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Posted to user@struts.apache.org by "Galbreath, Mark" <Ga...@tessco.com> on 2002/09/11 13:42:59 UTC
RE: [ALT-TECH] Apple Web Objects
.NET is a framework, not a programming language, and you can use Java to
develop within it (albeit JDK 1.1 at this time). In fact, it will not be
long before you can use any language to develop within it, and look for a
Linux version in the near future.
<dating-myself>I taught myself C on a Mac Plus (which I personally upgraded
from a "Fat Mac") using Symantec's Think C 5.0</dating-myself>, but I've
lost touch with Apple technology over the years (though I've bought my kids
IMacs and I still have a MacIIsi and Centris 610), but I'm sure it's worth
investigating.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: Adrian Brown [mailto:adrianjonbrown@yahoo.com.au]
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 8:59 PM
Noting the spirit of open comment and criticism on
Struts-alternative products in the J2EE community, I
was mildly surprised to search the archives of
theserverside and the Struts users list and find no
reference to 'Apple Web Objects'.
I was wondering if anyone had come across them in
their travels. Their WYSIWYG approach is attractive,
throwing away servlets and jsps does worry me but if
it is still Java then it is still preferable to .Net,
right? I may even be able to keep my EJBs ...
At US$1500 for a licence, is it worth looking into
further?
Home page:
http://www.apple.com/webobjects
Flashy pic:
http://developer.apple.com/techpubs/webobjects/WebObjectsOverview/WOHTML/ind
ex.html
Thanks,
Adrian
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Re: [ALT-TECH] Apple Web Objects
Posted by John Nicholas <ja...@mobosplash.com>.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Adrian Brown [mailto:adrianjonbrown@yahoo.com.au]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 8:59 PM
>
> Noting the spirit of open comment and criticism on
> Struts-alternative products in the J2EE community, I
> was mildly surprised to search the archives of
> theserverside and the Struts users list and find no
> reference to 'Apple Web Objects'.
>
> I was wondering if anyone had come across them in
> their travels. Their WYSIWYG approach is attractive,
> throwing away servlets and jsps does worry me but if
> it is still Java then it is still preferable to .Net,
> right? I may even be able to keep my EJBs ...
WebObjects comes with OpenEJB (http://openejb.sourceforge.net/)
from the apple site - "Supports J2EE technologies including an Object
Request Broker (ORB) and an Enterprise Java Beans (EJB) container"
also " Lets you access the WebObjects page generation and automated data
access capabilities via Java Server Pages (JSPs) or Servlets" so I don't
think you have to throw away your servlets and jsps though I think it
has it's own templating approach that is more like tapestry's approach
than struts.
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Re: [OT][ALT-TECH] Apple Web Objects
Posted by Bryan Hilterbrand <Br...@bullwinkle.net>.
Next we'll be talking about teletypes and punched paper tape. Ahhh, the
good, old days.
Bryan
P.S. My first computer was an Apple ][+ (you have to use the brackets...),
and it saw me through the latter half of high school and college. I bought
a daisywheel printer, and my teachers were in awe of my "typing abilities."
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Owen" <jo...@hotmail.com>
To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <st...@jakarta.apache.org>;
<an...@gridnode.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 8:41 AM
Subject: Re: [OT][ALT-TECH] Apple Web Objects
Maybe I can generate some nostalgia as well :
My family got an Apple II+ when I was about 8. Immediately, I began toying
around with it to play games (sometimes educational) and eventually (around
age 9 or 10) I stumbled upon Nibble, Byte and Compute magazines. I would
badger my Dad to take me to the local library to get the latest issues. When
we went to big cities like Seattle, New York and Chicago, I would make sure
we went by the "big" libraries so that I could Xerox as many source listings
as humanly possible. I didn't have a hard drive (duh) and I would code in
BASIC under Apple's Pro-Dos. Some of the listings were in assembler and I
could never get my folks to buy me one. I figured out that I could drop into
a command-line assembler (lol, actually probably just an interface to
machine code) by crashing Pro-Dos during boot - then I could enter those
listings. I could never figure out how to save work as I went, so I had to
code them exactly right so that I could save them at the end or I would just
be wasting time. Many of the listings had errors or parts left to be
implemented later and I took those as challenges, since there was no
guarantee that I would see the next issue soon enough to be of use.
By age 11, I had learned Pascal and had become an expert at hex-editing
Apple II applications. ;) A few years later I got an Apple IIGS for
Christmas, I think. I dorked around with it until I got to college and
upgraded to a Mac IIsi (that's where you REALLY date yourself Mark ;) ). I
messed around with Pascal until I learned c later that year and eventually
migrated to c++, assembler. I picked up on Java about 3-4 years ago and only
over the last 2 years have I gotten to really work with it professionally.
John
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Re: [OT][ALT-TECH] Apple Web Objects
Posted by John Owen <jo...@hotmail.com>.
Maybe I can generate some nostalgia as well :
My family got an Apple II+ when I was about 8. Immediately, I began toying
around with it to play games (sometimes educational) and eventually (around
age 9 or 10) I stumbled upon Nibble, Byte and Compute magazines. I would
badger my Dad to take me to the local library to get the latest issues. When
we went to big cities like Seattle, New York and Chicago, I would make sure
we went by the "big" libraries so that I could Xerox as many source listings
as humanly possible. I didn't have a hard drive (duh) and I would code in
BASIC under Apple's Pro-Dos. Some of the listings were in assembler and I
could never get my folks to buy me one. I figured out that I could drop into
a command-line assembler (lol, actually probably just an interface to
machine code) by crashing Pro-Dos during boot - then I could enter those
listings. I could never figure out how to save work as I went, so I had to
code them exactly right so that I could save them at the end or I would just
be wasting time. Many of the listings had errors or parts left to be
implemented later and I took those as challenges, since there was no
guarantee that I would see the next issue soon enough to be of use.
By age 11, I had learned Pascal and had become an expert at hex-editing
Apple II applications. ;) A few years later I got an Apple IIGS for
Christmas, I think. I dorked around with it until I got to college and
upgraded to a Mac IIsi (that's where you REALLY date yourself Mark ;) ). I
messed around with Pascal until I learned c later that year and eventually
migrated to c++, assembler. I picked up on Java about 3-4 years ago and only
over the last 2 years have I gotten to really work with it professionally.
John
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew Hill" <an...@gridnode.com>
To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 7:02 AM
Subject: RE: [OT][ALT-TECH] Apple Web Objects
> Ok, so its not Friday, but Im always in the mood for tech-nostalgia... ;-)
>
> I remember teaching myself C back in 1990 on my Amiga 2000 (using the
> Lattice compiler & a copy of K&R).
> Laughing at the poor MAC+ users I knew with their clunky one button mice
and
> tiny black & white displays. (If I recall rightly the multitasking in the
> MacOS back then wasnt even preemtive?)
> Ah the good ol Amiga. A far more worthy home for the Motorola 68000...
> Keep the faith! Amiga shall return!
>
> Wonder if it will be back in time to run Struts1.1 final? hehe
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Galbreath, Mark [mailto:Galbreath@tessco.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 19:43
> To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
> Subject: RE: [ALT-TECH] Apple Web Objects
>
>
> .NET is a framework, not a programming language, and you can use Java to
> develop within it (albeit JDK 1.1 at this time). In fact, it will not be
> long before you can use any language to develop within it, and look for a
> Linux version in the near future.
>
> <dating-myself>I taught myself C on a Mac Plus (which I personally
upgraded
> from a "Fat Mac") using Symantec's Think C 5.0</dating-myself>, but I've
> lost touch with Apple technology over the years (though I've bought my
kids
> IMacs and I still have a MacIIsi and Centris 610), but I'm sure it's worth
> investigating.
>
> Mark
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Adrian Brown [mailto:adrianjonbrown@yahoo.com.au]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 8:59 PM
>
> Noting the spirit of open comment and criticism on
> Struts-alternative products in the J2EE community, I
> was mildly surprised to search the archives of
> theserverside and the Struts users list and find no
> reference to 'Apple Web Objects'.
>
> I was wondering if anyone had come across them in
> their travels. Their WYSIWYG approach is attractive,
> throwing away servlets and jsps does worry me but if
> it is still Java then it is still preferable to .Net,
> right? I may even be able to keep my EJBs ...
>
> At US$1500 for a licence, is it worth looking into
> further?
>
>
> Home page:
> http://www.apple.com/webobjects
>
> Flashy pic:
>
http://developer.apple.com/techpubs/webobjects/WebObjectsOverview/WOHTML/ind
> ex.html
>
> Thanks,
>
> Adrian
>
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RE: [OT][ALT-TECH] Apple Web Objects
Posted by Andrew Hill <an...@gridnode.com>.
Ok, so its not Friday, but Im always in the mood for tech-nostalgia... ;-)
I remember teaching myself C back in 1990 on my Amiga 2000 (using the
Lattice compiler & a copy of K&R).
Laughing at the poor MAC+ users I knew with their clunky one button mice and
tiny black & white displays. (If I recall rightly the multitasking in the
MacOS back then wasnt even preemtive?)
Ah the good ol Amiga. A far more worthy home for the Motorola 68000...
Keep the faith! Amiga shall return!
Wonder if it will be back in time to run Struts1.1 final? hehe
-----Original Message-----
From: Galbreath, Mark [mailto:Galbreath@tessco.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 19:43
To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
Subject: RE: [ALT-TECH] Apple Web Objects
.NET is a framework, not a programming language, and you can use Java to
develop within it (albeit JDK 1.1 at this time). In fact, it will not be
long before you can use any language to develop within it, and look for a
Linux version in the near future.
<dating-myself>I taught myself C on a Mac Plus (which I personally upgraded
from a "Fat Mac") using Symantec's Think C 5.0</dating-myself>, but I've
lost touch with Apple technology over the years (though I've bought my kids
IMacs and I still have a MacIIsi and Centris 610), but I'm sure it's worth
investigating.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: Adrian Brown [mailto:adrianjonbrown@yahoo.com.au]
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 8:59 PM
Noting the spirit of open comment and criticism on
Struts-alternative products in the J2EE community, I
was mildly surprised to search the archives of
theserverside and the Struts users list and find no
reference to 'Apple Web Objects'.
I was wondering if anyone had come across them in
their travels. Their WYSIWYG approach is attractive,
throwing away servlets and jsps does worry me but if
it is still Java then it is still preferable to .Net,
right? I may even be able to keep my EJBs ...
At US$1500 for a licence, is it worth looking into
further?
Home page:
http://www.apple.com/webobjects
Flashy pic:
http://developer.apple.com/techpubs/webobjects/WebObjectsOverview/WOHTML/ind
ex.html
Thanks,
Adrian
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