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[Collections] Is commons collections dormant ?
Hi !
I was curious wether Commons Collections is dormant or not , since
last release is from 2010 and this release doesnt support generics.
With regards ,
Leandro A. Pezzente
Re: [Collections] Is commons collections dormant ?
Posted by James Ring <sj...@jdns.org>.
On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 12:44 PM, Matt Benson <gu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 2:35 PM, Jörg Schaible <jo...@gmx.de> wrote:
>> Hi Benedict,
>>
>> Benedikt Ritter wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> finally I've found the time to answer to this topic :) We had a similar
>>> discussion a while ago [1]. Back then James suggested to drop
>>> collections completely in favor of google guava. I have started to
>>> implement QueryableCollections in trunk anyway, because I still disagree
>>> with James.
>>> I would appreciate comments from one of commons collections commiters,
>>> if they would like to have something like that. I still think, that the
>>> possibility to query for elements would be a nice addition to collections.
>>>
>>> ATM I'm having some problems with the latest source:
>>> Name clash: The method get(K) of type MultiMap<K,V> has the same erasure
>>> as get(Object) of type Get<K,V> but does not override it
>>>
>>> Does anyone know something about that?
>>
>> That's a very unfortunate signature from the JDK interface and all I can
>> guess, why it defines Object as argument, is for compatibility reasons. If
>> we derive from the JDK interface, you cannot declare "get(K)", only
>> "get(Object)".
>
> Actually, I approve of get(Object). No reason to stop Map clients
> from checking whether a given object is in the map, even if it never
> can be.
Why not just get rid of generics and go back to adding casts
everywhere? After all, there's no point of generics in Java except as
a safety measure at compile time. get only returns Object for
backwards compatibility reasons and it's a pain in the ass.
> Matt
Regards,
James
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Re: [Collections] Is commons collections dormant ?
Posted by Matt Benson <gu...@gmail.com>.
On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 2:35 PM, Jörg Schaible <jo...@gmx.de> wrote:
> Hi Benedict,
>
> Benedikt Ritter wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> finally I've found the time to answer to this topic :) We had a similar
>> discussion a while ago [1]. Back then James suggested to drop
>> collections completely in favor of google guava. I have started to
>> implement QueryableCollections in trunk anyway, because I still disagree
>> with James.
>> I would appreciate comments from one of commons collections commiters,
>> if they would like to have something like that. I still think, that the
>> possibility to query for elements would be a nice addition to collections.
>>
>> ATM I'm having some problems with the latest source:
>> Name clash: The method get(K) of type MultiMap<K,V> has the same erasure
>> as get(Object) of type Get<K,V> but does not override it
>>
>> Does anyone know something about that?
>
> That's a very unfortunate signature from the JDK interface and all I can
> guess, why it defines Object as argument, is for compatibility reasons. If
> we derive from the JDK interface, you cannot declare "get(K)", only
> "get(Object)".
Actually, I approve of get(Object). No reason to stop Map clients
from checking whether a given object is in the map, even if it never
can be.
Matt
>
> - Jörg
>
>
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Re: [Collections] Is commons collections dormant ?
Posted by Jörg Schaible <jo...@gmx.de>.
Hi Benedict,
Benedikt Ritter wrote:
> Hi,
>
> finally I've found the time to answer to this topic :) We had a similar
> discussion a while ago [1]. Back then James suggested to drop
> collections completely in favor of google guava. I have started to
> implement QueryableCollections in trunk anyway, because I still disagree
> with James.
> I would appreciate comments from one of commons collections commiters,
> if they would like to have something like that. I still think, that the
> possibility to query for elements would be a nice addition to collections.
>
> ATM I'm having some problems with the latest source:
> Name clash: The method get(K) of type MultiMap<K,V> has the same erasure
> as get(Object) of type Get<K,V> but does not override it
>
> Does anyone know something about that?
That's a very unfortunate signature from the JDK interface and all I can
guess, why it defines Object as argument, is for compatibility reasons. If
we derive from the JDK interface, you cannot declare "get(K)", only
"get(Object)".
- Jörg
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Re: [Collections] Is commons collections dormant ?
Posted by Benedikt Ritter <be...@systemoutprintln.de>.
As far as I can tell, it looks pretty generified ;) But as I said, I'm
having that name clash error.
Okay, so it is consensus, that no more effort (regarding new features)
should be put into collections?
Benedikt
Am 15.02.2012 19:23, schrieb Gary Gregory:
> Guava is a fine product but I'd like to see a generics version of
> [collections]. I wonder what state trunk is in and if could be released
> soon...
>
> Gary
>
> On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 1:13 PM, Ted Dunning<te...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I would recommend guava over collections as well so it sounds like you
>> disagree with both of us!
>>
>> :-)
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 1:07 PM, Benedikt Ritter
>> <be...@systemoutprintln.de>wrote:
>>
>>> finally I've found the time to answer to this topic :) We had a similar
>>> discussion a while ago [1]. Back then James suggested to drop collections
>>> completely in favor of google guava. I have started to implement
>>> QueryableCollections in trunk anyway, because I still disagree with
>> James.
>>> I would appreciate comments from one of commons collections commiters, if
>>> they would like to have something like that. I still think, that the
>>> possibility to query for elements would be a nice addition to
>> collections.
>>>
>>> ATM I'm having some problems with the latest source:
>>> Name clash: The method get(K) of type MultiMap<K,V> has the same erasure
>>> as get(Object) of type Get<K,V> but does not override it
>>>
>>> Does anyone know something about that?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Benedikt
>>>
>>> [1] http://markmail.org/thread/**mymr5pucpqsdl527<
>> http://markmail.org/thread/mymr5pucpqsdl527>
>>>
>>> Am 14.02.2012 17:00, schrieb Gary Gregory:
>>>
>>>> It's not dead, trunk has generics but it seems no one has put the time
>> and
>>>> effort towards a new release. Personally, it's something I'd like to see
>>>> released again but ATM I am focusing my Apache time on getting VFS 2.1
>> out
>>>> the door.
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>
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Re: [Collections] Is commons collections dormant ?
Posted by Gary Gregory <ga...@gmail.com>.
Guava is a fine product but I'd like to see a generics version of
[collections]. I wonder what state trunk is in and if could be released
soon...
Gary
On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 1:13 PM, Ted Dunning <te...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I would recommend guava over collections as well so it sounds like you
> disagree with both of us!
>
> :-)
>
> On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 1:07 PM, Benedikt Ritter
> <be...@systemoutprintln.de>wrote:
>
> > finally I've found the time to answer to this topic :) We had a similar
> > discussion a while ago [1]. Back then James suggested to drop collections
> > completely in favor of google guava. I have started to implement
> > QueryableCollections in trunk anyway, because I still disagree with
> James.
> > I would appreciate comments from one of commons collections commiters, if
> > they would like to have something like that. I still think, that the
> > possibility to query for elements would be a nice addition to
> collections.
> >
> > ATM I'm having some problems with the latest source:
> > Name clash: The method get(K) of type MultiMap<K,V> has the same erasure
> > as get(Object) of type Get<K,V> but does not override it
> >
> > Does anyone know something about that?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Benedikt
> >
> > [1] http://markmail.org/thread/**mymr5pucpqsdl527<
> http://markmail.org/thread/mymr5pucpqsdl527>
> >
> > Am 14.02.2012 17:00, schrieb Gary Gregory:
> >
> >> It's not dead, trunk has generics but it seems no one has put the time
> and
> >> effort towards a new release. Personally, it's something I'd like to see
> >> released again but ATM I am focusing my Apache time on getting VFS 2.1
> out
> >> the door.
> >>
> >
>
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Re: [Collections] Is commons collections dormant ?
Posted by Ted Dunning <te...@gmail.com>.
I would recommend guava over collections as well so it sounds like you
disagree with both of us!
:-)
On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 1:07 PM, Benedikt Ritter
<be...@systemoutprintln.de>wrote:
> finally I've found the time to answer to this topic :) We had a similar
> discussion a while ago [1]. Back then James suggested to drop collections
> completely in favor of google guava. I have started to implement
> QueryableCollections in trunk anyway, because I still disagree with James.
> I would appreciate comments from one of commons collections commiters, if
> they would like to have something like that. I still think, that the
> possibility to query for elements would be a nice addition to collections.
>
> ATM I'm having some problems with the latest source:
> Name clash: The method get(K) of type MultiMap<K,V> has the same erasure
> as get(Object) of type Get<K,V> but does not override it
>
> Does anyone know something about that?
>
> Regards,
> Benedikt
>
> [1] http://markmail.org/thread/**mymr5pucpqsdl527<http://markmail.org/thread/mymr5pucpqsdl527>
>
> Am 14.02.2012 17:00, schrieb Gary Gregory:
>
>> It's not dead, trunk has generics but it seems no one has put the time and
>> effort towards a new release. Personally, it's something I'd like to see
>> released again but ATM I am focusing my Apache time on getting VFS 2.1 out
>> the door.
>>
>
Re: [Collections] Is commons collections dormant ?
Posted by Benedikt Ritter <be...@systemoutprintln.de>.
I looked at it again. I get it now. But it is really confusing... Forget
about it.
Good night! :)
Am 16.02.2012 00:17, schrieb Benedikt Ritter:
> Hi,
>
> thanks for the hint. Maybe I gave too little context to my question. I
> wasn't trying to add something to MultiMap<K, V>. It is checked in this
> way in the repo. So I guess get(K key) in MultiMap will never work and
> can be considered broken (and a ticket should be filed)?
>
> Benedikt
>
>
> Am 15.02.2012 22:27, schrieb Simone Tripodi:
>> Bene,
>>
>> please have a look at the javadoc before
>> <http://docs.oracle.com/javase/1.5.0/docs/api/java/util/Map.html> and
>> see why get(K) cannot be added.
>>
>> HTH,
>> -Simo
>>
>> http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/
>> http://simonetripodi.livejournal.com/
>> http://twitter.com/simonetripodi
>> http://www.99soft.org/
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 7:07 PM, Benedikt Ritter
>> <be...@systemoutprintln.de> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> finally I've found the time to answer to this topic :) We had a similar
>>> discussion a while ago [1]. Back then James suggested to drop
>>> collections
>>> completely in favor of google guava. I have started to implement
>>> QueryableCollections in trunk anyway, because I still disagree with
>>> James.
>>> I would appreciate comments from one of commons collections
>>> commiters, if
>>> they would like to have something like that. I still think, that the
>>> possibility to query for elements would be a nice addition to
>>> collections.
>>>
>>> ATM I'm having some problems with the latest source:
>>> Name clash: The method get(K) of type MultiMap<K,V> has the same
>>> erasure as
>>> get(Object) of type Get<K,V> but does not override it
>>>
>>> Does anyone know something about that?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Benedikt
>>>
>>> [1] http://markmail.org/thread/mymr5pucpqsdl527
>>>
>>> Am 14.02.2012 17:00, schrieb Gary Gregory:
>>>
>>>> It's not dead, trunk has generics but it seems no one has put the
>>>> time and
>>>> effort towards a new release. Personally, it's something I'd like to
>>>> see
>>>> released again but ATM I am focusing my Apache time on getting VFS
>>>> 2.1 out
>>>> the door.
>>>>
>>>> Gary
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 8:12 AM,<le...@hush.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi !
>>>>>
>>>>> I was curious wether Commons Collections is dormant or not , since
>>>>> last release is from 2010 and this release doesnt support generics.
>>>>>
>>>>> With regards ,
>>>>> Leandro A. Pezzente
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [Collections] Is commons collections dormant ?
Posted by Matt Benson <gu...@gmail.com>.
On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 5:17 PM, Benedikt Ritter
<be...@systemoutprintln.de> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> thanks for the hint. Maybe I gave too little context to my question. I
> wasn't trying to add something to MultiMap<K, V>. It is checked in this way
> in the repo. So I guess get(K key) in MultiMap will never work and can be
> considered broken (and a ticket should be filed)?
Yes, this appears to have been a simple error on my part. Not sure
why Maven compiles it happily.
Matt
>
> Benedikt
>
>
> Am 15.02.2012 22:27, schrieb Simone Tripodi:
>
>> Bene,
>>
>> please have a look at the javadoc before
>> <http://docs.oracle.com/javase/1.5.0/docs/api/java/util/Map.html> and
>> see why get(K) cannot be added.
>>
>> HTH,
>> -Simo
>>
>> http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/
>> http://simonetripodi.livejournal.com/
>> http://twitter.com/simonetripodi
>> http://www.99soft.org/
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 7:07 PM, Benedikt Ritter
>> <be...@systemoutprintln.de> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> finally I've found the time to answer to this topic :) We had a similar
>>> discussion a while ago [1]. Back then James suggested to drop collections
>>> completely in favor of google guava. I have started to implement
>>> QueryableCollections in trunk anyway, because I still disagree with
>>> James.
>>> I would appreciate comments from one of commons collections commiters, if
>>> they would like to have something like that. I still think, that the
>>> possibility to query for elements would be a nice addition to
>>> collections.
>>>
>>> ATM I'm having some problems with the latest source:
>>> Name clash: The method get(K) of type MultiMap<K,V> has the same erasure
>>> as
>>> get(Object) of type Get<K,V> but does not override it
>>>
>>> Does anyone know something about that?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Benedikt
>>>
>>> [1] http://markmail.org/thread/mymr5pucpqsdl527
>>>
>>> Am 14.02.2012 17:00, schrieb Gary Gregory:
>>>
>>>> It's not dead, trunk has generics but it seems no one has put the time
>>>> and
>>>> effort towards a new release. Personally, it's something I'd like to see
>>>> released again but ATM I am focusing my Apache time on getting VFS 2.1
>>>> out
>>>> the door.
>>>>
>>>> Gary
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 8:12 AM,<le...@hush.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi !
>>>>>
>>>>> I was curious wether Commons Collections is dormant or not , since
>>>>> last release is from 2010 and this release doesnt support generics.
>>>>>
>>>>> With regards ,
>>>>> Leandro A. Pezzente
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [Collections] Is commons collections dormant ?
Posted by Benedikt Ritter <be...@systemoutprintln.de>.
Hi,
thanks for the hint. Maybe I gave too little context to my question. I
wasn't trying to add something to MultiMap<K, V>. It is checked in this
way in the repo. So I guess get(K key) in MultiMap will never work and
can be considered broken (and a ticket should be filed)?
Benedikt
Am 15.02.2012 22:27, schrieb Simone Tripodi:
> Bene,
>
> please have a look at the javadoc before
> <http://docs.oracle.com/javase/1.5.0/docs/api/java/util/Map.html> and
> see why get(K) cannot be added.
>
> HTH,
> -Simo
>
> http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/
> http://simonetripodi.livejournal.com/
> http://twitter.com/simonetripodi
> http://www.99soft.org/
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 7:07 PM, Benedikt Ritter
> <be...@systemoutprintln.de> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> finally I've found the time to answer to this topic :) We had a similar
>> discussion a while ago [1]. Back then James suggested to drop collections
>> completely in favor of google guava. I have started to implement
>> QueryableCollections in trunk anyway, because I still disagree with James.
>> I would appreciate comments from one of commons collections commiters, if
>> they would like to have something like that. I still think, that the
>> possibility to query for elements would be a nice addition to collections.
>>
>> ATM I'm having some problems with the latest source:
>> Name clash: The method get(K) of type MultiMap<K,V> has the same erasure as
>> get(Object) of type Get<K,V> but does not override it
>>
>> Does anyone know something about that?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Benedikt
>>
>> [1] http://markmail.org/thread/mymr5pucpqsdl527
>>
>> Am 14.02.2012 17:00, schrieb Gary Gregory:
>>
>>> It's not dead, trunk has generics but it seems no one has put the time and
>>> effort towards a new release. Personally, it's something I'd like to see
>>> released again but ATM I am focusing my Apache time on getting VFS 2.1 out
>>> the door.
>>>
>>> Gary
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 8:12 AM,<le...@hush.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi !
>>>>
>>>> I was curious wether Commons Collections is dormant or not , since
>>>> last release is from 2010 and this release doesnt support generics.
>>>>
>>>> With regards ,
>>>> Leandro A. Pezzente
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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Re: [Collections] Is commons collections dormant ?
Posted by Simone Tripodi <si...@apache.org>.
Bene,
please have a look at the javadoc before
<http://docs.oracle.com/javase/1.5.0/docs/api/java/util/Map.html> and
see why get(K) cannot be added.
HTH,
-Simo
http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/
http://simonetripodi.livejournal.com/
http://twitter.com/simonetripodi
http://www.99soft.org/
On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 7:07 PM, Benedikt Ritter
<be...@systemoutprintln.de> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> finally I've found the time to answer to this topic :) We had a similar
> discussion a while ago [1]. Back then James suggested to drop collections
> completely in favor of google guava. I have started to implement
> QueryableCollections in trunk anyway, because I still disagree with James.
> I would appreciate comments from one of commons collections commiters, if
> they would like to have something like that. I still think, that the
> possibility to query for elements would be a nice addition to collections.
>
> ATM I'm having some problems with the latest source:
> Name clash: The method get(K) of type MultiMap<K,V> has the same erasure as
> get(Object) of type Get<K,V> but does not override it
>
> Does anyone know something about that?
>
> Regards,
> Benedikt
>
> [1] http://markmail.org/thread/mymr5pucpqsdl527
>
> Am 14.02.2012 17:00, schrieb Gary Gregory:
>
>> It's not dead, trunk has generics but it seems no one has put the time and
>> effort towards a new release. Personally, it's something I'd like to see
>> released again but ATM I am focusing my Apache time on getting VFS 2.1 out
>> the door.
>>
>> Gary
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 8:12 AM,<le...@hush.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi !
>>>
>>> I was curious wether Commons Collections is dormant or not , since
>>> last release is from 2010 and this release doesnt support generics.
>>>
>>> With regards ,
>>> Leandro A. Pezzente
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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Re: [Collections] Is commons collections dormant ?
Posted by Benedikt Ritter <be...@systemoutprintln.de>.
Hi,
finally I've found the time to answer to this topic :) We had a similar
discussion a while ago [1]. Back then James suggested to drop
collections completely in favor of google guava. I have started to
implement QueryableCollections in trunk anyway, because I still disagree
with James.
I would appreciate comments from one of commons collections commiters,
if they would like to have something like that. I still think, that the
possibility to query for elements would be a nice addition to collections.
ATM I'm having some problems with the latest source:
Name clash: The method get(K) of type MultiMap<K,V> has the same erasure
as get(Object) of type Get<K,V> but does not override it
Does anyone know something about that?
Regards,
Benedikt
[1] http://markmail.org/thread/mymr5pucpqsdl527
Am 14.02.2012 17:00, schrieb Gary Gregory:
> It's not dead, trunk has generics but it seems no one has put the time and
> effort towards a new release. Personally, it's something I'd like to see
> released again but ATM I am focusing my Apache time on getting VFS 2.1 out
> the door.
>
> Gary
>
> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 8:12 AM,<le...@hush.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi !
>>
>> I was curious wether Commons Collections is dormant or not , since
>> last release is from 2010 and this release doesnt support generics.
>>
>> With regards ,
>> Leandro A. Pezzente
>>
>
>
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Re: [Collections] Is commons collections dormant ?
Posted by Gary Gregory <ga...@gmail.com>.
It's not dead, trunk has generics but it seems no one has put the time and
effort towards a new release. Personally, it's something I'd like to see
released again but ATM I am focusing my Apache time on getting VFS 2.1 out
the door.
Gary
On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 8:12 AM, <le...@hush.com> wrote:
> Hi !
>
> I was curious wether Commons Collections is dormant or not , since
> last release is from 2010 and this release doesnt support generics.
>
> With regards ,
> Leandro A. Pezzente
>
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