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Posted to dev@mnemonic.apache.org by Patrick Hunt <ph...@apache.org> on 2017/06/29 00:15:13 UTC
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation?
Given the recent work to bring on additional RMs (and increase community
involvement in general) and clearly document release procedures I feel that
my previous concerns have been largely addressed. If there is interest in
the community I would now be in favor, but up to you - do you feel you're
ready to graduate at this point?
Regards,
Patrick
On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 3:30 PM, Debojyoti Dutta <dd...@apache.org> wrote:
> On the diversity issue, we are trying to solve that with new committers
> from different organizations. We have had contributions from other
> companies like Cisco recently.
>
> This space is about to heat up soon and we will see more committers.
>
> cheers
> debo
>
> On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Patrick Hunt <ph...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > I've mentored a number of podlings over the years and this one if very
> well
> > run and is on a good trajectory. As noted my main concern is about
> > diversity - in particular "self-sustaining and self-governing
> communities".
> > http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#community
> > That's pretty clear and concise statements from the Apache community as a
> > whole as to what it takes. The podling is following "the apache way"
> quite
> > well, so it's really the sustaining part for me. Ensuring that community
> is
> > being built and the community as a whole is owning the process.
> >
> > Hope this helps, regards,
> >
> > Patrick
> >
> > On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 2:24 PM, Andrew Purtell <ap...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > For me the best test if a podling is ready for graduation is they do it
> > > (mostly) for themselves. So, Mnemonic, I'd encourage you to search
> > through
> > > the incubator mailing list archives for examples of other podlings
> > running
> > > a graduation vote and submitting the result to the IPMC. Then, do it.
> > >
> > > I'm glad to see the recent move to bring in more RMs in response to the
> > > earlier feedback, now that everyone is aware of it. Sorry, I didn't
> think
> > > that the incubator report might not be read back.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 5:42 PM, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Patrick,
> > >>
> > >> I read it. I'm curious, did you or Andrew share your feedback with
> > >> Mnemonic directly? I've noticed that podlings sometimes don't see the
> > >> input, and don't receive responses the way TLPs do.
> > >>
> > >> For the podling's information, we do also maintain a whimsy page of
> all
> > >> approved board reports per project, Mnemonic can see that information
> > >> here:
> > >> https://whimsy.apache.org/board/minutes/Mnemonic
> > >>
> > >> When I see a podling receiving 5 +1's on a dev list release vote,
> > that's a
> > >> great sign.
> > >>
> > >> There probably is room for more on list discussion, and yes the
> > committer
> > >> diversity isn't 100% there (I would be curious to see company
> > >> affiliations).
> > >>
> > >> I'll also point out that I sometimes ask these questions to podlings
> to
> > >> get
> > >> them to start thinking about graduation, not actually moving forward
> yet
> > >> due to $reasons.
> > >>
> > >> On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 2:58 PM Patrick Hunt <ph...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > Hi John, did you read my feedback on the most recent podling report?
> > Do
> > >> > you disagree? I don't believe this has changed significantly in the
> > past
> > >> > month/two. For example all releases have been done by a single
> person.
> > >> >
> > >> > https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/March2017
> > >> >
> > >> > As I've mentioned previously my only concerns at this point are
> around
> > >> > diversity.
> > >> >
> > >> > Patrick
> > >> >
> > >> > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 11:07 AM, Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org>
> > >> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >> Hi John and PPMCs
> > >> >>
> > >> >> As John advised, our community and project mnemonic might be ready
> to
> > >> get
> > >> >> graduated, I'd like to start the following votes according to the
> > >> >> processes
> > >> >> of http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html with your
> > >> mentoring
> > >> >> and guidance if no objection today
> > >> >>
> > >> >> - Community graduation vote
> > >> >> - IPMC recommendation vote
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Mnemonic Project Incubation Status
> > >> >> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/mnemonic.html
> > >> >> Very truly yours
> > >> >> +Gary
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 11:26 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <garyw@apache.org
> >
> > >> >> wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> > Hi John
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Thank you for starting this discussion.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Yes, our community is growing and continue to attract more people
> > to
> > >> >> join
> > >> >> > our community. Some industry users are aware of mnemonic and
> > already
> > >> get
> > >> >> > interested as i known.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Mnemonic is able to deliver unique values to their business so I
> > >> think
> > >> >> > that it is very important for us to get mnemonic graduated in
> time
> > if
> > >> >> > qualified.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > My 2 cents, looks nothing left for us to graduate Mnemonic, I'm
> > also
> > >> >> > looking forward to propose our project as Apache TLP.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Thanks!
> > >> >> > Very truly yours
> > >> >> > Gary
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > On Tuesday, May 2, 2017, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
> > >> wrote:
> > >> >> > > Hi Mnemonic PPMC,
> > >> >> > >
> > >> >> > > After looking at your recent release, your current growth and
> > well
> > >> >> > functioning PPMC, was wondering what was left for you guys to
> > >> graduate?
> > >> >> > >
> > >> >> > > John
> > >> >> > >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >>
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Best regards,
> > >
> > > - Andy
> > >
> > > If you are given a choice, you believe you have acted freely. - Raymond
> > > Teller (via Peter Watts)
> > >
> >
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation?
Posted by Patrick Hunt <ph...@apache.org>.
I believe it's this one:
https://community.apache.org/apache-way/apache-project-maturity-model.html
wrt readiness see my previous comment on this thread - iirc John was
concerned about the status of the web site but from what I've seen there
have been significant improvements since. John?
Regards,
Patrick
On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Gangumalla, Uma <um...@intel.com>
wrote:
> IMO, Mnemonic project doing good and ready for graduation.
> What is the mentors call on this?
>
> I remember many other projects do Maturity model checklist to check where
> we are? Gary/John do you mind ready that sheet, so that will help to
> assess better?
>
> Regards,
> Uma
>
> On 8/16/17, 12:46 PM, "Johnu George" <jo...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> >It seems that we are ready to be a top level project . We have a stable
> >release and we work well as a apache community under the guidance of our
> >mentors. Any thoughts?
> >
> >
> >
> >On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 12:00 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Dear John and Patrick,
> >>
> >> Thank you for the guidance, we have completed the construction of
> >>Mnemonic
> >> Website recently according to your feedback, this Apache server hosted
> >> website will be kept up to date and maintained by dedicated community
> >> members. we also have redirected the visitors from Github to our Apache
> >> server hosted website by providing a forward link in project README.md
> >> file. Please review it as follows.
> >>
> >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/
> >>
> >> Note: the browser cache may cause unexpected view of this website,
> >>please
> >> clear browser cache or visit it in incognito mode.
> >>
> >> Very truly yours.
> >> Gary
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 6:04 PM, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Hi patrick,
> >> >
> >> > I recently raised an issue with the website to the team. I personally
> >> > would like to see that fixed before a graduation. Specifically saying
> >> that
> >> > you need to learn it from github.
> >> >
> >> > John
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:15 PM Patrick Hunt <ph...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Given the recent work to bring on additional RMs (and increase
> >> community
> >> > > involvement in general) and clearly document release procedures I
> >>feel
> >> > that
> >> > > my previous concerns have been largely addressed. If there is
> >>interest
> >> in
> >> > > the community I would now be in favor, but up to you - do you feel
> >> you're
> >> > > ready to graduate at this point?
> >> > >
> >> > > Regards,
> >> > >
> >> > > Patrick
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 3:30 PM, Debojyoti Dutta <dd...@apache.org>
> >> > wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >> On the diversity issue, we are trying to solve that with new
> >> committers
> >> > >> from different organizations. We have had contributions from other
> >> > >> companies like Cisco recently.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> This space is about to heat up soon and we will see more
> >>committers.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> cheers
> >> > >> debo
> >> > >>
> >> > >> On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Patrick Hunt <ph...@apache.org>
> >> wrote:
> >> > >>
> >> > >> > I've mentored a number of podlings over the years and this one if
> >> very
> >> > >> well
> >> > >> > run and is on a good trajectory. As noted my main concern is
> >>about
> >> > >> > diversity - in particular "self-sustaining and self-governing
> >> > >> communities".
> >> > >> > http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#community
> >> > >> > That's pretty clear and concise statements from the Apache
> >>community
> >> > as
> >> > >> a
> >> > >> > whole as to what it takes. The podling is following "the apache
> >>way"
> >> > >> quite
> >> > >> > well, so it's really the sustaining part for me. Ensuring that
> >> > >> community is
> >> > >> > being built and the community as a whole is owning the process.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > Hope this helps, regards,
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > Patrick
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 2:24 PM, Andrew Purtell
> >><apurtell@apache.org
> >> >
> >> > >> > wrote:
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > > For me the best test if a podling is ready for graduation is
> >>they
> >> do
> >> > >> it
> >> > >> > > (mostly) for themselves. So, Mnemonic, I'd encourage you to
> >>search
> >> > >> > through
> >> > >> > > the incubator mailing list archives for examples of other
> >>podlings
> >> > >> > running
> >> > >> > > a graduation vote and submitting the result to the IPMC. Then,
> >>do
> >> > it.
> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> > > I'm glad to see the recent move to bring in more RMs in
> >>response
> >> to
> >> > >> the
> >> > >> > > earlier feedback, now that everyone is aware of it. Sorry, I
> >> didn't
> >> > >> think
> >> > >> > > that the incubator report might not be read back.
> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> > > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 5:42 PM, John D. Ament <
> >> > johndament@apache.org>
> >> > >> > > wrote:
> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> > >> Patrick,
> >> > >> > >>
> >> > >> > >> I read it. I'm curious, did you or Andrew share your feedback
> >> with
> >> > >> > >> Mnemonic directly? I've noticed that podlings sometimes don't
> >> see
> >> > >> the
> >> > >> > >> input, and don't receive responses the way TLPs do.
> >> > >> > >>
> >> > >> > >> For the podling's information, we do also maintain a whimsy
> >>page
> >> of
> >> > >> all
> >> > >> > >> approved board reports per project, Mnemonic can see that
> >> > information
> >> > >> > >> here:
> >> > >> > >> https://whimsy.apache.org/board/minutes/Mnemonic
> >> > >> > >>
> >> > >> > >> When I see a podling receiving 5 +1's on a dev list release
> >>vote,
> >> > >> > that's a
> >> > >> > >> great sign.
> >> > >> > >>
> >> > >> > >> There probably is room for more on list discussion, and yes
> >>the
> >> > >> > committer
> >> > >> > >> diversity isn't 100% there (I would be curious to see company
> >> > >> > >> affiliations).
> >> > >> > >>
> >> > >> > >> I'll also point out that I sometimes ask these questions to
> >> > podlings
> >> > >> to
> >> > >> > >> get
> >> > >> > >> them to start thinking about graduation, not actually moving
> >> > forward
> >> > >> yet
> >> > >> > >> due to $reasons.
> >> > >> > >>
> >> > >> > >> On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 2:58 PM Patrick Hunt <phunt@apache.org
> >
> >> > >> wrote:
> >> > >> > >>
> >> > >> > >> > Hi John, did you read my feedback on the most recent podling
> >> > >> report?
> >> > >> > Do
> >> > >> > >> > you disagree? I don't believe this has changed
> >>significantly in
> >> > the
> >> > >> > past
> >> > >> > >> > month/two. For example all releases have been done by a
> >>single
> >> > >> person.
> >> > >> > >> >
> >> > >> > >> > https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/March2017
> >> > >> > >> >
> >> > >> > >> > As I've mentioned previously my only concerns at this point
> >>are
> >> > >> around
> >> > >> > >> > diversity.
> >> > >> > >> >
> >> > >> > >> > Patrick
> >> > >> > >> >
> >> > >> > >> > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 11:07 AM, Gang(Gary) Wang <
> >> > garyw@apache.org
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > >> wrote:
> >> > >> > >> >
> >> > >> > >> >> Hi John and PPMCs
> >> > >> > >> >>
> >> > >> > >> >> As John advised, our community and project mnemonic might
> >>be
> >> > >> ready to
> >> > >> > >> get
> >> > >> > >> >> graduated, I'd like to start the following votes according
> >>to
> >> > the
> >> > >> > >> >> processes
> >> > >> > >> >> of http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html with
> >> your
> >> > >> > >> mentoring
> >> > >> > >> >> and guidance if no objection today
> >> > >> > >> >>
> >> > >> > >> >> - Community graduation vote
> >> > >> > >> >> - IPMC recommendation vote
> >> > >> > >> >>
> >> > >> > >> >> Mnemonic Project Incubation Status
> >> > >> > >> >> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/mnemonic.html
> >> > >> > >> >> Very truly yours
> >> > >> > >> >> +Gary
> >> > >> > >> >>
> >> > >> > >> >>
> >> > >> > >> >> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 11:26 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <
> >> > >> garyw@apache.org>
> >> > >> > >> >> wrote:
> >> > >> > >> >>
> >> > >> > >> >> > Hi John
> >> > >> > >> >> >
> >> > >> > >> >> > Thank you for starting this discussion.
> >> > >> > >> >> >
> >> > >> > >> >> > Yes, our community is growing and continue to attract
> >>more
> >> > >> people
> >> > >> > to
> >> > >> > >> >> join
> >> > >> > >> >> > our community. Some industry users are aware of mnemonic
> >>and
> >> > >> > already
> >> > >> > >> get
> >> > >> > >> >> > interested as i known.
> >> > >> > >> >> >
> >> > >> > >> >> > Mnemonic is able to deliver unique values to their
> >>business
> >> > so I
> >> > >> > >> think
> >> > >> > >> >> > that it is very important for us to get mnemonic
> >>graduated
> >> in
> >> > >> time
> >> > >> > if
> >> > >> > >> >> > qualified.
> >> > >> > >> >> >
> >> > >> > >> >> > My 2 cents, looks nothing left for us to graduate
> >>Mnemonic,
> >> > I'm
> >> > >> > also
> >> > >> > >> >> > looking forward to propose our project as Apache TLP.
> >> > >> > >> >> >
> >> > >> > >> >> > Thanks!
> >> > >> > >> >> > Very truly yours
> >> > >> > >> >> > Gary
> >> > >> > >> >> >
> >> > >> > >> >> >
> >> > >> > >> >> >
> >> > >> > >> >> > On Tuesday, May 2, 2017, John D. Ament <
> >> johndament@apache.org
> >> > >
> >> > >> > >> wrote:
> >> > >> > >> >> > > Hi Mnemonic PPMC,
> >> > >> > >> >> > >
> >> > >> > >> >> > > After looking at your recent release, your current
> >>growth
> >> > and
> >> > >> > well
> >> > >> > >> >> > functioning PPMC, was wondering what was left for you
> >>guys
> >> to
> >> > >> > >> graduate?
> >> > >> > >> >> > >
> >> > >> > >> >> > > John
> >> > >> > >> >> > >
> >> > >> > >> >> >
> >> > >> > >> >>
> >> > >> > >> >
> >> > >> > >> >
> >> > >> > >>
> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> > > --
> >> > >> > > Best regards,
> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> > > - Andy
> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> > > If you are given a choice, you believe you have acted freely. -
> >> > >> Raymond
> >> > >> > > Teller (via Peter Watts)
> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> >
> >> > >>
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
>
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation?
Posted by Wen Tong <pu...@gmail.com>.
+1 support for graduation.
On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 2:56 PM, Yanhui ZHAO <ya...@outlook.com> wrote:
> Hi Gary
>
>
> +1 support for graduation.
>
>
> Thank you and other devs for all the hard work committed to this project. It has been much fun working with you guys, and I look forward to more challenges and excitements after the graduation!
>
>
> Cheers!
>
>
> Yanhui
>
> ________________________________
> From: Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org>
> Sent: Friday, August 25, 2017 12:00:03 PM
> To: John D. Ament; dev@mnemonic.incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation?
>
> Hi John, Our Mentors and PPMCs
>
> We have prepared Apache Maturity checklist for your evaluation, please
> guide us to graduate our project, thanks.
>
> All comments and suggestions are welcome!
>
> Cheers!
> Gary
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 1:31 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi John
>>
>> Fixed it, Thank you for reminding me
>>
>> Very truly yours
>> Gary
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 12:39 PM, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Please take a look at https://dist.apache.org/rep
>>> os/dist/dev/incubator/mnemonic/
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 1:55 PM Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi John
>>>>
>>>> This issue has been fixed please refresh your browser and then review
>>>> it, Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> Very truly yours
>>>> Gary
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 10:33 AM, Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi John
>>>>>
>>>>> I didn't realize that and thank you very much for pointing it out, we
>>>>> will correct this according to your guidance.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>> Very truly yours
>>>>> Gary
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 4:54 AM, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks, but you're still out of compliance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - You're linking directly to your un-mirrored artifacts, but you
>>>>>> should be linking to your mirrored artifacts.
>>>>>> - You have not cleaned up your old releases, your old releases should
>>>>>> be archived.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now here's the catch - we require mirroring but I can't find anything
>>>>>> saying what the mirroring URL is. The format is going to be
>>>>>> http://apache.org/dyn/closer.cgi/incubator/mnemonic and you'll want
>>>>>> to grab your specific version from there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> John
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 9:31 PM Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi John,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Download menu item has been added to the navigator in home page,
>>>>>>> Please refresh your browser to review it, Thank you very much for the
>>>>>>> suggestion.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Very truly yours
>>>>>>> Gary
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 6:04 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi John,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You can download all versions of the package from Apache
>>>>>>>> distribution site that is linked from the following web page
>>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/releases
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Also, we can download them from Apache Mirrored Github page
>>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/releases
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We could add another menu item on top of home page dedicated for
>>>>>>>> downloading the latest one.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Very truly yours
>>>>>>>> Gary
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 5:40 PM, John D. Ament <
>>>>>>>> johndament@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm looking at your website. How do I download Mnemonic?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> John
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 4:37 PM Gary Wong <qi...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Uma
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yes, We are going to send out this checklist for PPMC review,
>>>>>>>>>> Thank you very much for the guidance.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Very truly yours
>>>>>>>>>> Gary
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Gangumalla, Uma <
>>>>>>>>>> uma.gangumalla@intel.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> IMO, Mnemonic project doing good and ready for graduation.
>>>>>>>>>>> What is the mentors call on this?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I remember many other projects do Maturity model checklist to
>>>>>>>>>>> check where
>>>>>>>>>>> we are? Gary/John do you mind ready that sheet, so that will help
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> assess better?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>> Uma
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/16/17, 12:46 PM, "Johnu George" <jo...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >It seems that we are ready to be a top level project . We have
>>>>>>>>>>> a stable
>>>>>>>>>>> >release and we work well as a apache community under the
>>>>>>>>>>> guidance of our
>>>>>>>>>>> >mentors. Any thoughts?
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 12:00 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <
>>>>>>>>>>> garyw@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> Dear John and Patrick,
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> Thank you for the guidance, we have completed the construction
>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>> >>Mnemonic
>>>>>>>>>>> >> Website recently according to your feedback, this Apache
>>>>>>>>>>> server hosted
>>>>>>>>>>> >> website will be kept up to date and maintained by dedicated
>>>>>>>>>>> community
>>>>>>>>>>> >> members. we also have redirected the visitors from Github to
>>>>>>>>>>> our Apache
>>>>>>>>>>> >> server hosted website by providing a forward link in project
>>>>>>>>>>> README.md
>>>>>>>>>>> >> file. Please review it as follows.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> Note: the browser cache may cause unexpected view of this
>>>>>>>>>>> website,
>>>>>>>>>>> >>please
>>>>>>>>>>> >> clear browser cache or visit it in incognito mode.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> Very truly yours.
>>>>>>>>>>> >> Gary
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 6:04 PM, John D. Ament <
>>>>>>>>>>> johndament@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > Hi patrick,
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > I recently raised an issue with the website to the team. I
>>>>>>>>>>> personally
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > would like to see that fixed before a graduation.
>>>>>>>>>>> Specifically saying
>>>>>>>>>>> >> that
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > you need to learn it from github.
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > John
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:15 PM Patrick Hunt <
>>>>>>>>>>> phunt@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > Given the recent work to bring on additional RMs (and
>>>>>>>>>>> increase
>>>>>>>>>>> >> community
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > involvement in general) and clearly document release
>>>>>>>>>>> procedures I
>>>>>>>>>>> >>feel
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > that
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > my previous concerns have been largely addressed. If there
>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>> >>interest
>>>>>>>>>>> >> in
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > the community I would now be in favor, but up to you - do
>>>>>>>>>>> you feel
>>>>>>>>>>> >> you're
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > ready to graduate at this point?
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > Patrick
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 3:30 PM, Debojyoti Dutta <
>>>>>>>>>>> ddutta@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> On the diversity issue, we are trying to solve that with
>>>>>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>>>>>> >> committers
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> from different organizations. We have had contributions
>>>>>>>>>>> from other
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> companies like Cisco recently.
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> This space is about to heat up soon and we will see more
>>>>>>>>>>> >>committers.
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> cheers
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> debo
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Patrick Hunt <
>>>>>>>>>>> phunt@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > I've mentored a number of podlings over the years and
>>>>>>>>>>> this one if
>>>>>>>>>>> >> very
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> well
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > run and is on a good trajectory. As noted my main
>>>>>>>>>>> concern is
>>>>>>>>>>> >>about
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > diversity - in particular "self-sustaining and
>>>>>>>>>>> self-governing
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> communities".
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > http://incubator.apache.org/gu
>>>>>>>>>>> ides/graduation.html#community
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > That's pretty clear and concise statements from the
>>>>>>>>>>> Apache
>>>>>>>>>>> >>community
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > as
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> a
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > whole as to what it takes. The podling is following
>>>>>>>>>>> "the apache
>>>>>>>>>>> >>way"
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> quite
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > well, so it's really the sustaining part for me.
>>>>>>>>>>> Ensuring that
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> community is
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > being built and the community as a whole is owning the
>>>>>>>>>>> process.
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > Hope this helps, regards,
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > Patrick
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 2:24 PM, Andrew Purtell
>>>>>>>>>>> >><apurtell@apache.org
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > For me the best test if a podling is ready for
>>>>>>>>>>> graduation is
>>>>>>>>>>> >>they
>>>>>>>>>>> >> do
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> it
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > (mostly) for themselves. So, Mnemonic, I'd encourage
>>>>>>>>>>> you to
>>>>>>>>>>> >>search
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > through
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > the incubator mailing list archives for examples of
>>>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>>>> >>podlings
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > running
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > a graduation vote and submitting the result to the
>>>>>>>>>>> IPMC. Then,
>>>>>>>>>>> >>do
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > it.
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > I'm glad to see the recent move to bring in more RMs
>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>> >>response
>>>>>>>>>>> >> to
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> the
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > earlier feedback, now that everyone is aware of it.
>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, I
>>>>>>>>>>> >> didn't
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> think
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > that the incubator report might not be read back.
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 5:42 PM, John D. Ament <
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > johndament@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> Patrick,
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> I read it. I'm curious, did you or Andrew share
>>>>>>>>>>> your feedback
>>>>>>>>>>> >> with
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> Mnemonic directly? I've noticed that podlings
>>>>>>>>>>> sometimes don't
>>>>>>>>>>> >> see
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> the
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> input, and don't receive responses the way TLPs do.
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> For the podling's information, we do also maintain a
>>>>>>>>>>> whimsy
>>>>>>>>>>> >>page
>>>>>>>>>>> >> of
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> all
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> approved board reports per project, Mnemonic can see
>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > information
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> here:
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> https://whimsy.apache.org/board/minutes/Mnemonic
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> When I see a podling receiving 5 +1's on a dev list
>>>>>>>>>>> release
>>>>>>>>>>> >>vote,
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > that's a
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> great sign.
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> There probably is room for more on list discussion,
>>>>>>>>>>> and yes
>>>>>>>>>>> >>the
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > committer
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> diversity isn't 100% there (I would be curious to
>>>>>>>>>>> see company
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> affiliations).
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> I'll also point out that I sometimes ask these
>>>>>>>>>>> questions to
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > podlings
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> to
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> get
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> them to start thinking about graduation, not
>>>>>>>>>>> actually moving
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > forward
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> yet
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> due to $reasons.
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 2:58 PM Patrick Hunt <
>>>>>>>>>>> phunt@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > Hi John, did you read my feedback on the most
>>>>>>>>>>> recent podling
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> report?
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > Do
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > you disagree? I don't believe this has changed
>>>>>>>>>>> >>significantly in
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > the
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > past
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > month/two. For example all releases have been done
>>>>>>>>>>> by a
>>>>>>>>>>> >>single
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> person.
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/March2017
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > As I've mentioned previously my only concerns at
>>>>>>>>>>> this point
>>>>>>>>>>> >>are
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> around
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > diversity.
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > Patrick
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 11:07 AM, Gang(Gary) Wang <
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > garyw@apache.org
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> Hi John and PPMCs
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> As John advised, our community and project
>>>>>>>>>>> mnemonic might
>>>>>>>>>>> >>be
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> ready to
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> get
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> graduated, I'd like to start the following votes
>>>>>>>>>>> according
>>>>>>>>>>> >>to
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > the
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> processes
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> of http://incubator.apache.org/gu
>>>>>>>>>>> ides/graduation.html with
>>>>>>>>>>> >> your
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> mentoring
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> and guidance if no objection today
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> - Community graduation vote
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> - IPMC recommendation vote
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> Mnemonic Project Incubation Status
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> http://incubator.apache.org/pr
>>>>>>>>>>> ojects/mnemonic.html
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> Very truly yours
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> +Gary
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 11:26 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> garyw@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Hi John
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Thank you for starting this discussion.
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Yes, our community is growing and continue to
>>>>>>>>>>> attract
>>>>>>>>>>> >>more
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> people
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > to
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> join
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > our community. Some industry users are aware of
>>>>>>>>>>> mnemonic
>>>>>>>>>>> >>and
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > already
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> get
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > interested as i known.
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Mnemonic is able to deliver unique values to
>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>> >>business
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > so I
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> think
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > that it is very important for us to get mnemonic
>>>>>>>>>>> >>graduated
>>>>>>>>>>> >> in
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> time
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > if
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > qualified.
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > My 2 cents, looks nothing left for us to
>>>>>>>>>>> graduate
>>>>>>>>>>> >>Mnemonic,
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > I'm
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > also
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > looking forward to propose our project as
>>>>>>>>>>> Apache TLP.
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Thanks!
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Very truly yours
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Gary
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > On Tuesday, May 2, 2017, John D. Ament <
>>>>>>>>>>> >> johndament@apache.org
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > Hi Mnemonic PPMC,
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > After looking at your recent release, your
>>>>>>>>>>> current
>>>>>>>>>>> >>growth
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > and
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > well
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > functioning PPMC, was wondering what was left
>>>>>>>>>>> for you
>>>>>>>>>>> >>guys
>>>>>>>>>>> >> to
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> graduate?
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > John
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > --
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > - Andy
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > If you are given a choice, you believe you have acted
>>>>>>>>>>> freely. -
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> Raymond
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > Teller (via Peter Watts)
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation?
Posted by Yanhui ZHAO <ya...@outlook.com>.
Hi Gary
+1 support for graduation.
Thank you and other devs for all the hard work committed to this project. It has been much fun working with you guys, and I look forward to more challenges and excitements after the graduation!
Cheers!
Yanhui
________________________________
From: Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org>
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2017 12:00:03 PM
To: John D. Ament; dev@mnemonic.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation?
Hi John, Our Mentors and PPMCs
We have prepared Apache Maturity checklist for your evaluation, please
guide us to graduate our project, thanks.
All comments and suggestions are welcome!
Cheers!
Gary
On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 1:31 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi John
>
> Fixed it, Thank you for reminding me
>
> Very truly yours
> Gary
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 12:39 PM, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Please take a look at https://dist.apache.org/rep
>> os/dist/dev/incubator/mnemonic/
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 1:55 PM Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi John
>>>
>>> This issue has been fixed please refresh your browser and then review
>>> it, Thanks!
>>>
>>> Very truly yours
>>> Gary
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 10:33 AM, Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi John
>>>>
>>>> I didn't realize that and thank you very much for pointing it out, we
>>>> will correct this according to your guidance.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>> Very truly yours
>>>> Gary
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 4:54 AM, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks, but you're still out of compliance.
>>>>>
>>>>> - You're linking directly to your un-mirrored artifacts, but you
>>>>> should be linking to your mirrored artifacts.
>>>>> - You have not cleaned up your old releases, your old releases should
>>>>> be archived.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now here's the catch - we require mirroring but I can't find anything
>>>>> saying what the mirroring URL is. The format is going to be
>>>>> http://apache.org/dyn/closer.cgi/incubator/mnemonic and you'll want
>>>>> to grab your specific version from there.
>>>>>
>>>>> John
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 9:31 PM Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi John,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Download menu item has been added to the navigator in home page,
>>>>>> Please refresh your browser to review it, Thank you very much for the
>>>>>> suggestion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Very truly yours
>>>>>> Gary
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 6:04 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi John,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You can download all versions of the package from Apache
>>>>>>> distribution site that is linked from the following web page
>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/releases
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also, we can download them from Apache Mirrored Github page
>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/releases
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We could add another menu item on top of home page dedicated for
>>>>>>> downloading the latest one.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Very truly yours
>>>>>>> Gary
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 5:40 PM, John D. Ament <
>>>>>>> johndament@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm looking at your website. How do I download Mnemonic?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> John
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 4:37 PM Gary Wong <qi...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Uma
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes, We are going to send out this checklist for PPMC review,
>>>>>>>>> Thank you very much for the guidance.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Very truly yours
>>>>>>>>> Gary
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Gangumalla, Uma <
>>>>>>>>> uma.gangumalla@intel.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> IMO, Mnemonic project doing good and ready for graduation.
>>>>>>>>>> What is the mentors call on this?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I remember many other projects do Maturity model checklist to
>>>>>>>>>> check where
>>>>>>>>>> we are? Gary/John do you mind ready that sheet, so that will help
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> assess better?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>> Uma
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 8/16/17, 12:46 PM, "Johnu George" <jo...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >It seems that we are ready to be a top level project . We have
>>>>>>>>>> a stable
>>>>>>>>>> >release and we work well as a apache community under the
>>>>>>>>>> guidance of our
>>>>>>>>>> >mentors. Any thoughts?
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 12:00 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <
>>>>>>>>>> garyw@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> Dear John and Patrick,
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> Thank you for the guidance, we have completed the construction
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> >>Mnemonic
>>>>>>>>>> >> Website recently according to your feedback, this Apache
>>>>>>>>>> server hosted
>>>>>>>>>> >> website will be kept up to date and maintained by dedicated
>>>>>>>>>> community
>>>>>>>>>> >> members. we also have redirected the visitors from Github to
>>>>>>>>>> our Apache
>>>>>>>>>> >> server hosted website by providing a forward link in project
>>>>>>>>>> README.md
>>>>>>>>>> >> file. Please review it as follows.
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> Note: the browser cache may cause unexpected view of this
>>>>>>>>>> website,
>>>>>>>>>> >>please
>>>>>>>>>> >> clear browser cache or visit it in incognito mode.
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> Very truly yours.
>>>>>>>>>> >> Gary
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 6:04 PM, John D. Ament <
>>>>>>>>>> johndament@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>>> >> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> > Hi patrick,
>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> > I recently raised an issue with the website to the team. I
>>>>>>>>>> personally
>>>>>>>>>> >> > would like to see that fixed before a graduation.
>>>>>>>>>> Specifically saying
>>>>>>>>>> >> that
>>>>>>>>>> >> > you need to learn it from github.
>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> > John
>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> > On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:15 PM Patrick Hunt <
>>>>>>>>>> phunt@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> > > Given the recent work to bring on additional RMs (and
>>>>>>>>>> increase
>>>>>>>>>> >> community
>>>>>>>>>> >> > > involvement in general) and clearly document release
>>>>>>>>>> procedures I
>>>>>>>>>> >>feel
>>>>>>>>>> >> > that
>>>>>>>>>> >> > > my previous concerns have been largely addressed. If there
>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>> >>interest
>>>>>>>>>> >> in
>>>>>>>>>> >> > > the community I would now be in favor, but up to you - do
>>>>>>>>>> you feel
>>>>>>>>>> >> you're
>>>>>>>>>> >> > > ready to graduate at this point?
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>>>>>> >> > > Regards,
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>>>>>> >> > > Patrick
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>>>>>> >> > > On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 3:30 PM, Debojyoti Dutta <
>>>>>>>>>> ddutta@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>>> >> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> On the diversity issue, we are trying to solve that with
>>>>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>>>>> >> committers
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> from different organizations. We have had contributions
>>>>>>>>>> from other
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> companies like Cisco recently.
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> This space is about to heat up soon and we will see more
>>>>>>>>>> >>committers.
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> cheers
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> debo
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Patrick Hunt <
>>>>>>>>>> phunt@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>>> >> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > I've mentored a number of podlings over the years and
>>>>>>>>>> this one if
>>>>>>>>>> >> very
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> well
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > run and is on a good trajectory. As noted my main
>>>>>>>>>> concern is
>>>>>>>>>> >>about
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > diversity - in particular "self-sustaining and
>>>>>>>>>> self-governing
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> communities".
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > http://incubator.apache.org/gu
>>>>>>>>>> ides/graduation.html#community
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > That's pretty clear and concise statements from the
>>>>>>>>>> Apache
>>>>>>>>>> >>community
>>>>>>>>>> >> > as
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> a
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > whole as to what it takes. The podling is following
>>>>>>>>>> "the apache
>>>>>>>>>> >>way"
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> quite
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > well, so it's really the sustaining part for me.
>>>>>>>>>> Ensuring that
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> community is
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > being built and the community as a whole is owning the
>>>>>>>>>> process.
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > Hope this helps, regards,
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > Patrick
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 2:24 PM, Andrew Purtell
>>>>>>>>>> >><apurtell@apache.org
>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > For me the best test if a podling is ready for
>>>>>>>>>> graduation is
>>>>>>>>>> >>they
>>>>>>>>>> >> do
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> it
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > (mostly) for themselves. So, Mnemonic, I'd encourage
>>>>>>>>>> you to
>>>>>>>>>> >>search
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > through
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > the incubator mailing list archives for examples of
>>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>>> >>podlings
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > running
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > a graduation vote and submitting the result to the
>>>>>>>>>> IPMC. Then,
>>>>>>>>>> >>do
>>>>>>>>>> >> > it.
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > I'm glad to see the recent move to bring in more RMs
>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>> >>response
>>>>>>>>>> >> to
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> the
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > earlier feedback, now that everyone is aware of it.
>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, I
>>>>>>>>>> >> didn't
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> think
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > that the incubator report might not be read back.
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 5:42 PM, John D. Ament <
>>>>>>>>>> >> > johndament@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> Patrick,
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> I read it. I'm curious, did you or Andrew share
>>>>>>>>>> your feedback
>>>>>>>>>> >> with
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> Mnemonic directly? I've noticed that podlings
>>>>>>>>>> sometimes don't
>>>>>>>>>> >> see
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> the
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> input, and don't receive responses the way TLPs do.
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> For the podling's information, we do also maintain a
>>>>>>>>>> whimsy
>>>>>>>>>> >>page
>>>>>>>>>> >> of
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> all
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> approved board reports per project, Mnemonic can see
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> >> > information
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> here:
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> https://whimsy.apache.org/board/minutes/Mnemonic
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> When I see a podling receiving 5 +1's on a dev list
>>>>>>>>>> release
>>>>>>>>>> >>vote,
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > that's a
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> great sign.
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> There probably is room for more on list discussion,
>>>>>>>>>> and yes
>>>>>>>>>> >>the
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > committer
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> diversity isn't 100% there (I would be curious to
>>>>>>>>>> see company
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> affiliations).
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> I'll also point out that I sometimes ask these
>>>>>>>>>> questions to
>>>>>>>>>> >> > podlings
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> to
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> get
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> them to start thinking about graduation, not
>>>>>>>>>> actually moving
>>>>>>>>>> >> > forward
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> yet
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> due to $reasons.
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 2:58 PM Patrick Hunt <
>>>>>>>>>> phunt@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > Hi John, did you read my feedback on the most
>>>>>>>>>> recent podling
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> report?
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > Do
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > you disagree? I don't believe this has changed
>>>>>>>>>> >>significantly in
>>>>>>>>>> >> > the
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > past
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > month/two. For example all releases have been done
>>>>>>>>>> by a
>>>>>>>>>> >>single
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> person.
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/March2017
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > As I've mentioned previously my only concerns at
>>>>>>>>>> this point
>>>>>>>>>> >>are
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> around
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > diversity.
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > Patrick
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 11:07 AM, Gang(Gary) Wang <
>>>>>>>>>> >> > garyw@apache.org
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> Hi John and PPMCs
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> As John advised, our community and project
>>>>>>>>>> mnemonic might
>>>>>>>>>> >>be
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> ready to
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> get
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> graduated, I'd like to start the following votes
>>>>>>>>>> according
>>>>>>>>>> >>to
>>>>>>>>>> >> > the
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> processes
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> of http://incubator.apache.org/gu
>>>>>>>>>> ides/graduation.html with
>>>>>>>>>> >> your
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> mentoring
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> and guidance if no objection today
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> - Community graduation vote
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> - IPMC recommendation vote
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> Mnemonic Project Incubation Status
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> http://incubator.apache.org/pr
>>>>>>>>>> ojects/mnemonic.html
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> Very truly yours
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> +Gary
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 11:26 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> garyw@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Hi John
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Thank you for starting this discussion.
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Yes, our community is growing and continue to
>>>>>>>>>> attract
>>>>>>>>>> >>more
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> people
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > to
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> join
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > our community. Some industry users are aware of
>>>>>>>>>> mnemonic
>>>>>>>>>> >>and
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > already
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> get
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > interested as i known.
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Mnemonic is able to deliver unique values to
>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>> >>business
>>>>>>>>>> >> > so I
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> think
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > that it is very important for us to get mnemonic
>>>>>>>>>> >>graduated
>>>>>>>>>> >> in
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> time
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > if
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > qualified.
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > My 2 cents, looks nothing left for us to
>>>>>>>>>> graduate
>>>>>>>>>> >>Mnemonic,
>>>>>>>>>> >> > I'm
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > also
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > looking forward to propose our project as
>>>>>>>>>> Apache TLP.
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Thanks!
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Very truly yours
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Gary
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > On Tuesday, May 2, 2017, John D. Ament <
>>>>>>>>>> >> johndament@apache.org
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > Hi Mnemonic PPMC,
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > After looking at your recent release, your
>>>>>>>>>> current
>>>>>>>>>> >>growth
>>>>>>>>>> >> > and
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > well
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > functioning PPMC, was wondering what was left
>>>>>>>>>> for you
>>>>>>>>>> >>guys
>>>>>>>>>> >> to
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> graduate?
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > John
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > --
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > - Andy
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > If you are given a choice, you believe you have acted
>>>>>>>>>> freely. -
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> Raymond
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > Teller (via Peter Watts)
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation?
Posted by "Gang(Gary) Wang" <ga...@apache.org>.
Hi Uma,
Thank you very much for proposing me as Chair for Apache Mnemonic project.
Hi Mentors and PPMCs
Looks I have no enough permission to update the content of
https://whimsy4.apache.org/roster/ppmc/mnemonic
<http://whimsy.apache.org/roster> , Could you please help and guide us to
correct those issues pointed out by Uma? Thanks!
Very truly yours
Gary
On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 11:50 AM, Gangumalla, Uma <um...@intel.com>
wrote:
> Hi Gary,
>
> https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/ppmc/mnemonic has draft resolution
> option.
> Need to choose a chair. I propose you(Gary Wong) as Chair for Apache
> Mnemonic project if no other objections. (Do we need vote for this)
>
> Also it says, resolution can be reviewed in private list.
>
>
> From that whimsy.apache.org/roster
> Below things needs to be corrected.
> 1.
> Licensing
> * No Software Grant and No IP Clearance Filed
> * No Release Yet/Missing ASF Copyright Headers on Source Code
> * No Release Yet/Binary has licensing issues
>
> 2. PPMC/Committers in this project are not listed there
>
> 3. Prior board report is not linked to June month report.
>
>
>
> Regards,
> Uma
>
>
> On 9/7/17, 11:16 AM, "Gary Wong" <qi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Got it, Thanks for the guidance, We are going to start the official vote.
> >we have also prepared a draft of Graduation resolution for your review,
> >Thanks!
> >
> >https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MNEMONIC/
> Graduation+Resolution
> >
> >On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 11:07 AM, Henry Saputra <he...@gmail.com>
> >wrote:
> >
> >> To do official VOTE thread we need to have proposed board resolution for
> >> the TLP.
> >>
> >> - Henry
> >>
> >> On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 9:45 PM, Gary Wong <qi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Hi Patrick and Mentors
> >> >
> >> > Thank you for the input and guidance.
> >> >
> >> > I have visited the following page that you mentioned, it looks there
> >>are
> >> > some broken links.
> >> > https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#
> >> graduation_check_list
> >> >
> >> > I paste two key sections here as a checklist for verification
> >> >
> >> > -
> >> >
> >> > Preparations
> >> > -
> >> >
> >> > Complete (and sign off) tasks documented in the status file
> >> >
> >><https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#notes-status>
> >> > Yes, it is up-to-date
> >> > -
> >> >
> >> > Ensure suitable names
> >> >
> >><https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#notes-names>
> >> > for
> >> > project name and product names
> >> > Approved,
> >>https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-
> >> 95
> >> > -
> >> >
> >> > Demonstrate ability to create Apache releases
> >> > <https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#releases>
> >> > Release 8 versions and another one is WIP, involved 3 release
> >> > managers
> >> > -
> >> >
> >> > Demonstrate community readiness
> >> > <https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#community>
> >> > Our contributors come from different companies and show the
> >> diversity
> >> > and working on different components, all changes have been
> >>reviewed
> >> > and
> >> > trackable. we have an open, positive and inclusive atmosphere
> >>for
> >> the
> >> > discussion
> >> > -
> >> >
> >> > Ensure Mentors
> >> > <https://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Roles_and_
> >> > Responsibilities.html#Mentor>
> >> > and IPMC
> >> > <https://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Roles_and_
> >> >
> >>Responsibilities.html#Incubator+Project+Management+Committee+%28PMC%29>
> >> > have no remaining issues
> >> >
> >><https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#notes-issues>
> >> > We have taken actions on issues from the discussion of
> >>graduation
> >> and
> >> > fulfilled the Apache maturity assessment
> >> >
> >> >
> >>https://docs.google.com/document/d/10LKTjPMceV4s4MrSRIA9L8pg7jLFp
> >> > -ec-TmW96mZbXM/edit?usp=sharing
> >> > -
> >> >
> >> > Decide upon destination
> >> > <https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#
> >> > subproject-or-top-level>
> >> > Would be Top-Level Project
> >> > -
> >> >
> >> > Prepare a resolution
> >> >
> >><https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#tlp-resolution>
> >> > *(top
> >> > level candidates only)*.
> >> > We will prepare our resolution according to
> >> >
> >> > https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#
> >> > submission_of_the_resolution_to_the_board
> >> > template
> >> >
> >> > https://svn.apache.org/repos/private/committers/board/
> >> > templates/podling-tlp-resolution.txt
> >> > and some samples
> >> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CRUNCH/
> >> > Graduation+Resolution
> >> >
> >> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FINERACT/
> >> > Graduation+Resolution
> >> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DATAFU/
> >> > Graduation+Resolution
> >> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MADLIB/
> >> > Graduation+Resolution
> >> > The resolution should be proposed on the general incubator list
> >> > <ge...@incubator.apache.org> before a *VOTE
> >> > <http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html>* is started to
> allow
> >> > feedback
> >> > -
> >> >
> >> > Subproject acceptance *VOTE*
> >> > <https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#
> >> > subproject-acceptance>
> >> > by destination Project *(*subproject* candidates only)*
> >> > NA
> >> > -
> >> >
> >> > Incubator PMC (IPMC)
> >> > <https://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Roles_and_
> >> >
> >>Responsibilities.html#Incubator+Project+Management+Committee+%28PMC%29>
> >> > :
> >> > -
> >> >
> >> > For top level candidates, this is a recommendation *VOTE*
> >> > <https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#ipmc-
> >> > top-level-recommendation>
> >> > See below.
> >> >
> >> > -
> >> >
> >> > For subproject candidates, this is a graduation approval *VOTE*
> >> > <https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#
> >> > subproject-graduation>
> >> > NA
> >> > -
> >> >
> >> > Final hand-over
> >> > <https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#notes-
> >> on-hand-over
> >> > >
> >> > -
> >> >
> >> > Consider post graduation tasks
> >> > <https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#
> >> > project-first-steps>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Graduation to a top level project requires:
> >> >
> >> > -
> >> >
> >> > a charter for your project
> >> > https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#
> >> preparing_a_charter
> >> > -
> >> >
> >> > a positive community graduation VOTE
> >> > <http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html>
> >> >
> >> > https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#
> >> > community_graduation_vote
> >> > -
> >> >
> >> > a positive IPMC recommendation VOTE
> >> > <http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html>
> >> > I have not found a template for this vote, but we can refer to
> >>other
> >> > project's vote.
> >> > Samples
> >> >
> >> > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-
> >> > general/201709.mbox/%3CCAOqetn_+Oub4Gtr4=hOv=
> >> > cLeMYB0i=XeeWkoxiBPg1v+CWALyw@mail.gmail.com%3E
> >> > -
> >> >
> >> > the acceptance of the resolution
> >> >
> >><https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#tlp-resolution>
> >> by
> >> > the Board
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > so our next step would be to prepare a resolution, please help to
> >>verify
> >> it
> >> > and guide us to complete those steps for graduation, Thanks!
> >> >
> >> > Very truly yours
> >> > Gary.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 6:36 PM, Patrick Hunt <ph...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > ps.
> >> > >
> >> > > > 3) Many contributed have voted +1s for this graduation
> >> > >
> >> > > keep in mind that this is the discussion thread and not a vote. Note
> >> (see
> >> > > the link to grad doc I just provided) that you need to do a couple
> >> things
> >> > > before the vote.
> >> > >
> >> > > Patrick
> >> > >
> >> > > On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 6:34 PM, Patrick Hunt <ph...@apache.org>
> >>wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > > I reviewed the status page earlier today and it looks up to date
> >>to
> >> me.
> >> > > > http://incubator.apache.org/projects/mnemonic.html
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Similarly the "preparation" steps have been followed afaict:
> >> > > > https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#
> >> > > graduation_check_list
> >> > > > namesearch
> >><https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-
> >> 95
> >> > >
> >> > > > etc... signed off a while ago
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Patrick
> >> > > >
> >> > > > On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 4:54 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <garyw@apache.org
> >
> >> > > wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > >> Let me summarize the discussion on graduation, Please refer to
> >>this
> >> > > email
> >> > > >> thread for details.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> 1) We have completed the website of Mnemonic that is required
> >>before
> >> > > >> graduation
> >> > > >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> 2) We have filled the Apache project maturity assessment for
> >> Mnemonic
> >> > > and
> >> > > >> fixed all gaps that would be helpful for graduation
> >> > > >> https://docs.google.com/document/d/10LKTjPMceV4s4MrSRIA9L8pg
> >> > > >> 7jLFp-ec-TmW96mZbXM/edit?usp=sharing
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> 3) Many contributed have voted +1s for this graduation
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> Please add yours if any before we are starting graduation votes,
> >> > Thanks!
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> Cheers
> >> > > >> Gary
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 9:51 AM, Gang(Gary) Wang
> >><ga...@apache.org>
> >> > > wrote:
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>> Hi John, Mentors and PPMCs
> >> > > >>>
> >> > > >>> Looks no new issues crop up for a few days, and many
> >>contributors
> >> are
> >> > > >>> positive and voted +1s for graduation, no negative from our
> >> > community,
> >> > > so I
> >> > > >>> think this discussion could be settled down today and proceed to
> >> > > collect
> >> > > >>> votes from our community and IPMCs for graduation, please guide
> >>us
> >> if
> >> > > any
> >> > > >>> missing, misunderstanding and suggestion, Thanks!
> >> > > >>>
> >> > > >>> Very truly yours
> >> > > >>> Gary
> >> > > >>>
> >> > > >>>
> >> > > >>> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 12:18 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <
> >> garyw@apache.org>
> >> > > >>> wrote:
> >> > > >>>
> >> > > >>>> Hi John, Mentors and PPMCs
> >> > > >>>>
> >> > > >>>> Looks we have resolved all the issues that you have pointed out
> >> for
> >> > > >>>> graduation, meanwhile, there are more contributors +1 for our
> >> > > project's
> >> > > >>>> graduation so, could we start the community graduation vote and
> >> IPMC
> >> > > >>>> graduation vote according to the following chart extracted from
> >> > > >>>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#community ?
> >> > > Thanks!
> >> > > >>>>
> >> > > >>>> [image: Inline image 1]
> >> > > >>>>
> >> > > >>>> Very truly yours
> >> > > >>>> Gary
> >> > > >>>>
> >> > > >>>> On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 11:22 PM, Wen Tong <puresky7@gmail.com
> >
> >> > > wrote:
> >> > > >>>>
> >> > > >>>>> +1 support for graduation.
> >> > > >>>>>
> >> > > >>>>> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 5:35 AM, Wei HE <he...@gmail.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> > > >>>>> > +1 support for graduation.
> >> > > >>>>> >
> >> > > >>>>> > Wei HE
> >> > > >>>>> >
> >> > > >>>>> > On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 4:40 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <
> >> > garyw@apache.org
> >> > > >
> >> > > >>>>> wrote:
> >> > > >>>>> >
> >> > > >>>>> >> Yes, I also totally agree this and we will try our best for
> >> the
> >> > > >>>>> readiness
> >> > > >>>>> >> for the graduation.
> >> > > >>>>> >>
> >> > > >>>>> >> For the suggestion that John advised, we have prepared the
> >> > > following
> >> > > >>>>> >> comments for your review, Thanks!
> >> > > >>>>> >>
> >> > > >>>>> >> *CD20 - You have a link in your header called GITHUB that
> >> > brought
> >> > > >>>>> me to
> >> > > >>>>> >> your source code. Other projects use hacking guides.
> >>Unless
> >> > > >>>>> you're on
> >> > > >>>>> >> gitbox, the git primary repo should be the ASF hosted
> >>repos.*
> >> > > >>>>> >>
> >> > > >>>>> >> The github link has been removed from CD20 and using
> >> > > >>>>> >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/develop/ as the link
> >>of
> >> > > >>>>> website. we
> >> > > >>>>> >> also create ticket MNEMONIC-355 (resolved) to remove Github
> >> link
> >> > > >>>>> from
> >> > > >>>>> >> navigator menu on website.
> >> > > >>>>> >>
> >> > > >>>>> >> *CD30 - The usage of docker is in of itself a violation of
> >> this
> >> > > >>>>> item, from
> >> > > >>>>> >> my point of view. In your case, you're pointing to
> >> > > "centos:latest"
> >> > > >>>>> which
> >> > > >>>>> >> today is C7.2, but in a few months will be C7.3.*
> >> > > >>>>> >>
> >> > > >>>>> >> Yes, we will fix it through Apache Jira
> >>MNEMONIC-353(reviewed)
> >> > and
> >> > > >>>>> >> MNEMONIC-356(WIP)
> >> > > >>>>> >>
> >> > > >>>>> >> *CD50 - I can't tell if the pull requests to your repo are
> >> from
> >> > > >>>>> committers
> >> > > >>>>> >> or from contributors. If I take
> >> > > >>>>> >> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/pull/60
> >> > > >>>>> >> <https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/pull/60> as
> >>an
> >> > > >>>>> example, the
> >> > > >>>>> >> commit message says nothing about provenance of the source
> >> > code.*
> >> > > >>>>> >>
> >> > > >>>>> >> We have requested to revoke all stalled PRs, and all commit
> >> > > >>>>> messages must
> >> > > >>>>> >> contain Apache JIRA number and title.
> >> > > >>>>> >>
> >> > > >>>>> >> *LC50 - You mention in your response why this is incorrect
> >> (the
> >> > > use
> >> > > >>>>> of
> >> > > >>>>> >> *most*)*
> >> > > >>>>> >>
> >> > > >>>>> >> Yes we will correct it with "The files in the project
> >>source
> >> > > >>>>> repository
> >> > > >>>>> >> have appropriate headers", The files under target/ that
> >> > generated
> >> > > >>>>> by mvn
> >> > > >>>>> >> building process would be excluded and all other project
> >>files
> >> > > have
> >> > > >>>>> been
> >> > > >>>>> >> properly licensed and guarded by RAT plugin.
> >> > > >>>>> >>
> >> > > >>>>> >> *RE10 - You link to http://mnemonic.incubator.
> >> apache.org/news/
> >> > > >>>>> >> <http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/news/> but that
> >>doesn't
> >> > > >>>>> include any
> >> > > >>>>> >> download links. http://mnemonic.incubator.
> >> > apache.org/downloads/
> >> > > >>>>> >> <http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/downloads/> does
> >> include
> >> > > >>>>> download
> >> > > >>>>> >> links to the proper release mirrors.*
> >> > > >>>>> >>
> >> > > >>>>> >> That has been corrected by replacing it with the link
> >> > > >>>>> >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/downloads/
> >> > > >>>>> >>
> >> > > >>>>> >> *RE20 - You mention non-PMC members in the vote (PPMC).*
> >> > > >>>>> >>
> >> > > >>>>> >> Yes, we started with the community vote for releasing and
> >>the
> >> > > result
> >> > > >>>>> >> explicitly shows binding and non-binding votes.
> >> > > >>>>> >>
> >> > > >>>>> >> *RE30 - Again, not using mirror.*
> >> > > >>>>> >>
> >> > > >>>>> >> Looks no mirror link in this field.
> >> > > >>>>> >>
> >> > > >>>>> >> *RE40 - Correct answer would be "NO. We do not distribute
> >> binary
> >> > > >>>>> >> releases."*
> >> > > >>>>> >>
> >> > > >>>>> >> Yes it is and corrected
> >> > > >>>>> >>
> >> > > >>>>> >> *RE50 - Your release process neglects deleting old
> >>artifacts.*
> >> > > >>>>> >>
> >> > > >>>>> >> Sorry I forgot it and corrected it by the Apache Jira
> >>ticket
> >> > > >>>>> MNEMONIC-357
> >> > > >>>>> >> (resolved) as well as MNEMONIC-358 (resolved)
> >> > > >>>>> >>
> >> > > >>>>> >> *QU10 - Code quality is more than bug reports. You may
> >>want
> >> to
> >> > > use
> >> > > >>>>> >> linters, sonar, etc.*
> >> > > >>>>> >>
> >> > > >>>>> >> Yes, we will investigate this plugin and apply them to
> >>project
> >> > > >>>>> later, as
> >> > > >>>>> >> for now, the QU10 has been replaced with "YES. The project
> >> > records
> >> > > >>>>> all bugs
> >> > > >>>>> >> in the Apache¹s JIRA issue tracker. Developer also uses
> >> Eclipse
> >> > or
> >> > > >>>>> Intellij
> >> > > >>>>> >> IDEA to improve their code quality."
> >> > > >>>>> >>
> >> > > >>>>> >> *QU20 - This is only achievable if you've had a security
> >> > > >>>>> vulnerability
> >> > > >>>>> >> reported. If you haven't had one reported, there's no way
> >>to
> >> > > >>>>> confirm
> >> > > >>>>> >> this.*
> >> > > >>>>> >>
> >> > > >>>>> >> The QU20 has been replaced with "YES. Security issues
> >>would be
> >> > > >>>>> treated with
> >> > > >>>>> >> the highest priority, computing service and memory service
> >>are
> >> > > >>>>> separated
> >> > > >>>>> >> from other modules and defined by interfaces, so security
> >> > concerns
> >> > > >>>>> could be
> >> > > >>>>> >> largely mitigated by introduced this design at first
> >>place.",
> >> > that
> >> > > >>>>> this
> >> > > >>>>> >> emphasize we consider the security aspect from design
> >> viewpoint
> >> > as
> >> > > >>>>> well.
> >> > > >>>>> >>
> >> > > >>>>> >> *QU50 - I see that MNEMONIC-203/217 have been open for
> >>around
> >> 6
> >> > > >>>>> months.*
> >> > > >>>>> >>
> >> > > >>>>> >> We have asked owners to properly handle those tickets
> >> > > >>>>> >>
> >> > > >>>>> >> *CO10 - Github shows two pull requests open without any
> >> > commentary
> >> > > >>>>> or
> >> > > >>>>> >> questions from the project's committers. Why is that?*
> >> > > >>>>> >>
> >> > > >>>>> >> They are stalled PRs, we have asked the owner to properly
> >> revoke
> >> > > >>>>> them.
> >> > > >>>>> >>
> >> > > >>>>> >> *The full checklist as follows for you to add comments*
> >> > > >>>>> >> https://docs.google.com/document/d/
> >> > 10LKTjPMceV4s4MrSRIA9L8pg7jLFp
> >> > > >>>>> >> -ec-TmW96mZbXM/edit?usp=sharing
> >> > > >>>>> >>
> >> > > >>>>> >> Very truly yours
> >> > > >>>>> >> Gary
> >> > > >>>>> >>
> >> > > >>>>> >>
> >> > > >>>>> >>
> >> > > >>>>> >>
> >> > > >>>>> >>
> >> > > >>>>> >> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 2:25 PM, John D. Ament <
> >> > > >>>>> johndament@apache.org>
> >> > > >>>>> >> wrote:
> >> > > >>>>> >>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > Huge +1 to that.
> >> > > >>>>> >> >
> >> > > >>>>> >> > On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 5:18 PM Henry Saputra <
> >> > > >>>>> henry.saputra@gmail.com>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > wrote:
> >> > > >>>>> >> >
> >> > > >>>>> >> > > The "checklist" suppose to just provide guide for
> >> readiness
> >> > > our
> >> > > >>>>> >> > > graduation. It was NOT mandatory checklist.
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >
> >> > > >>>>> >> > > This should be used primarily for self check to make
> >>sure
> >> we
> >> > > >>>>> are ready
> >> > > >>>>> >> > for
> >> > > >>>>> >> > > graduation.
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >
> >> > > >>>>> >> > > - Henry
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >
> >> > > >>>>> >> > > On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 7:50 PM, John D. Ament <
> >> > > >>>>> johndament@apache.org>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > > wrote:
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> Hello,
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> So first, I'll say its always great to see a podling
> >>aim
> >> to
> >> > > >>>>> graduate.
> >> > > >>>>> >> > Its
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> not up to me to measure whether the podling has been
> >> > > >>>>> successful or
> >> > > >>>>> >> not,
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> but
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> instead the IPMC as a whole. I can give you some
> >> feedback
> >> > on
> >> > > >>>>> the APMM
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> assessment, but I'll point out that I'm not a fan of
> >>this
> >> > > form
> >> > > >>>>> and
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> completing this form is not a requirement for
> >>graduation.
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> So please, when reviewing the below list, understand
> >>that
> >> > > >>>>> completing
> >> > > >>>>> >> > this
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> is not a requirement for graduation. Even then,
> >>podlings
> >> > who
> >> > > >>>>> think
> >> > > >>>>> >> they
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> pass it may be missing things.
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> CD20 - You have a link in your header called GITHUB
> >>that
> >> > > >>>>> brought me to
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> your
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> source code. Other projects use hacking guides.
> >>Unless
> >> > > >>>>> you're on
> >> > > >>>>> >> > gitbox,
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> the git primary repo should be the ASF hosted repos.
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> CD30 - The usage of docker is in of itself a
> >>violation of
> >> > > this
> >> > > >>>>> item,
> >> > > >>>>> >> > from
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> my point of view. In your case, you're pointing to
> >> > > >>>>> "centos:latest"
> >> > > >>>>> >> > which
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> today is C7.2, but in a few months will be C7.3.
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> CD50 - I can't tell if the pull requests to your repo
> >>are
> >> > > from
> >> > > >>>>> >> > committers
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> or from contributors. If I take
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/pull/60
> >>as
> >> an
> >> > > >>>>> example,
> >> > > >>>>> >> the
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> commit message says nothing about provenance of the
> >> source
> >> > > >>>>> code.
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> LC50 - You mention in your response why this is
> >>incorrect
> >> > > (the
> >> > > >>>>> use of
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> *most*)
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> RE10 - You link to http://mnemonic.incubator.
> >> > > apache.org/news/
> >> > > >>>>> but
> >> > > >>>>> >> that
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> doesn't include any download links.
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/downloads/ does
> >> > include
> >> > > >>>>> download
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> links
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> to the proper release mirrors.
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> RE20 - You mention non-PMC members in the vote (PPMC).
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> RE30 - Again, not using mirror.
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> RE40 - Correct answer would be "NO. We do not
> >>distribute
> >> > > binary
> >> > > >>>>> >> > releases."
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> RE50 - Your release process neglects deleting old
> >> > artifacts.
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> QU10 - Code quality is more than bug reports. You may
> >> want
> >> > > to
> >> > > >>>>> use
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> linters,
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> sonar, etc.
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> QU20 - This is only achievable if you've had a
> >>security
> >> > > >>>>> vulnerability
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> reported. If you haven't had one reported, there's no
> >> way
> >> > to
> >> > > >>>>> confirm
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> this.
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> QU50 - I see that MNEMONIC-203/217 have been open for
> >> > around
> >> > > 6
> >> > > >>>>> months.
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> CO10 - Github shows two pull requests open without any
> >> > > >>>>> commentary or
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> questions from the project's committers. Why is that?
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> Regards,
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> John
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 3:00 PM Gang(Gary) Wang <
> >> > > >>>>> garyw@apache.org>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > wrote:
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> > Hi John, Our Mentors and PPMCs
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> > We have prepared Apache Maturity checklist for your
> >> > > >>>>> evaluation,
> >> > > >>>>> >> please
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> > guide us to graduate our project, thanks.
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> > All comments and suggestions are welcome!
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> > Cheers!
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> > Gary
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> > On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 1:31 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <
> >> > > >>>>> garyw@apache.org>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> wrote:
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >> Hi John
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >> Fixed it, Thank you for reminding me
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >> Very truly yours
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >> Gary
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 12:39 PM, John D. Ament <
> >> > > >>>>> >> > johndament@apache.org
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >> wrote:
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>> Please take a look at
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>> https://dist.apache.org/repos/
> >> > > dist/dev/incubator/mnemonic/
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 1:55 PM Gang(Gary) Wang <
> >> > > >>>>> garyw@apache.org
> >> > > >>>>> >> >
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>> wrote:
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>> Hi John
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>> This issue has been fixed please refresh your
> >> browser
> >> > > and
> >> > > >>>>> then
> >> > > >>>>> >> > review
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>> it, Thanks!
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>> Very truly yours
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>> Gary
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 10:33 AM, Gang(Gary)
> >>Wang <
> >> > > >>>>> >> > garyw@apache.org>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>> wrote:
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>> Hi John
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>> I didn't realize that and thank you very much
> >>for
> >> > > >>>>> pointing it
> >> > > >>>>> >> out,
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> we
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>> will correct this according to your guidance.
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>> Thanks!
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>> Very truly yours
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>> Gary
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 4:54 AM, John D. Ament <
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> johndament@apache.org>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>> wrote:
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> Thanks, but you're still out of compliance.
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> - You're linking directly to your un-mirrored
> >> > > >>>>> artifacts, but
> >> > > >>>>> >> you
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> should be linking to your mirrored artifacts.
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> - You have not cleaned up your old releases,
> >>your
> >> > old
> >> > > >>>>> releases
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> should
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> be archived.
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> Now here's the catch - we require mirroring
> >>but I
> >> > > can't
> >> > > >>>>> find
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> anything
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> saying what the mirroring URL is. The format
> >>is
> >> > going
> >> > > >>>>> to be
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> http://apache.org/dyn/closer.
> >> cgi/incubator/mnemonic
> >> > > >>>>> and you'll
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> want
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> to grab your specific version from there.
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> John
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 9:31 PM Gang(Gary)
> >>Wang <
> >> > > >>>>> >> > garyw@apache.org>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> wrote:
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> Hi John,
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> The Download menu item has been added to the
> >> > > navigator
> >> > > >>>>> in home
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> page,
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> Please refresh your browser to review it,
> >>Thank
> >> you
> >> > > >>>>> very much
> >> > > >>>>> >> > for
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> the
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> suggestion.
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> Very truly yours
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> Gary
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 6:04 PM, Gang(Gary)
> >>Wang
> >> <
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> garyw@apache.org>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> Hi John,
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> You can download all versions of the package
> >> from
> >> > > >>>>> Apache
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> distribution site that is linked from the
> >> > following
> >> > > >>>>> web page
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/
> >> > > incubator-mnemonic/releases
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> Also, we can download them from Apache
> >>Mirrored
> >> > > >>>>> Github page
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/
> >> > > incubator-mnemonic/releases
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> We could add another menu item on top of home
> >> page
> >> > > >>>>> dedicated
> >> > > >>>>> >> > for
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> downloading the latest one.
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> Thanks!
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> Very truly yours
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> Gary
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 5:40 PM, John D.
> >>Ament <
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> johndament@apache.org> wrote:
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>> I'm looking at your website. How do I
> >>download
> >> > > >>>>> Mnemonic?
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>> John
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 4:37 PM Gary Wong <
> >> > > >>>>> >> qichfan@gmail.com>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Uma
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Yes, We are going to send out this
> >>checklist
> >> for
> >> > > >>>>> PPMC
> >> > > >>>>> >> review,
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Thank you very much for the guidance.
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Very truly yours
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Gary
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 1:23 PM,
> >>Gangumalla,
> >> > Uma <
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> uma.gangumalla@intel.com> wrote:
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> IMO, Mnemonic project doing good and ready
> >> for
> >> > > >>>>> graduation.
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> What is the mentors call on this?
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> I remember many other projects do Maturity
> >> > model
> >> > > >>>>> checklist
> >> > > >>>>> >> > to
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> check where
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> we are? Gary/John do you mind ready that
> >> sheet,
> >> > > so
> >> > > >>>>> that
> >> > > >>>>> >> will
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> help to
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> assess better?
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Uma
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> On 8/16/17, 12:46 PM, "Johnu George" <
> >> > > >>>>> johnu@apache.org>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> wrote:
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >It seems that we are ready to be a top
> >>level
> >> > > >>>>> project .
> >> > > >>>>> >> We
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> have
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> a stable
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >release and we work well as a apache
> >> community
> >> > > >>>>> under the
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> guidance of our
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >mentors. Any thoughts?
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 12:00 PM,
> >>Gang(Gary)
> >> > > Wang <
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> garyw@apache.org> wrote:
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Dear John and Patrick,
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Thank you for the guidance, we have
> >> > completed
> >> > > >>>>> the
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> construction of
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>Mnemonic
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Website recently according to your
> >> feedback,
> >> > > >>>>> this
> >> > > >>>>> >> Apache
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> server hosted
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> website will be kept up to date and
> >> > maintained
> >> > > >>>>> by
> >> > > >>>>> >> > dedicated
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> community
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> members. we also have redirected the
> >> > visitors
> >> > > >>>>> from
> >> > > >>>>> >> > Github
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> to
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> our Apache
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> server hosted website by providing a
> >> forward
> >> > > >>>>> link in
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> project
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> README.md
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> file. Please review it as follows.
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Note: the browser cache may cause
> >> unexpected
> >> > > >>>>> view of
> >> > > >>>>> >> this
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> website,
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>please
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> clear browser cache or visit it in
> >> incognito
> >> > > >>>>> mode.
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Very truly yours.
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Gary
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 6:04 PM, John
> >>D.
> >> > > Ament <
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> johndament@apache.org>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> wrote:
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > Hi patrick,
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > I recently raised an issue with the
> >> > website
> >> > > >>>>> to the
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> team. I
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> personally
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > would like to see that fixed before a
> >> > > >>>>> graduation.
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Specifically saying
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> that
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > you need to learn it from github.
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > John
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:15 PM
> >>Patrick
> >> > > Hunt <
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> phunt@apache.org> wrote:
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > Given the recent work to bring on
> >> > > >>>>> additional RMs
> >> > > >>>>> >> (and
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> increase
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> community
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > involvement in general) and clearly
> >> > > document
> >> > > >>>>> >> release
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> procedures I
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>feel
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > that
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > my previous concerns have been
> >>largely
> >> > > >>>>> addressed.
> >> > > >>>>> >> If
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> there is
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>interest
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> in
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > the community I would now be in
> >>favor,
> >> > but
> >> > > >>>>> up to
> >> > > >>>>> >> you
> >> > > >>>>> >> > -
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> do
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> you feel
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> you're
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > ready to graduate at this point?
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > Regards,
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > Patrick
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 3:30 PM,
> >> > Debojyoti
> >> > > >>>>> Dutta <
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> ddutta@apache.org>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > wrote:
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> On the diversity issue, we are
> >>trying
> >> > to
> >> > > >>>>> solve
> >> > > >>>>> >> that
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> with
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> new
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> committers
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> from different organizations. We
> >>have
> >> > had
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> contributions
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> from other
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> companies like Cisco recently.
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> This space is about to heat up
> >>soon
> >> and
> >> > > we
> >> > > >>>>> will
> >> > > >>>>> >> see
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> more
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>committers.
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> cheers
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> debo
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 8:18 AM,
> >> Patrick
> >> > > >>>>> Hunt <
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> phunt@apache.org>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> wrote:
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > I've mentored a number of
> >>podlings
> >> > over
> >> > > >>>>> the
> >> > > >>>>> >> years
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> and
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> this one if
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> very
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> well
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > run and is on a good
> >>trajectory. As
> >> > > >>>>> noted my
> >> > > >>>>> >> main
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> concern is
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>about
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > diversity - in particular
> >> > > >>>>> "self-sustaining and
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> self-governing
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> communities".
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/gu
> >> > > >>>>> ides/graduation.html#
> >> > > >>>>> >> > community
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > That's pretty clear and concise
> >> > > >>>>> statements from
> >> > > >>>>> >> > the
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Apache
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>community
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > as
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> a
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > whole as to what it takes. The
> >> > podling
> >> > > is
> >> > > >>>>> >> > following
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> "the apache
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>way"
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> quite
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > well, so it's really the
> >>sustaining
> >> > > part
> >> > > >>>>> for me.
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Ensuring that
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> community is
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > being built and the community
> >>as a
> >> > > whole
> >> > > >>>>> is
> >> > > >>>>> >> owning
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> the
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> process.
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > Hope this helps, regards,
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > Patrick
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 2:24 PM,
> >> > Andrew
> >> > > >>>>> Purtell
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >><apurtell@apache.org
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > wrote:
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > For me the best test if a
> >>podling
> >> > is
> >> > > >>>>> ready for
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> graduation is
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>they
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> do
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> it
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > (mostly) for themselves. So,
> >> > > Mnemonic,
> >> > > >>>>> I'd
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> encourage
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> you to
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>search
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > through
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > the incubator mailing list
> >> archives
> >> > > for
> >> > > >>>>> >> examples
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> of
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> other
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>podlings
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > running
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > a graduation vote and
> >>submitting
> >> > the
> >> > > >>>>> result to
> >> > > >>>>> >> > the
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> IPMC. Then,
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>do
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > it.
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > I'm glad to see the recent
> >>move
> >> to
> >> > > >>>>> bring in
> >> > > >>>>> >> more
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> RMs
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> in
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>response
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> to
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> the
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > earlier feedback, now that
> >> everyone
> >> > > is
> >> > > >>>>> aware
> >> > > >>>>> >> of
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> it.
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, I
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> didn't
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> think
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > that the incubator report
> >>might
> >> not
> >> > > be
> >> > > >>>>> read
> >> > > >>>>> >> > back.
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 5:42
> >>PM,
> >> > John
> >> > > >>>>> D. Ament
> >> > > >>>>> >> <
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > johndament@apache.org>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > wrote:
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> Patrick,
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> I read it. I'm curious, did
> >>you
> >> > or
> >> > > >>>>> Andrew
> >> > > >>>>> >> > share
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> your feedback
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> with
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> Mnemonic directly? I've
> >>noticed
> >> > > that
> >> > > >>>>> >> podlings
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> sometimes don't
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> see
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> the
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> input, and don't receive
> >> responses
> >> > > >>>>> the way
> >> > > >>>>> >> TLPs
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> do.
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> For the podling's
> >>information,
> >> we
> >> > do
> >> > > >>>>> also
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> maintain
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> a whimsy
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>page
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> of
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> all
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> approved board reports per
> >> > project,
> >> > > >>>>> Mnemonic
> >> > > >>>>> >> > can
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> see that
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > information
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> here:
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> https://whimsy.apache.org/
> >> > > >>>>> >> > board/minutes/Mnemonic
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> When I see a podling
> >>receiving 5
> >> > > +1's
> >> > > >>>>> on a
> >> > > >>>>> >> dev
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> list
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> release
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>vote,
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > that's a
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> great sign.
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> There probably is room for
> >>more
> >> on
> >> > > >>>>> list
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> discussion,
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> and yes
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>the
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > committer
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> diversity isn't 100% there (I
> >> > would
> >> > > be
> >> > > >>>>> >> curious
> >> > > >>>>> >> > to
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> see company
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> affiliations).
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> I'll also point out that I
> >> > sometimes
> >> > > >>>>> ask
> >> > > >>>>> >> these
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> questions to
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > podlings
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> to
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> get
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> them to start thinking about
> >> > > >>>>> graduation, not
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> actually moving
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > forward
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> yet
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> due to $reasons.
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 2:58
> >>PM
> >> > > >>>>> Patrick Hunt <
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> phunt@apache.org>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> wrote:
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > Hi John, did you read my
> >> > feedback
> >> > > >>>>> on the
> >> > > >>>>> >> most
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> recent podling
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> report?
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > Do
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > you disagree? I don't
> >>believe
> >> > this
> >> > > >>>>> has
> >> > > >>>>> >> > changed
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>significantly in
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > the
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > past
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > month/two. For example all
> >> > > releases
> >> > > >>>>> have
> >> > > >>>>> >> been
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> done by a
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>single
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> person.
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > https://wiki.apache.org/
> >> > > >>>>> >> incubator/March2017
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > As I've mentioned
> >>previously
> >> my
> >> > > only
> >> > > >>>>> >> concerns
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> at
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> this point
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>are
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> around
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > diversity.
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > Patrick
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at
> >>11:07
> >> AM,
> >> > > >>>>> Gang(Gary)
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> Wang <
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > garyw@apache.org
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> wrote:
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> Hi John and PPMCs
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> As John advised, our
> >> community
> >> > > and
> >> > > >>>>> project
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> mnemonic might
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>be
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> ready to
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> get
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> graduated, I'd like to
> >>start
> >> > the
> >> > > >>>>> following
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> votes
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> according
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>to
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > the
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> processes
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> of
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/
> >> > > guides/graduation.html
> >> > > >>>>> with
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> your
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> mentoring
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> and guidance if no
> >>objection
> >> > > today
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> - Community graduation
> >> vote
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> - IPMC recommendation
> >>vote
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> Mnemonic Project
> >>Incubation
> >> > > Status
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/
> >> > > projects/mnemonic.html
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> Very truly yours
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> +Gary
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at
> >>11:26
> >> > PM,
> >> > > >>>>> >> Gang(Gary)
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> Wang
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> <
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> garyw@apache.org>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> wrote:
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Hi John
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Thank you for starting
> >>this
> >> > > >>>>> discussion.
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Yes, our community is
> >> growing
> >> > > and
> >> > > >>>>> >> continue
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> to
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> attract
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>more
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> people
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > to
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> join
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > our community. Some
> >> industry
> >> > > >>>>> users are
> >> > > >>>>> >> > aware
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> of mnemonic
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>and
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > already
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> get
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > interested as i known.
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Mnemonic is able to
> >>deliver
> >> > > >>>>> unique
> >> > > >>>>> >> values
> >> > > >>>>> >> > to
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> their
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>business
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > so I
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> think
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > that it is very
> >>important
> >> for
> >> > > us
> >> > > >>>>> to get
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> mnemonic
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>graduated
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> in
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> time
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > if
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > qualified.
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > My 2 cents, looks
> >>nothing
> >> > left
> >> > > >>>>> for us to
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> graduate
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>Mnemonic,
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > I'm
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > also
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > looking forward to
> >>propose
> >> > our
> >> > > >>>>> project
> >> > > >>>>> >> as
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Apache TLP.
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Thanks!
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Very truly yours
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Gary
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > On Tuesday, May 2, 2017,
> >> John
> >> > > D.
> >> > > >>>>> Ament <
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> johndament@apache.org
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> wrote:
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > Hi Mnemonic PPMC,
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > After looking at your
> >> > recent
> >> > > >>>>> release,
> >> > > >>>>> >> > your
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> current
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>growth
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > and
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > well
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > functioning PPMC, was
> >> > wondering
> >> > > >>>>> what was
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> left
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> for you
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>guys
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> to
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> graduate?
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > John
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > --
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > Best regards,
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > - Andy
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > If you are given a choice, you
> >> > > believe
> >> > > >>>>> you
> >> > > >>>>> >> have
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> acted freely. -
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> Raymond
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > Teller (via Peter Watts)
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >>
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >
> >> > > >>>>> >> > >
> >> > > >>>>> >> >
> >> > > >>>>> >>
> >> > > >>>>>
> >> > > >>>>
> >> > > >>>>
> >> > > >>>
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
>
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation?
Posted by "Gangumalla, Uma" <um...@intel.com>.
Hi Gary,
https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/ppmc/mnemonic has draft resolution
option.
Need to choose a chair. I propose you(Gary Wong) as Chair for Apache
Mnemonic project if no other objections. (Do we need vote for this)
Also it says, resolution can be reviewed in private list.
From that whimsy.apache.org/roster
Below things needs to be corrected.
1.
Licensing
* No Software Grant and No IP Clearance Filed
* No Release Yet/Missing ASF Copyright Headers on Source Code
* No Release Yet/Binary has licensing issues
2. PPMC/Committers in this project are not listed there
3. Prior board report is not linked to June month report.
Regards,
Uma
On 9/7/17, 11:16 AM, "Gary Wong" <qi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Got it, Thanks for the guidance, We are going to start the official vote.
>we have also prepared a draft of Graduation resolution for your review,
>Thanks!
>
>https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MNEMONIC/Graduation+Resolution
>
>On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 11:07 AM, Henry Saputra <he...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>> To do official VOTE thread we need to have proposed board resolution for
>> the TLP.
>>
>> - Henry
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 9:45 PM, Gary Wong <qi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Hi Patrick and Mentors
>> >
>> > Thank you for the input and guidance.
>> >
>> > I have visited the following page that you mentioned, it looks there
>>are
>> > some broken links.
>> > https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#
>> graduation_check_list
>> >
>> > I paste two key sections here as a checklist for verification
>> >
>> > -
>> >
>> > Preparations
>> > -
>> >
>> > Complete (and sign off) tasks documented in the status file
>> >
>><https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#notes-status>
>> > Yes, it is up-to-date
>> > -
>> >
>> > Ensure suitable names
>> >
>><https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#notes-names>
>> > for
>> > project name and product names
>> > Approved,
>>https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-
>> 95
>> > -
>> >
>> > Demonstrate ability to create Apache releases
>> > <https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#releases>
>> > Release 8 versions and another one is WIP, involved 3 release
>> > managers
>> > -
>> >
>> > Demonstrate community readiness
>> > <https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#community>
>> > Our contributors come from different companies and show the
>> diversity
>> > and working on different components, all changes have been
>>reviewed
>> > and
>> > trackable. we have an open, positive and inclusive atmosphere
>>for
>> the
>> > discussion
>> > -
>> >
>> > Ensure Mentors
>> > <https://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Roles_and_
>> > Responsibilities.html#Mentor>
>> > and IPMC
>> > <https://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Roles_and_
>> >
>>Responsibilities.html#Incubator+Project+Management+Committee+%28PMC%29>
>> > have no remaining issues
>> >
>><https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#notes-issues>
>> > We have taken actions on issues from the discussion of
>>graduation
>> and
>> > fulfilled the Apache maturity assessment
>> >
>> >
>>https://docs.google.com/document/d/10LKTjPMceV4s4MrSRIA9L8pg7jLFp
>> > -ec-TmW96mZbXM/edit?usp=sharing
>> > -
>> >
>> > Decide upon destination
>> > <https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#
>> > subproject-or-top-level>
>> > Would be Top-Level Project
>> > -
>> >
>> > Prepare a resolution
>> >
>><https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#tlp-resolution>
>> > *(top
>> > level candidates only)*.
>> > We will prepare our resolution according to
>> >
>> > https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#
>> > submission_of_the_resolution_to_the_board
>> > template
>> >
>> > https://svn.apache.org/repos/private/committers/board/
>> > templates/podling-tlp-resolution.txt
>> > and some samples
>> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CRUNCH/
>> > Graduation+Resolution
>> >
>> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FINERACT/
>> > Graduation+Resolution
>> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DATAFU/
>> > Graduation+Resolution
>> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MADLIB/
>> > Graduation+Resolution
>> > The resolution should be proposed on the general incubator list
>> > <ge...@incubator.apache.org> before a *VOTE
>> > <http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html>* is started to allow
>> > feedback
>> > -
>> >
>> > Subproject acceptance *VOTE*
>> > <https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#
>> > subproject-acceptance>
>> > by destination Project *(*subproject* candidates only)*
>> > NA
>> > -
>> >
>> > Incubator PMC (IPMC)
>> > <https://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Roles_and_
>> >
>>Responsibilities.html#Incubator+Project+Management+Committee+%28PMC%29>
>> > :
>> > -
>> >
>> > For top level candidates, this is a recommendation *VOTE*
>> > <https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#ipmc-
>> > top-level-recommendation>
>> > See below.
>> >
>> > -
>> >
>> > For subproject candidates, this is a graduation approval *VOTE*
>> > <https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#
>> > subproject-graduation>
>> > NA
>> > -
>> >
>> > Final hand-over
>> > <https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#notes-
>> on-hand-over
>> > >
>> > -
>> >
>> > Consider post graduation tasks
>> > <https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#
>> > project-first-steps>
>> >
>> >
>> > Graduation to a top level project requires:
>> >
>> > -
>> >
>> > a charter for your project
>> > https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#
>> preparing_a_charter
>> > -
>> >
>> > a positive community graduation VOTE
>> > <http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html>
>> >
>> > https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#
>> > community_graduation_vote
>> > -
>> >
>> > a positive IPMC recommendation VOTE
>> > <http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html>
>> > I have not found a template for this vote, but we can refer to
>>other
>> > project's vote.
>> > Samples
>> >
>> > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-
>> > general/201709.mbox/%3CCAOqetn_+Oub4Gtr4=hOv=
>> > cLeMYB0i=XeeWkoxiBPg1v+CWALyw@mail.gmail.com%3E
>> > -
>> >
>> > the acceptance of the resolution
>> >
>><https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#tlp-resolution>
>> by
>> > the Board
>> >
>> >
>> > so our next step would be to prepare a resolution, please help to
>>verify
>> it
>> > and guide us to complete those steps for graduation, Thanks!
>> >
>> > Very truly yours
>> > Gary.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 6:36 PM, Patrick Hunt <ph...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > > ps.
>> > >
>> > > > 3) Many contributed have voted +1s for this graduation
>> > >
>> > > keep in mind that this is the discussion thread and not a vote. Note
>> (see
>> > > the link to grad doc I just provided) that you need to do a couple
>> things
>> > > before the vote.
>> > >
>> > > Patrick
>> > >
>> > > On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 6:34 PM, Patrick Hunt <ph...@apache.org>
>>wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > I reviewed the status page earlier today and it looks up to date
>>to
>> me.
>> > > > http://incubator.apache.org/projects/mnemonic.html
>> > > >
>> > > > Similarly the "preparation" steps have been followed afaict:
>> > > > https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#
>> > > graduation_check_list
>> > > > namesearch
>><https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-
>> 95
>> > >
>> > > > etc... signed off a while ago
>> > > >
>> > > > Patrick
>> > > >
>> > > > On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 4:54 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org>
>> > > wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > >> Let me summarize the discussion on graduation, Please refer to
>>this
>> > > email
>> > > >> thread for details.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> 1) We have completed the website of Mnemonic that is required
>>before
>> > > >> graduation
>> > > >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/
>> > > >>
>> > > >> 2) We have filled the Apache project maturity assessment for
>> Mnemonic
>> > > and
>> > > >> fixed all gaps that would be helpful for graduation
>> > > >> https://docs.google.com/document/d/10LKTjPMceV4s4MrSRIA9L8pg
>> > > >> 7jLFp-ec-TmW96mZbXM/edit?usp=sharing
>> > > >>
>> > > >> 3) Many contributed have voted +1s for this graduation
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Please add yours if any before we are starting graduation votes,
>> > Thanks!
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Cheers
>> > > >> Gary
>> > > >>
>> > > >>
>> > > >>
>> > > >> On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 9:51 AM, Gang(Gary) Wang
>><ga...@apache.org>
>> > > wrote:
>> > > >>
>> > > >>> Hi John, Mentors and PPMCs
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> Looks no new issues crop up for a few days, and many
>>contributors
>> are
>> > > >>> positive and voted +1s for graduation, no negative from our
>> > community,
>> > > so I
>> > > >>> think this discussion could be settled down today and proceed to
>> > > collect
>> > > >>> votes from our community and IPMCs for graduation, please guide
>>us
>> if
>> > > any
>> > > >>> missing, misunderstanding and suggestion, Thanks!
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> Very truly yours
>> > > >>> Gary
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 12:18 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <
>> garyw@apache.org>
>> > > >>> wrote:
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>>> Hi John, Mentors and PPMCs
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>> Looks we have resolved all the issues that you have pointed out
>> for
>> > > >>>> graduation, meanwhile, there are more contributors +1 for our
>> > > project's
>> > > >>>> graduation so, could we start the community graduation vote and
>> IPMC
>> > > >>>> graduation vote according to the following chart extracted from
>> > > >>>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#community ?
>> > > Thanks!
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>> [image: Inline image 1]
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>> Very truly yours
>> > > >>>> Gary
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>> On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 11:22 PM, Wen Tong <pu...@gmail.com>
>> > > wrote:
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>>> +1 support for graduation.
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 5:35 AM, Wei HE <he...@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> > > >>>>> > +1 support for graduation.
>> > > >>>>> >
>> > > >>>>> > Wei HE
>> > > >>>>> >
>> > > >>>>> > On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 4:40 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <
>> > garyw@apache.org
>> > > >
>> > > >>>>> wrote:
>> > > >>>>> >
>> > > >>>>> >> Yes, I also totally agree this and we will try our best for
>> the
>> > > >>>>> readiness
>> > > >>>>> >> for the graduation.
>> > > >>>>> >>
>> > > >>>>> >> For the suggestion that John advised, we have prepared the
>> > > following
>> > > >>>>> >> comments for your review, Thanks!
>> > > >>>>> >>
>> > > >>>>> >> *CD20 - You have a link in your header called GITHUB that
>> > brought
>> > > >>>>> me to
>> > > >>>>> >> your source code. Other projects use hacking guides.
>>Unless
>> > > >>>>> you're on
>> > > >>>>> >> gitbox, the git primary repo should be the ASF hosted
>>repos.*
>> > > >>>>> >>
>> > > >>>>> >> The github link has been removed from CD20 and using
>> > > >>>>> >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/develop/ as the link
>>of
>> > > >>>>> website. we
>> > > >>>>> >> also create ticket MNEMONIC-355 (resolved) to remove Github
>> link
>> > > >>>>> from
>> > > >>>>> >> navigator menu on website.
>> > > >>>>> >>
>> > > >>>>> >> *CD30 - The usage of docker is in of itself a violation of
>> this
>> > > >>>>> item, from
>> > > >>>>> >> my point of view. In your case, you're pointing to
>> > > "centos:latest"
>> > > >>>>> which
>> > > >>>>> >> today is C7.2, but in a few months will be C7.3.*
>> > > >>>>> >>
>> > > >>>>> >> Yes, we will fix it through Apache Jira
>>MNEMONIC-353(reviewed)
>> > and
>> > > >>>>> >> MNEMONIC-356(WIP)
>> > > >>>>> >>
>> > > >>>>> >> *CD50 - I can't tell if the pull requests to your repo are
>> from
>> > > >>>>> committers
>> > > >>>>> >> or from contributors. If I take
>> > > >>>>> >> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/pull/60
>> > > >>>>> >> <https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/pull/60> as
>>an
>> > > >>>>> example, the
>> > > >>>>> >> commit message says nothing about provenance of the source
>> > code.*
>> > > >>>>> >>
>> > > >>>>> >> We have requested to revoke all stalled PRs, and all commit
>> > > >>>>> messages must
>> > > >>>>> >> contain Apache JIRA number and title.
>> > > >>>>> >>
>> > > >>>>> >> *LC50 - You mention in your response why this is incorrect
>> (the
>> > > use
>> > > >>>>> of
>> > > >>>>> >> *most*)*
>> > > >>>>> >>
>> > > >>>>> >> Yes we will correct it with "The files in the project
>>source
>> > > >>>>> repository
>> > > >>>>> >> have appropriate headers", The files under target/ that
>> > generated
>> > > >>>>> by mvn
>> > > >>>>> >> building process would be excluded and all other project
>>files
>> > > have
>> > > >>>>> been
>> > > >>>>> >> properly licensed and guarded by RAT plugin.
>> > > >>>>> >>
>> > > >>>>> >> *RE10 - You link to http://mnemonic.incubator.
>> apache.org/news/
>> > > >>>>> >> <http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/news/> but that
>>doesn't
>> > > >>>>> include any
>> > > >>>>> >> download links. http://mnemonic.incubator.
>> > apache.org/downloads/
>> > > >>>>> >> <http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/downloads/> does
>> include
>> > > >>>>> download
>> > > >>>>> >> links to the proper release mirrors.*
>> > > >>>>> >>
>> > > >>>>> >> That has been corrected by replacing it with the link
>> > > >>>>> >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/downloads/
>> > > >>>>> >>
>> > > >>>>> >> *RE20 - You mention non-PMC members in the vote (PPMC).*
>> > > >>>>> >>
>> > > >>>>> >> Yes, we started with the community vote for releasing and
>>the
>> > > result
>> > > >>>>> >> explicitly shows binding and non-binding votes.
>> > > >>>>> >>
>> > > >>>>> >> *RE30 - Again, not using mirror.*
>> > > >>>>> >>
>> > > >>>>> >> Looks no mirror link in this field.
>> > > >>>>> >>
>> > > >>>>> >> *RE40 - Correct answer would be "NO. We do not distribute
>> binary
>> > > >>>>> >> releases."*
>> > > >>>>> >>
>> > > >>>>> >> Yes it is and corrected
>> > > >>>>> >>
>> > > >>>>> >> *RE50 - Your release process neglects deleting old
>>artifacts.*
>> > > >>>>> >>
>> > > >>>>> >> Sorry I forgot it and corrected it by the Apache Jira
>>ticket
>> > > >>>>> MNEMONIC-357
>> > > >>>>> >> (resolved) as well as MNEMONIC-358 (resolved)
>> > > >>>>> >>
>> > > >>>>> >> *QU10 - Code quality is more than bug reports. You may
>>want
>> to
>> > > use
>> > > >>>>> >> linters, sonar, etc.*
>> > > >>>>> >>
>> > > >>>>> >> Yes, we will investigate this plugin and apply them to
>>project
>> > > >>>>> later, as
>> > > >>>>> >> for now, the QU10 has been replaced with "YES. The project
>> > records
>> > > >>>>> all bugs
>> > > >>>>> >> in the Apache¹s JIRA issue tracker. Developer also uses
>> Eclipse
>> > or
>> > > >>>>> Intellij
>> > > >>>>> >> IDEA to improve their code quality."
>> > > >>>>> >>
>> > > >>>>> >> *QU20 - This is only achievable if you've had a security
>> > > >>>>> vulnerability
>> > > >>>>> >> reported. If you haven't had one reported, there's no way
>>to
>> > > >>>>> confirm
>> > > >>>>> >> this.*
>> > > >>>>> >>
>> > > >>>>> >> The QU20 has been replaced with "YES. Security issues
>>would be
>> > > >>>>> treated with
>> > > >>>>> >> the highest priority, computing service and memory service
>>are
>> > > >>>>> separated
>> > > >>>>> >> from other modules and defined by interfaces, so security
>> > concerns
>> > > >>>>> could be
>> > > >>>>> >> largely mitigated by introduced this design at first
>>place.",
>> > that
>> > > >>>>> this
>> > > >>>>> >> emphasize we consider the security aspect from design
>> viewpoint
>> > as
>> > > >>>>> well.
>> > > >>>>> >>
>> > > >>>>> >> *QU50 - I see that MNEMONIC-203/217 have been open for
>>around
>> 6
>> > > >>>>> months.*
>> > > >>>>> >>
>> > > >>>>> >> We have asked owners to properly handle those tickets
>> > > >>>>> >>
>> > > >>>>> >> *CO10 - Github shows two pull requests open without any
>> > commentary
>> > > >>>>> or
>> > > >>>>> >> questions from the project's committers. Why is that?*
>> > > >>>>> >>
>> > > >>>>> >> They are stalled PRs, we have asked the owner to properly
>> revoke
>> > > >>>>> them.
>> > > >>>>> >>
>> > > >>>>> >> *The full checklist as follows for you to add comments*
>> > > >>>>> >> https://docs.google.com/document/d/
>> > 10LKTjPMceV4s4MrSRIA9L8pg7jLFp
>> > > >>>>> >> -ec-TmW96mZbXM/edit?usp=sharing
>> > > >>>>> >>
>> > > >>>>> >> Very truly yours
>> > > >>>>> >> Gary
>> > > >>>>> >>
>> > > >>>>> >>
>> > > >>>>> >>
>> > > >>>>> >>
>> > > >>>>> >>
>> > > >>>>> >> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 2:25 PM, John D. Ament <
>> > > >>>>> johndament@apache.org>
>> > > >>>>> >> wrote:
>> > > >>>>> >>
>> > > >>>>> >> > Huge +1 to that.
>> > > >>>>> >> >
>> > > >>>>> >> > On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 5:18 PM Henry Saputra <
>> > > >>>>> henry.saputra@gmail.com>
>> > > >>>>> >> > wrote:
>> > > >>>>> >> >
>> > > >>>>> >> > > The "checklist" suppose to just provide guide for
>> readiness
>> > > our
>> > > >>>>> >> > > graduation. It was NOT mandatory checklist.
>> > > >>>>> >> > >
>> > > >>>>> >> > > This should be used primarily for self check to make
>>sure
>> we
>> > > >>>>> are ready
>> > > >>>>> >> > for
>> > > >>>>> >> > > graduation.
>> > > >>>>> >> > >
>> > > >>>>> >> > >
>> > > >>>>> >> > > - Henry
>> > > >>>>> >> > >
>> > > >>>>> >> > > On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 7:50 PM, John D. Ament <
>> > > >>>>> johndament@apache.org>
>> > > >>>>> >> > > wrote:
>> > > >>>>> >> > >
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> Hello,
>> > > >>>>> >> > >>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> So first, I'll say its always great to see a podling
>>aim
>> to
>> > > >>>>> graduate.
>> > > >>>>> >> > Its
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> not up to me to measure whether the podling has been
>> > > >>>>> successful or
>> > > >>>>> >> not,
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> but
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> instead the IPMC as a whole. I can give you some
>> feedback
>> > on
>> > > >>>>> the APMM
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> assessment, but I'll point out that I'm not a fan of
>>this
>> > > form
>> > > >>>>> and
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> completing this form is not a requirement for
>>graduation.
>> > > >>>>> >> > >>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> So please, when reviewing the below list, understand
>>that
>> > > >>>>> completing
>> > > >>>>> >> > this
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> is not a requirement for graduation. Even then,
>>podlings
>> > who
>> > > >>>>> think
>> > > >>>>> >> they
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> pass it may be missing things.
>> > > >>>>> >> > >>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> CD20 - You have a link in your header called GITHUB
>>that
>> > > >>>>> brought me to
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> your
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> source code. Other projects use hacking guides.
>>Unless
>> > > >>>>> you're on
>> > > >>>>> >> > gitbox,
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> the git primary repo should be the ASF hosted repos.
>> > > >>>>> >> > >>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> CD30 - The usage of docker is in of itself a
>>violation of
>> > > this
>> > > >>>>> item,
>> > > >>>>> >> > from
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> my point of view. In your case, you're pointing to
>> > > >>>>> "centos:latest"
>> > > >>>>> >> > which
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> today is C7.2, but in a few months will be C7.3.
>> > > >>>>> >> > >>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> CD50 - I can't tell if the pull requests to your repo
>>are
>> > > from
>> > > >>>>> >> > committers
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> or from contributors. If I take
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/pull/60
>>as
>> an
>> > > >>>>> example,
>> > > >>>>> >> the
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> commit message says nothing about provenance of the
>> source
>> > > >>>>> code.
>> > > >>>>> >> > >>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> LC50 - You mention in your response why this is
>>incorrect
>> > > (the
>> > > >>>>> use of
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> *most*)
>> > > >>>>> >> > >>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> RE10 - You link to http://mnemonic.incubator.
>> > > apache.org/news/
>> > > >>>>> but
>> > > >>>>> >> that
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> doesn't include any download links.
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/downloads/ does
>> > include
>> > > >>>>> download
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> links
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> to the proper release mirrors.
>> > > >>>>> >> > >>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> RE20 - You mention non-PMC members in the vote (PPMC).
>> > > >>>>> >> > >>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> RE30 - Again, not using mirror.
>> > > >>>>> >> > >>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> RE40 - Correct answer would be "NO. We do not
>>distribute
>> > > binary
>> > > >>>>> >> > releases."
>> > > >>>>> >> > >>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> RE50 - Your release process neglects deleting old
>> > artifacts.
>> > > >>>>> >> > >>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> QU10 - Code quality is more than bug reports. You may
>> want
>> > > to
>> > > >>>>> use
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> linters,
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> sonar, etc.
>> > > >>>>> >> > >>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> QU20 - This is only achievable if you've had a
>>security
>> > > >>>>> vulnerability
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> reported. If you haven't had one reported, there's no
>> way
>> > to
>> > > >>>>> confirm
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> this.
>> > > >>>>> >> > >>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> QU50 - I see that MNEMONIC-203/217 have been open for
>> > around
>> > > 6
>> > > >>>>> months.
>> > > >>>>> >> > >>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> CO10 - Github shows two pull requests open without any
>> > > >>>>> commentary or
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> questions from the project's committers. Why is that?
>> > > >>>>> >> > >>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> Regards,
>> > > >>>>> >> > >>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> John
>> > > >>>>> >> > >>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 3:00 PM Gang(Gary) Wang <
>> > > >>>>> garyw@apache.org>
>> > > >>>>> >> > wrote:
>> > > >>>>> >> > >>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> > Hi John, Our Mentors and PPMCs
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> > We have prepared Apache Maturity checklist for your
>> > > >>>>> evaluation,
>> > > >>>>> >> please
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> > guide us to graduate our project, thanks.
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> > All comments and suggestions are welcome!
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> > Cheers!
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> > Gary
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> > On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 1:31 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <
>> > > >>>>> garyw@apache.org>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> wrote:
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >> Hi John
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >> Fixed it, Thank you for reminding me
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >> Very truly yours
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >> Gary
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 12:39 PM, John D. Ament <
>> > > >>>>> >> > johndament@apache.org
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >> wrote:
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>> Please take a look at
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>> https://dist.apache.org/repos/
>> > > dist/dev/incubator/mnemonic/
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 1:55 PM Gang(Gary) Wang <
>> > > >>>>> garyw@apache.org
>> > > >>>>> >> >
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>> wrote:
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>> Hi John
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>> This issue has been fixed please refresh your
>> browser
>> > > and
>> > > >>>>> then
>> > > >>>>> >> > review
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>> it, Thanks!
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>> Very truly yours
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>> Gary
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 10:33 AM, Gang(Gary)
>>Wang <
>> > > >>>>> >> > garyw@apache.org>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>> wrote:
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>> Hi John
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>> I didn't realize that and thank you very much
>>for
>> > > >>>>> pointing it
>> > > >>>>> >> out,
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> we
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>> will correct this according to your guidance.
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>> Thanks!
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>> Very truly yours
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>> Gary
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 4:54 AM, John D. Ament <
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> johndament@apache.org>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>> wrote:
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> Thanks, but you're still out of compliance.
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> - You're linking directly to your un-mirrored
>> > > >>>>> artifacts, but
>> > > >>>>> >> you
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> should be linking to your mirrored artifacts.
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> - You have not cleaned up your old releases,
>>your
>> > old
>> > > >>>>> releases
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> should
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> be archived.
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> Now here's the catch - we require mirroring
>>but I
>> > > can't
>> > > >>>>> find
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> anything
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> saying what the mirroring URL is. The format
>>is
>> > going
>> > > >>>>> to be
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> http://apache.org/dyn/closer.
>> cgi/incubator/mnemonic
>> > > >>>>> and you'll
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> want
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> to grab your specific version from there.
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> John
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 9:31 PM Gang(Gary)
>>Wang <
>> > > >>>>> >> > garyw@apache.org>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> wrote:
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> Hi John,
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> The Download menu item has been added to the
>> > > navigator
>> > > >>>>> in home
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> page,
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> Please refresh your browser to review it,
>>Thank
>> you
>> > > >>>>> very much
>> > > >>>>> >> > for
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> the
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> suggestion.
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> Very truly yours
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> Gary
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 6:04 PM, Gang(Gary)
>>Wang
>> <
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> garyw@apache.org>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> wrote:
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> Hi John,
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> You can download all versions of the package
>> from
>> > > >>>>> Apache
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> distribution site that is linked from the
>> > following
>> > > >>>>> web page
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/
>> > > incubator-mnemonic/releases
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> Also, we can download them from Apache
>>Mirrored
>> > > >>>>> Github page
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/
>> > > incubator-mnemonic/releases
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> We could add another menu item on top of home
>> page
>> > > >>>>> dedicated
>> > > >>>>> >> > for
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> downloading the latest one.
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> Thanks!
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> Very truly yours
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> Gary
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 5:40 PM, John D.
>>Ament <
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> johndament@apache.org> wrote:
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>> I'm looking at your website. How do I
>>download
>> > > >>>>> Mnemonic?
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>> John
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 4:37 PM Gary Wong <
>> > > >>>>> >> qichfan@gmail.com>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Uma
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Yes, We are going to send out this
>>checklist
>> for
>> > > >>>>> PPMC
>> > > >>>>> >> review,
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Thank you very much for the guidance.
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Very truly yours
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Gary
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 1:23 PM,
>>Gangumalla,
>> > Uma <
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> uma.gangumalla@intel.com> wrote:
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> IMO, Mnemonic project doing good and ready
>> for
>> > > >>>>> graduation.
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> What is the mentors call on this?
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> I remember many other projects do Maturity
>> > model
>> > > >>>>> checklist
>> > > >>>>> >> > to
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> check where
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> we are? Gary/John do you mind ready that
>> sheet,
>> > > so
>> > > >>>>> that
>> > > >>>>> >> will
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> help to
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> assess better?
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Uma
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> On 8/16/17, 12:46 PM, "Johnu George" <
>> > > >>>>> johnu@apache.org>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> wrote:
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >It seems that we are ready to be a top
>>level
>> > > >>>>> project .
>> > > >>>>> >> We
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> have
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> a stable
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >release and we work well as a apache
>> community
>> > > >>>>> under the
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> guidance of our
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >mentors. Any thoughts?
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 12:00 PM,
>>Gang(Gary)
>> > > Wang <
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> garyw@apache.org> wrote:
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Dear John and Patrick,
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Thank you for the guidance, we have
>> > completed
>> > > >>>>> the
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> construction of
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>Mnemonic
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Website recently according to your
>> feedback,
>> > > >>>>> this
>> > > >>>>> >> Apache
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> server hosted
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> website will be kept up to date and
>> > maintained
>> > > >>>>> by
>> > > >>>>> >> > dedicated
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> community
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> members. we also have redirected the
>> > visitors
>> > > >>>>> from
>> > > >>>>> >> > Github
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> to
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> our Apache
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> server hosted website by providing a
>> forward
>> > > >>>>> link in
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> project
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> README.md
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> file. Please review it as follows.
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Note: the browser cache may cause
>> unexpected
>> > > >>>>> view of
>> > > >>>>> >> this
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> website,
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>please
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> clear browser cache or visit it in
>> incognito
>> > > >>>>> mode.
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Very truly yours.
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Gary
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 6:04 PM, John
>>D.
>> > > Ament <
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> johndament@apache.org>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> wrote:
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > Hi patrick,
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > I recently raised an issue with the
>> > website
>> > > >>>>> to the
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> team. I
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> personally
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > would like to see that fixed before a
>> > > >>>>> graduation.
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Specifically saying
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> that
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > you need to learn it from github.
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > John
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:15 PM
>>Patrick
>> > > Hunt <
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> phunt@apache.org> wrote:
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > Given the recent work to bring on
>> > > >>>>> additional RMs
>> > > >>>>> >> (and
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> increase
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> community
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > involvement in general) and clearly
>> > > document
>> > > >>>>> >> release
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> procedures I
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>feel
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > that
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > my previous concerns have been
>>largely
>> > > >>>>> addressed.
>> > > >>>>> >> If
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> there is
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>interest
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> in
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > the community I would now be in
>>favor,
>> > but
>> > > >>>>> up to
>> > > >>>>> >> you
>> > > >>>>> >> > -
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> do
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> you feel
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> you're
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > ready to graduate at this point?
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > Regards,
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > Patrick
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 3:30 PM,
>> > Debojyoti
>> > > >>>>> Dutta <
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> ddutta@apache.org>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > wrote:
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> On the diversity issue, we are
>>trying
>> > to
>> > > >>>>> solve
>> > > >>>>> >> that
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> with
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> new
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> committers
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> from different organizations. We
>>have
>> > had
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> contributions
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> from other
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> companies like Cisco recently.
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> This space is about to heat up
>>soon
>> and
>> > > we
>> > > >>>>> will
>> > > >>>>> >> see
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> more
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>committers.
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> cheers
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> debo
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 8:18 AM,
>> Patrick
>> > > >>>>> Hunt <
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> phunt@apache.org>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> wrote:
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > I've mentored a number of
>>podlings
>> > over
>> > > >>>>> the
>> > > >>>>> >> years
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> and
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> this one if
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> very
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> well
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > run and is on a good
>>trajectory. As
>> > > >>>>> noted my
>> > > >>>>> >> main
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> concern is
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>about
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > diversity - in particular
>> > > >>>>> "self-sustaining and
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> self-governing
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> communities".
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/gu
>> > > >>>>> ides/graduation.html#
>> > > >>>>> >> > community
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > That's pretty clear and concise
>> > > >>>>> statements from
>> > > >>>>> >> > the
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Apache
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>community
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > as
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> a
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > whole as to what it takes. The
>> > podling
>> > > is
>> > > >>>>> >> > following
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> "the apache
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>way"
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> quite
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > well, so it's really the
>>sustaining
>> > > part
>> > > >>>>> for me.
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Ensuring that
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> community is
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > being built and the community
>>as a
>> > > whole
>> > > >>>>> is
>> > > >>>>> >> owning
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> the
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> process.
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > Hope this helps, regards,
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > Patrick
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 2:24 PM,
>> > Andrew
>> > > >>>>> Purtell
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >><apurtell@apache.org
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > wrote:
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > For me the best test if a
>>podling
>> > is
>> > > >>>>> ready for
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> graduation is
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>they
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> do
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> it
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > (mostly) for themselves. So,
>> > > Mnemonic,
>> > > >>>>> I'd
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> encourage
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> you to
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>search
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > through
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > the incubator mailing list
>> archives
>> > > for
>> > > >>>>> >> examples
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> of
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> other
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>podlings
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > running
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > a graduation vote and
>>submitting
>> > the
>> > > >>>>> result to
>> > > >>>>> >> > the
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> IPMC. Then,
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>do
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > it.
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > I'm glad to see the recent
>>move
>> to
>> > > >>>>> bring in
>> > > >>>>> >> more
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> RMs
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> in
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>response
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> to
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> the
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > earlier feedback, now that
>> everyone
>> > > is
>> > > >>>>> aware
>> > > >>>>> >> of
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> it.
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, I
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> didn't
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> think
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > that the incubator report
>>might
>> not
>> > > be
>> > > >>>>> read
>> > > >>>>> >> > back.
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 5:42
>>PM,
>> > John
>> > > >>>>> D. Ament
>> > > >>>>> >> <
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > johndament@apache.org>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > wrote:
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> Patrick,
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> I read it. I'm curious, did
>>you
>> > or
>> > > >>>>> Andrew
>> > > >>>>> >> > share
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> your feedback
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> with
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> Mnemonic directly? I've
>>noticed
>> > > that
>> > > >>>>> >> podlings
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> sometimes don't
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> see
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> the
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> input, and don't receive
>> responses
>> > > >>>>> the way
>> > > >>>>> >> TLPs
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> do.
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> For the podling's
>>information,
>> we
>> > do
>> > > >>>>> also
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> maintain
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> a whimsy
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>page
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> of
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> all
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> approved board reports per
>> > project,
>> > > >>>>> Mnemonic
>> > > >>>>> >> > can
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> see that
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > information
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> here:
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> https://whimsy.apache.org/
>> > > >>>>> >> > board/minutes/Mnemonic
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> When I see a podling
>>receiving 5
>> > > +1's
>> > > >>>>> on a
>> > > >>>>> >> dev
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> list
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> release
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>vote,
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > that's a
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> great sign.
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> There probably is room for
>>more
>> on
>> > > >>>>> list
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> discussion,
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> and yes
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>the
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > committer
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> diversity isn't 100% there (I
>> > would
>> > > be
>> > > >>>>> >> curious
>> > > >>>>> >> > to
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> see company
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> affiliations).
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> I'll also point out that I
>> > sometimes
>> > > >>>>> ask
>> > > >>>>> >> these
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> questions to
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > podlings
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> to
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> get
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> them to start thinking about
>> > > >>>>> graduation, not
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> actually moving
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > forward
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> yet
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> due to $reasons.
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 2:58
>>PM
>> > > >>>>> Patrick Hunt <
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> phunt@apache.org>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> wrote:
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > Hi John, did you read my
>> > feedback
>> > > >>>>> on the
>> > > >>>>> >> most
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> recent podling
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> report?
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > Do
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > you disagree? I don't
>>believe
>> > this
>> > > >>>>> has
>> > > >>>>> >> > changed
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>significantly in
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > the
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > past
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > month/two. For example all
>> > > releases
>> > > >>>>> have
>> > > >>>>> >> been
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> done by a
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>single
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> person.
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > https://wiki.apache.org/
>> > > >>>>> >> incubator/March2017
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > As I've mentioned
>>previously
>> my
>> > > only
>> > > >>>>> >> concerns
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> at
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> this point
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>are
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> around
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > diversity.
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > Patrick
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at
>>11:07
>> AM,
>> > > >>>>> Gang(Gary)
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> Wang <
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > garyw@apache.org
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> wrote:
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> Hi John and PPMCs
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> As John advised, our
>> community
>> > > and
>> > > >>>>> project
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> mnemonic might
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>be
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> ready to
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> get
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> graduated, I'd like to
>>start
>> > the
>> > > >>>>> following
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> votes
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> according
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>to
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > the
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> processes
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> of
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/
>> > > guides/graduation.html
>> > > >>>>> with
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> your
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> mentoring
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> and guidance if no
>>objection
>> > > today
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> - Community graduation
>> vote
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> - IPMC recommendation
>>vote
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> Mnemonic Project
>>Incubation
>> > > Status
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/
>> > > projects/mnemonic.html
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> Very truly yours
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> +Gary
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at
>>11:26
>> > PM,
>> > > >>>>> >> Gang(Gary)
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> Wang
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> <
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> garyw@apache.org>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> wrote:
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Hi John
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Thank you for starting
>>this
>> > > >>>>> discussion.
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Yes, our community is
>> growing
>> > > and
>> > > >>>>> >> continue
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> to
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> attract
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>more
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> people
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > to
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> join
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > our community. Some
>> industry
>> > > >>>>> users are
>> > > >>>>> >> > aware
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> of mnemonic
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>and
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > already
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> get
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > interested as i known.
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Mnemonic is able to
>>deliver
>> > > >>>>> unique
>> > > >>>>> >> values
>> > > >>>>> >> > to
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> their
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>business
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > so I
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> think
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > that it is very
>>important
>> for
>> > > us
>> > > >>>>> to get
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> mnemonic
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>graduated
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> in
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> time
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > if
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > qualified.
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > My 2 cents, looks
>>nothing
>> > left
>> > > >>>>> for us to
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> graduate
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>Mnemonic,
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > I'm
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > also
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > looking forward to
>>propose
>> > our
>> > > >>>>> project
>> > > >>>>> >> as
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Apache TLP.
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Thanks!
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Very truly yours
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Gary
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > On Tuesday, May 2, 2017,
>> John
>> > > D.
>> > > >>>>> Ament <
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> johndament@apache.org
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> wrote:
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > Hi Mnemonic PPMC,
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > After looking at your
>> > recent
>> > > >>>>> release,
>> > > >>>>> >> > your
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> current
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>growth
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > and
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > well
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > functioning PPMC, was
>> > wondering
>> > > >>>>> what was
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> left
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> for you
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>guys
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> to
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> graduate?
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > John
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > --
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > Best regards,
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > - Andy
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > If you are given a choice, you
>> > > believe
>> > > >>>>> you
>> > > >>>>> >> have
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> acted freely. -
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> Raymond
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > Teller (via Peter Watts)
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >> >
>> > > >>>>> >> > >>
>> > > >>>>> >> > >
>> > > >>>>> >> > >
>> > > >>>>> >> >
>> > > >>>>> >>
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation?
Posted by Gary Wong <qi...@gmail.com>.
Got it, Thanks for the guidance, We are going to start the official vote.
we have also prepared a draft of Graduation resolution for your review,
Thanks!
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MNEMONIC/Graduation+Resolution
On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 11:07 AM, Henry Saputra <he...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> To do official VOTE thread we need to have proposed board resolution for
> the TLP.
>
> - Henry
>
> On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 9:45 PM, Gary Wong <qi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Patrick and Mentors
> >
> > Thank you for the input and guidance.
> >
> > I have visited the following page that you mentioned, it looks there are
> > some broken links.
> > https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#
> graduation_check_list
> >
> > I paste two key sections here as a checklist for verification
> >
> > -
> >
> > Preparations
> > -
> >
> > Complete (and sign off) tasks documented in the status file
> > <https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#notes-status>
> > Yes, it is up-to-date
> > -
> >
> > Ensure suitable names
> > <https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#notes-names>
> > for
> > project name and product names
> > Approved, https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-
> 95
> > -
> >
> > Demonstrate ability to create Apache releases
> > <https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#releases>
> > Release 8 versions and another one is WIP, involved 3 release
> > managers
> > -
> >
> > Demonstrate community readiness
> > <https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#community>
> > Our contributors come from different companies and show the
> diversity
> > and working on different components, all changes have been reviewed
> > and
> > trackable. we have an open, positive and inclusive atmosphere for
> the
> > discussion
> > -
> >
> > Ensure Mentors
> > <https://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Roles_and_
> > Responsibilities.html#Mentor>
> > and IPMC
> > <https://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Roles_and_
> > Responsibilities.html#Incubator+Project+Management+Committee+%28PMC%29>
> > have no remaining issues
> > <https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#notes-issues>
> > We have taken actions on issues from the discussion of graduation
> and
> > fulfilled the Apache maturity assessment
> >
> > https://docs.google.com/document/d/10LKTjPMceV4s4MrSRIA9L8pg7jLFp
> > -ec-TmW96mZbXM/edit?usp=sharing
> > -
> >
> > Decide upon destination
> > <https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#
> > subproject-or-top-level>
> > Would be Top-Level Project
> > -
> >
> > Prepare a resolution
> > <https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#tlp-resolution>
> > *(top
> > level candidates only)*.
> > We will prepare our resolution according to
> >
> > https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#
> > submission_of_the_resolution_to_the_board
> > template
> >
> > https://svn.apache.org/repos/private/committers/board/
> > templates/podling-tlp-resolution.txt
> > and some samples
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CRUNCH/
> > Graduation+Resolution
> >
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FINERACT/
> > Graduation+Resolution
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DATAFU/
> > Graduation+Resolution
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MADLIB/
> > Graduation+Resolution
> > The resolution should be proposed on the general incubator list
> > <ge...@incubator.apache.org> before a *VOTE
> > <http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html>* is started to allow
> > feedback
> > -
> >
> > Subproject acceptance *VOTE*
> > <https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#
> > subproject-acceptance>
> > by destination Project *(*subproject* candidates only)*
> > NA
> > -
> >
> > Incubator PMC (IPMC)
> > <https://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Roles_and_
> > Responsibilities.html#Incubator+Project+Management+Committee+%28PMC%29>
> > :
> > -
> >
> > For top level candidates, this is a recommendation *VOTE*
> > <https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#ipmc-
> > top-level-recommendation>
> > See below.
> >
> > -
> >
> > For subproject candidates, this is a graduation approval *VOTE*
> > <https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#
> > subproject-graduation>
> > NA
> > -
> >
> > Final hand-over
> > <https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#notes-
> on-hand-over
> > >
> > -
> >
> > Consider post graduation tasks
> > <https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#
> > project-first-steps>
> >
> >
> > Graduation to a top level project requires:
> >
> > -
> >
> > a charter for your project
> > https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#
> preparing_a_charter
> > -
> >
> > a positive community graduation VOTE
> > <http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html>
> >
> > https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#
> > community_graduation_vote
> > -
> >
> > a positive IPMC recommendation VOTE
> > <http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html>
> > I have not found a template for this vote, but we can refer to other
> > project's vote.
> > Samples
> >
> > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-
> > general/201709.mbox/%3CCAOqetn_+Oub4Gtr4=hOv=
> > cLeMYB0i=XeeWkoxiBPg1v+CWALyw@mail.gmail.com%3E
> > -
> >
> > the acceptance of the resolution
> > <https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#tlp-resolution>
> by
> > the Board
> >
> >
> > so our next step would be to prepare a resolution, please help to verify
> it
> > and guide us to complete those steps for graduation, Thanks!
> >
> > Very truly yours
> > Gary.
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 6:36 PM, Patrick Hunt <ph...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > > ps.
> > >
> > > > 3) Many contributed have voted +1s for this graduation
> > >
> > > keep in mind that this is the discussion thread and not a vote. Note
> (see
> > > the link to grad doc I just provided) that you need to do a couple
> things
> > > before the vote.
> > >
> > > Patrick
> > >
> > > On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 6:34 PM, Patrick Hunt <ph...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I reviewed the status page earlier today and it looks up to date to
> me.
> > > > http://incubator.apache.org/projects/mnemonic.html
> > > >
> > > > Similarly the "preparation" steps have been followed afaict:
> > > > https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#
> > > graduation_check_list
> > > > namesearch <https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-
> 95
> > >
> > > > etc... signed off a while ago
> > > >
> > > > Patrick
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 4:54 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Let me summarize the discussion on graduation, Please refer to this
> > > email
> > > >> thread for details.
> > > >>
> > > >> 1) We have completed the website of Mnemonic that is required before
> > > >> graduation
> > > >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/
> > > >>
> > > >> 2) We have filled the Apache project maturity assessment for
> Mnemonic
> > > and
> > > >> fixed all gaps that would be helpful for graduation
> > > >> https://docs.google.com/document/d/10LKTjPMceV4s4MrSRIA9L8pg
> > > >> 7jLFp-ec-TmW96mZbXM/edit?usp=sharing
> > > >>
> > > >> 3) Many contributed have voted +1s for this graduation
> > > >>
> > > >> Please add yours if any before we are starting graduation votes,
> > Thanks!
> > > >>
> > > >> Cheers
> > > >> Gary
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 9:51 AM, Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org>
> > > wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> Hi John, Mentors and PPMCs
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Looks no new issues crop up for a few days, and many contributors
> are
> > > >>> positive and voted +1s for graduation, no negative from our
> > community,
> > > so I
> > > >>> think this discussion could be settled down today and proceed to
> > > collect
> > > >>> votes from our community and IPMCs for graduation, please guide us
> if
> > > any
> > > >>> missing, misunderstanding and suggestion, Thanks!
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Very truly yours
> > > >>> Gary
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 12:18 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <
> garyw@apache.org>
> > > >>> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> Hi John, Mentors and PPMCs
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Looks we have resolved all the issues that you have pointed out
> for
> > > >>>> graduation, meanwhile, there are more contributors +1 for our
> > > project's
> > > >>>> graduation so, could we start the community graduation vote and
> IPMC
> > > >>>> graduation vote according to the following chart extracted from
> > > >>>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#community ?
> > > Thanks!
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> [image: Inline image 1]
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Very truly yours
> > > >>>> Gary
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 11:22 PM, Wen Tong <pu...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> +1 support for graduation.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 5:35 AM, Wei HE <he...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >>>>> > +1 support for graduation.
> > > >>>>> >
> > > >>>>> > Wei HE
> > > >>>>> >
> > > >>>>> > On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 4:40 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <
> > garyw@apache.org
> > > >
> > > >>>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>> >
> > > >>>>> >> Yes, I also totally agree this and we will try our best for
> the
> > > >>>>> readiness
> > > >>>>> >> for the graduation.
> > > >>>>> >>
> > > >>>>> >> For the suggestion that John advised, we have prepared the
> > > following
> > > >>>>> >> comments for your review, Thanks!
> > > >>>>> >>
> > > >>>>> >> *CD20 - You have a link in your header called GITHUB that
> > brought
> > > >>>>> me to
> > > >>>>> >> your source code. Other projects use hacking guides. Unless
> > > >>>>> you're on
> > > >>>>> >> gitbox, the git primary repo should be the ASF hosted repos.*
> > > >>>>> >>
> > > >>>>> >> The github link has been removed from CD20 and using
> > > >>>>> >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/develop/ as the link of
> > > >>>>> website. we
> > > >>>>> >> also create ticket MNEMONIC-355 (resolved) to remove Github
> link
> > > >>>>> from
> > > >>>>> >> navigator menu on website.
> > > >>>>> >>
> > > >>>>> >> *CD30 - The usage of docker is in of itself a violation of
> this
> > > >>>>> item, from
> > > >>>>> >> my point of view. In your case, you're pointing to
> > > "centos:latest"
> > > >>>>> which
> > > >>>>> >> today is C7.2, but in a few months will be C7.3.*
> > > >>>>> >>
> > > >>>>> >> Yes, we will fix it through Apache Jira MNEMONIC-353(reviewed)
> > and
> > > >>>>> >> MNEMONIC-356(WIP)
> > > >>>>> >>
> > > >>>>> >> *CD50 - I can't tell if the pull requests to your repo are
> from
> > > >>>>> committers
> > > >>>>> >> or from contributors. If I take
> > > >>>>> >> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/pull/60
> > > >>>>> >> <https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/pull/60> as an
> > > >>>>> example, the
> > > >>>>> >> commit message says nothing about provenance of the source
> > code.*
> > > >>>>> >>
> > > >>>>> >> We have requested to revoke all stalled PRs, and all commit
> > > >>>>> messages must
> > > >>>>> >> contain Apache JIRA number and title.
> > > >>>>> >>
> > > >>>>> >> *LC50 - You mention in your response why this is incorrect
> (the
> > > use
> > > >>>>> of
> > > >>>>> >> *most*)*
> > > >>>>> >>
> > > >>>>> >> Yes we will correct it with "The files in the project source
> > > >>>>> repository
> > > >>>>> >> have appropriate headers", The files under target/ that
> > generated
> > > >>>>> by mvn
> > > >>>>> >> building process would be excluded and all other project files
> > > have
> > > >>>>> been
> > > >>>>> >> properly licensed and guarded by RAT plugin.
> > > >>>>> >>
> > > >>>>> >> *RE10 - You link to http://mnemonic.incubator.
> apache.org/news/
> > > >>>>> >> <http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/news/> but that doesn't
> > > >>>>> include any
> > > >>>>> >> download links. http://mnemonic.incubator.
> > apache.org/downloads/
> > > >>>>> >> <http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/downloads/> does
> include
> > > >>>>> download
> > > >>>>> >> links to the proper release mirrors.*
> > > >>>>> >>
> > > >>>>> >> That has been corrected by replacing it with the link
> > > >>>>> >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/downloads/
> > > >>>>> >>
> > > >>>>> >> *RE20 - You mention non-PMC members in the vote (PPMC).*
> > > >>>>> >>
> > > >>>>> >> Yes, we started with the community vote for releasing and the
> > > result
> > > >>>>> >> explicitly shows binding and non-binding votes.
> > > >>>>> >>
> > > >>>>> >> *RE30 - Again, not using mirror.*
> > > >>>>> >>
> > > >>>>> >> Looks no mirror link in this field.
> > > >>>>> >>
> > > >>>>> >> *RE40 - Correct answer would be "NO. We do not distribute
> binary
> > > >>>>> >> releases."*
> > > >>>>> >>
> > > >>>>> >> Yes it is and corrected
> > > >>>>> >>
> > > >>>>> >> *RE50 - Your release process neglects deleting old artifacts.*
> > > >>>>> >>
> > > >>>>> >> Sorry I forgot it and corrected it by the Apache Jira ticket
> > > >>>>> MNEMONIC-357
> > > >>>>> >> (resolved) as well as MNEMONIC-358 (resolved)
> > > >>>>> >>
> > > >>>>> >> *QU10 - Code quality is more than bug reports. You may want
> to
> > > use
> > > >>>>> >> linters, sonar, etc.*
> > > >>>>> >>
> > > >>>>> >> Yes, we will investigate this plugin and apply them to project
> > > >>>>> later, as
> > > >>>>> >> for now, the QU10 has been replaced with "YES. The project
> > records
> > > >>>>> all bugs
> > > >>>>> >> in the Apache’s JIRA issue tracker. Developer also uses
> Eclipse
> > or
> > > >>>>> Intellij
> > > >>>>> >> IDEA to improve their code quality."
> > > >>>>> >>
> > > >>>>> >> *QU20 - This is only achievable if you've had a security
> > > >>>>> vulnerability
> > > >>>>> >> reported. If you haven't had one reported, there's no way to
> > > >>>>> confirm
> > > >>>>> >> this.*
> > > >>>>> >>
> > > >>>>> >> The QU20 has been replaced with "YES. Security issues would be
> > > >>>>> treated with
> > > >>>>> >> the highest priority, computing service and memory service are
> > > >>>>> separated
> > > >>>>> >> from other modules and defined by interfaces, so security
> > concerns
> > > >>>>> could be
> > > >>>>> >> largely mitigated by introduced this design at first place.",
> > that
> > > >>>>> this
> > > >>>>> >> emphasize we consider the security aspect from design
> viewpoint
> > as
> > > >>>>> well.
> > > >>>>> >>
> > > >>>>> >> *QU50 - I see that MNEMONIC-203/217 have been open for around
> 6
> > > >>>>> months.*
> > > >>>>> >>
> > > >>>>> >> We have asked owners to properly handle those tickets
> > > >>>>> >>
> > > >>>>> >> *CO10 - Github shows two pull requests open without any
> > commentary
> > > >>>>> or
> > > >>>>> >> questions from the project's committers. Why is that?*
> > > >>>>> >>
> > > >>>>> >> They are stalled PRs, we have asked the owner to properly
> revoke
> > > >>>>> them.
> > > >>>>> >>
> > > >>>>> >> *The full checklist as follows for you to add comments*
> > > >>>>> >> https://docs.google.com/document/d/
> > 10LKTjPMceV4s4MrSRIA9L8pg7jLFp
> > > >>>>> >> -ec-TmW96mZbXM/edit?usp=sharing
> > > >>>>> >>
> > > >>>>> >> Very truly yours
> > > >>>>> >> Gary
> > > >>>>> >>
> > > >>>>> >>
> > > >>>>> >>
> > > >>>>> >>
> > > >>>>> >>
> > > >>>>> >> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 2:25 PM, John D. Ament <
> > > >>>>> johndament@apache.org>
> > > >>>>> >> wrote:
> > > >>>>> >>
> > > >>>>> >> > Huge +1 to that.
> > > >>>>> >> >
> > > >>>>> >> > On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 5:18 PM Henry Saputra <
> > > >>>>> henry.saputra@gmail.com>
> > > >>>>> >> > wrote:
> > > >>>>> >> >
> > > >>>>> >> > > The "checklist" suppose to just provide guide for
> readiness
> > > our
> > > >>>>> >> > > graduation. It was NOT mandatory checklist.
> > > >>>>> >> > >
> > > >>>>> >> > > This should be used primarily for self check to make sure
> we
> > > >>>>> are ready
> > > >>>>> >> > for
> > > >>>>> >> > > graduation.
> > > >>>>> >> > >
> > > >>>>> >> > >
> > > >>>>> >> > > - Henry
> > > >>>>> >> > >
> > > >>>>> >> > > On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 7:50 PM, John D. Ament <
> > > >>>>> johndament@apache.org>
> > > >>>>> >> > > wrote:
> > > >>>>> >> > >
> > > >>>>> >> > >> Hello,
> > > >>>>> >> > >>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> So first, I'll say its always great to see a podling aim
> to
> > > >>>>> graduate.
> > > >>>>> >> > Its
> > > >>>>> >> > >> not up to me to measure whether the podling has been
> > > >>>>> successful or
> > > >>>>> >> not,
> > > >>>>> >> > >> but
> > > >>>>> >> > >> instead the IPMC as a whole. I can give you some
> feedback
> > on
> > > >>>>> the APMM
> > > >>>>> >> > >> assessment, but I'll point out that I'm not a fan of this
> > > form
> > > >>>>> and
> > > >>>>> >> > >> completing this form is not a requirement for graduation.
> > > >>>>> >> > >>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> So please, when reviewing the below list, understand that
> > > >>>>> completing
> > > >>>>> >> > this
> > > >>>>> >> > >> is not a requirement for graduation. Even then, podlings
> > who
> > > >>>>> think
> > > >>>>> >> they
> > > >>>>> >> > >> pass it may be missing things.
> > > >>>>> >> > >>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> CD20 - You have a link in your header called GITHUB that
> > > >>>>> brought me to
> > > >>>>> >> > >> your
> > > >>>>> >> > >> source code. Other projects use hacking guides. Unless
> > > >>>>> you're on
> > > >>>>> >> > gitbox,
> > > >>>>> >> > >> the git primary repo should be the ASF hosted repos.
> > > >>>>> >> > >>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> CD30 - The usage of docker is in of itself a violation of
> > > this
> > > >>>>> item,
> > > >>>>> >> > from
> > > >>>>> >> > >> my point of view. In your case, you're pointing to
> > > >>>>> "centos:latest"
> > > >>>>> >> > which
> > > >>>>> >> > >> today is C7.2, but in a few months will be C7.3.
> > > >>>>> >> > >>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> CD50 - I can't tell if the pull requests to your repo are
> > > from
> > > >>>>> >> > committers
> > > >>>>> >> > >> or from contributors. If I take
> > > >>>>> >> > >> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/pull/60 as
> an
> > > >>>>> example,
> > > >>>>> >> the
> > > >>>>> >> > >> commit message says nothing about provenance of the
> source
> > > >>>>> code.
> > > >>>>> >> > >>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> LC50 - You mention in your response why this is incorrect
> > > (the
> > > >>>>> use of
> > > >>>>> >> > >> *most*)
> > > >>>>> >> > >>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> RE10 - You link to http://mnemonic.incubator.
> > > apache.org/news/
> > > >>>>> but
> > > >>>>> >> that
> > > >>>>> >> > >> doesn't include any download links.
> > > >>>>> >> > >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/downloads/ does
> > include
> > > >>>>> download
> > > >>>>> >> > >> links
> > > >>>>> >> > >> to the proper release mirrors.
> > > >>>>> >> > >>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> RE20 - You mention non-PMC members in the vote (PPMC).
> > > >>>>> >> > >>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> RE30 - Again, not using mirror.
> > > >>>>> >> > >>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> RE40 - Correct answer would be "NO. We do not distribute
> > > binary
> > > >>>>> >> > releases."
> > > >>>>> >> > >>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> RE50 - Your release process neglects deleting old
> > artifacts.
> > > >>>>> >> > >>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> QU10 - Code quality is more than bug reports. You may
> want
> > > to
> > > >>>>> use
> > > >>>>> >> > >> linters,
> > > >>>>> >> > >> sonar, etc.
> > > >>>>> >> > >>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> QU20 - This is only achievable if you've had a security
> > > >>>>> vulnerability
> > > >>>>> >> > >> reported. If you haven't had one reported, there's no
> way
> > to
> > > >>>>> confirm
> > > >>>>> >> > >> this.
> > > >>>>> >> > >>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> QU50 - I see that MNEMONIC-203/217 have been open for
> > around
> > > 6
> > > >>>>> months.
> > > >>>>> >> > >>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> CO10 - Github shows two pull requests open without any
> > > >>>>> commentary or
> > > >>>>> >> > >> questions from the project's committers. Why is that?
> > > >>>>> >> > >>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> Regards,
> > > >>>>> >> > >>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> John
> > > >>>>> >> > >>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 3:00 PM Gang(Gary) Wang <
> > > >>>>> garyw@apache.org>
> > > >>>>> >> > wrote:
> > > >>>>> >> > >>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> > Hi John, Our Mentors and PPMCs
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >
> > > >>>>> >> > >> > We have prepared Apache Maturity checklist for your
> > > >>>>> evaluation,
> > > >>>>> >> please
> > > >>>>> >> > >> > guide us to graduate our project, thanks.
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >
> > > >>>>> >> > >> > All comments and suggestions are welcome!
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >
> > > >>>>> >> > >> > Cheers!
> > > >>>>> >> > >> > Gary
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >
> > > >>>>> >> > >> > On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 1:31 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <
> > > >>>>> garyw@apache.org>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> wrote:
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >> Hi John
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >> Fixed it, Thank you for reminding me
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >> Very truly yours
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >> Gary
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 12:39 PM, John D. Ament <
> > > >>>>> >> > johndament@apache.org
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >> wrote:
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>> Please take a look at
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>> https://dist.apache.org/repos/
> > > dist/dev/incubator/mnemonic/
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 1:55 PM Gang(Gary) Wang <
> > > >>>>> garyw@apache.org
> > > >>>>> >> >
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>> wrote:
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>> Hi John
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>> This issue has been fixed please refresh your
> browser
> > > and
> > > >>>>> then
> > > >>>>> >> > review
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>> it, Thanks!
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>> Very truly yours
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>> Gary
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 10:33 AM, Gang(Gary) Wang <
> > > >>>>> >> > garyw@apache.org>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>> Hi John
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>> I didn't realize that and thank you very much for
> > > >>>>> pointing it
> > > >>>>> >> out,
> > > >>>>> >> > >> we
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>> will correct this according to your guidance.
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>> Thanks!
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>> Very truly yours
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>> Gary
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 4:54 AM, John D. Ament <
> > > >>>>> >> > >> johndament@apache.org>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> Thanks, but you're still out of compliance.
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> - You're linking directly to your un-mirrored
> > > >>>>> artifacts, but
> > > >>>>> >> you
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> should be linking to your mirrored artifacts.
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> - You have not cleaned up your old releases, your
> > old
> > > >>>>> releases
> > > >>>>> >> > >> should
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> be archived.
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> Now here's the catch - we require mirroring but I
> > > can't
> > > >>>>> find
> > > >>>>> >> > >> anything
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> saying what the mirroring URL is. The format is
> > going
> > > >>>>> to be
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> http://apache.org/dyn/closer.
> cgi/incubator/mnemonic
> > > >>>>> and you'll
> > > >>>>> >> > >> want
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> to grab your specific version from there.
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> John
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 9:31 PM Gang(Gary) Wang <
> > > >>>>> >> > garyw@apache.org>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> Hi John,
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> The Download menu item has been added to the
> > > navigator
> > > >>>>> in home
> > > >>>>> >> > >> page,
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> Please refresh your browser to review it, Thank
> you
> > > >>>>> very much
> > > >>>>> >> > for
> > > >>>>> >> > >> the
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> suggestion.
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> Very truly yours
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> Gary
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 6:04 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang
> <
> > > >>>>> >> > >> garyw@apache.org>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> Hi John,
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> You can download all versions of the package
> from
> > > >>>>> Apache
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> distribution site that is linked from the
> > following
> > > >>>>> web page
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/
> > > incubator-mnemonic/releases
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> Also, we can download them from Apache Mirrored
> > > >>>>> Github page
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/
> > > incubator-mnemonic/releases
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> We could add another menu item on top of home
> page
> > > >>>>> dedicated
> > > >>>>> >> > for
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> downloading the latest one.
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> Thanks!
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> Very truly yours
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> Gary
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 5:40 PM, John D. Ament <
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> johndament@apache.org> wrote:
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>> I'm looking at your website. How do I download
> > > >>>>> Mnemonic?
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>> John
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 4:37 PM Gary Wong <
> > > >>>>> >> qichfan@gmail.com>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Uma
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Yes, We are going to send out this checklist
> for
> > > >>>>> PPMC
> > > >>>>> >> review,
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Thank you very much for the guidance.
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Very truly yours
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Gary
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Gangumalla,
> > Uma <
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> uma.gangumalla@intel.com> wrote:
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> IMO, Mnemonic project doing good and ready
> for
> > > >>>>> graduation.
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> What is the mentors call on this?
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> I remember many other projects do Maturity
> > model
> > > >>>>> checklist
> > > >>>>> >> > to
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> check where
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> we are? Gary/John do you mind ready that
> sheet,
> > > so
> > > >>>>> that
> > > >>>>> >> will
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> help to
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> assess better?
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Uma
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> On 8/16/17, 12:46 PM, "Johnu George" <
> > > >>>>> johnu@apache.org>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> wrote:
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >It seems that we are ready to be a top level
> > > >>>>> project .
> > > >>>>> >> We
> > > >>>>> >> > >> have
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> a stable
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >release and we work well as a apache
> community
> > > >>>>> under the
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> guidance of our
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >mentors. Any thoughts?
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 12:00 PM, Gang(Gary)
> > > Wang <
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> garyw@apache.org> wrote:
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Dear John and Patrick,
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Thank you for the guidance, we have
> > completed
> > > >>>>> the
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> construction of
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>Mnemonic
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Website recently according to your
> feedback,
> > > >>>>> this
> > > >>>>> >> Apache
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> server hosted
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> website will be kept up to date and
> > maintained
> > > >>>>> by
> > > >>>>> >> > dedicated
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> community
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> members. we also have redirected the
> > visitors
> > > >>>>> from
> > > >>>>> >> > Github
> > > >>>>> >> > >> to
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> our Apache
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> server hosted website by providing a
> forward
> > > >>>>> link in
> > > >>>>> >> > >> project
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> README.md
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> file. Please review it as follows.
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Note: the browser cache may cause
> unexpected
> > > >>>>> view of
> > > >>>>> >> this
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> website,
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>please
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> clear browser cache or visit it in
> incognito
> > > >>>>> mode.
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Very truly yours.
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Gary
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 6:04 PM, John D.
> > > Ament <
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> johndament@apache.org>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> wrote:
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > Hi patrick,
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > I recently raised an issue with the
> > website
> > > >>>>> to the
> > > >>>>> >> > >> team. I
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> personally
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > would like to see that fixed before a
> > > >>>>> graduation.
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Specifically saying
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> that
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > you need to learn it from github.
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > John
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:15 PM Patrick
> > > Hunt <
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> phunt@apache.org> wrote:
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > Given the recent work to bring on
> > > >>>>> additional RMs
> > > >>>>> >> (and
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> increase
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> community
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > involvement in general) and clearly
> > > document
> > > >>>>> >> release
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> procedures I
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>feel
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > that
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > my previous concerns have been largely
> > > >>>>> addressed.
> > > >>>>> >> If
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> there is
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>interest
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> in
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > the community I would now be in favor,
> > but
> > > >>>>> up to
> > > >>>>> >> you
> > > >>>>> >> > -
> > > >>>>> >> > >> do
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> you feel
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> you're
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > ready to graduate at this point?
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > Regards,
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > Patrick
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 3:30 PM,
> > Debojyoti
> > > >>>>> Dutta <
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> ddutta@apache.org>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > wrote:
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> On the diversity issue, we are trying
> > to
> > > >>>>> solve
> > > >>>>> >> that
> > > >>>>> >> > >> with
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> new
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> committers
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> from different organizations. We have
> > had
> > > >>>>> >> > >> contributions
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> from other
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> companies like Cisco recently.
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> This space is about to heat up soon
> and
> > > we
> > > >>>>> will
> > > >>>>> >> see
> > > >>>>> >> > >> more
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>committers.
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> cheers
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> debo
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 8:18 AM,
> Patrick
> > > >>>>> Hunt <
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> phunt@apache.org>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> wrote:
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > I've mentored a number of podlings
> > over
> > > >>>>> the
> > > >>>>> >> years
> > > >>>>> >> > >> and
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> this one if
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> very
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> well
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > run and is on a good trajectory. As
> > > >>>>> noted my
> > > >>>>> >> main
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> concern is
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>about
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > diversity - in particular
> > > >>>>> "self-sustaining and
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> self-governing
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> communities".
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/gu
> > > >>>>> ides/graduation.html#
> > > >>>>> >> > community
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > That's pretty clear and concise
> > > >>>>> statements from
> > > >>>>> >> > the
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Apache
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>community
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > as
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> a
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > whole as to what it takes. The
> > podling
> > > is
> > > >>>>> >> > following
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> "the apache
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>way"
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> quite
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > well, so it's really the sustaining
> > > part
> > > >>>>> for me.
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Ensuring that
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> community is
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > being built and the community as a
> > > whole
> > > >>>>> is
> > > >>>>> >> owning
> > > >>>>> >> > >> the
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> process.
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > Hope this helps, regards,
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > Patrick
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 2:24 PM,
> > Andrew
> > > >>>>> Purtell
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >><apurtell@apache.org
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > wrote:
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > For me the best test if a podling
> > is
> > > >>>>> ready for
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> graduation is
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>they
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> do
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> it
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > (mostly) for themselves. So,
> > > Mnemonic,
> > > >>>>> I'd
> > > >>>>> >> > >> encourage
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> you to
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>search
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > through
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > the incubator mailing list
> archives
> > > for
> > > >>>>> >> examples
> > > >>>>> >> > >> of
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> other
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>podlings
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > running
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > a graduation vote and submitting
> > the
> > > >>>>> result to
> > > >>>>> >> > the
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> IPMC. Then,
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>do
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > it.
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > I'm glad to see the recent move
> to
> > > >>>>> bring in
> > > >>>>> >> more
> > > >>>>> >> > >> RMs
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> in
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>response
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> to
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> the
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > earlier feedback, now that
> everyone
> > > is
> > > >>>>> aware
> > > >>>>> >> of
> > > >>>>> >> > >> it.
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, I
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> didn't
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> think
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > that the incubator report might
> not
> > > be
> > > >>>>> read
> > > >>>>> >> > back.
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 5:42 PM,
> > John
> > > >>>>> D. Ament
> > > >>>>> >> <
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > johndament@apache.org>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > wrote:
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> Patrick,
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> I read it. I'm curious, did you
> > or
> > > >>>>> Andrew
> > > >>>>> >> > share
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> your feedback
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> with
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> Mnemonic directly? I've noticed
> > > that
> > > >>>>> >> podlings
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> sometimes don't
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> see
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> the
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> input, and don't receive
> responses
> > > >>>>> the way
> > > >>>>> >> TLPs
> > > >>>>> >> > >> do.
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> For the podling's information,
> we
> > do
> > > >>>>> also
> > > >>>>> >> > >> maintain
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> a whimsy
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>page
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> of
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> all
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> approved board reports per
> > project,
> > > >>>>> Mnemonic
> > > >>>>> >> > can
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> see that
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > information
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> here:
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> https://whimsy.apache.org/
> > > >>>>> >> > board/minutes/Mnemonic
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> When I see a podling receiving 5
> > > +1's
> > > >>>>> on a
> > > >>>>> >> dev
> > > >>>>> >> > >> list
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> release
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>vote,
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > that's a
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> great sign.
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> There probably is room for more
> on
> > > >>>>> list
> > > >>>>> >> > >> discussion,
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> and yes
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>the
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > committer
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> diversity isn't 100% there (I
> > would
> > > be
> > > >>>>> >> curious
> > > >>>>> >> > to
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> see company
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> affiliations).
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> I'll also point out that I
> > sometimes
> > > >>>>> ask
> > > >>>>> >> these
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> questions to
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > podlings
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> to
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> get
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> them to start thinking about
> > > >>>>> graduation, not
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> actually moving
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > forward
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> yet
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> due to $reasons.
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 2:58 PM
> > > >>>>> Patrick Hunt <
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> phunt@apache.org>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> wrote:
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > Hi John, did you read my
> > feedback
> > > >>>>> on the
> > > >>>>> >> most
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> recent podling
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> report?
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > Do
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > you disagree? I don't believe
> > this
> > > >>>>> has
> > > >>>>> >> > changed
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>significantly in
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > the
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > past
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > month/two. For example all
> > > releases
> > > >>>>> have
> > > >>>>> >> been
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> done by a
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>single
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> person.
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > https://wiki.apache.org/
> > > >>>>> >> incubator/March2017
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > As I've mentioned previously
> my
> > > only
> > > >>>>> >> concerns
> > > >>>>> >> > >> at
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> this point
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>are
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> around
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > diversity.
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > Patrick
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 11:07
> AM,
> > > >>>>> Gang(Gary)
> > > >>>>> >> > >> Wang <
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > garyw@apache.org
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> wrote:
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> Hi John and PPMCs
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> As John advised, our
> community
> > > and
> > > >>>>> project
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> mnemonic might
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>be
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> ready to
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> get
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> graduated, I'd like to start
> > the
> > > >>>>> following
> > > >>>>> >> > >> votes
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> according
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>to
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > the
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> processes
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> of
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/
> > > guides/graduation.html
> > > >>>>> with
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> your
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> mentoring
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> and guidance if no objection
> > > today
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> - Community graduation
> vote
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> - IPMC recommendation vote
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> Mnemonic Project Incubation
> > > Status
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/
> > > projects/mnemonic.html
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> Very truly yours
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> +Gary
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 11:26
> > PM,
> > > >>>>> >> Gang(Gary)
> > > >>>>> >> > >> Wang
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> <
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> garyw@apache.org>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> wrote:
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Hi John
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Thank you for starting this
> > > >>>>> discussion.
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Yes, our community is
> growing
> > > and
> > > >>>>> >> continue
> > > >>>>> >> > >> to
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> attract
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>more
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> people
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > to
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> join
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > our community. Some
> industry
> > > >>>>> users are
> > > >>>>> >> > aware
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> of mnemonic
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>and
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > already
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> get
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > interested as i known.
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Mnemonic is able to deliver
> > > >>>>> unique
> > > >>>>> >> values
> > > >>>>> >> > to
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> their
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>business
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > so I
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> think
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > that it is very important
> for
> > > us
> > > >>>>> to get
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> mnemonic
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>graduated
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> in
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> time
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > if
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > qualified.
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > My 2 cents, looks nothing
> > left
> > > >>>>> for us to
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> graduate
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>Mnemonic,
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > I'm
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > also
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > looking forward to propose
> > our
> > > >>>>> project
> > > >>>>> >> as
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Apache TLP.
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Thanks!
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Very truly yours
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Gary
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > On Tuesday, May 2, 2017,
> John
> > > D.
> > > >>>>> Ament <
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> johndament@apache.org
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> wrote:
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > Hi Mnemonic PPMC,
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > After looking at your
> > recent
> > > >>>>> release,
> > > >>>>> >> > your
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> current
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>growth
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > and
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > well
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > functioning PPMC, was
> > wondering
> > > >>>>> what was
> > > >>>>> >> > >> left
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> for you
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>guys
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> to
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> graduate?
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > John
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > --
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > Best regards,
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > - Andy
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > If you are given a choice, you
> > > believe
> > > >>>>> you
> > > >>>>> >> have
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> acted freely. -
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> Raymond
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > Teller (via Peter Watts)
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>
> > > >>>>> >> > >> >
> > > >>>>> >> > >>
> > > >>>>> >> > >
> > > >>>>> >> > >
> > > >>>>> >> >
> > > >>>>> >>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation?
Posted by Henry Saputra <he...@gmail.com>.
To do official VOTE thread we need to have proposed board resolution for
the TLP.
- Henry
On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 9:45 PM, Gary Wong <qi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Patrick and Mentors
>
> Thank you for the input and guidance.
>
> I have visited the following page that you mentioned, it looks there are
> some broken links.
> https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#graduation_check_list
>
> I paste two key sections here as a checklist for verification
>
> -
>
> Preparations
> -
>
> Complete (and sign off) tasks documented in the status file
> <https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#notes-status>
> Yes, it is up-to-date
> -
>
> Ensure suitable names
> <https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#notes-names>
> for
> project name and product names
> Approved, https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-95
> -
>
> Demonstrate ability to create Apache releases
> <https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#releases>
> Release 8 versions and another one is WIP, involved 3 release
> managers
> -
>
> Demonstrate community readiness
> <https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#community>
> Our contributors come from different companies and show the diversity
> and working on different components, all changes have been reviewed
> and
> trackable. we have an open, positive and inclusive atmosphere for the
> discussion
> -
>
> Ensure Mentors
> <https://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Roles_and_
> Responsibilities.html#Mentor>
> and IPMC
> <https://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Roles_and_
> Responsibilities.html#Incubator+Project+Management+Committee+%28PMC%29>
> have no remaining issues
> <https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#notes-issues>
> We have taken actions on issues from the discussion of graduation and
> fulfilled the Apache maturity assessment
>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/10LKTjPMceV4s4MrSRIA9L8pg7jLFp
> -ec-TmW96mZbXM/edit?usp=sharing
> -
>
> Decide upon destination
> <https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#
> subproject-or-top-level>
> Would be Top-Level Project
> -
>
> Prepare a resolution
> <https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#tlp-resolution>
> *(top
> level candidates only)*.
> We will prepare our resolution according to
>
> https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#
> submission_of_the_resolution_to_the_board
> template
>
> https://svn.apache.org/repos/private/committers/board/
> templates/podling-tlp-resolution.txt
> and some samples
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CRUNCH/
> Graduation+Resolution
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FINERACT/
> Graduation+Resolution
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DATAFU/
> Graduation+Resolution
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MADLIB/
> Graduation+Resolution
> The resolution should be proposed on the general incubator list
> <ge...@incubator.apache.org> before a *VOTE
> <http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html>* is started to allow
> feedback
> -
>
> Subproject acceptance *VOTE*
> <https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#
> subproject-acceptance>
> by destination Project *(*subproject* candidates only)*
> NA
> -
>
> Incubator PMC (IPMC)
> <https://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Roles_and_
> Responsibilities.html#Incubator+Project+Management+Committee+%28PMC%29>
> :
> -
>
> For top level candidates, this is a recommendation *VOTE*
> <https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#ipmc-
> top-level-recommendation>
> See below.
>
> -
>
> For subproject candidates, this is a graduation approval *VOTE*
> <https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#
> subproject-graduation>
> NA
> -
>
> Final hand-over
> <https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#notes-on-hand-over
> >
> -
>
> Consider post graduation tasks
> <https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#
> project-first-steps>
>
>
> Graduation to a top level project requires:
>
> -
>
> a charter for your project
> https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#preparing_a_charter
> -
>
> a positive community graduation VOTE
> <http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html>
>
> https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#
> community_graduation_vote
> -
>
> a positive IPMC recommendation VOTE
> <http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html>
> I have not found a template for this vote, but we can refer to other
> project's vote.
> Samples
>
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-
> general/201709.mbox/%3CCAOqetn_+Oub4Gtr4=hOv=
> cLeMYB0i=XeeWkoxiBPg1v+CWALyw@mail.gmail.com%3E
> -
>
> the acceptance of the resolution
> <https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#tlp-resolution> by
> the Board
>
>
> so our next step would be to prepare a resolution, please help to verify it
> and guide us to complete those steps for graduation, Thanks!
>
> Very truly yours
> Gary.
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 6:36 PM, Patrick Hunt <ph...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > ps.
> >
> > > 3) Many contributed have voted +1s for this graduation
> >
> > keep in mind that this is the discussion thread and not a vote. Note (see
> > the link to grad doc I just provided) that you need to do a couple things
> > before the vote.
> >
> > Patrick
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 6:34 PM, Patrick Hunt <ph...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > > I reviewed the status page earlier today and it looks up to date to me.
> > > http://incubator.apache.org/projects/mnemonic.html
> > >
> > > Similarly the "preparation" steps have been followed afaict:
> > > https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#
> > graduation_check_list
> > > namesearch <https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-95
> >
> > > etc... signed off a while ago
> > >
> > > Patrick
> > >
> > > On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 4:54 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Let me summarize the discussion on graduation, Please refer to this
> > email
> > >> thread for details.
> > >>
> > >> 1) We have completed the website of Mnemonic that is required before
> > >> graduation
> > >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/
> > >>
> > >> 2) We have filled the Apache project maturity assessment for Mnemonic
> > and
> > >> fixed all gaps that would be helpful for graduation
> > >> https://docs.google.com/document/d/10LKTjPMceV4s4MrSRIA9L8pg
> > >> 7jLFp-ec-TmW96mZbXM/edit?usp=sharing
> > >>
> > >> 3) Many contributed have voted +1s for this graduation
> > >>
> > >> Please add yours if any before we are starting graduation votes,
> Thanks!
> > >>
> > >> Cheers
> > >> Gary
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 9:51 AM, Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Hi John, Mentors and PPMCs
> > >>>
> > >>> Looks no new issues crop up for a few days, and many contributors are
> > >>> positive and voted +1s for graduation, no negative from our
> community,
> > so I
> > >>> think this discussion could be settled down today and proceed to
> > collect
> > >>> votes from our community and IPMCs for graduation, please guide us if
> > any
> > >>> missing, misunderstanding and suggestion, Thanks!
> > >>>
> > >>> Very truly yours
> > >>> Gary
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 12:18 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Hi John, Mentors and PPMCs
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Looks we have resolved all the issues that you have pointed out for
> > >>>> graduation, meanwhile, there are more contributors +1 for our
> > project's
> > >>>> graduation so, could we start the community graduation vote and IPMC
> > >>>> graduation vote according to the following chart extracted from
> > >>>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#community ?
> > Thanks!
> > >>>>
> > >>>> [image: Inline image 1]
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Very truly yours
> > >>>> Gary
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 11:22 PM, Wen Tong <pu...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> +1 support for graduation.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 5:35 AM, Wei HE <he...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >>>>> > +1 support for graduation.
> > >>>>> >
> > >>>>> > Wei HE
> > >>>>> >
> > >>>>> > On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 4:40 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <
> garyw@apache.org
> > >
> > >>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>> >
> > >>>>> >> Yes, I also totally agree this and we will try our best for the
> > >>>>> readiness
> > >>>>> >> for the graduation.
> > >>>>> >>
> > >>>>> >> For the suggestion that John advised, we have prepared the
> > following
> > >>>>> >> comments for your review, Thanks!
> > >>>>> >>
> > >>>>> >> *CD20 - You have a link in your header called GITHUB that
> brought
> > >>>>> me to
> > >>>>> >> your source code. Other projects use hacking guides. Unless
> > >>>>> you're on
> > >>>>> >> gitbox, the git primary repo should be the ASF hosted repos.*
> > >>>>> >>
> > >>>>> >> The github link has been removed from CD20 and using
> > >>>>> >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/develop/ as the link of
> > >>>>> website. we
> > >>>>> >> also create ticket MNEMONIC-355 (resolved) to remove Github link
> > >>>>> from
> > >>>>> >> navigator menu on website.
> > >>>>> >>
> > >>>>> >> *CD30 - The usage of docker is in of itself a violation of this
> > >>>>> item, from
> > >>>>> >> my point of view. In your case, you're pointing to
> > "centos:latest"
> > >>>>> which
> > >>>>> >> today is C7.2, but in a few months will be C7.3.*
> > >>>>> >>
> > >>>>> >> Yes, we will fix it through Apache Jira MNEMONIC-353(reviewed)
> and
> > >>>>> >> MNEMONIC-356(WIP)
> > >>>>> >>
> > >>>>> >> *CD50 - I can't tell if the pull requests to your repo are from
> > >>>>> committers
> > >>>>> >> or from contributors. If I take
> > >>>>> >> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/pull/60
> > >>>>> >> <https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/pull/60> as an
> > >>>>> example, the
> > >>>>> >> commit message says nothing about provenance of the source
> code.*
> > >>>>> >>
> > >>>>> >> We have requested to revoke all stalled PRs, and all commit
> > >>>>> messages must
> > >>>>> >> contain Apache JIRA number and title.
> > >>>>> >>
> > >>>>> >> *LC50 - You mention in your response why this is incorrect (the
> > use
> > >>>>> of
> > >>>>> >> *most*)*
> > >>>>> >>
> > >>>>> >> Yes we will correct it with "The files in the project source
> > >>>>> repository
> > >>>>> >> have appropriate headers", The files under target/ that
> generated
> > >>>>> by mvn
> > >>>>> >> building process would be excluded and all other project files
> > have
> > >>>>> been
> > >>>>> >> properly licensed and guarded by RAT plugin.
> > >>>>> >>
> > >>>>> >> *RE10 - You link to http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/news/
> > >>>>> >> <http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/news/> but that doesn't
> > >>>>> include any
> > >>>>> >> download links. http://mnemonic.incubator.
> apache.org/downloads/
> > >>>>> >> <http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/downloads/> does include
> > >>>>> download
> > >>>>> >> links to the proper release mirrors.*
> > >>>>> >>
> > >>>>> >> That has been corrected by replacing it with the link
> > >>>>> >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/downloads/
> > >>>>> >>
> > >>>>> >> *RE20 - You mention non-PMC members in the vote (PPMC).*
> > >>>>> >>
> > >>>>> >> Yes, we started with the community vote for releasing and the
> > result
> > >>>>> >> explicitly shows binding and non-binding votes.
> > >>>>> >>
> > >>>>> >> *RE30 - Again, not using mirror.*
> > >>>>> >>
> > >>>>> >> Looks no mirror link in this field.
> > >>>>> >>
> > >>>>> >> *RE40 - Correct answer would be "NO. We do not distribute binary
> > >>>>> >> releases."*
> > >>>>> >>
> > >>>>> >> Yes it is and corrected
> > >>>>> >>
> > >>>>> >> *RE50 - Your release process neglects deleting old artifacts.*
> > >>>>> >>
> > >>>>> >> Sorry I forgot it and corrected it by the Apache Jira ticket
> > >>>>> MNEMONIC-357
> > >>>>> >> (resolved) as well as MNEMONIC-358 (resolved)
> > >>>>> >>
> > >>>>> >> *QU10 - Code quality is more than bug reports. You may want to
> > use
> > >>>>> >> linters, sonar, etc.*
> > >>>>> >>
> > >>>>> >> Yes, we will investigate this plugin and apply them to project
> > >>>>> later, as
> > >>>>> >> for now, the QU10 has been replaced with "YES. The project
> records
> > >>>>> all bugs
> > >>>>> >> in the Apache’s JIRA issue tracker. Developer also uses Eclipse
> or
> > >>>>> Intellij
> > >>>>> >> IDEA to improve their code quality."
> > >>>>> >>
> > >>>>> >> *QU20 - This is only achievable if you've had a security
> > >>>>> vulnerability
> > >>>>> >> reported. If you haven't had one reported, there's no way to
> > >>>>> confirm
> > >>>>> >> this.*
> > >>>>> >>
> > >>>>> >> The QU20 has been replaced with "YES. Security issues would be
> > >>>>> treated with
> > >>>>> >> the highest priority, computing service and memory service are
> > >>>>> separated
> > >>>>> >> from other modules and defined by interfaces, so security
> concerns
> > >>>>> could be
> > >>>>> >> largely mitigated by introduced this design at first place.",
> that
> > >>>>> this
> > >>>>> >> emphasize we consider the security aspect from design viewpoint
> as
> > >>>>> well.
> > >>>>> >>
> > >>>>> >> *QU50 - I see that MNEMONIC-203/217 have been open for around 6
> > >>>>> months.*
> > >>>>> >>
> > >>>>> >> We have asked owners to properly handle those tickets
> > >>>>> >>
> > >>>>> >> *CO10 - Github shows two pull requests open without any
> commentary
> > >>>>> or
> > >>>>> >> questions from the project's committers. Why is that?*
> > >>>>> >>
> > >>>>> >> They are stalled PRs, we have asked the owner to properly revoke
> > >>>>> them.
> > >>>>> >>
> > >>>>> >> *The full checklist as follows for you to add comments*
> > >>>>> >> https://docs.google.com/document/d/
> 10LKTjPMceV4s4MrSRIA9L8pg7jLFp
> > >>>>> >> -ec-TmW96mZbXM/edit?usp=sharing
> > >>>>> >>
> > >>>>> >> Very truly yours
> > >>>>> >> Gary
> > >>>>> >>
> > >>>>> >>
> > >>>>> >>
> > >>>>> >>
> > >>>>> >>
> > >>>>> >> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 2:25 PM, John D. Ament <
> > >>>>> johndament@apache.org>
> > >>>>> >> wrote:
> > >>>>> >>
> > >>>>> >> > Huge +1 to that.
> > >>>>> >> >
> > >>>>> >> > On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 5:18 PM Henry Saputra <
> > >>>>> henry.saputra@gmail.com>
> > >>>>> >> > wrote:
> > >>>>> >> >
> > >>>>> >> > > The "checklist" suppose to just provide guide for readiness
> > our
> > >>>>> >> > > graduation. It was NOT mandatory checklist.
> > >>>>> >> > >
> > >>>>> >> > > This should be used primarily for self check to make sure we
> > >>>>> are ready
> > >>>>> >> > for
> > >>>>> >> > > graduation.
> > >>>>> >> > >
> > >>>>> >> > >
> > >>>>> >> > > - Henry
> > >>>>> >> > >
> > >>>>> >> > > On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 7:50 PM, John D. Ament <
> > >>>>> johndament@apache.org>
> > >>>>> >> > > wrote:
> > >>>>> >> > >
> > >>>>> >> > >> Hello,
> > >>>>> >> > >>
> > >>>>> >> > >> So first, I'll say its always great to see a podling aim to
> > >>>>> graduate.
> > >>>>> >> > Its
> > >>>>> >> > >> not up to me to measure whether the podling has been
> > >>>>> successful or
> > >>>>> >> not,
> > >>>>> >> > >> but
> > >>>>> >> > >> instead the IPMC as a whole. I can give you some feedback
> on
> > >>>>> the APMM
> > >>>>> >> > >> assessment, but I'll point out that I'm not a fan of this
> > form
> > >>>>> and
> > >>>>> >> > >> completing this form is not a requirement for graduation.
> > >>>>> >> > >>
> > >>>>> >> > >> So please, when reviewing the below list, understand that
> > >>>>> completing
> > >>>>> >> > this
> > >>>>> >> > >> is not a requirement for graduation. Even then, podlings
> who
> > >>>>> think
> > >>>>> >> they
> > >>>>> >> > >> pass it may be missing things.
> > >>>>> >> > >>
> > >>>>> >> > >> CD20 - You have a link in your header called GITHUB that
> > >>>>> brought me to
> > >>>>> >> > >> your
> > >>>>> >> > >> source code. Other projects use hacking guides. Unless
> > >>>>> you're on
> > >>>>> >> > gitbox,
> > >>>>> >> > >> the git primary repo should be the ASF hosted repos.
> > >>>>> >> > >>
> > >>>>> >> > >> CD30 - The usage of docker is in of itself a violation of
> > this
> > >>>>> item,
> > >>>>> >> > from
> > >>>>> >> > >> my point of view. In your case, you're pointing to
> > >>>>> "centos:latest"
> > >>>>> >> > which
> > >>>>> >> > >> today is C7.2, but in a few months will be C7.3.
> > >>>>> >> > >>
> > >>>>> >> > >> CD50 - I can't tell if the pull requests to your repo are
> > from
> > >>>>> >> > committers
> > >>>>> >> > >> or from contributors. If I take
> > >>>>> >> > >> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/pull/60 as an
> > >>>>> example,
> > >>>>> >> the
> > >>>>> >> > >> commit message says nothing about provenance of the source
> > >>>>> code.
> > >>>>> >> > >>
> > >>>>> >> > >> LC50 - You mention in your response why this is incorrect
> > (the
> > >>>>> use of
> > >>>>> >> > >> *most*)
> > >>>>> >> > >>
> > >>>>> >> > >> RE10 - You link to http://mnemonic.incubator.
> > apache.org/news/
> > >>>>> but
> > >>>>> >> that
> > >>>>> >> > >> doesn't include any download links.
> > >>>>> >> > >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/downloads/ does
> include
> > >>>>> download
> > >>>>> >> > >> links
> > >>>>> >> > >> to the proper release mirrors.
> > >>>>> >> > >>
> > >>>>> >> > >> RE20 - You mention non-PMC members in the vote (PPMC).
> > >>>>> >> > >>
> > >>>>> >> > >> RE30 - Again, not using mirror.
> > >>>>> >> > >>
> > >>>>> >> > >> RE40 - Correct answer would be "NO. We do not distribute
> > binary
> > >>>>> >> > releases."
> > >>>>> >> > >>
> > >>>>> >> > >> RE50 - Your release process neglects deleting old
> artifacts.
> > >>>>> >> > >>
> > >>>>> >> > >> QU10 - Code quality is more than bug reports. You may want
> > to
> > >>>>> use
> > >>>>> >> > >> linters,
> > >>>>> >> > >> sonar, etc.
> > >>>>> >> > >>
> > >>>>> >> > >> QU20 - This is only achievable if you've had a security
> > >>>>> vulnerability
> > >>>>> >> > >> reported. If you haven't had one reported, there's no way
> to
> > >>>>> confirm
> > >>>>> >> > >> this.
> > >>>>> >> > >>
> > >>>>> >> > >> QU50 - I see that MNEMONIC-203/217 have been open for
> around
> > 6
> > >>>>> months.
> > >>>>> >> > >>
> > >>>>> >> > >> CO10 - Github shows two pull requests open without any
> > >>>>> commentary or
> > >>>>> >> > >> questions from the project's committers. Why is that?
> > >>>>> >> > >>
> > >>>>> >> > >> Regards,
> > >>>>> >> > >>
> > >>>>> >> > >> John
> > >>>>> >> > >>
> > >>>>> >> > >> On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 3:00 PM Gang(Gary) Wang <
> > >>>>> garyw@apache.org>
> > >>>>> >> > wrote:
> > >>>>> >> > >>
> > >>>>> >> > >> > Hi John, Our Mentors and PPMCs
> > >>>>> >> > >> >
> > >>>>> >> > >> > We have prepared Apache Maturity checklist for your
> > >>>>> evaluation,
> > >>>>> >> please
> > >>>>> >> > >> > guide us to graduate our project, thanks.
> > >>>>> >> > >> >
> > >>>>> >> > >> > All comments and suggestions are welcome!
> > >>>>> >> > >> >
> > >>>>> >> > >> > Cheers!
> > >>>>> >> > >> > Gary
> > >>>>> >> > >> >
> > >>>>> >> > >> >
> > >>>>> >> > >> > On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 1:31 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <
> > >>>>> garyw@apache.org>
> > >>>>> >> > >> wrote:
> > >>>>> >> > >> >
> > >>>>> >> > >> >> Hi John
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>
> > >>>>> >> > >> >> Fixed it, Thank you for reminding me
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>
> > >>>>> >> > >> >> Very truly yours
> > >>>>> >> > >> >> Gary
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>
> > >>>>> >> > >> >> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 12:39 PM, John D. Ament <
> > >>>>> >> > johndament@apache.org
> > >>>>> >> > >> >
> > >>>>> >> > >> >> wrote:
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>> Please take a look at
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>> https://dist.apache.org/repos/
> > dist/dev/incubator/mnemonic/
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 1:55 PM Gang(Gary) Wang <
> > >>>>> garyw@apache.org
> > >>>>> >> >
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>> wrote:
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>> Hi John
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>> This issue has been fixed please refresh your browser
> > and
> > >>>>> then
> > >>>>> >> > review
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>> it, Thanks!
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>> Very truly yours
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>> Gary
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 10:33 AM, Gang(Gary) Wang <
> > >>>>> >> > garyw@apache.org>
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>> wrote:
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>> Hi John
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>> I didn't realize that and thank you very much for
> > >>>>> pointing it
> > >>>>> >> out,
> > >>>>> >> > >> we
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>> will correct this according to your guidance.
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>> Thanks!
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>> Very truly yours
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>> Gary
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 4:54 AM, John D. Ament <
> > >>>>> >> > >> johndament@apache.org>
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> Thanks, but you're still out of compliance.
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> - You're linking directly to your un-mirrored
> > >>>>> artifacts, but
> > >>>>> >> you
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> should be linking to your mirrored artifacts.
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> - You have not cleaned up your old releases, your
> old
> > >>>>> releases
> > >>>>> >> > >> should
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> be archived.
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> Now here's the catch - we require mirroring but I
> > can't
> > >>>>> find
> > >>>>> >> > >> anything
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> saying what the mirroring URL is. The format is
> going
> > >>>>> to be
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> http://apache.org/dyn/closer.cgi/incubator/mnemonic
> > >>>>> and you'll
> > >>>>> >> > >> want
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> to grab your specific version from there.
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> John
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 9:31 PM Gang(Gary) Wang <
> > >>>>> >> > garyw@apache.org>
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> Hi John,
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> The Download menu item has been added to the
> > navigator
> > >>>>> in home
> > >>>>> >> > >> page,
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> Please refresh your browser to review it, Thank you
> > >>>>> very much
> > >>>>> >> > for
> > >>>>> >> > >> the
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> suggestion.
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> Very truly yours
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> Gary
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 6:04 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <
> > >>>>> >> > >> garyw@apache.org>
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> Hi John,
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> You can download all versions of the package from
> > >>>>> Apache
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> distribution site that is linked from the
> following
> > >>>>> web page
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/
> > incubator-mnemonic/releases
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> Also, we can download them from Apache Mirrored
> > >>>>> Github page
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/
> > incubator-mnemonic/releases
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> We could add another menu item on top of home page
> > >>>>> dedicated
> > >>>>> >> > for
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> downloading the latest one.
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> Thanks!
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> Very truly yours
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> Gary
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 5:40 PM, John D. Ament <
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> johndament@apache.org> wrote:
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>> I'm looking at your website. How do I download
> > >>>>> Mnemonic?
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>> John
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 4:37 PM Gary Wong <
> > >>>>> >> qichfan@gmail.com>
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Uma
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Yes, We are going to send out this checklist for
> > >>>>> PPMC
> > >>>>> >> review,
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Thank you very much for the guidance.
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Very truly yours
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Gary
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Gangumalla,
> Uma <
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> uma.gangumalla@intel.com> wrote:
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> IMO, Mnemonic project doing good and ready for
> > >>>>> graduation.
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> What is the mentors call on this?
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> I remember many other projects do Maturity
> model
> > >>>>> checklist
> > >>>>> >> > to
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> check where
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> we are? Gary/John do you mind ready that sheet,
> > so
> > >>>>> that
> > >>>>> >> will
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> help to
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> assess better?
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Uma
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> On 8/16/17, 12:46 PM, "Johnu George" <
> > >>>>> johnu@apache.org>
> > >>>>> >> > >> wrote:
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >It seems that we are ready to be a top level
> > >>>>> project .
> > >>>>> >> We
> > >>>>> >> > >> have
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> a stable
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >release and we work well as a apache community
> > >>>>> under the
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> guidance of our
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >mentors. Any thoughts?
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 12:00 PM, Gang(Gary)
> > Wang <
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> garyw@apache.org> wrote:
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Dear John and Patrick,
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Thank you for the guidance, we have
> completed
> > >>>>> the
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> construction of
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>Mnemonic
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Website recently according to your feedback,
> > >>>>> this
> > >>>>> >> Apache
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> server hosted
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> website will be kept up to date and
> maintained
> > >>>>> by
> > >>>>> >> > dedicated
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> community
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> members. we also have redirected the
> visitors
> > >>>>> from
> > >>>>> >> > Github
> > >>>>> >> > >> to
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> our Apache
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> server hosted website by providing a forward
> > >>>>> link in
> > >>>>> >> > >> project
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> README.md
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> file. Please review it as follows.
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Note: the browser cache may cause unexpected
> > >>>>> view of
> > >>>>> >> this
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> website,
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>please
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> clear browser cache or visit it in incognito
> > >>>>> mode.
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Very truly yours.
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Gary
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 6:04 PM, John D.
> > Ament <
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> johndament@apache.org>
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> wrote:
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > Hi patrick,
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > I recently raised an issue with the
> website
> > >>>>> to the
> > >>>>> >> > >> team. I
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> personally
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > would like to see that fixed before a
> > >>>>> graduation.
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Specifically saying
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> that
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > you need to learn it from github.
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > John
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:15 PM Patrick
> > Hunt <
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> phunt@apache.org> wrote:
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > Given the recent work to bring on
> > >>>>> additional RMs
> > >>>>> >> (and
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> increase
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> community
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > involvement in general) and clearly
> > document
> > >>>>> >> release
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> procedures I
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>feel
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > that
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > my previous concerns have been largely
> > >>>>> addressed.
> > >>>>> >> If
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> there is
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>interest
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> in
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > the community I would now be in favor,
> but
> > >>>>> up to
> > >>>>> >> you
> > >>>>> >> > -
> > >>>>> >> > >> do
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> you feel
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> you're
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > ready to graduate at this point?
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > Regards,
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > Patrick
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 3:30 PM,
> Debojyoti
> > >>>>> Dutta <
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> ddutta@apache.org>
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > wrote:
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> On the diversity issue, we are trying
> to
> > >>>>> solve
> > >>>>> >> that
> > >>>>> >> > >> with
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> new
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> committers
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> from different organizations. We have
> had
> > >>>>> >> > >> contributions
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> from other
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> companies like Cisco recently.
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> This space is about to heat up soon and
> > we
> > >>>>> will
> > >>>>> >> see
> > >>>>> >> > >> more
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>committers.
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> cheers
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> debo
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Patrick
> > >>>>> Hunt <
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> phunt@apache.org>
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> wrote:
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > I've mentored a number of podlings
> over
> > >>>>> the
> > >>>>> >> years
> > >>>>> >> > >> and
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> this one if
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> very
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> well
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > run and is on a good trajectory. As
> > >>>>> noted my
> > >>>>> >> main
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> concern is
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>about
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > diversity - in particular
> > >>>>> "self-sustaining and
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> self-governing
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> communities".
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/gu
> > >>>>> ides/graduation.html#
> > >>>>> >> > community
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > That's pretty clear and concise
> > >>>>> statements from
> > >>>>> >> > the
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Apache
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>community
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > as
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> a
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > whole as to what it takes. The
> podling
> > is
> > >>>>> >> > following
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> "the apache
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>way"
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> quite
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > well, so it's really the sustaining
> > part
> > >>>>> for me.
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Ensuring that
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> community is
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > being built and the community as a
> > whole
> > >>>>> is
> > >>>>> >> owning
> > >>>>> >> > >> the
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> process.
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > Hope this helps, regards,
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > Patrick
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 2:24 PM,
> Andrew
> > >>>>> Purtell
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >><apurtell@apache.org
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > wrote:
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > For me the best test if a podling
> is
> > >>>>> ready for
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> graduation is
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>they
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> do
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> it
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > (mostly) for themselves. So,
> > Mnemonic,
> > >>>>> I'd
> > >>>>> >> > >> encourage
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> you to
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>search
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > through
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > the incubator mailing list archives
> > for
> > >>>>> >> examples
> > >>>>> >> > >> of
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> other
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>podlings
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > running
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > a graduation vote and submitting
> the
> > >>>>> result to
> > >>>>> >> > the
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> IPMC. Then,
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>do
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > it.
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > I'm glad to see the recent move to
> > >>>>> bring in
> > >>>>> >> more
> > >>>>> >> > >> RMs
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> in
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>response
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> to
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> the
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > earlier feedback, now that everyone
> > is
> > >>>>> aware
> > >>>>> >> of
> > >>>>> >> > >> it.
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, I
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> didn't
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> think
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > that the incubator report might not
> > be
> > >>>>> read
> > >>>>> >> > back.
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 5:42 PM,
> John
> > >>>>> D. Ament
> > >>>>> >> <
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > johndament@apache.org>
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > wrote:
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> Patrick,
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> I read it. I'm curious, did you
> or
> > >>>>> Andrew
> > >>>>> >> > share
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> your feedback
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> with
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> Mnemonic directly? I've noticed
> > that
> > >>>>> >> podlings
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> sometimes don't
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> see
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> the
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> input, and don't receive responses
> > >>>>> the way
> > >>>>> >> TLPs
> > >>>>> >> > >> do.
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> For the podling's information, we
> do
> > >>>>> also
> > >>>>> >> > >> maintain
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> a whimsy
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>page
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> of
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> all
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> approved board reports per
> project,
> > >>>>> Mnemonic
> > >>>>> >> > can
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> see that
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > information
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> here:
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> https://whimsy.apache.org/
> > >>>>> >> > board/minutes/Mnemonic
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> When I see a podling receiving 5
> > +1's
> > >>>>> on a
> > >>>>> >> dev
> > >>>>> >> > >> list
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> release
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>vote,
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > that's a
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> great sign.
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> There probably is room for more on
> > >>>>> list
> > >>>>> >> > >> discussion,
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> and yes
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>the
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > committer
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> diversity isn't 100% there (I
> would
> > be
> > >>>>> >> curious
> > >>>>> >> > to
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> see company
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> affiliations).
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> I'll also point out that I
> sometimes
> > >>>>> ask
> > >>>>> >> these
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> questions to
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > podlings
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> to
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> get
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> them to start thinking about
> > >>>>> graduation, not
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> actually moving
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > forward
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> yet
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> due to $reasons.
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 2:58 PM
> > >>>>> Patrick Hunt <
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> phunt@apache.org>
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> wrote:
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > Hi John, did you read my
> feedback
> > >>>>> on the
> > >>>>> >> most
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> recent podling
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> report?
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > Do
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > you disagree? I don't believe
> this
> > >>>>> has
> > >>>>> >> > changed
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>significantly in
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > the
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > past
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > month/two. For example all
> > releases
> > >>>>> have
> > >>>>> >> been
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> done by a
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>single
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> person.
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > https://wiki.apache.org/
> > >>>>> >> incubator/March2017
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > As I've mentioned previously my
> > only
> > >>>>> >> concerns
> > >>>>> >> > >> at
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> this point
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>are
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> around
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > diversity.
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > Patrick
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 11:07 AM,
> > >>>>> Gang(Gary)
> > >>>>> >> > >> Wang <
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > garyw@apache.org
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> wrote:
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> Hi John and PPMCs
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> As John advised, our community
> > and
> > >>>>> project
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> mnemonic might
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>be
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> ready to
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> get
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> graduated, I'd like to start
> the
> > >>>>> following
> > >>>>> >> > >> votes
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> according
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>to
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > the
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> processes
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> of
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/
> > guides/graduation.html
> > >>>>> with
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> your
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> mentoring
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> and guidance if no objection
> > today
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> - Community graduation vote
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> - IPMC recommendation vote
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> Mnemonic Project Incubation
> > Status
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/
> > projects/mnemonic.html
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> Very truly yours
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> +Gary
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 11:26
> PM,
> > >>>>> >> Gang(Gary)
> > >>>>> >> > >> Wang
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> <
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> garyw@apache.org>
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> wrote:
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Hi John
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Thank you for starting this
> > >>>>> discussion.
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Yes, our community is growing
> > and
> > >>>>> >> continue
> > >>>>> >> > >> to
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> attract
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>more
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> people
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > to
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> join
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > our community. Some industry
> > >>>>> users are
> > >>>>> >> > aware
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> of mnemonic
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>and
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > already
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> get
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > interested as i known.
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Mnemonic is able to deliver
> > >>>>> unique
> > >>>>> >> values
> > >>>>> >> > to
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> their
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>business
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > so I
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> think
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > that it is very important for
> > us
> > >>>>> to get
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> mnemonic
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>graduated
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> in
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> time
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > if
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > qualified.
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > My 2 cents, looks nothing
> left
> > >>>>> for us to
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> graduate
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>Mnemonic,
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > I'm
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > also
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > looking forward to propose
> our
> > >>>>> project
> > >>>>> >> as
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Apache TLP.
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Thanks!
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Very truly yours
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Gary
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > On Tuesday, May 2, 2017, John
> > D.
> > >>>>> Ament <
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> johndament@apache.org
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> wrote:
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > Hi Mnemonic PPMC,
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > After looking at your
> recent
> > >>>>> release,
> > >>>>> >> > your
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> current
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>growth
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > and
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > well
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > functioning PPMC, was
> wondering
> > >>>>> what was
> > >>>>> >> > >> left
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> for you
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>guys
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> to
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> graduate?
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > John
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > --
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > Best regards,
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > - Andy
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > If you are given a choice, you
> > believe
> > >>>>> you
> > >>>>> >> have
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> acted freely. -
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> Raymond
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > Teller (via Peter Watts)
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>
> > >>>>> >> > >> >>
> > >>>>> >> > >> >
> > >>>>> >> > >>
> > >>>>> >> > >
> > >>>>> >> > >
> > >>>>> >> >
> > >>>>> >>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >
> >
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation?
Posted by Gary Wong <qi...@gmail.com>.
Hi Patrick and Mentors
Thank you for the input and guidance.
I have visited the following page that you mentioned, it looks there are
some broken links.
https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#graduation_check_list
I paste two key sections here as a checklist for verification
-
Preparations
-
Complete (and sign off) tasks documented in the status file
<https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#notes-status>
Yes, it is up-to-date
-
Ensure suitable names
<https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#notes-names> for
project name and product names
Approved, https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-95
-
Demonstrate ability to create Apache releases
<https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#releases>
Release 8 versions and another one is WIP, involved 3 release managers
-
Demonstrate community readiness
<https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#community>
Our contributors come from different companies and show the diversity
and working on different components, all changes have been reviewed and
trackable. we have an open, positive and inclusive atmosphere for the
discussion
-
Ensure Mentors
<https://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Roles_and_Responsibilities.html#Mentor>
and IPMC
<https://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Roles_and_Responsibilities.html#Incubator+Project+Management+Committee+%28PMC%29>
have no remaining issues
<https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#notes-issues>
We have taken actions on issues from the discussion of graduation and
fulfilled the Apache maturity assessment
https://docs.google.com/document/d/10LKTjPMceV4s4MrSRIA9L8pg7jLFp-ec-TmW96mZbXM/edit?usp=sharing
-
Decide upon destination
<https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#subproject-or-top-level>
Would be Top-Level Project
-
Prepare a resolution
<https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#tlp-resolution> *(top
level candidates only)*.
We will prepare our resolution according to
https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#submission_of_the_resolution_to_the_board
template
https://svn.apache.org/repos/private/committers/board/templates/podling-tlp-resolution.txt
and some samples
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CRUNCH/Graduation+Resolution
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FINERACT/Graduation+Resolution
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DATAFU/Graduation+Resolution
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MADLIB/Graduation+Resolution
The resolution should be proposed on the general incubator list
<ge...@incubator.apache.org> before a *VOTE
<http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html>* is started to allow
feedback
-
Subproject acceptance *VOTE*
<https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#subproject-acceptance>
by destination Project *(*subproject* candidates only)*
NA
-
Incubator PMC (IPMC)
<https://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Roles_and_Responsibilities.html#Incubator+Project+Management+Committee+%28PMC%29>
:
-
For top level candidates, this is a recommendation *VOTE*
<https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#ipmc-top-level-recommendation>
See below.
-
For subproject candidates, this is a graduation approval *VOTE*
<https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#subproject-graduation>
NA
-
Final hand-over
<https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#notes-on-hand-over>
-
Consider post graduation tasks
<https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#project-first-steps>
Graduation to a top level project requires:
-
a charter for your project
https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#preparing_a_charter
-
a positive community graduation VOTE
<http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html>
https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#community_graduation_vote
-
a positive IPMC recommendation VOTE
<http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html>
I have not found a template for this vote, but we can refer to other
project's vote.
Samples
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201709.mbox/%3CCAOqetn_+Oub4Gtr4=hOv=cLeMYB0i=XeeWkoxiBPg1v+CWALyw@mail.gmail.com%3E
-
the acceptance of the resolution
<https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#tlp-resolution> by
the Board
so our next step would be to prepare a resolution, please help to verify it
and guide us to complete those steps for graduation, Thanks!
Very truly yours
Gary.
On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 6:36 PM, Patrick Hunt <ph...@apache.org> wrote:
> ps.
>
> > 3) Many contributed have voted +1s for this graduation
>
> keep in mind that this is the discussion thread and not a vote. Note (see
> the link to grad doc I just provided) that you need to do a couple things
> before the vote.
>
> Patrick
>
> On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 6:34 PM, Patrick Hunt <ph...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > I reviewed the status page earlier today and it looks up to date to me.
> > http://incubator.apache.org/projects/mnemonic.html
> >
> > Similarly the "preparation" steps have been followed afaict:
> > https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#
> graduation_check_list
> > namesearch <https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-95>
> > etc... signed off a while ago
> >
> > Patrick
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 4:54 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Let me summarize the discussion on graduation, Please refer to this
> email
> >> thread for details.
> >>
> >> 1) We have completed the website of Mnemonic that is required before
> >> graduation
> >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/
> >>
> >> 2) We have filled the Apache project maturity assessment for Mnemonic
> and
> >> fixed all gaps that would be helpful for graduation
> >> https://docs.google.com/document/d/10LKTjPMceV4s4MrSRIA9L8pg
> >> 7jLFp-ec-TmW96mZbXM/edit?usp=sharing
> >>
> >> 3) Many contributed have voted +1s for this graduation
> >>
> >> Please add yours if any before we are starting graduation votes, Thanks!
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >> Gary
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 9:51 AM, Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi John, Mentors and PPMCs
> >>>
> >>> Looks no new issues crop up for a few days, and many contributors are
> >>> positive and voted +1s for graduation, no negative from our community,
> so I
> >>> think this discussion could be settled down today and proceed to
> collect
> >>> votes from our community and IPMCs for graduation, please guide us if
> any
> >>> missing, misunderstanding and suggestion, Thanks!
> >>>
> >>> Very truly yours
> >>> Gary
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 12:18 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hi John, Mentors and PPMCs
> >>>>
> >>>> Looks we have resolved all the issues that you have pointed out for
> >>>> graduation, meanwhile, there are more contributors +1 for our
> project's
> >>>> graduation so, could we start the community graduation vote and IPMC
> >>>> graduation vote according to the following chart extracted from
> >>>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#community ?
> Thanks!
> >>>>
> >>>> [image: Inline image 1]
> >>>>
> >>>> Very truly yours
> >>>> Gary
> >>>>
> >>>> On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 11:22 PM, Wen Tong <pu...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> +1 support for graduation.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 5:35 AM, Wei HE <he...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> > +1 support for graduation.
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > Wei HE
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 4:40 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <garyw@apache.org
> >
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> >> Yes, I also totally agree this and we will try our best for the
> >>>>> readiness
> >>>>> >> for the graduation.
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> For the suggestion that John advised, we have prepared the
> following
> >>>>> >> comments for your review, Thanks!
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> *CD20 - You have a link in your header called GITHUB that brought
> >>>>> me to
> >>>>> >> your source code. Other projects use hacking guides. Unless
> >>>>> you're on
> >>>>> >> gitbox, the git primary repo should be the ASF hosted repos.*
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> The github link has been removed from CD20 and using
> >>>>> >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/develop/ as the link of
> >>>>> website. we
> >>>>> >> also create ticket MNEMONIC-355 (resolved) to remove Github link
> >>>>> from
> >>>>> >> navigator menu on website.
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> *CD30 - The usage of docker is in of itself a violation of this
> >>>>> item, from
> >>>>> >> my point of view. In your case, you're pointing to
> "centos:latest"
> >>>>> which
> >>>>> >> today is C7.2, but in a few months will be C7.3.*
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> Yes, we will fix it through Apache Jira MNEMONIC-353(reviewed) and
> >>>>> >> MNEMONIC-356(WIP)
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> *CD50 - I can't tell if the pull requests to your repo are from
> >>>>> committers
> >>>>> >> or from contributors. If I take
> >>>>> >> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/pull/60
> >>>>> >> <https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/pull/60> as an
> >>>>> example, the
> >>>>> >> commit message says nothing about provenance of the source code.*
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> We have requested to revoke all stalled PRs, and all commit
> >>>>> messages must
> >>>>> >> contain Apache JIRA number and title.
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> *LC50 - You mention in your response why this is incorrect (the
> use
> >>>>> of
> >>>>> >> *most*)*
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> Yes we will correct it with "The files in the project source
> >>>>> repository
> >>>>> >> have appropriate headers", The files under target/ that generated
> >>>>> by mvn
> >>>>> >> building process would be excluded and all other project files
> have
> >>>>> been
> >>>>> >> properly licensed and guarded by RAT plugin.
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> *RE10 - You link to http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/news/
> >>>>> >> <http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/news/> but that doesn't
> >>>>> include any
> >>>>> >> download links. http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/downloads/
> >>>>> >> <http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/downloads/> does include
> >>>>> download
> >>>>> >> links to the proper release mirrors.*
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> That has been corrected by replacing it with the link
> >>>>> >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/downloads/
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> *RE20 - You mention non-PMC members in the vote (PPMC).*
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> Yes, we started with the community vote for releasing and the
> result
> >>>>> >> explicitly shows binding and non-binding votes.
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> *RE30 - Again, not using mirror.*
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> Looks no mirror link in this field.
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> *RE40 - Correct answer would be "NO. We do not distribute binary
> >>>>> >> releases."*
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> Yes it is and corrected
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> *RE50 - Your release process neglects deleting old artifacts.*
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> Sorry I forgot it and corrected it by the Apache Jira ticket
> >>>>> MNEMONIC-357
> >>>>> >> (resolved) as well as MNEMONIC-358 (resolved)
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> *QU10 - Code quality is more than bug reports. You may want to
> use
> >>>>> >> linters, sonar, etc.*
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> Yes, we will investigate this plugin and apply them to project
> >>>>> later, as
> >>>>> >> for now, the QU10 has been replaced with "YES. The project records
> >>>>> all bugs
> >>>>> >> in the Apache’s JIRA issue tracker. Developer also uses Eclipse or
> >>>>> Intellij
> >>>>> >> IDEA to improve their code quality."
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> *QU20 - This is only achievable if you've had a security
> >>>>> vulnerability
> >>>>> >> reported. If you haven't had one reported, there's no way to
> >>>>> confirm
> >>>>> >> this.*
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> The QU20 has been replaced with "YES. Security issues would be
> >>>>> treated with
> >>>>> >> the highest priority, computing service and memory service are
> >>>>> separated
> >>>>> >> from other modules and defined by interfaces, so security concerns
> >>>>> could be
> >>>>> >> largely mitigated by introduced this design at first place.", that
> >>>>> this
> >>>>> >> emphasize we consider the security aspect from design viewpoint as
> >>>>> well.
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> *QU50 - I see that MNEMONIC-203/217 have been open for around 6
> >>>>> months.*
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> We have asked owners to properly handle those tickets
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> *CO10 - Github shows two pull requests open without any commentary
> >>>>> or
> >>>>> >> questions from the project's committers. Why is that?*
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> They are stalled PRs, we have asked the owner to properly revoke
> >>>>> them.
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> *The full checklist as follows for you to add comments*
> >>>>> >> https://docs.google.com/document/d/10LKTjPMceV4s4MrSRIA9L8pg7jLFp
> >>>>> >> -ec-TmW96mZbXM/edit?usp=sharing
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> Very truly yours
> >>>>> >> Gary
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 2:25 PM, John D. Ament <
> >>>>> johndament@apache.org>
> >>>>> >> wrote:
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> > Huge +1 to that.
> >>>>> >> >
> >>>>> >> > On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 5:18 PM Henry Saputra <
> >>>>> henry.saputra@gmail.com>
> >>>>> >> > wrote:
> >>>>> >> >
> >>>>> >> > > The "checklist" suppose to just provide guide for readiness
> our
> >>>>> >> > > graduation. It was NOT mandatory checklist.
> >>>>> >> > >
> >>>>> >> > > This should be used primarily for self check to make sure we
> >>>>> are ready
> >>>>> >> > for
> >>>>> >> > > graduation.
> >>>>> >> > >
> >>>>> >> > >
> >>>>> >> > > - Henry
> >>>>> >> > >
> >>>>> >> > > On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 7:50 PM, John D. Ament <
> >>>>> johndament@apache.org>
> >>>>> >> > > wrote:
> >>>>> >> > >
> >>>>> >> > >> Hello,
> >>>>> >> > >>
> >>>>> >> > >> So first, I'll say its always great to see a podling aim to
> >>>>> graduate.
> >>>>> >> > Its
> >>>>> >> > >> not up to me to measure whether the podling has been
> >>>>> successful or
> >>>>> >> not,
> >>>>> >> > >> but
> >>>>> >> > >> instead the IPMC as a whole. I can give you some feedback on
> >>>>> the APMM
> >>>>> >> > >> assessment, but I'll point out that I'm not a fan of this
> form
> >>>>> and
> >>>>> >> > >> completing this form is not a requirement for graduation.
> >>>>> >> > >>
> >>>>> >> > >> So please, when reviewing the below list, understand that
> >>>>> completing
> >>>>> >> > this
> >>>>> >> > >> is not a requirement for graduation. Even then, podlings who
> >>>>> think
> >>>>> >> they
> >>>>> >> > >> pass it may be missing things.
> >>>>> >> > >>
> >>>>> >> > >> CD20 - You have a link in your header called GITHUB that
> >>>>> brought me to
> >>>>> >> > >> your
> >>>>> >> > >> source code. Other projects use hacking guides. Unless
> >>>>> you're on
> >>>>> >> > gitbox,
> >>>>> >> > >> the git primary repo should be the ASF hosted repos.
> >>>>> >> > >>
> >>>>> >> > >> CD30 - The usage of docker is in of itself a violation of
> this
> >>>>> item,
> >>>>> >> > from
> >>>>> >> > >> my point of view. In your case, you're pointing to
> >>>>> "centos:latest"
> >>>>> >> > which
> >>>>> >> > >> today is C7.2, but in a few months will be C7.3.
> >>>>> >> > >>
> >>>>> >> > >> CD50 - I can't tell if the pull requests to your repo are
> from
> >>>>> >> > committers
> >>>>> >> > >> or from contributors. If I take
> >>>>> >> > >> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/pull/60 as an
> >>>>> example,
> >>>>> >> the
> >>>>> >> > >> commit message says nothing about provenance of the source
> >>>>> code.
> >>>>> >> > >>
> >>>>> >> > >> LC50 - You mention in your response why this is incorrect
> (the
> >>>>> use of
> >>>>> >> > >> *most*)
> >>>>> >> > >>
> >>>>> >> > >> RE10 - You link to http://mnemonic.incubator.
> apache.org/news/
> >>>>> but
> >>>>> >> that
> >>>>> >> > >> doesn't include any download links.
> >>>>> >> > >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/downloads/ does include
> >>>>> download
> >>>>> >> > >> links
> >>>>> >> > >> to the proper release mirrors.
> >>>>> >> > >>
> >>>>> >> > >> RE20 - You mention non-PMC members in the vote (PPMC).
> >>>>> >> > >>
> >>>>> >> > >> RE30 - Again, not using mirror.
> >>>>> >> > >>
> >>>>> >> > >> RE40 - Correct answer would be "NO. We do not distribute
> binary
> >>>>> >> > releases."
> >>>>> >> > >>
> >>>>> >> > >> RE50 - Your release process neglects deleting old artifacts.
> >>>>> >> > >>
> >>>>> >> > >> QU10 - Code quality is more than bug reports. You may want
> to
> >>>>> use
> >>>>> >> > >> linters,
> >>>>> >> > >> sonar, etc.
> >>>>> >> > >>
> >>>>> >> > >> QU20 - This is only achievable if you've had a security
> >>>>> vulnerability
> >>>>> >> > >> reported. If you haven't had one reported, there's no way to
> >>>>> confirm
> >>>>> >> > >> this.
> >>>>> >> > >>
> >>>>> >> > >> QU50 - I see that MNEMONIC-203/217 have been open for around
> 6
> >>>>> months.
> >>>>> >> > >>
> >>>>> >> > >> CO10 - Github shows two pull requests open without any
> >>>>> commentary or
> >>>>> >> > >> questions from the project's committers. Why is that?
> >>>>> >> > >>
> >>>>> >> > >> Regards,
> >>>>> >> > >>
> >>>>> >> > >> John
> >>>>> >> > >>
> >>>>> >> > >> On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 3:00 PM Gang(Gary) Wang <
> >>>>> garyw@apache.org>
> >>>>> >> > wrote:
> >>>>> >> > >>
> >>>>> >> > >> > Hi John, Our Mentors and PPMCs
> >>>>> >> > >> >
> >>>>> >> > >> > We have prepared Apache Maturity checklist for your
> >>>>> evaluation,
> >>>>> >> please
> >>>>> >> > >> > guide us to graduate our project, thanks.
> >>>>> >> > >> >
> >>>>> >> > >> > All comments and suggestions are welcome!
> >>>>> >> > >> >
> >>>>> >> > >> > Cheers!
> >>>>> >> > >> > Gary
> >>>>> >> > >> >
> >>>>> >> > >> >
> >>>>> >> > >> > On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 1:31 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <
> >>>>> garyw@apache.org>
> >>>>> >> > >> wrote:
> >>>>> >> > >> >
> >>>>> >> > >> >> Hi John
> >>>>> >> > >> >>
> >>>>> >> > >> >> Fixed it, Thank you for reminding me
> >>>>> >> > >> >>
> >>>>> >> > >> >> Very truly yours
> >>>>> >> > >> >> Gary
> >>>>> >> > >> >>
> >>>>> >> > >> >>
> >>>>> >> > >> >> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 12:39 PM, John D. Ament <
> >>>>> >> > johndament@apache.org
> >>>>> >> > >> >
> >>>>> >> > >> >> wrote:
> >>>>> >> > >> >>
> >>>>> >> > >> >>> Please take a look at
> >>>>> >> > >> >>> https://dist.apache.org/repos/
> dist/dev/incubator/mnemonic/
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>
> >>>>> >> > >> >>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 1:55 PM Gang(Gary) Wang <
> >>>>> garyw@apache.org
> >>>>> >> >
> >>>>> >> > >> >>> wrote:
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>> Hi John
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>> This issue has been fixed please refresh your browser
> and
> >>>>> then
> >>>>> >> > review
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>> it, Thanks!
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>> Very truly yours
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>> Gary
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 10:33 AM, Gang(Gary) Wang <
> >>>>> >> > garyw@apache.org>
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>> Hi John
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>> I didn't realize that and thank you very much for
> >>>>> pointing it
> >>>>> >> out,
> >>>>> >> > >> we
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>> will correct this according to your guidance.
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>> Thanks!
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>> Very truly yours
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>> Gary
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 4:54 AM, John D. Ament <
> >>>>> >> > >> johndament@apache.org>
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> Thanks, but you're still out of compliance.
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> - You're linking directly to your un-mirrored
> >>>>> artifacts, but
> >>>>> >> you
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> should be linking to your mirrored artifacts.
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> - You have not cleaned up your old releases, your old
> >>>>> releases
> >>>>> >> > >> should
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> be archived.
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> Now here's the catch - we require mirroring but I
> can't
> >>>>> find
> >>>>> >> > >> anything
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> saying what the mirroring URL is. The format is going
> >>>>> to be
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> http://apache.org/dyn/closer.cgi/incubator/mnemonic
> >>>>> and you'll
> >>>>> >> > >> want
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> to grab your specific version from there.
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> John
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 9:31 PM Gang(Gary) Wang <
> >>>>> >> > garyw@apache.org>
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> Hi John,
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> The Download menu item has been added to the
> navigator
> >>>>> in home
> >>>>> >> > >> page,
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> Please refresh your browser to review it, Thank you
> >>>>> very much
> >>>>> >> > for
> >>>>> >> > >> the
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> suggestion.
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> Very truly yours
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> Gary
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 6:04 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <
> >>>>> >> > >> garyw@apache.org>
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> Hi John,
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> You can download all versions of the package from
> >>>>> Apache
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> distribution site that is linked from the following
> >>>>> web page
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/
> incubator-mnemonic/releases
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> Also, we can download them from Apache Mirrored
> >>>>> Github page
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/
> incubator-mnemonic/releases
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> We could add another menu item on top of home page
> >>>>> dedicated
> >>>>> >> > for
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> downloading the latest one.
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> Thanks!
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> Very truly yours
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> Gary
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 5:40 PM, John D. Ament <
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> johndament@apache.org> wrote:
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>> I'm looking at your website. How do I download
> >>>>> Mnemonic?
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>> John
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 4:37 PM Gary Wong <
> >>>>> >> qichfan@gmail.com>
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Uma
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Yes, We are going to send out this checklist for
> >>>>> PPMC
> >>>>> >> review,
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Thank you very much for the guidance.
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Very truly yours
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Gary
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Gangumalla, Uma <
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> uma.gangumalla@intel.com> wrote:
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> IMO, Mnemonic project doing good and ready for
> >>>>> graduation.
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> What is the mentors call on this?
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> I remember many other projects do Maturity model
> >>>>> checklist
> >>>>> >> > to
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> check where
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> we are? Gary/John do you mind ready that sheet,
> so
> >>>>> that
> >>>>> >> will
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> help to
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> assess better?
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Uma
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> On 8/16/17, 12:46 PM, "Johnu George" <
> >>>>> johnu@apache.org>
> >>>>> >> > >> wrote:
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >It seems that we are ready to be a top level
> >>>>> project .
> >>>>> >> We
> >>>>> >> > >> have
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> a stable
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >release and we work well as a apache community
> >>>>> under the
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> guidance of our
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >mentors. Any thoughts?
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 12:00 PM, Gang(Gary)
> Wang <
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> garyw@apache.org> wrote:
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Dear John and Patrick,
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Thank you for the guidance, we have completed
> >>>>> the
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> construction of
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>Mnemonic
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Website recently according to your feedback,
> >>>>> this
> >>>>> >> Apache
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> server hosted
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> website will be kept up to date and maintained
> >>>>> by
> >>>>> >> > dedicated
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> community
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> members. we also have redirected the visitors
> >>>>> from
> >>>>> >> > Github
> >>>>> >> > >> to
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> our Apache
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> server hosted website by providing a forward
> >>>>> link in
> >>>>> >> > >> project
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> README.md
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> file. Please review it as follows.
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Note: the browser cache may cause unexpected
> >>>>> view of
> >>>>> >> this
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> website,
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>please
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> clear browser cache or visit it in incognito
> >>>>> mode.
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Very truly yours.
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Gary
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 6:04 PM, John D.
> Ament <
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> johndament@apache.org>
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> wrote:
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > Hi patrick,
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > I recently raised an issue with the website
> >>>>> to the
> >>>>> >> > >> team. I
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> personally
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > would like to see that fixed before a
> >>>>> graduation.
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Specifically saying
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> that
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > you need to learn it from github.
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > John
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:15 PM Patrick
> Hunt <
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> phunt@apache.org> wrote:
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > Given the recent work to bring on
> >>>>> additional RMs
> >>>>> >> (and
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> increase
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> community
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > involvement in general) and clearly
> document
> >>>>> >> release
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> procedures I
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>feel
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > that
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > my previous concerns have been largely
> >>>>> addressed.
> >>>>> >> If
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> there is
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>interest
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> in
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > the community I would now be in favor, but
> >>>>> up to
> >>>>> >> you
> >>>>> >> > -
> >>>>> >> > >> do
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> you feel
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> you're
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > ready to graduate at this point?
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > Regards,
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > Patrick
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 3:30 PM, Debojyoti
> >>>>> Dutta <
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> ddutta@apache.org>
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > wrote:
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> On the diversity issue, we are trying to
> >>>>> solve
> >>>>> >> that
> >>>>> >> > >> with
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> new
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> committers
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> from different organizations. We have had
> >>>>> >> > >> contributions
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> from other
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> companies like Cisco recently.
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> This space is about to heat up soon and
> we
> >>>>> will
> >>>>> >> see
> >>>>> >> > >> more
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>committers.
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> cheers
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> debo
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Patrick
> >>>>> Hunt <
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> phunt@apache.org>
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> wrote:
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > I've mentored a number of podlings over
> >>>>> the
> >>>>> >> years
> >>>>> >> > >> and
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> this one if
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> very
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> well
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > run and is on a good trajectory. As
> >>>>> noted my
> >>>>> >> main
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> concern is
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>about
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > diversity - in particular
> >>>>> "self-sustaining and
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> self-governing
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> communities".
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/gu
> >>>>> ides/graduation.html#
> >>>>> >> > community
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > That's pretty clear and concise
> >>>>> statements from
> >>>>> >> > the
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Apache
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>community
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > as
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> a
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > whole as to what it takes. The podling
> is
> >>>>> >> > following
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> "the apache
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>way"
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> quite
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > well, so it's really the sustaining
> part
> >>>>> for me.
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Ensuring that
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> community is
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > being built and the community as a
> whole
> >>>>> is
> >>>>> >> owning
> >>>>> >> > >> the
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> process.
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > Hope this helps, regards,
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > Patrick
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 2:24 PM, Andrew
> >>>>> Purtell
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >><apurtell@apache.org
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > wrote:
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > For me the best test if a podling is
> >>>>> ready for
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> graduation is
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>they
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> do
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> it
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > (mostly) for themselves. So,
> Mnemonic,
> >>>>> I'd
> >>>>> >> > >> encourage
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> you to
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>search
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > through
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > the incubator mailing list archives
> for
> >>>>> >> examples
> >>>>> >> > >> of
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> other
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>podlings
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > running
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > a graduation vote and submitting the
> >>>>> result to
> >>>>> >> > the
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> IPMC. Then,
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>do
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > it.
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > I'm glad to see the recent move to
> >>>>> bring in
> >>>>> >> more
> >>>>> >> > >> RMs
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> in
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>response
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> to
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> the
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > earlier feedback, now that everyone
> is
> >>>>> aware
> >>>>> >> of
> >>>>> >> > >> it.
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, I
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> didn't
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> think
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > that the incubator report might not
> be
> >>>>> read
> >>>>> >> > back.
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 5:42 PM, John
> >>>>> D. Ament
> >>>>> >> <
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > johndament@apache.org>
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > wrote:
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> Patrick,
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> I read it. I'm curious, did you or
> >>>>> Andrew
> >>>>> >> > share
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> your feedback
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> with
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> Mnemonic directly? I've noticed
> that
> >>>>> >> podlings
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> sometimes don't
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> see
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> the
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> input, and don't receive responses
> >>>>> the way
> >>>>> >> TLPs
> >>>>> >> > >> do.
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> For the podling's information, we do
> >>>>> also
> >>>>> >> > >> maintain
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> a whimsy
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>page
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> of
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> all
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> approved board reports per project,
> >>>>> Mnemonic
> >>>>> >> > can
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> see that
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > information
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> here:
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> https://whimsy.apache.org/
> >>>>> >> > board/minutes/Mnemonic
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> When I see a podling receiving 5
> +1's
> >>>>> on a
> >>>>> >> dev
> >>>>> >> > >> list
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> release
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>vote,
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > that's a
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> great sign.
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> There probably is room for more on
> >>>>> list
> >>>>> >> > >> discussion,
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> and yes
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>the
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > committer
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> diversity isn't 100% there (I would
> be
> >>>>> >> curious
> >>>>> >> > to
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> see company
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> affiliations).
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> I'll also point out that I sometimes
> >>>>> ask
> >>>>> >> these
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> questions to
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > podlings
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> to
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> get
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> them to start thinking about
> >>>>> graduation, not
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> actually moving
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > forward
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> yet
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> due to $reasons.
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 2:58 PM
> >>>>> Patrick Hunt <
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> phunt@apache.org>
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> wrote:
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > Hi John, did you read my feedback
> >>>>> on the
> >>>>> >> most
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> recent podling
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> report?
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > Do
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > you disagree? I don't believe this
> >>>>> has
> >>>>> >> > changed
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>significantly in
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > the
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > past
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > month/two. For example all
> releases
> >>>>> have
> >>>>> >> been
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> done by a
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>single
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> person.
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > https://wiki.apache.org/
> >>>>> >> incubator/March2017
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > As I've mentioned previously my
> only
> >>>>> >> concerns
> >>>>> >> > >> at
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> this point
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>are
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> around
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > diversity.
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > Patrick
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 11:07 AM,
> >>>>> Gang(Gary)
> >>>>> >> > >> Wang <
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > garyw@apache.org
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> wrote:
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> Hi John and PPMCs
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> As John advised, our community
> and
> >>>>> project
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> mnemonic might
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>be
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> ready to
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> get
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> graduated, I'd like to start the
> >>>>> following
> >>>>> >> > >> votes
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> according
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>to
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > the
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> processes
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> of
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/
> guides/graduation.html
> >>>>> with
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> your
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> mentoring
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> and guidance if no objection
> today
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> - Community graduation vote
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> - IPMC recommendation vote
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> Mnemonic Project Incubation
> Status
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/
> projects/mnemonic.html
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> Very truly yours
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> +Gary
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 11:26 PM,
> >>>>> >> Gang(Gary)
> >>>>> >> > >> Wang
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> <
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> garyw@apache.org>
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> wrote:
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Hi John
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Thank you for starting this
> >>>>> discussion.
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Yes, our community is growing
> and
> >>>>> >> continue
> >>>>> >> > >> to
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> attract
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>more
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> people
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > to
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> join
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > our community. Some industry
> >>>>> users are
> >>>>> >> > aware
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> of mnemonic
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>and
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > already
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> get
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > interested as i known.
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Mnemonic is able to deliver
> >>>>> unique
> >>>>> >> values
> >>>>> >> > to
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> their
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>business
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > so I
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> think
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > that it is very important for
> us
> >>>>> to get
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> mnemonic
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>graduated
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> in
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> time
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > if
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > qualified.
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > My 2 cents, looks nothing left
> >>>>> for us to
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> graduate
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>Mnemonic,
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > I'm
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > also
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > looking forward to propose our
> >>>>> project
> >>>>> >> as
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Apache TLP.
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Thanks!
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Very truly yours
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Gary
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > On Tuesday, May 2, 2017, John
> D.
> >>>>> Ament <
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> johndament@apache.org
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> wrote:
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > Hi Mnemonic PPMC,
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > After looking at your recent
> >>>>> release,
> >>>>> >> > your
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> current
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>growth
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > and
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > well
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > functioning PPMC, was wondering
> >>>>> what was
> >>>>> >> > >> left
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> for you
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>guys
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> to
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> graduate?
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > John
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > --
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > Best regards,
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > - Andy
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > If you are given a choice, you
> believe
> >>>>> you
> >>>>> >> have
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> acted freely. -
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> Raymond
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > Teller (via Peter Watts)
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>
> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>
> >>>>> >> > >> >>
> >>>>> >> > >> >
> >>>>> >> > >>
> >>>>> >> > >
> >>>>> >> > >
> >>>>> >> >
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation?
Posted by Patrick Hunt <ph...@apache.org>.
ps.
> 3) Many contributed have voted +1s for this graduation
keep in mind that this is the discussion thread and not a vote. Note (see
the link to grad doc I just provided) that you need to do a couple things
before the vote.
Patrick
On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 6:34 PM, Patrick Hunt <ph...@apache.org> wrote:
> I reviewed the status page earlier today and it looks up to date to me.
> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/mnemonic.html
>
> Similarly the "preparation" steps have been followed afaict:
> https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#graduation_check_list
> namesearch <https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-95>
> etc... signed off a while ago
>
> Patrick
>
> On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 4:54 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> Let me summarize the discussion on graduation, Please refer to this email
>> thread for details.
>>
>> 1) We have completed the website of Mnemonic that is required before
>> graduation
>> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/
>>
>> 2) We have filled the Apache project maturity assessment for Mnemonic and
>> fixed all gaps that would be helpful for graduation
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/10LKTjPMceV4s4MrSRIA9L8pg
>> 7jLFp-ec-TmW96mZbXM/edit?usp=sharing
>>
>> 3) Many contributed have voted +1s for this graduation
>>
>> Please add yours if any before we are starting graduation votes, Thanks!
>>
>> Cheers
>> Gary
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 9:51 AM, Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi John, Mentors and PPMCs
>>>
>>> Looks no new issues crop up for a few days, and many contributors are
>>> positive and voted +1s for graduation, no negative from our community, so I
>>> think this discussion could be settled down today and proceed to collect
>>> votes from our community and IPMCs for graduation, please guide us if any
>>> missing, misunderstanding and suggestion, Thanks!
>>>
>>> Very truly yours
>>> Gary
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 12:18 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi John, Mentors and PPMCs
>>>>
>>>> Looks we have resolved all the issues that you have pointed out for
>>>> graduation, meanwhile, there are more contributors +1 for our project's
>>>> graduation so, could we start the community graduation vote and IPMC
>>>> graduation vote according to the following chart extracted from
>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#community ? Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> [image: Inline image 1]
>>>>
>>>> Very truly yours
>>>> Gary
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 11:22 PM, Wen Tong <pu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> +1 support for graduation.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 5:35 AM, Wei HE <he...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> > +1 support for graduation.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Wei HE
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 4:40 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> Yes, I also totally agree this and we will try our best for the
>>>>> readiness
>>>>> >> for the graduation.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> For the suggestion that John advised, we have prepared the following
>>>>> >> comments for your review, Thanks!
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> *CD20 - You have a link in your header called GITHUB that brought
>>>>> me to
>>>>> >> your source code. Other projects use hacking guides. Unless
>>>>> you're on
>>>>> >> gitbox, the git primary repo should be the ASF hosted repos.*
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> The github link has been removed from CD20 and using
>>>>> >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/develop/ as the link of
>>>>> website. we
>>>>> >> also create ticket MNEMONIC-355 (resolved) to remove Github link
>>>>> from
>>>>> >> navigator menu on website.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> *CD30 - The usage of docker is in of itself a violation of this
>>>>> item, from
>>>>> >> my point of view. In your case, you're pointing to "centos:latest"
>>>>> which
>>>>> >> today is C7.2, but in a few months will be C7.3.*
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Yes, we will fix it through Apache Jira MNEMONIC-353(reviewed) and
>>>>> >> MNEMONIC-356(WIP)
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> *CD50 - I can't tell if the pull requests to your repo are from
>>>>> committers
>>>>> >> or from contributors. If I take
>>>>> >> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/pull/60
>>>>> >> <https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/pull/60> as an
>>>>> example, the
>>>>> >> commit message says nothing about provenance of the source code.*
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> We have requested to revoke all stalled PRs, and all commit
>>>>> messages must
>>>>> >> contain Apache JIRA number and title.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> *LC50 - You mention in your response why this is incorrect (the use
>>>>> of
>>>>> >> *most*)*
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Yes we will correct it with "The files in the project source
>>>>> repository
>>>>> >> have appropriate headers", The files under target/ that generated
>>>>> by mvn
>>>>> >> building process would be excluded and all other project files have
>>>>> been
>>>>> >> properly licensed and guarded by RAT plugin.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> *RE10 - You link to http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/news/
>>>>> >> <http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/news/> but that doesn't
>>>>> include any
>>>>> >> download links. http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/downloads/
>>>>> >> <http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/downloads/> does include
>>>>> download
>>>>> >> links to the proper release mirrors.*
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> That has been corrected by replacing it with the link
>>>>> >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/downloads/
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> *RE20 - You mention non-PMC members in the vote (PPMC).*
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Yes, we started with the community vote for releasing and the result
>>>>> >> explicitly shows binding and non-binding votes.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> *RE30 - Again, not using mirror.*
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Looks no mirror link in this field.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> *RE40 - Correct answer would be "NO. We do not distribute binary
>>>>> >> releases."*
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Yes it is and corrected
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> *RE50 - Your release process neglects deleting old artifacts.*
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Sorry I forgot it and corrected it by the Apache Jira ticket
>>>>> MNEMONIC-357
>>>>> >> (resolved) as well as MNEMONIC-358 (resolved)
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> *QU10 - Code quality is more than bug reports. You may want to use
>>>>> >> linters, sonar, etc.*
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Yes, we will investigate this plugin and apply them to project
>>>>> later, as
>>>>> >> for now, the QU10 has been replaced with "YES. The project records
>>>>> all bugs
>>>>> >> in the Apache’s JIRA issue tracker. Developer also uses Eclipse or
>>>>> Intellij
>>>>> >> IDEA to improve their code quality."
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> *QU20 - This is only achievable if you've had a security
>>>>> vulnerability
>>>>> >> reported. If you haven't had one reported, there's no way to
>>>>> confirm
>>>>> >> this.*
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> The QU20 has been replaced with "YES. Security issues would be
>>>>> treated with
>>>>> >> the highest priority, computing service and memory service are
>>>>> separated
>>>>> >> from other modules and defined by interfaces, so security concerns
>>>>> could be
>>>>> >> largely mitigated by introduced this design at first place.", that
>>>>> this
>>>>> >> emphasize we consider the security aspect from design viewpoint as
>>>>> well.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> *QU50 - I see that MNEMONIC-203/217 have been open for around 6
>>>>> months.*
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> We have asked owners to properly handle those tickets
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> *CO10 - Github shows two pull requests open without any commentary
>>>>> or
>>>>> >> questions from the project's committers. Why is that?*
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> They are stalled PRs, we have asked the owner to properly revoke
>>>>> them.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> *The full checklist as follows for you to add comments*
>>>>> >> https://docs.google.com/document/d/10LKTjPMceV4s4MrSRIA9L8pg7jLFp
>>>>> >> -ec-TmW96mZbXM/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Very truly yours
>>>>> >> Gary
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 2:25 PM, John D. Ament <
>>>>> johndament@apache.org>
>>>>> >> wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> > Huge +1 to that.
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 5:18 PM Henry Saputra <
>>>>> henry.saputra@gmail.com>
>>>>> >> > wrote:
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > > The "checklist" suppose to just provide guide for readiness our
>>>>> >> > > graduation. It was NOT mandatory checklist.
>>>>> >> > >
>>>>> >> > > This should be used primarily for self check to make sure we
>>>>> are ready
>>>>> >> > for
>>>>> >> > > graduation.
>>>>> >> > >
>>>>> >> > >
>>>>> >> > > - Henry
>>>>> >> > >
>>>>> >> > > On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 7:50 PM, John D. Ament <
>>>>> johndament@apache.org>
>>>>> >> > > wrote:
>>>>> >> > >
>>>>> >> > >> Hello,
>>>>> >> > >>
>>>>> >> > >> So first, I'll say its always great to see a podling aim to
>>>>> graduate.
>>>>> >> > Its
>>>>> >> > >> not up to me to measure whether the podling has been
>>>>> successful or
>>>>> >> not,
>>>>> >> > >> but
>>>>> >> > >> instead the IPMC as a whole. I can give you some feedback on
>>>>> the APMM
>>>>> >> > >> assessment, but I'll point out that I'm not a fan of this form
>>>>> and
>>>>> >> > >> completing this form is not a requirement for graduation.
>>>>> >> > >>
>>>>> >> > >> So please, when reviewing the below list, understand that
>>>>> completing
>>>>> >> > this
>>>>> >> > >> is not a requirement for graduation. Even then, podlings who
>>>>> think
>>>>> >> they
>>>>> >> > >> pass it may be missing things.
>>>>> >> > >>
>>>>> >> > >> CD20 - You have a link in your header called GITHUB that
>>>>> brought me to
>>>>> >> > >> your
>>>>> >> > >> source code. Other projects use hacking guides. Unless
>>>>> you're on
>>>>> >> > gitbox,
>>>>> >> > >> the git primary repo should be the ASF hosted repos.
>>>>> >> > >>
>>>>> >> > >> CD30 - The usage of docker is in of itself a violation of this
>>>>> item,
>>>>> >> > from
>>>>> >> > >> my point of view. In your case, you're pointing to
>>>>> "centos:latest"
>>>>> >> > which
>>>>> >> > >> today is C7.2, but in a few months will be C7.3.
>>>>> >> > >>
>>>>> >> > >> CD50 - I can't tell if the pull requests to your repo are from
>>>>> >> > committers
>>>>> >> > >> or from contributors. If I take
>>>>> >> > >> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/pull/60 as an
>>>>> example,
>>>>> >> the
>>>>> >> > >> commit message says nothing about provenance of the source
>>>>> code.
>>>>> >> > >>
>>>>> >> > >> LC50 - You mention in your response why this is incorrect (the
>>>>> use of
>>>>> >> > >> *most*)
>>>>> >> > >>
>>>>> >> > >> RE10 - You link to http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/news/
>>>>> but
>>>>> >> that
>>>>> >> > >> doesn't include any download links.
>>>>> >> > >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/downloads/ does include
>>>>> download
>>>>> >> > >> links
>>>>> >> > >> to the proper release mirrors.
>>>>> >> > >>
>>>>> >> > >> RE20 - You mention non-PMC members in the vote (PPMC).
>>>>> >> > >>
>>>>> >> > >> RE30 - Again, not using mirror.
>>>>> >> > >>
>>>>> >> > >> RE40 - Correct answer would be "NO. We do not distribute binary
>>>>> >> > releases."
>>>>> >> > >>
>>>>> >> > >> RE50 - Your release process neglects deleting old artifacts.
>>>>> >> > >>
>>>>> >> > >> QU10 - Code quality is more than bug reports. You may want to
>>>>> use
>>>>> >> > >> linters,
>>>>> >> > >> sonar, etc.
>>>>> >> > >>
>>>>> >> > >> QU20 - This is only achievable if you've had a security
>>>>> vulnerability
>>>>> >> > >> reported. If you haven't had one reported, there's no way to
>>>>> confirm
>>>>> >> > >> this.
>>>>> >> > >>
>>>>> >> > >> QU50 - I see that MNEMONIC-203/217 have been open for around 6
>>>>> months.
>>>>> >> > >>
>>>>> >> > >> CO10 - Github shows two pull requests open without any
>>>>> commentary or
>>>>> >> > >> questions from the project's committers. Why is that?
>>>>> >> > >>
>>>>> >> > >> Regards,
>>>>> >> > >>
>>>>> >> > >> John
>>>>> >> > >>
>>>>> >> > >> On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 3:00 PM Gang(Gary) Wang <
>>>>> garyw@apache.org>
>>>>> >> > wrote:
>>>>> >> > >>
>>>>> >> > >> > Hi John, Our Mentors and PPMCs
>>>>> >> > >> >
>>>>> >> > >> > We have prepared Apache Maturity checklist for your
>>>>> evaluation,
>>>>> >> please
>>>>> >> > >> > guide us to graduate our project, thanks.
>>>>> >> > >> >
>>>>> >> > >> > All comments and suggestions are welcome!
>>>>> >> > >> >
>>>>> >> > >> > Cheers!
>>>>> >> > >> > Gary
>>>>> >> > >> >
>>>>> >> > >> >
>>>>> >> > >> > On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 1:31 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <
>>>>> garyw@apache.org>
>>>>> >> > >> wrote:
>>>>> >> > >> >
>>>>> >> > >> >> Hi John
>>>>> >> > >> >>
>>>>> >> > >> >> Fixed it, Thank you for reminding me
>>>>> >> > >> >>
>>>>> >> > >> >> Very truly yours
>>>>> >> > >> >> Gary
>>>>> >> > >> >>
>>>>> >> > >> >>
>>>>> >> > >> >> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 12:39 PM, John D. Ament <
>>>>> >> > johndament@apache.org
>>>>> >> > >> >
>>>>> >> > >> >> wrote:
>>>>> >> > >> >>
>>>>> >> > >> >>> Please take a look at
>>>>> >> > >> >>> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/mnemonic/
>>>>> >> > >> >>>
>>>>> >> > >> >>>
>>>>> >> > >> >>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 1:55 PM Gang(Gary) Wang <
>>>>> garyw@apache.org
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > >> >>> wrote:
>>>>> >> > >> >>>
>>>>> >> > >> >>>> Hi John
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>
>>>>> >> > >> >>>> This issue has been fixed please refresh your browser and
>>>>> then
>>>>> >> > review
>>>>> >> > >> >>>> it, Thanks!
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>
>>>>> >> > >> >>>> Very truly yours
>>>>> >> > >> >>>> Gary
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>
>>>>> >> > >> >>>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 10:33 AM, Gang(Gary) Wang <
>>>>> >> > garyw@apache.org>
>>>>> >> > >> >>>> wrote:
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>> Hi John
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>> I didn't realize that and thank you very much for
>>>>> pointing it
>>>>> >> out,
>>>>> >> > >> we
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>> will correct this according to your guidance.
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>> Thanks!
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>> Very truly yours
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>> Gary
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 4:54 AM, John D. Ament <
>>>>> >> > >> johndament@apache.org>
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> Thanks, but you're still out of compliance.
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> - You're linking directly to your un-mirrored
>>>>> artifacts, but
>>>>> >> you
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> should be linking to your mirrored artifacts.
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> - You have not cleaned up your old releases, your old
>>>>> releases
>>>>> >> > >> should
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> be archived.
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> Now here's the catch - we require mirroring but I can't
>>>>> find
>>>>> >> > >> anything
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> saying what the mirroring URL is. The format is going
>>>>> to be
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> http://apache.org/dyn/closer.cgi/incubator/mnemonic
>>>>> and you'll
>>>>> >> > >> want
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> to grab your specific version from there.
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> John
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 9:31 PM Gang(Gary) Wang <
>>>>> >> > garyw@apache.org>
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> Hi John,
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> The Download menu item has been added to the navigator
>>>>> in home
>>>>> >> > >> page,
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> Please refresh your browser to review it, Thank you
>>>>> very much
>>>>> >> > for
>>>>> >> > >> the
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> suggestion.
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> Very truly yours
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> Gary
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 6:04 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <
>>>>> >> > >> garyw@apache.org>
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> Hi John,
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> You can download all versions of the package from
>>>>> Apache
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> distribution site that is linked from the following
>>>>> web page
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/releases
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> Also, we can download them from Apache Mirrored
>>>>> Github page
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/releases
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> We could add another menu item on top of home page
>>>>> dedicated
>>>>> >> > for
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> downloading the latest one.
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> Very truly yours
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> Gary
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 5:40 PM, John D. Ament <
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> johndament@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>> I'm looking at your website. How do I download
>>>>> Mnemonic?
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>> John
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 4:37 PM Gary Wong <
>>>>> >> qichfan@gmail.com>
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Uma
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Yes, We are going to send out this checklist for
>>>>> PPMC
>>>>> >> review,
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Thank you very much for the guidance.
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Very truly yours
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Gary
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Gangumalla, Uma <
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> uma.gangumalla@intel.com> wrote:
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> IMO, Mnemonic project doing good and ready for
>>>>> graduation.
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> What is the mentors call on this?
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> I remember many other projects do Maturity model
>>>>> checklist
>>>>> >> > to
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> check where
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> we are? Gary/John do you mind ready that sheet, so
>>>>> that
>>>>> >> will
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> help to
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> assess better?
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Uma
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> On 8/16/17, 12:46 PM, "Johnu George" <
>>>>> johnu@apache.org>
>>>>> >> > >> wrote:
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >It seems that we are ready to be a top level
>>>>> project .
>>>>> >> We
>>>>> >> > >> have
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> a stable
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >release and we work well as a apache community
>>>>> under the
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> guidance of our
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >mentors. Any thoughts?
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 12:00 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> garyw@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Dear John and Patrick,
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Thank you for the guidance, we have completed
>>>>> the
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> construction of
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>Mnemonic
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Website recently according to your feedback,
>>>>> this
>>>>> >> Apache
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> server hosted
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> website will be kept up to date and maintained
>>>>> by
>>>>> >> > dedicated
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> community
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> members. we also have redirected the visitors
>>>>> from
>>>>> >> > Github
>>>>> >> > >> to
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> our Apache
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> server hosted website by providing a forward
>>>>> link in
>>>>> >> > >> project
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> README.md
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> file. Please review it as follows.
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Note: the browser cache may cause unexpected
>>>>> view of
>>>>> >> this
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> website,
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>please
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> clear browser cache or visit it in incognito
>>>>> mode.
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Very truly yours.
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Gary
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 6:04 PM, John D. Ament <
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> johndament@apache.org>
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> wrote:
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > Hi patrick,
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > I recently raised an issue with the website
>>>>> to the
>>>>> >> > >> team. I
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> personally
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > would like to see that fixed before a
>>>>> graduation.
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Specifically saying
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> that
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > you need to learn it from github.
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > John
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:15 PM Patrick Hunt <
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> phunt@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > Given the recent work to bring on
>>>>> additional RMs
>>>>> >> (and
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> increase
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> community
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > involvement in general) and clearly document
>>>>> >> release
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> procedures I
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>feel
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > that
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > my previous concerns have been largely
>>>>> addressed.
>>>>> >> If
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> there is
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>interest
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> in
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > the community I would now be in favor, but
>>>>> up to
>>>>> >> you
>>>>> >> > -
>>>>> >> > >> do
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> you feel
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> you're
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > ready to graduate at this point?
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > Regards,
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > Patrick
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 3:30 PM, Debojyoti
>>>>> Dutta <
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> ddutta@apache.org>
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > wrote:
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> On the diversity issue, we are trying to
>>>>> solve
>>>>> >> that
>>>>> >> > >> with
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> new
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> committers
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> from different organizations. We have had
>>>>> >> > >> contributions
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> from other
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> companies like Cisco recently.
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> This space is about to heat up soon and we
>>>>> will
>>>>> >> see
>>>>> >> > >> more
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>committers.
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> cheers
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> debo
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Patrick
>>>>> Hunt <
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> phunt@apache.org>
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> wrote:
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > I've mentored a number of podlings over
>>>>> the
>>>>> >> years
>>>>> >> > >> and
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> this one if
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> very
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> well
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > run and is on a good trajectory. As
>>>>> noted my
>>>>> >> main
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> concern is
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>about
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > diversity - in particular
>>>>> "self-sustaining and
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> self-governing
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> communities".
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/gu
>>>>> ides/graduation.html#
>>>>> >> > community
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > That's pretty clear and concise
>>>>> statements from
>>>>> >> > the
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Apache
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>community
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > as
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> a
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > whole as to what it takes. The podling is
>>>>> >> > following
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> "the apache
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>way"
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> quite
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > well, so it's really the sustaining part
>>>>> for me.
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Ensuring that
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> community is
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > being built and the community as a whole
>>>>> is
>>>>> >> owning
>>>>> >> > >> the
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> process.
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > Hope this helps, regards,
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > Patrick
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 2:24 PM, Andrew
>>>>> Purtell
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >><apurtell@apache.org
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > wrote:
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > For me the best test if a podling is
>>>>> ready for
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> graduation is
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>they
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> do
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> it
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > (mostly) for themselves. So, Mnemonic,
>>>>> I'd
>>>>> >> > >> encourage
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> you to
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>search
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > through
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > the incubator mailing list archives for
>>>>> >> examples
>>>>> >> > >> of
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>podlings
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > running
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > a graduation vote and submitting the
>>>>> result to
>>>>> >> > the
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> IPMC. Then,
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>do
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > it.
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > I'm glad to see the recent move to
>>>>> bring in
>>>>> >> more
>>>>> >> > >> RMs
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>response
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> to
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> the
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > earlier feedback, now that everyone is
>>>>> aware
>>>>> >> of
>>>>> >> > >> it.
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, I
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> didn't
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> think
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > that the incubator report might not be
>>>>> read
>>>>> >> > back.
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 5:42 PM, John
>>>>> D. Ament
>>>>> >> <
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > johndament@apache.org>
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > wrote:
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> Patrick,
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> I read it. I'm curious, did you or
>>>>> Andrew
>>>>> >> > share
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> your feedback
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> with
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> Mnemonic directly? I've noticed that
>>>>> >> podlings
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> sometimes don't
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> see
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> the
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> input, and don't receive responses
>>>>> the way
>>>>> >> TLPs
>>>>> >> > >> do.
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> For the podling's information, we do
>>>>> also
>>>>> >> > >> maintain
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> a whimsy
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>page
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> of
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> all
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> approved board reports per project,
>>>>> Mnemonic
>>>>> >> > can
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> see that
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > information
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> here:
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> https://whimsy.apache.org/
>>>>> >> > board/minutes/Mnemonic
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> When I see a podling receiving 5 +1's
>>>>> on a
>>>>> >> dev
>>>>> >> > >> list
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> release
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>vote,
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > that's a
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> great sign.
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> There probably is room for more on
>>>>> list
>>>>> >> > >> discussion,
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> and yes
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>the
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > committer
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> diversity isn't 100% there (I would be
>>>>> >> curious
>>>>> >> > to
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> see company
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> affiliations).
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> I'll also point out that I sometimes
>>>>> ask
>>>>> >> these
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> questions to
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > podlings
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> to
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> get
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> them to start thinking about
>>>>> graduation, not
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> actually moving
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > forward
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> yet
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> due to $reasons.
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 2:58 PM
>>>>> Patrick Hunt <
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> phunt@apache.org>
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> wrote:
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > Hi John, did you read my feedback
>>>>> on the
>>>>> >> most
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> recent podling
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> report?
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > Do
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > you disagree? I don't believe this
>>>>> has
>>>>> >> > changed
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>significantly in
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > the
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > past
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > month/two. For example all releases
>>>>> have
>>>>> >> been
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> done by a
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>single
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> person.
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > https://wiki.apache.org/
>>>>> >> incubator/March2017
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > As I've mentioned previously my only
>>>>> >> concerns
>>>>> >> > >> at
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> this point
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>are
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> around
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > diversity.
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > Patrick
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 11:07 AM,
>>>>> Gang(Gary)
>>>>> >> > >> Wang <
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > garyw@apache.org
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> wrote:
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> Hi John and PPMCs
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> As John advised, our community and
>>>>> project
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> mnemonic might
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>be
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> ready to
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> get
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> graduated, I'd like to start the
>>>>> following
>>>>> >> > >> votes
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> according
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>to
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > the
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> processes
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> of
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html
>>>>> with
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> your
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> mentoring
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> and guidance if no objection today
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> - Community graduation vote
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> - IPMC recommendation vote
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> Mnemonic Project Incubation Status
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/mnemonic.html
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> Very truly yours
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> +Gary
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 11:26 PM,
>>>>> >> Gang(Gary)
>>>>> >> > >> Wang
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> <
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> garyw@apache.org>
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> wrote:
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Hi John
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Thank you for starting this
>>>>> discussion.
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Yes, our community is growing and
>>>>> >> continue
>>>>> >> > >> to
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> attract
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>more
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> people
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > to
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> join
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > our community. Some industry
>>>>> users are
>>>>> >> > aware
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> of mnemonic
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>and
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > already
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> get
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > interested as i known.
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Mnemonic is able to deliver
>>>>> unique
>>>>> >> values
>>>>> >> > to
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>business
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > so I
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> think
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > that it is very important for us
>>>>> to get
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> mnemonic
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>graduated
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> in
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> time
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > if
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > qualified.
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > My 2 cents, looks nothing left
>>>>> for us to
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> graduate
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>Mnemonic,
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > I'm
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > also
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > looking forward to propose our
>>>>> project
>>>>> >> as
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Apache TLP.
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Thanks!
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Very truly yours
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Gary
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > On Tuesday, May 2, 2017, John D.
>>>>> Ament <
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> johndament@apache.org
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> wrote:
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > Hi Mnemonic PPMC,
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > After looking at your recent
>>>>> release,
>>>>> >> > your
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> current
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>growth
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > and
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > well
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > functioning PPMC, was wondering
>>>>> what was
>>>>> >> > >> left
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> for you
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>guys
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> to
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> graduate?
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > John
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > --
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > Best regards,
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > - Andy
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > If you are given a choice, you believe
>>>>> you
>>>>> >> have
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> acted freely. -
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> Raymond
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > Teller (via Peter Watts)
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>
>>>>> >> > >> >>>>
>>>>> >> > >> >>
>>>>> >> > >> >
>>>>> >> > >>
>>>>> >> > >
>>>>> >> > >
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation?
Posted by Patrick Hunt <ph...@apache.org>.
I reviewed the status page earlier today and it looks up to date to me.
http://incubator.apache.org/projects/mnemonic.html
Similarly the "preparation" steps have been followed afaict:
https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#graduation_check_list
namesearch <https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-95>
etc... signed off a while ago
Patrick
On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 4:54 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org> wrote:
> Let me summarize the discussion on graduation, Please refer to this email
> thread for details.
>
> 1) We have completed the website of Mnemonic that is required before
> graduation
> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/
>
> 2) We have filled the Apache project maturity assessment for Mnemonic and
> fixed all gaps that would be helpful for graduation
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/10LKTjPMceV4s4MrSRIA9L8pg7jLFp
> -ec-TmW96mZbXM/edit?usp=sharing
>
> 3) Many contributed have voted +1s for this graduation
>
> Please add yours if any before we are starting graduation votes, Thanks!
>
> Cheers
> Gary
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 9:51 AM, Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi John, Mentors and PPMCs
>>
>> Looks no new issues crop up for a few days, and many contributors are
>> positive and voted +1s for graduation, no negative from our community, so I
>> think this discussion could be settled down today and proceed to collect
>> votes from our community and IPMCs for graduation, please guide us if any
>> missing, misunderstanding and suggestion, Thanks!
>>
>> Very truly yours
>> Gary
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 12:18 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi John, Mentors and PPMCs
>>>
>>> Looks we have resolved all the issues that you have pointed out for
>>> graduation, meanwhile, there are more contributors +1 for our project's
>>> graduation so, could we start the community graduation vote and IPMC
>>> graduation vote according to the following chart extracted from
>>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#community ? Thanks!
>>>
>>> [image: Inline image 1]
>>>
>>> Very truly yours
>>> Gary
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 11:22 PM, Wen Tong <pu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> +1 support for graduation.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 5:35 AM, Wei HE <he...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> > +1 support for graduation.
>>>> >
>>>> > Wei HE
>>>> >
>>>> > On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 4:40 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> Yes, I also totally agree this and we will try our best for the
>>>> readiness
>>>> >> for the graduation.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> For the suggestion that John advised, we have prepared the following
>>>> >> comments for your review, Thanks!
>>>> >>
>>>> >> *CD20 - You have a link in your header called GITHUB that brought me
>>>> to
>>>> >> your source code. Other projects use hacking guides. Unless you're
>>>> on
>>>> >> gitbox, the git primary repo should be the ASF hosted repos.*
>>>> >>
>>>> >> The github link has been removed from CD20 and using
>>>> >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/develop/ as the link of
>>>> website. we
>>>> >> also create ticket MNEMONIC-355 (resolved) to remove Github link from
>>>> >> navigator menu on website.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> *CD30 - The usage of docker is in of itself a violation of this
>>>> item, from
>>>> >> my point of view. In your case, you're pointing to "centos:latest"
>>>> which
>>>> >> today is C7.2, but in a few months will be C7.3.*
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Yes, we will fix it through Apache Jira MNEMONIC-353(reviewed) and
>>>> >> MNEMONIC-356(WIP)
>>>> >>
>>>> >> *CD50 - I can't tell if the pull requests to your repo are from
>>>> committers
>>>> >> or from contributors. If I take
>>>> >> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/pull/60
>>>> >> <https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/pull/60> as an
>>>> example, the
>>>> >> commit message says nothing about provenance of the source code.*
>>>> >>
>>>> >> We have requested to revoke all stalled PRs, and all commit messages
>>>> must
>>>> >> contain Apache JIRA number and title.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> *LC50 - You mention in your response why this is incorrect (the use
>>>> of
>>>> >> *most*)*
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Yes we will correct it with "The files in the project source
>>>> repository
>>>> >> have appropriate headers", The files under target/ that generated by
>>>> mvn
>>>> >> building process would be excluded and all other project files have
>>>> been
>>>> >> properly licensed and guarded by RAT plugin.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> *RE10 - You link to http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/news/
>>>> >> <http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/news/> but that doesn't
>>>> include any
>>>> >> download links. http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/downloads/
>>>> >> <http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/downloads/> does include
>>>> download
>>>> >> links to the proper release mirrors.*
>>>> >>
>>>> >> That has been corrected by replacing it with the link
>>>> >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/downloads/
>>>> >>
>>>> >> *RE20 - You mention non-PMC members in the vote (PPMC).*
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Yes, we started with the community vote for releasing and the result
>>>> >> explicitly shows binding and non-binding votes.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> *RE30 - Again, not using mirror.*
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Looks no mirror link in this field.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> *RE40 - Correct answer would be "NO. We do not distribute binary
>>>> >> releases."*
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Yes it is and corrected
>>>> >>
>>>> >> *RE50 - Your release process neglects deleting old artifacts.*
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Sorry I forgot it and corrected it by the Apache Jira ticket
>>>> MNEMONIC-357
>>>> >> (resolved) as well as MNEMONIC-358 (resolved)
>>>> >>
>>>> >> *QU10 - Code quality is more than bug reports. You may want to use
>>>> >> linters, sonar, etc.*
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Yes, we will investigate this plugin and apply them to project
>>>> later, as
>>>> >> for now, the QU10 has been replaced with "YES. The project records
>>>> all bugs
>>>> >> in the Apache’s JIRA issue tracker. Developer also uses Eclipse or
>>>> Intellij
>>>> >> IDEA to improve their code quality."
>>>> >>
>>>> >> *QU20 - This is only achievable if you've had a security
>>>> vulnerability
>>>> >> reported. If you haven't had one reported, there's no way to confirm
>>>> >> this.*
>>>> >>
>>>> >> The QU20 has been replaced with "YES. Security issues would be
>>>> treated with
>>>> >> the highest priority, computing service and memory service are
>>>> separated
>>>> >> from other modules and defined by interfaces, so security concerns
>>>> could be
>>>> >> largely mitigated by introduced this design at first place.", that
>>>> this
>>>> >> emphasize we consider the security aspect from design viewpoint as
>>>> well.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> *QU50 - I see that MNEMONIC-203/217 have been open for around 6
>>>> months.*
>>>> >>
>>>> >> We have asked owners to properly handle those tickets
>>>> >>
>>>> >> *CO10 - Github shows two pull requests open without any commentary or
>>>> >> questions from the project's committers. Why is that?*
>>>> >>
>>>> >> They are stalled PRs, we have asked the owner to properly revoke
>>>> them.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> *The full checklist as follows for you to add comments*
>>>> >> https://docs.google.com/document/d/10LKTjPMceV4s4MrSRIA9L8pg7jLFp
>>>> >> -ec-TmW96mZbXM/edit?usp=sharing
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Very truly yours
>>>> >> Gary
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 2:25 PM, John D. Ament <
>>>> johndament@apache.org>
>>>> >> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> > Huge +1 to that.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 5:18 PM Henry Saputra <
>>>> henry.saputra@gmail.com>
>>>> >> > wrote:
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > > The "checklist" suppose to just provide guide for readiness our
>>>> >> > > graduation. It was NOT mandatory checklist.
>>>> >> > >
>>>> >> > > This should be used primarily for self check to make sure we are
>>>> ready
>>>> >> > for
>>>> >> > > graduation.
>>>> >> > >
>>>> >> > >
>>>> >> > > - Henry
>>>> >> > >
>>>> >> > > On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 7:50 PM, John D. Ament <
>>>> johndament@apache.org>
>>>> >> > > wrote:
>>>> >> > >
>>>> >> > >> Hello,
>>>> >> > >>
>>>> >> > >> So first, I'll say its always great to see a podling aim to
>>>> graduate.
>>>> >> > Its
>>>> >> > >> not up to me to measure whether the podling has been successful
>>>> or
>>>> >> not,
>>>> >> > >> but
>>>> >> > >> instead the IPMC as a whole. I can give you some feedback on
>>>> the APMM
>>>> >> > >> assessment, but I'll point out that I'm not a fan of this form
>>>> and
>>>> >> > >> completing this form is not a requirement for graduation.
>>>> >> > >>
>>>> >> > >> So please, when reviewing the below list, understand that
>>>> completing
>>>> >> > this
>>>> >> > >> is not a requirement for graduation. Even then, podlings who
>>>> think
>>>> >> they
>>>> >> > >> pass it may be missing things.
>>>> >> > >>
>>>> >> > >> CD20 - You have a link in your header called GITHUB that
>>>> brought me to
>>>> >> > >> your
>>>> >> > >> source code. Other projects use hacking guides. Unless you're
>>>> on
>>>> >> > gitbox,
>>>> >> > >> the git primary repo should be the ASF hosted repos.
>>>> >> > >>
>>>> >> > >> CD30 - The usage of docker is in of itself a violation of this
>>>> item,
>>>> >> > from
>>>> >> > >> my point of view. In your case, you're pointing to
>>>> "centos:latest"
>>>> >> > which
>>>> >> > >> today is C7.2, but in a few months will be C7.3.
>>>> >> > >>
>>>> >> > >> CD50 - I can't tell if the pull requests to your repo are from
>>>> >> > committers
>>>> >> > >> or from contributors. If I take
>>>> >> > >> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/pull/60 as an
>>>> example,
>>>> >> the
>>>> >> > >> commit message says nothing about provenance of the source code.
>>>> >> > >>
>>>> >> > >> LC50 - You mention in your response why this is incorrect (the
>>>> use of
>>>> >> > >> *most*)
>>>> >> > >>
>>>> >> > >> RE10 - You link to http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/news/
>>>> but
>>>> >> that
>>>> >> > >> doesn't include any download links.
>>>> >> > >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/downloads/ does include
>>>> download
>>>> >> > >> links
>>>> >> > >> to the proper release mirrors.
>>>> >> > >>
>>>> >> > >> RE20 - You mention non-PMC members in the vote (PPMC).
>>>> >> > >>
>>>> >> > >> RE30 - Again, not using mirror.
>>>> >> > >>
>>>> >> > >> RE40 - Correct answer would be "NO. We do not distribute binary
>>>> >> > releases."
>>>> >> > >>
>>>> >> > >> RE50 - Your release process neglects deleting old artifacts.
>>>> >> > >>
>>>> >> > >> QU10 - Code quality is more than bug reports. You may want to
>>>> use
>>>> >> > >> linters,
>>>> >> > >> sonar, etc.
>>>> >> > >>
>>>> >> > >> QU20 - This is only achievable if you've had a security
>>>> vulnerability
>>>> >> > >> reported. If you haven't had one reported, there's no way to
>>>> confirm
>>>> >> > >> this.
>>>> >> > >>
>>>> >> > >> QU50 - I see that MNEMONIC-203/217 have been open for around 6
>>>> months.
>>>> >> > >>
>>>> >> > >> CO10 - Github shows two pull requests open without any
>>>> commentary or
>>>> >> > >> questions from the project's committers. Why is that?
>>>> >> > >>
>>>> >> > >> Regards,
>>>> >> > >>
>>>> >> > >> John
>>>> >> > >>
>>>> >> > >> On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 3:00 PM Gang(Gary) Wang <
>>>> garyw@apache.org>
>>>> >> > wrote:
>>>> >> > >>
>>>> >> > >> > Hi John, Our Mentors and PPMCs
>>>> >> > >> >
>>>> >> > >> > We have prepared Apache Maturity checklist for your
>>>> evaluation,
>>>> >> please
>>>> >> > >> > guide us to graduate our project, thanks.
>>>> >> > >> >
>>>> >> > >> > All comments and suggestions are welcome!
>>>> >> > >> >
>>>> >> > >> > Cheers!
>>>> >> > >> > Gary
>>>> >> > >> >
>>>> >> > >> >
>>>> >> > >> > On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 1:31 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <
>>>> garyw@apache.org>
>>>> >> > >> wrote:
>>>> >> > >> >
>>>> >> > >> >> Hi John
>>>> >> > >> >>
>>>> >> > >> >> Fixed it, Thank you for reminding me
>>>> >> > >> >>
>>>> >> > >> >> Very truly yours
>>>> >> > >> >> Gary
>>>> >> > >> >>
>>>> >> > >> >>
>>>> >> > >> >> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 12:39 PM, John D. Ament <
>>>> >> > johndament@apache.org
>>>> >> > >> >
>>>> >> > >> >> wrote:
>>>> >> > >> >>
>>>> >> > >> >>> Please take a look at
>>>> >> > >> >>> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/mnemonic/
>>>> >> > >> >>>
>>>> >> > >> >>>
>>>> >> > >> >>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 1:55 PM Gang(Gary) Wang <
>>>> garyw@apache.org
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > >> >>> wrote:
>>>> >> > >> >>>
>>>> >> > >> >>>> Hi John
>>>> >> > >> >>>>
>>>> >> > >> >>>> This issue has been fixed please refresh your browser and
>>>> then
>>>> >> > review
>>>> >> > >> >>>> it, Thanks!
>>>> >> > >> >>>>
>>>> >> > >> >>>> Very truly yours
>>>> >> > >> >>>> Gary
>>>> >> > >> >>>>
>>>> >> > >> >>>>
>>>> >> > >> >>>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 10:33 AM, Gang(Gary) Wang <
>>>> >> > garyw@apache.org>
>>>> >> > >> >>>> wrote:
>>>> >> > >> >>>>
>>>> >> > >> >>>>> Hi John
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>
>>>> >> > >> >>>>> I didn't realize that and thank you very much for
>>>> pointing it
>>>> >> out,
>>>> >> > >> we
>>>> >> > >> >>>>> will correct this according to your guidance.
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>
>>>> >> > >> >>>>> Thanks!
>>>> >> > >> >>>>> Very truly yours
>>>> >> > >> >>>>> Gary
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>
>>>> >> > >> >>>>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 4:54 AM, John D. Ament <
>>>> >> > >> johndament@apache.org>
>>>> >> > >> >>>>> wrote:
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> Thanks, but you're still out of compliance.
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> - You're linking directly to your un-mirrored artifacts,
>>>> but
>>>> >> you
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> should be linking to your mirrored artifacts.
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> - You have not cleaned up your old releases, your old
>>>> releases
>>>> >> > >> should
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> be archived.
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> Now here's the catch - we require mirroring but I can't
>>>> find
>>>> >> > >> anything
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> saying what the mirroring URL is. The format is going
>>>> to be
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> http://apache.org/dyn/closer.cgi/incubator/mnemonic and
>>>> you'll
>>>> >> > >> want
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> to grab your specific version from there.
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> John
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 9:31 PM Gang(Gary) Wang <
>>>> >> > garyw@apache.org>
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> wrote:
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> Hi John,
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> The Download menu item has been added to the navigator
>>>> in home
>>>> >> > >> page,
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> Please refresh your browser to review it, Thank you
>>>> very much
>>>> >> > for
>>>> >> > >> the
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> suggestion.
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> Very truly yours
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> Gary
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 6:04 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <
>>>> >> > >> garyw@apache.org>
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> wrote:
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> Hi John,
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> You can download all versions of the package from
>>>> Apache
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> distribution site that is linked from the following
>>>> web page
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/releases
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> Also, we can download them from Apache Mirrored Github
>>>> page
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/releases
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> We could add another menu item on top of home page
>>>> dedicated
>>>> >> > for
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> downloading the latest one.
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> Very truly yours
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> Gary
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 5:40 PM, John D. Ament <
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> johndament@apache.org> wrote:
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>> I'm looking at your website. How do I download
>>>> Mnemonic?
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>> John
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 4:37 PM Gary Wong <
>>>> >> qichfan@gmail.com>
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Uma
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Yes, We are going to send out this checklist for PPMC
>>>> >> review,
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Thank you very much for the guidance.
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Very truly yours
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Gary
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Gangumalla, Uma <
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> uma.gangumalla@intel.com> wrote:
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> IMO, Mnemonic project doing good and ready for
>>>> graduation.
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> What is the mentors call on this?
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> I remember many other projects do Maturity model
>>>> checklist
>>>> >> > to
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> check where
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> we are? Gary/John do you mind ready that sheet, so
>>>> that
>>>> >> will
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> help to
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> assess better?
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Uma
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> On 8/16/17, 12:46 PM, "Johnu George" <
>>>> johnu@apache.org>
>>>> >> > >> wrote:
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >It seems that we are ready to be a top level
>>>> project .
>>>> >> We
>>>> >> > >> have
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> a stable
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >release and we work well as a apache community
>>>> under the
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> guidance of our
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >mentors. Any thoughts?
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 12:00 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> garyw@apache.org> wrote:
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Dear John and Patrick,
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Thank you for the guidance, we have completed the
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> construction of
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>Mnemonic
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Website recently according to your feedback, this
>>>> >> Apache
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> server hosted
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> website will be kept up to date and maintained by
>>>> >> > dedicated
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> community
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> members. we also have redirected the visitors
>>>> from
>>>> >> > Github
>>>> >> > >> to
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> our Apache
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> server hosted website by providing a forward
>>>> link in
>>>> >> > >> project
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> README.md
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> file. Please review it as follows.
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Note: the browser cache may cause unexpected
>>>> view of
>>>> >> this
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> website,
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>please
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> clear browser cache or visit it in incognito
>>>> mode.
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Very truly yours.
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Gary
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 6:04 PM, John D. Ament <
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> johndament@apache.org>
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> wrote:
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > Hi patrick,
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > I recently raised an issue with the website to
>>>> the
>>>> >> > >> team. I
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> personally
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > would like to see that fixed before a
>>>> graduation.
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Specifically saying
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> that
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > you need to learn it from github.
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > John
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:15 PM Patrick Hunt <
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> phunt@apache.org> wrote:
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > Given the recent work to bring on additional
>>>> RMs
>>>> >> (and
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> increase
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> community
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > involvement in general) and clearly document
>>>> >> release
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> procedures I
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>feel
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > that
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > my previous concerns have been largely
>>>> addressed.
>>>> >> If
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> there is
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>interest
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> in
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > the community I would now be in favor, but
>>>> up to
>>>> >> you
>>>> >> > -
>>>> >> > >> do
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> you feel
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> you're
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > ready to graduate at this point?
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > Regards,
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > Patrick
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 3:30 PM, Debojyoti
>>>> Dutta <
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> ddutta@apache.org>
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > wrote:
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> On the diversity issue, we are trying to
>>>> solve
>>>> >> that
>>>> >> > >> with
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> new
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> committers
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> from different organizations. We have had
>>>> >> > >> contributions
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> from other
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> companies like Cisco recently.
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> This space is about to heat up soon and we
>>>> will
>>>> >> see
>>>> >> > >> more
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>committers.
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> cheers
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> debo
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Patrick
>>>> Hunt <
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> phunt@apache.org>
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> wrote:
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > I've mentored a number of podlings over
>>>> the
>>>> >> years
>>>> >> > >> and
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> this one if
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> very
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> well
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > run and is on a good trajectory. As noted
>>>> my
>>>> >> main
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> concern is
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>about
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > diversity - in particular
>>>> "self-sustaining and
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> self-governing
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> communities".
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#
>>>> >> > community
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > That's pretty clear and concise
>>>> statements from
>>>> >> > the
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Apache
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>community
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > as
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> a
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > whole as to what it takes. The podling is
>>>> >> > following
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> "the apache
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>way"
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> quite
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > well, so it's really the sustaining part
>>>> for me.
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Ensuring that
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> community is
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > being built and the community as a whole
>>>> is
>>>> >> owning
>>>> >> > >> the
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> process.
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > Hope this helps, regards,
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > Patrick
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 2:24 PM, Andrew
>>>> Purtell
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >><apurtell@apache.org
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > wrote:
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > For me the best test if a podling is
>>>> ready for
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> graduation is
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>they
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> do
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> it
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > (mostly) for themselves. So, Mnemonic,
>>>> I'd
>>>> >> > >> encourage
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> you to
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>search
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > through
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > the incubator mailing list archives for
>>>> >> examples
>>>> >> > >> of
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> other
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>podlings
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > running
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > a graduation vote and submitting the
>>>> result to
>>>> >> > the
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> IPMC. Then,
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>do
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > it.
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > I'm glad to see the recent move to
>>>> bring in
>>>> >> more
>>>> >> > >> RMs
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>response
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> to
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> the
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > earlier feedback, now that everyone is
>>>> aware
>>>> >> of
>>>> >> > >> it.
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, I
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> didn't
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> think
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > that the incubator report might not be
>>>> read
>>>> >> > back.
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 5:42 PM, John D.
>>>> Ament
>>>> >> <
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > johndament@apache.org>
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > wrote:
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> Patrick,
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> I read it. I'm curious, did you or
>>>> Andrew
>>>> >> > share
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> your feedback
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> with
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> Mnemonic directly? I've noticed that
>>>> >> podlings
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> sometimes don't
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> see
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> the
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> input, and don't receive responses the
>>>> way
>>>> >> TLPs
>>>> >> > >> do.
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> For the podling's information, we do
>>>> also
>>>> >> > >> maintain
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> a whimsy
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>page
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> of
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> all
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> approved board reports per project,
>>>> Mnemonic
>>>> >> > can
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> see that
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > information
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> here:
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> https://whimsy.apache.org/
>>>> >> > board/minutes/Mnemonic
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> When I see a podling receiving 5 +1's
>>>> on a
>>>> >> dev
>>>> >> > >> list
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> release
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>vote,
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > that's a
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> great sign.
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> There probably is room for more on list
>>>> >> > >> discussion,
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> and yes
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>the
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > committer
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> diversity isn't 100% there (I would be
>>>> >> curious
>>>> >> > to
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> see company
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> affiliations).
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> I'll also point out that I sometimes
>>>> ask
>>>> >> these
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> questions to
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > podlings
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> to
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> get
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> them to start thinking about
>>>> graduation, not
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> actually moving
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > forward
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> yet
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> due to $reasons.
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 2:58 PM Patrick
>>>> Hunt <
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> phunt@apache.org>
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> wrote:
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > Hi John, did you read my feedback on
>>>> the
>>>> >> most
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> recent podling
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> report?
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > Do
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > you disagree? I don't believe this
>>>> has
>>>> >> > changed
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>significantly in
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > the
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > past
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > month/two. For example all releases
>>>> have
>>>> >> been
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> done by a
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>single
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> person.
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > https://wiki.apache.org/
>>>> >> incubator/March2017
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > As I've mentioned previously my only
>>>> >> concerns
>>>> >> > >> at
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> this point
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>are
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> around
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > diversity.
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > Patrick
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 11:07 AM,
>>>> Gang(Gary)
>>>> >> > >> Wang <
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > garyw@apache.org
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> wrote:
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> Hi John and PPMCs
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> As John advised, our community and
>>>> project
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> mnemonic might
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>be
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> ready to
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> get
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> graduated, I'd like to start the
>>>> following
>>>> >> > >> votes
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> according
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>to
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > the
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> processes
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> of
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html
>>>> with
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> your
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> mentoring
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> and guidance if no objection today
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> - Community graduation vote
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> - IPMC recommendation vote
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> Mnemonic Project Incubation Status
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/mnemonic.html
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> Very truly yours
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> +Gary
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 11:26 PM,
>>>> >> Gang(Gary)
>>>> >> > >> Wang
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> <
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> garyw@apache.org>
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> wrote:
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Hi John
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Thank you for starting this
>>>> discussion.
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Yes, our community is growing and
>>>> >> continue
>>>> >> > >> to
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> attract
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>more
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> people
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > to
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> join
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > our community. Some industry
>>>> users are
>>>> >> > aware
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> of mnemonic
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>and
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > already
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> get
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > interested as i known.
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Mnemonic is able to deliver unique
>>>> >> values
>>>> >> > to
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>business
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > so I
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> think
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > that it is very important for us
>>>> to get
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> mnemonic
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>graduated
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> in
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> time
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > if
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > qualified.
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > My 2 cents, looks nothing left
>>>> for us to
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> graduate
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>Mnemonic,
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > I'm
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > also
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > looking forward to propose our
>>>> project
>>>> >> as
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Apache TLP.
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Thanks!
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Very truly yours
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Gary
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > On Tuesday, May 2, 2017, John D.
>>>> Ament <
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> johndament@apache.org
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> wrote:
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > Hi Mnemonic PPMC,
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > After looking at your recent
>>>> release,
>>>> >> > your
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> current
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>growth
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > and
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > well
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > functioning PPMC, was wondering
>>>> what was
>>>> >> > >> left
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> for you
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>guys
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> to
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> graduate?
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > John
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > --
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > Best regards,
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > - Andy
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > If you are given a choice, you believe
>>>> you
>>>> >> have
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> acted freely. -
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> Raymond
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > Teller (via Peter Watts)
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>
>>>> >> > >> >>>>>
>>>> >> > >> >>>>
>>>> >> > >> >>
>>>> >> > >> >
>>>> >> > >>
>>>> >> > >
>>>> >> > >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation?
Posted by "Gang(Gary) Wang" <ga...@apache.org>.
Let me summarize the discussion on graduation, Please refer to this email
thread for details.
1) We have completed the website of Mnemonic that is required before
graduation
http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/
2) We have filled the Apache project maturity assessment for Mnemonic and
fixed all gaps that would be helpful for graduation
https://docs.google.com/document/d/10LKTjPMceV4s4MrSRIA9L8pg7jLFp-ec-TmW96mZbXM/edit?usp=sharing
3) Many contributed have voted +1s for this graduation
Please add yours if any before we are starting graduation votes, Thanks!
Cheers
Gary
On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 9:51 AM, Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi John, Mentors and PPMCs
>
> Looks no new issues crop up for a few days, and many contributors are
> positive and voted +1s for graduation, no negative from our community, so I
> think this discussion could be settled down today and proceed to collect
> votes from our community and IPMCs for graduation, please guide us if any
> missing, misunderstanding and suggestion, Thanks!
>
> Very truly yours
> Gary
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 12:18 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi John, Mentors and PPMCs
>>
>> Looks we have resolved all the issues that you have pointed out for
>> graduation, meanwhile, there are more contributors +1 for our project's
>> graduation so, could we start the community graduation vote and IPMC
>> graduation vote according to the following chart extracted from
>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#community ? Thanks!
>>
>> [image: Inline image 1]
>>
>> Very truly yours
>> Gary
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 11:22 PM, Wen Tong <pu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> +1 support for graduation.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 5:35 AM, Wei HE <he...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > +1 support for graduation.
>>> >
>>> > Wei HE
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 4:40 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Yes, I also totally agree this and we will try our best for the
>>> readiness
>>> >> for the graduation.
>>> >>
>>> >> For the suggestion that John advised, we have prepared the following
>>> >> comments for your review, Thanks!
>>> >>
>>> >> *CD20 - You have a link in your header called GITHUB that brought me
>>> to
>>> >> your source code. Other projects use hacking guides. Unless you're
>>> on
>>> >> gitbox, the git primary repo should be the ASF hosted repos.*
>>> >>
>>> >> The github link has been removed from CD20 and using
>>> >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/develop/ as the link of
>>> website. we
>>> >> also create ticket MNEMONIC-355 (resolved) to remove Github link from
>>> >> navigator menu on website.
>>> >>
>>> >> *CD30 - The usage of docker is in of itself a violation of this item,
>>> from
>>> >> my point of view. In your case, you're pointing to "centos:latest"
>>> which
>>> >> today is C7.2, but in a few months will be C7.3.*
>>> >>
>>> >> Yes, we will fix it through Apache Jira MNEMONIC-353(reviewed) and
>>> >> MNEMONIC-356(WIP)
>>> >>
>>> >> *CD50 - I can't tell if the pull requests to your repo are from
>>> committers
>>> >> or from contributors. If I take
>>> >> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/pull/60
>>> >> <https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/pull/60> as an
>>> example, the
>>> >> commit message says nothing about provenance of the source code.*
>>> >>
>>> >> We have requested to revoke all stalled PRs, and all commit messages
>>> must
>>> >> contain Apache JIRA number and title.
>>> >>
>>> >> *LC50 - You mention in your response why this is incorrect (the use of
>>> >> *most*)*
>>> >>
>>> >> Yes we will correct it with "The files in the project source
>>> repository
>>> >> have appropriate headers", The files under target/ that generated by
>>> mvn
>>> >> building process would be excluded and all other project files have
>>> been
>>> >> properly licensed and guarded by RAT plugin.
>>> >>
>>> >> *RE10 - You link to http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/news/
>>> >> <http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/news/> but that doesn't
>>> include any
>>> >> download links. http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/downloads/
>>> >> <http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/downloads/> does include
>>> download
>>> >> links to the proper release mirrors.*
>>> >>
>>> >> That has been corrected by replacing it with the link
>>> >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/downloads/
>>> >>
>>> >> *RE20 - You mention non-PMC members in the vote (PPMC).*
>>> >>
>>> >> Yes, we started with the community vote for releasing and the result
>>> >> explicitly shows binding and non-binding votes.
>>> >>
>>> >> *RE30 - Again, not using mirror.*
>>> >>
>>> >> Looks no mirror link in this field.
>>> >>
>>> >> *RE40 - Correct answer would be "NO. We do not distribute binary
>>> >> releases."*
>>> >>
>>> >> Yes it is and corrected
>>> >>
>>> >> *RE50 - Your release process neglects deleting old artifacts.*
>>> >>
>>> >> Sorry I forgot it and corrected it by the Apache Jira ticket
>>> MNEMONIC-357
>>> >> (resolved) as well as MNEMONIC-358 (resolved)
>>> >>
>>> >> *QU10 - Code quality is more than bug reports. You may want to use
>>> >> linters, sonar, etc.*
>>> >>
>>> >> Yes, we will investigate this plugin and apply them to project later,
>>> as
>>> >> for now, the QU10 has been replaced with "YES. The project records
>>> all bugs
>>> >> in the Apache’s JIRA issue tracker. Developer also uses Eclipse or
>>> Intellij
>>> >> IDEA to improve their code quality."
>>> >>
>>> >> *QU20 - This is only achievable if you've had a security vulnerability
>>> >> reported. If you haven't had one reported, there's no way to confirm
>>> >> this.*
>>> >>
>>> >> The QU20 has been replaced with "YES. Security issues would be
>>> treated with
>>> >> the highest priority, computing service and memory service are
>>> separated
>>> >> from other modules and defined by interfaces, so security concerns
>>> could be
>>> >> largely mitigated by introduced this design at first place.", that
>>> this
>>> >> emphasize we consider the security aspect from design viewpoint as
>>> well.
>>> >>
>>> >> *QU50 - I see that MNEMONIC-203/217 have been open for around 6
>>> months.*
>>> >>
>>> >> We have asked owners to properly handle those tickets
>>> >>
>>> >> *CO10 - Github shows two pull requests open without any commentary or
>>> >> questions from the project's committers. Why is that?*
>>> >>
>>> >> They are stalled PRs, we have asked the owner to properly revoke them.
>>> >>
>>> >> *The full checklist as follows for you to add comments*
>>> >> https://docs.google.com/document/d/10LKTjPMceV4s4MrSRIA9L8pg7jLFp
>>> >> -ec-TmW96mZbXM/edit?usp=sharing
>>> >>
>>> >> Very truly yours
>>> >> Gary
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 2:25 PM, John D. Ament <johndament@apache.org
>>> >
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> > Huge +1 to that.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 5:18 PM Henry Saputra <
>>> henry.saputra@gmail.com>
>>> >> > wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> > > The "checklist" suppose to just provide guide for readiness our
>>> >> > > graduation. It was NOT mandatory checklist.
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > This should be used primarily for self check to make sure we are
>>> ready
>>> >> > for
>>> >> > > graduation.
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > - Henry
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 7:50 PM, John D. Ament <
>>> johndament@apache.org>
>>> >> > > wrote:
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > >> Hello,
>>> >> > >>
>>> >> > >> So first, I'll say its always great to see a podling aim to
>>> graduate.
>>> >> > Its
>>> >> > >> not up to me to measure whether the podling has been successful
>>> or
>>> >> not,
>>> >> > >> but
>>> >> > >> instead the IPMC as a whole. I can give you some feedback on
>>> the APMM
>>> >> > >> assessment, but I'll point out that I'm not a fan of this form
>>> and
>>> >> > >> completing this form is not a requirement for graduation.
>>> >> > >>
>>> >> > >> So please, when reviewing the below list, understand that
>>> completing
>>> >> > this
>>> >> > >> is not a requirement for graduation. Even then, podlings who
>>> think
>>> >> they
>>> >> > >> pass it may be missing things.
>>> >> > >>
>>> >> > >> CD20 - You have a link in your header called GITHUB that brought
>>> me to
>>> >> > >> your
>>> >> > >> source code. Other projects use hacking guides. Unless you're
>>> on
>>> >> > gitbox,
>>> >> > >> the git primary repo should be the ASF hosted repos.
>>> >> > >>
>>> >> > >> CD30 - The usage of docker is in of itself a violation of this
>>> item,
>>> >> > from
>>> >> > >> my point of view. In your case, you're pointing to
>>> "centos:latest"
>>> >> > which
>>> >> > >> today is C7.2, but in a few months will be C7.3.
>>> >> > >>
>>> >> > >> CD50 - I can't tell if the pull requests to your repo are from
>>> >> > committers
>>> >> > >> or from contributors. If I take
>>> >> > >> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/pull/60 as an
>>> example,
>>> >> the
>>> >> > >> commit message says nothing about provenance of the source code.
>>> >> > >>
>>> >> > >> LC50 - You mention in your response why this is incorrect (the
>>> use of
>>> >> > >> *most*)
>>> >> > >>
>>> >> > >> RE10 - You link to http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/news/
>>> but
>>> >> that
>>> >> > >> doesn't include any download links.
>>> >> > >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/downloads/ does include
>>> download
>>> >> > >> links
>>> >> > >> to the proper release mirrors.
>>> >> > >>
>>> >> > >> RE20 - You mention non-PMC members in the vote (PPMC).
>>> >> > >>
>>> >> > >> RE30 - Again, not using mirror.
>>> >> > >>
>>> >> > >> RE40 - Correct answer would be "NO. We do not distribute binary
>>> >> > releases."
>>> >> > >>
>>> >> > >> RE50 - Your release process neglects deleting old artifacts.
>>> >> > >>
>>> >> > >> QU10 - Code quality is more than bug reports. You may want to
>>> use
>>> >> > >> linters,
>>> >> > >> sonar, etc.
>>> >> > >>
>>> >> > >> QU20 - This is only achievable if you've had a security
>>> vulnerability
>>> >> > >> reported. If you haven't had one reported, there's no way to
>>> confirm
>>> >> > >> this.
>>> >> > >>
>>> >> > >> QU50 - I see that MNEMONIC-203/217 have been open for around 6
>>> months.
>>> >> > >>
>>> >> > >> CO10 - Github shows two pull requests open without any
>>> commentary or
>>> >> > >> questions from the project's committers. Why is that?
>>> >> > >>
>>> >> > >> Regards,
>>> >> > >>
>>> >> > >> John
>>> >> > >>
>>> >> > >> On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 3:00 PM Gang(Gary) Wang <
>>> garyw@apache.org>
>>> >> > wrote:
>>> >> > >>
>>> >> > >> > Hi John, Our Mentors and PPMCs
>>> >> > >> >
>>> >> > >> > We have prepared Apache Maturity checklist for your evaluation,
>>> >> please
>>> >> > >> > guide us to graduate our project, thanks.
>>> >> > >> >
>>> >> > >> > All comments and suggestions are welcome!
>>> >> > >> >
>>> >> > >> > Cheers!
>>> >> > >> > Gary
>>> >> > >> >
>>> >> > >> >
>>> >> > >> > On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 1:31 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <
>>> garyw@apache.org>
>>> >> > >> wrote:
>>> >> > >> >
>>> >> > >> >> Hi John
>>> >> > >> >>
>>> >> > >> >> Fixed it, Thank you for reminding me
>>> >> > >> >>
>>> >> > >> >> Very truly yours
>>> >> > >> >> Gary
>>> >> > >> >>
>>> >> > >> >>
>>> >> > >> >> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 12:39 PM, John D. Ament <
>>> >> > johndament@apache.org
>>> >> > >> >
>>> >> > >> >> wrote:
>>> >> > >> >>
>>> >> > >> >>> Please take a look at
>>> >> > >> >>> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/mnemonic/
>>> >> > >> >>>
>>> >> > >> >>>
>>> >> > >> >>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 1:55 PM Gang(Gary) Wang <
>>> garyw@apache.org
>>> >> >
>>> >> > >> >>> wrote:
>>> >> > >> >>>
>>> >> > >> >>>> Hi John
>>> >> > >> >>>>
>>> >> > >> >>>> This issue has been fixed please refresh your browser and
>>> then
>>> >> > review
>>> >> > >> >>>> it, Thanks!
>>> >> > >> >>>>
>>> >> > >> >>>> Very truly yours
>>> >> > >> >>>> Gary
>>> >> > >> >>>>
>>> >> > >> >>>>
>>> >> > >> >>>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 10:33 AM, Gang(Gary) Wang <
>>> >> > garyw@apache.org>
>>> >> > >> >>>> wrote:
>>> >> > >> >>>>
>>> >> > >> >>>>> Hi John
>>> >> > >> >>>>>
>>> >> > >> >>>>> I didn't realize that and thank you very much for pointing
>>> it
>>> >> out,
>>> >> > >> we
>>> >> > >> >>>>> will correct this according to your guidance.
>>> >> > >> >>>>>
>>> >> > >> >>>>> Thanks!
>>> >> > >> >>>>> Very truly yours
>>> >> > >> >>>>> Gary
>>> >> > >> >>>>>
>>> >> > >> >>>>>
>>> >> > >> >>>>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 4:54 AM, John D. Ament <
>>> >> > >> johndament@apache.org>
>>> >> > >> >>>>> wrote:
>>> >> > >> >>>>>
>>> >> > >> >>>>>> Thanks, but you're still out of compliance.
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>
>>> >> > >> >>>>>> - You're linking directly to your un-mirrored artifacts,
>>> but
>>> >> you
>>> >> > >> >>>>>> should be linking to your mirrored artifacts.
>>> >> > >> >>>>>> - You have not cleaned up your old releases, your old
>>> releases
>>> >> > >> should
>>> >> > >> >>>>>> be archived.
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>
>>> >> > >> >>>>>> Now here's the catch - we require mirroring but I can't
>>> find
>>> >> > >> anything
>>> >> > >> >>>>>> saying what the mirroring URL is. The format is going to
>>> be
>>> >> > >> >>>>>> http://apache.org/dyn/closer.cgi/incubator/mnemonic and
>>> you'll
>>> >> > >> want
>>> >> > >> >>>>>> to grab your specific version from there.
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>
>>> >> > >> >>>>>> John
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>
>>> >> > >> >>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 9:31 PM Gang(Gary) Wang <
>>> >> > garyw@apache.org>
>>> >> > >> >>>>>> wrote:
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> Hi John,
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> The Download menu item has been added to the navigator
>>> in home
>>> >> > >> page,
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> Please refresh your browser to review it, Thank you very
>>> much
>>> >> > for
>>> >> > >> the
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> suggestion.
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> Very truly yours
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> Gary
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 6:04 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <
>>> >> > >> garyw@apache.org>
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> wrote:
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> Hi John,
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> You can download all versions of the package from Apache
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> distribution site that is linked from the following web
>>> page
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/releases
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> Also, we can download them from Apache Mirrored Github
>>> page
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/releases
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> We could add another menu item on top of home page
>>> dedicated
>>> >> > for
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> downloading the latest one.
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> Very truly yours
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> Gary
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 5:40 PM, John D. Ament <
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> johndament@apache.org> wrote:
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>> I'm looking at your website. How do I download
>>> Mnemonic?
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>> John
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 4:37 PM Gary Wong <
>>> >> qichfan@gmail.com>
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Uma
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Yes, We are going to send out this checklist for PPMC
>>> >> review,
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Thank you very much for the guidance.
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Very truly yours
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Gary
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Gangumalla, Uma <
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> uma.gangumalla@intel.com> wrote:
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> IMO, Mnemonic project doing good and ready for
>>> graduation.
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> What is the mentors call on this?
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> I remember many other projects do Maturity model
>>> checklist
>>> >> > to
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> check where
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> we are? Gary/John do you mind ready that sheet, so
>>> that
>>> >> will
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> help to
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> assess better?
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Uma
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> On 8/16/17, 12:46 PM, "Johnu George" <
>>> johnu@apache.org>
>>> >> > >> wrote:
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >It seems that we are ready to be a top level
>>> project .
>>> >> We
>>> >> > >> have
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> a stable
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >release and we work well as a apache community
>>> under the
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> guidance of our
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >mentors. Any thoughts?
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 12:00 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> garyw@apache.org> wrote:
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Dear John and Patrick,
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Thank you for the guidance, we have completed the
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> construction of
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>Mnemonic
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Website recently according to your feedback, this
>>> >> Apache
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> server hosted
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> website will be kept up to date and maintained by
>>> >> > dedicated
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> community
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> members. we also have redirected the visitors
>>> from
>>> >> > Github
>>> >> > >> to
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> our Apache
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> server hosted website by providing a forward link
>>> in
>>> >> > >> project
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> README.md
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> file. Please review it as follows.
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Note: the browser cache may cause unexpected view
>>> of
>>> >> this
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> website,
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>please
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> clear browser cache or visit it in incognito mode.
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Very truly yours.
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Gary
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 6:04 PM, John D. Ament <
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> johndament@apache.org>
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> wrote:
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > Hi patrick,
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > I recently raised an issue with the website to
>>> the
>>> >> > >> team. I
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> personally
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > would like to see that fixed before a
>>> graduation.
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Specifically saying
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> that
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > you need to learn it from github.
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > John
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:15 PM Patrick Hunt <
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> phunt@apache.org> wrote:
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > Given the recent work to bring on additional
>>> RMs
>>> >> (and
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> increase
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> community
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > involvement in general) and clearly document
>>> >> release
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> procedures I
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>feel
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > that
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > my previous concerns have been largely
>>> addressed.
>>> >> If
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> there is
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>interest
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> in
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > the community I would now be in favor, but up
>>> to
>>> >> you
>>> >> > -
>>> >> > >> do
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> you feel
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> you're
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > ready to graduate at this point?
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > Regards,
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > Patrick
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 3:30 PM, Debojyoti
>>> Dutta <
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> ddutta@apache.org>
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > wrote:
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> On the diversity issue, we are trying to
>>> solve
>>> >> that
>>> >> > >> with
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> new
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> committers
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> from different organizations. We have had
>>> >> > >> contributions
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> from other
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> companies like Cisco recently.
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> This space is about to heat up soon and we
>>> will
>>> >> see
>>> >> > >> more
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>committers.
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> cheers
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> debo
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Patrick Hunt
>>> <
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> phunt@apache.org>
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> wrote:
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > I've mentored a number of podlings over the
>>> >> years
>>> >> > >> and
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> this one if
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> very
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> well
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > run and is on a good trajectory. As noted
>>> my
>>> >> main
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> concern is
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>about
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > diversity - in particular "self-sustaining
>>> and
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> self-governing
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> communities".
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#
>>> >> > community
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > That's pretty clear and concise statements
>>> from
>>> >> > the
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Apache
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>community
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > as
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> a
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > whole as to what it takes. The podling is
>>> >> > following
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> "the apache
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>way"
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> quite
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > well, so it's really the sustaining part
>>> for me.
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Ensuring that
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> community is
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > being built and the community as a whole is
>>> >> owning
>>> >> > >> the
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> process.
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > Hope this helps, regards,
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > Patrick
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 2:24 PM, Andrew
>>> Purtell
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >><apurtell@apache.org
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > wrote:
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > For me the best test if a podling is
>>> ready for
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> graduation is
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>they
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> do
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> it
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > (mostly) for themselves. So, Mnemonic,
>>> I'd
>>> >> > >> encourage
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> you to
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>search
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > through
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > the incubator mailing list archives for
>>> >> examples
>>> >> > >> of
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> other
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>podlings
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > running
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > a graduation vote and submitting the
>>> result to
>>> >> > the
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> IPMC. Then,
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>do
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > it.
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > I'm glad to see the recent move to bring
>>> in
>>> >> more
>>> >> > >> RMs
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> in
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>response
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> to
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> the
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > earlier feedback, now that everyone is
>>> aware
>>> >> of
>>> >> > >> it.
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, I
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> didn't
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> think
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > that the incubator report might not be
>>> read
>>> >> > back.
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 5:42 PM, John D.
>>> Ament
>>> >> <
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > johndament@apache.org>
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > wrote:
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> Patrick,
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> I read it. I'm curious, did you or
>>> Andrew
>>> >> > share
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> your feedback
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> with
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> Mnemonic directly? I've noticed that
>>> >> podlings
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> sometimes don't
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> see
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> the
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> input, and don't receive responses the
>>> way
>>> >> TLPs
>>> >> > >> do.
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> For the podling's information, we do
>>> also
>>> >> > >> maintain
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> a whimsy
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>page
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> of
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> all
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> approved board reports per project,
>>> Mnemonic
>>> >> > can
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> see that
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > information
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> here:
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> https://whimsy.apache.org/
>>> >> > board/minutes/Mnemonic
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> When I see a podling receiving 5 +1's
>>> on a
>>> >> dev
>>> >> > >> list
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> release
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>vote,
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > that's a
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> great sign.
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> There probably is room for more on list
>>> >> > >> discussion,
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> and yes
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>the
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > committer
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> diversity isn't 100% there (I would be
>>> >> curious
>>> >> > to
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> see company
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> affiliations).
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> I'll also point out that I sometimes ask
>>> >> these
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> questions to
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > podlings
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> to
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> get
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> them to start thinking about
>>> graduation, not
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> actually moving
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > forward
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> yet
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> due to $reasons.
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 2:58 PM Patrick
>>> Hunt <
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> phunt@apache.org>
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> wrote:
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > Hi John, did you read my feedback on
>>> the
>>> >> most
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> recent podling
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> report?
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > Do
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > you disagree? I don't believe this has
>>> >> > changed
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>significantly in
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > the
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > past
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > month/two. For example all releases
>>> have
>>> >> been
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> done by a
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>single
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> person.
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > https://wiki.apache.org/
>>> >> incubator/March2017
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > As I've mentioned previously my only
>>> >> concerns
>>> >> > >> at
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> this point
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>are
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> around
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > diversity.
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > Patrick
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 11:07 AM,
>>> Gang(Gary)
>>> >> > >> Wang <
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > garyw@apache.org
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> wrote:
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> Hi John and PPMCs
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> As John advised, our community and
>>> project
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> mnemonic might
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>be
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> ready to
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> get
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> graduated, I'd like to start the
>>> following
>>> >> > >> votes
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> according
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>to
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > the
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> processes
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> of
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html
>>> with
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> your
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> mentoring
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> and guidance if no objection today
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> - Community graduation vote
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> - IPMC recommendation vote
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> Mnemonic Project Incubation Status
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/mnemonic.html
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> Very truly yours
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> +Gary
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 11:26 PM,
>>> >> Gang(Gary)
>>> >> > >> Wang
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> <
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> garyw@apache.org>
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> wrote:
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Hi John
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Thank you for starting this
>>> discussion.
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Yes, our community is growing and
>>> >> continue
>>> >> > >> to
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> attract
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>more
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> people
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > to
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> join
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > our community. Some industry users
>>> are
>>> >> > aware
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> of mnemonic
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>and
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > already
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> get
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > interested as i known.
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Mnemonic is able to deliver unique
>>> >> values
>>> >> > to
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> their
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>business
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > so I
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> think
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > that it is very important for us
>>> to get
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> mnemonic
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>graduated
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> in
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> time
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > if
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > qualified.
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > My 2 cents, looks nothing left for
>>> us to
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> graduate
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>Mnemonic,
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > I'm
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > also
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > looking forward to propose our
>>> project
>>> >> as
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Apache TLP.
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Thanks!
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Very truly yours
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Gary
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > On Tuesday, May 2, 2017, John D.
>>> Ament <
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> johndament@apache.org
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> wrote:
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > Hi Mnemonic PPMC,
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > After looking at your recent
>>> release,
>>> >> > your
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> current
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>growth
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > and
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > well
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > functioning PPMC, was wondering
>>> what was
>>> >> > >> left
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> for you
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>guys
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> to
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> graduate?
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > John
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > --
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > Best regards,
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > - Andy
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > If you are given a choice, you believe
>>> you
>>> >> have
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> acted freely. -
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> Raymond
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > Teller (via Peter Watts)
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>
>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>
>>> >> > >> >>>>>
>>> >> > >> >>>>
>>> >> > >> >>
>>> >> > >> >
>>> >> > >>
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > >
>>> >> >
>>> >>
>>>
>>
>>
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation?
Posted by "Gang(Gary) Wang" <ga...@apache.org>.
Hi John, Mentors and PPMCs
Looks no new issues crop up for a few days, and many contributors are
positive and voted +1s for graduation, no negative from our community, so I
think this discussion could be settled down today and proceed to collect
votes from our community and IPMCs for graduation, please guide us if any
missing, misunderstanding and suggestion, Thanks!
Very truly yours
Gary
On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 12:18 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi John, Mentors and PPMCs
>
> Looks we have resolved all the issues that you have pointed out for
> graduation, meanwhile, there are more contributors +1 for our project's
> graduation so, could we start the community graduation vote and IPMC
> graduation vote according to the following chart extracted from
> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#community ? Thanks!
>
> [image: Inline image 1]
>
> Very truly yours
> Gary
>
> On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 11:22 PM, Wen Tong <pu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> +1 support for graduation.
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 5:35 AM, Wei HE <he...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > +1 support for graduation.
>> >
>> > Wei HE
>> >
>> > On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 4:40 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Yes, I also totally agree this and we will try our best for the
>> readiness
>> >> for the graduation.
>> >>
>> >> For the suggestion that John advised, we have prepared the following
>> >> comments for your review, Thanks!
>> >>
>> >> *CD20 - You have a link in your header called GITHUB that brought me to
>> >> your source code. Other projects use hacking guides. Unless you're on
>> >> gitbox, the git primary repo should be the ASF hosted repos.*
>> >>
>> >> The github link has been removed from CD20 and using
>> >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/develop/ as the link of website.
>> we
>> >> also create ticket MNEMONIC-355 (resolved) to remove Github link from
>> >> navigator menu on website.
>> >>
>> >> *CD30 - The usage of docker is in of itself a violation of this item,
>> from
>> >> my point of view. In your case, you're pointing to "centos:latest"
>> which
>> >> today is C7.2, but in a few months will be C7.3.*
>> >>
>> >> Yes, we will fix it through Apache Jira MNEMONIC-353(reviewed) and
>> >> MNEMONIC-356(WIP)
>> >>
>> >> *CD50 - I can't tell if the pull requests to your repo are from
>> committers
>> >> or from contributors. If I take
>> >> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/pull/60
>> >> <https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/pull/60> as an example,
>> the
>> >> commit message says nothing about provenance of the source code.*
>> >>
>> >> We have requested to revoke all stalled PRs, and all commit messages
>> must
>> >> contain Apache JIRA number and title.
>> >>
>> >> *LC50 - You mention in your response why this is incorrect (the use of
>> >> *most*)*
>> >>
>> >> Yes we will correct it with "The files in the project source repository
>> >> have appropriate headers", The files under target/ that generated by
>> mvn
>> >> building process would be excluded and all other project files have
>> been
>> >> properly licensed and guarded by RAT plugin.
>> >>
>> >> *RE10 - You link to http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/news/
>> >> <http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/news/> but that doesn't include
>> any
>> >> download links. http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/downloads/
>> >> <http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/downloads/> does include
>> download
>> >> links to the proper release mirrors.*
>> >>
>> >> That has been corrected by replacing it with the link
>> >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/downloads/
>> >>
>> >> *RE20 - You mention non-PMC members in the vote (PPMC).*
>> >>
>> >> Yes, we started with the community vote for releasing and the result
>> >> explicitly shows binding and non-binding votes.
>> >>
>> >> *RE30 - Again, not using mirror.*
>> >>
>> >> Looks no mirror link in this field.
>> >>
>> >> *RE40 - Correct answer would be "NO. We do not distribute binary
>> >> releases."*
>> >>
>> >> Yes it is and corrected
>> >>
>> >> *RE50 - Your release process neglects deleting old artifacts.*
>> >>
>> >> Sorry I forgot it and corrected it by the Apache Jira ticket
>> MNEMONIC-357
>> >> (resolved) as well as MNEMONIC-358 (resolved)
>> >>
>> >> *QU10 - Code quality is more than bug reports. You may want to use
>> >> linters, sonar, etc.*
>> >>
>> >> Yes, we will investigate this plugin and apply them to project later,
>> as
>> >> for now, the QU10 has been replaced with "YES. The project records all
>> bugs
>> >> in the Apache’s JIRA issue tracker. Developer also uses Eclipse or
>> Intellij
>> >> IDEA to improve their code quality."
>> >>
>> >> *QU20 - This is only achievable if you've had a security vulnerability
>> >> reported. If you haven't had one reported, there's no way to confirm
>> >> this.*
>> >>
>> >> The QU20 has been replaced with "YES. Security issues would be treated
>> with
>> >> the highest priority, computing service and memory service are
>> separated
>> >> from other modules and defined by interfaces, so security concerns
>> could be
>> >> largely mitigated by introduced this design at first place.", that this
>> >> emphasize we consider the security aspect from design viewpoint as
>> well.
>> >>
>> >> *QU50 - I see that MNEMONIC-203/217 have been open for around 6
>> months.*
>> >>
>> >> We have asked owners to properly handle those tickets
>> >>
>> >> *CO10 - Github shows two pull requests open without any commentary or
>> >> questions from the project's committers. Why is that?*
>> >>
>> >> They are stalled PRs, we have asked the owner to properly revoke them.
>> >>
>> >> *The full checklist as follows for you to add comments*
>> >> https://docs.google.com/document/d/10LKTjPMceV4s4MrSRIA9L8pg7jLFp
>> >> -ec-TmW96mZbXM/edit?usp=sharing
>> >>
>> >> Very truly yours
>> >> Gary
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 2:25 PM, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Huge +1 to that.
>> >> >
>> >> > On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 5:18 PM Henry Saputra <
>> henry.saputra@gmail.com>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > > The "checklist" suppose to just provide guide for readiness our
>> >> > > graduation. It was NOT mandatory checklist.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > This should be used primarily for self check to make sure we are
>> ready
>> >> > for
>> >> > > graduation.
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > - Henry
>> >> > >
>> >> > > On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 7:50 PM, John D. Ament <
>> johndament@apache.org>
>> >> > > wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > >> Hello,
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> So first, I'll say its always great to see a podling aim to
>> graduate.
>> >> > Its
>> >> > >> not up to me to measure whether the podling has been successful or
>> >> not,
>> >> > >> but
>> >> > >> instead the IPMC as a whole. I can give you some feedback on the
>> APMM
>> >> > >> assessment, but I'll point out that I'm not a fan of this form and
>> >> > >> completing this form is not a requirement for graduation.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> So please, when reviewing the below list, understand that
>> completing
>> >> > this
>> >> > >> is not a requirement for graduation. Even then, podlings who
>> think
>> >> they
>> >> > >> pass it may be missing things.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> CD20 - You have a link in your header called GITHUB that brought
>> me to
>> >> > >> your
>> >> > >> source code. Other projects use hacking guides. Unless you're on
>> >> > gitbox,
>> >> > >> the git primary repo should be the ASF hosted repos.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> CD30 - The usage of docker is in of itself a violation of this
>> item,
>> >> > from
>> >> > >> my point of view. In your case, you're pointing to
>> "centos:latest"
>> >> > which
>> >> > >> today is C7.2, but in a few months will be C7.3.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> CD50 - I can't tell if the pull requests to your repo are from
>> >> > committers
>> >> > >> or from contributors. If I take
>> >> > >> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/pull/60 as an
>> example,
>> >> the
>> >> > >> commit message says nothing about provenance of the source code.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> LC50 - You mention in your response why this is incorrect (the
>> use of
>> >> > >> *most*)
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> RE10 - You link to http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/news/ but
>> >> that
>> >> > >> doesn't include any download links.
>> >> > >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/downloads/ does include
>> download
>> >> > >> links
>> >> > >> to the proper release mirrors.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> RE20 - You mention non-PMC members in the vote (PPMC).
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> RE30 - Again, not using mirror.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> RE40 - Correct answer would be "NO. We do not distribute binary
>> >> > releases."
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> RE50 - Your release process neglects deleting old artifacts.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> QU10 - Code quality is more than bug reports. You may want to use
>> >> > >> linters,
>> >> > >> sonar, etc.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> QU20 - This is only achievable if you've had a security
>> vulnerability
>> >> > >> reported. If you haven't had one reported, there's no way to
>> confirm
>> >> > >> this.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> QU50 - I see that MNEMONIC-203/217 have been open for around 6
>> months.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> CO10 - Github shows two pull requests open without any commentary
>> or
>> >> > >> questions from the project's committers. Why is that?
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Regards,
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> John
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 3:00 PM Gang(Gary) Wang <garyw@apache.org
>> >
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> > Hi John, Our Mentors and PPMCs
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > We have prepared Apache Maturity checklist for your evaluation,
>> >> please
>> >> > >> > guide us to graduate our project, thanks.
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > All comments and suggestions are welcome!
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > Cheers!
>> >> > >> > Gary
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 1:31 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <
>> garyw@apache.org>
>> >> > >> wrote:
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> >> Hi John
>> >> > >> >>
>> >> > >> >> Fixed it, Thank you for reminding me
>> >> > >> >>
>> >> > >> >> Very truly yours
>> >> > >> >> Gary
>> >> > >> >>
>> >> > >> >>
>> >> > >> >> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 12:39 PM, John D. Ament <
>> >> > johndament@apache.org
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> >> wrote:
>> >> > >> >>
>> >> > >> >>> Please take a look at
>> >> > >> >>> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/mnemonic/
>> >> > >> >>>
>> >> > >> >>>
>> >> > >> >>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 1:55 PM Gang(Gary) Wang <
>> garyw@apache.org
>> >> >
>> >> > >> >>> wrote:
>> >> > >> >>>
>> >> > >> >>>> Hi John
>> >> > >> >>>>
>> >> > >> >>>> This issue has been fixed please refresh your browser and
>> then
>> >> > review
>> >> > >> >>>> it, Thanks!
>> >> > >> >>>>
>> >> > >> >>>> Very truly yours
>> >> > >> >>>> Gary
>> >> > >> >>>>
>> >> > >> >>>>
>> >> > >> >>>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 10:33 AM, Gang(Gary) Wang <
>> >> > garyw@apache.org>
>> >> > >> >>>> wrote:
>> >> > >> >>>>
>> >> > >> >>>>> Hi John
>> >> > >> >>>>>
>> >> > >> >>>>> I didn't realize that and thank you very much for pointing
>> it
>> >> out,
>> >> > >> we
>> >> > >> >>>>> will correct this according to your guidance.
>> >> > >> >>>>>
>> >> > >> >>>>> Thanks!
>> >> > >> >>>>> Very truly yours
>> >> > >> >>>>> Gary
>> >> > >> >>>>>
>> >> > >> >>>>>
>> >> > >> >>>>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 4:54 AM, John D. Ament <
>> >> > >> johndament@apache.org>
>> >> > >> >>>>> wrote:
>> >> > >> >>>>>
>> >> > >> >>>>>> Thanks, but you're still out of compliance.
>> >> > >> >>>>>>
>> >> > >> >>>>>> - You're linking directly to your un-mirrored artifacts,
>> but
>> >> you
>> >> > >> >>>>>> should be linking to your mirrored artifacts.
>> >> > >> >>>>>> - You have not cleaned up your old releases, your old
>> releases
>> >> > >> should
>> >> > >> >>>>>> be archived.
>> >> > >> >>>>>>
>> >> > >> >>>>>> Now here's the catch - we require mirroring but I can't
>> find
>> >> > >> anything
>> >> > >> >>>>>> saying what the mirroring URL is. The format is going to
>> be
>> >> > >> >>>>>> http://apache.org/dyn/closer.cgi/incubator/mnemonic and
>> you'll
>> >> > >> want
>> >> > >> >>>>>> to grab your specific version from there.
>> >> > >> >>>>>>
>> >> > >> >>>>>> John
>> >> > >> >>>>>>
>> >> > >> >>>>>>
>> >> > >> >>>>>>
>> >> > >> >>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 9:31 PM Gang(Gary) Wang <
>> >> > garyw@apache.org>
>> >> > >> >>>>>> wrote:
>> >> > >> >>>>>>
>> >> > >> >>>>>>> Hi John,
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>
>> >> > >> >>>>>>> The Download menu item has been added to the navigator in
>> home
>> >> > >> page,
>> >> > >> >>>>>>> Please refresh your browser to review it, Thank you very
>> much
>> >> > for
>> >> > >> the
>> >> > >> >>>>>>> suggestion.
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>
>> >> > >> >>>>>>> Very truly yours
>> >> > >> >>>>>>> Gary
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>
>> >> > >> >>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 6:04 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <
>> >> > >> garyw@apache.org>
>> >> > >> >>>>>>> wrote:
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> Hi John,
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> You can download all versions of the package from Apache
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> distribution site that is linked from the following web
>> page
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/releases
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> Also, we can download them from Apache Mirrored Github
>> page
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/releases
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> We could add another menu item on top of home page
>> dedicated
>> >> > for
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> downloading the latest one.
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> Thanks!
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> Very truly yours
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> Gary
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 5:40 PM, John D. Ament <
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> johndament@apache.org> wrote:
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>> I'm looking at your website. How do I download
>> Mnemonic?
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>> John
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 4:37 PM Gary Wong <
>> >> qichfan@gmail.com>
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Uma
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Yes, We are going to send out this checklist for PPMC
>> >> review,
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Thank you very much for the guidance.
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Very truly yours
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Gary
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Gangumalla, Uma <
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> uma.gangumalla@intel.com> wrote:
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> IMO, Mnemonic project doing good and ready for
>> graduation.
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> What is the mentors call on this?
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> I remember many other projects do Maturity model
>> checklist
>> >> > to
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> check where
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> we are? Gary/John do you mind ready that sheet, so
>> that
>> >> will
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> help to
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> assess better?
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Uma
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> On 8/16/17, 12:46 PM, "Johnu George" <
>> johnu@apache.org>
>> >> > >> wrote:
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >It seems that we are ready to be a top level project
>> .
>> >> We
>> >> > >> have
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> a stable
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >release and we work well as a apache community under
>> the
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> guidance of our
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >mentors. Any thoughts?
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 12:00 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> garyw@apache.org> wrote:
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Dear John and Patrick,
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Thank you for the guidance, we have completed the
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> construction of
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>Mnemonic
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Website recently according to your feedback, this
>> >> Apache
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> server hosted
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> website will be kept up to date and maintained by
>> >> > dedicated
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> community
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> members. we also have redirected the visitors from
>> >> > Github
>> >> > >> to
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> our Apache
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> server hosted website by providing a forward link
>> in
>> >> > >> project
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> README.md
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> file. Please review it as follows.
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Note: the browser cache may cause unexpected view
>> of
>> >> this
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> website,
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>please
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> clear browser cache or visit it in incognito mode.
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Very truly yours.
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Gary
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 6:04 PM, John D. Ament <
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> johndament@apache.org>
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> wrote:
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > Hi patrick,
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > I recently raised an issue with the website to
>> the
>> >> > >> team. I
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> personally
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > would like to see that fixed before a graduation.
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Specifically saying
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> that
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > you need to learn it from github.
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > John
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:15 PM Patrick Hunt <
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> phunt@apache.org> wrote:
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > Given the recent work to bring on additional
>> RMs
>> >> (and
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> increase
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> community
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > involvement in general) and clearly document
>> >> release
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> procedures I
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>feel
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > that
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > my previous concerns have been largely
>> addressed.
>> >> If
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> there is
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>interest
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> in
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > the community I would now be in favor, but up
>> to
>> >> you
>> >> > -
>> >> > >> do
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> you feel
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> you're
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > ready to graduate at this point?
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > Regards,
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > Patrick
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 3:30 PM, Debojyoti
>> Dutta <
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> ddutta@apache.org>
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > wrote:
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> On the diversity issue, we are trying to solve
>> >> that
>> >> > >> with
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> new
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> committers
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> from different organizations. We have had
>> >> > >> contributions
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> from other
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> companies like Cisco recently.
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> This space is about to heat up soon and we
>> will
>> >> see
>> >> > >> more
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>committers.
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> cheers
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> debo
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Patrick Hunt <
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> phunt@apache.org>
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> wrote:
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > I've mentored a number of podlings over the
>> >> years
>> >> > >> and
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> this one if
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> very
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> well
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > run and is on a good trajectory. As noted my
>> >> main
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> concern is
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>about
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > diversity - in particular "self-sustaining
>> and
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> self-governing
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> communities".
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#
>> >> > community
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > That's pretty clear and concise statements
>> from
>> >> > the
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Apache
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>community
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > as
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> a
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > whole as to what it takes. The podling is
>> >> > following
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> "the apache
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>way"
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> quite
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > well, so it's really the sustaining part
>> for me.
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Ensuring that
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> community is
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > being built and the community as a whole is
>> >> owning
>> >> > >> the
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> process.
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > Hope this helps, regards,
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > Patrick
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 2:24 PM, Andrew
>> Purtell
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >><apurtell@apache.org
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > wrote:
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > For me the best test if a podling is
>> ready for
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> graduation is
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>they
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> do
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> it
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > (mostly) for themselves. So, Mnemonic, I'd
>> >> > >> encourage
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> you to
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>search
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > through
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > the incubator mailing list archives for
>> >> examples
>> >> > >> of
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> other
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>podlings
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > running
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > a graduation vote and submitting the
>> result to
>> >> > the
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> IPMC. Then,
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>do
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > it.
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > I'm glad to see the recent move to bring
>> in
>> >> more
>> >> > >> RMs
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> in
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>response
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> to
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> the
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > earlier feedback, now that everyone is
>> aware
>> >> of
>> >> > >> it.
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, I
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> didn't
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> think
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > that the incubator report might not be
>> read
>> >> > back.
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 5:42 PM, John D.
>> Ament
>> >> <
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > johndament@apache.org>
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > wrote:
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> Patrick,
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> I read it. I'm curious, did you or
>> Andrew
>> >> > share
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> your feedback
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> with
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> Mnemonic directly? I've noticed that
>> >> podlings
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> sometimes don't
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> see
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> the
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> input, and don't receive responses the
>> way
>> >> TLPs
>> >> > >> do.
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> For the podling's information, we do also
>> >> > >> maintain
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> a whimsy
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>page
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> of
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> all
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> approved board reports per project,
>> Mnemonic
>> >> > can
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> see that
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > information
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> here:
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> https://whimsy.apache.org/
>> >> > board/minutes/Mnemonic
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> When I see a podling receiving 5 +1's on
>> a
>> >> dev
>> >> > >> list
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> release
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>vote,
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > that's a
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> great sign.
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> There probably is room for more on list
>> >> > >> discussion,
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> and yes
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>the
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > committer
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> diversity isn't 100% there (I would be
>> >> curious
>> >> > to
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> see company
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> affiliations).
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> I'll also point out that I sometimes ask
>> >> these
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> questions to
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > podlings
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> to
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> get
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> them to start thinking about graduation,
>> not
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> actually moving
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > forward
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> yet
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> due to $reasons.
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 2:58 PM Patrick
>> Hunt <
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> phunt@apache.org>
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> wrote:
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > Hi John, did you read my feedback on
>> the
>> >> most
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> recent podling
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> report?
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > Do
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > you disagree? I don't believe this has
>> >> > changed
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>significantly in
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > the
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > past
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > month/two. For example all releases
>> have
>> >> been
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> done by a
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>single
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> person.
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > https://wiki.apache.org/
>> >> incubator/March2017
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > As I've mentioned previously my only
>> >> concerns
>> >> > >> at
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> this point
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>are
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> around
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > diversity.
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > Patrick
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 11:07 AM,
>> Gang(Gary)
>> >> > >> Wang <
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > garyw@apache.org
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> wrote:
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> Hi John and PPMCs
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> As John advised, our community and
>> project
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> mnemonic might
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>be
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> ready to
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> get
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> graduated, I'd like to start the
>> following
>> >> > >> votes
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> according
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>to
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > the
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> processes
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> of
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html
>> with
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> your
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> mentoring
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> and guidance if no objection today
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> - Community graduation vote
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> - IPMC recommendation vote
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> Mnemonic Project Incubation Status
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/mnemonic.html
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> Very truly yours
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> +Gary
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 11:26 PM,
>> >> Gang(Gary)
>> >> > >> Wang
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> <
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> garyw@apache.org>
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> wrote:
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Hi John
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Thank you for starting this
>> discussion.
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Yes, our community is growing and
>> >> continue
>> >> > >> to
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> attract
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>more
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> people
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > to
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> join
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > our community. Some industry users
>> are
>> >> > aware
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> of mnemonic
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>and
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > already
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> get
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > interested as i known.
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Mnemonic is able to deliver unique
>> >> values
>> >> > to
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> their
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>business
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > so I
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> think
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > that it is very important for us to
>> get
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> mnemonic
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>graduated
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> in
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> time
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > if
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > qualified.
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > My 2 cents, looks nothing left for
>> us to
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> graduate
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>Mnemonic,
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > I'm
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > also
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > looking forward to propose our
>> project
>> >> as
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Apache TLP.
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Thanks!
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Very truly yours
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Gary
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > On Tuesday, May 2, 2017, John D.
>> Ament <
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> johndament@apache.org
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> wrote:
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > Hi Mnemonic PPMC,
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > After looking at your recent
>> release,
>> >> > your
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> current
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>growth
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > and
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > well
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > functioning PPMC, was wondering
>> what was
>> >> > >> left
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> for you
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>guys
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> to
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> graduate?
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > John
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > --
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > Best regards,
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > - Andy
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > If you are given a choice, you believe you
>> >> have
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> acted freely. -
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> Raymond
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > Teller (via Peter Watts)
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> > >> >>>>>>>
>> >> > >> >>>>>
>> >> > >> >>>>
>> >> > >> >>
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> >
>> >>
>>
>
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation?
Posted by "Gang(Gary) Wang" <ga...@apache.org>.
Hi John, Mentors and PPMCs
Looks we have resolved all the issues that you have pointed out for
graduation, meanwhile, there are more contributors +1 for our project's
graduation so, could we start the community graduation vote and IPMC
graduation vote according to the following chart extracted from
http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#community ? Thanks!
[image: Inline image 1]
Very truly yours
Gary
On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 11:22 PM, Wen Tong <pu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> +1 support for graduation.
>
> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 5:35 AM, Wei HE <he...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > +1 support for graduation.
> >
> > Wei HE
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 4:40 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Yes, I also totally agree this and we will try our best for the
> readiness
> >> for the graduation.
> >>
> >> For the suggestion that John advised, we have prepared the following
> >> comments for your review, Thanks!
> >>
> >> *CD20 - You have a link in your header called GITHUB that brought me to
> >> your source code. Other projects use hacking guides. Unless you're on
> >> gitbox, the git primary repo should be the ASF hosted repos.*
> >>
> >> The github link has been removed from CD20 and using
> >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/develop/ as the link of website.
> we
> >> also create ticket MNEMONIC-355 (resolved) to remove Github link from
> >> navigator menu on website.
> >>
> >> *CD30 - The usage of docker is in of itself a violation of this item,
> from
> >> my point of view. In your case, you're pointing to "centos:latest"
> which
> >> today is C7.2, but in a few months will be C7.3.*
> >>
> >> Yes, we will fix it through Apache Jira MNEMONIC-353(reviewed) and
> >> MNEMONIC-356(WIP)
> >>
> >> *CD50 - I can't tell if the pull requests to your repo are from
> committers
> >> or from contributors. If I take
> >> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/pull/60
> >> <https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/pull/60> as an example,
> the
> >> commit message says nothing about provenance of the source code.*
> >>
> >> We have requested to revoke all stalled PRs, and all commit messages
> must
> >> contain Apache JIRA number and title.
> >>
> >> *LC50 - You mention in your response why this is incorrect (the use of
> >> *most*)*
> >>
> >> Yes we will correct it with "The files in the project source repository
> >> have appropriate headers", The files under target/ that generated by mvn
> >> building process would be excluded and all other project files have been
> >> properly licensed and guarded by RAT plugin.
> >>
> >> *RE10 - You link to http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/news/
> >> <http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/news/> but that doesn't include
> any
> >> download links. http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/downloads/
> >> <http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/downloads/> does include download
> >> links to the proper release mirrors.*
> >>
> >> That has been corrected by replacing it with the link
> >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/downloads/
> >>
> >> *RE20 - You mention non-PMC members in the vote (PPMC).*
> >>
> >> Yes, we started with the community vote for releasing and the result
> >> explicitly shows binding and non-binding votes.
> >>
> >> *RE30 - Again, not using mirror.*
> >>
> >> Looks no mirror link in this field.
> >>
> >> *RE40 - Correct answer would be "NO. We do not distribute binary
> >> releases."*
> >>
> >> Yes it is and corrected
> >>
> >> *RE50 - Your release process neglects deleting old artifacts.*
> >>
> >> Sorry I forgot it and corrected it by the Apache Jira ticket
> MNEMONIC-357
> >> (resolved) as well as MNEMONIC-358 (resolved)
> >>
> >> *QU10 - Code quality is more than bug reports. You may want to use
> >> linters, sonar, etc.*
> >>
> >> Yes, we will investigate this plugin and apply them to project later, as
> >> for now, the QU10 has been replaced with "YES. The project records all
> bugs
> >> in the Apache’s JIRA issue tracker. Developer also uses Eclipse or
> Intellij
> >> IDEA to improve their code quality."
> >>
> >> *QU20 - This is only achievable if you've had a security vulnerability
> >> reported. If you haven't had one reported, there's no way to confirm
> >> this.*
> >>
> >> The QU20 has been replaced with "YES. Security issues would be treated
> with
> >> the highest priority, computing service and memory service are separated
> >> from other modules and defined by interfaces, so security concerns
> could be
> >> largely mitigated by introduced this design at first place.", that this
> >> emphasize we consider the security aspect from design viewpoint as well.
> >>
> >> *QU50 - I see that MNEMONIC-203/217 have been open for around 6 months.*
> >>
> >> We have asked owners to properly handle those tickets
> >>
> >> *CO10 - Github shows two pull requests open without any commentary or
> >> questions from the project's committers. Why is that?*
> >>
> >> They are stalled PRs, we have asked the owner to properly revoke them.
> >>
> >> *The full checklist as follows for you to add comments*
> >> https://docs.google.com/document/d/10LKTjPMceV4s4MrSRIA9L8pg7jLFp
> >> -ec-TmW96mZbXM/edit?usp=sharing
> >>
> >> Very truly yours
> >> Gary
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 2:25 PM, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Huge +1 to that.
> >> >
> >> > On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 5:18 PM Henry Saputra <
> henry.saputra@gmail.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > The "checklist" suppose to just provide guide for readiness our
> >> > > graduation. It was NOT mandatory checklist.
> >> > >
> >> > > This should be used primarily for self check to make sure we are
> ready
> >> > for
> >> > > graduation.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > - Henry
> >> > >
> >> > > On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 7:50 PM, John D. Ament <
> johndament@apache.org>
> >> > > wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >> Hello,
> >> > >>
> >> > >> So first, I'll say its always great to see a podling aim to
> graduate.
> >> > Its
> >> > >> not up to me to measure whether the podling has been successful or
> >> not,
> >> > >> but
> >> > >> instead the IPMC as a whole. I can give you some feedback on the
> APMM
> >> > >> assessment, but I'll point out that I'm not a fan of this form and
> >> > >> completing this form is not a requirement for graduation.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> So please, when reviewing the below list, understand that
> completing
> >> > this
> >> > >> is not a requirement for graduation. Even then, podlings who think
> >> they
> >> > >> pass it may be missing things.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> CD20 - You have a link in your header called GITHUB that brought
> me to
> >> > >> your
> >> > >> source code. Other projects use hacking guides. Unless you're on
> >> > gitbox,
> >> > >> the git primary repo should be the ASF hosted repos.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> CD30 - The usage of docker is in of itself a violation of this
> item,
> >> > from
> >> > >> my point of view. In your case, you're pointing to "centos:latest"
> >> > which
> >> > >> today is C7.2, but in a few months will be C7.3.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> CD50 - I can't tell if the pull requests to your repo are from
> >> > committers
> >> > >> or from contributors. If I take
> >> > >> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/pull/60 as an
> example,
> >> the
> >> > >> commit message says nothing about provenance of the source code.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> LC50 - You mention in your response why this is incorrect (the use
> of
> >> > >> *most*)
> >> > >>
> >> > >> RE10 - You link to http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/news/ but
> >> that
> >> > >> doesn't include any download links.
> >> > >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/downloads/ does include
> download
> >> > >> links
> >> > >> to the proper release mirrors.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> RE20 - You mention non-PMC members in the vote (PPMC).
> >> > >>
> >> > >> RE30 - Again, not using mirror.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> RE40 - Correct answer would be "NO. We do not distribute binary
> >> > releases."
> >> > >>
> >> > >> RE50 - Your release process neglects deleting old artifacts.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> QU10 - Code quality is more than bug reports. You may want to use
> >> > >> linters,
> >> > >> sonar, etc.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> QU20 - This is only achievable if you've had a security
> vulnerability
> >> > >> reported. If you haven't had one reported, there's no way to
> confirm
> >> > >> this.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> QU50 - I see that MNEMONIC-203/217 have been open for around 6
> months.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> CO10 - Github shows two pull requests open without any commentary
> or
> >> > >> questions from the project's committers. Why is that?
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Regards,
> >> > >>
> >> > >> John
> >> > >>
> >> > >> On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 3:00 PM Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org>
> >> > wrote:
> >> > >>
> >> > >> > Hi John, Our Mentors and PPMCs
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > We have prepared Apache Maturity checklist for your evaluation,
> >> please
> >> > >> > guide us to graduate our project, thanks.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > All comments and suggestions are welcome!
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > Cheers!
> >> > >> > Gary
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 1:31 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <
> garyw@apache.org>
> >> > >> wrote:
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >> Hi John
> >> > >> >>
> >> > >> >> Fixed it, Thank you for reminding me
> >> > >> >>
> >> > >> >> Very truly yours
> >> > >> >> Gary
> >> > >> >>
> >> > >> >>
> >> > >> >> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 12:39 PM, John D. Ament <
> >> > johndament@apache.org
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >> wrote:
> >> > >> >>
> >> > >> >>> Please take a look at
> >> > >> >>> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/mnemonic/
> >> > >> >>>
> >> > >> >>>
> >> > >> >>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 1:55 PM Gang(Gary) Wang <
> garyw@apache.org
> >> >
> >> > >> >>> wrote:
> >> > >> >>>
> >> > >> >>>> Hi John
> >> > >> >>>>
> >> > >> >>>> This issue has been fixed please refresh your browser and then
> >> > review
> >> > >> >>>> it, Thanks!
> >> > >> >>>>
> >> > >> >>>> Very truly yours
> >> > >> >>>> Gary
> >> > >> >>>>
> >> > >> >>>>
> >> > >> >>>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 10:33 AM, Gang(Gary) Wang <
> >> > garyw@apache.org>
> >> > >> >>>> wrote:
> >> > >> >>>>
> >> > >> >>>>> Hi John
> >> > >> >>>>>
> >> > >> >>>>> I didn't realize that and thank you very much for pointing it
> >> out,
> >> > >> we
> >> > >> >>>>> will correct this according to your guidance.
> >> > >> >>>>>
> >> > >> >>>>> Thanks!
> >> > >> >>>>> Very truly yours
> >> > >> >>>>> Gary
> >> > >> >>>>>
> >> > >> >>>>>
> >> > >> >>>>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 4:54 AM, John D. Ament <
> >> > >> johndament@apache.org>
> >> > >> >>>>> wrote:
> >> > >> >>>>>
> >> > >> >>>>>> Thanks, but you're still out of compliance.
> >> > >> >>>>>>
> >> > >> >>>>>> - You're linking directly to your un-mirrored artifacts, but
> >> you
> >> > >> >>>>>> should be linking to your mirrored artifacts.
> >> > >> >>>>>> - You have not cleaned up your old releases, your old
> releases
> >> > >> should
> >> > >> >>>>>> be archived.
> >> > >> >>>>>>
> >> > >> >>>>>> Now here's the catch - we require mirroring but I can't find
> >> > >> anything
> >> > >> >>>>>> saying what the mirroring URL is. The format is going to be
> >> > >> >>>>>> http://apache.org/dyn/closer.cgi/incubator/mnemonic and
> you'll
> >> > >> want
> >> > >> >>>>>> to grab your specific version from there.
> >> > >> >>>>>>
> >> > >> >>>>>> John
> >> > >> >>>>>>
> >> > >> >>>>>>
> >> > >> >>>>>>
> >> > >> >>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 9:31 PM Gang(Gary) Wang <
> >> > garyw@apache.org>
> >> > >> >>>>>> wrote:
> >> > >> >>>>>>
> >> > >> >>>>>>> Hi John,
> >> > >> >>>>>>>
> >> > >> >>>>>>> The Download menu item has been added to the navigator in
> home
> >> > >> page,
> >> > >> >>>>>>> Please refresh your browser to review it, Thank you very
> much
> >> > for
> >> > >> the
> >> > >> >>>>>>> suggestion.
> >> > >> >>>>>>>
> >> > >> >>>>>>> Very truly yours
> >> > >> >>>>>>> Gary
> >> > >> >>>>>>>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>
> >> > >> >>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 6:04 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <
> >> > >> garyw@apache.org>
> >> > >> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >> > >> >>>>>>>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>> Hi John,
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>> You can download all versions of the package from Apache
> >> > >> >>>>>>>> distribution site that is linked from the following web
> page
> >> > >> >>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/releases
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>> Also, we can download them from Apache Mirrored Github
> page
> >> > >> >>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/releases
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>> We could add another menu item on top of home page
> dedicated
> >> > for
> >> > >> >>>>>>>> downloading the latest one.
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>> Thanks!
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>> Very truly yours
> >> > >> >>>>>>>> Gary
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 5:40 PM, John D. Ament <
> >> > >> >>>>>>>> johndament@apache.org> wrote:
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>> I'm looking at your website. How do I download Mnemonic?
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>> John
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 4:37 PM Gary Wong <
> >> qichfan@gmail.com>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Uma
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Yes, We are going to send out this checklist for PPMC
> >> review,
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Thank you very much for the guidance.
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Very truly yours
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Gary
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Gangumalla, Uma <
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> uma.gangumalla@intel.com> wrote:
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> IMO, Mnemonic project doing good and ready for
> graduation.
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> What is the mentors call on this?
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> I remember many other projects do Maturity model
> checklist
> >> > to
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> check where
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> we are? Gary/John do you mind ready that sheet, so that
> >> will
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> help to
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> assess better?
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Uma
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> On 8/16/17, 12:46 PM, "Johnu George" <johnu@apache.org
> >
> >> > >> wrote:
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >It seems that we are ready to be a top level project .
> >> We
> >> > >> have
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> a stable
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >release and we work well as a apache community under
> the
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> guidance of our
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >mentors. Any thoughts?
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 12:00 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> garyw@apache.org> wrote:
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Dear John and Patrick,
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Thank you for the guidance, we have completed the
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> construction of
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>Mnemonic
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Website recently according to your feedback, this
> >> Apache
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> server hosted
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> website will be kept up to date and maintained by
> >> > dedicated
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> community
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> members. we also have redirected the visitors from
> >> > Github
> >> > >> to
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> our Apache
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> server hosted website by providing a forward link in
> >> > >> project
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> README.md
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> file. Please review it as follows.
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Note: the browser cache may cause unexpected view of
> >> this
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> website,
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>please
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> clear browser cache or visit it in incognito mode.
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Very truly yours.
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Gary
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 6:04 PM, John D. Ament <
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> johndament@apache.org>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> wrote:
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > Hi patrick,
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > I recently raised an issue with the website to the
> >> > >> team. I
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> personally
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > would like to see that fixed before a graduation.
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Specifically saying
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> that
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > you need to learn it from github.
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > John
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:15 PM Patrick Hunt <
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> phunt@apache.org> wrote:
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > Given the recent work to bring on additional RMs
> >> (and
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> increase
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> community
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > involvement in general) and clearly document
> >> release
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> procedures I
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>feel
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > that
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > my previous concerns have been largely
> addressed.
> >> If
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> there is
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>interest
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> in
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > the community I would now be in favor, but up to
> >> you
> >> > -
> >> > >> do
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> you feel
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> you're
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > ready to graduate at this point?
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > Regards,
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > Patrick
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 3:30 PM, Debojyoti Dutta
> <
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> ddutta@apache.org>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > wrote:
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> On the diversity issue, we are trying to solve
> >> that
> >> > >> with
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> new
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> committers
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> from different organizations. We have had
> >> > >> contributions
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> from other
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> companies like Cisco recently.
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> This space is about to heat up soon and we will
> >> see
> >> > >> more
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>committers.
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> cheers
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> debo
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Patrick Hunt <
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> phunt@apache.org>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> wrote:
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > I've mentored a number of podlings over the
> >> years
> >> > >> and
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> this one if
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> very
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> well
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > run and is on a good trajectory. As noted my
> >> main
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> concern is
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>about
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > diversity - in particular "self-sustaining
> and
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> self-governing
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> communities".
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#
> >> > community
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > That's pretty clear and concise statements
> from
> >> > the
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Apache
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>community
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > as
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> a
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > whole as to what it takes. The podling is
> >> > following
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> "the apache
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>way"
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> quite
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > well, so it's really the sustaining part for
> me.
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Ensuring that
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> community is
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > being built and the community as a whole is
> >> owning
> >> > >> the
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> process.
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > Hope this helps, regards,
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > Patrick
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 2:24 PM, Andrew
> Purtell
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >><apurtell@apache.org
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > wrote:
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > For me the best test if a podling is ready
> for
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> graduation is
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>they
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> do
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> it
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > (mostly) for themselves. So, Mnemonic, I'd
> >> > >> encourage
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> you to
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>search
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > through
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > the incubator mailing list archives for
> >> examples
> >> > >> of
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> other
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>podlings
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > running
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > a graduation vote and submitting the
> result to
> >> > the
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> IPMC. Then,
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>do
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > it.
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > I'm glad to see the recent move to bring in
> >> more
> >> > >> RMs
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> in
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>response
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> to
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> the
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > earlier feedback, now that everyone is
> aware
> >> of
> >> > >> it.
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, I
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> didn't
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> think
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > that the incubator report might not be read
> >> > back.
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 5:42 PM, John D.
> Ament
> >> <
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > johndament@apache.org>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > wrote:
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> Patrick,
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> I read it. I'm curious, did you or Andrew
> >> > share
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> your feedback
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> with
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> Mnemonic directly? I've noticed that
> >> podlings
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> sometimes don't
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> see
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> the
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> input, and don't receive responses the way
> >> TLPs
> >> > >> do.
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> For the podling's information, we do also
> >> > >> maintain
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> a whimsy
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>page
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> of
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> all
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> approved board reports per project,
> Mnemonic
> >> > can
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> see that
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > information
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> here:
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> https://whimsy.apache.org/
> >> > board/minutes/Mnemonic
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> When I see a podling receiving 5 +1's on a
> >> dev
> >> > >> list
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> release
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>vote,
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > that's a
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> great sign.
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> There probably is room for more on list
> >> > >> discussion,
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> and yes
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>the
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > committer
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> diversity isn't 100% there (I would be
> >> curious
> >> > to
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> see company
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> affiliations).
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> I'll also point out that I sometimes ask
> >> these
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> questions to
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > podlings
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> to
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> get
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> them to start thinking about graduation,
> not
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> actually moving
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > forward
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> yet
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> due to $reasons.
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 2:58 PM Patrick
> Hunt <
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> phunt@apache.org>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> wrote:
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > Hi John, did you read my feedback on the
> >> most
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> recent podling
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> report?
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > Do
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > you disagree? I don't believe this has
> >> > changed
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>significantly in
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > the
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > past
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > month/two. For example all releases have
> >> been
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> done by a
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>single
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> person.
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > https://wiki.apache.org/
> >> incubator/March2017
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > As I've mentioned previously my only
> >> concerns
> >> > >> at
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> this point
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>are
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> around
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > diversity.
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > Patrick
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 11:07 AM,
> Gang(Gary)
> >> > >> Wang <
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > garyw@apache.org
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> wrote:
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> Hi John and PPMCs
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> As John advised, our community and
> project
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> mnemonic might
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>be
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> ready to
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> get
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> graduated, I'd like to start the
> following
> >> > >> votes
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> according
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>to
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > the
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> processes
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> of
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html
> with
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> your
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> mentoring
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> and guidance if no objection today
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> - Community graduation vote
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> - IPMC recommendation vote
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> Mnemonic Project Incubation Status
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/mnemonic.html
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> Very truly yours
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> +Gary
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 11:26 PM,
> >> Gang(Gary)
> >> > >> Wang
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> <
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> garyw@apache.org>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> wrote:
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Hi John
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Thank you for starting this
> discussion.
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Yes, our community is growing and
> >> continue
> >> > >> to
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> attract
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>more
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> people
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > to
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> join
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > our community. Some industry users
> are
> >> > aware
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> of mnemonic
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>and
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > already
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> get
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > interested as i known.
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Mnemonic is able to deliver unique
> >> values
> >> > to
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> their
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>business
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > so I
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> think
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > that it is very important for us to
> get
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> mnemonic
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>graduated
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> in
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> time
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > if
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > qualified.
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > My 2 cents, looks nothing left for
> us to
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> graduate
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>Mnemonic,
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > I'm
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > also
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > looking forward to propose our
> project
> >> as
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Apache TLP.
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Thanks!
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Very truly yours
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Gary
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > On Tuesday, May 2, 2017, John D.
> Ament <
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> johndament@apache.org
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> wrote:
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > Hi Mnemonic PPMC,
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > After looking at your recent
> release,
> >> > your
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> current
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>growth
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > and
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > well
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > functioning PPMC, was wondering what
> was
> >> > >> left
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> for you
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>guys
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> to
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> graduate?
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > John
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > --
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > Best regards,
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > - Andy
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > If you are given a choice, you believe you
> >> have
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> acted freely. -
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> Raymond
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > Teller (via Peter Watts)
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>
> >> > >> >>>>>
> >> > >> >>>>
> >> > >> >>
> >> > >> >
> >> > >>
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation?
Posted by Rakesh Radhakrishnan <ra...@apache.org>.
+1 support for graduation.
Thank you all contributors for the hard work and continuous efforts!
Thanks,
Rakesh
On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 11:52 AM, Wen Tong <pu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> +1 support for graduation.
>
> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 5:35 AM, Wei HE <he...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > +1 support for graduation.
> >
> > Wei HE
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 4:40 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Yes, I also totally agree this and we will try our best for the
> readiness
> >> for the graduation.
> >>
> >> For the suggestion that John advised, we have prepared the following
> >> comments for your review, Thanks!
> >>
> >> *CD20 - You have a link in your header called GITHUB that brought me to
> >> your source code. Other projects use hacking guides. Unless you're on
> >> gitbox, the git primary repo should be the ASF hosted repos.*
> >>
> >> The github link has been removed from CD20 and using
> >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/develop/ as the link of website.
> we
> >> also create ticket MNEMONIC-355 (resolved) to remove Github link from
> >> navigator menu on website.
> >>
> >> *CD30 - The usage of docker is in of itself a violation of this item,
> from
> >> my point of view. In your case, you're pointing to "centos:latest"
> which
> >> today is C7.2, but in a few months will be C7.3.*
> >>
> >> Yes, we will fix it through Apache Jira MNEMONIC-353(reviewed) and
> >> MNEMONIC-356(WIP)
> >>
> >> *CD50 - I can't tell if the pull requests to your repo are from
> committers
> >> or from contributors. If I take
> >> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/pull/60
> >> <https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/pull/60> as an example,
> the
> >> commit message says nothing about provenance of the source code.*
> >>
> >> We have requested to revoke all stalled PRs, and all commit messages
> must
> >> contain Apache JIRA number and title.
> >>
> >> *LC50 - You mention in your response why this is incorrect (the use of
> >> *most*)*
> >>
> >> Yes we will correct it with "The files in the project source repository
> >> have appropriate headers", The files under target/ that generated by mvn
> >> building process would be excluded and all other project files have been
> >> properly licensed and guarded by RAT plugin.
> >>
> >> *RE10 - You link to http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/news/
> >> <http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/news/> but that doesn't include
> any
> >> download links. http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/downloads/
> >> <http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/downloads/> does include download
> >> links to the proper release mirrors.*
> >>
> >> That has been corrected by replacing it with the link
> >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/downloads/
> >>
> >> *RE20 - You mention non-PMC members in the vote (PPMC).*
> >>
> >> Yes, we started with the community vote for releasing and the result
> >> explicitly shows binding and non-binding votes.
> >>
> >> *RE30 - Again, not using mirror.*
> >>
> >> Looks no mirror link in this field.
> >>
> >> *RE40 - Correct answer would be "NO. We do not distribute binary
> >> releases."*
> >>
> >> Yes it is and corrected
> >>
> >> *RE50 - Your release process neglects deleting old artifacts.*
> >>
> >> Sorry I forgot it and corrected it by the Apache Jira ticket
> MNEMONIC-357
> >> (resolved) as well as MNEMONIC-358 (resolved)
> >>
> >> *QU10 - Code quality is more than bug reports. You may want to use
> >> linters, sonar, etc.*
> >>
> >> Yes, we will investigate this plugin and apply them to project later, as
> >> for now, the QU10 has been replaced with "YES. The project records all
> bugs
> >> in the Apache’s JIRA issue tracker. Developer also uses Eclipse or
> Intellij
> >> IDEA to improve their code quality."
> >>
> >> *QU20 - This is only achievable if you've had a security vulnerability
> >> reported. If you haven't had one reported, there's no way to confirm
> >> this.*
> >>
> >> The QU20 has been replaced with "YES. Security issues would be treated
> with
> >> the highest priority, computing service and memory service are separated
> >> from other modules and defined by interfaces, so security concerns
> could be
> >> largely mitigated by introduced this design at first place.", that this
> >> emphasize we consider the security aspect from design viewpoint as well.
> >>
> >> *QU50 - I see that MNEMONIC-203/217 have been open for around 6 months.*
> >>
> >> We have asked owners to properly handle those tickets
> >>
> >> *CO10 - Github shows two pull requests open without any commentary or
> >> questions from the project's committers. Why is that?*
> >>
> >> They are stalled PRs, we have asked the owner to properly revoke them.
> >>
> >> *The full checklist as follows for you to add comments*
> >> https://docs.google.com/document/d/10LKTjPMceV4s4MrSRIA9L8pg7jLFp
> >> -ec-TmW96mZbXM/edit?usp=sharing
> >>
> >> Very truly yours
> >> Gary
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 2:25 PM, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Huge +1 to that.
> >> >
> >> > On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 5:18 PM Henry Saputra <
> henry.saputra@gmail.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > The "checklist" suppose to just provide guide for readiness our
> >> > > graduation. It was NOT mandatory checklist.
> >> > >
> >> > > This should be used primarily for self check to make sure we are
> ready
> >> > for
> >> > > graduation.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > - Henry
> >> > >
> >> > > On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 7:50 PM, John D. Ament <
> johndament@apache.org>
> >> > > wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >> Hello,
> >> > >>
> >> > >> So first, I'll say its always great to see a podling aim to
> graduate.
> >> > Its
> >> > >> not up to me to measure whether the podling has been successful or
> >> not,
> >> > >> but
> >> > >> instead the IPMC as a whole. I can give you some feedback on the
> APMM
> >> > >> assessment, but I'll point out that I'm not a fan of this form and
> >> > >> completing this form is not a requirement for graduation.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> So please, when reviewing the below list, understand that
> completing
> >> > this
> >> > >> is not a requirement for graduation. Even then, podlings who think
> >> they
> >> > >> pass it may be missing things.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> CD20 - You have a link in your header called GITHUB that brought
> me to
> >> > >> your
> >> > >> source code. Other projects use hacking guides. Unless you're on
> >> > gitbox,
> >> > >> the git primary repo should be the ASF hosted repos.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> CD30 - The usage of docker is in of itself a violation of this
> item,
> >> > from
> >> > >> my point of view. In your case, you're pointing to "centos:latest"
> >> > which
> >> > >> today is C7.2, but in a few months will be C7.3.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> CD50 - I can't tell if the pull requests to your repo are from
> >> > committers
> >> > >> or from contributors. If I take
> >> > >> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/pull/60 as an
> example,
> >> the
> >> > >> commit message says nothing about provenance of the source code.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> LC50 - You mention in your response why this is incorrect (the use
> of
> >> > >> *most*)
> >> > >>
> >> > >> RE10 - You link to http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/news/ but
> >> that
> >> > >> doesn't include any download links.
> >> > >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/downloads/ does include
> download
> >> > >> links
> >> > >> to the proper release mirrors.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> RE20 - You mention non-PMC members in the vote (PPMC).
> >> > >>
> >> > >> RE30 - Again, not using mirror.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> RE40 - Correct answer would be "NO. We do not distribute binary
> >> > releases."
> >> > >>
> >> > >> RE50 - Your release process neglects deleting old artifacts.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> QU10 - Code quality is more than bug reports. You may want to use
> >> > >> linters,
> >> > >> sonar, etc.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> QU20 - This is only achievable if you've had a security
> vulnerability
> >> > >> reported. If you haven't had one reported, there's no way to
> confirm
> >> > >> this.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> QU50 - I see that MNEMONIC-203/217 have been open for around 6
> months.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> CO10 - Github shows two pull requests open without any commentary
> or
> >> > >> questions from the project's committers. Why is that?
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Regards,
> >> > >>
> >> > >> John
> >> > >>
> >> > >> On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 3:00 PM Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org>
> >> > wrote:
> >> > >>
> >> > >> > Hi John, Our Mentors and PPMCs
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > We have prepared Apache Maturity checklist for your evaluation,
> >> please
> >> > >> > guide us to graduate our project, thanks.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > All comments and suggestions are welcome!
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > Cheers!
> >> > >> > Gary
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 1:31 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <
> garyw@apache.org>
> >> > >> wrote:
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >> Hi John
> >> > >> >>
> >> > >> >> Fixed it, Thank you for reminding me
> >> > >> >>
> >> > >> >> Very truly yours
> >> > >> >> Gary
> >> > >> >>
> >> > >> >>
> >> > >> >> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 12:39 PM, John D. Ament <
> >> > johndament@apache.org
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >> wrote:
> >> > >> >>
> >> > >> >>> Please take a look at
> >> > >> >>> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/mnemonic/
> >> > >> >>>
> >> > >> >>>
> >> > >> >>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 1:55 PM Gang(Gary) Wang <
> garyw@apache.org
> >> >
> >> > >> >>> wrote:
> >> > >> >>>
> >> > >> >>>> Hi John
> >> > >> >>>>
> >> > >> >>>> This issue has been fixed please refresh your browser and then
> >> > review
> >> > >> >>>> it, Thanks!
> >> > >> >>>>
> >> > >> >>>> Very truly yours
> >> > >> >>>> Gary
> >> > >> >>>>
> >> > >> >>>>
> >> > >> >>>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 10:33 AM, Gang(Gary) Wang <
> >> > garyw@apache.org>
> >> > >> >>>> wrote:
> >> > >> >>>>
> >> > >> >>>>> Hi John
> >> > >> >>>>>
> >> > >> >>>>> I didn't realize that and thank you very much for pointing it
> >> out,
> >> > >> we
> >> > >> >>>>> will correct this according to your guidance.
> >> > >> >>>>>
> >> > >> >>>>> Thanks!
> >> > >> >>>>> Very truly yours
> >> > >> >>>>> Gary
> >> > >> >>>>>
> >> > >> >>>>>
> >> > >> >>>>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 4:54 AM, John D. Ament <
> >> > >> johndament@apache.org>
> >> > >> >>>>> wrote:
> >> > >> >>>>>
> >> > >> >>>>>> Thanks, but you're still out of compliance.
> >> > >> >>>>>>
> >> > >> >>>>>> - You're linking directly to your un-mirrored artifacts, but
> >> you
> >> > >> >>>>>> should be linking to your mirrored artifacts.
> >> > >> >>>>>> - You have not cleaned up your old releases, your old
> releases
> >> > >> should
> >> > >> >>>>>> be archived.
> >> > >> >>>>>>
> >> > >> >>>>>> Now here's the catch - we require mirroring but I can't find
> >> > >> anything
> >> > >> >>>>>> saying what the mirroring URL is. The format is going to be
> >> > >> >>>>>> http://apache.org/dyn/closer.cgi/incubator/mnemonic and
> you'll
> >> > >> want
> >> > >> >>>>>> to grab your specific version from there.
> >> > >> >>>>>>
> >> > >> >>>>>> John
> >> > >> >>>>>>
> >> > >> >>>>>>
> >> > >> >>>>>>
> >> > >> >>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 9:31 PM Gang(Gary) Wang <
> >> > garyw@apache.org>
> >> > >> >>>>>> wrote:
> >> > >> >>>>>>
> >> > >> >>>>>>> Hi John,
> >> > >> >>>>>>>
> >> > >> >>>>>>> The Download menu item has been added to the navigator in
> home
> >> > >> page,
> >> > >> >>>>>>> Please refresh your browser to review it, Thank you very
> much
> >> > for
> >> > >> the
> >> > >> >>>>>>> suggestion.
> >> > >> >>>>>>>
> >> > >> >>>>>>> Very truly yours
> >> > >> >>>>>>> Gary
> >> > >> >>>>>>>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>
> >> > >> >>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 6:04 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <
> >> > >> garyw@apache.org>
> >> > >> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >> > >> >>>>>>>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>> Hi John,
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>> You can download all versions of the package from Apache
> >> > >> >>>>>>>> distribution site that is linked from the following web
> page
> >> > >> >>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/releases
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>> Also, we can download them from Apache Mirrored Github
> page
> >> > >> >>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/releases
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>> We could add another menu item on top of home page
> dedicated
> >> > for
> >> > >> >>>>>>>> downloading the latest one.
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>> Thanks!
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>> Very truly yours
> >> > >> >>>>>>>> Gary
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 5:40 PM, John D. Ament <
> >> > >> >>>>>>>> johndament@apache.org> wrote:
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>> I'm looking at your website. How do I download Mnemonic?
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>> John
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 4:37 PM Gary Wong <
> >> qichfan@gmail.com>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Uma
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Yes, We are going to send out this checklist for PPMC
> >> review,
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Thank you very much for the guidance.
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Very truly yours
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Gary
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Gangumalla, Uma <
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> uma.gangumalla@intel.com> wrote:
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> IMO, Mnemonic project doing good and ready for
> graduation.
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> What is the mentors call on this?
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> I remember many other projects do Maturity model
> checklist
> >> > to
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> check where
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> we are? Gary/John do you mind ready that sheet, so that
> >> will
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> help to
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> assess better?
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Uma
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> On 8/16/17, 12:46 PM, "Johnu George" <johnu@apache.org
> >
> >> > >> wrote:
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >It seems that we are ready to be a top level project .
> >> We
> >> > >> have
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> a stable
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >release and we work well as a apache community under
> the
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> guidance of our
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >mentors. Any thoughts?
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 12:00 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> garyw@apache.org> wrote:
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Dear John and Patrick,
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Thank you for the guidance, we have completed the
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> construction of
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>Mnemonic
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Website recently according to your feedback, this
> >> Apache
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> server hosted
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> website will be kept up to date and maintained by
> >> > dedicated
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> community
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> members. we also have redirected the visitors from
> >> > Github
> >> > >> to
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> our Apache
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> server hosted website by providing a forward link in
> >> > >> project
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> README.md
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> file. Please review it as follows.
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Note: the browser cache may cause unexpected view of
> >> this
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> website,
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>please
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> clear browser cache or visit it in incognito mode.
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Very truly yours.
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Gary
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 6:04 PM, John D. Ament <
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> johndament@apache.org>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> wrote:
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > Hi patrick,
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > I recently raised an issue with the website to the
> >> > >> team. I
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> personally
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > would like to see that fixed before a graduation.
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Specifically saying
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> that
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > you need to learn it from github.
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > John
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:15 PM Patrick Hunt <
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> phunt@apache.org> wrote:
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > Given the recent work to bring on additional RMs
> >> (and
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> increase
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> community
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > involvement in general) and clearly document
> >> release
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> procedures I
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>feel
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > that
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > my previous concerns have been largely
> addressed.
> >> If
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> there is
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>interest
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> in
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > the community I would now be in favor, but up to
> >> you
> >> > -
> >> > >> do
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> you feel
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> you're
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > ready to graduate at this point?
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > Regards,
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > Patrick
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 3:30 PM, Debojyoti Dutta
> <
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> ddutta@apache.org>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > wrote:
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> On the diversity issue, we are trying to solve
> >> that
> >> > >> with
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> new
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> committers
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> from different organizations. We have had
> >> > >> contributions
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> from other
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> companies like Cisco recently.
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> This space is about to heat up soon and we will
> >> see
> >> > >> more
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>committers.
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> cheers
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> debo
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Patrick Hunt <
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> phunt@apache.org>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> wrote:
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > I've mentored a number of podlings over the
> >> years
> >> > >> and
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> this one if
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> very
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> well
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > run and is on a good trajectory. As noted my
> >> main
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> concern is
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>about
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > diversity - in particular "self-sustaining
> and
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> self-governing
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> communities".
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#
> >> > community
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > That's pretty clear and concise statements
> from
> >> > the
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Apache
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>community
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > as
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> a
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > whole as to what it takes. The podling is
> >> > following
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> "the apache
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>way"
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> quite
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > well, so it's really the sustaining part for
> me.
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Ensuring that
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> community is
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > being built and the community as a whole is
> >> owning
> >> > >> the
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> process.
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > Hope this helps, regards,
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > Patrick
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 2:24 PM, Andrew
> Purtell
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >><apurtell@apache.org
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > wrote:
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > For me the best test if a podling is ready
> for
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> graduation is
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>they
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> do
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> it
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > (mostly) for themselves. So, Mnemonic, I'd
> >> > >> encourage
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> you to
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>search
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > through
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > the incubator mailing list archives for
> >> examples
> >> > >> of
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> other
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>podlings
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > running
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > a graduation vote and submitting the
> result to
> >> > the
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> IPMC. Then,
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>do
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > it.
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > I'm glad to see the recent move to bring in
> >> more
> >> > >> RMs
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> in
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>response
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> to
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> the
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > earlier feedback, now that everyone is
> aware
> >> of
> >> > >> it.
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, I
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> didn't
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> think
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > that the incubator report might not be read
> >> > back.
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 5:42 PM, John D.
> Ament
> >> <
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > johndament@apache.org>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > wrote:
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> Patrick,
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> I read it. I'm curious, did you or Andrew
> >> > share
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> your feedback
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> with
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> Mnemonic directly? I've noticed that
> >> podlings
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> sometimes don't
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> see
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> the
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> input, and don't receive responses the way
> >> TLPs
> >> > >> do.
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> For the podling's information, we do also
> >> > >> maintain
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> a whimsy
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>page
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> of
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> all
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> approved board reports per project,
> Mnemonic
> >> > can
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> see that
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > information
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> here:
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> https://whimsy.apache.org/
> >> > board/minutes/Mnemonic
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> When I see a podling receiving 5 +1's on a
> >> dev
> >> > >> list
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> release
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>vote,
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > that's a
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> great sign.
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> There probably is room for more on list
> >> > >> discussion,
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> and yes
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>the
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > committer
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> diversity isn't 100% there (I would be
> >> curious
> >> > to
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> see company
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> affiliations).
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> I'll also point out that I sometimes ask
> >> these
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> questions to
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > podlings
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> to
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> get
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> them to start thinking about graduation,
> not
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> actually moving
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > forward
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> yet
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> due to $reasons.
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 2:58 PM Patrick
> Hunt <
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> phunt@apache.org>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> wrote:
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > Hi John, did you read my feedback on the
> >> most
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> recent podling
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> report?
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > Do
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > you disagree? I don't believe this has
> >> > changed
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>significantly in
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > the
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > past
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > month/two. For example all releases have
> >> been
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> done by a
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>single
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> person.
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > https://wiki.apache.org/
> >> incubator/March2017
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > As I've mentioned previously my only
> >> concerns
> >> > >> at
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> this point
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>are
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> around
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > diversity.
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > Patrick
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 11:07 AM,
> Gang(Gary)
> >> > >> Wang <
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > garyw@apache.org
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> wrote:
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> Hi John and PPMCs
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> As John advised, our community and
> project
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> mnemonic might
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>be
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> ready to
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> get
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> graduated, I'd like to start the
> following
> >> > >> votes
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> according
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>to
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > the
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> processes
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> of
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html
> with
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> your
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> mentoring
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> and guidance if no objection today
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> - Community graduation vote
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> - IPMC recommendation vote
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> Mnemonic Project Incubation Status
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/mnemonic.html
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> Very truly yours
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> +Gary
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 11:26 PM,
> >> Gang(Gary)
> >> > >> Wang
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> <
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> garyw@apache.org>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> wrote:
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Hi John
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Thank you for starting this
> discussion.
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Yes, our community is growing and
> >> continue
> >> > >> to
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> attract
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>more
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> people
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > to
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> join
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > our community. Some industry users
> are
> >> > aware
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> of mnemonic
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>and
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > already
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> get
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > interested as i known.
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Mnemonic is able to deliver unique
> >> values
> >> > to
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> their
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>business
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > so I
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> think
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > that it is very important for us to
> get
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> mnemonic
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>graduated
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> in
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> time
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > if
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > qualified.
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > My 2 cents, looks nothing left for
> us to
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> graduate
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>Mnemonic,
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > I'm
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > also
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > looking forward to propose our
> project
> >> as
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Apache TLP.
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Thanks!
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Very truly yours
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Gary
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > On Tuesday, May 2, 2017, John D.
> Ament <
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> johndament@apache.org
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> wrote:
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > Hi Mnemonic PPMC,
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > After looking at your recent
> release,
> >> > your
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> current
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>growth
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > and
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > well
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > functioning PPMC, was wondering what
> was
> >> > >> left
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> for you
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>guys
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> to
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> graduate?
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > John
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > --
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > Best regards,
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > - Andy
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > If you are given a choice, you believe you
> >> have
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> acted freely. -
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> Raymond
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > Teller (via Peter Watts)
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>>
> >> > >> >>>>>>>
> >> > >> >>>>>
> >> > >> >>>>
> >> > >> >>
> >> > >> >
> >> > >>
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation?
Posted by Wen Tong <pu...@gmail.com>.
+1 support for graduation.
On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 5:35 AM, Wei HE <he...@gmail.com> wrote:
> +1 support for graduation.
>
> Wei HE
>
> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 4:40 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> Yes, I also totally agree this and we will try our best for the readiness
>> for the graduation.
>>
>> For the suggestion that John advised, we have prepared the following
>> comments for your review, Thanks!
>>
>> *CD20 - You have a link in your header called GITHUB that brought me to
>> your source code. Other projects use hacking guides. Unless you're on
>> gitbox, the git primary repo should be the ASF hosted repos.*
>>
>> The github link has been removed from CD20 and using
>> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/develop/ as the link of website. we
>> also create ticket MNEMONIC-355 (resolved) to remove Github link from
>> navigator menu on website.
>>
>> *CD30 - The usage of docker is in of itself a violation of this item, from
>> my point of view. In your case, you're pointing to "centos:latest" which
>> today is C7.2, but in a few months will be C7.3.*
>>
>> Yes, we will fix it through Apache Jira MNEMONIC-353(reviewed) and
>> MNEMONIC-356(WIP)
>>
>> *CD50 - I can't tell if the pull requests to your repo are from committers
>> or from contributors. If I take
>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/pull/60
>> <https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/pull/60> as an example, the
>> commit message says nothing about provenance of the source code.*
>>
>> We have requested to revoke all stalled PRs, and all commit messages must
>> contain Apache JIRA number and title.
>>
>> *LC50 - You mention in your response why this is incorrect (the use of
>> *most*)*
>>
>> Yes we will correct it with "The files in the project source repository
>> have appropriate headers", The files under target/ that generated by mvn
>> building process would be excluded and all other project files have been
>> properly licensed and guarded by RAT plugin.
>>
>> *RE10 - You link to http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/news/
>> <http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/news/> but that doesn't include any
>> download links. http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/downloads/
>> <http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/downloads/> does include download
>> links to the proper release mirrors.*
>>
>> That has been corrected by replacing it with the link
>> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/downloads/
>>
>> *RE20 - You mention non-PMC members in the vote (PPMC).*
>>
>> Yes, we started with the community vote for releasing and the result
>> explicitly shows binding and non-binding votes.
>>
>> *RE30 - Again, not using mirror.*
>>
>> Looks no mirror link in this field.
>>
>> *RE40 - Correct answer would be "NO. We do not distribute binary
>> releases."*
>>
>> Yes it is and corrected
>>
>> *RE50 - Your release process neglects deleting old artifacts.*
>>
>> Sorry I forgot it and corrected it by the Apache Jira ticket MNEMONIC-357
>> (resolved) as well as MNEMONIC-358 (resolved)
>>
>> *QU10 - Code quality is more than bug reports. You may want to use
>> linters, sonar, etc.*
>>
>> Yes, we will investigate this plugin and apply them to project later, as
>> for now, the QU10 has been replaced with "YES. The project records all bugs
>> in the Apache’s JIRA issue tracker. Developer also uses Eclipse or Intellij
>> IDEA to improve their code quality."
>>
>> *QU20 - This is only achievable if you've had a security vulnerability
>> reported. If you haven't had one reported, there's no way to confirm
>> this.*
>>
>> The QU20 has been replaced with "YES. Security issues would be treated with
>> the highest priority, computing service and memory service are separated
>> from other modules and defined by interfaces, so security concerns could be
>> largely mitigated by introduced this design at first place.", that this
>> emphasize we consider the security aspect from design viewpoint as well.
>>
>> *QU50 - I see that MNEMONIC-203/217 have been open for around 6 months.*
>>
>> We have asked owners to properly handle those tickets
>>
>> *CO10 - Github shows two pull requests open without any commentary or
>> questions from the project's committers. Why is that?*
>>
>> They are stalled PRs, we have asked the owner to properly revoke them.
>>
>> *The full checklist as follows for you to add comments*
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/10LKTjPMceV4s4MrSRIA9L8pg7jLFp
>> -ec-TmW96mZbXM/edit?usp=sharing
>>
>> Very truly yours
>> Gary
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 2:25 PM, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Huge +1 to that.
>> >
>> > On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 5:18 PM Henry Saputra <he...@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > The "checklist" suppose to just provide guide for readiness our
>> > > graduation. It was NOT mandatory checklist.
>> > >
>> > > This should be used primarily for self check to make sure we are ready
>> > for
>> > > graduation.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > - Henry
>> > >
>> > > On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 7:50 PM, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> Hello,
>> > >>
>> > >> So first, I'll say its always great to see a podling aim to graduate.
>> > Its
>> > >> not up to me to measure whether the podling has been successful or
>> not,
>> > >> but
>> > >> instead the IPMC as a whole. I can give you some feedback on the APMM
>> > >> assessment, but I'll point out that I'm not a fan of this form and
>> > >> completing this form is not a requirement for graduation.
>> > >>
>> > >> So please, when reviewing the below list, understand that completing
>> > this
>> > >> is not a requirement for graduation. Even then, podlings who think
>> they
>> > >> pass it may be missing things.
>> > >>
>> > >> CD20 - You have a link in your header called GITHUB that brought me to
>> > >> your
>> > >> source code. Other projects use hacking guides. Unless you're on
>> > gitbox,
>> > >> the git primary repo should be the ASF hosted repos.
>> > >>
>> > >> CD30 - The usage of docker is in of itself a violation of this item,
>> > from
>> > >> my point of view. In your case, you're pointing to "centos:latest"
>> > which
>> > >> today is C7.2, but in a few months will be C7.3.
>> > >>
>> > >> CD50 - I can't tell if the pull requests to your repo are from
>> > committers
>> > >> or from contributors. If I take
>> > >> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/pull/60 as an example,
>> the
>> > >> commit message says nothing about provenance of the source code.
>> > >>
>> > >> LC50 - You mention in your response why this is incorrect (the use of
>> > >> *most*)
>> > >>
>> > >> RE10 - You link to http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/news/ but
>> that
>> > >> doesn't include any download links.
>> > >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/downloads/ does include download
>> > >> links
>> > >> to the proper release mirrors.
>> > >>
>> > >> RE20 - You mention non-PMC members in the vote (PPMC).
>> > >>
>> > >> RE30 - Again, not using mirror.
>> > >>
>> > >> RE40 - Correct answer would be "NO. We do not distribute binary
>> > releases."
>> > >>
>> > >> RE50 - Your release process neglects deleting old artifacts.
>> > >>
>> > >> QU10 - Code quality is more than bug reports. You may want to use
>> > >> linters,
>> > >> sonar, etc.
>> > >>
>> > >> QU20 - This is only achievable if you've had a security vulnerability
>> > >> reported. If you haven't had one reported, there's no way to confirm
>> > >> this.
>> > >>
>> > >> QU50 - I see that MNEMONIC-203/217 have been open for around 6 months.
>> > >>
>> > >> CO10 - Github shows two pull requests open without any commentary or
>> > >> questions from the project's committers. Why is that?
>> > >>
>> > >> Regards,
>> > >>
>> > >> John
>> > >>
>> > >> On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 3:00 PM Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org>
>> > wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> > Hi John, Our Mentors and PPMCs
>> > >> >
>> > >> > We have prepared Apache Maturity checklist for your evaluation,
>> please
>> > >> > guide us to graduate our project, thanks.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > All comments and suggestions are welcome!
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Cheers!
>> > >> > Gary
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> > On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 1:31 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org>
>> > >> wrote:
>> > >> >
>> > >> >> Hi John
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> Fixed it, Thank you for reminding me
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> Very truly yours
>> > >> >> Gary
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 12:39 PM, John D. Ament <
>> > johndament@apache.org
>> > >> >
>> > >> >> wrote:
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >>> Please take a look at
>> > >> >>> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/mnemonic/
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 1:55 PM Gang(Gary) Wang <garyw@apache.org
>> >
>> > >> >>> wrote:
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>>> Hi John
>> > >> >>>>
>> > >> >>>> This issue has been fixed please refresh your browser and then
>> > review
>> > >> >>>> it, Thanks!
>> > >> >>>>
>> > >> >>>> Very truly yours
>> > >> >>>> Gary
>> > >> >>>>
>> > >> >>>>
>> > >> >>>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 10:33 AM, Gang(Gary) Wang <
>> > garyw@apache.org>
>> > >> >>>> wrote:
>> > >> >>>>
>> > >> >>>>> Hi John
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>> I didn't realize that and thank you very much for pointing it
>> out,
>> > >> we
>> > >> >>>>> will correct this according to your guidance.
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>> Thanks!
>> > >> >>>>> Very truly yours
>> > >> >>>>> Gary
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 4:54 AM, John D. Ament <
>> > >> johndament@apache.org>
>> > >> >>>>> wrote:
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>> Thanks, but you're still out of compliance.
>> > >> >>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>> - You're linking directly to your un-mirrored artifacts, but
>> you
>> > >> >>>>>> should be linking to your mirrored artifacts.
>> > >> >>>>>> - You have not cleaned up your old releases, your old releases
>> > >> should
>> > >> >>>>>> be archived.
>> > >> >>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>> Now here's the catch - we require mirroring but I can't find
>> > >> anything
>> > >> >>>>>> saying what the mirroring URL is. The format is going to be
>> > >> >>>>>> http://apache.org/dyn/closer.cgi/incubator/mnemonic and you'll
>> > >> want
>> > >> >>>>>> to grab your specific version from there.
>> > >> >>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>> John
>> > >> >>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 9:31 PM Gang(Gary) Wang <
>> > garyw@apache.org>
>> > >> >>>>>> wrote:
>> > >> >>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>> Hi John,
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>> The Download menu item has been added to the navigator in home
>> > >> page,
>> > >> >>>>>>> Please refresh your browser to review it, Thank you very much
>> > for
>> > >> the
>> > >> >>>>>>> suggestion.
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>> Very truly yours
>> > >> >>>>>>> Gary
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 6:04 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <
>> > >> garyw@apache.org>
>> > >> >>>>>>> wrote:
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>> Hi John,
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>> You can download all versions of the package from Apache
>> > >> >>>>>>>> distribution site that is linked from the following web page
>> > >> >>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/releases
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>> Also, we can download them from Apache Mirrored Github page
>> > >> >>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/releases
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>> We could add another menu item on top of home page dedicated
>> > for
>> > >> >>>>>>>> downloading the latest one.
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>> Thanks!
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>> Very truly yours
>> > >> >>>>>>>> Gary
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 5:40 PM, John D. Ament <
>> > >> >>>>>>>> johndament@apache.org> wrote:
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>> I'm looking at your website. How do I download Mnemonic?
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>> John
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 4:37 PM Gary Wong <
>> qichfan@gmail.com>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Uma
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Yes, We are going to send out this checklist for PPMC
>> review,
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Thank you very much for the guidance.
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Very truly yours
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Gary
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Gangumalla, Uma <
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> uma.gangumalla@intel.com> wrote:
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> IMO, Mnemonic project doing good and ready for graduation.
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> What is the mentors call on this?
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> I remember many other projects do Maturity model checklist
>> > to
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> check where
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> we are? Gary/John do you mind ready that sheet, so that
>> will
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> help to
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> assess better?
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Uma
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> On 8/16/17, 12:46 PM, "Johnu George" <jo...@apache.org>
>> > >> wrote:
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >It seems that we are ready to be a top level project .
>> We
>> > >> have
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> a stable
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >release and we work well as a apache community under the
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> guidance of our
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >mentors. Any thoughts?
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 12:00 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> garyw@apache.org> wrote:
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Dear John and Patrick,
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Thank you for the guidance, we have completed the
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> construction of
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>Mnemonic
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Website recently according to your feedback, this
>> Apache
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> server hosted
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> website will be kept up to date and maintained by
>> > dedicated
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> community
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> members. we also have redirected the visitors from
>> > Github
>> > >> to
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> our Apache
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> server hosted website by providing a forward link in
>> > >> project
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> README.md
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> file. Please review it as follows.
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Note: the browser cache may cause unexpected view of
>> this
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> website,
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>please
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> clear browser cache or visit it in incognito mode.
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Very truly yours.
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Gary
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 6:04 PM, John D. Ament <
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> johndament@apache.org>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> wrote:
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > Hi patrick,
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > I recently raised an issue with the website to the
>> > >> team. I
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> personally
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > would like to see that fixed before a graduation.
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Specifically saying
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> that
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > you need to learn it from github.
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > John
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:15 PM Patrick Hunt <
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> phunt@apache.org> wrote:
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > Given the recent work to bring on additional RMs
>> (and
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> increase
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> community
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > involvement in general) and clearly document
>> release
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> procedures I
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>feel
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > that
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > my previous concerns have been largely addressed.
>> If
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> there is
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>interest
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> in
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > the community I would now be in favor, but up to
>> you
>> > -
>> > >> do
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> you feel
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> you're
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > ready to graduate at this point?
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > Regards,
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > Patrick
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 3:30 PM, Debojyoti Dutta <
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> ddutta@apache.org>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > wrote:
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> On the diversity issue, we are trying to solve
>> that
>> > >> with
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> new
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> committers
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> from different organizations. We have had
>> > >> contributions
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> from other
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> companies like Cisco recently.
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> This space is about to heat up soon and we will
>> see
>> > >> more
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>committers.
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> cheers
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> debo
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Patrick Hunt <
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> phunt@apache.org>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> wrote:
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > I've mentored a number of podlings over the
>> years
>> > >> and
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> this one if
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> very
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> well
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > run and is on a good trajectory. As noted my
>> main
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> concern is
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>about
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > diversity - in particular "self-sustaining and
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> self-governing
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> communities".
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#
>> > community
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > That's pretty clear and concise statements from
>> > the
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Apache
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>community
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > as
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> a
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > whole as to what it takes. The podling is
>> > following
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> "the apache
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>way"
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> quite
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > well, so it's really the sustaining part for me.
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Ensuring that
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> community is
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > being built and the community as a whole is
>> owning
>> > >> the
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> process.
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > Hope this helps, regards,
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > Patrick
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 2:24 PM, Andrew Purtell
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >><apurtell@apache.org
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > wrote:
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > For me the best test if a podling is ready for
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> graduation is
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>they
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> do
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> it
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > (mostly) for themselves. So, Mnemonic, I'd
>> > >> encourage
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> you to
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>search
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > through
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > the incubator mailing list archives for
>> examples
>> > >> of
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> other
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>podlings
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > running
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > a graduation vote and submitting the result to
>> > the
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> IPMC. Then,
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>do
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > it.
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > I'm glad to see the recent move to bring in
>> more
>> > >> RMs
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> in
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>response
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> to
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> the
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > earlier feedback, now that everyone is aware
>> of
>> > >> it.
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, I
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> didn't
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> think
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > that the incubator report might not be read
>> > back.
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 5:42 PM, John D. Ament
>> <
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > johndament@apache.org>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > wrote:
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> Patrick,
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> I read it. I'm curious, did you or Andrew
>> > share
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> your feedback
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> with
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> Mnemonic directly? I've noticed that
>> podlings
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> sometimes don't
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> see
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> the
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> input, and don't receive responses the way
>> TLPs
>> > >> do.
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> For the podling's information, we do also
>> > >> maintain
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> a whimsy
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>page
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> of
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> all
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> approved board reports per project, Mnemonic
>> > can
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> see that
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > information
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> here:
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> https://whimsy.apache.org/
>> > board/minutes/Mnemonic
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> When I see a podling receiving 5 +1's on a
>> dev
>> > >> list
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> release
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>vote,
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > that's a
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> great sign.
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> There probably is room for more on list
>> > >> discussion,
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> and yes
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>the
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > committer
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> diversity isn't 100% there (I would be
>> curious
>> > to
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> see company
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> affiliations).
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> I'll also point out that I sometimes ask
>> these
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> questions to
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > podlings
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> to
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> get
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> them to start thinking about graduation, not
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> actually moving
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > forward
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> yet
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> due to $reasons.
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 2:58 PM Patrick Hunt <
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> phunt@apache.org>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> wrote:
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > Hi John, did you read my feedback on the
>> most
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> recent podling
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> report?
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > Do
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > you disagree? I don't believe this has
>> > changed
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>significantly in
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > the
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > past
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > month/two. For example all releases have
>> been
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> done by a
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>single
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> person.
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > https://wiki.apache.org/
>> incubator/March2017
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > As I've mentioned previously my only
>> concerns
>> > >> at
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> this point
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>are
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> around
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > diversity.
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > Patrick
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 11:07 AM, Gang(Gary)
>> > >> Wang <
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > garyw@apache.org
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> wrote:
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> Hi John and PPMCs
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> As John advised, our community and project
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> mnemonic might
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>be
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> ready to
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> get
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> graduated, I'd like to start the following
>> > >> votes
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> according
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>to
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > the
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> processes
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> of
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html with
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> your
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> mentoring
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> and guidance if no objection today
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> - Community graduation vote
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> - IPMC recommendation vote
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> Mnemonic Project Incubation Status
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/mnemonic.html
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> Very truly yours
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> +Gary
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 11:26 PM,
>> Gang(Gary)
>> > >> Wang
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> <
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> garyw@apache.org>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> wrote:
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Hi John
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Thank you for starting this discussion.
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Yes, our community is growing and
>> continue
>> > >> to
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> attract
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>more
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> people
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > to
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> join
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > our community. Some industry users are
>> > aware
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> of mnemonic
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>and
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > already
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> get
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > interested as i known.
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Mnemonic is able to deliver unique
>> values
>> > to
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> their
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>business
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > so I
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> think
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > that it is very important for us to get
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> mnemonic
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>graduated
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> in
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> time
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > if
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > qualified.
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > My 2 cents, looks nothing left for us to
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> graduate
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>Mnemonic,
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > I'm
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > also
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > looking forward to propose our project
>> as
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Apache TLP.
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Thanks!
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Very truly yours
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Gary
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > On Tuesday, May 2, 2017, John D. Ament <
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> johndament@apache.org
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> wrote:
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > Hi Mnemonic PPMC,
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > After looking at your recent release,
>> > your
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> current
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>growth
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > and
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > well
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > functioning PPMC, was wondering what was
>> > >> left
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> for you
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>guys
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> to
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> graduate?
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > John
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > --
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > Best regards,
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > - Andy
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > If you are given a choice, you believe you
>> have
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> acted freely. -
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> Raymond
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > Teller (via Peter Watts)
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation?
Posted by Wei HE <he...@gmail.com>.
+1 support for graduation.
Wei HE
On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 4:40 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org> wrote:
> Yes, I also totally agree this and we will try our best for the readiness
> for the graduation.
>
> For the suggestion that John advised, we have prepared the following
> comments for your review, Thanks!
>
> *CD20 - You have a link in your header called GITHUB that brought me to
> your source code. Other projects use hacking guides. Unless you're on
> gitbox, the git primary repo should be the ASF hosted repos.*
>
> The github link has been removed from CD20 and using
> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/develop/ as the link of website. we
> also create ticket MNEMONIC-355 (resolved) to remove Github link from
> navigator menu on website.
>
> *CD30 - The usage of docker is in of itself a violation of this item, from
> my point of view. In your case, you're pointing to "centos:latest" which
> today is C7.2, but in a few months will be C7.3.*
>
> Yes, we will fix it through Apache Jira MNEMONIC-353(reviewed) and
> MNEMONIC-356(WIP)
>
> *CD50 - I can't tell if the pull requests to your repo are from committers
> or from contributors. If I take
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/pull/60
> <https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/pull/60> as an example, the
> commit message says nothing about provenance of the source code.*
>
> We have requested to revoke all stalled PRs, and all commit messages must
> contain Apache JIRA number and title.
>
> *LC50 - You mention in your response why this is incorrect (the use of
> *most*)*
>
> Yes we will correct it with "The files in the project source repository
> have appropriate headers", The files under target/ that generated by mvn
> building process would be excluded and all other project files have been
> properly licensed and guarded by RAT plugin.
>
> *RE10 - You link to http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/news/
> <http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/news/> but that doesn't include any
> download links. http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/downloads/
> <http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/downloads/> does include download
> links to the proper release mirrors.*
>
> That has been corrected by replacing it with the link
> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/downloads/
>
> *RE20 - You mention non-PMC members in the vote (PPMC).*
>
> Yes, we started with the community vote for releasing and the result
> explicitly shows binding and non-binding votes.
>
> *RE30 - Again, not using mirror.*
>
> Looks no mirror link in this field.
>
> *RE40 - Correct answer would be "NO. We do not distribute binary
> releases."*
>
> Yes it is and corrected
>
> *RE50 - Your release process neglects deleting old artifacts.*
>
> Sorry I forgot it and corrected it by the Apache Jira ticket MNEMONIC-357
> (resolved) as well as MNEMONIC-358 (resolved)
>
> *QU10 - Code quality is more than bug reports. You may want to use
> linters, sonar, etc.*
>
> Yes, we will investigate this plugin and apply them to project later, as
> for now, the QU10 has been replaced with "YES. The project records all bugs
> in the Apache’s JIRA issue tracker. Developer also uses Eclipse or Intellij
> IDEA to improve their code quality."
>
> *QU20 - This is only achievable if you've had a security vulnerability
> reported. If you haven't had one reported, there's no way to confirm
> this.*
>
> The QU20 has been replaced with "YES. Security issues would be treated with
> the highest priority, computing service and memory service are separated
> from other modules and defined by interfaces, so security concerns could be
> largely mitigated by introduced this design at first place.", that this
> emphasize we consider the security aspect from design viewpoint as well.
>
> *QU50 - I see that MNEMONIC-203/217 have been open for around 6 months.*
>
> We have asked owners to properly handle those tickets
>
> *CO10 - Github shows two pull requests open without any commentary or
> questions from the project's committers. Why is that?*
>
> They are stalled PRs, we have asked the owner to properly revoke them.
>
> *The full checklist as follows for you to add comments*
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/10LKTjPMceV4s4MrSRIA9L8pg7jLFp
> -ec-TmW96mZbXM/edit?usp=sharing
>
> Very truly yours
> Gary
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 2:25 PM, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
> > Huge +1 to that.
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 5:18 PM Henry Saputra <he...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > The "checklist" suppose to just provide guide for readiness our
> > > graduation. It was NOT mandatory checklist.
> > >
> > > This should be used primarily for self check to make sure we are ready
> > for
> > > graduation.
> > >
> > >
> > > - Henry
> > >
> > > On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 7:50 PM, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hello,
> > >>
> > >> So first, I'll say its always great to see a podling aim to graduate.
> > Its
> > >> not up to me to measure whether the podling has been successful or
> not,
> > >> but
> > >> instead the IPMC as a whole. I can give you some feedback on the APMM
> > >> assessment, but I'll point out that I'm not a fan of this form and
> > >> completing this form is not a requirement for graduation.
> > >>
> > >> So please, when reviewing the below list, understand that completing
> > this
> > >> is not a requirement for graduation. Even then, podlings who think
> they
> > >> pass it may be missing things.
> > >>
> > >> CD20 - You have a link in your header called GITHUB that brought me to
> > >> your
> > >> source code. Other projects use hacking guides. Unless you're on
> > gitbox,
> > >> the git primary repo should be the ASF hosted repos.
> > >>
> > >> CD30 - The usage of docker is in of itself a violation of this item,
> > from
> > >> my point of view. In your case, you're pointing to "centos:latest"
> > which
> > >> today is C7.2, but in a few months will be C7.3.
> > >>
> > >> CD50 - I can't tell if the pull requests to your repo are from
> > committers
> > >> or from contributors. If I take
> > >> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/pull/60 as an example,
> the
> > >> commit message says nothing about provenance of the source code.
> > >>
> > >> LC50 - You mention in your response why this is incorrect (the use of
> > >> *most*)
> > >>
> > >> RE10 - You link to http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/news/ but
> that
> > >> doesn't include any download links.
> > >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/downloads/ does include download
> > >> links
> > >> to the proper release mirrors.
> > >>
> > >> RE20 - You mention non-PMC members in the vote (PPMC).
> > >>
> > >> RE30 - Again, not using mirror.
> > >>
> > >> RE40 - Correct answer would be "NO. We do not distribute binary
> > releases."
> > >>
> > >> RE50 - Your release process neglects deleting old artifacts.
> > >>
> > >> QU10 - Code quality is more than bug reports. You may want to use
> > >> linters,
> > >> sonar, etc.
> > >>
> > >> QU20 - This is only achievable if you've had a security vulnerability
> > >> reported. If you haven't had one reported, there's no way to confirm
> > >> this.
> > >>
> > >> QU50 - I see that MNEMONIC-203/217 have been open for around 6 months.
> > >>
> > >> CO10 - Github shows two pull requests open without any commentary or
> > >> questions from the project's committers. Why is that?
> > >>
> > >> Regards,
> > >>
> > >> John
> > >>
> > >> On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 3:00 PM Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > Hi John, Our Mentors and PPMCs
> > >> >
> > >> > We have prepared Apache Maturity checklist for your evaluation,
> please
> > >> > guide us to graduate our project, thanks.
> > >> >
> > >> > All comments and suggestions are welcome!
> > >> >
> > >> > Cheers!
> > >> > Gary
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 1:31 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org>
> > >> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >> Hi John
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Fixed it, Thank you for reminding me
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Very truly yours
> > >> >> Gary
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 12:39 PM, John D. Ament <
> > johndament@apache.org
> > >> >
> > >> >> wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >>> Please take a look at
> > >> >>> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/mnemonic/
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 1:55 PM Gang(Gary) Wang <garyw@apache.org
> >
> > >> >>> wrote:
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>> Hi John
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> This issue has been fixed please refresh your browser and then
> > review
> > >> >>>> it, Thanks!
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> Very truly yours
> > >> >>>> Gary
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 10:33 AM, Gang(Gary) Wang <
> > garyw@apache.org>
> > >> >>>> wrote:
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>>> Hi John
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>> I didn't realize that and thank you very much for pointing it
> out,
> > >> we
> > >> >>>>> will correct this according to your guidance.
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>> Thanks!
> > >> >>>>> Very truly yours
> > >> >>>>> Gary
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 4:54 AM, John D. Ament <
> > >> johndament@apache.org>
> > >> >>>>> wrote:
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>> Thanks, but you're still out of compliance.
> > >> >>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>> - You're linking directly to your un-mirrored artifacts, but
> you
> > >> >>>>>> should be linking to your mirrored artifacts.
> > >> >>>>>> - You have not cleaned up your old releases, your old releases
> > >> should
> > >> >>>>>> be archived.
> > >> >>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>> Now here's the catch - we require mirroring but I can't find
> > >> anything
> > >> >>>>>> saying what the mirroring URL is. The format is going to be
> > >> >>>>>> http://apache.org/dyn/closer.cgi/incubator/mnemonic and you'll
> > >> want
> > >> >>>>>> to grab your specific version from there.
> > >> >>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>> John
> > >> >>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 9:31 PM Gang(Gary) Wang <
> > garyw@apache.org>
> > >> >>>>>> wrote:
> > >> >>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>> Hi John,
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>> The Download menu item has been added to the navigator in home
> > >> page,
> > >> >>>>>>> Please refresh your browser to review it, Thank you very much
> > for
> > >> the
> > >> >>>>>>> suggestion.
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>> Very truly yours
> > >> >>>>>>> Gary
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 6:04 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <
> > >> garyw@apache.org>
> > >> >>>>>>> wrote:
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>> Hi John,
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>> You can download all versions of the package from Apache
> > >> >>>>>>>> distribution site that is linked from the following web page
> > >> >>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/releases
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>> Also, we can download them from Apache Mirrored Github page
> > >> >>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/releases
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>> We could add another menu item on top of home page dedicated
> > for
> > >> >>>>>>>> downloading the latest one.
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>> Thanks!
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>> Very truly yours
> > >> >>>>>>>> Gary
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 5:40 PM, John D. Ament <
> > >> >>>>>>>> johndament@apache.org> wrote:
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>> I'm looking at your website. How do I download Mnemonic?
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>> John
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 4:37 PM Gary Wong <
> qichfan@gmail.com>
> > >> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Uma
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Yes, We are going to send out this checklist for PPMC
> review,
> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Thank you very much for the guidance.
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Very truly yours
> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Gary
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Gangumalla, Uma <
> > >> >>>>>>>>>> uma.gangumalla@intel.com> wrote:
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> IMO, Mnemonic project doing good and ready for graduation.
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> What is the mentors call on this?
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> I remember many other projects do Maturity model checklist
> > to
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> check where
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> we are? Gary/John do you mind ready that sheet, so that
> will
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> help to
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> assess better?
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Uma
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> On 8/16/17, 12:46 PM, "Johnu George" <jo...@apache.org>
> > >> wrote:
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >It seems that we are ready to be a top level project .
> We
> > >> have
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> a stable
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >release and we work well as a apache community under the
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> guidance of our
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >mentors. Any thoughts?
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 12:00 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> garyw@apache.org> wrote:
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Dear John and Patrick,
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Thank you for the guidance, we have completed the
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> construction of
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>Mnemonic
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Website recently according to your feedback, this
> Apache
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> server hosted
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> website will be kept up to date and maintained by
> > dedicated
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> community
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> members. we also have redirected the visitors from
> > Github
> > >> to
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> our Apache
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> server hosted website by providing a forward link in
> > >> project
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> README.md
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> file. Please review it as follows.
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Note: the browser cache may cause unexpected view of
> this
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> website,
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>please
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> clear browser cache or visit it in incognito mode.
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Very truly yours.
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Gary
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 6:04 PM, John D. Ament <
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> johndament@apache.org>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> wrote:
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > Hi patrick,
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > I recently raised an issue with the website to the
> > >> team. I
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> personally
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > would like to see that fixed before a graduation.
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Specifically saying
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> that
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > you need to learn it from github.
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > John
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:15 PM Patrick Hunt <
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> phunt@apache.org> wrote:
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > Given the recent work to bring on additional RMs
> (and
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> increase
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> community
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > involvement in general) and clearly document
> release
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> procedures I
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>feel
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > that
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > my previous concerns have been largely addressed.
> If
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> there is
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>interest
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> in
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > the community I would now be in favor, but up to
> you
> > -
> > >> do
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> you feel
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> you're
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > ready to graduate at this point?
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > Regards,
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > Patrick
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 3:30 PM, Debojyoti Dutta <
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> ddutta@apache.org>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > wrote:
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> On the diversity issue, we are trying to solve
> that
> > >> with
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> new
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> committers
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> from different organizations. We have had
> > >> contributions
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> from other
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> companies like Cisco recently.
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> This space is about to heat up soon and we will
> see
> > >> more
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>committers.
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> cheers
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> debo
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Patrick Hunt <
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> phunt@apache.org>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> wrote:
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > I've mentored a number of podlings over the
> years
> > >> and
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> this one if
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> very
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> well
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > run and is on a good trajectory. As noted my
> main
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> concern is
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>about
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > diversity - in particular "self-sustaining and
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> self-governing
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> communities".
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#
> > community
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > That's pretty clear and concise statements from
> > the
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Apache
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>community
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > as
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> a
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > whole as to what it takes. The podling is
> > following
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> "the apache
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>way"
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> quite
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > well, so it's really the sustaining part for me.
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Ensuring that
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> community is
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > being built and the community as a whole is
> owning
> > >> the
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> process.
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > Hope this helps, regards,
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > Patrick
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 2:24 PM, Andrew Purtell
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >><apurtell@apache.org
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > wrote:
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > For me the best test if a podling is ready for
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> graduation is
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>they
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> do
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> it
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > (mostly) for themselves. So, Mnemonic, I'd
> > >> encourage
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> you to
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>search
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > through
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > the incubator mailing list archives for
> examples
> > >> of
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> other
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>podlings
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > running
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > a graduation vote and submitting the result to
> > the
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> IPMC. Then,
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>do
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > it.
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > I'm glad to see the recent move to bring in
> more
> > >> RMs
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> in
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>response
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> to
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> the
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > earlier feedback, now that everyone is aware
> of
> > >> it.
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, I
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> didn't
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> think
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > that the incubator report might not be read
> > back.
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 5:42 PM, John D. Ament
> <
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > johndament@apache.org>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > wrote:
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> Patrick,
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> I read it. I'm curious, did you or Andrew
> > share
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> your feedback
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> with
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> Mnemonic directly? I've noticed that
> podlings
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> sometimes don't
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> see
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> the
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> input, and don't receive responses the way
> TLPs
> > >> do.
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> For the podling's information, we do also
> > >> maintain
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> a whimsy
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>page
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> of
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> all
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> approved board reports per project, Mnemonic
> > can
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> see that
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > information
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> here:
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> https://whimsy.apache.org/
> > board/minutes/Mnemonic
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> When I see a podling receiving 5 +1's on a
> dev
> > >> list
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> release
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>vote,
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > that's a
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> great sign.
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> There probably is room for more on list
> > >> discussion,
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> and yes
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>the
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > committer
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> diversity isn't 100% there (I would be
> curious
> > to
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> see company
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> affiliations).
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> I'll also point out that I sometimes ask
> these
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> questions to
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > podlings
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> to
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> get
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> them to start thinking about graduation, not
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> actually moving
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > forward
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> yet
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> due to $reasons.
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 2:58 PM Patrick Hunt <
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> phunt@apache.org>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> wrote:
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > Hi John, did you read my feedback on the
> most
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> recent podling
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> report?
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > Do
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > you disagree? I don't believe this has
> > changed
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>significantly in
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > the
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > past
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > month/two. For example all releases have
> been
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> done by a
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>single
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> person.
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > https://wiki.apache.org/
> incubator/March2017
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > As I've mentioned previously my only
> concerns
> > >> at
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> this point
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>are
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> around
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > diversity.
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > Patrick
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 11:07 AM, Gang(Gary)
> > >> Wang <
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > garyw@apache.org
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> wrote:
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> Hi John and PPMCs
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> As John advised, our community and project
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> mnemonic might
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>be
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> ready to
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> get
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> graduated, I'd like to start the following
> > >> votes
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> according
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>to
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > the
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> processes
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> of
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html with
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> your
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> mentoring
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> and guidance if no objection today
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> - Community graduation vote
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> - IPMC recommendation vote
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> Mnemonic Project Incubation Status
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/mnemonic.html
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> Very truly yours
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> +Gary
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 11:26 PM,
> Gang(Gary)
> > >> Wang
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> <
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> garyw@apache.org>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> wrote:
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Hi John
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Thank you for starting this discussion.
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Yes, our community is growing and
> continue
> > >> to
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> attract
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>more
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> people
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > to
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> join
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > our community. Some industry users are
> > aware
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> of mnemonic
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>and
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > already
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> get
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > interested as i known.
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Mnemonic is able to deliver unique
> values
> > to
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> their
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>business
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > so I
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> think
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > that it is very important for us to get
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> mnemonic
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>graduated
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> in
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> time
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > if
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > qualified.
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > My 2 cents, looks nothing left for us to
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> graduate
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>Mnemonic,
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > I'm
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > also
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > looking forward to propose our project
> as
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Apache TLP.
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Thanks!
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Very truly yours
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Gary
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > On Tuesday, May 2, 2017, John D. Ament <
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> johndament@apache.org
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> wrote:
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > Hi Mnemonic PPMC,
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > After looking at your recent release,
> > your
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> current
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>growth
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > and
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > well
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > functioning PPMC, was wondering what was
> > >> left
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> for you
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>guys
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> to
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> graduate?
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > John
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > --
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > Best regards,
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > - Andy
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > If you are given a choice, you believe you
> have
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> acted freely. -
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> Raymond
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > Teller (via Peter Watts)
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation?
Posted by "Gang(Gary) Wang" <ga...@apache.org>.
Yes, I also totally agree this and we will try our best for the readiness
for the graduation.
For the suggestion that John advised, we have prepared the following
comments for your review, Thanks!
*CD20 - You have a link in your header called GITHUB that brought me to
your source code. Other projects use hacking guides. Unless you're on
gitbox, the git primary repo should be the ASF hosted repos.*
The github link has been removed from CD20 and using
http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/develop/ as the link of website. we
also create ticket MNEMONIC-355 (resolved) to remove Github link from
navigator menu on website.
*CD30 - The usage of docker is in of itself a violation of this item, from
my point of view. In your case, you're pointing to "centos:latest" which
today is C7.2, but in a few months will be C7.3.*
Yes, we will fix it through Apache Jira MNEMONIC-353(reviewed) and
MNEMONIC-356(WIP)
*CD50 - I can't tell if the pull requests to your repo are from committers
or from contributors. If I take
https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/pull/60
<https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/pull/60> as an example, the
commit message says nothing about provenance of the source code.*
We have requested to revoke all stalled PRs, and all commit messages must
contain Apache JIRA number and title.
*LC50 - You mention in your response why this is incorrect (the use of
*most*)*
Yes we will correct it with "The files in the project source repository
have appropriate headers", The files under target/ that generated by mvn
building process would be excluded and all other project files have been
properly licensed and guarded by RAT plugin.
*RE10 - You link to http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/news/
<http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/news/> but that doesn't include any
download links. http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/downloads/
<http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/downloads/> does include download
links to the proper release mirrors.*
That has been corrected by replacing it with the link
http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/downloads/
*RE20 - You mention non-PMC members in the vote (PPMC).*
Yes, we started with the community vote for releasing and the result
explicitly shows binding and non-binding votes.
*RE30 - Again, not using mirror.*
Looks no mirror link in this field.
*RE40 - Correct answer would be "NO. We do not distribute binary releases."*
Yes it is and corrected
*RE50 - Your release process neglects deleting old artifacts.*
Sorry I forgot it and corrected it by the Apache Jira ticket MNEMONIC-357
(resolved) as well as MNEMONIC-358 (resolved)
*QU10 - Code quality is more than bug reports. You may want to use
linters, sonar, etc.*
Yes, we will investigate this plugin and apply them to project later, as
for now, the QU10 has been replaced with "YES. The project records all bugs
in the Apache’s JIRA issue tracker. Developer also uses Eclipse or Intellij
IDEA to improve their code quality."
*QU20 - This is only achievable if you've had a security vulnerability
reported. If you haven't had one reported, there's no way to confirm this.*
The QU20 has been replaced with "YES. Security issues would be treated with
the highest priority, computing service and memory service are separated
from other modules and defined by interfaces, so security concerns could be
largely mitigated by introduced this design at first place.", that this
emphasize we consider the security aspect from design viewpoint as well.
*QU50 - I see that MNEMONIC-203/217 have been open for around 6 months.*
We have asked owners to properly handle those tickets
*CO10 - Github shows two pull requests open without any commentary or
questions from the project's committers. Why is that?*
They are stalled PRs, we have asked the owner to properly revoke them.
*The full checklist as follows for you to add comments*
https://docs.google.com/document/d/10LKTjPMceV4s4MrSRIA9L8pg7jLFp-ec-TmW96mZbXM/edit?usp=sharing
Very truly yours
Gary
On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 2:25 PM, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
wrote:
> Huge +1 to that.
>
> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 5:18 PM Henry Saputra <he...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > The "checklist" suppose to just provide guide for readiness our
> > graduation. It was NOT mandatory checklist.
> >
> > This should be used primarily for self check to make sure we are ready
> for
> > graduation.
> >
> >
> > - Henry
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 7:50 PM, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> So first, I'll say its always great to see a podling aim to graduate.
> Its
> >> not up to me to measure whether the podling has been successful or not,
> >> but
> >> instead the IPMC as a whole. I can give you some feedback on the APMM
> >> assessment, but I'll point out that I'm not a fan of this form and
> >> completing this form is not a requirement for graduation.
> >>
> >> So please, when reviewing the below list, understand that completing
> this
> >> is not a requirement for graduation. Even then, podlings who think they
> >> pass it may be missing things.
> >>
> >> CD20 - You have a link in your header called GITHUB that brought me to
> >> your
> >> source code. Other projects use hacking guides. Unless you're on
> gitbox,
> >> the git primary repo should be the ASF hosted repos.
> >>
> >> CD30 - The usage of docker is in of itself a violation of this item,
> from
> >> my point of view. In your case, you're pointing to "centos:latest"
> which
> >> today is C7.2, but in a few months will be C7.3.
> >>
> >> CD50 - I can't tell if the pull requests to your repo are from
> committers
> >> or from contributors. If I take
> >> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/pull/60 as an example, the
> >> commit message says nothing about provenance of the source code.
> >>
> >> LC50 - You mention in your response why this is incorrect (the use of
> >> *most*)
> >>
> >> RE10 - You link to http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/news/ but that
> >> doesn't include any download links.
> >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/downloads/ does include download
> >> links
> >> to the proper release mirrors.
> >>
> >> RE20 - You mention non-PMC members in the vote (PPMC).
> >>
> >> RE30 - Again, not using mirror.
> >>
> >> RE40 - Correct answer would be "NO. We do not distribute binary
> releases."
> >>
> >> RE50 - Your release process neglects deleting old artifacts.
> >>
> >> QU10 - Code quality is more than bug reports. You may want to use
> >> linters,
> >> sonar, etc.
> >>
> >> QU20 - This is only achievable if you've had a security vulnerability
> >> reported. If you haven't had one reported, there's no way to confirm
> >> this.
> >>
> >> QU50 - I see that MNEMONIC-203/217 have been open for around 6 months.
> >>
> >> CO10 - Github shows two pull requests open without any commentary or
> >> questions from the project's committers. Why is that?
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> John
> >>
> >> On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 3:00 PM Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Hi John, Our Mentors and PPMCs
> >> >
> >> > We have prepared Apache Maturity checklist for your evaluation, please
> >> > guide us to graduate our project, thanks.
> >> >
> >> > All comments and suggestions are welcome!
> >> >
> >> > Cheers!
> >> > Gary
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 1:31 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org>
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Hi John
> >> >>
> >> >> Fixed it, Thank you for reminding me
> >> >>
> >> >> Very truly yours
> >> >> Gary
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 12:39 PM, John D. Ament <
> johndament@apache.org
> >> >
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> Please take a look at
> >> >>> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/mnemonic/
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 1:55 PM Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org>
> >> >>> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> Hi John
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> This issue has been fixed please refresh your browser and then
> review
> >> >>>> it, Thanks!
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Very truly yours
> >> >>>> Gary
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 10:33 AM, Gang(Gary) Wang <
> garyw@apache.org>
> >> >>>> wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> Hi John
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> I didn't realize that and thank you very much for pointing it out,
> >> we
> >> >>>>> will correct this according to your guidance.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Thanks!
> >> >>>>> Very truly yours
> >> >>>>> Gary
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 4:54 AM, John D. Ament <
> >> johndament@apache.org>
> >> >>>>> wrote:
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Thanks, but you're still out of compliance.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> - You're linking directly to your un-mirrored artifacts, but you
> >> >>>>>> should be linking to your mirrored artifacts.
> >> >>>>>> - You have not cleaned up your old releases, your old releases
> >> should
> >> >>>>>> be archived.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Now here's the catch - we require mirroring but I can't find
> >> anything
> >> >>>>>> saying what the mirroring URL is. The format is going to be
> >> >>>>>> http://apache.org/dyn/closer.cgi/incubator/mnemonic and you'll
> >> want
> >> >>>>>> to grab your specific version from there.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> John
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 9:31 PM Gang(Gary) Wang <
> garyw@apache.org>
> >> >>>>>> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> Hi John,
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> The Download menu item has been added to the navigator in home
> >> page,
> >> >>>>>>> Please refresh your browser to review it, Thank you very much
> for
> >> the
> >> >>>>>>> suggestion.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> Very truly yours
> >> >>>>>>> Gary
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 6:04 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <
> >> garyw@apache.org>
> >> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> Hi John,
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> You can download all versions of the package from Apache
> >> >>>>>>>> distribution site that is linked from the following web page
> >> >>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/releases
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> Also, we can download them from Apache Mirrored Github page
> >> >>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/releases
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> We could add another menu item on top of home page dedicated
> for
> >> >>>>>>>> downloading the latest one.
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> Thanks!
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> Very truly yours
> >> >>>>>>>> Gary
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 5:40 PM, John D. Ament <
> >> >>>>>>>> johndament@apache.org> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> I'm looking at your website. How do I download Mnemonic?
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> John
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 4:37 PM Gary Wong <qi...@gmail.com>
> >> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Uma
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>> Yes, We are going to send out this checklist for PPMC review,
> >> >>>>>>>>>> Thank you very much for the guidance.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>> Very truly yours
> >> >>>>>>>>>> Gary
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Gangumalla, Uma <
> >> >>>>>>>>>> uma.gangumalla@intel.com> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> IMO, Mnemonic project doing good and ready for graduation.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> What is the mentors call on this?
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> I remember many other projects do Maturity model checklist
> to
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> check where
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> we are? Gary/John do you mind ready that sheet, so that will
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> help to
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> assess better?
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Uma
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> On 8/16/17, 12:46 PM, "Johnu George" <jo...@apache.org>
> >> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >It seems that we are ready to be a top level project . We
> >> have
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> a stable
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >release and we work well as a apache community under the
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> guidance of our
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >mentors. Any thoughts?
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 12:00 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> garyw@apache.org> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Dear John and Patrick,
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Thank you for the guidance, we have completed the
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> construction of
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>Mnemonic
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Website recently according to your feedback, this Apache
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> server hosted
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> website will be kept up to date and maintained by
> dedicated
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> community
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> members. we also have redirected the visitors from
> Github
> >> to
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> our Apache
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> server hosted website by providing a forward link in
> >> project
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> README.md
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> file. Please review it as follows.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Note: the browser cache may cause unexpected view of this
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> website,
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>please
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> clear browser cache or visit it in incognito mode.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Very truly yours.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Gary
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 6:04 PM, John D. Ament <
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> johndament@apache.org>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > Hi patrick,
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > I recently raised an issue with the website to the
> >> team. I
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> personally
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > would like to see that fixed before a graduation.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Specifically saying
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> that
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > you need to learn it from github.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > John
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:15 PM Patrick Hunt <
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> phunt@apache.org> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > Given the recent work to bring on additional RMs (and
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> increase
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> community
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > involvement in general) and clearly document release
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> procedures I
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>feel
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > that
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > my previous concerns have been largely addressed. If
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> there is
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>interest
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> in
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > the community I would now be in favor, but up to you
> -
> >> do
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> you feel
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> you're
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > ready to graduate at this point?
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > Regards,
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > Patrick
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 3:30 PM, Debojyoti Dutta <
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> ddutta@apache.org>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> On the diversity issue, we are trying to solve that
> >> with
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> new
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> committers
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> from different organizations. We have had
> >> contributions
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> from other
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> companies like Cisco recently.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> This space is about to heat up soon and we will see
> >> more
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>committers.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> cheers
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> debo
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Patrick Hunt <
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> phunt@apache.org>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > I've mentored a number of podlings over the years
> >> and
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> this one if
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> very
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> well
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > run and is on a good trajectory. As noted my main
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> concern is
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>about
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > diversity - in particular "self-sustaining and
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> self-governing
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> communities".
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#
> community
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > That's pretty clear and concise statements from
> the
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Apache
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>community
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > as
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> a
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > whole as to what it takes. The podling is
> following
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> "the apache
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>way"
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> quite
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > well, so it's really the sustaining part for me.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Ensuring that
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> community is
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > being built and the community as a whole is owning
> >> the
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> process.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > Hope this helps, regards,
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > Patrick
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 2:24 PM, Andrew Purtell
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >><apurtell@apache.org
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > For me the best test if a podling is ready for
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> graduation is
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>they
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> do
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> it
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > (mostly) for themselves. So, Mnemonic, I'd
> >> encourage
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> you to
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>search
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > through
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > the incubator mailing list archives for examples
> >> of
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> other
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>podlings
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > running
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > a graduation vote and submitting the result to
> the
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> IPMC. Then,
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>do
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > it.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > I'm glad to see the recent move to bring in more
> >> RMs
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> in
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>response
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> to
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> the
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > earlier feedback, now that everyone is aware of
> >> it.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, I
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> didn't
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> think
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > that the incubator report might not be read
> back.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 5:42 PM, John D. Ament <
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > johndament@apache.org>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> Patrick,
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> I read it. I'm curious, did you or Andrew
> share
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> your feedback
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> with
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> Mnemonic directly? I've noticed that podlings
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> sometimes don't
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> see
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> the
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> input, and don't receive responses the way TLPs
> >> do.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> For the podling's information, we do also
> >> maintain
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> a whimsy
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>page
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> of
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> all
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> approved board reports per project, Mnemonic
> can
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> see that
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > information
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> here:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> https://whimsy.apache.org/
> board/minutes/Mnemonic
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> When I see a podling receiving 5 +1's on a dev
> >> list
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> release
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>vote,
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > that's a
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> great sign.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> There probably is room for more on list
> >> discussion,
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> and yes
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>the
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > committer
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> diversity isn't 100% there (I would be curious
> to
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> see company
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> affiliations).
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> I'll also point out that I sometimes ask these
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> questions to
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > podlings
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> to
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> get
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> them to start thinking about graduation, not
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> actually moving
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > forward
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> yet
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> due to $reasons.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 2:58 PM Patrick Hunt <
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> phunt@apache.org>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > Hi John, did you read my feedback on the most
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> recent podling
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> report?
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > Do
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > you disagree? I don't believe this has
> changed
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>significantly in
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > the
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > past
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > month/two. For example all releases have been
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> done by a
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>single
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> person.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/March2017
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > As I've mentioned previously my only concerns
> >> at
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> this point
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>are
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> around
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > diversity.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > Patrick
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 11:07 AM, Gang(Gary)
> >> Wang <
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > garyw@apache.org
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> Hi John and PPMCs
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> As John advised, our community and project
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> mnemonic might
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>be
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> ready to
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> get
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> graduated, I'd like to start the following
> >> votes
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> according
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>to
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > the
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> processes
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> of
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html with
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> your
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> mentoring
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> and guidance if no objection today
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> - Community graduation vote
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> - IPMC recommendation vote
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> Mnemonic Project Incubation Status
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/mnemonic.html
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> Very truly yours
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> +Gary
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 11:26 PM, Gang(Gary)
> >> Wang
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> <
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> garyw@apache.org>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Hi John
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Thank you for starting this discussion.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Yes, our community is growing and continue
> >> to
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> attract
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>more
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> people
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > to
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> join
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > our community. Some industry users are
> aware
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> of mnemonic
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>and
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > already
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> get
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > interested as i known.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Mnemonic is able to deliver unique values
> to
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> their
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>business
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > so I
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> think
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > that it is very important for us to get
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> mnemonic
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>graduated
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> in
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> time
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > if
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > qualified.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > My 2 cents, looks nothing left for us to
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> graduate
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>Mnemonic,
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > I'm
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > also
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > looking forward to propose our project as
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Apache TLP.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Thanks!
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Very truly yours
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Gary
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > On Tuesday, May 2, 2017, John D. Ament <
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> johndament@apache.org
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > Hi Mnemonic PPMC,
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > After looking at your recent release,
> your
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> current
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>growth
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > and
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > well
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > functioning PPMC, was wondering what was
> >> left
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> for you
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>guys
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> to
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> graduate?
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > John
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > --
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > Best regards,
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > - Andy
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > If you are given a choice, you believe you have
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> acted freely. -
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> Raymond
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > Teller (via Peter Watts)
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation?
Posted by "John D. Ament" <jo...@apache.org>.
Huge +1 to that.
On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 5:18 PM Henry Saputra <he...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> The "checklist" suppose to just provide guide for readiness our
> graduation. It was NOT mandatory checklist.
>
> This should be used primarily for self check to make sure we are ready for
> graduation.
>
>
> - Henry
>
> On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 7:50 PM, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> So first, I'll say its always great to see a podling aim to graduate. Its
>> not up to me to measure whether the podling has been successful or not,
>> but
>> instead the IPMC as a whole. I can give you some feedback on the APMM
>> assessment, but I'll point out that I'm not a fan of this form and
>> completing this form is not a requirement for graduation.
>>
>> So please, when reviewing the below list, understand that completing this
>> is not a requirement for graduation. Even then, podlings who think they
>> pass it may be missing things.
>>
>> CD20 - You have a link in your header called GITHUB that brought me to
>> your
>> source code. Other projects use hacking guides. Unless you're on gitbox,
>> the git primary repo should be the ASF hosted repos.
>>
>> CD30 - The usage of docker is in of itself a violation of this item, from
>> my point of view. In your case, you're pointing to "centos:latest" which
>> today is C7.2, but in a few months will be C7.3.
>>
>> CD50 - I can't tell if the pull requests to your repo are from committers
>> or from contributors. If I take
>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/pull/60 as an example, the
>> commit message says nothing about provenance of the source code.
>>
>> LC50 - You mention in your response why this is incorrect (the use of
>> *most*)
>>
>> RE10 - You link to http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/news/ but that
>> doesn't include any download links.
>> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/downloads/ does include download
>> links
>> to the proper release mirrors.
>>
>> RE20 - You mention non-PMC members in the vote (PPMC).
>>
>> RE30 - Again, not using mirror.
>>
>> RE40 - Correct answer would be "NO. We do not distribute binary releases."
>>
>> RE50 - Your release process neglects deleting old artifacts.
>>
>> QU10 - Code quality is more than bug reports. You may want to use
>> linters,
>> sonar, etc.
>>
>> QU20 - This is only achievable if you've had a security vulnerability
>> reported. If you haven't had one reported, there's no way to confirm
>> this.
>>
>> QU50 - I see that MNEMONIC-203/217 have been open for around 6 months.
>>
>> CO10 - Github shows two pull requests open without any commentary or
>> questions from the project's committers. Why is that?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> John
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 3:00 PM Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>> > Hi John, Our Mentors and PPMCs
>> >
>> > We have prepared Apache Maturity checklist for your evaluation, please
>> > guide us to graduate our project, thanks.
>> >
>> > All comments and suggestions are welcome!
>> >
>> > Cheers!
>> > Gary
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 1:31 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi John
>> >>
>> >> Fixed it, Thank you for reminding me
>> >>
>> >> Very truly yours
>> >> Gary
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 12:39 PM, John D. Ament <johndament@apache.org
>> >
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Please take a look at
>> >>> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/mnemonic/
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 1:55 PM Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> Hi John
>> >>>>
>> >>>> This issue has been fixed please refresh your browser and then review
>> >>>> it, Thanks!
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Very truly yours
>> >>>> Gary
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 10:33 AM, Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org>
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Hi John
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I didn't realize that and thank you very much for pointing it out,
>> we
>> >>>>> will correct this according to your guidance.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Thanks!
>> >>>>> Very truly yours
>> >>>>> Gary
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 4:54 AM, John D. Ament <
>> johndament@apache.org>
>> >>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> Thanks, but you're still out of compliance.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> - You're linking directly to your un-mirrored artifacts, but you
>> >>>>>> should be linking to your mirrored artifacts.
>> >>>>>> - You have not cleaned up your old releases, your old releases
>> should
>> >>>>>> be archived.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Now here's the catch - we require mirroring but I can't find
>> anything
>> >>>>>> saying what the mirroring URL is. The format is going to be
>> >>>>>> http://apache.org/dyn/closer.cgi/incubator/mnemonic and you'll
>> want
>> >>>>>> to grab your specific version from there.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> John
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 9:31 PM Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org>
>> >>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Hi John,
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> The Download menu item has been added to the navigator in home
>> page,
>> >>>>>>> Please refresh your browser to review it, Thank you very much for
>> the
>> >>>>>>> suggestion.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Very truly yours
>> >>>>>>> Gary
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 6:04 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <
>> garyw@apache.org>
>> >>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Hi John,
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> You can download all versions of the package from Apache
>> >>>>>>>> distribution site that is linked from the following web page
>> >>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/releases
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Also, we can download them from Apache Mirrored Github page
>> >>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/releases
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> We could add another menu item on top of home page dedicated for
>> >>>>>>>> downloading the latest one.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Thanks!
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Very truly yours
>> >>>>>>>> Gary
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 5:40 PM, John D. Ament <
>> >>>>>>>> johndament@apache.org> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> I'm looking at your website. How do I download Mnemonic?
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> John
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 4:37 PM Gary Wong <qi...@gmail.com>
>> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Uma
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Yes, We are going to send out this checklist for PPMC review,
>> >>>>>>>>>> Thank you very much for the guidance.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Very truly yours
>> >>>>>>>>>> Gary
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Gangumalla, Uma <
>> >>>>>>>>>> uma.gangumalla@intel.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> IMO, Mnemonic project doing good and ready for graduation.
>> >>>>>>>>>>> What is the mentors call on this?
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> I remember many other projects do Maturity model checklist to
>> >>>>>>>>>>> check where
>> >>>>>>>>>>> we are? Gary/John do you mind ready that sheet, so that will
>> >>>>>>>>>>> help to
>> >>>>>>>>>>> assess better?
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Uma
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 8/16/17, 12:46 PM, "Johnu George" <jo...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >It seems that we are ready to be a top level project . We
>> have
>> >>>>>>>>>>> a stable
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >release and we work well as a apache community under the
>> >>>>>>>>>>> guidance of our
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >mentors. Any thoughts?
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 12:00 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <
>> >>>>>>>>>>> garyw@apache.org> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Dear John and Patrick,
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Thank you for the guidance, we have completed the
>> >>>>>>>>>>> construction of
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>Mnemonic
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Website recently according to your feedback, this Apache
>> >>>>>>>>>>> server hosted
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> website will be kept up to date and maintained by dedicated
>> >>>>>>>>>>> community
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> members. we also have redirected the visitors from Github
>> to
>> >>>>>>>>>>> our Apache
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> server hosted website by providing a forward link in
>> project
>> >>>>>>>>>>> README.md
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> file. Please review it as follows.
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Note: the browser cache may cause unexpected view of this
>> >>>>>>>>>>> website,
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>please
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> clear browser cache or visit it in incognito mode.
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Very truly yours.
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Gary
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 6:04 PM, John D. Ament <
>> >>>>>>>>>>> johndament@apache.org>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > Hi patrick,
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > I recently raised an issue with the website to the
>> team. I
>> >>>>>>>>>>> personally
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > would like to see that fixed before a graduation.
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Specifically saying
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> that
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > you need to learn it from github.
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > John
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:15 PM Patrick Hunt <
>> >>>>>>>>>>> phunt@apache.org> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > Given the recent work to bring on additional RMs (and
>> >>>>>>>>>>> increase
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> community
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > involvement in general) and clearly document release
>> >>>>>>>>>>> procedures I
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>feel
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > that
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > my previous concerns have been largely addressed. If
>> >>>>>>>>>>> there is
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>interest
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> in
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > the community I would now be in favor, but up to you -
>> do
>> >>>>>>>>>>> you feel
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> you're
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > ready to graduate at this point?
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > Regards,
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > Patrick
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 3:30 PM, Debojyoti Dutta <
>> >>>>>>>>>>> ddutta@apache.org>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> On the diversity issue, we are trying to solve that
>> with
>> >>>>>>>>>>> new
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> committers
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> from different organizations. We have had
>> contributions
>> >>>>>>>>>>> from other
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> companies like Cisco recently.
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> This space is about to heat up soon and we will see
>> more
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>committers.
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> cheers
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> debo
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Patrick Hunt <
>> >>>>>>>>>>> phunt@apache.org>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > I've mentored a number of podlings over the years
>> and
>> >>>>>>>>>>> this one if
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> very
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> well
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > run and is on a good trajectory. As noted my main
>> >>>>>>>>>>> concern is
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>about
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > diversity - in particular "self-sustaining and
>> >>>>>>>>>>> self-governing
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> communities".
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
>> >>>>>>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#community
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > That's pretty clear and concise statements from the
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Apache
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>community
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > as
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> a
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > whole as to what it takes. The podling is following
>> >>>>>>>>>>> "the apache
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>way"
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> quite
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > well, so it's really the sustaining part for me.
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Ensuring that
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> community is
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > being built and the community as a whole is owning
>> the
>> >>>>>>>>>>> process.
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > Hope this helps, regards,
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > Patrick
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 2:24 PM, Andrew Purtell
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >><apurtell@apache.org
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > For me the best test if a podling is ready for
>> >>>>>>>>>>> graduation is
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>they
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> do
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> it
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > (mostly) for themselves. So, Mnemonic, I'd
>> encourage
>> >>>>>>>>>>> you to
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>search
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > through
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > the incubator mailing list archives for examples
>> of
>> >>>>>>>>>>> other
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>podlings
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > running
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > a graduation vote and submitting the result to the
>> >>>>>>>>>>> IPMC. Then,
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>do
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > it.
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > I'm glad to see the recent move to bring in more
>> RMs
>> >>>>>>>>>>> in
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>response
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> to
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> the
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > earlier feedback, now that everyone is aware of
>> it.
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, I
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> didn't
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> think
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > that the incubator report might not be read back.
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 5:42 PM, John D. Ament <
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > johndament@apache.org>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> Patrick,
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> I read it. I'm curious, did you or Andrew share
>> >>>>>>>>>>> your feedback
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> with
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> Mnemonic directly? I've noticed that podlings
>> >>>>>>>>>>> sometimes don't
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> see
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> the
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> input, and don't receive responses the way TLPs
>> do.
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> For the podling's information, we do also
>> maintain
>> >>>>>>>>>>> a whimsy
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>page
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> of
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> all
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> approved board reports per project, Mnemonic can
>> >>>>>>>>>>> see that
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > information
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> here:
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> https://whimsy.apache.org/board/minutes/Mnemonic
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> When I see a podling receiving 5 +1's on a dev
>> list
>> >>>>>>>>>>> release
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>vote,
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > that's a
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> great sign.
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> There probably is room for more on list
>> discussion,
>> >>>>>>>>>>> and yes
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>the
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > committer
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> diversity isn't 100% there (I would be curious to
>> >>>>>>>>>>> see company
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> affiliations).
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> I'll also point out that I sometimes ask these
>> >>>>>>>>>>> questions to
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > podlings
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> to
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> get
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> them to start thinking about graduation, not
>> >>>>>>>>>>> actually moving
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > forward
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> yet
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> due to $reasons.
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 2:58 PM Patrick Hunt <
>> >>>>>>>>>>> phunt@apache.org>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > Hi John, did you read my feedback on the most
>> >>>>>>>>>>> recent podling
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> report?
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > Do
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > you disagree? I don't believe this has changed
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>significantly in
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > the
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > past
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > month/two. For example all releases have been
>> >>>>>>>>>>> done by a
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>single
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> person.
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/March2017
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > As I've mentioned previously my only concerns
>> at
>> >>>>>>>>>>> this point
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>are
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> around
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > diversity.
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > Patrick
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 11:07 AM, Gang(Gary)
>> Wang <
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > garyw@apache.org
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> Hi John and PPMCs
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> As John advised, our community and project
>> >>>>>>>>>>> mnemonic might
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>be
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> ready to
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> get
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> graduated, I'd like to start the following
>> votes
>> >>>>>>>>>>> according
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>to
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > the
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> processes
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> of
>> >>>>>>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html with
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> your
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> mentoring
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> and guidance if no objection today
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> - Community graduation vote
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> - IPMC recommendation vote
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> Mnemonic Project Incubation Status
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/mnemonic.html
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> Very truly yours
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> +Gary
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 11:26 PM, Gang(Gary)
>> Wang
>> >>>>>>>>>>> <
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> garyw@apache.org>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Hi John
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Thank you for starting this discussion.
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Yes, our community is growing and continue
>> to
>> >>>>>>>>>>> attract
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>more
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> people
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > to
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> join
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > our community. Some industry users are aware
>> >>>>>>>>>>> of mnemonic
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>and
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > already
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> get
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > interested as i known.
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Mnemonic is able to deliver unique values to
>> >>>>>>>>>>> their
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>business
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > so I
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> think
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > that it is very important for us to get
>> >>>>>>>>>>> mnemonic
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>graduated
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> in
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> time
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > if
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > qualified.
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > My 2 cents, looks nothing left for us to
>> >>>>>>>>>>> graduate
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>Mnemonic,
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > I'm
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > also
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > looking forward to propose our project as
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Apache TLP.
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Thanks!
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Very truly yours
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Gary
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > On Tuesday, May 2, 2017, John D. Ament <
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> johndament@apache.org
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > Hi Mnemonic PPMC,
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > After looking at your recent release, your
>> >>>>>>>>>>> current
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>growth
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > and
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > well
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > functioning PPMC, was wondering what was
>> left
>> >>>>>>>>>>> for you
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>guys
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> to
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> graduate?
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > John
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > --
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > Best regards,
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > - Andy
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > If you are given a choice, you believe you have
>> >>>>>>>>>>> acted freely. -
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> Raymond
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > Teller (via Peter Watts)
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>
>> >
>>
>
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation?
Posted by Henry Saputra <he...@gmail.com>.
The "checklist" suppose to just provide guide for readiness our graduation.
It was NOT mandatory checklist.
This should be used primarily for self check to make sure we are ready for
graduation.
- Henry
On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 7:50 PM, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
wrote:
> Hello,
>
> So first, I'll say its always great to see a podling aim to graduate. Its
> not up to me to measure whether the podling has been successful or not, but
> instead the IPMC as a whole. I can give you some feedback on the APMM
> assessment, but I'll point out that I'm not a fan of this form and
> completing this form is not a requirement for graduation.
>
> So please, when reviewing the below list, understand that completing this
> is not a requirement for graduation. Even then, podlings who think they
> pass it may be missing things.
>
> CD20 - You have a link in your header called GITHUB that brought me to your
> source code. Other projects use hacking guides. Unless you're on gitbox,
> the git primary repo should be the ASF hosted repos.
>
> CD30 - The usage of docker is in of itself a violation of this item, from
> my point of view. In your case, you're pointing to "centos:latest" which
> today is C7.2, but in a few months will be C7.3.
>
> CD50 - I can't tell if the pull requests to your repo are from committers
> or from contributors. If I take
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/pull/60 as an example, the
> commit message says nothing about provenance of the source code.
>
> LC50 - You mention in your response why this is incorrect (the use of
> *most*)
>
> RE10 - You link to http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/news/ but that
> doesn't include any download links.
> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/downloads/ does include download
> links
> to the proper release mirrors.
>
> RE20 - You mention non-PMC members in the vote (PPMC).
>
> RE30 - Again, not using mirror.
>
> RE40 - Correct answer would be "NO. We do not distribute binary releases."
>
> RE50 - Your release process neglects deleting old artifacts.
>
> QU10 - Code quality is more than bug reports. You may want to use linters,
> sonar, etc.
>
> QU20 - This is only achievable if you've had a security vulnerability
> reported. If you haven't had one reported, there's no way to confirm this.
>
> QU50 - I see that MNEMONIC-203/217 have been open for around 6 months.
>
> CO10 - Github shows two pull requests open without any commentary or
> questions from the project's committers. Why is that?
>
> Regards,
>
> John
>
> On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 3:00 PM Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > Hi John, Our Mentors and PPMCs
> >
> > We have prepared Apache Maturity checklist for your evaluation, please
> > guide us to graduate our project, thanks.
> >
> > All comments and suggestions are welcome!
> >
> > Cheers!
> > Gary
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 1:31 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi John
> >>
> >> Fixed it, Thank you for reminding me
> >>
> >> Very truly yours
> >> Gary
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 12:39 PM, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Please take a look at
> >>> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/mnemonic/
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 1:55 PM Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hi John
> >>>>
> >>>> This issue has been fixed please refresh your browser and then review
> >>>> it, Thanks!
> >>>>
> >>>> Very truly yours
> >>>> Gary
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 10:33 AM, Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hi John
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I didn't realize that and thank you very much for pointing it out, we
> >>>>> will correct this according to your guidance.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks!
> >>>>> Very truly yours
> >>>>> Gary
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 4:54 AM, John D. Ament <
> johndament@apache.org>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Thanks, but you're still out of compliance.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> - You're linking directly to your un-mirrored artifacts, but you
> >>>>>> should be linking to your mirrored artifacts.
> >>>>>> - You have not cleaned up your old releases, your old releases
> should
> >>>>>> be archived.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Now here's the catch - we require mirroring but I can't find
> anything
> >>>>>> saying what the mirroring URL is. The format is going to be
> >>>>>> http://apache.org/dyn/closer.cgi/incubator/mnemonic and you'll want
> >>>>>> to grab your specific version from there.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> John
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 9:31 PM Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hi John,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The Download menu item has been added to the navigator in home
> page,
> >>>>>>> Please refresh your browser to review it, Thank you very much for
> the
> >>>>>>> suggestion.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Very truly yours
> >>>>>>> Gary
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 6:04 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <garyw@apache.org
> >
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Hi John,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> You can download all versions of the package from Apache
> >>>>>>>> distribution site that is linked from the following web page
> >>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/releases
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Also, we can download them from Apache Mirrored Github page
> >>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/releases
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> We could add another menu item on top of home page dedicated for
> >>>>>>>> downloading the latest one.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Thanks!
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Very truly yours
> >>>>>>>> Gary
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 5:40 PM, John D. Ament <
> >>>>>>>> johndament@apache.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I'm looking at your website. How do I download Mnemonic?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> John
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 4:37 PM Gary Wong <qi...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Uma
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Yes, We are going to send out this checklist for PPMC review,
> >>>>>>>>>> Thank you very much for the guidance.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Very truly yours
> >>>>>>>>>> Gary
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Gangumalla, Uma <
> >>>>>>>>>> uma.gangumalla@intel.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> IMO, Mnemonic project doing good and ready for graduation.
> >>>>>>>>>>> What is the mentors call on this?
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> I remember many other projects do Maturity model checklist to
> >>>>>>>>>>> check where
> >>>>>>>>>>> we are? Gary/John do you mind ready that sheet, so that will
> >>>>>>>>>>> help to
> >>>>>>>>>>> assess better?
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>>>>>>> Uma
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On 8/16/17, 12:46 PM, "Johnu George" <jo...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> >It seems that we are ready to be a top level project . We
> have
> >>>>>>>>>>> a stable
> >>>>>>>>>>> >release and we work well as a apache community under the
> >>>>>>>>>>> guidance of our
> >>>>>>>>>>> >mentors. Any thoughts?
> >>>>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>>>> >On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 12:00 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <
> >>>>>>>>>>> garyw@apache.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Dear John and Patrick,
> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Thank you for the guidance, we have completed the
> >>>>>>>>>>> construction of
> >>>>>>>>>>> >>Mnemonic
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Website recently according to your feedback, this Apache
> >>>>>>>>>>> server hosted
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> website will be kept up to date and maintained by dedicated
> >>>>>>>>>>> community
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> members. we also have redirected the visitors from Github
> to
> >>>>>>>>>>> our Apache
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> server hosted website by providing a forward link in project
> >>>>>>>>>>> README.md
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> file. Please review it as follows.
> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/
> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Note: the browser cache may cause unexpected view of this
> >>>>>>>>>>> website,
> >>>>>>>>>>> >>please
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> clear browser cache or visit it in incognito mode.
> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Very truly yours.
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Gary
> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 6:04 PM, John D. Ament <
> >>>>>>>>>>> johndament@apache.org>
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > Hi patrick,
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > I recently raised an issue with the website to the team.
> I
> >>>>>>>>>>> personally
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > would like to see that fixed before a graduation.
> >>>>>>>>>>> Specifically saying
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> that
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > you need to learn it from github.
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > John
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:15 PM Patrick Hunt <
> >>>>>>>>>>> phunt@apache.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > Given the recent work to bring on additional RMs (and
> >>>>>>>>>>> increase
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> community
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > involvement in general) and clearly document release
> >>>>>>>>>>> procedures I
> >>>>>>>>>>> >>feel
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > that
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > my previous concerns have been largely addressed. If
> >>>>>>>>>>> there is
> >>>>>>>>>>> >>interest
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> in
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > the community I would now be in favor, but up to you -
> do
> >>>>>>>>>>> you feel
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> you're
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > ready to graduate at this point?
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > Regards,
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > Patrick
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 3:30 PM, Debojyoti Dutta <
> >>>>>>>>>>> ddutta@apache.org>
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> On the diversity issue, we are trying to solve that
> with
> >>>>>>>>>>> new
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> committers
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> from different organizations. We have had contributions
> >>>>>>>>>>> from other
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> companies like Cisco recently.
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> This space is about to heat up soon and we will see
> more
> >>>>>>>>>>> >>committers.
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> cheers
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> debo
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Patrick Hunt <
> >>>>>>>>>>> phunt@apache.org>
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > I've mentored a number of podlings over the years and
> >>>>>>>>>>> this one if
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> very
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> well
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > run and is on a good trajectory. As noted my main
> >>>>>>>>>>> concern is
> >>>>>>>>>>> >>about
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > diversity - in particular "self-sustaining and
> >>>>>>>>>>> self-governing
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> communities".
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
> >>>>>>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#community
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > That's pretty clear and concise statements from the
> >>>>>>>>>>> Apache
> >>>>>>>>>>> >>community
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > as
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> a
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > whole as to what it takes. The podling is following
> >>>>>>>>>>> "the apache
> >>>>>>>>>>> >>way"
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> quite
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > well, so it's really the sustaining part for me.
> >>>>>>>>>>> Ensuring that
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> community is
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > being built and the community as a whole is owning
> the
> >>>>>>>>>>> process.
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > Hope this helps, regards,
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > Patrick
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 2:24 PM, Andrew Purtell
> >>>>>>>>>>> >><apurtell@apache.org
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > For me the best test if a podling is ready for
> >>>>>>>>>>> graduation is
> >>>>>>>>>>> >>they
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> do
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> it
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > (mostly) for themselves. So, Mnemonic, I'd
> encourage
> >>>>>>>>>>> you to
> >>>>>>>>>>> >>search
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > through
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > the incubator mailing list archives for examples of
> >>>>>>>>>>> other
> >>>>>>>>>>> >>podlings
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > running
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > a graduation vote and submitting the result to the
> >>>>>>>>>>> IPMC. Then,
> >>>>>>>>>>> >>do
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > it.
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > I'm glad to see the recent move to bring in more
> RMs
> >>>>>>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>>>>>> >>response
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> to
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> the
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > earlier feedback, now that everyone is aware of it.
> >>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, I
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> didn't
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> think
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > that the incubator report might not be read back.
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 5:42 PM, John D. Ament <
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > johndament@apache.org>
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> Patrick,
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> I read it. I'm curious, did you or Andrew share
> >>>>>>>>>>> your feedback
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> with
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> Mnemonic directly? I've noticed that podlings
> >>>>>>>>>>> sometimes don't
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> see
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> the
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> input, and don't receive responses the way TLPs
> do.
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> For the podling's information, we do also maintain
> >>>>>>>>>>> a whimsy
> >>>>>>>>>>> >>page
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> of
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> all
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> approved board reports per project, Mnemonic can
> >>>>>>>>>>> see that
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > information
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> here:
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> https://whimsy.apache.org/board/minutes/Mnemonic
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> When I see a podling receiving 5 +1's on a dev
> list
> >>>>>>>>>>> release
> >>>>>>>>>>> >>vote,
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > that's a
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> great sign.
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> There probably is room for more on list
> discussion,
> >>>>>>>>>>> and yes
> >>>>>>>>>>> >>the
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > committer
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> diversity isn't 100% there (I would be curious to
> >>>>>>>>>>> see company
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> affiliations).
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> I'll also point out that I sometimes ask these
> >>>>>>>>>>> questions to
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > podlings
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> to
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> get
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> them to start thinking about graduation, not
> >>>>>>>>>>> actually moving
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > forward
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> yet
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> due to $reasons.
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 2:58 PM Patrick Hunt <
> >>>>>>>>>>> phunt@apache.org>
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > Hi John, did you read my feedback on the most
> >>>>>>>>>>> recent podling
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> report?
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > Do
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > you disagree? I don't believe this has changed
> >>>>>>>>>>> >>significantly in
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > the
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > past
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > month/two. For example all releases have been
> >>>>>>>>>>> done by a
> >>>>>>>>>>> >>single
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> person.
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/March2017
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > As I've mentioned previously my only concerns at
> >>>>>>>>>>> this point
> >>>>>>>>>>> >>are
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> around
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > diversity.
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > Patrick
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 11:07 AM, Gang(Gary)
> Wang <
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > garyw@apache.org
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> Hi John and PPMCs
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> As John advised, our community and project
> >>>>>>>>>>> mnemonic might
> >>>>>>>>>>> >>be
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> ready to
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> get
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> graduated, I'd like to start the following
> votes
> >>>>>>>>>>> according
> >>>>>>>>>>> >>to
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > the
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> processes
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> of
> >>>>>>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html with
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> your
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> mentoring
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> and guidance if no objection today
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> - Community graduation vote
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> - IPMC recommendation vote
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> Mnemonic Project Incubation Status
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/mnemonic.html
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> Very truly yours
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> +Gary
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 11:26 PM, Gang(Gary)
> Wang
> >>>>>>>>>>> <
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> garyw@apache.org>
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Hi John
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Thank you for starting this discussion.
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Yes, our community is growing and continue to
> >>>>>>>>>>> attract
> >>>>>>>>>>> >>more
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> people
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > to
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> join
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > our community. Some industry users are aware
> >>>>>>>>>>> of mnemonic
> >>>>>>>>>>> >>and
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > already
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> get
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > interested as i known.
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Mnemonic is able to deliver unique values to
> >>>>>>>>>>> their
> >>>>>>>>>>> >>business
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > so I
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> think
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > that it is very important for us to get
> >>>>>>>>>>> mnemonic
> >>>>>>>>>>> >>graduated
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> in
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> time
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > if
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > qualified.
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > My 2 cents, looks nothing left for us to
> >>>>>>>>>>> graduate
> >>>>>>>>>>> >>Mnemonic,
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > I'm
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > also
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > looking forward to propose our project as
> >>>>>>>>>>> Apache TLP.
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Thanks!
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Very truly yours
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Gary
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > On Tuesday, May 2, 2017, John D. Ament <
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> johndament@apache.org
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > Hi Mnemonic PPMC,
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > After looking at your recent release, your
> >>>>>>>>>>> current
> >>>>>>>>>>> >>growth
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > and
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > well
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > functioning PPMC, was wondering what was left
> >>>>>>>>>>> for you
> >>>>>>>>>>> >>guys
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> to
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> graduate?
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > John
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > --
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > Best regards,
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > - Andy
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > If you are given a choice, you believe you have
> >>>>>>>>>>> acted freely. -
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> Raymond
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > Teller (via Peter Watts)
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> >
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation?
Posted by "Gang(Gary) Wang" <ga...@apache.org>.
Hi John
Thank you very much for the careful review and guidance, it is very helpful
and informative, we will follow up and fix all of the issues that you
pointed out for us, Thanks again!
Very truly yours
Gary
On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 7:50 PM, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
wrote:
> Hello,
>
> So first, I'll say its always great to see a podling aim to graduate. Its
> not up to me to measure whether the podling has been successful or not, but
> instead the IPMC as a whole. I can give you some feedback on the APMM
> assessment, but I'll point out that I'm not a fan of this form and
> completing this form is not a requirement for graduation.
>
> So please, when reviewing the below list, understand that completing this
> is not a requirement for graduation. Even then, podlings who think they
> pass it may be missing things.
>
> CD20 - You have a link in your header called GITHUB that brought me to
> your source code. Other projects use hacking guides. Unless you're on
> gitbox, the git primary repo should be the ASF hosted repos.
>
> CD30 - The usage of docker is in of itself a violation of this item, from
> my point of view. In your case, you're pointing to "centos:latest" which
> today is C7.2, but in a few months will be C7.3.
>
> CD50 - I can't tell if the pull requests to your repo are from committers
> or from contributors. If I take https://github.com/
> apache/incubator-mnemonic/pull/60 as an example, the commit message says
> nothing about provenance of the source code.
>
> LC50 - You mention in your response why this is incorrect (the use of
> *most*)
>
> RE10 - You link to http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/news/ but that
> doesn't include any download links. http://mnemonic.incubator.
> apache.org/downloads/ does include download links to the proper release
> mirrors.
>
> RE20 - You mention non-PMC members in the vote (PPMC).
>
> RE30 - Again, not using mirror.
>
> RE40 - Correct answer would be "NO. We do not distribute binary releases."
>
> RE50 - Your release process neglects deleting old artifacts.
>
> QU10 - Code quality is more than bug reports. You may want to use
> linters, sonar, etc.
>
> QU20 - This is only achievable if you've had a security vulnerability
> reported. If you haven't had one reported, there's no way to confirm this.
>
> QU50 - I see that MNEMONIC-203/217 have been open for around 6 months.
>
> CO10 - Github shows two pull requests open without any commentary or
> questions from the project's committers. Why is that?
>
> Regards,
>
> John
>
> On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 3:00 PM Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi John, Our Mentors and PPMCs
>>
>> We have prepared Apache Maturity checklist for your evaluation, please
>> guide us to graduate our project, thanks.
>>
>> All comments and suggestions are welcome!
>>
>> Cheers!
>> Gary
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 1:31 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi John
>>>
>>> Fixed it, Thank you for reminding me
>>>
>>> Very truly yours
>>> Gary
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 12:39 PM, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Please take a look at https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/
>>>> mnemonic/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 1:55 PM Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi John
>>>>>
>>>>> This issue has been fixed please refresh your browser and then review
>>>>> it, Thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>> Very truly yours
>>>>> Gary
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 10:33 AM, Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi John
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I didn't realize that and thank you very much for pointing it out, we
>>>>>> will correct this according to your guidance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>> Very truly yours
>>>>>> Gary
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 4:54 AM, John D. Ament <johndament@apache.org
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks, but you're still out of compliance.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - You're linking directly to your un-mirrored artifacts, but you
>>>>>>> should be linking to your mirrored artifacts.
>>>>>>> - You have not cleaned up your old releases, your old releases
>>>>>>> should be archived.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now here's the catch - we require mirroring but I can't find
>>>>>>> anything saying what the mirroring URL is. The format is going to be
>>>>>>> http://apache.org/dyn/closer.cgi/incubator/mnemonic and you'll want
>>>>>>> to grab your specific version from there.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> John
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 9:31 PM Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi John,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Download menu item has been added to the navigator in home
>>>>>>>> page, Please refresh your browser to review it, Thank you very much for the
>>>>>>>> suggestion.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Very truly yours
>>>>>>>> Gary
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 6:04 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi John,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You can download all versions of the package from Apache
>>>>>>>>> distribution site that is linked from the following web page
>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/releases
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Also, we can download them from Apache Mirrored Github page
>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/releases
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We could add another menu item on top of home page dedicated for
>>>>>>>>> downloading the latest one.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Very truly yours
>>>>>>>>> Gary
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 5:40 PM, John D. Ament <
>>>>>>>>> johndament@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm looking at your website. How do I download Mnemonic?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> John
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 4:37 PM Gary Wong <qi...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Uma
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, We are going to send out this checklist for PPMC review,
>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you very much for the guidance.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Very truly yours
>>>>>>>>>>> Gary
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Gangumalla, Uma <
>>>>>>>>>>> uma.gangumalla@intel.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> IMO, Mnemonic project doing good and ready for graduation.
>>>>>>>>>>>> What is the mentors call on this?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I remember many other projects do Maturity model checklist to
>>>>>>>>>>>> check where
>>>>>>>>>>>> we are? Gary/John do you mind ready that sheet, so that will
>>>>>>>>>>>> help to
>>>>>>>>>>>> assess better?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Uma
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/16/17, 12:46 PM, "Johnu George" <jo...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >It seems that we are ready to be a top level project . We
>>>>>>>>>>>> have a stable
>>>>>>>>>>>> >release and we work well as a apache community under the
>>>>>>>>>>>> guidance of our
>>>>>>>>>>>> >mentors. Any thoughts?
>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 12:00 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <
>>>>>>>>>>>> garyw@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Dear John and Patrick,
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Thank you for the guidance, we have completed the
>>>>>>>>>>>> construction of
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>Mnemonic
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Website recently according to your feedback, this Apache
>>>>>>>>>>>> server hosted
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> website will be kept up to date and maintained by dedicated
>>>>>>>>>>>> community
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> members. we also have redirected the visitors from Github
>>>>>>>>>>>> to our Apache
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> server hosted website by providing a forward link in project
>>>>>>>>>>>> README.md
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> file. Please review it as follows.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Note: the browser cache may cause unexpected view of this
>>>>>>>>>>>> website,
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>please
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> clear browser cache or visit it in incognito mode.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Very truly yours.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Gary
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 6:04 PM, John D. Ament <
>>>>>>>>>>>> johndament@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > Hi patrick,
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > I recently raised an issue with the website to the team.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I personally
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > would like to see that fixed before a graduation.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Specifically saying
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> that
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > you need to learn it from github.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > John
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:15 PM Patrick Hunt <
>>>>>>>>>>>> phunt@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > Given the recent work to bring on additional RMs (and
>>>>>>>>>>>> increase
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> community
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > involvement in general) and clearly document release
>>>>>>>>>>>> procedures I
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>feel
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > that
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > my previous concerns have been largely addressed. If
>>>>>>>>>>>> there is
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>interest
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> in
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > the community I would now be in favor, but up to you -
>>>>>>>>>>>> do you feel
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> you're
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > ready to graduate at this point?
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > Patrick
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 3:30 PM, Debojyoti Dutta <
>>>>>>>>>>>> ddutta@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> On the diversity issue, we are trying to solve that
>>>>>>>>>>>> with new
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> committers
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> from different organizations. We have had contributions
>>>>>>>>>>>> from other
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> companies like Cisco recently.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> This space is about to heat up soon and we will see more
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>committers.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> cheers
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> debo
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Patrick Hunt <
>>>>>>>>>>>> phunt@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > I've mentored a number of podlings over the years and
>>>>>>>>>>>> this one if
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> very
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> well
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > run and is on a good trajectory. As noted my main
>>>>>>>>>>>> concern is
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>about
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > diversity - in particular "self-sustaining and
>>>>>>>>>>>> self-governing
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> communities".
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#
>>>>>>>>>>>> community
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > That's pretty clear and concise statements from the
>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>community
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > as
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> a
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > whole as to what it takes. The podling is following
>>>>>>>>>>>> "the apache
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>way"
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> quite
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > well, so it's really the sustaining part for me.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ensuring that
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> community is
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > being built and the community as a whole is owning
>>>>>>>>>>>> the process.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > Hope this helps, regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > Patrick
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 2:24 PM, Andrew Purtell
>>>>>>>>>>>> >><apurtell@apache.org
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > For me the best test if a podling is ready for
>>>>>>>>>>>> graduation is
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>they
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> do
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> it
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > (mostly) for themselves. So, Mnemonic, I'd
>>>>>>>>>>>> encourage you to
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>search
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > through
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > the incubator mailing list archives for examples of
>>>>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>podlings
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > running
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > a graduation vote and submitting the result to the
>>>>>>>>>>>> IPMC. Then,
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>do
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > it.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > I'm glad to see the recent move to bring in more
>>>>>>>>>>>> RMs in
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>response
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > earlier feedback, now that everyone is aware of it.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, I
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> didn't
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> think
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > that the incubator report might not be read back.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 5:42 PM, John D. Ament <
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > johndament@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> Patrick,
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> I read it. I'm curious, did you or Andrew share
>>>>>>>>>>>> your feedback
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> with
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> Mnemonic directly? I've noticed that podlings
>>>>>>>>>>>> sometimes don't
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> see
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> input, and don't receive responses the way TLPs do.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> For the podling's information, we do also maintain
>>>>>>>>>>>> a whimsy
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>page
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> of
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> all
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> approved board reports per project, Mnemonic can
>>>>>>>>>>>> see that
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > information
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> here:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> https://whimsy.apache.org/board/minutes/Mnemonic
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> When I see a podling receiving 5 +1's on a dev
>>>>>>>>>>>> list release
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>vote,
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > that's a
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> great sign.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> There probably is room for more on list
>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion, and yes
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>the
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > committer
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> diversity isn't 100% there (I would be curious to
>>>>>>>>>>>> see company
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> affiliations).
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> I'll also point out that I sometimes ask these
>>>>>>>>>>>> questions to
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > podlings
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> get
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> them to start thinking about graduation, not
>>>>>>>>>>>> actually moving
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > forward
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> yet
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> due to $reasons.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 2:58 PM Patrick Hunt <
>>>>>>>>>>>> phunt@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > Hi John, did you read my feedback on the most
>>>>>>>>>>>> recent podling
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> report?
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > Do
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > you disagree? I don't believe this has changed
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>significantly in
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > the
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > past
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > month/two. For example all releases have been
>>>>>>>>>>>> done by a
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>single
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> person.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/March2017
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > As I've mentioned previously my only concerns at
>>>>>>>>>>>> this point
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>are
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> around
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > diversity.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > Patrick
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 11:07 AM, Gang(Gary) Wang
>>>>>>>>>>>> <
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > garyw@apache.org
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> Hi John and PPMCs
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> As John advised, our community and project
>>>>>>>>>>>> mnemonic might
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>be
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> ready to
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> get
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> graduated, I'd like to start the following
>>>>>>>>>>>> votes according
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>to
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > the
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> processes
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> of http://incubator.apache.org/
>>>>>>>>>>>> guides/graduation.html with
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> your
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> mentoring
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> and guidance if no objection today
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> - Community graduation vote
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> - IPMC recommendation vote
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> Mnemonic Project Incubation Status
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> http://incubator.apache.org/
>>>>>>>>>>>> projects/mnemonic.html
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> Very truly yours
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> +Gary
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 11:26 PM, Gang(Gary)
>>>>>>>>>>>> Wang <
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> garyw@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Hi John
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Thank you for starting this discussion.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Yes, our community is growing and continue to
>>>>>>>>>>>> attract
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>more
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> people
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > to
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> join
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > our community. Some industry users are aware
>>>>>>>>>>>> of mnemonic
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>and
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > already
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> get
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > interested as i known.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Mnemonic is able to deliver unique values to
>>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>business
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > so I
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> think
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > that it is very important for us to get
>>>>>>>>>>>> mnemonic
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>graduated
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> in
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> time
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > if
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > qualified.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > My 2 cents, looks nothing left for us to
>>>>>>>>>>>> graduate
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>Mnemonic,
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > also
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > looking forward to propose our project as
>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache TLP.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Thanks!
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Very truly yours
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Gary
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > On Tuesday, May 2, 2017, John D. Ament <
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> johndament@apache.org
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > Hi Mnemonic PPMC,
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > After looking at your recent release, your
>>>>>>>>>>>> current
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>growth
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > and
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > well
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > functioning PPMC, was wondering what was left
>>>>>>>>>>>> for you
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>guys
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> graduate?
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > John
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > --
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > - Andy
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > If you are given a choice, you believe you have
>>>>>>>>>>>> acted freely. -
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> Raymond
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > Teller (via Peter Watts)
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation?
Posted by "John D. Ament" <jo...@apache.org>.
Hello,
So first, I'll say its always great to see a podling aim to graduate. Its
not up to me to measure whether the podling has been successful or not, but
instead the IPMC as a whole. I can give you some feedback on the APMM
assessment, but I'll point out that I'm not a fan of this form and
completing this form is not a requirement for graduation.
So please, when reviewing the below list, understand that completing this
is not a requirement for graduation. Even then, podlings who think they
pass it may be missing things.
CD20 - You have a link in your header called GITHUB that brought me to your
source code. Other projects use hacking guides. Unless you're on gitbox,
the git primary repo should be the ASF hosted repos.
CD30 - The usage of docker is in of itself a violation of this item, from
my point of view. In your case, you're pointing to "centos:latest" which
today is C7.2, but in a few months will be C7.3.
CD50 - I can't tell if the pull requests to your repo are from committers
or from contributors. If I take
https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/pull/60 as an example, the
commit message says nothing about provenance of the source code.
LC50 - You mention in your response why this is incorrect (the use of
*most*)
RE10 - You link to http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/news/ but that
doesn't include any download links.
http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/downloads/ does include download links
to the proper release mirrors.
RE20 - You mention non-PMC members in the vote (PPMC).
RE30 - Again, not using mirror.
RE40 - Correct answer would be "NO. We do not distribute binary releases."
RE50 - Your release process neglects deleting old artifacts.
QU10 - Code quality is more than bug reports. You may want to use linters,
sonar, etc.
QU20 - This is only achievable if you've had a security vulnerability
reported. If you haven't had one reported, there's no way to confirm this.
QU50 - I see that MNEMONIC-203/217 have been open for around 6 months.
CO10 - Github shows two pull requests open without any commentary or
questions from the project's committers. Why is that?
Regards,
John
On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 3:00 PM Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi John, Our Mentors and PPMCs
>
> We have prepared Apache Maturity checklist for your evaluation, please
> guide us to graduate our project, thanks.
>
> All comments and suggestions are welcome!
>
> Cheers!
> Gary
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 1:31 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi John
>>
>> Fixed it, Thank you for reminding me
>>
>> Very truly yours
>> Gary
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 12:39 PM, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Please take a look at
>>> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/mnemonic/
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 1:55 PM Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi John
>>>>
>>>> This issue has been fixed please refresh your browser and then review
>>>> it, Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> Very truly yours
>>>> Gary
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 10:33 AM, Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi John
>>>>>
>>>>> I didn't realize that and thank you very much for pointing it out, we
>>>>> will correct this according to your guidance.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>> Very truly yours
>>>>> Gary
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 4:54 AM, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks, but you're still out of compliance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - You're linking directly to your un-mirrored artifacts, but you
>>>>>> should be linking to your mirrored artifacts.
>>>>>> - You have not cleaned up your old releases, your old releases should
>>>>>> be archived.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now here's the catch - we require mirroring but I can't find anything
>>>>>> saying what the mirroring URL is. The format is going to be
>>>>>> http://apache.org/dyn/closer.cgi/incubator/mnemonic and you'll want
>>>>>> to grab your specific version from there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> John
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 9:31 PM Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi John,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Download menu item has been added to the navigator in home page,
>>>>>>> Please refresh your browser to review it, Thank you very much for the
>>>>>>> suggestion.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Very truly yours
>>>>>>> Gary
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 6:04 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi John,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You can download all versions of the package from Apache
>>>>>>>> distribution site that is linked from the following web page
>>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/releases
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Also, we can download them from Apache Mirrored Github page
>>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/releases
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We could add another menu item on top of home page dedicated for
>>>>>>>> downloading the latest one.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Very truly yours
>>>>>>>> Gary
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 5:40 PM, John D. Ament <
>>>>>>>> johndament@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm looking at your website. How do I download Mnemonic?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> John
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 4:37 PM Gary Wong <qi...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Uma
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yes, We are going to send out this checklist for PPMC review,
>>>>>>>>>> Thank you very much for the guidance.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Very truly yours
>>>>>>>>>> Gary
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Gangumalla, Uma <
>>>>>>>>>> uma.gangumalla@intel.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> IMO, Mnemonic project doing good and ready for graduation.
>>>>>>>>>>> What is the mentors call on this?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I remember many other projects do Maturity model checklist to
>>>>>>>>>>> check where
>>>>>>>>>>> we are? Gary/John do you mind ready that sheet, so that will
>>>>>>>>>>> help to
>>>>>>>>>>> assess better?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>> Uma
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/16/17, 12:46 PM, "Johnu George" <jo...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >It seems that we are ready to be a top level project . We have
>>>>>>>>>>> a stable
>>>>>>>>>>> >release and we work well as a apache community under the
>>>>>>>>>>> guidance of our
>>>>>>>>>>> >mentors. Any thoughts?
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 12:00 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <
>>>>>>>>>>> garyw@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> Dear John and Patrick,
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> Thank you for the guidance, we have completed the
>>>>>>>>>>> construction of
>>>>>>>>>>> >>Mnemonic
>>>>>>>>>>> >> Website recently according to your feedback, this Apache
>>>>>>>>>>> server hosted
>>>>>>>>>>> >> website will be kept up to date and maintained by dedicated
>>>>>>>>>>> community
>>>>>>>>>>> >> members. we also have redirected the visitors from Github to
>>>>>>>>>>> our Apache
>>>>>>>>>>> >> server hosted website by providing a forward link in project
>>>>>>>>>>> README.md
>>>>>>>>>>> >> file. Please review it as follows.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> Note: the browser cache may cause unexpected view of this
>>>>>>>>>>> website,
>>>>>>>>>>> >>please
>>>>>>>>>>> >> clear browser cache or visit it in incognito mode.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> Very truly yours.
>>>>>>>>>>> >> Gary
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 6:04 PM, John D. Ament <
>>>>>>>>>>> johndament@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > Hi patrick,
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > I recently raised an issue with the website to the team. I
>>>>>>>>>>> personally
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > would like to see that fixed before a graduation.
>>>>>>>>>>> Specifically saying
>>>>>>>>>>> >> that
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > you need to learn it from github.
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > John
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:15 PM Patrick Hunt <
>>>>>>>>>>> phunt@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > Given the recent work to bring on additional RMs (and
>>>>>>>>>>> increase
>>>>>>>>>>> >> community
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > involvement in general) and clearly document release
>>>>>>>>>>> procedures I
>>>>>>>>>>> >>feel
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > that
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > my previous concerns have been largely addressed. If
>>>>>>>>>>> there is
>>>>>>>>>>> >>interest
>>>>>>>>>>> >> in
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > the community I would now be in favor, but up to you - do
>>>>>>>>>>> you feel
>>>>>>>>>>> >> you're
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > ready to graduate at this point?
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > Patrick
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 3:30 PM, Debojyoti Dutta <
>>>>>>>>>>> ddutta@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> On the diversity issue, we are trying to solve that with
>>>>>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>>>>>> >> committers
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> from different organizations. We have had contributions
>>>>>>>>>>> from other
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> companies like Cisco recently.
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> This space is about to heat up soon and we will see more
>>>>>>>>>>> >>committers.
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> cheers
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> debo
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Patrick Hunt <
>>>>>>>>>>> phunt@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > I've mentored a number of podlings over the years and
>>>>>>>>>>> this one if
>>>>>>>>>>> >> very
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> well
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > run and is on a good trajectory. As noted my main
>>>>>>>>>>> concern is
>>>>>>>>>>> >>about
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > diversity - in particular "self-sustaining and
>>>>>>>>>>> self-governing
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> communities".
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#community
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > That's pretty clear and concise statements from the
>>>>>>>>>>> Apache
>>>>>>>>>>> >>community
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > as
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> a
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > whole as to what it takes. The podling is following
>>>>>>>>>>> "the apache
>>>>>>>>>>> >>way"
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> quite
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > well, so it's really the sustaining part for me.
>>>>>>>>>>> Ensuring that
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> community is
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > being built and the community as a whole is owning the
>>>>>>>>>>> process.
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > Hope this helps, regards,
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > Patrick
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 2:24 PM, Andrew Purtell
>>>>>>>>>>> >><apurtell@apache.org
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > For me the best test if a podling is ready for
>>>>>>>>>>> graduation is
>>>>>>>>>>> >>they
>>>>>>>>>>> >> do
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> it
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > (mostly) for themselves. So, Mnemonic, I'd encourage
>>>>>>>>>>> you to
>>>>>>>>>>> >>search
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > through
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > the incubator mailing list archives for examples of
>>>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>>>> >>podlings
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > running
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > a graduation vote and submitting the result to the
>>>>>>>>>>> IPMC. Then,
>>>>>>>>>>> >>do
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > it.
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > I'm glad to see the recent move to bring in more RMs
>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>> >>response
>>>>>>>>>>> >> to
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> the
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > earlier feedback, now that everyone is aware of it.
>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, I
>>>>>>>>>>> >> didn't
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> think
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > that the incubator report might not be read back.
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 5:42 PM, John D. Ament <
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > johndament@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> Patrick,
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> I read it. I'm curious, did you or Andrew share
>>>>>>>>>>> your feedback
>>>>>>>>>>> >> with
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> Mnemonic directly? I've noticed that podlings
>>>>>>>>>>> sometimes don't
>>>>>>>>>>> >> see
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> the
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> input, and don't receive responses the way TLPs do.
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> For the podling's information, we do also maintain
>>>>>>>>>>> a whimsy
>>>>>>>>>>> >>page
>>>>>>>>>>> >> of
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> all
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> approved board reports per project, Mnemonic can
>>>>>>>>>>> see that
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > information
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> here:
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> https://whimsy.apache.org/board/minutes/Mnemonic
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> When I see a podling receiving 5 +1's on a dev list
>>>>>>>>>>> release
>>>>>>>>>>> >>vote,
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > that's a
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> great sign.
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> There probably is room for more on list discussion,
>>>>>>>>>>> and yes
>>>>>>>>>>> >>the
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > committer
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> diversity isn't 100% there (I would be curious to
>>>>>>>>>>> see company
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> affiliations).
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> I'll also point out that I sometimes ask these
>>>>>>>>>>> questions to
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > podlings
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> to
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> get
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> them to start thinking about graduation, not
>>>>>>>>>>> actually moving
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > forward
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> yet
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> due to $reasons.
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 2:58 PM Patrick Hunt <
>>>>>>>>>>> phunt@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > Hi John, did you read my feedback on the most
>>>>>>>>>>> recent podling
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> report?
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > Do
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > you disagree? I don't believe this has changed
>>>>>>>>>>> >>significantly in
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > the
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > past
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > month/two. For example all releases have been
>>>>>>>>>>> done by a
>>>>>>>>>>> >>single
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> person.
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/March2017
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > As I've mentioned previously my only concerns at
>>>>>>>>>>> this point
>>>>>>>>>>> >>are
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> around
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > diversity.
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > Patrick
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 11:07 AM, Gang(Gary) Wang <
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > garyw@apache.org
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> Hi John and PPMCs
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> As John advised, our community and project
>>>>>>>>>>> mnemonic might
>>>>>>>>>>> >>be
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> ready to
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> get
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> graduated, I'd like to start the following votes
>>>>>>>>>>> according
>>>>>>>>>>> >>to
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > the
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> processes
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> of
>>>>>>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html with
>>>>>>>>>>> >> your
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> mentoring
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> and guidance if no objection today
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> - Community graduation vote
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> - IPMC recommendation vote
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> Mnemonic Project Incubation Status
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/mnemonic.html
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> Very truly yours
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> +Gary
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 11:26 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang
>>>>>>>>>>> <
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> garyw@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Hi John
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Thank you for starting this discussion.
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Yes, our community is growing and continue to
>>>>>>>>>>> attract
>>>>>>>>>>> >>more
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> people
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > to
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> join
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > our community. Some industry users are aware
>>>>>>>>>>> of mnemonic
>>>>>>>>>>> >>and
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > already
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> get
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > interested as i known.
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Mnemonic is able to deliver unique values to
>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>> >>business
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > so I
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> think
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > that it is very important for us to get
>>>>>>>>>>> mnemonic
>>>>>>>>>>> >>graduated
>>>>>>>>>>> >> in
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> time
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > if
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > qualified.
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > My 2 cents, looks nothing left for us to
>>>>>>>>>>> graduate
>>>>>>>>>>> >>Mnemonic,
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > I'm
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > also
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > looking forward to propose our project as
>>>>>>>>>>> Apache TLP.
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Thanks!
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Very truly yours
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Gary
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > On Tuesday, May 2, 2017, John D. Ament <
>>>>>>>>>>> >> johndament@apache.org
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > Hi Mnemonic PPMC,
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > After looking at your recent release, your
>>>>>>>>>>> current
>>>>>>>>>>> >>growth
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > and
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > well
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > functioning PPMC, was wondering what was left
>>>>>>>>>>> for you
>>>>>>>>>>> >>guys
>>>>>>>>>>> >> to
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> graduate?
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > John
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > --
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > - Andy
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > If you are given a choice, you believe you have
>>>>>>>>>>> acted freely. -
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> Raymond
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > Teller (via Peter Watts)
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation?
Posted by "Gang(Gary) Wang" <ga...@apache.org>.
Hi John, Our Mentors and PPMCs
We have prepared Apache Maturity checklist for your evaluation, please
guide us to graduate our project, thanks.
All comments and suggestions are welcome!
Cheers!
Gary
On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 1:31 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi John
>
> Fixed it, Thank you for reminding me
>
> Very truly yours
> Gary
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 12:39 PM, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Please take a look at https://dist.apache.org/rep
>> os/dist/dev/incubator/mnemonic/
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 1:55 PM Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi John
>>>
>>> This issue has been fixed please refresh your browser and then review
>>> it, Thanks!
>>>
>>> Very truly yours
>>> Gary
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 10:33 AM, Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi John
>>>>
>>>> I didn't realize that and thank you very much for pointing it out, we
>>>> will correct this according to your guidance.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>> Very truly yours
>>>> Gary
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 4:54 AM, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks, but you're still out of compliance.
>>>>>
>>>>> - You're linking directly to your un-mirrored artifacts, but you
>>>>> should be linking to your mirrored artifacts.
>>>>> - You have not cleaned up your old releases, your old releases should
>>>>> be archived.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now here's the catch - we require mirroring but I can't find anything
>>>>> saying what the mirroring URL is. The format is going to be
>>>>> http://apache.org/dyn/closer.cgi/incubator/mnemonic and you'll want
>>>>> to grab your specific version from there.
>>>>>
>>>>> John
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 9:31 PM Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi John,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Download menu item has been added to the navigator in home page,
>>>>>> Please refresh your browser to review it, Thank you very much for the
>>>>>> suggestion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Very truly yours
>>>>>> Gary
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 6:04 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi John,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You can download all versions of the package from Apache
>>>>>>> distribution site that is linked from the following web page
>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/releases
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also, we can download them from Apache Mirrored Github page
>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/releases
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We could add another menu item on top of home page dedicated for
>>>>>>> downloading the latest one.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Very truly yours
>>>>>>> Gary
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 5:40 PM, John D. Ament <
>>>>>>> johndament@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm looking at your website. How do I download Mnemonic?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> John
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 4:37 PM Gary Wong <qi...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Uma
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes, We are going to send out this checklist for PPMC review,
>>>>>>>>> Thank you very much for the guidance.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Very truly yours
>>>>>>>>> Gary
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Gangumalla, Uma <
>>>>>>>>> uma.gangumalla@intel.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> IMO, Mnemonic project doing good and ready for graduation.
>>>>>>>>>> What is the mentors call on this?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I remember many other projects do Maturity model checklist to
>>>>>>>>>> check where
>>>>>>>>>> we are? Gary/John do you mind ready that sheet, so that will help
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> assess better?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>> Uma
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 8/16/17, 12:46 PM, "Johnu George" <jo...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >It seems that we are ready to be a top level project . We have
>>>>>>>>>> a stable
>>>>>>>>>> >release and we work well as a apache community under the
>>>>>>>>>> guidance of our
>>>>>>>>>> >mentors. Any thoughts?
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 12:00 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <
>>>>>>>>>> garyw@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> Dear John and Patrick,
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> Thank you for the guidance, we have completed the construction
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> >>Mnemonic
>>>>>>>>>> >> Website recently according to your feedback, this Apache
>>>>>>>>>> server hosted
>>>>>>>>>> >> website will be kept up to date and maintained by dedicated
>>>>>>>>>> community
>>>>>>>>>> >> members. we also have redirected the visitors from Github to
>>>>>>>>>> our Apache
>>>>>>>>>> >> server hosted website by providing a forward link in project
>>>>>>>>>> README.md
>>>>>>>>>> >> file. Please review it as follows.
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> Note: the browser cache may cause unexpected view of this
>>>>>>>>>> website,
>>>>>>>>>> >>please
>>>>>>>>>> >> clear browser cache or visit it in incognito mode.
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> Very truly yours.
>>>>>>>>>> >> Gary
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 6:04 PM, John D. Ament <
>>>>>>>>>> johndament@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>>> >> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> > Hi patrick,
>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> > I recently raised an issue with the website to the team. I
>>>>>>>>>> personally
>>>>>>>>>> >> > would like to see that fixed before a graduation.
>>>>>>>>>> Specifically saying
>>>>>>>>>> >> that
>>>>>>>>>> >> > you need to learn it from github.
>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> > John
>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> > On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:15 PM Patrick Hunt <
>>>>>>>>>> phunt@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> > > Given the recent work to bring on additional RMs (and
>>>>>>>>>> increase
>>>>>>>>>> >> community
>>>>>>>>>> >> > > involvement in general) and clearly document release
>>>>>>>>>> procedures I
>>>>>>>>>> >>feel
>>>>>>>>>> >> > that
>>>>>>>>>> >> > > my previous concerns have been largely addressed. If there
>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>> >>interest
>>>>>>>>>> >> in
>>>>>>>>>> >> > > the community I would now be in favor, but up to you - do
>>>>>>>>>> you feel
>>>>>>>>>> >> you're
>>>>>>>>>> >> > > ready to graduate at this point?
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>>>>>> >> > > Regards,
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>>>>>> >> > > Patrick
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>>>>>> >> > > On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 3:30 PM, Debojyoti Dutta <
>>>>>>>>>> ddutta@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>>> >> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> On the diversity issue, we are trying to solve that with
>>>>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>>>>> >> committers
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> from different organizations. We have had contributions
>>>>>>>>>> from other
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> companies like Cisco recently.
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> This space is about to heat up soon and we will see more
>>>>>>>>>> >>committers.
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> cheers
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> debo
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Patrick Hunt <
>>>>>>>>>> phunt@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>>> >> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > I've mentored a number of podlings over the years and
>>>>>>>>>> this one if
>>>>>>>>>> >> very
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> well
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > run and is on a good trajectory. As noted my main
>>>>>>>>>> concern is
>>>>>>>>>> >>about
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > diversity - in particular "self-sustaining and
>>>>>>>>>> self-governing
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> communities".
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > http://incubator.apache.org/gu
>>>>>>>>>> ides/graduation.html#community
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > That's pretty clear and concise statements from the
>>>>>>>>>> Apache
>>>>>>>>>> >>community
>>>>>>>>>> >> > as
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> a
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > whole as to what it takes. The podling is following
>>>>>>>>>> "the apache
>>>>>>>>>> >>way"
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> quite
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > well, so it's really the sustaining part for me.
>>>>>>>>>> Ensuring that
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> community is
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > being built and the community as a whole is owning the
>>>>>>>>>> process.
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > Hope this helps, regards,
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > Patrick
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 2:24 PM, Andrew Purtell
>>>>>>>>>> >><apurtell@apache.org
>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > For me the best test if a podling is ready for
>>>>>>>>>> graduation is
>>>>>>>>>> >>they
>>>>>>>>>> >> do
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> it
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > (mostly) for themselves. So, Mnemonic, I'd encourage
>>>>>>>>>> you to
>>>>>>>>>> >>search
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > through
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > the incubator mailing list archives for examples of
>>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>>> >>podlings
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > running
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > a graduation vote and submitting the result to the
>>>>>>>>>> IPMC. Then,
>>>>>>>>>> >>do
>>>>>>>>>> >> > it.
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > I'm glad to see the recent move to bring in more RMs
>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>> >>response
>>>>>>>>>> >> to
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> the
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > earlier feedback, now that everyone is aware of it.
>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, I
>>>>>>>>>> >> didn't
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> think
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > that the incubator report might not be read back.
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 5:42 PM, John D. Ament <
>>>>>>>>>> >> > johndament@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> Patrick,
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> I read it. I'm curious, did you or Andrew share
>>>>>>>>>> your feedback
>>>>>>>>>> >> with
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> Mnemonic directly? I've noticed that podlings
>>>>>>>>>> sometimes don't
>>>>>>>>>> >> see
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> the
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> input, and don't receive responses the way TLPs do.
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> For the podling's information, we do also maintain a
>>>>>>>>>> whimsy
>>>>>>>>>> >>page
>>>>>>>>>> >> of
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> all
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> approved board reports per project, Mnemonic can see
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> >> > information
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> here:
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> https://whimsy.apache.org/board/minutes/Mnemonic
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> When I see a podling receiving 5 +1's on a dev list
>>>>>>>>>> release
>>>>>>>>>> >>vote,
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > that's a
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> great sign.
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> There probably is room for more on list discussion,
>>>>>>>>>> and yes
>>>>>>>>>> >>the
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > committer
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> diversity isn't 100% there (I would be curious to
>>>>>>>>>> see company
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> affiliations).
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> I'll also point out that I sometimes ask these
>>>>>>>>>> questions to
>>>>>>>>>> >> > podlings
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> to
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> get
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> them to start thinking about graduation, not
>>>>>>>>>> actually moving
>>>>>>>>>> >> > forward
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> yet
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> due to $reasons.
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 2:58 PM Patrick Hunt <
>>>>>>>>>> phunt@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > Hi John, did you read my feedback on the most
>>>>>>>>>> recent podling
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> report?
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > Do
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > you disagree? I don't believe this has changed
>>>>>>>>>> >>significantly in
>>>>>>>>>> >> > the
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > past
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > month/two. For example all releases have been done
>>>>>>>>>> by a
>>>>>>>>>> >>single
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> person.
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/March2017
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > As I've mentioned previously my only concerns at
>>>>>>>>>> this point
>>>>>>>>>> >>are
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> around
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > diversity.
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > Patrick
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 11:07 AM, Gang(Gary) Wang <
>>>>>>>>>> >> > garyw@apache.org
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> Hi John and PPMCs
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> As John advised, our community and project
>>>>>>>>>> mnemonic might
>>>>>>>>>> >>be
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> ready to
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> get
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> graduated, I'd like to start the following votes
>>>>>>>>>> according
>>>>>>>>>> >>to
>>>>>>>>>> >> > the
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> processes
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> of http://incubator.apache.org/gu
>>>>>>>>>> ides/graduation.html with
>>>>>>>>>> >> your
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> mentoring
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> and guidance if no objection today
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> - Community graduation vote
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> - IPMC recommendation vote
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> Mnemonic Project Incubation Status
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> http://incubator.apache.org/pr
>>>>>>>>>> ojects/mnemonic.html
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> Very truly yours
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> +Gary
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 11:26 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> garyw@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Hi John
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Thank you for starting this discussion.
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Yes, our community is growing and continue to
>>>>>>>>>> attract
>>>>>>>>>> >>more
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> people
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > to
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> join
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > our community. Some industry users are aware of
>>>>>>>>>> mnemonic
>>>>>>>>>> >>and
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > already
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> get
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > interested as i known.
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Mnemonic is able to deliver unique values to
>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>> >>business
>>>>>>>>>> >> > so I
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> think
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > that it is very important for us to get mnemonic
>>>>>>>>>> >>graduated
>>>>>>>>>> >> in
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> time
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > if
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > qualified.
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > My 2 cents, looks nothing left for us to
>>>>>>>>>> graduate
>>>>>>>>>> >>Mnemonic,
>>>>>>>>>> >> > I'm
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > also
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > looking forward to propose our project as
>>>>>>>>>> Apache TLP.
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Thanks!
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Very truly yours
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Gary
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > On Tuesday, May 2, 2017, John D. Ament <
>>>>>>>>>> >> johndament@apache.org
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > Hi Mnemonic PPMC,
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > After looking at your recent release, your
>>>>>>>>>> current
>>>>>>>>>> >>growth
>>>>>>>>>> >> > and
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > well
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > functioning PPMC, was wondering what was left
>>>>>>>>>> for you
>>>>>>>>>> >>guys
>>>>>>>>>> >> to
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> graduate?
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > John
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > --
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > - Andy
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > If you are given a choice, you believe you have acted
>>>>>>>>>> freely. -
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> Raymond
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > Teller (via Peter Watts)
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation?
Posted by "Gang(Gary) Wang" <ga...@apache.org>.
Hi John
Fixed it, Thank you for reminding me
Very truly yours
Gary
On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 12:39 PM, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
wrote:
> Please take a look at https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/
> mnemonic/
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 1:55 PM Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi John
>>
>> This issue has been fixed please refresh your browser and then review it,
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Very truly yours
>> Gary
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 10:33 AM, Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi John
>>>
>>> I didn't realize that and thank you very much for pointing it out, we
>>> will correct this according to your guidance.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Very truly yours
>>> Gary
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 4:54 AM, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks, but you're still out of compliance.
>>>>
>>>> - You're linking directly to your un-mirrored artifacts, but you should
>>>> be linking to your mirrored artifacts.
>>>> - You have not cleaned up your old releases, your old releases should
>>>> be archived.
>>>>
>>>> Now here's the catch - we require mirroring but I can't find anything
>>>> saying what the mirroring URL is. The format is going to be
>>>> http://apache.org/dyn/closer.cgi/incubator/mnemonic and you'll want to
>>>> grab your specific version from there.
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 9:31 PM Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi John,
>>>>>
>>>>> The Download menu item has been added to the navigator in home page,
>>>>> Please refresh your browser to review it, Thank you very much for the
>>>>> suggestion.
>>>>>
>>>>> Very truly yours
>>>>> Gary
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 6:04 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi John,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You can download all versions of the package from Apache
>>>>>> distribution site that is linked from the following web page
>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/releases
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also, we can download them from Apache Mirrored Github page
>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/releases
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We could add another menu item on top of home page dedicated for
>>>>>> downloading the latest one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Very truly yours
>>>>>> Gary
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 5:40 PM, John D. Ament <johndament@apache.org
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm looking at your website. How do I download Mnemonic?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> John
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 4:37 PM Gary Wong <qi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Uma
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes, We are going to send out this checklist for PPMC review, Thank
>>>>>>>> you very much for the guidance.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Very truly yours
>>>>>>>> Gary
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Gangumalla, Uma <
>>>>>>>> uma.gangumalla@intel.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> IMO, Mnemonic project doing good and ready for graduation.
>>>>>>>>> What is the mentors call on this?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I remember many other projects do Maturity model checklist to
>>>>>>>>> check where
>>>>>>>>> we are? Gary/John do you mind ready that sheet, so that will help
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> assess better?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>> Uma
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 8/16/17, 12:46 PM, "Johnu George" <jo...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >It seems that we are ready to be a top level project . We have a
>>>>>>>>> stable
>>>>>>>>> >release and we work well as a apache community under the guidance
>>>>>>>>> of our
>>>>>>>>> >mentors. Any thoughts?
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 12:00 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <
>>>>>>>>> garyw@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >> Dear John and Patrick,
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> Thank you for the guidance, we have completed the construction
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> >>Mnemonic
>>>>>>>>> >> Website recently according to your feedback, this Apache server
>>>>>>>>> hosted
>>>>>>>>> >> website will be kept up to date and maintained by dedicated
>>>>>>>>> community
>>>>>>>>> >> members. we also have redirected the visitors from Github to
>>>>>>>>> our Apache
>>>>>>>>> >> server hosted website by providing a forward link in project
>>>>>>>>> README.md
>>>>>>>>> >> file. Please review it as follows.
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> Note: the browser cache may cause unexpected view of this
>>>>>>>>> website,
>>>>>>>>> >>please
>>>>>>>>> >> clear browser cache or visit it in incognito mode.
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> Very truly yours.
>>>>>>>>> >> Gary
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 6:04 PM, John D. Ament <
>>>>>>>>> johndament@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>> >> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> > Hi patrick,
>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>> >> > I recently raised an issue with the website to the team. I
>>>>>>>>> personally
>>>>>>>>> >> > would like to see that fixed before a graduation.
>>>>>>>>> Specifically saying
>>>>>>>>> >> that
>>>>>>>>> >> > you need to learn it from github.
>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>> >> > John
>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>> >> > On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:15 PM Patrick Hunt <
>>>>>>>>> phunt@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>> >> > > Given the recent work to bring on additional RMs (and
>>>>>>>>> increase
>>>>>>>>> >> community
>>>>>>>>> >> > > involvement in general) and clearly document release
>>>>>>>>> procedures I
>>>>>>>>> >>feel
>>>>>>>>> >> > that
>>>>>>>>> >> > > my previous concerns have been largely addressed. If there
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> >>interest
>>>>>>>>> >> in
>>>>>>>>> >> > > the community I would now be in favor, but up to you - do
>>>>>>>>> you feel
>>>>>>>>> >> you're
>>>>>>>>> >> > > ready to graduate at this point?
>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>>>>> >> > > Regards,
>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>>>>> >> > > Patrick
>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>>>>> >> > > On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 3:30 PM, Debojyoti Dutta <
>>>>>>>>> ddutta@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>> >> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> On the diversity issue, we are trying to solve that with
>>>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>>>> >> committers
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> from different organizations. We have had contributions
>>>>>>>>> from other
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> companies like Cisco recently.
>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> This space is about to heat up soon and we will see more
>>>>>>>>> >>committers.
>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> cheers
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> debo
>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Patrick Hunt <
>>>>>>>>> phunt@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>> >> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > I've mentored a number of podlings over the years and
>>>>>>>>> this one if
>>>>>>>>> >> very
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> well
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > run and is on a good trajectory. As noted my main
>>>>>>>>> concern is
>>>>>>>>> >>about
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > diversity - in particular "self-sustaining and
>>>>>>>>> self-governing
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> communities".
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#
>>>>>>>>> community
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > That's pretty clear and concise statements from the
>>>>>>>>> Apache
>>>>>>>>> >>community
>>>>>>>>> >> > as
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> a
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > whole as to what it takes. The podling is following "the
>>>>>>>>> apache
>>>>>>>>> >>way"
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> quite
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > well, so it's really the sustaining part for me.
>>>>>>>>> Ensuring that
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> community is
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > being built and the community as a whole is owning the
>>>>>>>>> process.
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > Hope this helps, regards,
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > Patrick
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 2:24 PM, Andrew Purtell
>>>>>>>>> >><apurtell@apache.org
>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > For me the best test if a podling is ready for
>>>>>>>>> graduation is
>>>>>>>>> >>they
>>>>>>>>> >> do
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> it
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > (mostly) for themselves. So, Mnemonic, I'd encourage
>>>>>>>>> you to
>>>>>>>>> >>search
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > through
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > the incubator mailing list archives for examples of
>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>> >>podlings
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > running
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > a graduation vote and submitting the result to the
>>>>>>>>> IPMC. Then,
>>>>>>>>> >>do
>>>>>>>>> >> > it.
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > I'm glad to see the recent move to bring in more RMs in
>>>>>>>>> >>response
>>>>>>>>> >> to
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> the
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > earlier feedback, now that everyone is aware of it.
>>>>>>>>> Sorry, I
>>>>>>>>> >> didn't
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> think
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > that the incubator report might not be read back.
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 5:42 PM, John D. Ament <
>>>>>>>>> >> > johndament@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> Patrick,
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> I read it. I'm curious, did you or Andrew share your
>>>>>>>>> feedback
>>>>>>>>> >> with
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> Mnemonic directly? I've noticed that podlings
>>>>>>>>> sometimes don't
>>>>>>>>> >> see
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> the
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> input, and don't receive responses the way TLPs do.
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> For the podling's information, we do also maintain a
>>>>>>>>> whimsy
>>>>>>>>> >>page
>>>>>>>>> >> of
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> all
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> approved board reports per project, Mnemonic can see
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> >> > information
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> here:
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> https://whimsy.apache.org/board/minutes/Mnemonic
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> When I see a podling receiving 5 +1's on a dev list
>>>>>>>>> release
>>>>>>>>> >>vote,
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > that's a
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> great sign.
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> There probably is room for more on list discussion,
>>>>>>>>> and yes
>>>>>>>>> >>the
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > committer
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> diversity isn't 100% there (I would be curious to see
>>>>>>>>> company
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> affiliations).
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> I'll also point out that I sometimes ask these
>>>>>>>>> questions to
>>>>>>>>> >> > podlings
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> to
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> get
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> them to start thinking about graduation, not actually
>>>>>>>>> moving
>>>>>>>>> >> > forward
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> yet
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> due to $reasons.
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 2:58 PM Patrick Hunt <
>>>>>>>>> phunt@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > Hi John, did you read my feedback on the most
>>>>>>>>> recent podling
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> report?
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > Do
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > you disagree? I don't believe this has changed
>>>>>>>>> >>significantly in
>>>>>>>>> >> > the
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > past
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > month/two. For example all releases have been done
>>>>>>>>> by a
>>>>>>>>> >>single
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> person.
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/March2017
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > As I've mentioned previously my only concerns at
>>>>>>>>> this point
>>>>>>>>> >>are
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> around
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > diversity.
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > Patrick
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 11:07 AM, Gang(Gary) Wang <
>>>>>>>>> >> > garyw@apache.org
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> Hi John and PPMCs
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> As John advised, our community and project
>>>>>>>>> mnemonic might
>>>>>>>>> >>be
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> ready to
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> get
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> graduated, I'd like to start the following votes
>>>>>>>>> according
>>>>>>>>> >>to
>>>>>>>>> >> > the
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> processes
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> of http://incubator.apache.org/
>>>>>>>>> guides/graduation.html with
>>>>>>>>> >> your
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> mentoring
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> and guidance if no objection today
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> - Community graduation vote
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> - IPMC recommendation vote
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> Mnemonic Project Incubation Status
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/mnemonic.html
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> Very truly yours
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> +Gary
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 11:26 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> garyw@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Hi John
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Thank you for starting this discussion.
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Yes, our community is growing and continue to
>>>>>>>>> attract
>>>>>>>>> >>more
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> people
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > to
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> join
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > our community. Some industry users are aware of
>>>>>>>>> mnemonic
>>>>>>>>> >>and
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > already
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> get
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > interested as i known.
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Mnemonic is able to deliver unique values to
>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>> >>business
>>>>>>>>> >> > so I
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> think
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > that it is very important for us to get mnemonic
>>>>>>>>> >>graduated
>>>>>>>>> >> in
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> time
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > if
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > qualified.
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > My 2 cents, looks nothing left for us to graduate
>>>>>>>>> >>Mnemonic,
>>>>>>>>> >> > I'm
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > also
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > looking forward to propose our project as Apache
>>>>>>>>> TLP.
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Thanks!
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Very truly yours
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Gary
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > On Tuesday, May 2, 2017, John D. Ament <
>>>>>>>>> >> johndament@apache.org
>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > Hi Mnemonic PPMC,
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > After looking at your recent release, your
>>>>>>>>> current
>>>>>>>>> >>growth
>>>>>>>>> >> > and
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > well
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > functioning PPMC, was wondering what was left
>>>>>>>>> for you
>>>>>>>>> >>guys
>>>>>>>>> >> to
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> graduate?
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > John
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > --
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > Best regards,
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > - Andy
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > If you are given a choice, you believe you have acted
>>>>>>>>> freely. -
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> Raymond
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > Teller (via Peter Watts)
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation?
Posted by "John D. Ament" <jo...@apache.org>.
Please take a look at
https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/mnemonic/
On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 1:55 PM Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi John
>
> This issue has been fixed please refresh your browser and then review it,
> Thanks!
>
> Very truly yours
> Gary
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 10:33 AM, Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi John
>>
>> I didn't realize that and thank you very much for pointing it out, we
>> will correct this according to your guidance.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Very truly yours
>> Gary
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 4:54 AM, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, but you're still out of compliance.
>>>
>>> - You're linking directly to your un-mirrored artifacts, but you should
>>> be linking to your mirrored artifacts.
>>> - You have not cleaned up your old releases, your old releases should be
>>> archived.
>>>
>>> Now here's the catch - we require mirroring but I can't find anything
>>> saying what the mirroring URL is. The format is going to be
>>> http://apache.org/dyn/closer.cgi/incubator/mnemonic and you'll want to
>>> grab your specific version from there.
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 9:31 PM Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi John,
>>>>
>>>> The Download menu item has been added to the navigator in home page,
>>>> Please refresh your browser to review it, Thank you very much for the
>>>> suggestion.
>>>>
>>>> Very truly yours
>>>> Gary
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 6:04 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi John,
>>>>>
>>>>> You can download all versions of the package from Apache
>>>>> distribution site that is linked from the following web page
>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/releases
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, we can download them from Apache Mirrored Github page
>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/releases
>>>>>
>>>>> We could add another menu item on top of home page dedicated for
>>>>> downloading the latest one.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>> Very truly yours
>>>>> Gary
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 5:40 PM, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm looking at your website. How do I download Mnemonic?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> John
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 4:37 PM Gary Wong <qi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Uma
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, We are going to send out this checklist for PPMC review, Thank
>>>>>>> you very much for the guidance.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Very truly yours
>>>>>>> Gary
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Gangumalla, Uma <
>>>>>>> uma.gangumalla@intel.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> IMO, Mnemonic project doing good and ready for graduation.
>>>>>>>> What is the mentors call on this?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I remember many other projects do Maturity model checklist to check
>>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>>> we are? Gary/John do you mind ready that sheet, so that will help to
>>>>>>>> assess better?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>> Uma
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 8/16/17, 12:46 PM, "Johnu George" <jo...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >It seems that we are ready to be a top level project . We have a
>>>>>>>> stable
>>>>>>>> >release and we work well as a apache community under the guidance
>>>>>>>> of our
>>>>>>>> >mentors. Any thoughts?
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 12:00 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >> Dear John and Patrick,
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> Thank you for the guidance, we have completed the construction of
>>>>>>>> >>Mnemonic
>>>>>>>> >> Website recently according to your feedback, this Apache server
>>>>>>>> hosted
>>>>>>>> >> website will be kept up to date and maintained by dedicated
>>>>>>>> community
>>>>>>>> >> members. we also have redirected the visitors from Github to
>>>>>>>> our Apache
>>>>>>>> >> server hosted website by providing a forward link in project
>>>>>>>> README.md
>>>>>>>> >> file. Please review it as follows.
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> Note: the browser cache may cause unexpected view of this
>>>>>>>> website,
>>>>>>>> >>please
>>>>>>>> >> clear browser cache or visit it in incognito mode.
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> Very truly yours.
>>>>>>>> >> Gary
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 6:04 PM, John D. Ament <
>>>>>>>> johndament@apache.org>
>>>>>>>> >> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> > Hi patrick,
>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>> >> > I recently raised an issue with the website to the team. I
>>>>>>>> personally
>>>>>>>> >> > would like to see that fixed before a graduation.
>>>>>>>> Specifically saying
>>>>>>>> >> that
>>>>>>>> >> > you need to learn it from github.
>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>> >> > John
>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>> >> > On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:15 PM Patrick Hunt <ph...@apache.org>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>> >> > > Given the recent work to bring on additional RMs (and
>>>>>>>> increase
>>>>>>>> >> community
>>>>>>>> >> > > involvement in general) and clearly document release
>>>>>>>> procedures I
>>>>>>>> >>feel
>>>>>>>> >> > that
>>>>>>>> >> > > my previous concerns have been largely addressed. If there is
>>>>>>>> >>interest
>>>>>>>> >> in
>>>>>>>> >> > > the community I would now be in favor, but up to you - do
>>>>>>>> you feel
>>>>>>>> >> you're
>>>>>>>> >> > > ready to graduate at this point?
>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > Regards,
>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > Patrick
>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 3:30 PM, Debojyoti Dutta <
>>>>>>>> ddutta@apache.org>
>>>>>>>> >> > wrote:
>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>>>> >> > >> On the diversity issue, we are trying to solve that with new
>>>>>>>> >> committers
>>>>>>>> >> > >> from different organizations. We have had contributions
>>>>>>>> from other
>>>>>>>> >> > >> companies like Cisco recently.
>>>>>>>> >> > >>
>>>>>>>> >> > >> This space is about to heat up soon and we will see more
>>>>>>>> >>committers.
>>>>>>>> >> > >>
>>>>>>>> >> > >> cheers
>>>>>>>> >> > >> debo
>>>>>>>> >> > >>
>>>>>>>> >> > >> On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Patrick Hunt <
>>>>>>>> phunt@apache.org>
>>>>>>>> >> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >> > >>
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > I've mentored a number of podlings over the years and
>>>>>>>> this one if
>>>>>>>> >> very
>>>>>>>> >> > >> well
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > run and is on a good trajectory. As noted my main concern
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> >>about
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > diversity - in particular "self-sustaining and
>>>>>>>> self-governing
>>>>>>>> >> > >> communities".
>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
>>>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#community
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > That's pretty clear and concise statements from the Apache
>>>>>>>> >>community
>>>>>>>> >> > as
>>>>>>>> >> > >> a
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > whole as to what it takes. The podling is following "the
>>>>>>>> apache
>>>>>>>> >>way"
>>>>>>>> >> > >> quite
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > well, so it's really the sustaining part for me. Ensuring
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> >> > >> community is
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > being built and the community as a whole is owning the
>>>>>>>> process.
>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > Hope this helps, regards,
>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > Patrick
>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 2:24 PM, Andrew Purtell
>>>>>>>> >><apurtell@apache.org
>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > wrote:
>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > For me the best test if a podling is ready for
>>>>>>>> graduation is
>>>>>>>> >>they
>>>>>>>> >> do
>>>>>>>> >> > >> it
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > (mostly) for themselves. So, Mnemonic, I'd encourage
>>>>>>>> you to
>>>>>>>> >>search
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > through
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > the incubator mailing list archives for examples of
>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>> >>podlings
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > running
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > a graduation vote and submitting the result to the
>>>>>>>> IPMC. Then,
>>>>>>>> >>do
>>>>>>>> >> > it.
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > I'm glad to see the recent move to bring in more RMs in
>>>>>>>> >>response
>>>>>>>> >> to
>>>>>>>> >> > >> the
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > earlier feedback, now that everyone is aware of it.
>>>>>>>> Sorry, I
>>>>>>>> >> didn't
>>>>>>>> >> > >> think
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > that the incubator report might not be read back.
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 5:42 PM, John D. Ament <
>>>>>>>> >> > johndament@apache.org>
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > wrote:
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> Patrick,
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> I read it. I'm curious, did you or Andrew share your
>>>>>>>> feedback
>>>>>>>> >> with
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> Mnemonic directly? I've noticed that podlings
>>>>>>>> sometimes don't
>>>>>>>> >> see
>>>>>>>> >> > >> the
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> input, and don't receive responses the way TLPs do.
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> For the podling's information, we do also maintain a
>>>>>>>> whimsy
>>>>>>>> >>page
>>>>>>>> >> of
>>>>>>>> >> > >> all
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> approved board reports per project, Mnemonic can see
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> >> > information
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> here:
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> https://whimsy.apache.org/board/minutes/Mnemonic
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> When I see a podling receiving 5 +1's on a dev list
>>>>>>>> release
>>>>>>>> >>vote,
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > that's a
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> great sign.
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> There probably is room for more on list discussion,
>>>>>>>> and yes
>>>>>>>> >>the
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > committer
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> diversity isn't 100% there (I would be curious to see
>>>>>>>> company
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> affiliations).
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> I'll also point out that I sometimes ask these
>>>>>>>> questions to
>>>>>>>> >> > podlings
>>>>>>>> >> > >> to
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> get
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> them to start thinking about graduation, not actually
>>>>>>>> moving
>>>>>>>> >> > forward
>>>>>>>> >> > >> yet
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> due to $reasons.
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 2:58 PM Patrick Hunt <
>>>>>>>> phunt@apache.org>
>>>>>>>> >> > >> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > Hi John, did you read my feedback on the most recent
>>>>>>>> podling
>>>>>>>> >> > >> report?
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > Do
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > you disagree? I don't believe this has changed
>>>>>>>> >>significantly in
>>>>>>>> >> > the
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > past
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > month/two. For example all releases have been done
>>>>>>>> by a
>>>>>>>> >>single
>>>>>>>> >> > >> person.
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/March2017
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > As I've mentioned previously my only concerns at
>>>>>>>> this point
>>>>>>>> >>are
>>>>>>>> >> > >> around
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > diversity.
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > Patrick
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 11:07 AM, Gang(Gary) Wang <
>>>>>>>> >> > garyw@apache.org
>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> Hi John and PPMCs
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> As John advised, our community and project mnemonic
>>>>>>>> might
>>>>>>>> >>be
>>>>>>>> >> > >> ready to
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> get
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> graduated, I'd like to start the following votes
>>>>>>>> according
>>>>>>>> >>to
>>>>>>>> >> > the
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> processes
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> of
>>>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html with
>>>>>>>> >> your
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> mentoring
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> and guidance if no objection today
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> - Community graduation vote
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> - IPMC recommendation vote
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> Mnemonic Project Incubation Status
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/mnemonic.html
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> Very truly yours
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> +Gary
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 11:26 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <
>>>>>>>> >> > >> garyw@apache.org>
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Hi John
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Thank you for starting this discussion.
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Yes, our community is growing and continue to
>>>>>>>> attract
>>>>>>>> >>more
>>>>>>>> >> > >> people
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > to
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> join
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > our community. Some industry users are aware of
>>>>>>>> mnemonic
>>>>>>>> >>and
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > already
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> get
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > interested as i known.
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Mnemonic is able to deliver unique values to their
>>>>>>>> >>business
>>>>>>>> >> > so I
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> think
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > that it is very important for us to get mnemonic
>>>>>>>> >>graduated
>>>>>>>> >> in
>>>>>>>> >> > >> time
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > if
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > qualified.
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > My 2 cents, looks nothing left for us to graduate
>>>>>>>> >>Mnemonic,
>>>>>>>> >> > I'm
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > also
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > looking forward to propose our project as Apache
>>>>>>>> TLP.
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Thanks!
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Very truly yours
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Gary
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > On Tuesday, May 2, 2017, John D. Ament <
>>>>>>>> >> johndament@apache.org
>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > Hi Mnemonic PPMC,
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > After looking at your recent release, your
>>>>>>>> current
>>>>>>>> >>growth
>>>>>>>> >> > and
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > well
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > functioning PPMC, was wondering what was left for
>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>> >>guys
>>>>>>>> >> to
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> graduate?
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > John
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > --
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > Best regards,
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > - Andy
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > If you are given a choice, you believe you have acted
>>>>>>>> freely. -
>>>>>>>> >> > >> Raymond
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > Teller (via Peter Watts)
>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>>>>> >> > >> >
>>>>>>>> >> > >>
>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation?
Posted by "Gang(Gary) Wang" <ga...@apache.org>.
Hi John
This issue has been fixed please refresh your browser and then review it,
Thanks!
Very truly yours
Gary
On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 10:33 AM, Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi John
>
> I didn't realize that and thank you very much for pointing it out, we will
> correct this according to your guidance.
>
> Thanks!
> Very truly yours
> Gary
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 4:54 AM, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks, but you're still out of compliance.
>>
>> - You're linking directly to your un-mirrored artifacts, but you should
>> be linking to your mirrored artifacts.
>> - You have not cleaned up your old releases, your old releases should be
>> archived.
>>
>> Now here's the catch - we require mirroring but I can't find anything
>> saying what the mirroring URL is. The format is going to be
>> http://apache.org/dyn/closer.cgi/incubator/mnemonic and you'll want to
>> grab your specific version from there.
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 9:31 PM Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi John,
>>>
>>> The Download menu item has been added to the navigator in home page,
>>> Please refresh your browser to review it, Thank you very much for the
>>> suggestion.
>>>
>>> Very truly yours
>>> Gary
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 6:04 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi John,
>>>>
>>>> You can download all versions of the package from Apache
>>>> distribution site that is linked from the following web page
>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/releases
>>>>
>>>> Also, we can download them from Apache Mirrored Github page
>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/releases
>>>>
>>>> We could add another menu item on top of home page dedicated for
>>>> downloading the latest one.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> Very truly yours
>>>> Gary
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 5:40 PM, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm looking at your website. How do I download Mnemonic?
>>>>>
>>>>> John
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 4:37 PM Gary Wong <qi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Uma
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, We are going to send out this checklist for PPMC review, Thank
>>>>>> you very much for the guidance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Very truly yours
>>>>>> Gary
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Gangumalla, Uma <
>>>>>> uma.gangumalla@intel.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> IMO, Mnemonic project doing good and ready for graduation.
>>>>>>> What is the mentors call on this?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I remember many other projects do Maturity model checklist to check
>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>> we are? Gary/John do you mind ready that sheet, so that will help to
>>>>>>> assess better?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Uma
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 8/16/17, 12:46 PM, "Johnu George" <jo...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >It seems that we are ready to be a top level project . We have a
>>>>>>> stable
>>>>>>> >release and we work well as a apache community under the guidance
>>>>>>> of our
>>>>>>> >mentors. Any thoughts?
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 12:00 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >> Dear John and Patrick,
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> Thank you for the guidance, we have completed the construction of
>>>>>>> >>Mnemonic
>>>>>>> >> Website recently according to your feedback, this Apache server
>>>>>>> hosted
>>>>>>> >> website will be kept up to date and maintained by dedicated
>>>>>>> community
>>>>>>> >> members. we also have redirected the visitors from Github to our
>>>>>>> Apache
>>>>>>> >> server hosted website by providing a forward link in project
>>>>>>> README.md
>>>>>>> >> file. Please review it as follows.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> Note: the browser cache may cause unexpected view of this website,
>>>>>>> >>please
>>>>>>> >> clear browser cache or visit it in incognito mode.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> Very truly yours.
>>>>>>> >> Gary
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 6:04 PM, John D. Ament <
>>>>>>> johndament@apache.org>
>>>>>>> >> wrote:
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> > Hi patrick,
>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>> >> > I recently raised an issue with the website to the team. I
>>>>>>> personally
>>>>>>> >> > would like to see that fixed before a graduation. Specifically
>>>>>>> saying
>>>>>>> >> that
>>>>>>> >> > you need to learn it from github.
>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>> >> > John
>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>> >> > On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:15 PM Patrick Hunt <ph...@apache.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>> >> > > Given the recent work to bring on additional RMs (and increase
>>>>>>> >> community
>>>>>>> >> > > involvement in general) and clearly document release
>>>>>>> procedures I
>>>>>>> >>feel
>>>>>>> >> > that
>>>>>>> >> > > my previous concerns have been largely addressed. If there is
>>>>>>> >>interest
>>>>>>> >> in
>>>>>>> >> > > the community I would now be in favor, but up to you - do you
>>>>>>> feel
>>>>>>> >> you're
>>>>>>> >> > > ready to graduate at this point?
>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>>> >> > > Regards,
>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>>> >> > > Patrick
>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>>> >> > > On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 3:30 PM, Debojyoti Dutta <
>>>>>>> ddutta@apache.org>
>>>>>>> >> > wrote:
>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>>> >> > >> On the diversity issue, we are trying to solve that with new
>>>>>>> >> committers
>>>>>>> >> > >> from different organizations. We have had contributions from
>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>> >> > >> companies like Cisco recently.
>>>>>>> >> > >>
>>>>>>> >> > >> This space is about to heat up soon and we will see more
>>>>>>> >>committers.
>>>>>>> >> > >>
>>>>>>> >> > >> cheers
>>>>>>> >> > >> debo
>>>>>>> >> > >>
>>>>>>> >> > >> On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Patrick Hunt <
>>>>>>> phunt@apache.org>
>>>>>>> >> wrote:
>>>>>>> >> > >>
>>>>>>> >> > >> > I've mentored a number of podlings over the years and this
>>>>>>> one if
>>>>>>> >> very
>>>>>>> >> > >> well
>>>>>>> >> > >> > run and is on a good trajectory. As noted my main concern
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> >>about
>>>>>>> >> > >> > diversity - in particular "self-sustaining and
>>>>>>> self-governing
>>>>>>> >> > >> communities".
>>>>>>> >> > >> > http://incubator.apache.org/gu
>>>>>>> ides/graduation.html#community
>>>>>>> >> > >> > That's pretty clear and concise statements from the Apache
>>>>>>> >>community
>>>>>>> >> > as
>>>>>>> >> > >> a
>>>>>>> >> > >> > whole as to what it takes. The podling is following "the
>>>>>>> apache
>>>>>>> >>way"
>>>>>>> >> > >> quite
>>>>>>> >> > >> > well, so it's really the sustaining part for me. Ensuring
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> >> > >> community is
>>>>>>> >> > >> > being built and the community as a whole is owning the
>>>>>>> process.
>>>>>>> >> > >> >
>>>>>>> >> > >> > Hope this helps, regards,
>>>>>>> >> > >> >
>>>>>>> >> > >> > Patrick
>>>>>>> >> > >> >
>>>>>>> >> > >> > On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 2:24 PM, Andrew Purtell
>>>>>>> >><apurtell@apache.org
>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>> >> > >> > wrote:
>>>>>>> >> > >> >
>>>>>>> >> > >> > > For me the best test if a podling is ready for
>>>>>>> graduation is
>>>>>>> >>they
>>>>>>> >> do
>>>>>>> >> > >> it
>>>>>>> >> > >> > > (mostly) for themselves. So, Mnemonic, I'd encourage you
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> >>search
>>>>>>> >> > >> > through
>>>>>>> >> > >> > > the incubator mailing list archives for examples of other
>>>>>>> >>podlings
>>>>>>> >> > >> > running
>>>>>>> >> > >> > > a graduation vote and submitting the result to the IPMC.
>>>>>>> Then,
>>>>>>> >>do
>>>>>>> >> > it.
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>>>> >> > >> > > I'm glad to see the recent move to bring in more RMs in
>>>>>>> >>response
>>>>>>> >> to
>>>>>>> >> > >> the
>>>>>>> >> > >> > > earlier feedback, now that everyone is aware of it.
>>>>>>> Sorry, I
>>>>>>> >> didn't
>>>>>>> >> > >> think
>>>>>>> >> > >> > > that the incubator report might not be read back.
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>>>> >> > >> > > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 5:42 PM, John D. Ament <
>>>>>>> >> > johndament@apache.org>
>>>>>>> >> > >> > > wrote:
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> Patrick,
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> I read it. I'm curious, did you or Andrew share your
>>>>>>> feedback
>>>>>>> >> with
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> Mnemonic directly? I've noticed that podlings
>>>>>>> sometimes don't
>>>>>>> >> see
>>>>>>> >> > >> the
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> input, and don't receive responses the way TLPs do.
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> For the podling's information, we do also maintain a
>>>>>>> whimsy
>>>>>>> >>page
>>>>>>> >> of
>>>>>>> >> > >> all
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> approved board reports per project, Mnemonic can see
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> >> > information
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> here:
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> https://whimsy.apache.org/board/minutes/Mnemonic
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> When I see a podling receiving 5 +1's on a dev list
>>>>>>> release
>>>>>>> >>vote,
>>>>>>> >> > >> > that's a
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> great sign.
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> There probably is room for more on list discussion, and
>>>>>>> yes
>>>>>>> >>the
>>>>>>> >> > >> > committer
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> diversity isn't 100% there (I would be curious to see
>>>>>>> company
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> affiliations).
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> I'll also point out that I sometimes ask these
>>>>>>> questions to
>>>>>>> >> > podlings
>>>>>>> >> > >> to
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> get
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> them to start thinking about graduation, not actually
>>>>>>> moving
>>>>>>> >> > forward
>>>>>>> >> > >> yet
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> due to $reasons.
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 2:58 PM Patrick Hunt <
>>>>>>> phunt@apache.org>
>>>>>>> >> > >> wrote:
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > Hi John, did you read my feedback on the most recent
>>>>>>> podling
>>>>>>> >> > >> report?
>>>>>>> >> > >> > Do
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > you disagree? I don't believe this has changed
>>>>>>> >>significantly in
>>>>>>> >> > the
>>>>>>> >> > >> > past
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > month/two. For example all releases have been done by
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> >>single
>>>>>>> >> > >> person.
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/March2017
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > As I've mentioned previously my only concerns at this
>>>>>>> point
>>>>>>> >>are
>>>>>>> >> > >> around
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > diversity.
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > Patrick
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 11:07 AM, Gang(Gary) Wang <
>>>>>>> >> > garyw@apache.org
>>>>>>> >> > >> >
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> wrote:
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> Hi John and PPMCs
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> As John advised, our community and project mnemonic
>>>>>>> might
>>>>>>> >>be
>>>>>>> >> > >> ready to
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> get
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> graduated, I'd like to start the following votes
>>>>>>> according
>>>>>>> >>to
>>>>>>> >> > the
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> processes
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> of http://incubator.apache.org/gu
>>>>>>> ides/graduation.html with
>>>>>>> >> your
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> mentoring
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> and guidance if no objection today
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> - Community graduation vote
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> - IPMC recommendation vote
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> Mnemonic Project Incubation Status
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/mnemonic.html
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> Very truly yours
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> +Gary
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 11:26 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <
>>>>>>> >> > >> garyw@apache.org>
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> wrote:
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Hi John
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Thank you for starting this discussion.
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Yes, our community is growing and continue to
>>>>>>> attract
>>>>>>> >>more
>>>>>>> >> > >> people
>>>>>>> >> > >> > to
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> join
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > our community. Some industry users are aware of
>>>>>>> mnemonic
>>>>>>> >>and
>>>>>>> >> > >> > already
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> get
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > interested as i known.
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Mnemonic is able to deliver unique values to their
>>>>>>> >>business
>>>>>>> >> > so I
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> think
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > that it is very important for us to get mnemonic
>>>>>>> >>graduated
>>>>>>> >> in
>>>>>>> >> > >> time
>>>>>>> >> > >> > if
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > qualified.
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > My 2 cents, looks nothing left for us to graduate
>>>>>>> >>Mnemonic,
>>>>>>> >> > I'm
>>>>>>> >> > >> > also
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > looking forward to propose our project as Apache
>>>>>>> TLP.
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Thanks!
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Very truly yours
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Gary
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > On Tuesday, May 2, 2017, John D. Ament <
>>>>>>> >> johndament@apache.org
>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> wrote:
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > Hi Mnemonic PPMC,
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > After looking at your recent release, your
>>>>>>> current
>>>>>>> >>growth
>>>>>>> >> > and
>>>>>>> >> > >> > well
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > functioning PPMC, was wondering what was left for
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> >>guys
>>>>>>> >> to
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> graduate?
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > John
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>>>> >> > >> > > --
>>>>>>> >> > >> > > Best regards,
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>>>> >> > >> > > - Andy
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>>>> >> > >> > > If you are given a choice, you believe you have acted
>>>>>>> freely. -
>>>>>>> >> > >> Raymond
>>>>>>> >> > >> > > Teller (via Peter Watts)
>>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>>>> >> > >> >
>>>>>>> >> > >>
>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation?
Posted by "Gang(Gary) Wang" <ga...@apache.org>.
Hi John
I didn't realize that and thank you very much for pointing it out, we will
correct this according to your guidance.
Thanks!
Very truly yours
Gary
On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 4:54 AM, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
wrote:
> Thanks, but you're still out of compliance.
>
> - You're linking directly to your un-mirrored artifacts, but you should be
> linking to your mirrored artifacts.
> - You have not cleaned up your old releases, your old releases should be
> archived.
>
> Now here's the catch - we require mirroring but I can't find anything
> saying what the mirroring URL is. The format is going to be
> http://apache.org/dyn/closer.cgi/incubator/mnemonic and you'll want to
> grab your specific version from there.
>
> John
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 9:31 PM Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi John,
>>
>> The Download menu item has been added to the navigator in home page,
>> Please refresh your browser to review it, Thank you very much for the
>> suggestion.
>>
>> Very truly yours
>> Gary
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 6:04 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi John,
>>>
>>> You can download all versions of the package from Apache
>>> distribution site that is linked from the following web page
>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/releases
>>>
>>> Also, we can download them from Apache Mirrored Github page
>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/releases
>>>
>>> We could add another menu item on top of home page dedicated for
>>> downloading the latest one.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Very truly yours
>>> Gary
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 5:40 PM, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm looking at your website. How do I download Mnemonic?
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 4:37 PM Gary Wong <qi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Uma
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, We are going to send out this checklist for PPMC review, Thank
>>>>> you very much for the guidance.
>>>>>
>>>>> Very truly yours
>>>>> Gary
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Gangumalla, Uma <
>>>>> uma.gangumalla@intel.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> IMO, Mnemonic project doing good and ready for graduation.
>>>>>> What is the mentors call on this?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I remember many other projects do Maturity model checklist to check
>>>>>> where
>>>>>> we are? Gary/John do you mind ready that sheet, so that will help to
>>>>>> assess better?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Uma
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 8/16/17, 12:46 PM, "Johnu George" <jo...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >It seems that we are ready to be a top level project . We have a
>>>>>> stable
>>>>>> >release and we work well as a apache community under the guidance of
>>>>>> our
>>>>>> >mentors. Any thoughts?
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 12:00 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >> Dear John and Patrick,
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Thank you for the guidance, we have completed the construction of
>>>>>> >>Mnemonic
>>>>>> >> Website recently according to your feedback, this Apache server
>>>>>> hosted
>>>>>> >> website will be kept up to date and maintained by dedicated
>>>>>> community
>>>>>> >> members. we also have redirected the visitors from Github to our
>>>>>> Apache
>>>>>> >> server hosted website by providing a forward link in project
>>>>>> README.md
>>>>>> >> file. Please review it as follows.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Note: the browser cache may cause unexpected view of this website,
>>>>>> >>please
>>>>>> >> clear browser cache or visit it in incognito mode.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Very truly yours.
>>>>>> >> Gary
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 6:04 PM, John D. Ament <
>>>>>> johndament@apache.org>
>>>>>> >> wrote:
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> > Hi patrick,
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> > I recently raised an issue with the website to the team. I
>>>>>> personally
>>>>>> >> > would like to see that fixed before a graduation. Specifically
>>>>>> saying
>>>>>> >> that
>>>>>> >> > you need to learn it from github.
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> > John
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> > On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:15 PM Patrick Hunt <ph...@apache.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> > > Given the recent work to bring on additional RMs (and increase
>>>>>> >> community
>>>>>> >> > > involvement in general) and clearly document release
>>>>>> procedures I
>>>>>> >>feel
>>>>>> >> > that
>>>>>> >> > > my previous concerns have been largely addressed. If there is
>>>>>> >>interest
>>>>>> >> in
>>>>>> >> > > the community I would now be in favor, but up to you - do you
>>>>>> feel
>>>>>> >> you're
>>>>>> >> > > ready to graduate at this point?
>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>> >> > > Regards,
>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>> >> > > Patrick
>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>> >> > > On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 3:30 PM, Debojyoti Dutta <
>>>>>> ddutta@apache.org>
>>>>>> >> > wrote:
>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>> >> > >> On the diversity issue, we are trying to solve that with new
>>>>>> >> committers
>>>>>> >> > >> from different organizations. We have had contributions from
>>>>>> other
>>>>>> >> > >> companies like Cisco recently.
>>>>>> >> > >>
>>>>>> >> > >> This space is about to heat up soon and we will see more
>>>>>> >>committers.
>>>>>> >> > >>
>>>>>> >> > >> cheers
>>>>>> >> > >> debo
>>>>>> >> > >>
>>>>>> >> > >> On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Patrick Hunt <
>>>>>> phunt@apache.org>
>>>>>> >> wrote:
>>>>>> >> > >>
>>>>>> >> > >> > I've mentored a number of podlings over the years and this
>>>>>> one if
>>>>>> >> very
>>>>>> >> > >> well
>>>>>> >> > >> > run and is on a good trajectory. As noted my main concern is
>>>>>> >>about
>>>>>> >> > >> > diversity - in particular "self-sustaining and
>>>>>> self-governing
>>>>>> >> > >> communities".
>>>>>> >> > >> > http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#
>>>>>> community
>>>>>> >> > >> > That's pretty clear and concise statements from the Apache
>>>>>> >>community
>>>>>> >> > as
>>>>>> >> > >> a
>>>>>> >> > >> > whole as to what it takes. The podling is following "the
>>>>>> apache
>>>>>> >>way"
>>>>>> >> > >> quite
>>>>>> >> > >> > well, so it's really the sustaining part for me. Ensuring
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> >> > >> community is
>>>>>> >> > >> > being built and the community as a whole is owning the
>>>>>> process.
>>>>>> >> > >> >
>>>>>> >> > >> > Hope this helps, regards,
>>>>>> >> > >> >
>>>>>> >> > >> > Patrick
>>>>>> >> > >> >
>>>>>> >> > >> > On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 2:24 PM, Andrew Purtell
>>>>>> >><apurtell@apache.org
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> > >> > wrote:
>>>>>> >> > >> >
>>>>>> >> > >> > > For me the best test if a podling is ready for graduation
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> >>they
>>>>>> >> do
>>>>>> >> > >> it
>>>>>> >> > >> > > (mostly) for themselves. So, Mnemonic, I'd encourage you
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> >>search
>>>>>> >> > >> > through
>>>>>> >> > >> > > the incubator mailing list archives for examples of other
>>>>>> >>podlings
>>>>>> >> > >> > running
>>>>>> >> > >> > > a graduation vote and submitting the result to the IPMC.
>>>>>> Then,
>>>>>> >>do
>>>>>> >> > it.
>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>>> >> > >> > > I'm glad to see the recent move to bring in more RMs in
>>>>>> >>response
>>>>>> >> to
>>>>>> >> > >> the
>>>>>> >> > >> > > earlier feedback, now that everyone is aware of it.
>>>>>> Sorry, I
>>>>>> >> didn't
>>>>>> >> > >> think
>>>>>> >> > >> > > that the incubator report might not be read back.
>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>>> >> > >> > > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 5:42 PM, John D. Ament <
>>>>>> >> > johndament@apache.org>
>>>>>> >> > >> > > wrote:
>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>>> >> > >> > >> Patrick,
>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>>>> >> > >> > >> I read it. I'm curious, did you or Andrew share your
>>>>>> feedback
>>>>>> >> with
>>>>>> >> > >> > >> Mnemonic directly? I've noticed that podlings sometimes
>>>>>> don't
>>>>>> >> see
>>>>>> >> > >> the
>>>>>> >> > >> > >> input, and don't receive responses the way TLPs do.
>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>>>> >> > >> > >> For the podling's information, we do also maintain a
>>>>>> whimsy
>>>>>> >>page
>>>>>> >> of
>>>>>> >> > >> all
>>>>>> >> > >> > >> approved board reports per project, Mnemonic can see that
>>>>>> >> > information
>>>>>> >> > >> > >> here:
>>>>>> >> > >> > >> https://whimsy.apache.org/board/minutes/Mnemonic
>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>>>> >> > >> > >> When I see a podling receiving 5 +1's on a dev list
>>>>>> release
>>>>>> >>vote,
>>>>>> >> > >> > that's a
>>>>>> >> > >> > >> great sign.
>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>>>> >> > >> > >> There probably is room for more on list discussion, and
>>>>>> yes
>>>>>> >>the
>>>>>> >> > >> > committer
>>>>>> >> > >> > >> diversity isn't 100% there (I would be curious to see
>>>>>> company
>>>>>> >> > >> > >> affiliations).
>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>>>> >> > >> > >> I'll also point out that I sometimes ask these questions
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> >> > podlings
>>>>>> >> > >> to
>>>>>> >> > >> > >> get
>>>>>> >> > >> > >> them to start thinking about graduation, not actually
>>>>>> moving
>>>>>> >> > forward
>>>>>> >> > >> yet
>>>>>> >> > >> > >> due to $reasons.
>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>>>> >> > >> > >> On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 2:58 PM Patrick Hunt <
>>>>>> phunt@apache.org>
>>>>>> >> > >> wrote:
>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > Hi John, did you read my feedback on the most recent
>>>>>> podling
>>>>>> >> > >> report?
>>>>>> >> > >> > Do
>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > you disagree? I don't believe this has changed
>>>>>> >>significantly in
>>>>>> >> > the
>>>>>> >> > >> > past
>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > month/two. For example all releases have been done by a
>>>>>> >>single
>>>>>> >> > >> person.
>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/March2017
>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > As I've mentioned previously my only concerns at this
>>>>>> point
>>>>>> >>are
>>>>>> >> > >> around
>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > diversity.
>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > Patrick
>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 11:07 AM, Gang(Gary) Wang <
>>>>>> >> > garyw@apache.org
>>>>>> >> > >> >
>>>>>> >> > >> > >> wrote:
>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> Hi John and PPMCs
>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> As John advised, our community and project mnemonic
>>>>>> might
>>>>>> >>be
>>>>>> >> > >> ready to
>>>>>> >> > >> > >> get
>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> graduated, I'd like to start the following votes
>>>>>> according
>>>>>> >>to
>>>>>> >> > the
>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> processes
>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> of http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> >> your
>>>>>> >> > >> > >> mentoring
>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> and guidance if no objection today
>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> - Community graduation vote
>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> - IPMC recommendation vote
>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> Mnemonic Project Incubation Status
>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/mnemonic.html
>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> Very truly yours
>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> +Gary
>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 11:26 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <
>>>>>> >> > >> garyw@apache.org>
>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> wrote:
>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Hi John
>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Thank you for starting this discussion.
>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Yes, our community is growing and continue to
>>>>>> attract
>>>>>> >>more
>>>>>> >> > >> people
>>>>>> >> > >> > to
>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> join
>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > our community. Some industry users are aware of
>>>>>> mnemonic
>>>>>> >>and
>>>>>> >> > >> > already
>>>>>> >> > >> > >> get
>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > interested as i known.
>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Mnemonic is able to deliver unique values to their
>>>>>> >>business
>>>>>> >> > so I
>>>>>> >> > >> > >> think
>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > that it is very important for us to get mnemonic
>>>>>> >>graduated
>>>>>> >> in
>>>>>> >> > >> time
>>>>>> >> > >> > if
>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > qualified.
>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > My 2 cents, looks nothing left for us to graduate
>>>>>> >>Mnemonic,
>>>>>> >> > I'm
>>>>>> >> > >> > also
>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > looking forward to propose our project as Apache
>>>>>> TLP.
>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Thanks!
>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Very truly yours
>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Gary
>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > On Tuesday, May 2, 2017, John D. Ament <
>>>>>> >> johndament@apache.org
>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>> >> > >> > >> wrote:
>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > Hi Mnemonic PPMC,
>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >
>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > After looking at your recent release, your current
>>>>>> >>growth
>>>>>> >> > and
>>>>>> >> > >> > well
>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > functioning PPMC, was wondering what was left for
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> >>guys
>>>>>> >> to
>>>>>> >> > >> > >> graduate?
>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >
>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > John
>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >
>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>>> >> > >> > > --
>>>>>> >> > >> > > Best regards,
>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>>> >> > >> > > - Andy
>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>>> >> > >> > > If you are given a choice, you believe you have acted
>>>>>> freely. -
>>>>>> >> > >> Raymond
>>>>>> >> > >> > > Teller (via Peter Watts)
>>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>>> >> > >> >
>>>>>> >> > >>
>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>
>>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation?
Posted by "John D. Ament" <jo...@apache.org>.
Thanks, but you're still out of compliance.
- You're linking directly to your un-mirrored artifacts, but you should be
linking to your mirrored artifacts.
- You have not cleaned up your old releases, your old releases should be
archived.
Now here's the catch - we require mirroring but I can't find anything
saying what the mirroring URL is. The format is going to be
http://apache.org/dyn/closer.cgi/incubator/mnemonic and you'll want to grab
your specific version from there.
John
On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 9:31 PM Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi John,
>
> The Download menu item has been added to the navigator in home page,
> Please refresh your browser to review it, Thank you very much for the
> suggestion.
>
> Very truly yours
> Gary
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 6:04 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi John,
>>
>> You can download all versions of the package from Apache
>> distribution site that is linked from the following web page
>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/releases
>>
>> Also, we can download them from Apache Mirrored Github page
>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/releases
>>
>> We could add another menu item on top of home page dedicated for
>> downloading the latest one.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Very truly yours
>> Gary
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 5:40 PM, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm looking at your website. How do I download Mnemonic?
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 4:37 PM Gary Wong <qi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Uma
>>>>
>>>> Yes, We are going to send out this checklist for PPMC review, Thank you
>>>> very much for the guidance.
>>>>
>>>> Very truly yours
>>>> Gary
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Gangumalla, Uma <
>>>> uma.gangumalla@intel.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> IMO, Mnemonic project doing good and ready for graduation.
>>>>> What is the mentors call on this?
>>>>>
>>>>> I remember many other projects do Maturity model checklist to check
>>>>> where
>>>>> we are? Gary/John do you mind ready that sheet, so that will help to
>>>>> assess better?
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Uma
>>>>>
>>>>> On 8/16/17, 12:46 PM, "Johnu George" <jo...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> >It seems that we are ready to be a top level project . We have a
>>>>> stable
>>>>> >release and we work well as a apache community under the guidance of
>>>>> our
>>>>> >mentors. Any thoughts?
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 12:00 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> Dear John and Patrick,
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Thank you for the guidance, we have completed the construction of
>>>>> >>Mnemonic
>>>>> >> Website recently according to your feedback, this Apache server
>>>>> hosted
>>>>> >> website will be kept up to date and maintained by dedicated
>>>>> community
>>>>> >> members. we also have redirected the visitors from Github to our
>>>>> Apache
>>>>> >> server hosted website by providing a forward link in project
>>>>> README.md
>>>>> >> file. Please review it as follows.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Note: the browser cache may cause unexpected view of this website,
>>>>> >>please
>>>>> >> clear browser cache or visit it in incognito mode.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Very truly yours.
>>>>> >> Gary
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 6:04 PM, John D. Ament <
>>>>> johndament@apache.org>
>>>>> >> wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> > Hi patrick,
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > I recently raised an issue with the website to the team. I
>>>>> personally
>>>>> >> > would like to see that fixed before a graduation. Specifically
>>>>> saying
>>>>> >> that
>>>>> >> > you need to learn it from github.
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > John
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:15 PM Patrick Hunt <ph...@apache.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > > Given the recent work to bring on additional RMs (and increase
>>>>> >> community
>>>>> >> > > involvement in general) and clearly document release procedures
>>>>> I
>>>>> >>feel
>>>>> >> > that
>>>>> >> > > my previous concerns have been largely addressed. If there is
>>>>> >>interest
>>>>> >> in
>>>>> >> > > the community I would now be in favor, but up to you - do you
>>>>> feel
>>>>> >> you're
>>>>> >> > > ready to graduate at this point?
>>>>> >> > >
>>>>> >> > > Regards,
>>>>> >> > >
>>>>> >> > > Patrick
>>>>> >> > >
>>>>> >> > >
>>>>> >> > > On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 3:30 PM, Debojyoti Dutta <
>>>>> ddutta@apache.org>
>>>>> >> > wrote:
>>>>> >> > >
>>>>> >> > >> On the diversity issue, we are trying to solve that with new
>>>>> >> committers
>>>>> >> > >> from different organizations. We have had contributions from
>>>>> other
>>>>> >> > >> companies like Cisco recently.
>>>>> >> > >>
>>>>> >> > >> This space is about to heat up soon and we will see more
>>>>> >>committers.
>>>>> >> > >>
>>>>> >> > >> cheers
>>>>> >> > >> debo
>>>>> >> > >>
>>>>> >> > >> On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Patrick Hunt <phunt@apache.org
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> wrote:
>>>>> >> > >>
>>>>> >> > >> > I've mentored a number of podlings over the years and this
>>>>> one if
>>>>> >> very
>>>>> >> > >> well
>>>>> >> > >> > run and is on a good trajectory. As noted my main concern is
>>>>> >>about
>>>>> >> > >> > diversity - in particular "self-sustaining and self-governing
>>>>> >> > >> communities".
>>>>> >> > >> > http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#community
>>>>> >> > >> > That's pretty clear and concise statements from the Apache
>>>>> >>community
>>>>> >> > as
>>>>> >> > >> a
>>>>> >> > >> > whole as to what it takes. The podling is following "the
>>>>> apache
>>>>> >>way"
>>>>> >> > >> quite
>>>>> >> > >> > well, so it's really the sustaining part for me. Ensuring
>>>>> that
>>>>> >> > >> community is
>>>>> >> > >> > being built and the community as a whole is owning the
>>>>> process.
>>>>> >> > >> >
>>>>> >> > >> > Hope this helps, regards,
>>>>> >> > >> >
>>>>> >> > >> > Patrick
>>>>> >> > >> >
>>>>> >> > >> > On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 2:24 PM, Andrew Purtell
>>>>> >><apurtell@apache.org
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > >> > wrote:
>>>>> >> > >> >
>>>>> >> > >> > > For me the best test if a podling is ready for graduation
>>>>> is
>>>>> >>they
>>>>> >> do
>>>>> >> > >> it
>>>>> >> > >> > > (mostly) for themselves. So, Mnemonic, I'd encourage you to
>>>>> >>search
>>>>> >> > >> > through
>>>>> >> > >> > > the incubator mailing list archives for examples of other
>>>>> >>podlings
>>>>> >> > >> > running
>>>>> >> > >> > > a graduation vote and submitting the result to the IPMC.
>>>>> Then,
>>>>> >>do
>>>>> >> > it.
>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>> >> > >> > > I'm glad to see the recent move to bring in more RMs in
>>>>> >>response
>>>>> >> to
>>>>> >> > >> the
>>>>> >> > >> > > earlier feedback, now that everyone is aware of it. Sorry,
>>>>> I
>>>>> >> didn't
>>>>> >> > >> think
>>>>> >> > >> > > that the incubator report might not be read back.
>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>> >> > >> > > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 5:42 PM, John D. Ament <
>>>>> >> > johndament@apache.org>
>>>>> >> > >> > > wrote:
>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>> >> > >> > >> Patrick,
>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>>> >> > >> > >> I read it. I'm curious, did you or Andrew share your
>>>>> feedback
>>>>> >> with
>>>>> >> > >> > >> Mnemonic directly? I've noticed that podlings sometimes
>>>>> don't
>>>>> >> see
>>>>> >> > >> the
>>>>> >> > >> > >> input, and don't receive responses the way TLPs do.
>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>>> >> > >> > >> For the podling's information, we do also maintain a
>>>>> whimsy
>>>>> >>page
>>>>> >> of
>>>>> >> > >> all
>>>>> >> > >> > >> approved board reports per project, Mnemonic can see that
>>>>> >> > information
>>>>> >> > >> > >> here:
>>>>> >> > >> > >> https://whimsy.apache.org/board/minutes/Mnemonic
>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>>> >> > >> > >> When I see a podling receiving 5 +1's on a dev list
>>>>> release
>>>>> >>vote,
>>>>> >> > >> > that's a
>>>>> >> > >> > >> great sign.
>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>>> >> > >> > >> There probably is room for more on list discussion, and
>>>>> yes
>>>>> >>the
>>>>> >> > >> > committer
>>>>> >> > >> > >> diversity isn't 100% there (I would be curious to see
>>>>> company
>>>>> >> > >> > >> affiliations).
>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>>> >> > >> > >> I'll also point out that I sometimes ask these questions
>>>>> to
>>>>> >> > podlings
>>>>> >> > >> to
>>>>> >> > >> > >> get
>>>>> >> > >> > >> them to start thinking about graduation, not actually
>>>>> moving
>>>>> >> > forward
>>>>> >> > >> yet
>>>>> >> > >> > >> due to $reasons.
>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>>> >> > >> > >> On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 2:58 PM Patrick Hunt <
>>>>> phunt@apache.org>
>>>>> >> > >> wrote:
>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>>> >> > >> > >> > Hi John, did you read my feedback on the most recent
>>>>> podling
>>>>> >> > >> report?
>>>>> >> > >> > Do
>>>>> >> > >> > >> > you disagree? I don't believe this has changed
>>>>> >>significantly in
>>>>> >> > the
>>>>> >> > >> > past
>>>>> >> > >> > >> > month/two. For example all releases have been done by a
>>>>> >>single
>>>>> >> > >> person.
>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>>>>> >> > >> > >> > https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/March2017
>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>>>>> >> > >> > >> > As I've mentioned previously my only concerns at this
>>>>> point
>>>>> >>are
>>>>> >> > >> around
>>>>> >> > >> > >> > diversity.
>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>>>>> >> > >> > >> > Patrick
>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>>>>> >> > >> > >> > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 11:07 AM, Gang(Gary) Wang <
>>>>> >> > garyw@apache.org
>>>>> >> > >> >
>>>>> >> > >> > >> wrote:
>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> Hi John and PPMCs
>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> As John advised, our community and project mnemonic
>>>>> might
>>>>> >>be
>>>>> >> > >> ready to
>>>>> >> > >> > >> get
>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> graduated, I'd like to start the following votes
>>>>> according
>>>>> >>to
>>>>> >> > the
>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> processes
>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> of http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html
>>>>> with
>>>>> >> your
>>>>> >> > >> > >> mentoring
>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> and guidance if no objection today
>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> - Community graduation vote
>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> - IPMC recommendation vote
>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> Mnemonic Project Incubation Status
>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/mnemonic.html
>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> Very truly yours
>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> +Gary
>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 11:26 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <
>>>>> >> > >> garyw@apache.org>
>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> wrote:
>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Hi John
>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Thank you for starting this discussion.
>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Yes, our community is growing and continue to attract
>>>>> >>more
>>>>> >> > >> people
>>>>> >> > >> > to
>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> join
>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > our community. Some industry users are aware of
>>>>> mnemonic
>>>>> >>and
>>>>> >> > >> > already
>>>>> >> > >> > >> get
>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > interested as i known.
>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Mnemonic is able to deliver unique values to their
>>>>> >>business
>>>>> >> > so I
>>>>> >> > >> > >> think
>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > that it is very important for us to get mnemonic
>>>>> >>graduated
>>>>> >> in
>>>>> >> > >> time
>>>>> >> > >> > if
>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > qualified.
>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > My 2 cents, looks nothing left for us to graduate
>>>>> >>Mnemonic,
>>>>> >> > I'm
>>>>> >> > >> > also
>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > looking forward to propose our project as Apache TLP.
>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Thanks!
>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Very truly yours
>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Gary
>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > On Tuesday, May 2, 2017, John D. Ament <
>>>>> >> johndament@apache.org
>>>>> >> > >
>>>>> >> > >> > >> wrote:
>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > Hi Mnemonic PPMC,
>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >
>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > After looking at your recent release, your current
>>>>> >>growth
>>>>> >> > and
>>>>> >> > >> > well
>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > functioning PPMC, was wondering what was left for you
>>>>> >>guys
>>>>> >> to
>>>>> >> > >> > >> graduate?
>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >
>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > John
>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >
>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>> >> > >> > > --
>>>>> >> > >> > > Best regards,
>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>> >> > >> > > - Andy
>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>> >> > >> > > If you are given a choice, you believe you have acted
>>>>> freely. -
>>>>> >> > >> Raymond
>>>>> >> > >> > > Teller (via Peter Watts)
>>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>>> >> > >> >
>>>>> >> > >>
>>>>> >> > >
>>>>> >> > >
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation?
Posted by "Gang(Gary) Wang" <ga...@apache.org>.
Hi John,
The Download menu item has been added to the navigator in home page, Please
refresh your browser to review it, Thank you very much for the suggestion.
Very truly yours
Gary
On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 6:04 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi John,
>
> You can download all versions of the package from Apache distribution site
> that is linked from the following web page
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/releases
>
> Also, we can download them from Apache Mirrored Github page
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/releases
>
> We could add another menu item on top of home page dedicated for
> downloading the latest one.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Very truly yours
> Gary
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 5:40 PM, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
>> I'm looking at your website. How do I download Mnemonic?
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 4:37 PM Gary Wong <qi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Uma
>>>
>>> Yes, We are going to send out this checklist for PPMC review, Thank you
>>> very much for the guidance.
>>>
>>> Very truly yours
>>> Gary
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Gangumalla, Uma <
>>> uma.gangumalla@intel.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> IMO, Mnemonic project doing good and ready for graduation.
>>>> What is the mentors call on this?
>>>>
>>>> I remember many other projects do Maturity model checklist to check
>>>> where
>>>> we are? Gary/John do you mind ready that sheet, so that will help to
>>>> assess better?
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Uma
>>>>
>>>> On 8/16/17, 12:46 PM, "Johnu George" <jo...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >It seems that we are ready to be a top level project . We have a
>>>> stable
>>>> >release and we work well as a apache community under the guidance of
>>>> our
>>>> >mentors. Any thoughts?
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 12:00 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> Dear John and Patrick,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Thank you for the guidance, we have completed the construction of
>>>> >>Mnemonic
>>>> >> Website recently according to your feedback, this Apache server
>>>> hosted
>>>> >> website will be kept up to date and maintained by dedicated community
>>>> >> members. we also have redirected the visitors from Github to our
>>>> Apache
>>>> >> server hosted website by providing a forward link in project
>>>> README.md
>>>> >> file. Please review it as follows.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Note: the browser cache may cause unexpected view of this website,
>>>> >>please
>>>> >> clear browser cache or visit it in incognito mode.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Very truly yours.
>>>> >> Gary
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 6:04 PM, John D. Ament <
>>>> johndament@apache.org>
>>>> >> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> > Hi patrick,
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > I recently raised an issue with the website to the team. I
>>>> personally
>>>> >> > would like to see that fixed before a graduation. Specifically
>>>> saying
>>>> >> that
>>>> >> > you need to learn it from github.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > John
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:15 PM Patrick Hunt <ph...@apache.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > > Given the recent work to bring on additional RMs (and increase
>>>> >> community
>>>> >> > > involvement in general) and clearly document release procedures I
>>>> >>feel
>>>> >> > that
>>>> >> > > my previous concerns have been largely addressed. If there is
>>>> >>interest
>>>> >> in
>>>> >> > > the community I would now be in favor, but up to you - do you
>>>> feel
>>>> >> you're
>>>> >> > > ready to graduate at this point?
>>>> >> > >
>>>> >> > > Regards,
>>>> >> > >
>>>> >> > > Patrick
>>>> >> > >
>>>> >> > >
>>>> >> > > On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 3:30 PM, Debojyoti Dutta <
>>>> ddutta@apache.org>
>>>> >> > wrote:
>>>> >> > >
>>>> >> > >> On the diversity issue, we are trying to solve that with new
>>>> >> committers
>>>> >> > >> from different organizations. We have had contributions from
>>>> other
>>>> >> > >> companies like Cisco recently.
>>>> >> > >>
>>>> >> > >> This space is about to heat up soon and we will see more
>>>> >>committers.
>>>> >> > >>
>>>> >> > >> cheers
>>>> >> > >> debo
>>>> >> > >>
>>>> >> > >> On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Patrick Hunt <ph...@apache.org>
>>>> >> wrote:
>>>> >> > >>
>>>> >> > >> > I've mentored a number of podlings over the years and this
>>>> one if
>>>> >> very
>>>> >> > >> well
>>>> >> > >> > run and is on a good trajectory. As noted my main concern is
>>>> >>about
>>>> >> > >> > diversity - in particular "self-sustaining and self-governing
>>>> >> > >> communities".
>>>> >> > >> > http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#community
>>>> >> > >> > That's pretty clear and concise statements from the Apache
>>>> >>community
>>>> >> > as
>>>> >> > >> a
>>>> >> > >> > whole as to what it takes. The podling is following "the
>>>> apache
>>>> >>way"
>>>> >> > >> quite
>>>> >> > >> > well, so it's really the sustaining part for me. Ensuring that
>>>> >> > >> community is
>>>> >> > >> > being built and the community as a whole is owning the
>>>> process.
>>>> >> > >> >
>>>> >> > >> > Hope this helps, regards,
>>>> >> > >> >
>>>> >> > >> > Patrick
>>>> >> > >> >
>>>> >> > >> > On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 2:24 PM, Andrew Purtell
>>>> >><apurtell@apache.org
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > >> > wrote:
>>>> >> > >> >
>>>> >> > >> > > For me the best test if a podling is ready for graduation is
>>>> >>they
>>>> >> do
>>>> >> > >> it
>>>> >> > >> > > (mostly) for themselves. So, Mnemonic, I'd encourage you to
>>>> >>search
>>>> >> > >> > through
>>>> >> > >> > > the incubator mailing list archives for examples of other
>>>> >>podlings
>>>> >> > >> > running
>>>> >> > >> > > a graduation vote and submitting the result to the IPMC.
>>>> Then,
>>>> >>do
>>>> >> > it.
>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>> >> > >> > > I'm glad to see the recent move to bring in more RMs in
>>>> >>response
>>>> >> to
>>>> >> > >> the
>>>> >> > >> > > earlier feedback, now that everyone is aware of it. Sorry, I
>>>> >> didn't
>>>> >> > >> think
>>>> >> > >> > > that the incubator report might not be read back.
>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>> >> > >> > > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 5:42 PM, John D. Ament <
>>>> >> > johndament@apache.org>
>>>> >> > >> > > wrote:
>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>> >> > >> > >> Patrick,
>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>> >> > >> > >> I read it. I'm curious, did you or Andrew share your
>>>> feedback
>>>> >> with
>>>> >> > >> > >> Mnemonic directly? I've noticed that podlings sometimes
>>>> don't
>>>> >> see
>>>> >> > >> the
>>>> >> > >> > >> input, and don't receive responses the way TLPs do.
>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>> >> > >> > >> For the podling's information, we do also maintain a whimsy
>>>> >>page
>>>> >> of
>>>> >> > >> all
>>>> >> > >> > >> approved board reports per project, Mnemonic can see that
>>>> >> > information
>>>> >> > >> > >> here:
>>>> >> > >> > >> https://whimsy.apache.org/board/minutes/Mnemonic
>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>> >> > >> > >> When I see a podling receiving 5 +1's on a dev list release
>>>> >>vote,
>>>> >> > >> > that's a
>>>> >> > >> > >> great sign.
>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>> >> > >> > >> There probably is room for more on list discussion, and yes
>>>> >>the
>>>> >> > >> > committer
>>>> >> > >> > >> diversity isn't 100% there (I would be curious to see
>>>> company
>>>> >> > >> > >> affiliations).
>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>> >> > >> > >> I'll also point out that I sometimes ask these questions to
>>>> >> > podlings
>>>> >> > >> to
>>>> >> > >> > >> get
>>>> >> > >> > >> them to start thinking about graduation, not actually
>>>> moving
>>>> >> > forward
>>>> >> > >> yet
>>>> >> > >> > >> due to $reasons.
>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>> >> > >> > >> On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 2:58 PM Patrick Hunt <
>>>> phunt@apache.org>
>>>> >> > >> wrote:
>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>> >> > >> > >> > Hi John, did you read my feedback on the most recent
>>>> podling
>>>> >> > >> report?
>>>> >> > >> > Do
>>>> >> > >> > >> > you disagree? I don't believe this has changed
>>>> >>significantly in
>>>> >> > the
>>>> >> > >> > past
>>>> >> > >> > >> > month/two. For example all releases have been done by a
>>>> >>single
>>>> >> > >> person.
>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>>>> >> > >> > >> > https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/March2017
>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>>>> >> > >> > >> > As I've mentioned previously my only concerns at this
>>>> point
>>>> >>are
>>>> >> > >> around
>>>> >> > >> > >> > diversity.
>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>>>> >> > >> > >> > Patrick
>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>>>> >> > >> > >> > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 11:07 AM, Gang(Gary) Wang <
>>>> >> > garyw@apache.org
>>>> >> > >> >
>>>> >> > >> > >> wrote:
>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>>>> >> > >> > >> >> Hi John and PPMCs
>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>>> >> > >> > >> >> As John advised, our community and project mnemonic
>>>> might
>>>> >>be
>>>> >> > >> ready to
>>>> >> > >> > >> get
>>>> >> > >> > >> >> graduated, I'd like to start the following votes
>>>> according
>>>> >>to
>>>> >> > the
>>>> >> > >> > >> >> processes
>>>> >> > >> > >> >> of http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html
>>>> with
>>>> >> your
>>>> >> > >> > >> mentoring
>>>> >> > >> > >> >> and guidance if no objection today
>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>>> >> > >> > >> >> - Community graduation vote
>>>> >> > >> > >> >> - IPMC recommendation vote
>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>>> >> > >> > >> >> Mnemonic Project Incubation Status
>>>> >> > >> > >> >> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/mnemonic.html
>>>> >> > >> > >> >> Very truly yours
>>>> >> > >> > >> >> +Gary
>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>>> >> > >> > >> >> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 11:26 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <
>>>> >> > >> garyw@apache.org>
>>>> >> > >> > >> >> wrote:
>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Hi John
>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Thank you for starting this discussion.
>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Yes, our community is growing and continue to attract
>>>> >>more
>>>> >> > >> people
>>>> >> > >> > to
>>>> >> > >> > >> >> join
>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > our community. Some industry users are aware of
>>>> mnemonic
>>>> >>and
>>>> >> > >> > already
>>>> >> > >> > >> get
>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > interested as i known.
>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Mnemonic is able to deliver unique values to their
>>>> >>business
>>>> >> > so I
>>>> >> > >> > >> think
>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > that it is very important for us to get mnemonic
>>>> >>graduated
>>>> >> in
>>>> >> > >> time
>>>> >> > >> > if
>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > qualified.
>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > My 2 cents, looks nothing left for us to graduate
>>>> >>Mnemonic,
>>>> >> > I'm
>>>> >> > >> > also
>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > looking forward to propose our project as Apache TLP.
>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Thanks!
>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Very truly yours
>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Gary
>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > On Tuesday, May 2, 2017, John D. Ament <
>>>> >> johndament@apache.org
>>>> >> > >
>>>> >> > >> > >> wrote:
>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > Hi Mnemonic PPMC,
>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >
>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > After looking at your recent release, your current
>>>> >>growth
>>>> >> > and
>>>> >> > >> > well
>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > functioning PPMC, was wondering what was left for you
>>>> >>guys
>>>> >> to
>>>> >> > >> > >> graduate?
>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >
>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > John
>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >
>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>>>> >> > >> > >> >
>>>> >> > >> > >>
>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>> >> > >> > > --
>>>> >> > >> > > Best regards,
>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>> >> > >> > > - Andy
>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>> >> > >> > > If you are given a choice, you believe you have acted
>>>> freely. -
>>>> >> > >> Raymond
>>>> >> > >> > > Teller (via Peter Watts)
>>>> >> > >> > >
>>>> >> > >> >
>>>> >> > >>
>>>> >> > >
>>>> >> > >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >>
>>>>
>>>>
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation?
Posted by "Gang(Gary) Wang" <ga...@apache.org>.
Hi John,
You can download all versions of the package from Apache distribution site
that is linked from the following web page
https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/releases
Also, we can download them from Apache Mirrored Github page
https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/releases
We could add another menu item on top of home page dedicated for
downloading the latest one.
Thanks!
Very truly yours
Gary
On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 5:40 PM, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
wrote:
> I'm looking at your website. How do I download Mnemonic?
>
> John
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 4:37 PM Gary Wong <qi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Uma
>>
>> Yes, We are going to send out this checklist for PPMC review, Thank you
>> very much for the guidance.
>>
>> Very truly yours
>> Gary
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Gangumalla, Uma <
>> uma.gangumalla@intel.com> wrote:
>>
>>> IMO, Mnemonic project doing good and ready for graduation.
>>> What is the mentors call on this?
>>>
>>> I remember many other projects do Maturity model checklist to check where
>>> we are? Gary/John do you mind ready that sheet, so that will help to
>>> assess better?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Uma
>>>
>>> On 8/16/17, 12:46 PM, "Johnu George" <jo...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> >It seems that we are ready to be a top level project . We have a stable
>>> >release and we work well as a apache community under the guidance of our
>>> >mentors. Any thoughts?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 12:00 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Dear John and Patrick,
>>> >>
>>> >> Thank you for the guidance, we have completed the construction of
>>> >>Mnemonic
>>> >> Website recently according to your feedback, this Apache server hosted
>>> >> website will be kept up to date and maintained by dedicated community
>>> >> members. we also have redirected the visitors from Github to our
>>> Apache
>>> >> server hosted website by providing a forward link in project README.md
>>> >> file. Please review it as follows.
>>> >>
>>> >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/
>>> >>
>>> >> Note: the browser cache may cause unexpected view of this website,
>>> >>please
>>> >> clear browser cache or visit it in incognito mode.
>>> >>
>>> >> Very truly yours.
>>> >> Gary
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 6:04 PM, John D. Ament <johndament@apache.org
>>> >
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> > Hi patrick,
>>> >> >
>>> >> > I recently raised an issue with the website to the team. I
>>> personally
>>> >> > would like to see that fixed before a graduation. Specifically
>>> saying
>>> >> that
>>> >> > you need to learn it from github.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > John
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:15 PM Patrick Hunt <ph...@apache.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> > > Given the recent work to bring on additional RMs (and increase
>>> >> community
>>> >> > > involvement in general) and clearly document release procedures I
>>> >>feel
>>> >> > that
>>> >> > > my previous concerns have been largely addressed. If there is
>>> >>interest
>>> >> in
>>> >> > > the community I would now be in favor, but up to you - do you feel
>>> >> you're
>>> >> > > ready to graduate at this point?
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > Regards,
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > Patrick
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 3:30 PM, Debojyoti Dutta <
>>> ddutta@apache.org>
>>> >> > wrote:
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > >> On the diversity issue, we are trying to solve that with new
>>> >> committers
>>> >> > >> from different organizations. We have had contributions from
>>> other
>>> >> > >> companies like Cisco recently.
>>> >> > >>
>>> >> > >> This space is about to heat up soon and we will see more
>>> >>committers.
>>> >> > >>
>>> >> > >> cheers
>>> >> > >> debo
>>> >> > >>
>>> >> > >> On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Patrick Hunt <ph...@apache.org>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >> > >>
>>> >> > >> > I've mentored a number of podlings over the years and this one
>>> if
>>> >> very
>>> >> > >> well
>>> >> > >> > run and is on a good trajectory. As noted my main concern is
>>> >>about
>>> >> > >> > diversity - in particular "self-sustaining and self-governing
>>> >> > >> communities".
>>> >> > >> > http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#community
>>> >> > >> > That's pretty clear and concise statements from the Apache
>>> >>community
>>> >> > as
>>> >> > >> a
>>> >> > >> > whole as to what it takes. The podling is following "the apache
>>> >>way"
>>> >> > >> quite
>>> >> > >> > well, so it's really the sustaining part for me. Ensuring that
>>> >> > >> community is
>>> >> > >> > being built and the community as a whole is owning the process.
>>> >> > >> >
>>> >> > >> > Hope this helps, regards,
>>> >> > >> >
>>> >> > >> > Patrick
>>> >> > >> >
>>> >> > >> > On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 2:24 PM, Andrew Purtell
>>> >><apurtell@apache.org
>>> >> >
>>> >> > >> > wrote:
>>> >> > >> >
>>> >> > >> > > For me the best test if a podling is ready for graduation is
>>> >>they
>>> >> do
>>> >> > >> it
>>> >> > >> > > (mostly) for themselves. So, Mnemonic, I'd encourage you to
>>> >>search
>>> >> > >> > through
>>> >> > >> > > the incubator mailing list archives for examples of other
>>> >>podlings
>>> >> > >> > running
>>> >> > >> > > a graduation vote and submitting the result to the IPMC.
>>> Then,
>>> >>do
>>> >> > it.
>>> >> > >> > >
>>> >> > >> > > I'm glad to see the recent move to bring in more RMs in
>>> >>response
>>> >> to
>>> >> > >> the
>>> >> > >> > > earlier feedback, now that everyone is aware of it. Sorry, I
>>> >> didn't
>>> >> > >> think
>>> >> > >> > > that the incubator report might not be read back.
>>> >> > >> > >
>>> >> > >> > >
>>> >> > >> > > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 5:42 PM, John D. Ament <
>>> >> > johndament@apache.org>
>>> >> > >> > > wrote:
>>> >> > >> > >
>>> >> > >> > >> Patrick,
>>> >> > >> > >>
>>> >> > >> > >> I read it. I'm curious, did you or Andrew share your
>>> feedback
>>> >> with
>>> >> > >> > >> Mnemonic directly? I've noticed that podlings sometimes
>>> don't
>>> >> see
>>> >> > >> the
>>> >> > >> > >> input, and don't receive responses the way TLPs do.
>>> >> > >> > >>
>>> >> > >> > >> For the podling's information, we do also maintain a whimsy
>>> >>page
>>> >> of
>>> >> > >> all
>>> >> > >> > >> approved board reports per project, Mnemonic can see that
>>> >> > information
>>> >> > >> > >> here:
>>> >> > >> > >> https://whimsy.apache.org/board/minutes/Mnemonic
>>> >> > >> > >>
>>> >> > >> > >> When I see a podling receiving 5 +1's on a dev list release
>>> >>vote,
>>> >> > >> > that's a
>>> >> > >> > >> great sign.
>>> >> > >> > >>
>>> >> > >> > >> There probably is room for more on list discussion, and yes
>>> >>the
>>> >> > >> > committer
>>> >> > >> > >> diversity isn't 100% there (I would be curious to see
>>> company
>>> >> > >> > >> affiliations).
>>> >> > >> > >>
>>> >> > >> > >> I'll also point out that I sometimes ask these questions to
>>> >> > podlings
>>> >> > >> to
>>> >> > >> > >> get
>>> >> > >> > >> them to start thinking about graduation, not actually moving
>>> >> > forward
>>> >> > >> yet
>>> >> > >> > >> due to $reasons.
>>> >> > >> > >>
>>> >> > >> > >> On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 2:58 PM Patrick Hunt <
>>> phunt@apache.org>
>>> >> > >> wrote:
>>> >> > >> > >>
>>> >> > >> > >> > Hi John, did you read my feedback on the most recent
>>> podling
>>> >> > >> report?
>>> >> > >> > Do
>>> >> > >> > >> > you disagree? I don't believe this has changed
>>> >>significantly in
>>> >> > the
>>> >> > >> > past
>>> >> > >> > >> > month/two. For example all releases have been done by a
>>> >>single
>>> >> > >> person.
>>> >> > >> > >> >
>>> >> > >> > >> > https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/March2017
>>> >> > >> > >> >
>>> >> > >> > >> > As I've mentioned previously my only concerns at this
>>> point
>>> >>are
>>> >> > >> around
>>> >> > >> > >> > diversity.
>>> >> > >> > >> >
>>> >> > >> > >> > Patrick
>>> >> > >> > >> >
>>> >> > >> > >> > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 11:07 AM, Gang(Gary) Wang <
>>> >> > garyw@apache.org
>>> >> > >> >
>>> >> > >> > >> wrote:
>>> >> > >> > >> >
>>> >> > >> > >> >> Hi John and PPMCs
>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>> >> > >> > >> >> As John advised, our community and project mnemonic might
>>> >>be
>>> >> > >> ready to
>>> >> > >> > >> get
>>> >> > >> > >> >> graduated, I'd like to start the following votes
>>> according
>>> >>to
>>> >> > the
>>> >> > >> > >> >> processes
>>> >> > >> > >> >> of http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html
>>> with
>>> >> your
>>> >> > >> > >> mentoring
>>> >> > >> > >> >> and guidance if no objection today
>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>> >> > >> > >> >> - Community graduation vote
>>> >> > >> > >> >> - IPMC recommendation vote
>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>> >> > >> > >> >> Mnemonic Project Incubation Status
>>> >> > >> > >> >> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/mnemonic.html
>>> >> > >> > >> >> Very truly yours
>>> >> > >> > >> >> +Gary
>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>> >> > >> > >> >> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 11:26 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <
>>> >> > >> garyw@apache.org>
>>> >> > >> > >> >> wrote:
>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Hi John
>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Thank you for starting this discussion.
>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Yes, our community is growing and continue to attract
>>> >>more
>>> >> > >> people
>>> >> > >> > to
>>> >> > >> > >> >> join
>>> >> > >> > >> >> > our community. Some industry users are aware of
>>> mnemonic
>>> >>and
>>> >> > >> > already
>>> >> > >> > >> get
>>> >> > >> > >> >> > interested as i known.
>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Mnemonic is able to deliver unique values to their
>>> >>business
>>> >> > so I
>>> >> > >> > >> think
>>> >> > >> > >> >> > that it is very important for us to get mnemonic
>>> >>graduated
>>> >> in
>>> >> > >> time
>>> >> > >> > if
>>> >> > >> > >> >> > qualified.
>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>> >> > >> > >> >> > My 2 cents, looks nothing left for us to graduate
>>> >>Mnemonic,
>>> >> > I'm
>>> >> > >> > also
>>> >> > >> > >> >> > looking forward to propose our project as Apache TLP.
>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Thanks!
>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Very truly yours
>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Gary
>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>> >> > >> > >> >> > On Tuesday, May 2, 2017, John D. Ament <
>>> >> johndament@apache.org
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > >> > >> wrote:
>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > Hi Mnemonic PPMC,
>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >
>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > After looking at your recent release, your current
>>> >>growth
>>> >> > and
>>> >> > >> > well
>>> >> > >> > >> >> > functioning PPMC, was wondering what was left for you
>>> >>guys
>>> >> to
>>> >> > >> > >> graduate?
>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >
>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > John
>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >
>>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>>> >> > >> > >> >>
>>> >> > >> > >> >
>>> >> > >> > >> >
>>> >> > >> > >>
>>> >> > >> > >
>>> >> > >> > >
>>> >> > >> > >
>>> >> > >> > > --
>>> >> > >> > > Best regards,
>>> >> > >> > >
>>> >> > >> > > - Andy
>>> >> > >> > >
>>> >> > >> > > If you are given a choice, you believe you have acted
>>> freely. -
>>> >> > >> Raymond
>>> >> > >> > > Teller (via Peter Watts)
>>> >> > >> > >
>>> >> > >> >
>>> >> > >>
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > >
>>> >> >
>>> >>
>>>
>>>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation?
Posted by "John D. Ament" <jo...@apache.org>.
I'm looking at your website. How do I download Mnemonic?
John
On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 4:37 PM Gary Wong <qi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Uma
>
> Yes, We are going to send out this checklist for PPMC review, Thank you
> very much for the guidance.
>
> Very truly yours
> Gary
>
> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Gangumalla, Uma <uma.gangumalla@intel.com
> > wrote:
>
>> IMO, Mnemonic project doing good and ready for graduation.
>> What is the mentors call on this?
>>
>> I remember many other projects do Maturity model checklist to check where
>> we are? Gary/John do you mind ready that sheet, so that will help to
>> assess better?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Uma
>>
>> On 8/16/17, 12:46 PM, "Johnu George" <jo...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>> >It seems that we are ready to be a top level project . We have a stable
>> >release and we work well as a apache community under the guidance of our
>> >mentors. Any thoughts?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 12:00 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Dear John and Patrick,
>> >>
>> >> Thank you for the guidance, we have completed the construction of
>> >>Mnemonic
>> >> Website recently according to your feedback, this Apache server hosted
>> >> website will be kept up to date and maintained by dedicated community
>> >> members. we also have redirected the visitors from Github to our
>> Apache
>> >> server hosted website by providing a forward link in project README.md
>> >> file. Please review it as follows.
>> >>
>> >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/
>> >>
>> >> Note: the browser cache may cause unexpected view of this website,
>> >>please
>> >> clear browser cache or visit it in incognito mode.
>> >>
>> >> Very truly yours.
>> >> Gary
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 6:04 PM, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Hi patrick,
>> >> >
>> >> > I recently raised an issue with the website to the team. I
>> personally
>> >> > would like to see that fixed before a graduation. Specifically
>> saying
>> >> that
>> >> > you need to learn it from github.
>> >> >
>> >> > John
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:15 PM Patrick Hunt <ph...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > > Given the recent work to bring on additional RMs (and increase
>> >> community
>> >> > > involvement in general) and clearly document release procedures I
>> >>feel
>> >> > that
>> >> > > my previous concerns have been largely addressed. If there is
>> >>interest
>> >> in
>> >> > > the community I would now be in favor, but up to you - do you feel
>> >> you're
>> >> > > ready to graduate at this point?
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Regards,
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Patrick
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 3:30 PM, Debojyoti Dutta <ddutta@apache.org
>> >
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > >> On the diversity issue, we are trying to solve that with new
>> >> committers
>> >> > >> from different organizations. We have had contributions from other
>> >> > >> companies like Cisco recently.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> This space is about to heat up soon and we will see more
>> >>committers.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> cheers
>> >> > >> debo
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Patrick Hunt <ph...@apache.org>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> > I've mentored a number of podlings over the years and this one
>> if
>> >> very
>> >> > >> well
>> >> > >> > run and is on a good trajectory. As noted my main concern is
>> >>about
>> >> > >> > diversity - in particular "self-sustaining and self-governing
>> >> > >> communities".
>> >> > >> > http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#community
>> >> > >> > That's pretty clear and concise statements from the Apache
>> >>community
>> >> > as
>> >> > >> a
>> >> > >> > whole as to what it takes. The podling is following "the apache
>> >>way"
>> >> > >> quite
>> >> > >> > well, so it's really the sustaining part for me. Ensuring that
>> >> > >> community is
>> >> > >> > being built and the community as a whole is owning the process.
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > Hope this helps, regards,
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > Patrick
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 2:24 PM, Andrew Purtell
>> >><apurtell@apache.org
>> >> >
>> >> > >> > wrote:
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > > For me the best test if a podling is ready for graduation is
>> >>they
>> >> do
>> >> > >> it
>> >> > >> > > (mostly) for themselves. So, Mnemonic, I'd encourage you to
>> >>search
>> >> > >> > through
>> >> > >> > > the incubator mailing list archives for examples of other
>> >>podlings
>> >> > >> > running
>> >> > >> > > a graduation vote and submitting the result to the IPMC. Then,
>> >>do
>> >> > it.
>> >> > >> > >
>> >> > >> > > I'm glad to see the recent move to bring in more RMs in
>> >>response
>> >> to
>> >> > >> the
>> >> > >> > > earlier feedback, now that everyone is aware of it. Sorry, I
>> >> didn't
>> >> > >> think
>> >> > >> > > that the incubator report might not be read back.
>> >> > >> > >
>> >> > >> > >
>> >> > >> > > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 5:42 PM, John D. Ament <
>> >> > johndament@apache.org>
>> >> > >> > > wrote:
>> >> > >> > >
>> >> > >> > >> Patrick,
>> >> > >> > >>
>> >> > >> > >> I read it. I'm curious, did you or Andrew share your
>> feedback
>> >> with
>> >> > >> > >> Mnemonic directly? I've noticed that podlings sometimes
>> don't
>> >> see
>> >> > >> the
>> >> > >> > >> input, and don't receive responses the way TLPs do.
>> >> > >> > >>
>> >> > >> > >> For the podling's information, we do also maintain a whimsy
>> >>page
>> >> of
>> >> > >> all
>> >> > >> > >> approved board reports per project, Mnemonic can see that
>> >> > information
>> >> > >> > >> here:
>> >> > >> > >> https://whimsy.apache.org/board/minutes/Mnemonic
>> >> > >> > >>
>> >> > >> > >> When I see a podling receiving 5 +1's on a dev list release
>> >>vote,
>> >> > >> > that's a
>> >> > >> > >> great sign.
>> >> > >> > >>
>> >> > >> > >> There probably is room for more on list discussion, and yes
>> >>the
>> >> > >> > committer
>> >> > >> > >> diversity isn't 100% there (I would be curious to see company
>> >> > >> > >> affiliations).
>> >> > >> > >>
>> >> > >> > >> I'll also point out that I sometimes ask these questions to
>> >> > podlings
>> >> > >> to
>> >> > >> > >> get
>> >> > >> > >> them to start thinking about graduation, not actually moving
>> >> > forward
>> >> > >> yet
>> >> > >> > >> due to $reasons.
>> >> > >> > >>
>> >> > >> > >> On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 2:58 PM Patrick Hunt <
>> phunt@apache.org>
>> >> > >> wrote:
>> >> > >> > >>
>> >> > >> > >> > Hi John, did you read my feedback on the most recent
>> podling
>> >> > >> report?
>> >> > >> > Do
>> >> > >> > >> > you disagree? I don't believe this has changed
>> >>significantly in
>> >> > the
>> >> > >> > past
>> >> > >> > >> > month/two. For example all releases have been done by a
>> >>single
>> >> > >> person.
>> >> > >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > >> > https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/March2017
>> >> > >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > >> > As I've mentioned previously my only concerns at this point
>> >>are
>> >> > >> around
>> >> > >> > >> > diversity.
>> >> > >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > >> > Patrick
>> >> > >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > >> > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 11:07 AM, Gang(Gary) Wang <
>> >> > garyw@apache.org
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > >> wrote:
>> >> > >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > >> >> Hi John and PPMCs
>> >> > >> > >> >>
>> >> > >> > >> >> As John advised, our community and project mnemonic might
>> >>be
>> >> > >> ready to
>> >> > >> > >> get
>> >> > >> > >> >> graduated, I'd like to start the following votes according
>> >>to
>> >> > the
>> >> > >> > >> >> processes
>> >> > >> > >> >> of http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html
>> with
>> >> your
>> >> > >> > >> mentoring
>> >> > >> > >> >> and guidance if no objection today
>> >> > >> > >> >>
>> >> > >> > >> >> - Community graduation vote
>> >> > >> > >> >> - IPMC recommendation vote
>> >> > >> > >> >>
>> >> > >> > >> >> Mnemonic Project Incubation Status
>> >> > >> > >> >> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/mnemonic.html
>> >> > >> > >> >> Very truly yours
>> >> > >> > >> >> +Gary
>> >> > >> > >> >>
>> >> > >> > >> >>
>> >> > >> > >> >> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 11:26 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <
>> >> > >> garyw@apache.org>
>> >> > >> > >> >> wrote:
>> >> > >> > >> >>
>> >> > >> > >> >> > Hi John
>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>> >> > >> > >> >> > Thank you for starting this discussion.
>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>> >> > >> > >> >> > Yes, our community is growing and continue to attract
>> >>more
>> >> > >> people
>> >> > >> > to
>> >> > >> > >> >> join
>> >> > >> > >> >> > our community. Some industry users are aware of mnemonic
>> >>and
>> >> > >> > already
>> >> > >> > >> get
>> >> > >> > >> >> > interested as i known.
>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>> >> > >> > >> >> > Mnemonic is able to deliver unique values to their
>> >>business
>> >> > so I
>> >> > >> > >> think
>> >> > >> > >> >> > that it is very important for us to get mnemonic
>> >>graduated
>> >> in
>> >> > >> time
>> >> > >> > if
>> >> > >> > >> >> > qualified.
>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>> >> > >> > >> >> > My 2 cents, looks nothing left for us to graduate
>> >>Mnemonic,
>> >> > I'm
>> >> > >> > also
>> >> > >> > >> >> > looking forward to propose our project as Apache TLP.
>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>> >> > >> > >> >> > Thanks!
>> >> > >> > >> >> > Very truly yours
>> >> > >> > >> >> > Gary
>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>> >> > >> > >> >> > On Tuesday, May 2, 2017, John D. Ament <
>> >> johndament@apache.org
>> >> > >
>> >> > >> > >> wrote:
>> >> > >> > >> >> > > Hi Mnemonic PPMC,
>> >> > >> > >> >> > >
>> >> > >> > >> >> > > After looking at your recent release, your current
>> >>growth
>> >> > and
>> >> > >> > well
>> >> > >> > >> >> > functioning PPMC, was wondering what was left for you
>> >>guys
>> >> to
>> >> > >> > >> graduate?
>> >> > >> > >> >> > >
>> >> > >> > >> >> > > John
>> >> > >> > >> >> > >
>> >> > >> > >> >> >
>> >> > >> > >> >>
>> >> > >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > >>
>> >> > >> > >
>> >> > >> > >
>> >> > >> > >
>> >> > >> > > --
>> >> > >> > > Best regards,
>> >> > >> > >
>> >> > >> > > - Andy
>> >> > >> > >
>> >> > >> > > If you are given a choice, you believe you have acted freely.
>> -
>> >> > >> Raymond
>> >> > >> > > Teller (via Peter Watts)
>> >> > >> > >
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> >
>> >>
>>
>>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation?
Posted by Gary Wong <qi...@gmail.com>.
Hi Uma
Yes, We are going to send out this checklist for PPMC review, Thank you
very much for the guidance.
Very truly yours
Gary
On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Gangumalla, Uma <um...@intel.com>
wrote:
> IMO, Mnemonic project doing good and ready for graduation.
> What is the mentors call on this?
>
> I remember many other projects do Maturity model checklist to check where
> we are? Gary/John do you mind ready that sheet, so that will help to
> assess better?
>
> Regards,
> Uma
>
> On 8/16/17, 12:46 PM, "Johnu George" <jo...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> >It seems that we are ready to be a top level project . We have a stable
> >release and we work well as a apache community under the guidance of our
> >mentors. Any thoughts?
> >
> >
> >
> >On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 12:00 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Dear John and Patrick,
> >>
> >> Thank you for the guidance, we have completed the construction of
> >>Mnemonic
> >> Website recently according to your feedback, this Apache server hosted
> >> website will be kept up to date and maintained by dedicated community
> >> members. we also have redirected the visitors from Github to our Apache
> >> server hosted website by providing a forward link in project README.md
> >> file. Please review it as follows.
> >>
> >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/
> >>
> >> Note: the browser cache may cause unexpected view of this website,
> >>please
> >> clear browser cache or visit it in incognito mode.
> >>
> >> Very truly yours.
> >> Gary
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 6:04 PM, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Hi patrick,
> >> >
> >> > I recently raised an issue with the website to the team. I personally
> >> > would like to see that fixed before a graduation. Specifically saying
> >> that
> >> > you need to learn it from github.
> >> >
> >> > John
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:15 PM Patrick Hunt <ph...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Given the recent work to bring on additional RMs (and increase
> >> community
> >> > > involvement in general) and clearly document release procedures I
> >>feel
> >> > that
> >> > > my previous concerns have been largely addressed. If there is
> >>interest
> >> in
> >> > > the community I would now be in favor, but up to you - do you feel
> >> you're
> >> > > ready to graduate at this point?
> >> > >
> >> > > Regards,
> >> > >
> >> > > Patrick
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 3:30 PM, Debojyoti Dutta <dd...@apache.org>
> >> > wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >> On the diversity issue, we are trying to solve that with new
> >> committers
> >> > >> from different organizations. We have had contributions from other
> >> > >> companies like Cisco recently.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> This space is about to heat up soon and we will see more
> >>committers.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> cheers
> >> > >> debo
> >> > >>
> >> > >> On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Patrick Hunt <ph...@apache.org>
> >> wrote:
> >> > >>
> >> > >> > I've mentored a number of podlings over the years and this one if
> >> very
> >> > >> well
> >> > >> > run and is on a good trajectory. As noted my main concern is
> >>about
> >> > >> > diversity - in particular "self-sustaining and self-governing
> >> > >> communities".
> >> > >> > http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#community
> >> > >> > That's pretty clear and concise statements from the Apache
> >>community
> >> > as
> >> > >> a
> >> > >> > whole as to what it takes. The podling is following "the apache
> >>way"
> >> > >> quite
> >> > >> > well, so it's really the sustaining part for me. Ensuring that
> >> > >> community is
> >> > >> > being built and the community as a whole is owning the process.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > Hope this helps, regards,
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > Patrick
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 2:24 PM, Andrew Purtell
> >><apurtell@apache.org
> >> >
> >> > >> > wrote:
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > > For me the best test if a podling is ready for graduation is
> >>they
> >> do
> >> > >> it
> >> > >> > > (mostly) for themselves. So, Mnemonic, I'd encourage you to
> >>search
> >> > >> > through
> >> > >> > > the incubator mailing list archives for examples of other
> >>podlings
> >> > >> > running
> >> > >> > > a graduation vote and submitting the result to the IPMC. Then,
> >>do
> >> > it.
> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> > > I'm glad to see the recent move to bring in more RMs in
> >>response
> >> to
> >> > >> the
> >> > >> > > earlier feedback, now that everyone is aware of it. Sorry, I
> >> didn't
> >> > >> think
> >> > >> > > that the incubator report might not be read back.
> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> > > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 5:42 PM, John D. Ament <
> >> > johndament@apache.org>
> >> > >> > > wrote:
> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> > >> Patrick,
> >> > >> > >>
> >> > >> > >> I read it. I'm curious, did you or Andrew share your feedback
> >> with
> >> > >> > >> Mnemonic directly? I've noticed that podlings sometimes don't
> >> see
> >> > >> the
> >> > >> > >> input, and don't receive responses the way TLPs do.
> >> > >> > >>
> >> > >> > >> For the podling's information, we do also maintain a whimsy
> >>page
> >> of
> >> > >> all
> >> > >> > >> approved board reports per project, Mnemonic can see that
> >> > information
> >> > >> > >> here:
> >> > >> > >> https://whimsy.apache.org/board/minutes/Mnemonic
> >> > >> > >>
> >> > >> > >> When I see a podling receiving 5 +1's on a dev list release
> >>vote,
> >> > >> > that's a
> >> > >> > >> great sign.
> >> > >> > >>
> >> > >> > >> There probably is room for more on list discussion, and yes
> >>the
> >> > >> > committer
> >> > >> > >> diversity isn't 100% there (I would be curious to see company
> >> > >> > >> affiliations).
> >> > >> > >>
> >> > >> > >> I'll also point out that I sometimes ask these questions to
> >> > podlings
> >> > >> to
> >> > >> > >> get
> >> > >> > >> them to start thinking about graduation, not actually moving
> >> > forward
> >> > >> yet
> >> > >> > >> due to $reasons.
> >> > >> > >>
> >> > >> > >> On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 2:58 PM Patrick Hunt <phunt@apache.org
> >
> >> > >> wrote:
> >> > >> > >>
> >> > >> > >> > Hi John, did you read my feedback on the most recent podling
> >> > >> report?
> >> > >> > Do
> >> > >> > >> > you disagree? I don't believe this has changed
> >>significantly in
> >> > the
> >> > >> > past
> >> > >> > >> > month/two. For example all releases have been done by a
> >>single
> >> > >> person.
> >> > >> > >> >
> >> > >> > >> > https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/March2017
> >> > >> > >> >
> >> > >> > >> > As I've mentioned previously my only concerns at this point
> >>are
> >> > >> around
> >> > >> > >> > diversity.
> >> > >> > >> >
> >> > >> > >> > Patrick
> >> > >> > >> >
> >> > >> > >> > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 11:07 AM, Gang(Gary) Wang <
> >> > garyw@apache.org
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > >> wrote:
> >> > >> > >> >
> >> > >> > >> >> Hi John and PPMCs
> >> > >> > >> >>
> >> > >> > >> >> As John advised, our community and project mnemonic might
> >>be
> >> > >> ready to
> >> > >> > >> get
> >> > >> > >> >> graduated, I'd like to start the following votes according
> >>to
> >> > the
> >> > >> > >> >> processes
> >> > >> > >> >> of http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html with
> >> your
> >> > >> > >> mentoring
> >> > >> > >> >> and guidance if no objection today
> >> > >> > >> >>
> >> > >> > >> >> - Community graduation vote
> >> > >> > >> >> - IPMC recommendation vote
> >> > >> > >> >>
> >> > >> > >> >> Mnemonic Project Incubation Status
> >> > >> > >> >> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/mnemonic.html
> >> > >> > >> >> Very truly yours
> >> > >> > >> >> +Gary
> >> > >> > >> >>
> >> > >> > >> >>
> >> > >> > >> >> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 11:26 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <
> >> > >> garyw@apache.org>
> >> > >> > >> >> wrote:
> >> > >> > >> >>
> >> > >> > >> >> > Hi John
> >> > >> > >> >> >
> >> > >> > >> >> > Thank you for starting this discussion.
> >> > >> > >> >> >
> >> > >> > >> >> > Yes, our community is growing and continue to attract
> >>more
> >> > >> people
> >> > >> > to
> >> > >> > >> >> join
> >> > >> > >> >> > our community. Some industry users are aware of mnemonic
> >>and
> >> > >> > already
> >> > >> > >> get
> >> > >> > >> >> > interested as i known.
> >> > >> > >> >> >
> >> > >> > >> >> > Mnemonic is able to deliver unique values to their
> >>business
> >> > so I
> >> > >> > >> think
> >> > >> > >> >> > that it is very important for us to get mnemonic
> >>graduated
> >> in
> >> > >> time
> >> > >> > if
> >> > >> > >> >> > qualified.
> >> > >> > >> >> >
> >> > >> > >> >> > My 2 cents, looks nothing left for us to graduate
> >>Mnemonic,
> >> > I'm
> >> > >> > also
> >> > >> > >> >> > looking forward to propose our project as Apache TLP.
> >> > >> > >> >> >
> >> > >> > >> >> > Thanks!
> >> > >> > >> >> > Very truly yours
> >> > >> > >> >> > Gary
> >> > >> > >> >> >
> >> > >> > >> >> >
> >> > >> > >> >> >
> >> > >> > >> >> > On Tuesday, May 2, 2017, John D. Ament <
> >> johndament@apache.org
> >> > >
> >> > >> > >> wrote:
> >> > >> > >> >> > > Hi Mnemonic PPMC,
> >> > >> > >> >> > >
> >> > >> > >> >> > > After looking at your recent release, your current
> >>growth
> >> > and
> >> > >> > well
> >> > >> > >> >> > functioning PPMC, was wondering what was left for you
> >>guys
> >> to
> >> > >> > >> graduate?
> >> > >> > >> >> > >
> >> > >> > >> >> > > John
> >> > >> > >> >> > >
> >> > >> > >> >> >
> >> > >> > >> >>
> >> > >> > >> >
> >> > >> > >> >
> >> > >> > >>
> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> > > --
> >> > >> > > Best regards,
> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> > > - Andy
> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> > > If you are given a choice, you believe you have acted freely. -
> >> > >> Raymond
> >> > >> > > Teller (via Peter Watts)
> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> >
> >> > >>
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
>
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation?
Posted by "Gangumalla, Uma" <um...@intel.com>.
IMO, Mnemonic project doing good and ready for graduation.
What is the mentors call on this?
I remember many other projects do Maturity model checklist to check where
we are? Gary/John do you mind ready that sheet, so that will help to
assess better?
Regards,
Uma
On 8/16/17, 12:46 PM, "Johnu George" <jo...@apache.org> wrote:
>It seems that we are ready to be a top level project . We have a stable
>release and we work well as a apache community under the guidance of our
>mentors. Any thoughts?
>
>
>
>On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 12:00 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> Dear John and Patrick,
>>
>> Thank you for the guidance, we have completed the construction of
>>Mnemonic
>> Website recently according to your feedback, this Apache server hosted
>> website will be kept up to date and maintained by dedicated community
>> members. we also have redirected the visitors from Github to our Apache
>> server hosted website by providing a forward link in project README.md
>> file. Please review it as follows.
>>
>> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/
>>
>> Note: the browser cache may cause unexpected view of this website,
>>please
>> clear browser cache or visit it in incognito mode.
>>
>> Very truly yours.
>> Gary
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 6:04 PM, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Hi patrick,
>> >
>> > I recently raised an issue with the website to the team. I personally
>> > would like to see that fixed before a graduation. Specifically saying
>> that
>> > you need to learn it from github.
>> >
>> > John
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:15 PM Patrick Hunt <ph...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Given the recent work to bring on additional RMs (and increase
>> community
>> > > involvement in general) and clearly document release procedures I
>>feel
>> > that
>> > > my previous concerns have been largely addressed. If there is
>>interest
>> in
>> > > the community I would now be in favor, but up to you - do you feel
>> you're
>> > > ready to graduate at this point?
>> > >
>> > > Regards,
>> > >
>> > > Patrick
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 3:30 PM, Debojyoti Dutta <dd...@apache.org>
>> > wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> On the diversity issue, we are trying to solve that with new
>> committers
>> > >> from different organizations. We have had contributions from other
>> > >> companies like Cisco recently.
>> > >>
>> > >> This space is about to heat up soon and we will see more
>>committers.
>> > >>
>> > >> cheers
>> > >> debo
>> > >>
>> > >> On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Patrick Hunt <ph...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> > I've mentored a number of podlings over the years and this one if
>> very
>> > >> well
>> > >> > run and is on a good trajectory. As noted my main concern is
>>about
>> > >> > diversity - in particular "self-sustaining and self-governing
>> > >> communities".
>> > >> > http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#community
>> > >> > That's pretty clear and concise statements from the Apache
>>community
>> > as
>> > >> a
>> > >> > whole as to what it takes. The podling is following "the apache
>>way"
>> > >> quite
>> > >> > well, so it's really the sustaining part for me. Ensuring that
>> > >> community is
>> > >> > being built and the community as a whole is owning the process.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Hope this helps, regards,
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Patrick
>> > >> >
>> > >> > On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 2:24 PM, Andrew Purtell
>><apurtell@apache.org
>> >
>> > >> > wrote:
>> > >> >
>> > >> > > For me the best test if a podling is ready for graduation is
>>they
>> do
>> > >> it
>> > >> > > (mostly) for themselves. So, Mnemonic, I'd encourage you to
>>search
>> > >> > through
>> > >> > > the incubator mailing list archives for examples of other
>>podlings
>> > >> > running
>> > >> > > a graduation vote and submitting the result to the IPMC. Then,
>>do
>> > it.
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > I'm glad to see the recent move to bring in more RMs in
>>response
>> to
>> > >> the
>> > >> > > earlier feedback, now that everyone is aware of it. Sorry, I
>> didn't
>> > >> think
>> > >> > > that the incubator report might not be read back.
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 5:42 PM, John D. Ament <
>> > johndament@apache.org>
>> > >> > > wrote:
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > >> Patrick,
>> > >> > >>
>> > >> > >> I read it. I'm curious, did you or Andrew share your feedback
>> with
>> > >> > >> Mnemonic directly? I've noticed that podlings sometimes don't
>> see
>> > >> the
>> > >> > >> input, and don't receive responses the way TLPs do.
>> > >> > >>
>> > >> > >> For the podling's information, we do also maintain a whimsy
>>page
>> of
>> > >> all
>> > >> > >> approved board reports per project, Mnemonic can see that
>> > information
>> > >> > >> here:
>> > >> > >> https://whimsy.apache.org/board/minutes/Mnemonic
>> > >> > >>
>> > >> > >> When I see a podling receiving 5 +1's on a dev list release
>>vote,
>> > >> > that's a
>> > >> > >> great sign.
>> > >> > >>
>> > >> > >> There probably is room for more on list discussion, and yes
>>the
>> > >> > committer
>> > >> > >> diversity isn't 100% there (I would be curious to see company
>> > >> > >> affiliations).
>> > >> > >>
>> > >> > >> I'll also point out that I sometimes ask these questions to
>> > podlings
>> > >> to
>> > >> > >> get
>> > >> > >> them to start thinking about graduation, not actually moving
>> > forward
>> > >> yet
>> > >> > >> due to $reasons.
>> > >> > >>
>> > >> > >> On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 2:58 PM Patrick Hunt <ph...@apache.org>
>> > >> wrote:
>> > >> > >>
>> > >> > >> > Hi John, did you read my feedback on the most recent podling
>> > >> report?
>> > >> > Do
>> > >> > >> > you disagree? I don't believe this has changed
>>significantly in
>> > the
>> > >> > past
>> > >> > >> > month/two. For example all releases have been done by a
>>single
>> > >> person.
>> > >> > >> >
>> > >> > >> > https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/March2017
>> > >> > >> >
>> > >> > >> > As I've mentioned previously my only concerns at this point
>>are
>> > >> around
>> > >> > >> > diversity.
>> > >> > >> >
>> > >> > >> > Patrick
>> > >> > >> >
>> > >> > >> > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 11:07 AM, Gang(Gary) Wang <
>> > garyw@apache.org
>> > >> >
>> > >> > >> wrote:
>> > >> > >> >
>> > >> > >> >> Hi John and PPMCs
>> > >> > >> >>
>> > >> > >> >> As John advised, our community and project mnemonic might
>>be
>> > >> ready to
>> > >> > >> get
>> > >> > >> >> graduated, I'd like to start the following votes according
>>to
>> > the
>> > >> > >> >> processes
>> > >> > >> >> of http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html with
>> your
>> > >> > >> mentoring
>> > >> > >> >> and guidance if no objection today
>> > >> > >> >>
>> > >> > >> >> - Community graduation vote
>> > >> > >> >> - IPMC recommendation vote
>> > >> > >> >>
>> > >> > >> >> Mnemonic Project Incubation Status
>> > >> > >> >> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/mnemonic.html
>> > >> > >> >> Very truly yours
>> > >> > >> >> +Gary
>> > >> > >> >>
>> > >> > >> >>
>> > >> > >> >> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 11:26 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <
>> > >> garyw@apache.org>
>> > >> > >> >> wrote:
>> > >> > >> >>
>> > >> > >> >> > Hi John
>> > >> > >> >> >
>> > >> > >> >> > Thank you for starting this discussion.
>> > >> > >> >> >
>> > >> > >> >> > Yes, our community is growing and continue to attract
>>more
>> > >> people
>> > >> > to
>> > >> > >> >> join
>> > >> > >> >> > our community. Some industry users are aware of mnemonic
>>and
>> > >> > already
>> > >> > >> get
>> > >> > >> >> > interested as i known.
>> > >> > >> >> >
>> > >> > >> >> > Mnemonic is able to deliver unique values to their
>>business
>> > so I
>> > >> > >> think
>> > >> > >> >> > that it is very important for us to get mnemonic
>>graduated
>> in
>> > >> time
>> > >> > if
>> > >> > >> >> > qualified.
>> > >> > >> >> >
>> > >> > >> >> > My 2 cents, looks nothing left for us to graduate
>>Mnemonic,
>> > I'm
>> > >> > also
>> > >> > >> >> > looking forward to propose our project as Apache TLP.
>> > >> > >> >> >
>> > >> > >> >> > Thanks!
>> > >> > >> >> > Very truly yours
>> > >> > >> >> > Gary
>> > >> > >> >> >
>> > >> > >> >> >
>> > >> > >> >> >
>> > >> > >> >> > On Tuesday, May 2, 2017, John D. Ament <
>> johndament@apache.org
>> > >
>> > >> > >> wrote:
>> > >> > >> >> > > Hi Mnemonic PPMC,
>> > >> > >> >> > >
>> > >> > >> >> > > After looking at your recent release, your current
>>growth
>> > and
>> > >> > well
>> > >> > >> >> > functioning PPMC, was wondering what was left for you
>>guys
>> to
>> > >> > >> graduate?
>> > >> > >> >> > >
>> > >> > >> >> > > John
>> > >> > >> >> > >
>> > >> > >> >> >
>> > >> > >> >>
>> > >> > >> >
>> > >> > >> >
>> > >> > >>
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > --
>> > >> > > Best regards,
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > - Andy
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > If you are given a choice, you believe you have acted freely. -
>> > >> Raymond
>> > >> > > Teller (via Peter Watts)
>> > >> > >
>> > >> >
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation?
Posted by Johnu George <jo...@apache.org>.
It seems that we are ready to be a top level project . We have a stable
release and we work well as a apache community under the guidance of our
mentors. Any thoughts?
On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 12:00 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org> wrote:
> Dear John and Patrick,
>
> Thank you for the guidance, we have completed the construction of Mnemonic
> Website recently according to your feedback, this Apache server hosted
> website will be kept up to date and maintained by dedicated community
> members. we also have redirected the visitors from Github to our Apache
> server hosted website by providing a forward link in project README.md
> file. Please review it as follows.
>
> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/
>
> Note: the browser cache may cause unexpected view of this website, please
> clear browser cache or visit it in incognito mode.
>
> Very truly yours.
> Gary
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 6:04 PM, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi patrick,
> >
> > I recently raised an issue with the website to the team. I personally
> > would like to see that fixed before a graduation. Specifically saying
> that
> > you need to learn it from github.
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:15 PM Patrick Hunt <ph...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Given the recent work to bring on additional RMs (and increase
> community
> > > involvement in general) and clearly document release procedures I feel
> > that
> > > my previous concerns have been largely addressed. If there is interest
> in
> > > the community I would now be in favor, but up to you - do you feel
> you're
> > > ready to graduate at this point?
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Patrick
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 3:30 PM, Debojyoti Dutta <dd...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >> On the diversity issue, we are trying to solve that with new
> committers
> > >> from different organizations. We have had contributions from other
> > >> companies like Cisco recently.
> > >>
> > >> This space is about to heat up soon and we will see more committers.
> > >>
> > >> cheers
> > >> debo
> > >>
> > >> On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Patrick Hunt <ph...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > I've mentored a number of podlings over the years and this one if
> very
> > >> well
> > >> > run and is on a good trajectory. As noted my main concern is about
> > >> > diversity - in particular "self-sustaining and self-governing
> > >> communities".
> > >> > http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#community
> > >> > That's pretty clear and concise statements from the Apache community
> > as
> > >> a
> > >> > whole as to what it takes. The podling is following "the apache way"
> > >> quite
> > >> > well, so it's really the sustaining part for me. Ensuring that
> > >> community is
> > >> > being built and the community as a whole is owning the process.
> > >> >
> > >> > Hope this helps, regards,
> > >> >
> > >> > Patrick
> > >> >
> > >> > On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 2:24 PM, Andrew Purtell <apurtell@apache.org
> >
> > >> > wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > > For me the best test if a podling is ready for graduation is they
> do
> > >> it
> > >> > > (mostly) for themselves. So, Mnemonic, I'd encourage you to search
> > >> > through
> > >> > > the incubator mailing list archives for examples of other podlings
> > >> > running
> > >> > > a graduation vote and submitting the result to the IPMC. Then, do
> > it.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > I'm glad to see the recent move to bring in more RMs in response
> to
> > >> the
> > >> > > earlier feedback, now that everyone is aware of it. Sorry, I
> didn't
> > >> think
> > >> > > that the incubator report might not be read back.
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 5:42 PM, John D. Ament <
> > johndament@apache.org>
> > >> > > wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > >> Patrick,
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> I read it. I'm curious, did you or Andrew share your feedback
> with
> > >> > >> Mnemonic directly? I've noticed that podlings sometimes don't
> see
> > >> the
> > >> > >> input, and don't receive responses the way TLPs do.
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> For the podling's information, we do also maintain a whimsy page
> of
> > >> all
> > >> > >> approved board reports per project, Mnemonic can see that
> > information
> > >> > >> here:
> > >> > >> https://whimsy.apache.org/board/minutes/Mnemonic
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> When I see a podling receiving 5 +1's on a dev list release vote,
> > >> > that's a
> > >> > >> great sign.
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> There probably is room for more on list discussion, and yes the
> > >> > committer
> > >> > >> diversity isn't 100% there (I would be curious to see company
> > >> > >> affiliations).
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> I'll also point out that I sometimes ask these questions to
> > podlings
> > >> to
> > >> > >> get
> > >> > >> them to start thinking about graduation, not actually moving
> > forward
> > >> yet
> > >> > >> due to $reasons.
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 2:58 PM Patrick Hunt <ph...@apache.org>
> > >> wrote:
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> > Hi John, did you read my feedback on the most recent podling
> > >> report?
> > >> > Do
> > >> > >> > you disagree? I don't believe this has changed significantly in
> > the
> > >> > past
> > >> > >> > month/two. For example all releases have been done by a single
> > >> person.
> > >> > >> >
> > >> > >> > https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/March2017
> > >> > >> >
> > >> > >> > As I've mentioned previously my only concerns at this point are
> > >> around
> > >> > >> > diversity.
> > >> > >> >
> > >> > >> > Patrick
> > >> > >> >
> > >> > >> > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 11:07 AM, Gang(Gary) Wang <
> > garyw@apache.org
> > >> >
> > >> > >> wrote:
> > >> > >> >
> > >> > >> >> Hi John and PPMCs
> > >> > >> >>
> > >> > >> >> As John advised, our community and project mnemonic might be
> > >> ready to
> > >> > >> get
> > >> > >> >> graduated, I'd like to start the following votes according to
> > the
> > >> > >> >> processes
> > >> > >> >> of http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html with
> your
> > >> > >> mentoring
> > >> > >> >> and guidance if no objection today
> > >> > >> >>
> > >> > >> >> - Community graduation vote
> > >> > >> >> - IPMC recommendation vote
> > >> > >> >>
> > >> > >> >> Mnemonic Project Incubation Status
> > >> > >> >> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/mnemonic.html
> > >> > >> >> Very truly yours
> > >> > >> >> +Gary
> > >> > >> >>
> > >> > >> >>
> > >> > >> >> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 11:26 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <
> > >> garyw@apache.org>
> > >> > >> >> wrote:
> > >> > >> >>
> > >> > >> >> > Hi John
> > >> > >> >> >
> > >> > >> >> > Thank you for starting this discussion.
> > >> > >> >> >
> > >> > >> >> > Yes, our community is growing and continue to attract more
> > >> people
> > >> > to
> > >> > >> >> join
> > >> > >> >> > our community. Some industry users are aware of mnemonic and
> > >> > already
> > >> > >> get
> > >> > >> >> > interested as i known.
> > >> > >> >> >
> > >> > >> >> > Mnemonic is able to deliver unique values to their business
> > so I
> > >> > >> think
> > >> > >> >> > that it is very important for us to get mnemonic graduated
> in
> > >> time
> > >> > if
> > >> > >> >> > qualified.
> > >> > >> >> >
> > >> > >> >> > My 2 cents, looks nothing left for us to graduate Mnemonic,
> > I'm
> > >> > also
> > >> > >> >> > looking forward to propose our project as Apache TLP.
> > >> > >> >> >
> > >> > >> >> > Thanks!
> > >> > >> >> > Very truly yours
> > >> > >> >> > Gary
> > >> > >> >> >
> > >> > >> >> >
> > >> > >> >> >
> > >> > >> >> > On Tuesday, May 2, 2017, John D. Ament <
> johndament@apache.org
> > >
> > >> > >> wrote:
> > >> > >> >> > > Hi Mnemonic PPMC,
> > >> > >> >> > >
> > >> > >> >> > > After looking at your recent release, your current growth
> > and
> > >> > well
> > >> > >> >> > functioning PPMC, was wondering what was left for you guys
> to
> > >> > >> graduate?
> > >> > >> >> > >
> > >> > >> >> > > John
> > >> > >> >> > >
> > >> > >> >> >
> > >> > >> >>
> > >> > >> >
> > >> > >> >
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > --
> > >> > > Best regards,
> > >> > >
> > >> > > - Andy
> > >> > >
> > >> > > If you are given a choice, you believe you have acted freely. -
> > >> Raymond
> > >> > > Teller (via Peter Watts)
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation?
Posted by "Gang(Gary) Wang" <ga...@apache.org>.
Dear John and Patrick,
Thank you for the guidance, we have completed the construction of Mnemonic
Website recently according to your feedback, this Apache server hosted
website will be kept up to date and maintained by dedicated community
members. we also have redirected the visitors from Github to our Apache
server hosted website by providing a forward link in project README.md
file. Please review it as follows.
http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/
Note: the browser cache may cause unexpected view of this website, please
clear browser cache or visit it in incognito mode.
Very truly yours.
Gary
On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 6:04 PM, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
wrote:
> Hi patrick,
>
> I recently raised an issue with the website to the team. I personally
> would like to see that fixed before a graduation. Specifically saying that
> you need to learn it from github.
>
> John
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:15 PM Patrick Hunt <ph...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > Given the recent work to bring on additional RMs (and increase community
> > involvement in general) and clearly document release procedures I feel
> that
> > my previous concerns have been largely addressed. If there is interest in
> > the community I would now be in favor, but up to you - do you feel you're
> > ready to graduate at this point?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Patrick
> >
> >
> > On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 3:30 PM, Debojyoti Dutta <dd...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >
> >> On the diversity issue, we are trying to solve that with new committers
> >> from different organizations. We have had contributions from other
> >> companies like Cisco recently.
> >>
> >> This space is about to heat up soon and we will see more committers.
> >>
> >> cheers
> >> debo
> >>
> >> On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Patrick Hunt <ph...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> > I've mentored a number of podlings over the years and this one if very
> >> well
> >> > run and is on a good trajectory. As noted my main concern is about
> >> > diversity - in particular "self-sustaining and self-governing
> >> communities".
> >> > http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#community
> >> > That's pretty clear and concise statements from the Apache community
> as
> >> a
> >> > whole as to what it takes. The podling is following "the apache way"
> >> quite
> >> > well, so it's really the sustaining part for me. Ensuring that
> >> community is
> >> > being built and the community as a whole is owning the process.
> >> >
> >> > Hope this helps, regards,
> >> >
> >> > Patrick
> >> >
> >> > On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 2:24 PM, Andrew Purtell <ap...@apache.org>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > For me the best test if a podling is ready for graduation is they do
> >> it
> >> > > (mostly) for themselves. So, Mnemonic, I'd encourage you to search
> >> > through
> >> > > the incubator mailing list archives for examples of other podlings
> >> > running
> >> > > a graduation vote and submitting the result to the IPMC. Then, do
> it.
> >> > >
> >> > > I'm glad to see the recent move to bring in more RMs in response to
> >> the
> >> > > earlier feedback, now that everyone is aware of it. Sorry, I didn't
> >> think
> >> > > that the incubator report might not be read back.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 5:42 PM, John D. Ament <
> johndament@apache.org>
> >> > > wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >> Patrick,
> >> > >>
> >> > >> I read it. I'm curious, did you or Andrew share your feedback with
> >> > >> Mnemonic directly? I've noticed that podlings sometimes don't see
> >> the
> >> > >> input, and don't receive responses the way TLPs do.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> For the podling's information, we do also maintain a whimsy page of
> >> all
> >> > >> approved board reports per project, Mnemonic can see that
> information
> >> > >> here:
> >> > >> https://whimsy.apache.org/board/minutes/Mnemonic
> >> > >>
> >> > >> When I see a podling receiving 5 +1's on a dev list release vote,
> >> > that's a
> >> > >> great sign.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> There probably is room for more on list discussion, and yes the
> >> > committer
> >> > >> diversity isn't 100% there (I would be curious to see company
> >> > >> affiliations).
> >> > >>
> >> > >> I'll also point out that I sometimes ask these questions to
> podlings
> >> to
> >> > >> get
> >> > >> them to start thinking about graduation, not actually moving
> forward
> >> yet
> >> > >> due to $reasons.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 2:58 PM Patrick Hunt <ph...@apache.org>
> >> wrote:
> >> > >>
> >> > >> > Hi John, did you read my feedback on the most recent podling
> >> report?
> >> > Do
> >> > >> > you disagree? I don't believe this has changed significantly in
> the
> >> > past
> >> > >> > month/two. For example all releases have been done by a single
> >> person.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/March2017
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > As I've mentioned previously my only concerns at this point are
> >> around
> >> > >> > diversity.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > Patrick
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 11:07 AM, Gang(Gary) Wang <
> garyw@apache.org
> >> >
> >> > >> wrote:
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >> Hi John and PPMCs
> >> > >> >>
> >> > >> >> As John advised, our community and project mnemonic might be
> >> ready to
> >> > >> get
> >> > >> >> graduated, I'd like to start the following votes according to
> the
> >> > >> >> processes
> >> > >> >> of http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html with your
> >> > >> mentoring
> >> > >> >> and guidance if no objection today
> >> > >> >>
> >> > >> >> - Community graduation vote
> >> > >> >> - IPMC recommendation vote
> >> > >> >>
> >> > >> >> Mnemonic Project Incubation Status
> >> > >> >> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/mnemonic.html
> >> > >> >> Very truly yours
> >> > >> >> +Gary
> >> > >> >>
> >> > >> >>
> >> > >> >> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 11:26 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <
> >> garyw@apache.org>
> >> > >> >> wrote:
> >> > >> >>
> >> > >> >> > Hi John
> >> > >> >> >
> >> > >> >> > Thank you for starting this discussion.
> >> > >> >> >
> >> > >> >> > Yes, our community is growing and continue to attract more
> >> people
> >> > to
> >> > >> >> join
> >> > >> >> > our community. Some industry users are aware of mnemonic and
> >> > already
> >> > >> get
> >> > >> >> > interested as i known.
> >> > >> >> >
> >> > >> >> > Mnemonic is able to deliver unique values to their business
> so I
> >> > >> think
> >> > >> >> > that it is very important for us to get mnemonic graduated in
> >> time
> >> > if
> >> > >> >> > qualified.
> >> > >> >> >
> >> > >> >> > My 2 cents, looks nothing left for us to graduate Mnemonic,
> I'm
> >> > also
> >> > >> >> > looking forward to propose our project as Apache TLP.
> >> > >> >> >
> >> > >> >> > Thanks!
> >> > >> >> > Very truly yours
> >> > >> >> > Gary
> >> > >> >> >
> >> > >> >> >
> >> > >> >> >
> >> > >> >> > On Tuesday, May 2, 2017, John D. Ament <johndament@apache.org
> >
> >> > >> wrote:
> >> > >> >> > > Hi Mnemonic PPMC,
> >> > >> >> > >
> >> > >> >> > > After looking at your recent release, your current growth
> and
> >> > well
> >> > >> >> > functioning PPMC, was wondering what was left for you guys to
> >> > >> graduate?
> >> > >> >> > >
> >> > >> >> > > John
> >> > >> >> > >
> >> > >> >> >
> >> > >> >>
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >
> >> > >>
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > --
> >> > > Best regards,
> >> > >
> >> > > - Andy
> >> > >
> >> > > If you are given a choice, you believe you have acted freely. -
> >> Raymond
> >> > > Teller (via Peter Watts)
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation?
Posted by "John D. Ament" <jo...@apache.org>.
Hi patrick,
I recently raised an issue with the website to the team. I personally
would like to see that fixed before a graduation. Specifically saying that
you need to learn it from github.
John
On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:15 PM Patrick Hunt <ph...@apache.org> wrote:
> Given the recent work to bring on additional RMs (and increase community
> involvement in general) and clearly document release procedures I feel that
> my previous concerns have been largely addressed. If there is interest in
> the community I would now be in favor, but up to you - do you feel you're
> ready to graduate at this point?
>
> Regards,
>
> Patrick
>
>
> On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 3:30 PM, Debojyoti Dutta <dd...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> On the diversity issue, we are trying to solve that with new committers
>> from different organizations. We have had contributions from other
>> companies like Cisco recently.
>>
>> This space is about to heat up soon and we will see more committers.
>>
>> cheers
>> debo
>>
>> On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Patrick Hunt <ph...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>> > I've mentored a number of podlings over the years and this one if very
>> well
>> > run and is on a good trajectory. As noted my main concern is about
>> > diversity - in particular "self-sustaining and self-governing
>> communities".
>> > http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#community
>> > That's pretty clear and concise statements from the Apache community as
>> a
>> > whole as to what it takes. The podling is following "the apache way"
>> quite
>> > well, so it's really the sustaining part for me. Ensuring that
>> community is
>> > being built and the community as a whole is owning the process.
>> >
>> > Hope this helps, regards,
>> >
>> > Patrick
>> >
>> > On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 2:24 PM, Andrew Purtell <ap...@apache.org>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > For me the best test if a podling is ready for graduation is they do
>> it
>> > > (mostly) for themselves. So, Mnemonic, I'd encourage you to search
>> > through
>> > > the incubator mailing list archives for examples of other podlings
>> > running
>> > > a graduation vote and submitting the result to the IPMC. Then, do it.
>> > >
>> > > I'm glad to see the recent move to bring in more RMs in response to
>> the
>> > > earlier feedback, now that everyone is aware of it. Sorry, I didn't
>> think
>> > > that the incubator report might not be read back.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 5:42 PM, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> Patrick,
>> > >>
>> > >> I read it. I'm curious, did you or Andrew share your feedback with
>> > >> Mnemonic directly? I've noticed that podlings sometimes don't see
>> the
>> > >> input, and don't receive responses the way TLPs do.
>> > >>
>> > >> For the podling's information, we do also maintain a whimsy page of
>> all
>> > >> approved board reports per project, Mnemonic can see that information
>> > >> here:
>> > >> https://whimsy.apache.org/board/minutes/Mnemonic
>> > >>
>> > >> When I see a podling receiving 5 +1's on a dev list release vote,
>> > that's a
>> > >> great sign.
>> > >>
>> > >> There probably is room for more on list discussion, and yes the
>> > committer
>> > >> diversity isn't 100% there (I would be curious to see company
>> > >> affiliations).
>> > >>
>> > >> I'll also point out that I sometimes ask these questions to podlings
>> to
>> > >> get
>> > >> them to start thinking about graduation, not actually moving forward
>> yet
>> > >> due to $reasons.
>> > >>
>> > >> On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 2:58 PM Patrick Hunt <ph...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> > Hi John, did you read my feedback on the most recent podling
>> report?
>> > Do
>> > >> > you disagree? I don't believe this has changed significantly in the
>> > past
>> > >> > month/two. For example all releases have been done by a single
>> person.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/March2017
>> > >> >
>> > >> > As I've mentioned previously my only concerns at this point are
>> around
>> > >> > diversity.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Patrick
>> > >> >
>> > >> > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 11:07 AM, Gang(Gary) Wang <garyw@apache.org
>> >
>> > >> wrote:
>> > >> >
>> > >> >> Hi John and PPMCs
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> As John advised, our community and project mnemonic might be
>> ready to
>> > >> get
>> > >> >> graduated, I'd like to start the following votes according to the
>> > >> >> processes
>> > >> >> of http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html with your
>> > >> mentoring
>> > >> >> and guidance if no objection today
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> - Community graduation vote
>> > >> >> - IPMC recommendation vote
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> Mnemonic Project Incubation Status
>> > >> >> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/mnemonic.html
>> > >> >> Very truly yours
>> > >> >> +Gary
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 11:26 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <
>> garyw@apache.org>
>> > >> >> wrote:
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> > Hi John
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> > Thank you for starting this discussion.
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> > Yes, our community is growing and continue to attract more
>> people
>> > to
>> > >> >> join
>> > >> >> > our community. Some industry users are aware of mnemonic and
>> > already
>> > >> get
>> > >> >> > interested as i known.
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> > Mnemonic is able to deliver unique values to their business so I
>> > >> think
>> > >> >> > that it is very important for us to get mnemonic graduated in
>> time
>> > if
>> > >> >> > qualified.
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> > My 2 cents, looks nothing left for us to graduate Mnemonic, I'm
>> > also
>> > >> >> > looking forward to propose our project as Apache TLP.
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> > Thanks!
>> > >> >> > Very truly yours
>> > >> >> > Gary
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> > On Tuesday, May 2, 2017, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
>> > >> wrote:
>> > >> >> > > Hi Mnemonic PPMC,
>> > >> >> > >
>> > >> >> > > After looking at your recent release, your current growth and
>> > well
>> > >> >> > functioning PPMC, was wondering what was left for you guys to
>> > >> graduate?
>> > >> >> > >
>> > >> >> > > John
>> > >> >> > >
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Best regards,
>> > >
>> > > - Andy
>> > >
>> > > If you are given a choice, you believe you have acted freely. -
>> Raymond
>> > > Teller (via Peter Watts)
>> > >
>> >
>>
>
>