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Posted to user@couchdb.apache.org by Marcel Bruch <br...@cs.tu-darmstadt.de> on 2011/06/03 14:10:48 UTC
CouchDB embedded in Eclipse - current status?
Hi,
I'm currently evaluating whether we could use couchdb as embedded DB for one of your projects. So far we use couchdb on server side but would like to synchronize some data with various Eclipse clients .
I came across http://damienkatz.net/2009/08/wanted_couchdb_eclipse_plugin.html and https://github.com/pittypanda/com.pittypanda.plugins.couch#readme
The latter seems to require some working servers already installed, and the former makes me believe that no solution is available yet. Is this right?
I'm experienced with Eclipse, but unfortunately not experienced enough to know how to install/run Erlang runtimes in Eclipse :(
Best,
Marcel
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Re: CouchDB embedded in Eclipse - current status?
Posted by Marcel Bruch <br...@cs.tu-darmstadt.de>.
On 03.06.2011, at 17:57, Ryan Ramage wrote:
> I have some java code that manages a local install of couchdb. Here
> are some places you might want to look:
>
> http://code.google.com/p/eckoit/source/browse/trunk/eckoit-tray/src/main/java/com/googlecode/eckoit/util/CouchLocator.java
> http://code.google.com/p/eckoit/source/browse/trunk/eckoit-tray/src/main/java/com/googlecode/eckoit/tray/CouchDBProcessManager.java
>
Thanks for the pointers. Starting/Stoping when the application starts would be ok I guess. I could imagine to run a local couchdb per Eclipse Workspace and start CouchDB with appropriate paths to the Erlang runtime and DB location.
> I can't see any way of 'embedding' into eclipse other than by an
> external process. I have it bundled with my desktop application and I
> manage the start/stop when the application starts/stops.
Do you have binaries for Erlang bundled too? Or just for CouchDB? How many OS do you support?
I silently assume that I need one CouchDB build per OS. Is this right?
Thanks,
Marcel
> You will need
> to manage different couch binaries as well for each os.
>
> On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 9:30 AM, Jan Lehnardt <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>> On 3 Jun 2011, at 14:10, Marcel Bruch wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I'm currently evaluating whether we could use couchdb as embedded DB for one of your projects. So far we use couchdb on server side but would like to synchronize some data with various Eclipse clients .
>>>
>>> I came across http://damienkatz.net/2009/08/wanted_couchdb_eclipse_plugin.html and https://github.com/pittypanda/com.pittypanda.plugins.couch#readme
>>>
>>> The latter seems to require some working servers already installed, and the former makes me believe that no solution is available yet. Is this right?
>>>
>>> I'm experienced with Eclipse, but unfortunately not experienced enough to know how to install/run Erlang runtimes in Eclipse :(
>>
>> I don't know much about the state of the above nor eclipse, but running CouchDB in "embedded mode" is just like calling like any other third party command-line tool. What other specific requirements does Eclipse have?
>>
>> Cheers
>> Jan
>> --
>>
>>
Re: CouchDB embedded in Eclipse - current status?
Posted by Ryan Ramage <ry...@gmail.com>.
Marcel,
I have some java code that manages a local install of couchdb. Here
are some places you might want to look:
http://code.google.com/p/eckoit/source/browse/trunk/eckoit-tray/src/main/java/com/googlecode/eckoit/util/CouchLocator.java
http://code.google.com/p/eckoit/source/browse/trunk/eckoit-tray/src/main/java/com/googlecode/eckoit/tray/CouchDBProcessManager.java
I can't see any way of 'embedding' into eclipse other than by an
external process. I have it bundled with my desktop application and I
manage the start/stop when the application starts/stops. You will need
to manage different couch binaries as well for each os.
Hope that helps.
Ryan
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 9:30 AM, Jan Lehnardt <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> On 3 Jun 2011, at 14:10, Marcel Bruch wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm currently evaluating whether we could use couchdb as embedded DB for one of your projects. So far we use couchdb on server side but would like to synchronize some data with various Eclipse clients .
>>
>> I came across http://damienkatz.net/2009/08/wanted_couchdb_eclipse_plugin.html and https://github.com/pittypanda/com.pittypanda.plugins.couch#readme
>>
>> The latter seems to require some working servers already installed, and the former makes me believe that no solution is available yet. Is this right?
>>
>> I'm experienced with Eclipse, but unfortunately not experienced enough to know how to install/run Erlang runtimes in Eclipse :(
>
> I don't know much about the state of the above nor eclipse, but running CouchDB in "embedded mode" is just like calling like any other third party command-line tool. What other specific requirements does Eclipse have?
>
> Cheers
> Jan
> --
>
>
Re: CouchDB embedded in Eclipse - current status?
Posted by Dave Cottlehuber <da...@muse.net.nz>.
On 9 June 2011 08:14, Marcel Bruch <br...@cs.tu-darmstadt.de> wrote:
>>> In any case, I will give it a try and create a simple feature + plug-in for Eclipse that packages the latest CouchDB w/ Erlang runtime for MacOSX + code that starts CouchDB from within Eclipse.
>>
>> Awesome!
>
> I spent few minutes on this today. Starting/stoping an instance of CouchDB from within Eclipse works. Configuration parameters like "database_dir" "util_driver_dir" etc., however, still point to the build folder. This needs some adjustments, for example by rewriting the configuration file on startup.
>
> How can we continue?
> 1. To use CouchDB from Eclipse support for most popular os is needed. This should include win32/64, linux32/64, and mac32/64.
> 2. The configuration issues need to be solved.
> 3. To use CouchDB at Eclipse the code of CouchDB and Erlang must pass an IP check. Especially for Erlang this may take some time.
>
> While the latter is more my problem than yours, how about the former two? Is it realistic to get builds for other os from CouchDB community?
>
> The (minimalistic) Eclipse/Java code to start/stop CouchDB is round about 20 lines and will grow to a few hundred lines I think to deal with configuration rewrites etc.
>
> Let me know what you think about it.
>
> Thanks,
> Marcel
I don't use Eclipse, nor java. But I can cover the windows side of (1) for you.
A+
Dave
Re: CouchDB embedded in Eclipse - current status?
Posted by Benoit Chesneau <bc...@gmail.com>.
On Friday, June 10, 2011, Marcel Bruch <br...@cs.tu-darmstadt.de> wrote:
>
> On 10.06.2011, at 11:14, Benoit Chesneau wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 10:14 PM, Marcel Bruch <br...@cs.tu-darmstadt.de> wrote:
>>>>> In any case, I will give it a try and create a simple feature + plug-in for Eclipse that packages the latest CouchDB w/ Erlang runtime for MacOSX + code that starts CouchDB from within Eclipse.
>>>>
>>>> Awesome!
>>>
>>> I spent few minutes on this today. Starting/stoping an instance of CouchDB from within Eclipse works. Configuration parameters like "database_dir" "util_driver_dir" etc., however, still point to the build folder. This needs some adjustments, for example by rewriting the configuration file on startup.
>>>
>>> How can we continue?
>>> 1. To use CouchDB from Eclipse support for most popular os is needed. This should include win32/64, linux32/64, and mac32/64.
>>
>>> 2. The configuration issues need to be solved.
>>
>> Again using rcouch templates you can build customs couch with the
>> config you need, and distribute it as a binary. Maybe it could help?
>>
>> https://github.com/refuge/rcouch_template
>
>
> Will have a look at this.
>
>>> 3. To use CouchDB at Eclipse the code of CouchDB and Erlang must pass an IP check. Especially for Erlang this may take some time.
>>>
>> Not sure why ? You can get last uri used by couch by getting it in
>> couch.uri file and let ip an dport be set automatically by the system
>> (0.0.0.0:0)
>
> sorry, this term is overloaded. With "IP" i meant "Intellectual Property" check.
oh! ok...
>
>>
>>> While the latter is more my problem than yours, how about the former two? Is it realistic to get builds for other os from CouchDB community?
>>>
>>> The (minimalistic) Eclipse/Java code to start/stop CouchDB is round about 20 lines and will grow to a few hundred lines I think to deal with configuration rewrites etc.
>>>
>>> Let me know what you think about it.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Marcel
>
>
Re: CouchDB embedded in Eclipse - current status?
Posted by Marcel Bruch <br...@cs.tu-darmstadt.de>.
On 10.06.2011, at 11:14, Benoit Chesneau wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 10:14 PM, Marcel Bruch <br...@cs.tu-darmstadt.de> wrote:
>>>> In any case, I will give it a try and create a simple feature + plug-in for Eclipse that packages the latest CouchDB w/ Erlang runtime for MacOSX + code that starts CouchDB from within Eclipse.
>>>
>>> Awesome!
>>
>> I spent few minutes on this today. Starting/stoping an instance of CouchDB from within Eclipse works. Configuration parameters like "database_dir" "util_driver_dir" etc., however, still point to the build folder. This needs some adjustments, for example by rewriting the configuration file on startup.
>>
>> How can we continue?
>> 1. To use CouchDB from Eclipse support for most popular os is needed. This should include win32/64, linux32/64, and mac32/64.
>
>> 2. The configuration issues need to be solved.
>
> Again using rcouch templates you can build customs couch with the
> config you need, and distribute it as a binary. Maybe it could help?
>
> https://github.com/refuge/rcouch_template
Will have a look at this.
>> 3. To use CouchDB at Eclipse the code of CouchDB and Erlang must pass an IP check. Especially for Erlang this may take some time.
>>
> Not sure why ? You can get last uri used by couch by getting it in
> couch.uri file and let ip an dport be set automatically by the system
> (0.0.0.0:0)
sorry, this term is overloaded. With "IP" i meant "Intellectual Property" check.
>
>> While the latter is more my problem than yours, how about the former two? Is it realistic to get builds for other os from CouchDB community?
>>
>> The (minimalistic) Eclipse/Java code to start/stop CouchDB is round about 20 lines and will grow to a few hundred lines I think to deal with configuration rewrites etc.
>>
>> Let me know what you think about it.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Marcel
Re: CouchDB embedded in Eclipse - current status?
Posted by Benoit Chesneau <bc...@gmail.com>.
On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 10:14 PM, Marcel Bruch <br...@cs.tu-darmstadt.de> wrote:
>>> In any case, I will give it a try and create a simple feature + plug-in for Eclipse that packages the latest CouchDB w/ Erlang runtime for MacOSX + code that starts CouchDB from within Eclipse.
>>
>> Awesome!
>
> I spent few minutes on this today. Starting/stoping an instance of CouchDB from within Eclipse works. Configuration parameters like "database_dir" "util_driver_dir" etc., however, still point to the build folder. This needs some adjustments, for example by rewriting the configuration file on startup.
>
> How can we continue?
> 1. To use CouchDB from Eclipse support for most popular os is needed. This should include win32/64, linux32/64, and mac32/64.
> 2. The configuration issues need to be solved.
Again using rcouch templates you can build customs couch with the
config you need, and distribute it as a binary. Maybe it could help?
https://github.com/refuge/rcouch_template
> 3. To use CouchDB at Eclipse the code of CouchDB and Erlang must pass an IP check. Especially for Erlang this may take some time.
>
Not sure why ? You can get last uri used by couch by getting it in
couch.uri file and let ip an dport be set automatically by the system
(0.0.0.0:0)
> While the latter is more my problem than yours, how about the former two? Is it realistic to get builds for other os from CouchDB community?
>
> The (minimalistic) Eclipse/Java code to start/stop CouchDB is round about 20 lines and will grow to a few hundred lines I think to deal with configuration rewrites etc.
>
> Let me know what you think about it.
>
> Thanks,
> Marcel
Re: CouchDB embedded in Eclipse - current status?
Posted by Marcel Bruch <br...@cs.tu-darmstadt.de>.
>> In any case, I will give it a try and create a simple feature + plug-in for Eclipse that packages the latest CouchDB w/ Erlang runtime for MacOSX + code that starts CouchDB from within Eclipse.
>
> Awesome!
I spent few minutes on this today. Starting/stoping an instance of CouchDB from within Eclipse works. Configuration parameters like "database_dir" "util_driver_dir" etc., however, still point to the build folder. This needs some adjustments, for example by rewriting the configuration file on startup.
How can we continue?
1. To use CouchDB from Eclipse support for most popular os is needed. This should include win32/64, linux32/64, and mac32/64.
2. The configuration issues need to be solved.
3. To use CouchDB at Eclipse the code of CouchDB and Erlang must pass an IP check. Especially for Erlang this may take some time.
While the latter is more my problem than yours, how about the former two? Is it realistic to get builds for other os from CouchDB community?
The (minimalistic) Eclipse/Java code to start/stop CouchDB is round about 20 lines and will grow to a few hundred lines I think to deal with configuration rewrites etc.
Let me know what you think about it.
Thanks,
Marcel
Re: CouchDB embedded in Eclipse - current status?
Posted by Jan Lehnardt <ja...@apache.org>.
On 4 Jun 2011, at 15:55, Marcel Bruch wrote:
> On 04.06.2011, at 15:45, Jan Lehnardt wrote:
>
>>
>> On 4 Jun 2011, at 15:38, Marcel Bruch wrote:
>>
>>> On 04.06.2011, at 15:25, Jan Lehnardt wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ah yes, compiled Erlang byte code works cross-platform. As do internal data serialisation formats that we use for data storage.
>>>
>>> OK. Assuming that this compiled code could be separated and packaged in a platform-independent way we just need one plug-in for CouchDB 1.0.x + one plug-in for each "Erlang Runtime x supported OS" combination. Thus, this boils down to "how can we use an Erlang Runtime packaged as plug-in".
>>
>> I forgot: There's parts of CouchDB that are in C and thus are platform dependent, like Spidermonkey, the ICU port driver and in trunk the JSON NIFs.
>
> OK.
>
>> I'd still recommend just taking the folder that build-couchdb produces and create one bundle per architecture.
>
> The build folder is 70MB large. Could this be reduced further? This is not a hard requirement but it would be nice if this could be reduced a bit.
Pretty sure it can :)
> In any case, I will give it a try and create a simple feature + plug-in for Eclipse that packages the latest CouchDB w/ Erlang runtime for MacOSX + code that starts CouchDB from within Eclipse.
Awesome!
Cheers
Jan
--
Re: CouchDB embedded in Eclipse - current status?
Posted by Marcel Bruch <br...@cs.tu-darmstadt.de>.
On 04.06.2011, at 15:45, Jan Lehnardt wrote:
>
> On 4 Jun 2011, at 15:38, Marcel Bruch wrote:
>
>> On 04.06.2011, at 15:25, Jan Lehnardt wrote:
>>
>>> Ah yes, compiled Erlang byte code works cross-platform. As do internal data serialisation formats that we use for data storage.
>>
>> OK. Assuming that this compiled code could be separated and packaged in a platform-independent way we just need one plug-in for CouchDB 1.0.x + one plug-in for each "Erlang Runtime x supported OS" combination. Thus, this boils down to "how can we use an Erlang Runtime packaged as plug-in".
>
> I forgot: There's parts of CouchDB that are in C and thus are platform dependent, like Spidermonkey, the ICU port driver and in trunk the JSON NIFs.
OK.
> I'd still recommend just taking the folder that build-couchdb produces and create one bundle per architecture.
The build folder is 70MB large. Could this be reduced further? This is not a hard requirement but it would be nice if this could be reduced a bit.
In any case, I will give it a try and create a simple feature + plug-in for Eclipse that packages the latest CouchDB w/ Erlang runtime for MacOSX + code that starts CouchDB from within Eclipse.
Best,
Marcel
>
> Cheers
> Jan
> --
Re: CouchDB embedded in Eclipse - current status?
Posted by Jan Lehnardt <ja...@apache.org>.
On 4 Jun 2011, at 15:38, Marcel Bruch wrote:
> On 04.06.2011, at 15:25, Jan Lehnardt wrote:
>
>> Ah yes, compiled Erlang byte code works cross-platform. As do internal data serialisation formats that we use for data storage.
>
> OK. Assuming that this compiled code could be separated and packaged in a platform-independent way we just need one plug-in for CouchDB 1.0.x + one plug-in for each "Erlang Runtime x supported OS" combination. Thus, this boils down to "how can we use an Erlang Runtime packaged as plug-in".
I forgot: There's parts of CouchDB that are in C and thus are platform dependent, like Spidermonkey, the ICU port driver and in trunk the JSON NIFs.
I'd still recommend just taking the folder that build-couchdb produces and create one bundle per architecture.
Cheers
Jan
--
Re: CouchDB embedded in Eclipse - current status?
Posted by Marcel Bruch <br...@cs.tu-darmstadt.de>.
On 04.06.2011, at 15:25, Jan Lehnardt wrote:
> Ah yes, compiled Erlang byte code works cross-platform. As do internal data serialisation formats that we use for data storage.
OK. Assuming that this compiled code could be separated and packaged in a platform-independent way we just need one plug-in for CouchDB 1.0.x + one plug-in for each "Erlang Runtime x supported OS" combination. Thus, this boils down to "how can we use an Erlang Runtime packaged as plug-in".
Let's see how this can be tackled.
Thanks,
Marcel
Re: CouchDB embedded in Eclipse - current status?
Posted by Jan Lehnardt <ja...@apache.org>.
On 4 Jun 2011, at 15:22, Marcel Bruch wrote:
> On 04.06.2011, at 15:18, Jan Lehnardt wrote:
>
>>
>> On 4 Jun 2011, at 15:03, Marcel Bruch wrote:
>>
>>> On 04.06.2011, at 13:45, Jan Lehnardt wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 4 Jun 2011, at 11:36, Marcel Bruch wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 03.06.2011, at 17:30, Jan Lehnardt wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't know much about the state of the above nor eclipse, but running CouchDB in "embedded mode" is just like calling like any other third party command-line tool. What other specific requirements does Eclipse have?
>>>>>
>>>>> The word "embedded" was not well chosen. It shouldn't be required to have a local Erlang runtime nor CouchDB to be installed *before* on client side.
>>>>>
>>>>> However, I just recognized that couchdb is started via commandline "/usr/bin/erl <many options>", right? Thus, what's needed is (i) a Erlang runtime installation as a plug-in and (ii) a couchdb installation as plug-in. Both plug-ins would be platform-specific, right?
>>>>>
>>>>> If so, we need to come up with 2 x 2 x "OS-Variants" plug-ins? If we would like to support Mac 32/64, Win 32/64, Linux 32/64 we need 2 x 2 x 6 = 24 plug-ins?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks helping me to grasp what would be needed to run CouchDB on a client.
>>>>
>>>> https://github.com/jhs/build-couchdb will build a CouchDB and all dependencies for you in a neat package. But yeah, you'd need one per architecture if you want to have it all fit (64bit Mac OS X *can* run 32bit binaries e.g.), but if the procedure of producing a plugin is automated, I'm sure a lot of people would pitch into providing binaries.
>>>>
>>>
>>> your build script works like a charm. Just a few questions regarding you build:
>>
>> It's Jason's but yeah, it works great :)
>>
>>> It seems that *everything* required to run couch has been built and packaged below build/ (including Erlang), right?
>>
>> Correct.
>>
>>> There is no dependency anymore that needs to be installed before I can run CouchDB on my machine, i.e., if I copy the build folder to another machine (same OS) it should work there too?
>>
>> Correct.
>>
>>
>>> If so, then it might become quite easy to create Eclipse bundles from it - and along with Ryan's management scripts it should be straight forward (more or less). The issue with "one plug-in per platform" remains but may be acceptable if others contribute builds for different platforms.
>>>
>>> Another one: Is Couch itself platform dependent - or just Erlang? (you see, I'm quite foolish when it comes to Erlang)
>>
>> What kind of platform dependency are you referring to?
>
> Can CouchDB be complied on some machine and run on every other platform that has Erlang runtime installed? Comparable to Java: Compile once, run everywhere.
Ah yes, compiled Erlang byte code works cross-platform. As do internal data serialisation formats that we use for data storage.
Cheers
Jan
--
>
>
>>
>> Cheers
>> Jan
>> --
>>
>>> If not, there is another solution we might come up with: I was asking on the Erlide mailing list for support on building Erlang runtime as Eclipse plug-in. It seems that this should be possible. Maybe there is one solution that solves more than just one problem. We'll see. http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=27599848
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Marcel
>>>
>
Re: CouchDB embedded in Eclipse - current status?
Posted by Marcel Bruch <br...@cs.tu-darmstadt.de>.
On 04.06.2011, at 15:18, Jan Lehnardt wrote:
>
> On 4 Jun 2011, at 15:03, Marcel Bruch wrote:
>
>> On 04.06.2011, at 13:45, Jan Lehnardt wrote:
>>
>>> On 4 Jun 2011, at 11:36, Marcel Bruch wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 03.06.2011, at 17:30, Jan Lehnardt wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I don't know much about the state of the above nor eclipse, but running CouchDB in "embedded mode" is just like calling like any other third party command-line tool. What other specific requirements does Eclipse have?
>>>>
>>>> The word "embedded" was not well chosen. It shouldn't be required to have a local Erlang runtime nor CouchDB to be installed *before* on client side.
>>>>
>>>> However, I just recognized that couchdb is started via commandline "/usr/bin/erl <many options>", right? Thus, what's needed is (i) a Erlang runtime installation as a plug-in and (ii) a couchdb installation as plug-in. Both plug-ins would be platform-specific, right?
>>>>
>>>> If so, we need to come up with 2 x 2 x "OS-Variants" plug-ins? If we would like to support Mac 32/64, Win 32/64, Linux 32/64 we need 2 x 2 x 6 = 24 plug-ins?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks helping me to grasp what would be needed to run CouchDB on a client.
>>>
>>> https://github.com/jhs/build-couchdb will build a CouchDB and all dependencies for you in a neat package. But yeah, you'd need one per architecture if you want to have it all fit (64bit Mac OS X *can* run 32bit binaries e.g.), but if the procedure of producing a plugin is automated, I'm sure a lot of people would pitch into providing binaries.
>>>
>>
>> your build script works like a charm. Just a few questions regarding you build:
>
> It's Jason's but yeah, it works great :)
>
>> It seems that *everything* required to run couch has been built and packaged below build/ (including Erlang), right?
>
> Correct.
>
>> There is no dependency anymore that needs to be installed before I can run CouchDB on my machine, i.e., if I copy the build folder to another machine (same OS) it should work there too?
>
> Correct.
>
>
>> If so, then it might become quite easy to create Eclipse bundles from it - and along with Ryan's management scripts it should be straight forward (more or less). The issue with "one plug-in per platform" remains but may be acceptable if others contribute builds for different platforms.
>>
>> Another one: Is Couch itself platform dependent - or just Erlang? (you see, I'm quite foolish when it comes to Erlang)
>
> What kind of platform dependency are you referring to?
Can CouchDB be complied on some machine and run on every other platform that has Erlang runtime installed? Comparable to Java: Compile once, run everywhere.
>
> Cheers
> Jan
> --
>
>> If not, there is another solution we might come up with: I was asking on the Erlide mailing list for support on building Erlang runtime as Eclipse plug-in. It seems that this should be possible. Maybe there is one solution that solves more than just one problem. We'll see. http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=27599848
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Marcel
>>
Re: CouchDB embedded in Eclipse - current status?
Posted by Jan Lehnardt <ja...@apache.org>.
On 4 Jun 2011, at 15:03, Marcel Bruch wrote:
> On 04.06.2011, at 13:45, Jan Lehnardt wrote:
>
>> On 4 Jun 2011, at 11:36, Marcel Bruch wrote:
>>
>>> On 03.06.2011, at 17:30, Jan Lehnardt wrote:
>>>
>>>> I don't know much about the state of the above nor eclipse, but running CouchDB in "embedded mode" is just like calling like any other third party command-line tool. What other specific requirements does Eclipse have?
>>>
>>> The word "embedded" was not well chosen. It shouldn't be required to have a local Erlang runtime nor CouchDB to be installed *before* on client side.
>>>
>>> However, I just recognized that couchdb is started via commandline "/usr/bin/erl <many options>", right? Thus, what's needed is (i) a Erlang runtime installation as a plug-in and (ii) a couchdb installation as plug-in. Both plug-ins would be platform-specific, right?
>>>
>>> If so, we need to come up with 2 x 2 x "OS-Variants" plug-ins? If we would like to support Mac 32/64, Win 32/64, Linux 32/64 we need 2 x 2 x 6 = 24 plug-ins?
>>>
>>> Thanks helping me to grasp what would be needed to run CouchDB on a client.
>>
>> https://github.com/jhs/build-couchdb will build a CouchDB and all dependencies for you in a neat package. But yeah, you'd need one per architecture if you want to have it all fit (64bit Mac OS X *can* run 32bit binaries e.g.), but if the procedure of producing a plugin is automated, I'm sure a lot of people would pitch into providing binaries.
>>
>
> your build script works like a charm. Just a few questions regarding you build:
It's Jason's but yeah, it works great :)
> It seems that *everything* required to run couch has been built and packaged below build/ (including Erlang), right?
Correct.
> There is no dependency anymore that needs to be installed before I can run CouchDB on my machine, i.e., if I copy the build folder to another machine (same OS) it should work there too?
Correct.
> If so, then it might become quite easy to create Eclipse bundles from it - and along with Ryan's management scripts it should be straight forward (more or less). The issue with "one plug-in per platform" remains but may be acceptable if others contribute builds for different platforms.
>
> Another one: Is Couch itself platform dependent - or just Erlang? (you see, I'm quite foolish when it comes to Erlang)
What kind of platform dependency are you referring to?
Cheers
Jan
--
> If not, there is another solution we might come up with: I was asking on the Erlide mailing list for support on building Erlang runtime as Eclipse plug-in. It seems that this should be possible. Maybe there is one solution that solves more than just one problem. We'll see. http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=27599848
>
> Thanks,
> Marcel
>
Re: CouchDB embedded in Eclipse - current status?
Posted by Marcel Bruch <br...@cs.tu-darmstadt.de>.
On 04.06.2011, at 13:45, Jan Lehnardt wrote:
> On 4 Jun 2011, at 11:36, Marcel Bruch wrote:
>
>> On 03.06.2011, at 17:30, Jan Lehnardt wrote:
>>
>>> I don't know much about the state of the above nor eclipse, but running CouchDB in "embedded mode" is just like calling like any other third party command-line tool. What other specific requirements does Eclipse have?
>>
>> The word "embedded" was not well chosen. It shouldn't be required to have a local Erlang runtime nor CouchDB to be installed *before* on client side.
>>
>> However, I just recognized that couchdb is started via commandline "/usr/bin/erl <many options>", right? Thus, what's needed is (i) a Erlang runtime installation as a plug-in and (ii) a couchdb installation as plug-in. Both plug-ins would be platform-specific, right?
>>
>> If so, we need to come up with 2 x 2 x "OS-Variants" plug-ins? If we would like to support Mac 32/64, Win 32/64, Linux 32/64 we need 2 x 2 x 6 = 24 plug-ins?
>>
>> Thanks helping me to grasp what would be needed to run CouchDB on a client.
>
> https://github.com/jhs/build-couchdb will build a CouchDB and all dependencies for you in a neat package. But yeah, you'd need one per architecture if you want to have it all fit (64bit Mac OS X *can* run 32bit binaries e.g.), but if the procedure of producing a plugin is automated, I'm sure a lot of people would pitch into providing binaries.
>
your build script works like a charm. Just a few questions regarding you build:
It seems that *everything* required to run couch has been built and packaged below build/ (including Erlang), right?
There is no dependency anymore that needs to be installed before I can run CouchDB on my machine, i.e., if I copy the build folder to another machine (same OS) it should work there too?
If so, then it might become quite easy to create Eclipse bundles from it - and along with Ryan's management scripts it should be straight forward (more or less). The issue with "one plug-in per platform" remains but may be acceptable if others contribute builds for different platforms.
Another one: Is Couch itself platform dependent - or just Erlang? (you see, I'm quite foolish when it comes to Erlang)
If not, there is another solution we might come up with: I was asking on the Erlide mailing list for support on building Erlang runtime as Eclipse plug-in. It seems that this should be possible. Maybe there is one solution that solves more than just one problem. We'll see. http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=27599848
Thanks,
Marcel
Re: CouchDB embedded in Eclipse - current status?
Posted by Jan Lehnardt <ja...@apache.org>.
On 4 Jun 2011, at 11:36, Marcel Bruch wrote:
> On 03.06.2011, at 17:30, Jan Lehnardt wrote:
>
>> I don't know much about the state of the above nor eclipse, but running CouchDB in "embedded mode" is just like calling like any other third party command-line tool. What other specific requirements does Eclipse have?
>
> The word "embedded" was not well chosen. It shouldn't be required to have a local Erlang runtime nor CouchDB to be installed *before* on client side.
>
> However, I just recognized that couchdb is started via commandline "/usr/bin/erl <many options>", right? Thus, what's needed is (i) a Erlang runtime installation as a plug-in and (ii) a couchdb installation as plug-in. Both plug-ins would be platform-specific, right?
>
> If so, we need to come up with 2 x 2 x "OS-Variants" plug-ins? If we would like to support Mac 32/64, Win 32/64, Linux 32/64 we need 2 x 2 x 6 = 24 plug-ins?
>
> Thanks helping me to grasp what would be needed to run CouchDB on a client.
https://github.com/jhs/build-couchdb will build a CouchDB and all dependencies for you in a neat package. But yeah, you'd need one per architecture if you want to have it all fit (64bit Mac OS X *can* run 32bit binaries e.g.), but if the procedure of producing a plugin is automated, I'm sure a lot of people would pitch into providing binaries.
Cheers
Jan
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Re: CouchDB embedded in Eclipse - current status?
Posted by Marcel Bruch <br...@cs.tu-darmstadt.de>.
On 03.06.2011, at 17:30, Jan Lehnardt wrote:
> I don't know much about the state of the above nor eclipse, but running CouchDB in "embedded mode" is just like calling like any other third party command-line tool. What other specific requirements does Eclipse have?
The word "embedded" was not well chosen. It shouldn't be required to have a local Erlang runtime nor CouchDB to be installed *before* on client side.
However, I just recognized that couchdb is started via commandline "/usr/bin/erl <many options>", right? Thus, what's needed is (i) a Erlang runtime installation as a plug-in and (ii) a couchdb installation as plug-in. Both plug-ins would be platform-specific, right?
If so, we need to come up with 2 x 2 x "OS-Variants" plug-ins? If we would like to support Mac 32/64, Win 32/64, Linux 32/64 we need 2 x 2 x 6 = 24 plug-ins?
Thanks helping me to grasp what would be needed to run CouchDB on a client.
Re: CouchDB embedded in Eclipse - current status?
Posted by Jan Lehnardt <ja...@apache.org>.
On 3 Jun 2011, at 14:10, Marcel Bruch wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm currently evaluating whether we could use couchdb as embedded DB for one of your projects. So far we use couchdb on server side but would like to synchronize some data with various Eclipse clients .
>
> I came across http://damienkatz.net/2009/08/wanted_couchdb_eclipse_plugin.html and https://github.com/pittypanda/com.pittypanda.plugins.couch#readme
>
> The latter seems to require some working servers already installed, and the former makes me believe that no solution is available yet. Is this right?
>
> I'm experienced with Eclipse, but unfortunately not experienced enough to know how to install/run Erlang runtimes in Eclipse :(
I don't know much about the state of the above nor eclipse, but running CouchDB in "embedded mode" is just like calling like any other third party command-line tool. What other specific requirements does Eclipse have?
Cheers
Jan
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