[DISCUSS] Next steps for the community

[Joe Witt <jo...@apache.org>]

Team,

We appear to have lost momentum.  The last substantive email I see in
the mailing lists is in Dec 2016 from a contributor attempting to
contribute a PR but no reply.  The last significant code commit into
the repo was early Nov 2016 and really trailed off in Oct 2016.

It will be important to either work to rebuild momentum or consider
retirement as outlined here [1].  In our last report it was noted by
one mentor that activity has dropped off.  With our incubator report
due next month we should aim to have a more definitive path in play.

[1] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/retirement.html

Thanks
Joe

Re: [DISCUSS] Next steps for the community

[Josh Elser <el...@apache.org>]

Superb -- thanks for the acknowledgement!

Ellison Anne Williams wrote:
> Agreed that folks have been pretty busy lately and activity has declined. I
> want to think through the options and issues that Joe and Josh have raised
> and will come back with my thoughts early next week.
>
> On Sat, Feb 4, 2017 at 2:30 PM, Josh Elser<el...@apache.org>  wrote:
>
>> Well put, Joe.
>>
>> (Btw, I was that mentor mentioned previously)
>>
>> While I'm not always eyes-on with low latency, I do try to be eyes-on
>> eventually. The concerns that Joe has raised saved me the trouble of
>> raising this concern myself in the near future.
>>
>> The issue with this happening to an early-life podling is that there is no
>> one else keep things going. When people move on, the reality is retirement
>> at the ASF. This isn't meant to be a threat or similar, just a hard truth.
>>
>> If there's anything I've come to appreciate more as of late, it's that
>> software truly is the easy part of an ASF project. Cultivating growth in a
>> way that attracts and encourages new participation is extremely difficult
>> and time consuming. Couple this with the fact that software itself is still
>> very difficult leads to people being stretched thin (completely ignoring
>> personal and professional happenings)
>>
>> Again, this isn't meant to be a threat, just a gentle of a push that this
>> is a big warning sign from (some of) your mentors. We're all here to help
>> you succeed, but it's very tough for us to do that when there's only
>> silence.
>>
>> - Josh
>>
>> On Feb 4, 2017 09:10, "Joe Witt"<jo...@apache.org>  wrote:
>>
>>> Team,
>>>
>>> We appear to have lost momentum.  The last substantive email I see in
>>> the mailing lists is in Dec 2016 from a contributor attempting to
>>> contribute a PR but no reply.  The last significant code commit into
>>> the repo was early Nov 2016 and really trailed off in Oct 2016.
>>>
>>> It will be important to either work to rebuild momentum or consider
>>> retirement as outlined here [1].  In our last report it was noted by
>>> one mentor that activity has dropped off.  With our incubator report
>>> due next month we should aim to have a more definitive path in play.
>>>
>>> [1] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/retirement.html
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Joe
>>>
>

Re: [DISCUSS] Next steps for the community

[Ellison Anne Williams <ea...@apache.org>]

Agreed that folks have been pretty busy lately and activity has declined. I
want to think through the options and issues that Joe and Josh have raised
and will come back with my thoughts early next week.

On Sat, Feb 4, 2017 at 2:30 PM, Josh Elser <el...@apache.org> wrote:

> Well put, Joe.
>
> (Btw, I was that mentor mentioned previously)
>
> While I'm not always eyes-on with low latency, I do try to be eyes-on
> eventually. The concerns that Joe has raised saved me the trouble of
> raising this concern myself in the near future.
>
> The issue with this happening to an early-life podling is that there is no
> one else keep things going. When people move on, the reality is retirement
> at the ASF. This isn't meant to be a threat or similar, just a hard truth.
>
> If there's anything I've come to appreciate more as of late, it's that
> software truly is the easy part of an ASF project. Cultivating growth in a
> way that attracts and encourages new participation is extremely difficult
> and time consuming. Couple this with the fact that software itself is still
> very difficult leads to people being stretched thin (completely ignoring
> personal and professional happenings)
>
> Again, this isn't meant to be a threat, just a gentle of a push that this
> is a big warning sign from (some of) your mentors. We're all here to help
> you succeed, but it's very tough for us to do that when there's only
> silence.
>
> - Josh
>
> On Feb 4, 2017 09:10, "Joe Witt" <jo...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > Team,
> >
> > We appear to have lost momentum.  The last substantive email I see in
> > the mailing lists is in Dec 2016 from a contributor attempting to
> > contribute a PR but no reply.  The last significant code commit into
> > the repo was early Nov 2016 and really trailed off in Oct 2016.
> >
> > It will be important to either work to rebuild momentum or consider
> > retirement as outlined here [1].  In our last report it was noted by
> > one mentor that activity has dropped off.  With our incubator report
> > due next month we should aim to have a more definitive path in play.
> >
> > [1] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/retirement.html
> >
> > Thanks
> > Joe
> >
>

Re: [DISCUSS] Next steps for the community

[Josh Elser <el...@apache.org>]

Well put, Joe.

(Btw, I was that mentor mentioned previously)

While I'm not always eyes-on with low latency, I do try to be eyes-on
eventually. The concerns that Joe has raised saved me the trouble of
raising this concern myself in the near future.

The issue with this happening to an early-life podling is that there is no
one else keep things going. When people move on, the reality is retirement
at the ASF. This isn't meant to be a threat or similar, just a hard truth.

If there's anything I've come to appreciate more as of late, it's that
software truly is the easy part of an ASF project. Cultivating growth in a
way that attracts and encourages new participation is extremely difficult
and time consuming. Couple this with the fact that software itself is still
very difficult leads to people being stretched thin (completely ignoring
personal and professional happenings)

Again, this isn't meant to be a threat, just a gentle of a push that this
is a big warning sign from (some of) your mentors. We're all here to help
you succeed, but it's very tough for us to do that when there's only
silence.

- Josh

On Feb 4, 2017 09:10, "Joe Witt" <jo...@apache.org> wrote:

> Team,
>
> We appear to have lost momentum.  The last substantive email I see in
> the mailing lists is in Dec 2016 from a contributor attempting to
> contribute a PR but no reply.  The last significant code commit into
> the repo was early Nov 2016 and really trailed off in Oct 2016.
>
> It will be important to either work to rebuild momentum or consider
> retirement as outlined here [1].  In our last report it was noted by
> one mentor that activity has dropped off.  With our incubator report
> due next month we should aim to have a more definitive path in play.
>
> [1] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/retirement.html
>
> Thanks
> Joe
>

Re: [DISCUSS] Next steps for the community

[Suneel Marthi <sm...@apache.org>]

i have a jira assigned for adding flink streaming support to Pirk which i
plan to do work on over the next few weeks, other than that I think we
would need some short term roadmap to keep some level of activity and
momentum.

I know Tim was gonna be adding REST api calls.





On Sun, Feb 19, 2017 at 3:18 PM, Ellison Anne Williams <
eawilliams@apache.org> wrote:

> As evidenced by my long delayed response, I am pretty tied up with other
> endeavors at the moment and unfortunately don't have much time to devote to
> Pirk. I'm seeing that others are also largely in the same boat. As Tim
> noted, I expect this to ease over time, but I have no idea of the
> timeframe.
>
> That said, are there any other folks within the current community that are
> able to commit substantial contributions on a regular basis?
>
> On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 3:56 PM, Suneel Marthi <sm...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > I would like to echo Tim as both a Developer and Mentor.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 3:30 PM, Tim Ellison <t....@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks for raising this Joe. I have been meaning to say something
> > similar.
> > >
> > > For what it is worth, speaking as a developer (rather than a mentor), I
> > > would definitely like to see Pirk continue and I would like to continue
> > > contributing. A combination of personal and work pressures have
> prevented
> > > that over the last couple of months, but I expect those to ease in
> time.
> > >
> > > Of course, I realise that the promise of "just one more enthusiastic
> > > developer" isn't enough to keep the project momentum going, but I did
> > want
> > > to go on record as such :)
> > >
> > > As a mentor I will help and support the community decision about our
> > > future.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Tim
> > >
> > > On 4 Feb 2017 15:10, "Joe Witt" <jo...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > Team,
> > >
> > > We appear to have lost momentum.  The last substantive email I see in
> > > the mailing lists is in Dec 2016 from a contributor attempting to
> > > contribute a PR but no reply.  The last significant code commit into
> > > the repo was early Nov 2016 and really trailed off in Oct 2016.
> > >
> > > It will be important to either work to rebuild momentum or consider
> > > retirement as outlined here [1].  In our last report it was noted by
> > > one mentor that activity has dropped off.  With our incubator report
> > > due next month we should aim to have a more definitive path in play.
> > >
> > > [1] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/retirement.html
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Joe
> > >
> >
>

Re: [DISCUSS] Next steps for the community

[Ellison Anne Williams <ea...@apache.org>]

As evidenced by my long delayed response, I am pretty tied up with other
endeavors at the moment and unfortunately don't have much time to devote to
Pirk. I'm seeing that others are also largely in the same boat. As Tim
noted, I expect this to ease over time, but I have no idea of the
timeframe.

That said, are there any other folks within the current community that are
able to commit substantial contributions on a regular basis?

On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 3:56 PM, Suneel Marthi <sm...@apache.org> wrote:

> I would like to echo Tim as both a Developer and Mentor.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 3:30 PM, Tim Ellison <t....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Thanks for raising this Joe. I have been meaning to say something
> similar.
> >
> > For what it is worth, speaking as a developer (rather than a mentor), I
> > would definitely like to see Pirk continue and I would like to continue
> > contributing. A combination of personal and work pressures have prevented
> > that over the last couple of months, but I expect those to ease in time.
> >
> > Of course, I realise that the promise of "just one more enthusiastic
> > developer" isn't enough to keep the project momentum going, but I did
> want
> > to go on record as such :)
> >
> > As a mentor I will help and support the community decision about our
> > future.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Tim
> >
> > On 4 Feb 2017 15:10, "Joe Witt" <jo...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > Team,
> >
> > We appear to have lost momentum.  The last substantive email I see in
> > the mailing lists is in Dec 2016 from a contributor attempting to
> > contribute a PR but no reply.  The last significant code commit into
> > the repo was early Nov 2016 and really trailed off in Oct 2016.
> >
> > It will be important to either work to rebuild momentum or consider
> > retirement as outlined here [1].  In our last report it was noted by
> > one mentor that activity has dropped off.  With our incubator report
> > due next month we should aim to have a more definitive path in play.
> >
> > [1] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/retirement.html
> >
> > Thanks
> > Joe
> >
>

Re: [DISCUSS] Next steps for the community

[Suneel Marthi <sm...@apache.org>]

I would like to echo Tim as both a Developer and Mentor.



On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 3:30 PM, Tim Ellison <t....@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks for raising this Joe. I have been meaning to say something similar.
>
> For what it is worth, speaking as a developer (rather than a mentor), I
> would definitely like to see Pirk continue and I would like to continue
> contributing. A combination of personal and work pressures have prevented
> that over the last couple of months, but I expect those to ease in time.
>
> Of course, I realise that the promise of "just one more enthusiastic
> developer" isn't enough to keep the project momentum going, but I did want
> to go on record as such :)
>
> As a mentor I will help and support the community decision about our
> future.
>
> Regards,
> Tim
>
> On 4 Feb 2017 15:10, "Joe Witt" <jo...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Team,
>
> We appear to have lost momentum.  The last substantive email I see in
> the mailing lists is in Dec 2016 from a contributor attempting to
> contribute a PR but no reply.  The last significant code commit into
> the repo was early Nov 2016 and really trailed off in Oct 2016.
>
> It will be important to either work to rebuild momentum or consider
> retirement as outlined here [1].  In our last report it was noted by
> one mentor that activity has dropped off.  With our incubator report
> due next month we should aim to have a more definitive path in play.
>
> [1] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/retirement.html
>
> Thanks
> Joe
>

Re: [DISCUSS] Next steps for the community

[Tim Ellison <t....@gmail.com>]

Thanks for raising this Joe. I have been meaning to say something similar.

For what it is worth, speaking as a developer (rather than a mentor), I
would definitely like to see Pirk continue and I would like to continue
contributing. A combination of personal and work pressures have prevented
that over the last couple of months, but I expect those to ease in time.

Of course, I realise that the promise of "just one more enthusiastic
developer" isn't enough to keep the project momentum going, but I did want
to go on record as such :)

As a mentor I will help and support the community decision about our
future.

Regards,
Tim

On 4 Feb 2017 15:10, "Joe Witt" <jo...@apache.org> wrote:

Team,

We appear to have lost momentum.  The last substantive email I see in
the mailing lists is in Dec 2016 from a contributor attempting to
contribute a PR but no reply.  The last significant code commit into
the repo was early Nov 2016 and really trailed off in Oct 2016.

It will be important to either work to rebuild momentum or consider
retirement as outlined here [1].  In our last report it was noted by
one mentor that activity has dropped off.  With our incubator report
due next month we should aim to have a more definitive path in play.

[1] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/retirement.html

Thanks
Joe