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Posted to dev@iota.apache.org by Tony Faustini <to...@litbit.com> on 2017/11/08 01:25:20 UTC
Re: [VOTE] Moving iota to 'attic' status
Hi, we have had several days to get feedback on whether or not to move the iota podling to ‘attic’ status. There has been some interest in keeping the project alive but a number of the principal committers have suggested that the project be moved to ‘attic’ status. Moving the project to the attic status doesn’t mean that the source code is unavailable nor does it mean that a community cannot be build around such a project. Perhaps Justin or Hadrian could give some guidance on working and building community around a project that is in the ‘attic’?
Based on the feedback I am putting the question of moving iota to ‘attic’ status to a vote.
The vote is open for at least 72 hours and passes if a majority of at least
3 +1 PMC votes are cast.
[ ] +1 move iota to attic status
[ ] -1 Do not move iota to attic status because ...
Thanks
-Tony
> On Oct 31, 2017, at 2:31 PM, Barbara Malta Gomes <ba...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I recommend moving the project to Attic as well.
>
> Regards,
>
> On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 9:44 AM, <rutvij.clerk@icloud.com <ma...@icloud.com>> wrote:
> I recommend moving the project to Attic in its current state.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rutvij
>
> On Oct 31, 2017, 7:02 AM -0700, Sandeep Purohit <phalodi@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>>, wrote:
>> Hi All, We have to move forward as a podling project. I am interested in this project, Please make this project alive again. Anyone have design documents and any information related to this project then we all should make this project active again.
>>
>> -Sandeep
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 2:51 PM, Gunnar Tapper <tapper.gunnar@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> My suggestion is to place the project in the attic at this point.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Gunnar
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 3:51 AM, Xi Chen <neilchenxi@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> Hi, All,
>>
>> This is Neil, I am new to the software engineering industry and I am interested in this project, and hope to make contribute to this project.
>> As I am new to this project, I don’t know how to begin with it. If some of you still got interests in this project, I hope you guys can reply this email, I need your help to learn more about this project.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Neil
>>
>> > On Oct 30, 2017, at 2:42 PM, Tony Faustini <tony@litbit.com <ma...@litbit.com>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi all, I am not seeing a lot of activity on this project in the last few months. I would like to start a discussion on whether or not to dissolve the PMC and move the project to the Attic. This doesn’t necessarily mean that the project cannot re-emerge at a future time as an ASF project. It would be shelved in the attic for now. The source code would still be available under the Apache license as is the case with many open source projects. Perhaps a community will emerge in the near future and we the project can be moved back to the ASF podling process.
>> >
>> > On the other hand if you want to keep the project moving forward as a podling project and you feel you have the time to volunteer please respond to this thread explaining how you can help.
>> >
>> > I am proposing that we discuss the Attic question for a few days and based on the feedback we either
>> >
>> > 1) Have enough volunteers to move this forward as a podling project
>> >
>> > or
>> >
>> > 2) We conduct a vote to dissolve the PMC and move the project to the Attic
>> >
>> > I look forward to your feedback.
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> >
>> > -Tony
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Gunnar
>> If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Barbara Gomes
> Computer Engineer
> San Jose, CA
Re: [VOTE] Moving iota to 'attic' status
Posted by Chi Zhang <sh...@gmail.com>.
Hi All,
I understand that i am just a newbie for this project, and you guys might
have spent tons of time on it already. That's the part the make me upset
that we are going to leave a project to be retired/attic just cause. I
guess there must be quite a lot of devs like me still want to contribute
and still would like to be a part of the idea of platform for iot.
I apologize in advance if i am making any assumptions that might not be
right, but i feel the reason is project is dying, part of the reason is we
don't have a good useCase/scenario for us to plug this platform into?
Again, i am fairly new to this, we don't see a lot of doc/guides. What's
more important, is the missing of a application scenario?
I personally would love to keep working on it, and if there is anything
that I can start with or help with, i have no issue to contribute my 2 hrs
daily transportation time onto this.
Best,
Chi
On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 10:32 AM, Barbara Malta Gomes <
barbaramaltagomes@gmail.com> wrote:
> +1
>
> On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 8:40 PM, Hadrian Zbarcea <hz...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> +1
>>
>> Hadrian
>>
>> On 11/07/2017 08:25 PM, Tony Faustini wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, we have had several days to get feedback on whether or not to move
>>> the iota podling to ‘attic’ status. There has been some interest in keeping
>>> the project alive but a number of the principal committers have suggested
>>> that the project be moved to ‘attic’ status. Moving the project to the
>>> attic status doesn’t mean that the source code is unavailable nor does it
>>> mean that a community cannot be build around such a project. Perhaps Justin
>>> or Hadrian could give some guidance on working and building community
>>> around a project that is in the ‘attic’?
>>>
>>> Based on the feedback I am putting the question of moving iota to
>>> ‘attic’ status to a vote.
>>>
>>> The vote is open for at least 72 hours and passes if a majority of at
>>> least
>>> 3 +1 PMC votes are cast.
>>>
>>> [ ] +1 move iota to attic status
>>> [ ] -1 Do not move iota to attic status because ...
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> -Tony
>>>
>>> On Oct 31, 2017, at 2:31 PM, Barbara Malta Gomes <
>>>> barbaramaltagomes@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I recommend moving the project to Attic as well.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 9:44 AM, <rutvij.clerk@icloud.com <mailto:
>>>> rutvij.clerk@icloud.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I recommend moving the project to Attic in its current state.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Rutvij
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 31, 2017, 7:02 AM -0700, Sandeep Purohit <phalodi@gmail.com
>>>> <ma...@gmail.com>>, wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi All, We have to move forward as a podling project. I am
>>>>> interested in this project, Please make this project alive again.
>>>>> Anyone have design documents and any information related to this
>>>>> project then we all should make this project active again.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Sandeep
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 2:51 PM, Gunnar Tapper
>>>>> <tapper.gunnar@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> My suggestion is to place the project in the attic at this
>>>>> point.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Gunnar
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 3:51 AM, Xi Chen
>>>>> <neilchenxi@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi, All,
>>>>>
>>>>> This is Neil, I am new to the software engineering
>>>>> industry and I am interested in this project, and hope to
>>>>> make contribute to this project.
>>>>> As I am new to this project, I don’t know how to begin
>>>>> with it. If some of you still got interests in this
>>>>> project, I hope you guys can reply this email, I need
>>>>> your help to learn more about this project.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Neil
>>>>>
>>>>> > On Oct 30, 2017, at 2:42 PM, Tony Faustini
>>>>> <tony@litbit.com <ma...@litbit.com>> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Hi all, I am not seeing a lot of activity on this
>>>>> project in the last few months. I would like to start a
>>>>> discussion on whether or not to dissolve the PMC and move
>>>>> the project to the Attic. This doesn’t necessarily mean
>>>>> that the project cannot re-emerge at a future time as an
>>>>> ASF project. It would be shelved in the attic for now.
>>>>> The source code would still be available under the Apache
>>>>> license as is the case with many open source projects.
>>>>> Perhaps a community will emerge in the near future and we
>>>>> the project can be moved back to the ASF podling process.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On the other hand if you want to keep the project
>>>>> moving forward as a podling project and you feel you have
>>>>> the time to volunteer please respond to this thread
>>>>> explaining how you can help.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I am proposing that we discuss the Attic question for a
>>>>> few days and based on the feedback we either
>>>>> >
>>>>> > 1) Have enough volunteers to move this forward as a
>>>>> podling project
>>>>> >
>>>>> > or
>>>>> >
>>>>> > 2) We conduct a vote to dissolve the PMC and move the
>>>>> project to the Attic
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I look forward to your feedback.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Thanks
>>>>> >
>>>>> > -Tony
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Gunnar
>>>>> /If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're
>>>>> right./
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Barbara Gomes
>>>> Computer Engineer
>>>> San Jose, CA
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
> --
> Barbara Gomes
> Computer Engineer
> San Jose, CA
>
--
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Re: [VOTE] Moving iota to 'attic' status
Posted by Sydney Noteboom <sy...@litbit.com>.
+1
On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 10:32 AM, Barbara Malta Gomes <
barbaramaltagomes@gmail.com> wrote:
> +1
>
> On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 8:40 PM, Hadrian Zbarcea <hz...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> +1
>>
>> Hadrian
>>
>> On 11/07/2017 08:25 PM, Tony Faustini wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, we have had several days to get feedback on whether or not to move
>>> the iota podling to ‘attic’ status. There has been some interest in keeping
>>> the project alive but a number of the principal committers have suggested
>>> that the project be moved to ‘attic’ status. Moving the project to the
>>> attic status doesn’t mean that the source code is unavailable nor does it
>>> mean that a community cannot be build around such a project. Perhaps Justin
>>> or Hadrian could give some guidance on working and building community
>>> around a project that is in the ‘attic’?
>>>
>>> Based on the feedback I am putting the question of moving iota to
>>> ‘attic’ status to a vote.
>>>
>>> The vote is open for at least 72 hours and passes if a majority of at
>>> least
>>> 3 +1 PMC votes are cast.
>>>
>>> [ ] +1 move iota to attic status
>>> [ ] -1 Do not move iota to attic status because ...
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> -Tony
>>>
>>> On Oct 31, 2017, at 2:31 PM, Barbara Malta Gomes <
>>>> barbaramaltagomes@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I recommend moving the project to Attic as well.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 9:44 AM, <rutvij.clerk@icloud.com <mailto:
>>>> rutvij.clerk@icloud.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I recommend moving the project to Attic in its current state.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Rutvij
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 31, 2017, 7:02 AM -0700, Sandeep Purohit <phalodi@gmail.com
>>>> <ma...@gmail.com>>, wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi All, We have to move forward as a podling project. I am
>>>>> interested in this project, Please make this project alive again.
>>>>> Anyone have design documents and any information related to this
>>>>> project then we all should make this project active again.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Sandeep
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 2:51 PM, Gunnar Tapper
>>>>> <tapper.gunnar@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> My suggestion is to place the project in the attic at this
>>>>> point.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Gunnar
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 3:51 AM, Xi Chen
>>>>> <neilchenxi@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi, All,
>>>>>
>>>>> This is Neil, I am new to the software engineering
>>>>> industry and I am interested in this project, and hope to
>>>>> make contribute to this project.
>>>>> As I am new to this project, I don’t know how to begin
>>>>> with it. If some of you still got interests in this
>>>>> project, I hope you guys can reply this email, I need
>>>>> your help to learn more about this project.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Neil
>>>>>
>>>>> > On Oct 30, 2017, at 2:42 PM, Tony Faustini
>>>>> <tony@litbit.com <ma...@litbit.com>> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Hi all, I am not seeing a lot of activity on this
>>>>> project in the last few months. I would like to start a
>>>>> discussion on whether or not to dissolve the PMC and move
>>>>> the project to the Attic. This doesn’t necessarily mean
>>>>> that the project cannot re-emerge at a future time as an
>>>>> ASF project. It would be shelved in the attic for now.
>>>>> The source code would still be available under the Apache
>>>>> license as is the case with many open source projects.
>>>>> Perhaps a community will emerge in the near future and we
>>>>> the project can be moved back to the ASF podling process.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On the other hand if you want to keep the project
>>>>> moving forward as a podling project and you feel you have
>>>>> the time to volunteer please respond to this thread
>>>>> explaining how you can help.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I am proposing that we discuss the Attic question for a
>>>>> few days and based on the feedback we either
>>>>> >
>>>>> > 1) Have enough volunteers to move this forward as a
>>>>> podling project
>>>>> >
>>>>> > or
>>>>> >
>>>>> > 2) We conduct a vote to dissolve the PMC and move the
>>>>> project to the Attic
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I look forward to your feedback.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Thanks
>>>>> >
>>>>> > -Tony
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Gunnar
>>>>> /If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're
>>>>> right./
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Barbara Gomes
>>>> Computer Engineer
>>>> San Jose, CA
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
> --
> Barbara Gomes
> Computer Engineer
> San Jose, CA
>
Re: [VOTE] Moving iota to 'attic' status
Posted by Barbara Malta Gomes <ba...@gmail.com>.
+1
On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 8:40 PM, Hadrian Zbarcea <hz...@gmail.com> wrote:
> +1
>
> Hadrian
>
> On 11/07/2017 08:25 PM, Tony Faustini wrote:
>
>> Hi, we have had several days to get feedback on whether or not to move
>> the iota podling to ‘attic’ status. There has been some interest in keeping
>> the project alive but a number of the principal committers have suggested
>> that the project be moved to ‘attic’ status. Moving the project to the
>> attic status doesn’t mean that the source code is unavailable nor does it
>> mean that a community cannot be build around such a project. Perhaps Justin
>> or Hadrian could give some guidance on working and building community
>> around a project that is in the ‘attic’?
>>
>> Based on the feedback I am putting the question of moving iota to ‘attic’
>> status to a vote.
>>
>> The vote is open for at least 72 hours and passes if a majority of at
>> least
>> 3 +1 PMC votes are cast.
>>
>> [ ] +1 move iota to attic status
>> [ ] -1 Do not move iota to attic status because ...
>>
>> Thanks
>> -Tony
>>
>> On Oct 31, 2017, at 2:31 PM, Barbara Malta Gomes <
>>> barbaramaltagomes@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I recommend moving the project to Attic as well.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 9:44 AM, <rutvij.clerk@icloud.com <mailto:
>>> rutvij.clerk@icloud.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I recommend moving the project to Attic in its current state.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Rutvij
>>>
>>> On Oct 31, 2017, 7:02 AM -0700, Sandeep Purohit <phalodi@gmail.com
>>> <ma...@gmail.com>>, wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi All, We have to move forward as a podling project. I am
>>>> interested in this project, Please make this project alive again.
>>>> Anyone have design documents and any information related to this
>>>> project then we all should make this project active again.
>>>>
>>>> -Sandeep
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 2:51 PM, Gunnar Tapper
>>>> <tapper.gunnar@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> My suggestion is to place the project in the attic at this
>>>> point.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Gunnar
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 3:51 AM, Xi Chen
>>>> <neilchenxi@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi, All,
>>>>
>>>> This is Neil, I am new to the software engineering
>>>> industry and I am interested in this project, and hope to
>>>> make contribute to this project.
>>>> As I am new to this project, I don’t know how to begin
>>>> with it. If some of you still got interests in this
>>>> project, I hope you guys can reply this email, I need
>>>> your help to learn more about this project.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Neil
>>>>
>>>> > On Oct 30, 2017, at 2:42 PM, Tony Faustini
>>>> <tony@litbit.com <ma...@litbit.com>> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > Hi all, I am not seeing a lot of activity on this
>>>> project in the last few months. I would like to start a
>>>> discussion on whether or not to dissolve the PMC and move
>>>> the project to the Attic. This doesn’t necessarily mean
>>>> that the project cannot re-emerge at a future time as an
>>>> ASF project. It would be shelved in the attic for now.
>>>> The source code would still be available under the Apache
>>>> license as is the case with many open source projects.
>>>> Perhaps a community will emerge in the near future and we
>>>> the project can be moved back to the ASF podling process.
>>>> >
>>>> > On the other hand if you want to keep the project
>>>> moving forward as a podling project and you feel you have
>>>> the time to volunteer please respond to this thread
>>>> explaining how you can help.
>>>> >
>>>> > I am proposing that we discuss the Attic question for a
>>>> few days and based on the feedback we either
>>>> >
>>>> > 1) Have enough volunteers to move this forward as a
>>>> podling project
>>>> >
>>>> > or
>>>> >
>>>> > 2) We conduct a vote to dissolve the PMC and move the
>>>> project to the Attic
>>>> >
>>>> > I look forward to your feedback.
>>>> >
>>>> > Thanks
>>>> >
>>>> > -Tony
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Gunnar
>>>> /If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're
>>>> right./
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Barbara Gomes
>>> Computer Engineer
>>> San Jose, CA
>>>
>>
>>
--
Barbara Gomes
Computer Engineer
San Jose, CA
Re: [VOTE] Moving iota to 'attic' status
Posted by Hadrian Zbarcea <hz...@gmail.com>.
+1
Hadrian
On 11/07/2017 08:25 PM, Tony Faustini wrote:
> Hi, we have had several days to get feedback on whether or not to move
> the iota podling to ‘attic’ status. There has been some interest in
> keeping the project alive but a number of the principal committers have
> suggested that the project be moved to ‘attic’ status. Moving the
> project to the attic status doesn’t mean that the source code is
> unavailable nor does it mean that a community cannot be build around
> such a project. Perhaps Justin or Hadrian could give some guidance on
> working and building community around a project that is in the ‘attic’?
>
> Based on the feedback I am putting the question of moving iota to
> ‘attic’ status to a vote.
>
> The vote is open for at least 72 hours and passes if a majority of at least
> 3 +1 PMC votes are cast.
>
> [ ] +1 move iota to attic status
> [ ] -1 Do not move iota to attic status because ...
>
> Thanks
> -Tony
>
>> On Oct 31, 2017, at 2:31 PM, Barbara Malta Gomes
>> <barbaramaltagomes@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> I recommend moving the project to Attic as well.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 9:44 AM, <rutvij.clerk@icloud.com
>> <ma...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>>
>> I recommend moving the project to Attic in its current state.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Rutvij
>>
>> On Oct 31, 2017, 7:02 AM -0700, Sandeep Purohit <phalodi@gmail.com
>> <ma...@gmail.com>>, wrote:
>>> Hi All, We have to move forward as a podling project. I am
>>> interested in this project, Please make this project alive again.
>>> Anyone have design documents and any information related to this
>>> project then we all should make this project active again.
>>>
>>> -Sandeep
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 2:51 PM, Gunnar Tapper
>>> <tapper.gunnar@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> My suggestion is to place the project in the attic at this
>>> point.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Gunnar
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 3:51 AM, Xi Chen
>>> <neilchenxi@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi, All,
>>>
>>> This is Neil, I am new to the software engineering
>>> industry and I am interested in this project, and hope to
>>> make contribute to this project.
>>> As I am new to this project, I don’t know how to begin
>>> with it. If some of you still got interests in this
>>> project, I hope you guys can reply this email, I need
>>> your help to learn more about this project.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Neil
>>>
>>> > On Oct 30, 2017, at 2:42 PM, Tony Faustini
>>> <tony@litbit.com <ma...@litbit.com>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Hi all, I am not seeing a lot of activity on this
>>> project in the last few months. I would like to start a
>>> discussion on whether or not to dissolve the PMC and move
>>> the project to the Attic. This doesn’t necessarily mean
>>> that the project cannot re-emerge at a future time as an
>>> ASF project. It would be shelved in the attic for now.
>>> The source code would still be available under the Apache
>>> license as is the case with many open source projects.
>>> Perhaps a community will emerge in the near future and we
>>> the project can be moved back to the ASF podling process.
>>> >
>>> > On the other hand if you want to keep the project
>>> moving forward as a podling project and you feel you have
>>> the time to volunteer please respond to this thread
>>> explaining how you can help.
>>> >
>>> > I am proposing that we discuss the Attic question for a
>>> few days and based on the feedback we either
>>> >
>>> > 1) Have enough volunteers to move this forward as a
>>> podling project
>>> >
>>> > or
>>> >
>>> > 2) We conduct a vote to dissolve the PMC and move the
>>> project to the Attic
>>> >
>>> > I look forward to your feedback.
>>> >
>>> > Thanks
>>> >
>>> > -Tony
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Gunnar
>>> /If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're
>>> right./
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Barbara Gomes
>> Computer Engineer
>> San Jose, CA
>
Re: [VOTE] Moving iota to 'attic' status
Posted by Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>.
+1
On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 8:10 PM, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Just want to point out. Podlings retire, they don't go to the attic. The
> same concepts apply though.
>
> John
>
> On 2017-11-07 20:25, Tony Faustini <to...@litbit.com> wrote:
> > Hi, we have had several days to get feedback on whether or not to move
> the iota podling to ‘attic’ status. There has been some interest in keeping
> the project alive but a number of the principal committers have suggested
> that the project be moved to ‘attic’ status. Moving the project to the
> attic status doesn’t mean that the source code is unavailable nor does it
> mean that a community cannot be build around such a project. Perhaps Justin
> or Hadrian could give some guidance on working and building community
> around a project that is in the ‘attic’?
> >
> > Based on the feedback I am putting the question of moving iota to
> ‘attic’ status to a vote.
> >
> > The vote is open for at least 72 hours and passes if a majority of at
> least
> > 3 +1 PMC votes are cast.
> >
> > [ ] +1 move iota to attic status
> > [ ] -1 Do not move iota to attic status because ...
> >
> > Thanks
> > -Tony
> >
> > > On Oct 31, 2017, at 2:31 PM, Barbara Malta Gomes <
> barbaramaltagomes@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > I recommend moving the project to Attic as well.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 9:44 AM, <rutvij.clerk@icloud.com <mailto:
> rutvij.clerk@icloud.com>> wrote:
> > > I recommend moving the project to Attic in its current state.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Rutvij
> > >
> > > On Oct 31, 2017, 7:02 AM -0700, Sandeep Purohit <phalodi@gmail.com
> <ma...@gmail.com>>, wrote:
> > >> Hi All, We have to move forward as a podling project. I am interested
> in this project, Please make this project alive again. Anyone have design
> documents and any information related to this project then we all should
> make this project active again.
> > >>
> > >> -Sandeep
> > >>
> > >> On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 2:51 PM, Gunnar Tapper <
> tapper.gunnar@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > >> My suggestion is to place the project in the attic at this point.
> > >>
> > >> Thanks,
> > >>
> > >> Gunnar
> > >>
> > >> On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 3:51 AM, Xi Chen <neilchenxi@gmail.com
> <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > >> Hi, All,
> > >>
> > >> This is Neil, I am new to the software engineering industry and I am
> interested in this project, and hope to make contribute to this project.
> > >> As I am new to this project, I don’t know how to begin with it. If
> some of you still got interests in this project, I hope you guys can reply
> this email, I need your help to learn more about this project.
> > >>
> > >> Thanks,
> > >>
> > >> Neil
> > >>
> > >> > On Oct 30, 2017, at 2:42 PM, Tony Faustini <tony@litbit.com
> <ma...@litbit.com>> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > Hi all, I am not seeing a lot of activity on this project in the
> last few months. I would like to start a discussion on whether or not to
> dissolve the PMC and move the project to the Attic. This doesn’t
> necessarily mean that the project cannot re-emerge at a future time as an
> ASF project. It would be shelved in the attic for now. The source code
> would still be available under the Apache license as is the case with many
> open source projects. Perhaps a community will emerge in the near future
> and we the project can be moved back to the ASF podling process.
> > >> >
> > >> > On the other hand if you want to keep the project moving forward as
> a podling project and you feel you have the time to volunteer please
> respond to this thread explaining how you can help.
> > >> >
> > >> > I am proposing that we discuss the Attic question for a few days
> and based on the feedback we either
> > >> >
> > >> > 1) Have enough volunteers to move this forward as a podling project
> > >> >
> > >> > or
> > >> >
> > >> > 2) We conduct a vote to dissolve the PMC and move the project to
> the Attic
> > >> >
> > >> > I look forward to your feedback.
> > >> >
> > >> > Thanks
> > >> >
> > >> > -Tony
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Thanks,
> > >>
> > >> Gunnar
> > >> If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Barbara Gomes
> > > Computer Engineer
> > > San Jose, CA
> >
> >
>
--
Thanks,
Gunnar
*If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*
Re: [VOTE] Moving iota to 'attic' status
Posted by "John D. Ament" <jo...@apache.org>.
I suspect we can consider this a positive vote, as a result does it make sense to move on to the general@incubator vote?
On 2018/01/04 17:49:43, Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> +1
>
> On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 9:19 AM, Hadrian Zbarcea <hz...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I think there is, or could be enough PPMC to provide oversight, but that's
> > not the point. I understand your perception, but that (true or not) is a
> > consequence of lack of activity on the project. One cannot have more active
> > oversight than active contributors.
> >
> > Unfortunately contributions were limited to mostly 2 people and even those
> > were in bursts. A release of something useful to a larger audience was
> > constantly delayed. We all agree that the execution did not follow the
> > vision and the interest expressed is not backed up by contributions.
> >
> > I do not see any reason to delay the move to attic, even by a few days.
> >
> > Hadrian
> >
> > On 01/04/2018 03:30 AM, Justin Mclean wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I believe you need a vote on the IPMC general list to do that right?
> >>
> >> While there does seem some interest from some people outside the project
> >> I don't see any pull requests or on list discussion on what to do and I
> >> have some doubts if there enough of a PPMC to continue oversight of the
> >> project.
> >>
> >> Lets give it a few days and see if anyone else says anything and if not
> >> then hold a vote there.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Justin
> >>
> >>
>
>
> --
> Thanks,
>
> Gunnar
> *If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*
>
Re: [VOTE] Moving iota to 'attic' status
Posted by Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>.
+1
On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 9:19 AM, Hadrian Zbarcea <hz...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think there is, or could be enough PPMC to provide oversight, but that's
> not the point. I understand your perception, but that (true or not) is a
> consequence of lack of activity on the project. One cannot have more active
> oversight than active contributors.
>
> Unfortunately contributions were limited to mostly 2 people and even those
> were in bursts. A release of something useful to a larger audience was
> constantly delayed. We all agree that the execution did not follow the
> vision and the interest expressed is not backed up by contributions.
>
> I do not see any reason to delay the move to attic, even by a few days.
>
> Hadrian
>
> On 01/04/2018 03:30 AM, Justin Mclean wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I believe you need a vote on the IPMC general list to do that right?
>>
>> While there does seem some interest from some people outside the project
>> I don't see any pull requests or on list discussion on what to do and I
>> have some doubts if there enough of a PPMC to continue oversight of the
>> project.
>>
>> Lets give it a few days and see if anyone else says anything and if not
>> then hold a vote there.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Justin
>>
>>
--
Thanks,
Gunnar
*If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*
Re: [VOTE] Moving iota to 'attic' status
Posted by Hadrian Zbarcea <hz...@gmail.com>.
I think there is, or could be enough PPMC to provide oversight, but
that's not the point. I understand your perception, but that (true or
not) is a consequence of lack of activity on the project. One cannot
have more active oversight than active contributors.
Unfortunately contributions were limited to mostly 2 people and even
those were in bursts. A release of something useful to a larger audience
was constantly delayed. We all agree that the execution did not follow
the vision and the interest expressed is not backed up by contributions.
I do not see any reason to delay the move to attic, even by a few days.
Hadrian
On 01/04/2018 03:30 AM, Justin Mclean wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I believe you need a vote on the IPMC general list to do that right?
>
> While there does seem some interest from some people outside the project I don't see any pull requests or on list discussion on what to do and I have some doubts if there enough of a PPMC to continue oversight of the project.
>
> Lets give it a few days and see if anyone else says anything and if not then hold a vote there.
>
> Thanks,
> Justin
>
Re: [VOTE] Moving iota to 'attic' status
Posted by Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>.
Hi,
I believe you need a vote on the IPMC general list to do that right?
While there does seem some interest from some people outside the project I don't see any pull requests or on list discussion on what to do and I have some doubts if there enough of a PPMC to continue oversight of the project.
Lets give it a few days and see if anyone else says anything and if not then hold a vote there.
Thanks,
Justin
Re: [VOTE] Moving iota to 'attic' status
Posted by "John D. Ament" <jo...@apache.org>.
Pierre,
On 2017-11-10 01:45, Pierre Smits <pi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> When the vote to move an incubating project results in a majority for +1,
> it means that steps are undertaken by the PMC of the Incubator project to
> transfer control of the incubating project to the ( control of the ) Apache
> Attic project.
No, it does not. Pleae review the retirement guide https://incubator.apache.org/guides/retirement.html
>
> Best regards,
>
> Pierre
>
> On Thu, 9 Nov 2017 at 02:22 John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > On 2017-11-07 21:56, Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com> wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > > Just want to point out. Podlings retire, they don't go to the attic.
> > The same concepts apply though.
> > >
> > > The code is still moved to the attic right? I never been involved in an
> > incubating project thatâs retired so Iâm not familiar with the steps.
> >
> > I'm not sure any project's code moves into the attic. From what I can
> > tell, the source repos remain where they are, infra just makes them read
> > only. I've been following that pattern for retiring podlings as well,
> > other than some website issues no one has balked.
> >
> > So basically, wherever you find the code now is where you would find it in
> > the future.
> >
> > >
> > > My understanding is that once retired anyone can fork the code (to say
> > GitHub) and try to build a community around it or if enough people get
> > together and want to form a PPMC try and restart it at the incubator.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Justin
> >
> --
> Pierre Smits
>
> ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>
> OFBiz based solutions & services
>
> OEM - The OFBiz Extensions Marketplace1
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>
Re: [VOTE] Moving iota to 'attic' status
Posted by Pierre Smits <pi...@gmail.com>.
Hi all,
When the vote to move an incubating project results in a majority for +1,
it means that steps are undertaken by the PMC of the Incubator project to
transfer control of the incubating project to the ( control of the ) Apache
Attic project.
Best regards,
Pierre
On Thu, 9 Nov 2017 at 02:22 John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>
> On 2017-11-07 21:56, Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > > Just want to point out. Podlings retire, they don't go to the attic.
> The same concepts apply though.
> >
> > The code is still moved to the attic right? I never been involved in an
> incubating project that’s retired so I’m not familiar with the steps.
>
> I'm not sure any project's code moves into the attic. From what I can
> tell, the source repos remain where they are, infra just makes them read
> only. I've been following that pattern for retiring podlings as well,
> other than some website issues no one has balked.
>
> So basically, wherever you find the code now is where you would find it in
> the future.
>
> >
> > My understanding is that once retired anyone can fork the code (to say
> GitHub) and try to build a community around it or if enough people get
> together and want to form a PPMC try and restart it at the incubator.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Justin
>
--
Pierre Smits
ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>
OFBiz based solutions & services
OEM - The OFBiz Extensions Marketplace1
http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/
1 not affiliated to (and not endorsed by) the OFBiz project
Re: [VOTE] Moving iota to 'attic' status
Posted by "John D. Ament" <jo...@apache.org>.
On 2017-11-07 21:56, Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> > Just want to point out. Podlings retire, they don't go to the attic. The same concepts apply though.
>
> The code is still moved to the attic right? I never been involved in an incubating project thatâs retired so Iâm not familiar with the steps.
I'm not sure any project's code moves into the attic. From what I can tell, the source repos remain where they are, infra just makes them read only. I've been following that pattern for retiring podlings as well, other than some website issues no one has balked.
So basically, wherever you find the code now is where you would find it in the future.
>
> My understanding is that once retired anyone can fork the code (to say GitHub) and try to build a community around it or if enough people get together and want to form a PPMC try and restart it at the incubator.
>
> Thanks,
> Justin
Re: [VOTE] Moving iota to 'attic' status
Posted by Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>.
Hi,
> Just want to point out. Podlings retire, they don't go to the attic. The same concepts apply though.
The code is still moved to the attic right? I never been involved in an incubating project that’s retired so I’m not familiar with the steps.
My understanding is that once retired anyone can fork the code (to say GitHub) and try to build a community around it or if enough people get together and want to form a PPMC try and restart it at the incubator.
Thanks,
Justin
Re: [VOTE] Moving iota to 'attic' status
Posted by "John D. Ament" <jo...@apache.org>.
Hi,
Just want to point out. Podlings retire, they don't go to the attic. The same concepts apply though.
John
On 2017-11-07 20:25, Tony Faustini <to...@litbit.com> wrote:
> Hi, we have had several days to get feedback on whether or not to move the iota podling to âatticâ status. There has been some interest in keeping the project alive but a number of the principal committers have suggested that the project be moved to âatticâ status. Moving the project to the attic status doesnât mean that the source code is unavailable nor does it mean that a community cannot be build around such a project. Perhaps Justin or Hadrian could give some guidance on working and building community around a project that is in the âatticâ?
>
> Based on the feedback I am putting the question of moving iota to âatticâ status to a vote.
>
> The vote is open for at least 72 hours and passes if a majority of at least
> 3 +1 PMC votes are cast.
>
> [ ] +1 move iota to attic status
> [ ] -1 Do not move iota to attic status because ...
>
> Thanks
> -Tony
>
> > On Oct 31, 2017, at 2:31 PM, Barbara Malta Gomes <ba...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I recommend moving the project to Attic as well.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 9:44 AM, <rutvij.clerk@icloud.com <ma...@icloud.com>> wrote:
> > I recommend moving the project to Attic in its current state.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Rutvij
> >
> > On Oct 31, 2017, 7:02 AM -0700, Sandeep Purohit <phalodi@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>>, wrote:
> >> Hi All, We have to move forward as a podling project. I am interested in this project, Please make this project alive again. Anyone have design documents and any information related to this project then we all should make this project active again.
> >>
> >> -Sandeep
> >>
> >> On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 2:51 PM, Gunnar Tapper <tapper.gunnar@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >> My suggestion is to place the project in the attic at this point.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Gunnar
> >>
> >> On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 3:51 AM, Xi Chen <neilchenxi@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >> Hi, All,
> >>
> >> This is Neil, I am new to the software engineering industry and I am interested in this project, and hope to make contribute to this project.
> >> As I am new to this project, I donât know how to begin with it. If some of you still got interests in this project, I hope you guys can reply this email, I need your help to learn more about this project.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Neil
> >>
> >> > On Oct 30, 2017, at 2:42 PM, Tony Faustini <tony@litbit.com <ma...@litbit.com>> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Hi all, I am not seeing a lot of activity on this project in the last few months. I would like to start a discussion on whether or not to dissolve the PMC and move the project to the Attic. This doesnât necessarily mean that the project cannot re-emerge at a future time as an ASF project. It would be shelved in the attic for now. The source code would still be available under the Apache license as is the case with many open source projects. Perhaps a community will emerge in the near future and we the project can be moved back to the ASF podling process.
> >> >
> >> > On the other hand if you want to keep the project moving forward as a podling project and you feel you have the time to volunteer please respond to this thread explaining how you can help.
> >> >
> >> > I am proposing that we discuss the Attic question for a few days and based on the feedback we either
> >> >
> >> > 1) Have enough volunteers to move this forward as a podling project
> >> >
> >> > or
> >> >
> >> > 2) We conduct a vote to dissolve the PMC and move the project to the Attic
> >> >
> >> > I look forward to your feedback.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks
> >> >
> >> > -Tony
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Gunnar
> >> If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Barbara Gomes
> > Computer Engineer
> > San Jose, CA
>
>