Maturity Model and Graduation

[Jim Jagielski <ji...@jaguNET.com>]

As a newly "minted" mentor, I'm getting my feet wet on determining where the project is and where it needs to go in order to be ready for graduation...

Has the project run the Maturity Model against itself? How do we stack up? What areas of improvement could we benefit from (this might be independent of what the MatModel sez, btw. If you have ideas on where we could be working and collaborating better, please bring them up!)?

Cheers!

Re: Maturity Model and Graduation

[Pedro Larroy <pe...@gmail.com>]

Thanks Steffen

This document looks great and to me showcases clearly the areas in which we
can improve. CO50, CO30 and IN10 standout to me in particular.

Pedro.



On Thu, Oct 4, 2018 at 6:38 PM Steffen Rochel <st...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I started a draft assessment -
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Apache+Maturity+Model+Assessment+for+MXNet
> based
> on my personal view. Please keep in mind I'm new to the project and Apache
> (just attended my first ApacheCon!!). The items I was not sure myself I
> marked as "???".
>
> Jim et all - looking for your guidance if the assessment should be
> discussed further within PPMC, on private@ and next steps.
>
> Steffen
>
> On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 1:53 PM Pedro Larroy <pedro.larroy.lists@gmail.com
> >
> wrote:
>
> > So Isabel, are you saying that if we publish a clearer TODO list or
> > contributions needed material we might get more contribution there?
> >
> > One thing that I like from other projects is to make a list of
> low-hanging
> > fruit issues or easy contributions that newcomers can pick to get
> familiar
> > with the project, especially in projects like MXNet in which some
> > contributions might require significant ramp up time, technical and
> > mathematical skills or domain knowledge.
> >
> > Pedro.
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 3:06 AM Isabel Drost-Fromm <is...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 28/09/18 11:27, kellen sunderland wrote:
> > > > I'd love to see some more
> > > > sustained contribution from other open source communities to help us
> > out
> > > in
> > > > this area
> > >
> > > That's not exactly the model I have seen to work. What I have seen
> works
> > > really well at other projects is pulling users in as committers in a
> > > scratch your own itch kind of way. For that to work you need to make it
> > > clear what contributions you need, you need to make time to coach
> people
> > > to become developers, you need to make your users accustomed to the way
> > > you work as early as possible. It also helps to ask users for
> > > contributions and offer mentoring help from your side along the way.
> > >
> > > I know that this is tedious work that needs a lot of motivating people,
> > > mentoring people, explaining to people, however it makes for a
> > > sustainable community of people that do the work out of self interest.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://blog.isabel-drost.de/posts/open-development-and-inner-source-for-fun-and-profit.html
> > >
> > >
> > > Isabel
> > >
> >
>

Re: Maturity Model and Graduation

[Steffen Rochel <st...@gmail.com>]

I started a draft assessment -
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Apache+Maturity+Model+Assessment+for+MXNet
based
on my personal view. Please keep in mind I'm new to the project and Apache
(just attended my first ApacheCon!!). The items I was not sure myself I
marked as "???".

Jim et all - looking for your guidance if the assessment should be
discussed further within PPMC, on private@ and next steps.

Steffen

On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 1:53 PM Pedro Larroy <pe...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> So Isabel, are you saying that if we publish a clearer TODO list or
> contributions needed material we might get more contribution there?
>
> One thing that I like from other projects is to make a list of low-hanging
> fruit issues or easy contributions that newcomers can pick to get familiar
> with the project, especially in projects like MXNet in which some
> contributions might require significant ramp up time, technical and
> mathematical skills or domain knowledge.
>
> Pedro.
>
> On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 3:06 AM Isabel Drost-Fromm <is...@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > On 28/09/18 11:27, kellen sunderland wrote:
> > > I'd love to see some more
> > > sustained contribution from other open source communities to help us
> out
> > in
> > > this area
> >
> > That's not exactly the model I have seen to work. What I have seen works
> > really well at other projects is pulling users in as committers in a
> > scratch your own itch kind of way. For that to work you need to make it
> > clear what contributions you need, you need to make time to coach people
> > to become developers, you need to make your users accustomed to the way
> > you work as early as possible. It also helps to ask users for
> > contributions and offer mentoring help from your side along the way.
> >
> > I know that this is tedious work that needs a lot of motivating people,
> > mentoring people, explaining to people, however it makes for a
> > sustainable community of people that do the work out of self interest.
> >
> >
> >
> http://blog.isabel-drost.de/posts/open-development-and-inner-source-for-fun-and-profit.html
> >
> >
> > Isabel
> >
>

Re: Maturity Model and Graduation

[Pedro Larroy <pe...@gmail.com>]

So Isabel, are you saying that if we publish a clearer TODO list or
contributions needed material we might get more contribution there?

One thing that I like from other projects is to make a list of low-hanging
fruit issues or easy contributions that newcomers can pick to get familiar
with the project, especially in projects like MXNet in which some
contributions might require significant ramp up time, technical and
mathematical skills or domain knowledge.

Pedro.

On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 3:06 AM Isabel Drost-Fromm <is...@apache.org>
wrote:

>
>
> On 28/09/18 11:27, kellen sunderland wrote:
> > I'd love to see some more
> > sustained contribution from other open source communities to help us out
> in
> > this area
>
> That's not exactly the model I have seen to work. What I have seen works
> really well at other projects is pulling users in as committers in a
> scratch your own itch kind of way. For that to work you need to make it
> clear what contributions you need, you need to make time to coach people
> to become developers, you need to make your users accustomed to the way
> you work as early as possible. It also helps to ask users for
> contributions and offer mentoring help from your side along the way.
>
> I know that this is tedious work that needs a lot of motivating people,
> mentoring people, explaining to people, however it makes for a
> sustainable community of people that do the work out of self interest.
>
>
> http://blog.isabel-drost.de/posts/open-development-and-inner-source-for-fun-and-profit.html
>
>
> Isabel
>

Re: Maturity Model and Graduation

[Isabel Drost-Fromm <is...@apache.org>]

On 28/09/18 11:27, kellen sunderland wrote:
> I'd love to see some more
> sustained contribution from other open source communities to help us out in
> this area

That's not exactly the model I have seen to work. What I have seen works 
really well at other projects is pulling users in as committers in a 
scratch your own itch kind of way. For that to work you need to make it 
clear what contributions you need, you need to make time to coach people 
to become developers, you need to make your users accustomed to the way 
you work as early as possible. It also helps to ask users for 
contributions and offer mentoring help from your side along the way.

I know that this is tedious work that needs a lot of motivating people, 
mentoring people, explaining to people, however it makes for a 
sustainable community of people that do the work out of self interest.

http://blog.isabel-drost.de/posts/open-development-and-inner-source-for-fun-and-profit.html


Isabel

Re: Maturity Model and Graduation

[kellen sunderland <ke...@gmail.com>]

Hey Jim, welcome to the community.

To the best of my knowledge we have not yet discussed/run a Maturity
Model.  My gut feel is that MXNet would come away a fairly bi-model
result.  My view of the project is that it's getting the Apache Way right
in terms of Code, Releases, and Quality.  I think the project is doing
decently well with Licensing (although it's maybe a little more complex
than other projects given the many required code dependencies).  From my
observations I would say the community often struggles with consensus
building.  My opinion is that the project is doing a lot right with
community, especially in question answer, but is lacking in other areas
such as community expansion and ownership.

Independence is an area where the project is clearly behind, with almost
all active committers coming from Amazon.  We've had some great
contributions from Intel and NVIDIA, but so far have not been able to add
the members from those organizations to the IPMC for various reasons.
MXNet seems to not have had much support from other open-source communities
(with a notable exception of Carin who did a great job with Clojure and was
made a committer/ipmc member).  My impression is that the community would
love to improve in this area, so the lack of progress is not due to any
lack of desire on the community's part.  I'd love to see some more
sustained contribution from other open source communities to help us out in
this area (and am hopeful we can reach out to the Julia community as an
example).

-Kellen

On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 11:24 PM Jim Jagielski <ji...@jagunet.com> wrote:

> As a newly "minted" mentor, I'm getting my feet wet on determining where
> the project is and where it needs to go in order to be ready for
> graduation...
>
> Has the project run the Maturity Model against itself? How do we stack up?
> What areas of improvement could we benefit from (this might be independent
> of what the MatModel sez, btw. If you have ideas on where we could be
> working and collaborating better, please bring them up!)?
>
> Cheers!