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Posted to users@cloudstack.apache.org by Tim Mackey <tm...@gmail.com> on 2014/03/18 16:40:04 UTC
[PROPOSAL] Support pure Xen as a hypervisor
Historically CloudStack has used Xen and XenServer interchangeably to refer
to any XenAPI based implementation. With the recent release of Xen Project
4.4 (http://blog.xen.org/index.php/2014/03/10/xen-4-4-released/), and
interest in alternate architectures like ARM, the loose definition of our
Xen support could be confusing. In this two part effort I propose that
CloudStack 4.4 be cleansed to ensure that all Xen references become
XenServer references, and second that an alternate hypervisor type of
"XenProject" be introduced for pure Xen which could either support libvirt
or libxl (preference for libvirt given the 4.4 work to improve the
interface and broader support for libvirt in general).
Cross posted to users to for broader comment.
-tim
Re: [PROPOSAL] Support pure Xen as a hypervisor
Posted by Nguyen Anh Tu <tu...@apache.org>.
On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 2:56 PM, sebgoa <ru...@gmail.com> wrote:
> IMHO, and sadly, we should treat them as two different hypervisors: XP and
> XS
Look like Docker and LXC :D
--Tuna
Re: [PROPOSAL] Support pure Xen as a hypervisor
Posted by sebgoa <ru...@gmail.com>.
On Mar 19, 2014, at 7:04 AM, Prasanna Santhanam <ts...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 11:40:04AM -0400, Tim Mackey wrote:
>> Historically CloudStack has used Xen and XenServer interchangeably to refer
>> to any XenAPI based implementation. With the recent release of Xen Project
>> 4.4 (http://blog.xen.org/index.php/2014/03/10/xen-4-4-released/), and
>> interest in alternate architectures like ARM, the loose definition of our
>> Xen support could be confusing. In this two part effort I propose that
>> CloudStack 4.4 be cleansed to ensure that all Xen references become
>> XenServer references, and second that an alternate hypervisor type of
>> "XenProject" be introduced for pure Xen which could either support libvirt
>> or libxl (preference for libvirt given the 4.4 work to improve the
>> interface and broader support for libvirt in general).
>>
>> Cross posted to users to for broader comment.
>
> Just wondering - will the new Xen be the basis for all XenServer and
> XCP references i.e. will they inherit and extend Xen or will Xen be
> altogether different in this proposal? Looking forward to the wiki page.
IMHO, and sadly, we should treat them as two different hypervisors: XP and XS.
>
>>
>> -tim
>
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Support pure Xen as a hypervisor
Posted by Prasanna Santhanam <ts...@apache.org>.
On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 11:40:04AM -0400, Tim Mackey wrote:
> Historically CloudStack has used Xen and XenServer interchangeably to refer
> to any XenAPI based implementation. With the recent release of Xen Project
> 4.4 (http://blog.xen.org/index.php/2014/03/10/xen-4-4-released/), and
> interest in alternate architectures like ARM, the loose definition of our
> Xen support could be confusing. In this two part effort I propose that
> CloudStack 4.4 be cleansed to ensure that all Xen references become
> XenServer references, and second that an alternate hypervisor type of
> "XenProject" be introduced for pure Xen which could either support libvirt
> or libxl (preference for libvirt given the 4.4 work to improve the
> interface and broader support for libvirt in general).
>
> Cross posted to users to for broader comment.
Just wondering - will the new Xen be the basis for all XenServer and
XCP references i.e. will they inherit and extend Xen or will Xen be
altogether different in this proposal? Looking forward to the wiki page.
>
> -tim
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Support pure Xen as a hypervisor
Posted by John Kinsella <jl...@stratosec.co>.
+1
On Mar 18, 2014, at 8:40 AM, Tim Mackey <tm...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Historically CloudStack has used Xen and XenServer interchangeably to refer
to any XenAPI based implementation. With the recent release of Xen Project
4.4 (http://blog.xen.org/index.php/2014/03/10/xen-4-4-released/), and
interest in alternate architectures like ARM, the loose definition of our
Xen support could be confusing. In this two part effort I propose that
CloudStack 4.4 be cleansed to ensure that all Xen references become
XenServer references, and second that an alternate hypervisor type of
"XenProject" be introduced for pure Xen which could either support libvirt
or libxl (preference for libvirt given the 4.4 work to improve the
interface and broader support for libvirt in general).
Cross posted to users to for broader comment.
-tim
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Support pure Xen as a hypervisor
Posted by Nux! <nu...@li.nux.ro>.
On 18.03.2014 16:48, sebgoa wrote:
> +1 in general, I am not sure what would be best between libvirt and
> libxl though.
>
> but as you know there might be a quick path to reuse the KVM agent
> and use libvirt to interact with xenproject
+1 XenProject
+1 Reuse KVM/libvirt agent
Good ideas! :)
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Support pure Xen as a hypervisor
Posted by Nux! <nu...@li.nux.ro>.
On 18.03.2014 16:48, sebgoa wrote:
> +1 in general, I am not sure what would be best between libvirt and
> libxl though.
>
> but as you know there might be a quick path to reuse the KVM agent
> and use libvirt to interact with xenproject
+1 XenProject
+1 Reuse KVM/libvirt agent
Good ideas! :)
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Nux!
www.nux.ro
Re: [PROPOSAL] Support pure Xen as a hypervisor
Posted by sebgoa <ru...@gmail.com>.
On Mar 18, 2014, at 4:40 PM, Tim Mackey <tm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Historically CloudStack has used Xen and XenServer interchangeably to refer
> to any XenAPI based implementation. With the recent release of Xen Project
> 4.4 (http://blog.xen.org/index.php/2014/03/10/xen-4-4-released/), and
> interest in alternate architectures like ARM, the loose definition of our
> Xen support could be confusing. In this two part effort I propose that
> CloudStack 4.4 be cleansed to ensure that all Xen references become
> XenServer references, and second that an alternate hypervisor type of
> "XenProject" be introduced for pure Xen which could either support libvirt
> or libxl (preference for libvirt given the 4.4 work to improve the
> interface and broader support for libvirt in general).
>
+1 in general, I am not sure what would be best between libvirt and libxl though.
but as you know there might be a quick path to reuse the KVM agent and use libvirt to interact with xenproject
> Cross posted to users to for broader comment.
>
> -tim
RE: [PROPOSAL] Support pure Xen as a hypervisor
Posted by Stephen Turner <St...@citrix.com>.
+1. I find it confusing that "Xen" is used for XenServer rather than XenProject, and I think it would be good to be explicit about which we mean in each case.
--
Stephen Turner
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From: Tim Mackey [mailto:tmackey@gmail.com]
Sent: 18 March 2014 15:40
To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org; users@cloudstack.apache.org
Subject: [PROPOSAL] Support pure Xen as a hypervisor
Historically CloudStack has used Xen and XenServer interchangeably to refer to any XenAPI based implementation. With the recent release of Xen Project
4.4 (http://blog.xen.org/index.php/2014/03/10/xen-4-4-released/), and interest in alternate architectures like ARM, the loose definition of our Xen support could be confusing. In this two part effort I propose that CloudStack 4.4 be cleansed to ensure that all Xen references become XenServer references, and second that an alternate hypervisor type of "XenProject" be introduced for pure Xen which could either support libvirt or libxl (preference for libvirt given the 4.4 work to improve the interface and broader support for libvirt in general).
Cross posted to users to for broader comment.
-tim
RE: [PROPOSAL] Support pure Xen as a hypervisor
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+1
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-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Mackey [mailto:tmackey@gmail.com]
Sent: 18 March 2014 15:40
To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org; users@cloudstack.apache.org
Subject: [PROPOSAL] Support pure Xen as a hypervisor
Historically CloudStack has used Xen and XenServer interchangeably to refer to any XenAPI based implementation. With the recent release of Xen Project
4.4 (http://blog.xen.org/index.php/2014/03/10/xen-4-4-released/), and interest in alternate architectures like ARM, the loose definition of our Xen support could be confusing. In this two part effort I propose that CloudStack 4.4 be cleansed to ensure that all Xen references become XenServer references, and second that an alternate hypervisor type of "XenProject" be introduced for pure Xen which could either support libvirt or libxl (preference for libvirt given the 4.4 work to improve the interface and broader support for libvirt in general).
Cross posted to users to for broader comment.
-tim
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Support pure Xen as a hypervisor
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On 18/03/14 12:40, "Tim Mackey" <tm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Historically CloudStack has used Xen and XenServer interchangeably to
>refer
>to any XenAPI based implementation. With the recent release of Xen
>Project
>4.4 (http://blog.xen.org/index.php/2014/03/10/xen-4-4-released/), and
>interest in alternate architectures like ARM, the loose definition of our
>Xen support could be confusing. In this two part effort I propose that
>CloudStack 4.4 be cleansed to ensure that all Xen references become
>XenServer references, and second that an alternate hypervisor type of
>"XenProject" be introduced for pure Xen which could either support libvirt
>or libxl (preference for libvirt given the 4.4 work to improve the
>interface and broader support for libvirt in general).
>
>Cross posted to users to for broader comment.
>
>-tim
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Support pure Xen as a hypervisor
Posted by Marco Sinhoreli <ma...@shapeblue.com>.
+1
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On 18/03/14 12:40, "Tim Mackey" <tm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Historically CloudStack has used Xen and XenServer interchangeably to
>refer
>to any XenAPI based implementation. With the recent release of Xen
>Project
>4.4 (http://blog.xen.org/index.php/2014/03/10/xen-4-4-released/), and
>interest in alternate architectures like ARM, the loose definition of our
>Xen support could be confusing. In this two part effort I propose that
>CloudStack 4.4 be cleansed to ensure that all Xen references become
>XenServer references, and second that an alternate hypervisor type of
>"XenProject" be introduced for pure Xen which could either support libvirt
>or libxl (preference for libvirt given the 4.4 work to improve the
>interface and broader support for libvirt in general).
>
>Cross posted to users to for broader comment.
>
>-tim
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