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Posted to dev@ofbiz.apache.org by Pierre Smits <pi...@apache.org> on 2022/01/25 01:00:40 UTC
Re: [jira] [Commented] (OFBIZ-12489) Product Prices - VIEW permissions
Michael,
I told you before in (other) tickets to stop trolling me through your
complaints in the tickets I am working on. You continue to do this.
Your remarks about you not committing the code contributions of
unprivileged contributors are totally inappropriate. Not appropriate in
ticket comments, nor in the mailing lists of the project. Nobody is
strong-arming you to commit or merge improvements. Nobody is expecting you
ever will.
Stop trying to pressure fellow contributors, collaborating to improve
OFBiz, to follow your dictate by your attempt to frame a narrative that
there is an agreement about how contributors are to contribute what, where
and when.
Such narrative is solely intended to dictate the direction of the project
for your self serving purposes, resulting in alienating fellow contributors
from collaborating in the OFBiz project to get improvements into its
repositories.
There has never been such an agreement on how, what, where and when to
contribute in the OFBiz community. Nor on the specific subject of what the
correct translation label that is to be used in OFBiz screens and forms.
No discussion on that latter subject has ever been started on the dev
mailing list, nor is there any series of postings on that list that could
lead to someone being able to claim that a kind of consensus could be
derived from such a thread.
It appears, IMO, that you don't want what is for the good of the public
through the deliverables of the OFBiz project.
Your business needs and goals are not the concerns of the project, nor the
concerns of the contributors not paid by you(r company).
You keep your Ecomify rules re OFBiz to yourself and for your employees,
instead of presenting them as rules (or agreements) of the project. In this
project there are no such 'contribution' rules.
There are only guidelines, and precedents established over time within the
project. And these indicate that anything goes.
If you want to change what the way is how contributions are done to the
project, you start a discussion on the dev mailing list of the project and
work that discussion towards a consensus. Alternatively you follow the lead
of what many of your fellow privileged contributors do in this project
nowadays.
Again: s*top trolling me*. You bring nothing new to the tickets I am
working. Keep your complaints to yourself, or use them to create a positive
change to the project that will make OFBiz more appealing, more
trustworthy, attracting a greater diversity of contributors instead of a
negative change.
If you want to improve OFBiz, go work the tickets that have your name as
the assignee to a successful conclusion (or take those of the contributors
paid by your company, or - if that is all done - take those that are
unassigned as there are plenty of possibilities there), instead of
harassing fellow contributors and me collaborating to improve OFBiz.
Pierre Smits
*Proud* *contributor** of* Apache OFBiz <https://ofbiz.apache.org/> since
2008 (without privileges)
Proud contributor to the ASF since 2006
*Apache Directory <https://directory.apache.org>, PMC Member*
On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 3:57 PM Michael Brohl (Jira) <ji...@apache.org>
wrote:
>
> [
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-12489?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=17481153#comment-17481153
> ]
>
> Michael Brohl commented on OFBIZ-12489:
> ---------------------------------------
>
> Thanks Jacques.
>
> I think you misunderstood my point respectively I made myself not clear
> enough. I know that we agreed upon the use of common labels vs. specific
> labels and simply put a reminder to give context. I didn't meant to say
> that you don't care about labels and I'm sorry if it came across this way.
>
> I totally agree with your statement "I have always thought that example is
> better than commanding."
>
> In this case, I do not think the lack of example is the problem. We've
> spent a lot of energy together to explain the points with common vs.
> specific labels and quite a few issues were resolved as "Won't do" in this
> course.
>
> Being unfair was in no way targeted to you but to the contributor who
> seems to intentionally ignore past decisions and still tries to sneak in
> his point of view through contributions, often not even mentioning those
> changes in the commit messages.
>
> As a result, I won't commit those changes but insist that the contributor
> does the correction before the changes go to the codebase. Why should
> anyone else be bothered with this task than the contributor himself?
>
> Not sure if it will be a lesson because it had no consequences for the
> contributor. Where's the learning effect then?
>
> I will spent my time reviewing and commenting the PR's which I did the
> last days. I'm not sure if I am able or willing to spent my time correcting
> things which easily could have been avoided in the first place, we will see.
>
> > Product Prices - VIEW permissions
> > ---------------------------------
> >
> > Key: OFBIZ-12489
> > URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-12489
> > Project: OFBiz
> > Issue Type: Improvement
> > Components: product/catalog
> > Affects Versions: Upcoming Branch
> > Reporter: Pierre Smits
> > Assignee: Pierre Smits
> > Priority: Major
> > Labels: permissions, price, product, trust, usability, ux
> > Fix For: Upcoming Branch
> >
> >
> > Currently, a user with only 'VIEW' permissions, as demonstrated in trunk
> demo with userId = auditor, accessing the product prices screen, sees
> editable fields and/or triggers (to requests) reserved for users with
> 'CREATE' or 'UPDATE' permissions.
> > See (test with):
> https://localhost:8443/catalog/control/EditProductPrices?productId=WG-9943
>
>
>
> --
> This message was sent by Atlassian Jira
> (v8.20.1#820001)
>
Re: [jira] [Commented] (OFBIZ-12489) Product Prices - VIEW permissions
Posted by Scott Gray <sc...@hotwaxsystems.com>.
I just want to make it clear to anyone reading that actually yes, there has
been discussion in the past about understanding the context of labels and
that the same word in English can mean different things depending on that
context. For this reason labels shouldn't be merged when they are used for
different contexts, ideally the label key would be clear about the context
a label is being used in.
Michael is currently one of the few committers actively performing code
reviews and to claim he is trolling is an insult to the time he is
volunteering and achieves nothing but to harm the project and community.
My two cents.
Regards
Scott
On Tue, 25 Jan 2022, 14:01 Pierre Smits, <pi...@apache.org> wrote:
> Michael,
>
> I told you before in (other) tickets to stop trolling me through your
> complaints in the tickets I am working on. You continue to do this.
> Your remarks about you not committing the code contributions of
> unprivileged contributors are totally inappropriate. Not appropriate in
> ticket comments, nor in the mailing lists of the project. Nobody is
> strong-arming you to commit or merge improvements. Nobody is expecting you
> ever will.
> Stop trying to pressure fellow contributors, collaborating to improve
> OFBiz, to follow your dictate by your attempt to frame a narrative that
> there is an agreement about how contributors are to contribute what, where
> and when.
> Such narrative is solely intended to dictate the direction of the project
> for your self serving purposes, resulting in alienating fellow contributors
> from collaborating in the OFBiz project to get improvements into its
> repositories.
>
> There has never been such an agreement on how, what, where and when to
> contribute in the OFBiz community. Nor on the specific subject of what the
> correct translation label that is to be used in OFBiz screens and forms.
> No discussion on that latter subject has ever been started on the dev
> mailing list, nor is there any series of postings on that list that could
> lead to someone being able to claim that a kind of consensus could be
> derived from such a thread.
>
> It appears, IMO, that you don't want what is for the good of the public
> through the deliverables of the OFBiz project.
> Your business needs and goals are not the concerns of the project, nor the
> concerns of the contributors not paid by you(r company).
> You keep your Ecomify rules re OFBiz to yourself and for your employees,
> instead of presenting them as rules (or agreements) of the project. In this
> project there are no such 'contribution' rules.
> There are only guidelines, and precedents established over time within the
> project. And these indicate that anything goes.
>
> If you want to change what the way is how contributions are done to the
> project, you start a discussion on the dev mailing list of the project and
> work that discussion towards a consensus. Alternatively you follow the lead
> of what many of your fellow privileged contributors do in this project
> nowadays.
>
> Again: s*top trolling me*. You bring nothing new to the tickets I am
> working. Keep your complaints to yourself, or use them to create a positive
> change to the project that will make OFBiz more appealing, more
> trustworthy, attracting a greater diversity of contributors instead of a
> negative change.
>
> If you want to improve OFBiz, go work the tickets that have your name as
> the assignee to a successful conclusion (or take those of the contributors
> paid by your company, or - if that is all done - take those that are
> unassigned as there are plenty of possibilities there), instead of
> harassing fellow contributors and me collaborating to improve OFBiz.
>
>
>
> Pierre Smits
> *Proud* *contributor** of* Apache OFBiz <https://ofbiz.apache.org/> since
> 2008 (without privileges)
> Proud contributor to the ASF since 2006
>
> *Apache Directory <https://directory.apache.org>, PMC Member*
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 3:57 PM Michael Brohl (Jira) <ji...@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
> >
> > [
> >
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-12489?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=17481153#comment-17481153
> > ]
> >
> > Michael Brohl commented on OFBIZ-12489:
> > ---------------------------------------
> >
> > Thanks Jacques.
> >
> > I think you misunderstood my point respectively I made myself not clear
> > enough. I know that we agreed upon the use of common labels vs. specific
> > labels and simply put a reminder to give context. I didn't meant to say
> > that you don't care about labels and I'm sorry if it came across this
> way.
> >
> > I totally agree with your statement "I have always thought that example
> is
> > better than commanding."
> >
> > In this case, I do not think the lack of example is the problem. We've
> > spent a lot of energy together to explain the points with common vs.
> > specific labels and quite a few issues were resolved as "Won't do" in
> this
> > course.
> >
> > Being unfair was in no way targeted to you but to the contributor who
> > seems to intentionally ignore past decisions and still tries to sneak in
> > his point of view through contributions, often not even mentioning those
> > changes in the commit messages.
> >
> > As a result, I won't commit those changes but insist that the contributor
> > does the correction before the changes go to the codebase. Why should
> > anyone else be bothered with this task than the contributor himself?
> >
> > Not sure if it will be a lesson because it had no consequences for the
> > contributor. Where's the learning effect then?
> >
> > I will spent my time reviewing and commenting the PR's which I did the
> > last days. I'm not sure if I am able or willing to spent my time
> correcting
> > things which easily could have been avoided in the first place, we will
> see.
> >
> > > Product Prices - VIEW permissions
> > > ---------------------------------
> > >
> > > Key: OFBIZ-12489
> > > URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-12489
> > > Project: OFBiz
> > > Issue Type: Improvement
> > > Components: product/catalog
> > > Affects Versions: Upcoming Branch
> > > Reporter: Pierre Smits
> > > Assignee: Pierre Smits
> > > Priority: Major
> > > Labels: permissions, price, product, trust, usability, ux
> > > Fix For: Upcoming Branch
> > >
> > >
> > > Currently, a user with only 'VIEW' permissions, as demonstrated in
> trunk
> > demo with userId = auditor, accessing the product prices screen, sees
> > editable fields and/or triggers (to requests) reserved for users with
> > 'CREATE' or 'UPDATE' permissions.
> > > See (test with):
> >
> https://localhost:8443/catalog/control/EditProductPrices?productId=WG-9943
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > This message was sent by Atlassian Jira
> > (v8.20.1#820001)
> >
>
Re: [jira] [Commented] (OFBIZ-12489) Product Prices - VIEW permissions
Posted by Jacopo Cappellato <ja...@gmail.com>.
I want to personally thank Michael Brohl for the thorough and valuable
reviews.
I also greatly respect Michael for his wisdom and patience to ignore such
troublesome posts.
Thank you,
Jacopo
On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 9:40 AM Pierre Smits <pi...@apache.org> wrote:
> My thanks goes out to those members of the OFBiz PMC who recognised (and
> agreed with me) that volunteers feeling attacked ("trolled") by feedback of
> PMC and ASF Member Michael Brohl is detrimental to the health of the
> project,.
>
> His behaviour, as displayed in various comments on tickets and pull
> requests over the past two months, has caused engagement of and healthy,
> constructive discussions between collaborating volunteers to not only
> decline, but also swing like a pendulum. Making it more difficult for
> collaborating contributors to come to conclusions and consensus to move
> forward.
> Thanks for recognising, like me, that the heated and fruitless debates
> caused by this behaviour is a waste of my and fellow contributors' precious
> time.
>
> I trust that talks within the PMC has shown Michael the error of his ways,
> and can learn from this.. And I hope that, now this has been addressed, the
> community can come back together and get healed. Leading to more happy
> collaborations working towards a better community and its works with each
> of the engaging interactions.
>
> I also thank the members of the ASF who stepped up and advised the members
> of the OFBiz PMC, regarding the inappropriate behaviour of Michael Brohl.
>
>
> Met vriendelijke groet,
>
> Pierre Smits
> *Proud* *contributor** of* Apache OFBiz <https://ofbiz.apache.org/> since
> 2008 (without privileges)
> Proud contributor to the ASF since 2006
> *Apache Directory <https://directory.apache.org>, PMC Member*
>
> Anyone could have been you, whereas I've always been anyone.
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 9:06 PM Jacopo Cappellato <
> jacopo.cappellato@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Pierre,
> >
> > The OFBiz PMC has reviewed your complaints and has received some advice
> > from various ASF members: with this response we are implementing some of
> > those.
> > The PMC considers troublesome the fact that you feel attacked ("trolled")
> > by the feedback you receive by Michael (and possibly others) and that you
> > consider the feedback being "inappropriate", because it prevents any
> > possibility to discuss your contributions in a constructive manner, it
> > leads to heated and fruitless debates that may be unhealthy for the OFBiz
> > community and a waste of time for its contributors.
> >
> > The PMC has thus decided to ask the project's volunteers (PMC members,
> > committers and contributors) to put "on hold" or reject or disregard any
> > of your contributions, such as code, documentation, mailing list
> > discussions
> > etc. and close Jira issues and pull requests that are not straightforward
> > and require further interactions/discussions with you before they can be
> > approved or accepted.
> >
> > On behalf of the Apache OFBiz PMC,
> >
> > Jacopo
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 2:01 AM Pierre Smits <pi...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Michael,
> >>
> >> I told you before in (other) tickets to stop trolling me through your
> >> complaints in the tickets I am working on. You continue to do this.
> >> Your remarks about you not committing the code contributions of
> >> unprivileged contributors are totally inappropriate. Not appropriate in
> >> ticket comments, nor in the mailing lists of the project. Nobody is
> >> strong-arming you to commit or merge improvements. Nobody is expecting
> you
> >> ever will.
> >> Stop trying to pressure fellow contributors, collaborating to improve
> >> OFBiz, to follow your dictate by your attempt to frame a narrative that
> >> there is an agreement about how contributors are to contribute what,
> where
> >> and when.
> >> Such narrative is solely intended to dictate the direction of the
> project
> >> for your self serving purposes, resulting in alienating fellow
> >> contributors
> >> from collaborating in the OFBiz project to get improvements into its
> >> repositories.
> >>
> >> There has never been such an agreement on how, what, where and when to
> >> contribute in the OFBiz community. Nor on the specific subject of what
> the
> >> correct translation label that is to be used in OFBiz screens and forms.
> >> No discussion on that latter subject has ever been started on the dev
> >> mailing list, nor is there any series of postings on that list that
> could
> >> lead to someone being able to claim that a kind of consensus could be
> >> derived from such a thread.
> >>
> >> It appears, IMO, that you don't want what is for the good of the public
> >> through the deliverables of the OFBiz project.
> >> Your business needs and goals are not the concerns of the project, nor
> the
> >> concerns of the contributors not paid by you(r company).
> >> You keep your Ecomify rules re OFBiz to yourself and for your employees,
> >> instead of presenting them as rules (or agreements) of the project. In
> >> this
> >> project there are no such 'contribution' rules.
> >> There are only guidelines, and precedents established over time within
> the
> >> project. And these indicate that anything goes.
> >>
> >> If you want to change what the way is how contributions are done to the
> >> project, you start a discussion on the dev mailing list of the project
> and
> >> work that discussion towards a consensus. Alternatively you follow the
> >> lead
> >> of what many of your fellow privileged contributors do in this project
> >> nowadays.
> >>
> >> Again: s*top trolling me*. You bring nothing new to the tickets I am
> >> working. Keep your complaints to yourself, or use them to create a
> >> positive
> >> change to the project that will make OFBiz more appealing, more
> >> trustworthy, attracting a greater diversity of contributors instead of a
> >> negative change.
> >>
> >> If you want to improve OFBiz, go work the tickets that have your name as
> >> the assignee to a successful conclusion (or take those of the
> contributors
> >> paid by your company, or - if that is all done - take those that are
> >> unassigned as there are plenty of possibilities there), instead of
> >> harassing fellow contributors and me collaborating to improve OFBiz.
> >>
> >> Pierre Smits
> >> *Proud* *contributor** of* Apache OFBiz <https://ofbiz.apache.org/>
> since
> >> 2008 (without privileges)
> >> Proud contributor to the ASF since 2006
> >>
> >> *Apache Directory <https://directory.apache.org>, PMC Member*
> >>
> >
>
Re: [jira] [Commented] (OFBIZ-12489) Product Prices - VIEW permissions
Posted by Pierre Smits <pi...@apache.org>.
My thanks goes out to those members of the OFBiz PMC who recognised (and
agreed with me) that volunteers feeling attacked ("trolled") by feedback of
PMC and ASF Member Michael Brohl is detrimental to the health of the
project,.
His behaviour, as displayed in various comments on tickets and pull
requests over the past two months, has caused engagement of and healthy,
constructive discussions between collaborating volunteers to not only
decline, but also swing like a pendulum. Making it more difficult for
collaborating contributors to come to conclusions and consensus to move
forward.
Thanks for recognising, like me, that the heated and fruitless debates
caused by this behaviour is a waste of my and fellow contributors' precious
time.
I trust that talks within the PMC has shown Michael the error of his ways,
and can learn from this.. And I hope that, now this has been addressed, the
community can come back together and get healed. Leading to more happy
collaborations working towards a better community and its works with each
of the engaging interactions.
I also thank the members of the ASF who stepped up and advised the members
of the OFBiz PMC, regarding the inappropriate behaviour of Michael Brohl.
Met vriendelijke groet,
Pierre Smits
*Proud* *contributor** of* Apache OFBiz <https://ofbiz.apache.org/> since
2008 (without privileges)
Proud contributor to the ASF since 2006
*Apache Directory <https://directory.apache.org>, PMC Member*
Anyone could have been you, whereas I've always been anyone.
On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 9:06 PM Jacopo Cappellato <
jacopo.cappellato@gmail.com> wrote:
> Pierre,
>
> The OFBiz PMC has reviewed your complaints and has received some advice
> from various ASF members: with this response we are implementing some of
> those.
> The PMC considers troublesome the fact that you feel attacked ("trolled")
> by the feedback you receive by Michael (and possibly others) and that you
> consider the feedback being "inappropriate", because it prevents any
> possibility to discuss your contributions in a constructive manner, it
> leads to heated and fruitless debates that may be unhealthy for the OFBiz
> community and a waste of time for its contributors.
>
> The PMC has thus decided to ask the project's volunteers (PMC members,
> committers and contributors) to put "on hold" or reject or disregard any
> of your contributions, such as code, documentation, mailing list
> discussions
> etc. and close Jira issues and pull requests that are not straightforward
> and require further interactions/discussions with you before they can be
> approved or accepted.
>
> On behalf of the Apache OFBiz PMC,
>
> Jacopo
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 2:01 AM Pierre Smits <pi...@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Michael,
>>
>> I told you before in (other) tickets to stop trolling me through your
>> complaints in the tickets I am working on. You continue to do this.
>> Your remarks about you not committing the code contributions of
>> unprivileged contributors are totally inappropriate. Not appropriate in
>> ticket comments, nor in the mailing lists of the project. Nobody is
>> strong-arming you to commit or merge improvements. Nobody is expecting you
>> ever will.
>> Stop trying to pressure fellow contributors, collaborating to improve
>> OFBiz, to follow your dictate by your attempt to frame a narrative that
>> there is an agreement about how contributors are to contribute what, where
>> and when.
>> Such narrative is solely intended to dictate the direction of the project
>> for your self serving purposes, resulting in alienating fellow
>> contributors
>> from collaborating in the OFBiz project to get improvements into its
>> repositories.
>>
>> There has never been such an agreement on how, what, where and when to
>> contribute in the OFBiz community. Nor on the specific subject of what the
>> correct translation label that is to be used in OFBiz screens and forms.
>> No discussion on that latter subject has ever been started on the dev
>> mailing list, nor is there any series of postings on that list that could
>> lead to someone being able to claim that a kind of consensus could be
>> derived from such a thread.
>>
>> It appears, IMO, that you don't want what is for the good of the public
>> through the deliverables of the OFBiz project.
>> Your business needs and goals are not the concerns of the project, nor the
>> concerns of the contributors not paid by you(r company).
>> You keep your Ecomify rules re OFBiz to yourself and for your employees,
>> instead of presenting them as rules (or agreements) of the project. In
>> this
>> project there are no such 'contribution' rules.
>> There are only guidelines, and precedents established over time within the
>> project. And these indicate that anything goes.
>>
>> If you want to change what the way is how contributions are done to the
>> project, you start a discussion on the dev mailing list of the project and
>> work that discussion towards a consensus. Alternatively you follow the
>> lead
>> of what many of your fellow privileged contributors do in this project
>> nowadays.
>>
>> Again: s*top trolling me*. You bring nothing new to the tickets I am
>> working. Keep your complaints to yourself, or use them to create a
>> positive
>> change to the project that will make OFBiz more appealing, more
>> trustworthy, attracting a greater diversity of contributors instead of a
>> negative change.
>>
>> If you want to improve OFBiz, go work the tickets that have your name as
>> the assignee to a successful conclusion (or take those of the contributors
>> paid by your company, or - if that is all done - take those that are
>> unassigned as there are plenty of possibilities there), instead of
>> harassing fellow contributors and me collaborating to improve OFBiz.
>>
>> Pierre Smits
>> *Proud* *contributor** of* Apache OFBiz <https://ofbiz.apache.org/> since
>> 2008 (without privileges)
>> Proud contributor to the ASF since 2006
>>
>> *Apache Directory <https://directory.apache.org>, PMC Member*
>>
>
Re: [jira] [Commented] (OFBIZ-12489) Product Prices - VIEW permissions
Posted by Jacopo Cappellato <ja...@gmail.com>.
Pierre,
The OFBiz PMC has reviewed your complaints and has received some advice
from various ASF members: with this response we are implementing some of
those.
The PMC considers troublesome the fact that you feel attacked ("trolled")
by the feedback you receive by Michael (and possibly others) and that you
consider the feedback being "inappropriate", because it prevents any
possibility to discuss your contributions in a constructive manner, it
leads to heated and fruitless debates that may be unhealthy for the OFBiz
community and a waste of time for its contributors.
The PMC has thus decided to ask the project's volunteers (PMC members,
committers and contributors) to put "on hold" or reject or disregard any
of your contributions, such as code, documentation, mailing list discussions
etc. and close Jira issues and pull requests that are not straightforward
and require further interactions/discussions with you before they can be
approved or accepted.
On behalf of the Apache OFBiz PMC,
Jacopo
On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 2:01 AM Pierre Smits <pi...@apache.org> wrote:
> Michael,
>
> I told you before in (other) tickets to stop trolling me through your
> complaints in the tickets I am working on. You continue to do this.
> Your remarks about you not committing the code contributions of
> unprivileged contributors are totally inappropriate. Not appropriate in
> ticket comments, nor in the mailing lists of the project. Nobody is
> strong-arming you to commit or merge improvements. Nobody is expecting you
> ever will.
> Stop trying to pressure fellow contributors, collaborating to improve
> OFBiz, to follow your dictate by your attempt to frame a narrative that
> there is an agreement about how contributors are to contribute what, where
> and when.
> Such narrative is solely intended to dictate the direction of the project
> for your self serving purposes, resulting in alienating fellow contributors
> from collaborating in the OFBiz project to get improvements into its
> repositories.
>
> There has never been such an agreement on how, what, where and when to
> contribute in the OFBiz community. Nor on the specific subject of what the
> correct translation label that is to be used in OFBiz screens and forms.
> No discussion on that latter subject has ever been started on the dev
> mailing list, nor is there any series of postings on that list that could
> lead to someone being able to claim that a kind of consensus could be
> derived from such a thread.
>
> It appears, IMO, that you don't want what is for the good of the public
> through the deliverables of the OFBiz project.
> Your business needs and goals are not the concerns of the project, nor the
> concerns of the contributors not paid by you(r company).
> You keep your Ecomify rules re OFBiz to yourself and for your employees,
> instead of presenting them as rules (or agreements) of the project. In this
> project there are no such 'contribution' rules.
> There are only guidelines, and precedents established over time within the
> project. And these indicate that anything goes.
>
> If you want to change what the way is how contributions are done to the
> project, you start a discussion on the dev mailing list of the project and
> work that discussion towards a consensus. Alternatively you follow the lead
> of what many of your fellow privileged contributors do in this project
> nowadays.
>
> Again: s*top trolling me*. You bring nothing new to the tickets I am
> working. Keep your complaints to yourself, or use them to create a positive
> change to the project that will make OFBiz more appealing, more
> trustworthy, attracting a greater diversity of contributors instead of a
> negative change.
>
> If you want to improve OFBiz, go work the tickets that have your name as
> the assignee to a successful conclusion (or take those of the contributors
> paid by your company, or - if that is all done - take those that are
> unassigned as there are plenty of possibilities there), instead of
> harassing fellow contributors and me collaborating to improve OFBiz.
>
> Pierre Smits
> *Proud* *contributor** of* Apache OFBiz <https://ofbiz.apache.org/> since
> 2008 (without privileges)
> Proud contributor to the ASF since 2006
>
> *Apache Directory <https://directory.apache.org>, PMC Member*
>