>> Obviously, exceptions can be made... ;)
>>
>> What freeware apps support shared desktop/applications for
>> such a
>> group call? If anyone wants to demo something, for
>> example.
>> I may not have the bandwidth (between 20 and 40kB/s on a
>> good day,
>> 100ms to 200ms latency).
>>
>> For documentation purposes, can anyone record the audio?
>> I guess, also, someone would have to take minutes! This
>> requires
>> an agenda? Urk...
>>
>>
>> On Tue, November 9, 2010 00:52, Dan Haywood wrote:
>> > There's been a few off-list conversations (between
>> Nour, Siegfried and
>> > myself, at least) about having regular virtual get
>> togethers on Skype.
>> > Now that Skype [1] has group video conferencing, I
>> think this would be a
>> > good way to help the community develop.
>> >
>> > Questions:
>> > 1. do we think it'd be good idea? and if so...
>> > 2. how often ought we to do this?
>> > 3. what time of the day ought we to have the call?
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
--
Thanks
- Mohammad Nour
Author of (WebSphere Application Server Community Edition 2.0 User Guide)
http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/abstracts/sg247585.html
- LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/mnour
- Blog: http://tadabborat.blogspot.com
----
"Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep moving"
- Albert Einstein
"Writing clean code is what you must do in order to call yourself a
professional. There is no reasonable excuse for doing anything less
than your best."
- Clean Code: A Handbook of Agile Software Craftsmanship
"Stay hungry, stay foolish."
- Steve Jobs
Re: Regular Skype conf. calls?
Posted by Vangjel Stavro <va...@gmail.com>.
I like the idea and would like to give it a try.
Vango
Re: Regular Skype conf. calls?
Posted by Robert Matthews <rm...@nakedobjects.org>.
I like the idea of talking at same time. There is something that you
get from oral conversations that you don't get from typing. I find
myself reaching for the phone when I want to get to the heart of a
complicate matter quickly, and writing takes too long because your
subject relies not just on what you know but what others know as well.
Let's use both, but use them each where appropriate.
Either way seeing things can be important. I've just been using VNC to
create and share a virtual workspace (rather than my whole desktop)
where everybody can grab the mouse and point at things. VNC is
available on all platforms, although the server needs to support
geometry settings to allow a virtual screen to be set up.
Rob
PS I have a Jabber account, and on that I can also set up voice and
video calls, although I'm not sure that it works with more than two.
On 09/11/10 06:55, Kevin Meyer wrote:
> My 2c:
> I definitely don't have the bandwidth for video, but would be
> interested in attending by voice.
> Again, depends on date and time zone. At the moment I dedicate
> Mondays to full-time non-contract work (i.e. Mondays are good for me)
> and for personal reasons would prefer something between 08h00 to 16h00,
> GMT+2. If it's not a Monday, then after 18h00 GMT+2 would be preferred.
> Obviously, exceptions can be made... ;)
>
> What freeware apps support shared desktop/applications for such a
> group call? If anyone wants to demo something, for example.
> I may not have the bandwidth (between 20 and 40kB/s on a good day,
> 100ms to 200ms latency).
>
> For documentation purposes, can anyone record the audio?
> I guess, also, someone would have to take minutes! This requires
> an agenda? Urk...
>
>
> On Tue, November 9, 2010 00:52, Dan Haywood wrote:
>
>> There's been a few off-list conversations (between Nour, Siegfried and
>> myself, at least) about having regular virtual get togethers on Skype.
>> Now that Skype [1] has group video conferencing, I think this would be a
>> good way to help the community develop.
>>
>> Questions:
>> 1. do we think it'd be good idea? and if so...
>> 2. how often ought we to do this?
>> 3. what time of the day ought we to have the call?
>>
>>
>
>
Re: Regular Skype conf. calls?
Posted by Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>.
Hmm I'd rather see an IRC meeting. Voice meetings tend to get hard to understand if the connection is poor. IRC meetings also can be logged and posted to the list afterwards.
It's the apache way that most things / decision making happens on the mailing list so all steps are visible to the outside also.
The recent story of Oracle vs Google backs this approach.
LieGrue,
strub
--- On Tue, 11/9/10, Kevin Meyer <ke...@kmz.co.za> wrote:
> From: Kevin Meyer <ke...@kmz.co.za>
> Subject: Re: Regular Skype conf. calls?
> To: isis-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Date: Tuesday, November 9, 2010, 6:55 AM
> My 2c:
> I definitely don't have the bandwidth for video, but would
> be
> interested in attending by voice.
> Again, depends on date and time zone. At the moment I
> dedicate
> Mondays to full-time non-contract work (i.e. Mondays are
> good for me)
> and for personal reasons would prefer something between
> 08h00 to 16h00,
> GMT+2. If it's not a Monday, then after 18h00 GMT+2 would
> be preferred.
> Obviously, exceptions can be made... ;)
>
> What freeware apps support shared desktop/applications for
> such a
> group call? If anyone wants to demo something, for
> example.
> I may not have the bandwidth (between 20 and 40kB/s on a
> good day,
> 100ms to 200ms latency).
>
> For documentation purposes, can anyone record the audio?
> I guess, also, someone would have to take minutes! This
> requires
> an agenda? Urk...
>
>
> On Tue, November 9, 2010 00:52, Dan Haywood wrote:
> > There's been a few off-list conversations (between
> Nour, Siegfried and
> > myself, at least) about having regular virtual get
> togethers on Skype.
> > Now that Skype [1] has group video conferencing, I
> think this would be a
> > good way to help the community develop.
> >
> > Questions:
> > 1. do we think it'd be good idea? and if so...
> > 2. how often ought we to do this?
> > 3. what time of the day ought we to have the call?
> >
>
>
>
Re: Regular Skype conf. calls?
Posted by Kevin Meyer <ke...@kmz.co.za>.
My 2c:
I definitely don't have the bandwidth for video, but would be
interested in attending by voice.
Again, depends on date and time zone. At the moment I dedicate
Mondays to full-time non-contract work (i.e. Mondays are good for me)
and for personal reasons would prefer something between 08h00 to 16h00,
GMT+2. If it's not a Monday, then after 18h00 GMT+2 would be preferred.
Obviously, exceptions can be made... ;)
What freeware apps support shared desktop/applications for such a
group call? If anyone wants to demo something, for example.
I may not have the bandwidth (between 20 and 40kB/s on a good day,
100ms to 200ms latency).
For documentation purposes, can anyone record the audio?
I guess, also, someone would have to take minutes! This requires
an agenda? Urk...
On Tue, November 9, 2010 00:52, Dan Haywood wrote:
> There's been a few off-list conversations (between Nour, Siegfried and
> myself, at least) about having regular virtual get togethers on Skype.
> Now that Skype [1] has group video conferencing, I think this would be a
> good way to help the community develop.
>
> Questions:
> 1. do we think it'd be good idea? and if so...
> 2. how often ought we to do this?
> 3. what time of the day ought we to have the call?
>
Re: Regular Skype conf. calls?
Posted by Siegfried Goeschl <si...@it20one.at>.
+1
To keep noise low we could use Doodle (http://www.doodle.com/) for date/time
Siegfried Goeschl
On 11/8/10 11:52 PM, Dan Haywood wrote:
> There's been a few off-list conversations (between Nour, Siegfried and
> myself, at least) about having regular virtual get togethers on
> Skype. Now that Skype [1] has group video conferencing, I think this
> would be a good way to help the community develop.
>
> Questions:
> 1. do we think it'd be good idea? and if so...
> 2. how often ought we to do this?
> 3. what time of the day ought we to have the call?
>
> Obviously we couldn't realistically expect everyone to attend every
> call, but we could perhaps have a system whereby someone volunteers to
> be the host, ie they will definitely be on the call, and anyone else
> is optional (perhaps a wiki sign-on sheet to indicate attendance).
>
> Thoughts? Have any of the mentors done this on other projects, and to
> what success/lack of?
>
> Dan
>
> [1]
> http://www.skype.com/intl/en-gb/features/allfeatures/group-video-calls/
>
>
Re: Regular Skype conf. calls?
Posted by Dan Haywood <dk...@gmail.com>.
I've just realized that Skype video group calling isn't a freebie, the
website just talks of trial period of 28 days. I reckon it's worth
trying though, and assess afterwards. I guess we can decide as a
community if it's worth the investment once we've tried it out a couple
of times.
@Mark... re: traceability; we could make it the responsibility of the
"host" to also post a summary of the conversation to isis-dev
@Mike ... seems like Mac support is coming in the next beta
@Alexander ... erm, no news on Linux support. I guess it'll be voice
only for that platform.
Dan
On 08/11/2010 23:07, Mark Struberg wrote:
> sounds fun. I have no skype though so just need to dig it.
>
> One important aspect: The Apache Software Foundation is very interested in traceability. There should be no decisions solely be made upon skype discussions having no detailed explanation of the why and how on a mailing list archive. But I agree that IRC and skype are really nice for getting fresh ideas down to earth together very quickly. That is the reason why lots of projects use a chat bot which logs the conversations (in OWB we use the CIA bot). We must also always justify/explain/present our final solution (+ other options and the reasons why they don't got picked) in a summary mail at least!
>
> LieGrue,
> strub
>
> --- On Mon, 11/8/10, Dan Haywood<dk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> From: Dan Haywood<dk...@gmail.com>
>> Subject: Regular Skype conf. calls?
>> To: isis-dev@incubator.apache.org
>> Date: Monday, November 8, 2010, 10:52 PM
>> There's been a few off-list
>> conversations (between Nour, Siegfried and myself, at least)
>> about having regular virtual get togethers on Skype.
>> Now that Skype [1] has group video conferencing, I think
>> this would be a good way to help the community develop.
>>
>> Questions:
>> 1. do we think it'd be good idea? and if so...
>> 2. how often ought we to do this?
>> 3. what time of the day ought we to have the call?
>>
>> Obviously we couldn't realistically expect everyone to
>> attend every call, but we could perhaps have a system
>> whereby someone volunteers to be the host, ie they will
>> definitely be on the call, and anyone else is optional
>> (perhaps a wiki sign-on sheet to indicate attendance).
>>
>> Thoughts? Have any of the mentors done this on other
>> projects, and to what success/lack of?
>>
>> Dan
>>
>> [1] http://www.skype.com/intl/en-gb/features/allfeatures/group-video-calls/
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
Re: Regular Skype conf. calls?
Posted by Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>.
sounds fun. I have no skype though so just need to dig it.
One important aspect: The Apache Software Foundation is very interested in traceability. There should be no decisions solely be made upon skype discussions having no detailed explanation of the why and how on a mailing list archive. But I agree that IRC and skype are really nice for getting fresh ideas down to earth together very quickly. That is the reason why lots of projects use a chat bot which logs the conversations (in OWB we use the CIA bot). We must also always justify/explain/present our final solution (+ other options and the reasons why they don't got picked) in a summary mail at least!
LieGrue,
strub
--- On Mon, 11/8/10, Dan Haywood <dk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> From: Dan Haywood <dk...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Regular Skype conf. calls?
> To: isis-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Date: Monday, November 8, 2010, 10:52 PM
> There's been a few off-list
> conversations (between Nour, Siegfried and myself, at least)
> about having regular virtual get togethers on Skype.
> Now that Skype [1] has group video conferencing, I think
> this would be a good way to help the community develop.
>
> Questions:
> 1. do we think it'd be good idea? and if so...
> 2. how often ought we to do this?
> 3. what time of the day ought we to have the call?
>
> Obviously we couldn't realistically expect everyone to
> attend every call, but we could perhaps have a system
> whereby someone volunteers to be the host, ie they will
> definitely be on the call, and anyone else is optional
> (perhaps a wiki sign-on sheet to indicate attendance).
>
> Thoughts? Have any of the mentors done this on other
> projects, and to what success/lack of?
>
> Dan
>
> [1] http://www.skype.com/intl/en-gb/features/allfeatures/group-video-calls/
>
>
>