Re: getting tapestry out there

[Bob Harner <bo...@gmail.com>]

John,

> One of the markets I am intersted in serving has settled on JSF as the technology of choice. So
> there are loads of devs out there they can pick from. What hope is there of breaking this
> stranglehold of an etablished standard technology with tapestry?

I wish I had a good answer for that one. I think we probably need to
do some more sustained, focused advocacy of some kind, for one thing.

I have the feeling that a lot of the JSF adoption is due to the
poorly-informed recommendations of semi-technical managers -- the kind
who do more reading than coding. It's tough to sell them (and their
risk-averse employers) on the idea of using a technology that you
don't often find on candidates' resumes.

But, in my experience, developers who already know JSF can learn
Tapestry very quickly, and then they end up being much more productive
than they ever were with JSF. So maybe that's the selling point:
Tapestry as a better, stronger, faster framework for JSF developers.

Maybe we need to look at how we can make Tapestry even easier for JSF
developers to learn.

> I think it would help if there was a consultancy rather than me be an individual dev.

Can you explain this idea a little more? I'm not sure what you mean by
a consultancy here.

On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 7:38 AM, Thiago H de Paula Figueiredo
<th...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Jan 2013 10:25:19 -0200, John <jo...@quivinco.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>
>
> Hi!
>
>
>> I'm sure having a book is also a great way to get this great technology
>> taken more seriously.
>
>
> We already have a very good one, written by one of the committers, Igor
> Drobiazko:
> http://blog.tapestry5.de/index.php/2013/01/25/tapestry-5-book-is-here/.
>
> --
> Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo
>
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Re: getting tapestry out there

[Bob Harner <bo...@gmail.com>]

By the way, there is now an article in Tapestry's documentation that
attempts to make it easier for JSF-experienced developers to learn
Tapestry:

    http://tapestry.apache.org/tapestry-for-jsf-users.html

Tapestry really is easy for people with JSF experience to learn. In my
experience most such people can be doing useful work in Tapestry in
just a day or so, and quite proficient in a few days. So in my opinion
the lack of developers who have Tapestry on their resume *shouldn't*
be a concern, in an ideal world.

On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 7:35 AM, Bob Harner <bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> John,
>
>> One of the markets I am intersted in serving has settled on JSF as the technology of choice. So
>> there are loads of devs out there they can pick from. What hope is there of breaking this
>> stranglehold of an etablished standard technology with tapestry?
>
> I wish I had a good answer for that one. I think we probably need to
> do some more sustained, focused advocacy of some kind, for one thing.
>
> I have the feeling that a lot of the JSF adoption is due to the
> poorly-informed recommendations of semi-technical managers -- the kind
> who do more reading than coding. It's tough to sell them (and their
> risk-averse employers) on the idea of using a technology that you
> don't often find on candidates' resumes.
>
> But, in my experience, developers who already know JSF can learn
> Tapestry very quickly, and then they end up being much more productive
> than they ever were with JSF. So maybe that's the selling point:
> Tapestry as a better, stronger, faster framework for JSF developers.
>
> Maybe we need to look at how we can make Tapestry even easier for JSF
> developers to learn.
>
>> I think it would help if there was a consultancy rather than me be an individual dev.
>
> Can you explain this idea a little more? I'm not sure what you mean by
> a consultancy here.
>
> On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 7:38 AM, Thiago H de Paula Figueiredo
> <th...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 27 Jan 2013 10:25:19 -0200, John <jo...@quivinco.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>
>>
>> Hi!
>>
>>
>>> I'm sure having a book is also a great way to get this great technology
>>> taken more seriously.
>>
>>
>> We already have a very good one, written by one of the committers, Igor
>> Drobiazko:
>> http://blog.tapestry5.de/index.php/2013/01/25/tapestry-5-book-is-here/.
>>
>> --
>> Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo
>>
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