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Posted to dev@cloudstack.apache.org by Chip Childers <ch...@sungard.com> on 2012/10/03 19:26:01 UTC
[ASFCS40] Redirect cloudstack.org and docs.cloudstack.org as part of
the 4.0 "release"
All,
I'd like to propose that Citrix (if willing) redirect cloudstack.org
to http://incubator.apache.org/cloudstack/ and docs.cloudstack.org to
the appropriate sub-page of the ASF site.
Specifically, I'd like to propose that this happens as fast as
possible. The impact will be a simplified experience for users, once
we get through our first official ASF release.
I don't see any reason to wait...
Any concerns? Can someone make this happen?
-chip
Re: [ASFCS40] Redirect cloudstack.org and docs.cloudstack.org as
part of the 4.0 "release"
Posted by Ahmad Emneina <Ah...@citrix.com>.
Ideally the old links then redirect to the ASF endpoints for some time.
On 10/4/12 3:23 PM, "Alex Huang" <Al...@citrix.com> wrote:
>+1 on one clear destination. If it has to start fresh, then it has to
>start fresh. Let's identify the content to move and move them over.
>
>--Alex
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Chip Childers [mailto:chip.childers@sungard.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 1:49 PM
>> To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: [ASFCS40] Redirect cloudstack.org and docs.cloudstack.org
>>as
>> part of the 4.0 "release"
>>
>> Let me start by saying that I know how hard it is to build up a site's
>>traffic and
>> user base. You guys did a great job with that. However, I'm of the
>>opinion
>> that we need to make some big changes in a very short timeline. It's
>>part of
>> the change from Citrix / Cloud.com to ASF.
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 4:46 PM, Mark Hinkle <Ma...@citrix.com>
>> wrote:
>> > I think it's a good idea however I think there are a few things you
>>might
>> want to consider:
>> >
>> > CloudStack.org<http://CloudStack.org> gets about 500,000 unique
>>visits a
>> month though that's also partially because of the content on the current
>> pages e.g. forums, blog, videos, directory. etc.
>> > Also CloudStack.org<http://CloudStack.org> as it stands get's about
>>125,000
>> visits a month from organic search and tens of thousands of links to
>>direct
>> pages, you should 301 redirect the old to the new so all the search and
>>hard
>> link folks don't get 404'd. You'll need someone to map all the
>>redirects and
>> it's not trivial.
>> > Also If you break all those links traffic will drop pretty
>>significantly IMHO
>> until Google re-indexes and all the old content and then the number of
>> people that would normally find out about
>> CloudStack.org<http://CloudStack.org> through search wouldn't. Also the
>> content on the incubator site is pretty good for the hard-hitting
>>sysadmin or
>> open source guys but new users might be a little intimidated.
>>
>> You are describing 2 issues here: SEO optimization for certain terms
>>that
>> leads people to CloudStack, and content that is considered to be
>>valuable
>> being transitioned.
>>
>> I think that we should consider this an opportunity to clean up a bit.
>> While there is certainly lots of content on cloudstack.org, it's
>>actually pretty
>> hard to navigate IMO. I'd rather see us cut over, and have an
>>organized plan
>> to review and migrate content into a newer / simpler structure. To make
>> sure that we don't completely fail the users, we could setup a redirect
>>page
>> instead of the default 404 on the ASF web servers, that points to the
>> project's new index page.
>>
>> Personally, SEO optimization isn't at the top of my list of
>>considerations right
>> now. If we take the time to move content over cleanly, the search
>>engines
>> will sort themselves out.
>>
>> > I think we should also answer the following questions:
>> >
>> > - What should we do with the old content is do you want to keep it or
>> move it to something like
>>CloudStackUsers.org<http://CloudStackUsers.org>
>> or the like?
>> > - Apache Incubator doesn't have forums so do you abandon the forums?
>> > (There are over 11,000 registered forum users)
>>
>> I don't believe that a forum is the right method of managing user
>>interaction
>> with the project. It adds to the confusion about how to engage with the
>> project community, and frankly isn't that active with project members
>>these
>> days. We should point people to the cloudstack-users@i.a.o list, and
>> perhaps to an archive search service (markmail.org).
>>
>> > - Do you want to have a blog, move it to a new place or give it up?
>>
>> I think we should consider doing 2 things here. First, the project
>>needs a
>> news page (which is has). Second, the work to get a planet server
>>going for
>> the CS community can really serve as a much more open alternative.
>> Perhaps the Citrix community managers that post to the current
>> cloudstack.org blog should have a home somewhere else, that gets
>> aggregated into the CS planet? We should also consider adding an RSS
>>feed
>> version of the new site's news page.
>>
>> > - Should we still announce events and do sign-ups (we have thousands
>>of
>> historical sign-ups for Build a Cloud Days and user conferences and the
>> capability to send invites to past attendees based on geography etc.
>>baked
>> into the site).
>>
>> Announcements of community events are best done via the users and dev
>> lists. Perhaps an email blast explaining the changes, and pointing
>>users to
>> instructions for how to signup for the lists would be a good way to
>>force the
>> transition?
>>
>> > - There are 30,000+ people signed up for a newsletter on
>> CloudStack.org<http://CloudStack.org> when we donated the project to the
>> ASF I stopped sending updates. Do you want to start doing that to help
>> promote the project, migrate to some new system or some other option.
>>
>> Same suggestion as above. It's time to point them to either (1) Citrix
>> commercial information sources or (2) ACS information sources.
>>
>> > My suggestion would be:
>> >
>> > - Alias a new community approved domain to the existing site eg
>> CloudStackUsers.org<http://CloudStackUsers.org>. test it to make sure it
>> works and nothing's hard-coded or broken.
>>
>> I think that this adds to the confusion really... We should instead
>>migrate the
>> content over time, leaving behind content that's out of date.
>>
>> > - Really make sure that the incubator site experience is good (my pet
>> > peeve is that there is no common navigation to get from bugs to docs
>> > to the main site)
>>
>> I'd love if we could get someone to help make the current ASF site
>>better,
>> but that can happen in time.
>>
>> > - Then point CloudStack.org<http://CloudStack.org> to the Incubator
>> > site - http://incubator.apache.org/cloudstack/
>>
>> I think that should be done almost immediately... after dealing with
>>the 404
>> fix noted above.
>>
>> > - Divide content for Apache CloudStack development to
>> CloudStack.org<http://CloudStack.org> and really work on the user
>> experience for developers and start migrating content systematically to
>> Apache.
>> > - Come to consensus on what to do with the old content on CloudStack
>>(i'll
>> volunteer to keep it maintained and collaborate with whomever the PPMC
>> wants to give access to is cool with me) until we decide.
>> >
>> > Thoughts, flames, etc.?
>> >
>> > Regards, Mark
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Mark R. Hinkle
>> > Senior Director, Cloud Computing Community Citrix Systems
>> > p: 919.228.8049
>> > m: 919.522.3520
>> > e: mark.hinkle@citrix.com<ma...@citrix.com>
>> > twitter: @mrhinkle
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Oct 3, 2012, at 1:26 PM, Chip Childers
>> <ch...@sungard.com>> wrote:
>> >
>> > All,
>> >
>> > I'd like to propose that Citrix (if willing) redirect
>> cloudstack.org<http://cloudstack.org>
>> > to http://incubator.apache.org/cloudstack/ and
>> docs.cloudstack.org<http://docs.cloudstack.org> to
>> > the appropriate sub-page of the ASF site.
>> >
>> > Specifically, I'd like to propose that this happens as fast as
>> > possible. The impact will be a simplified experience for users, once
>> > we get through our first official ASF release.
>> >
>> > I don't see any reason to wait...
>> >
>> > Any concerns? Can someone make this happen?
>> >
>> > -chip
>> >
>
--
Æ
RE: [ASFCS40] Redirect cloudstack.org and docs.cloudstack.org as
part of the 4.0 "release"
Posted by Alex Huang <Al...@citrix.com>.
+1 on one clear destination. If it has to start fresh, then it has to start fresh. Let's identify the content to move and move them over.
--Alex
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chip Childers [mailto:chip.childers@sungard.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 1:49 PM
> To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [ASFCS40] Redirect cloudstack.org and docs.cloudstack.org as
> part of the 4.0 "release"
>
> Let me start by saying that I know how hard it is to build up a site's traffic and
> user base. You guys did a great job with that. However, I'm of the opinion
> that we need to make some big changes in a very short timeline. It's part of
> the change from Citrix / Cloud.com to ASF.
>
> On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 4:46 PM, Mark Hinkle <Ma...@citrix.com>
> wrote:
> > I think it's a good idea however I think there are a few things you might
> want to consider:
> >
> > CloudStack.org<http://CloudStack.org> gets about 500,000 unique visits a
> month though that's also partially because of the content on the current
> pages e.g. forums, blog, videos, directory. etc.
> > Also CloudStack.org<http://CloudStack.org> as it stands get's about 125,000
> visits a month from organic search and tens of thousands of links to direct
> pages, you should 301 redirect the old to the new so all the search and hard
> link folks don't get 404'd. You'll need someone to map all the redirects and
> it's not trivial.
> > Also If you break all those links traffic will drop pretty significantly IMHO
> until Google re-indexes and all the old content and then the number of
> people that would normally find out about
> CloudStack.org<http://CloudStack.org> through search wouldn't. Also the
> content on the incubator site is pretty good for the hard-hitting sysadmin or
> open source guys but new users might be a little intimidated.
>
> You are describing 2 issues here: SEO optimization for certain terms that
> leads people to CloudStack, and content that is considered to be valuable
> being transitioned.
>
> I think that we should consider this an opportunity to clean up a bit.
> While there is certainly lots of content on cloudstack.org, it's actually pretty
> hard to navigate IMO. I'd rather see us cut over, and have an organized plan
> to review and migrate content into a newer / simpler structure. To make
> sure that we don't completely fail the users, we could setup a redirect page
> instead of the default 404 on the ASF web servers, that points to the
> project's new index page.
>
> Personally, SEO optimization isn't at the top of my list of considerations right
> now. If we take the time to move content over cleanly, the search engines
> will sort themselves out.
>
> > I think we should also answer the following questions:
> >
> > - What should we do with the old content is do you want to keep it or
> move it to something like CloudStackUsers.org<http://CloudStackUsers.org>
> or the like?
> > - Apache Incubator doesn't have forums so do you abandon the forums?
> > (There are over 11,000 registered forum users)
>
> I don't believe that a forum is the right method of managing user interaction
> with the project. It adds to the confusion about how to engage with the
> project community, and frankly isn't that active with project members these
> days. We should point people to the cloudstack-users@i.a.o list, and
> perhaps to an archive search service (markmail.org).
>
> > - Do you want to have a blog, move it to a new place or give it up?
>
> I think we should consider doing 2 things here. First, the project needs a
> news page (which is has). Second, the work to get a planet server going for
> the CS community can really serve as a much more open alternative.
> Perhaps the Citrix community managers that post to the current
> cloudstack.org blog should have a home somewhere else, that gets
> aggregated into the CS planet? We should also consider adding an RSS feed
> version of the new site's news page.
>
> > - Should we still announce events and do sign-ups (we have thousands of
> historical sign-ups for Build a Cloud Days and user conferences and the
> capability to send invites to past attendees based on geography etc. baked
> into the site).
>
> Announcements of community events are best done via the users and dev
> lists. Perhaps an email blast explaining the changes, and pointing users to
> instructions for how to signup for the lists would be a good way to force the
> transition?
>
> > - There are 30,000+ people signed up for a newsletter on
> CloudStack.org<http://CloudStack.org> when we donated the project to the
> ASF I stopped sending updates. Do you want to start doing that to help
> promote the project, migrate to some new system or some other option.
>
> Same suggestion as above. It's time to point them to either (1) Citrix
> commercial information sources or (2) ACS information sources.
>
> > My suggestion would be:
> >
> > - Alias a new community approved domain to the existing site eg
> CloudStackUsers.org<http://CloudStackUsers.org>. test it to make sure it
> works and nothing's hard-coded or broken.
>
> I think that this adds to the confusion really... We should instead migrate the
> content over time, leaving behind content that's out of date.
>
> > - Really make sure that the incubator site experience is good (my pet
> > peeve is that there is no common navigation to get from bugs to docs
> > to the main site)
>
> I'd love if we could get someone to help make the current ASF site better,
> but that can happen in time.
>
> > - Then point CloudStack.org<http://CloudStack.org> to the Incubator
> > site - http://incubator.apache.org/cloudstack/
>
> I think that should be done almost immediately... after dealing with the 404
> fix noted above.
>
> > - Divide content for Apache CloudStack development to
> CloudStack.org<http://CloudStack.org> and really work on the user
> experience for developers and start migrating content systematically to
> Apache.
> > - Come to consensus on what to do with the old content on CloudStack (i'll
> volunteer to keep it maintained and collaborate with whomever the PPMC
> wants to give access to is cool with me) until we decide.
> >
> > Thoughts, flames, etc.?
> >
> > Regards, Mark
> >
> >
> >
> > Mark R. Hinkle
> > Senior Director, Cloud Computing Community Citrix Systems
> > p: 919.228.8049
> > m: 919.522.3520
> > e: mark.hinkle@citrix.com<ma...@citrix.com>
> > twitter: @mrhinkle
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Oct 3, 2012, at 1:26 PM, Chip Childers
> <ch...@sungard.com>> wrote:
> >
> > All,
> >
> > I'd like to propose that Citrix (if willing) redirect
> cloudstack.org<http://cloudstack.org>
> > to http://incubator.apache.org/cloudstack/ and
> docs.cloudstack.org<http://docs.cloudstack.org> to
> > the appropriate sub-page of the ASF site.
> >
> > Specifically, I'd like to propose that this happens as fast as
> > possible. The impact will be a simplified experience for users, once
> > we get through our first official ASF release.
> >
> > I don't see any reason to wait...
> >
> > Any concerns? Can someone make this happen?
> >
> > -chip
> >
Re: [ASFCS40] Redirect cloudstack.org and docs.cloudstack.org as part
of the 4.0 "release"
Posted by Chip Childers <ch...@sungard.com>.
Let me start by saying that I know how hard it is to build up a site's
traffic and user base. You guys did a great job with that. However,
I'm of the opinion that we need to make some big changes in a very
short timeline. It's part of the change from Citrix / Cloud.com to
ASF.
On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 4:46 PM, Mark Hinkle <Ma...@citrix.com> wrote:
> I think it's a good idea however I think there are a few things you might want to consider:
>
> CloudStack.org<http://CloudStack.org> gets about 500,000 unique visits a month though that's also partially because of the content on the current pages e.g. forums, blog, videos, directory. etc.
> Also CloudStack.org<http://CloudStack.org> as it stands get's about 125,000 visits a month from organic search and tens of thousands of links to direct pages, you should 301 redirect the old to the new so all the search and hard link folks don't get 404'd. You'll need someone to map all the redirects and it's not trivial.
> Also If you break all those links traffic will drop pretty significantly IMHO until Google re-indexes and all the old content and then the number of people that would normally find out about CloudStack.org<http://CloudStack.org> through search wouldn't. Also the content on the incubator site is pretty good for the hard-hitting sysadmin or open source guys but new users might be a little intimidated.
You are describing 2 issues here: SEO optimization for certain terms
that leads people to CloudStack, and content that is considered to be
valuable being transitioned.
I think that we should consider this an opportunity to clean up a bit.
While there is certainly lots of content on cloudstack.org, it's
actually pretty hard to navigate IMO. I'd rather see us cut over, and
have an organized plan to review and migrate content into a newer /
simpler structure. To make sure that we don't completely fail the
users, we could setup a redirect page instead of the default 404 on
the ASF web servers, that points to the project's new index page.
Personally, SEO optimization isn't at the top of my list of
considerations right now. If we take the time to move content over
cleanly, the search engines will sort themselves out.
> I think we should also answer the following questions:
>
> - What should we do with the old content is do you want to keep it or move it to something like CloudStackUsers.org<http://CloudStackUsers.org> or the like?
> - Apache Incubator doesn't have forums so do you abandon the forums? (There are over 11,000 registered forum users)
I don't believe that a forum is the right method of managing user
interaction with the project. It adds to the confusion about how to
engage with the project community, and frankly isn't that active with
project members these days. We should point people to the
cloudstack-users@i.a.o list, and perhaps to an archive search service
(markmail.org).
> - Do you want to have a blog, move it to a new place or give it up?
I think we should consider doing 2 things here. First, the project
needs a news page (which is has). Second, the work to get a planet
server going for the CS community can really serve as a much more open
alternative. Perhaps the Citrix community managers that post to the
current cloudstack.org blog should have a home somewhere else, that
gets aggregated into the CS planet? We should also consider adding an
RSS feed version of the new site's news page.
> - Should we still announce events and do sign-ups (we have thousands of historical sign-ups for Build a Cloud Days and user conferences and the capability to send invites to past attendees based on geography etc. baked into the site).
Announcements of community events are best done via the users and dev
lists. Perhaps an email blast explaining the changes, and pointing
users to instructions for how to signup for the lists would be a good
way to force the transition?
> - There are 30,000+ people signed up for a newsletter on CloudStack.org<http://CloudStack.org> when we donated the project to the ASF I stopped sending updates. Do you want to start doing that to help promote the project, migrate to some new system or some other option.
Same suggestion as above. It's time to point them to either (1)
Citrix commercial information sources or (2) ACS information sources.
> My suggestion would be:
>
> - Alias a new community approved domain to the existing site eg CloudStackUsers.org<http://CloudStackUsers.org>. test it to make sure it works and nothing's hard-coded or broken.
I think that this adds to the confusion really... We should instead
migrate the content over time, leaving behind content that's out of
date.
> - Really make sure that the incubator site experience is good (my pet peeve is that there is no common navigation to get from bugs to docs to the main site)
I'd love if we could get someone to help make the current ASF site
better, but that can happen in time.
> - Then point CloudStack.org<http://CloudStack.org> to the Incubator site - http://incubator.apache.org/cloudstack/
I think that should be done almost immediately... after dealing with
the 404 fix noted above.
> - Divide content for Apache CloudStack development to CloudStack.org<http://CloudStack.org> and really work on the user experience for developers and start migrating content systematically to Apache.
> - Come to consensus on what to do with the old content on CloudStack (i'll volunteer to keep it maintained and collaborate with whomever the PPMC wants to give access to is cool with me) until we decide.
>
> Thoughts, flames, etc.?
>
> Regards, Mark
>
>
>
> Mark R. Hinkle
> Senior Director, Cloud Computing Community
> Citrix Systems
> p: 919.228.8049
> m: 919.522.3520
> e: mark.hinkle@citrix.com<ma...@citrix.com>
> twitter: @mrhinkle
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 3, 2012, at 1:26 PM, Chip Childers <ch...@sungard.com>> wrote:
>
> All,
>
> I'd like to propose that Citrix (if willing) redirect cloudstack.org<http://cloudstack.org>
> to http://incubator.apache.org/cloudstack/ and docs.cloudstack.org<http://docs.cloudstack.org> to
> the appropriate sub-page of the ASF site.
>
> Specifically, I'd like to propose that this happens as fast as
> possible. The impact will be a simplified experience for users, once
> we get through our first official ASF release.
>
> I don't see any reason to wait...
>
> Any concerns? Can someone make this happen?
>
> -chip
>
Re: [ASFCS40] Redirect cloudstack.org and docs.cloudstack.org as part
of the 4.0 "release"
Posted by Noah Slater <ns...@tumbolia.org>.
Responses inline.
For the record, I am +1 on redirecting both sites.
On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 9:46 PM, Mark Hinkle <Ma...@citrix.com> wrote:
>
> Also CloudStack.org<http://CloudStack.org> as it stands get's about
> 125,000 visits a month from organic search and tens of thousands of links
> to direct pages, you should 301 redirect the old to the new so all the
> search and hard link folks don't get 404'd. You'll need someone to map all
> the redirects and it's not trivial.
>
One shortcut is a blanket redirect of any path to the root Apache
CloudStack homepage.
> Also If you break all those links traffic will drop pretty significantly
> IMHO until Google re-indexes and all the old content and then the number of
> people that would normally find out about CloudStack.org<
> http://CloudStack.org> through search wouldn't.
That's fine IMO.
> Also the content on the incubator site is pretty good for the hard-hitting
> sysadmin or open source guys but new users might be a little intimidated.
>
Who's our audience?
And, we have a chance to improve the website post-4.0. Should be an ongoing
effort.
> - What should we do with the old content is do you want to keep it or
> move it to something like CloudStackUsers.org<http://CloudStackUsers.org>
> or the like?
>
I don't think we should set up another website. That will only add to the
confusion.
Let's get an export of all the data, and fold it into our website or the
wiki.
> - Apache Incubator doesn't have forums so do you abandon the forums?
> (There are over 11,000 registered forum users)
>
Yes, abandon the forums.
Perhaps put up a page on our website with an explanation, saying we've
moved to the mailing lists.
Provide a link to the mailing list, and perhaps provide a link to a static
archive for the forums.
Not sure where you would host that. Who owns the content?
> - Do you want to have a blog, move it to a new place or give it up?
>
Let's get a project blog at: https://blogs.apache.org/
> - Should we still announce events and do sign-ups (we have thousands of
> historical sign-ups for Build a Cloud Days and user conferences and the
> capability to send invites to past attendees based on geography etc. baked
> into the site).
>
Yep! On announce@a.o, user@, and dev@ along with the website, blog, and
Twitter account.
(I presume we have control of a CloudStack Twitter account.)
> - There are 30,000+ people signed up for a newsletter on CloudStack.org<
> http://CloudStack.org> when we donated the project to the ASF I stopped
> sending updates. Do you want to start doing that to help promote the
> project, migrate to some new system or some other option.
>
What sort of thing would you put in the news letter?
Can we use announce@a.o and the blog for this sort of stuff?
If not, do we want a project specific announce@?
I doubt many projects have such a thing, but it may be possible.
> - Alias a new community approved domain to the existing site eg
> CloudStackUsers.org<http://CloudStackUsers.org>. test it to make sure it
> works and nothing's hard-coded or broken.
>
Let's not bifurcate our efforts or our community.
> - Really make sure that the incubator site experience is good (my pet
> peeve is that there is no common navigation to get from bugs to docs to the
> main site)
>
I don't think this should block 4.0. Also, patches welcome! :)
> - Then point CloudStack.org<http://CloudStack.org> to the Incubator site
> - http://incubator.apache.org/cloudstack/
+!
> - Divide content for Apache CloudStack development to CloudStack.org<
> http://CloudStack.org> and really work on the user experience for
> developers and start migrating content systematically to Apache.
>
Not sure what you mean by this.
> - Come to consensus on what to do with the old content on CloudStack (i'll
> volunteer to keep it maintained and collaborate with whomever the PPMC
> wants to give access to is cool with me) until we decide.
>
A static export would be nice, but I don't know where it would be hosted,
or who owns the rights. Do you?
Thanks!
--
NS
Re: [ASFCS40] Redirect cloudstack.org and docs.cloudstack.org as
part of the 4.0 "release"
Posted by Mark Hinkle <Ma...@citrix.com>.
I think it's a good idea however I think there are a few things you might want to consider:
CloudStack.org<http://CloudStack.org> gets about 500,000 unique visits a month though that's also partially because of the content on the current pages e.g. forums, blog, videos, directory. etc.
Also CloudStack.org<http://CloudStack.org> as it stands get's about 125,000 visits a month from organic search and tens of thousands of links to direct pages, you should 301 redirect the old to the new so all the search and hard link folks don't get 404'd. You'll need someone to map all the redirects and it's not trivial.
Also If you break all those links traffic will drop pretty significantly IMHO until Google re-indexes and all the old content and then the number of people that would normally find out about CloudStack.org<http://CloudStack.org> through search wouldn't. Also the content on the incubator site is pretty good for the hard-hitting sysadmin or open source guys but new users might be a little intimidated.
I think we should also answer the following questions:
- What should we do with the old content is do you want to keep it or move it to something like CloudStackUsers.org<http://CloudStackUsers.org> or the like?
- Apache Incubator doesn't have forums so do you abandon the forums? (There are over 11,000 registered forum users)
- Do you want to have a blog, move it to a new place or give it up?
- Should we still announce events and do sign-ups (we have thousands of historical sign-ups for Build a Cloud Days and user conferences and the capability to send invites to past attendees based on geography etc. baked into the site).
- There are 30,000+ people signed up for a newsletter on CloudStack.org<http://CloudStack.org> when we donated the project to the ASF I stopped sending updates. Do you want to start doing that to help promote the project, migrate to some new system or some other option.
My suggestion would be:
- Alias a new community approved domain to the existing site eg CloudStackUsers.org<http://CloudStackUsers.org>. test it to make sure it works and nothing's hard-coded or broken.
- Really make sure that the incubator site experience is good (my pet peeve is that there is no common navigation to get from bugs to docs to the main site)
- Then point CloudStack.org<http://CloudStack.org> to the Incubator site - http://incubator.apache.org/cloudstack/
- Divide content for Apache CloudStack development to CloudStack.org<http://CloudStack.org> and really work on the user experience for developers and start migrating content systematically to Apache.
- Come to consensus on what to do with the old content on CloudStack (i'll volunteer to keep it maintained and collaborate with whomever the PPMC wants to give access to is cool with me) until we decide.
Thoughts, flames, etc.?
Regards, Mark
Mark R. Hinkle
Senior Director, Cloud Computing Community
Citrix Systems
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On Oct 3, 2012, at 1:26 PM, Chip Childers <ch...@sungard.com>> wrote:
All,
I'd like to propose that Citrix (if willing) redirect cloudstack.org<http://cloudstack.org>
to http://incubator.apache.org/cloudstack/ and docs.cloudstack.org<http://docs.cloudstack.org> to
the appropriate sub-page of the ASF site.
Specifically, I'd like to propose that this happens as fast as
possible. The impact will be a simplified experience for users, once
we get through our first official ASF release.
I don't see any reason to wait...
Any concerns? Can someone make this happen?
-chip
Re: [ASFCS40] Redirect cloudstack.org and docs.cloudstack.org as part of
the 4.0 "release"
Posted by Joe Brockmeier <jz...@zonker.net>.
On Tue, Oct 23, 2012, at 12:17 PM, Alex Huang wrote:
> Dave,
>
> Do you have any details on progress on this?
I'm finishing up the content migration for a few pages, and then we'll
do the redirect before the release. I've talked to Infra and they say it
should be no problem to create a vhost that points cloudstack.org ->
what's in SVN for the site at http://incubator.apache.org/cloudstack/.
Best,
Joe
> --Alex
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Chip Childers [mailto:chip.childers@sungard.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 4:23 AM
> > To: <cl...@incubator.apache.org>
> > Subject: Re: [ASFCS40] Redirect cloudstack.org and docs.cloudstack.org as
> > part of the 4.0 "release"
> >
> > I'm not sure on the status, but a quick clarification: I don't think it's a blocker.
> > It's just a good idea to sync the timing.
> >
> > - chip
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone.
> >
> > On Oct 23, 2012, at 5:40 AM, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Did we get anywhere with this? Do we still consider it a 4.0 blocker?
> > >
> > > On 3 October 2012 18:26, Chip Childers <ch...@sungard.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >> All,
> > >>
> > >> I'd like to propose that Citrix (if willing) redirect cloudstack.org
> > >> to http://incubator.apache.org/cloudstack/ and docs.cloudstack.org to
> > >> the appropriate sub-page of the ASF site.
> > >>
> > >> Specifically, I'd like to propose that this happens as fast as
> > >> possible. The impact will be a simplified experience for users, once
> > >> we get through our first official ASF release.
> > >>
> > >> I don't see any reason to wait...
> > >>
> > >> Any concerns? Can someone make this happen?
> > >>
> > >> -chip
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > NS
--
Joe Brockmeier
jzb@zonker.net
Twitter: @jzb
http://www.dissociatedpress.net/
RE: [ASFCS40] Redirect cloudstack.org and docs.cloudstack.org as
part of the 4.0 "release"
Posted by Alex Huang <Al...@citrix.com>.
Dave,
Do you have any details on progress on this?
--Alex
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chip Childers [mailto:chip.childers@sungard.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 4:23 AM
> To: <cl...@incubator.apache.org>
> Subject: Re: [ASFCS40] Redirect cloudstack.org and docs.cloudstack.org as
> part of the 4.0 "release"
>
> I'm not sure on the status, but a quick clarification: I don't think it's a blocker.
> It's just a good idea to sync the timing.
>
> - chip
>
> Sent from my iPhone.
>
> On Oct 23, 2012, at 5:40 AM, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > Did we get anywhere with this? Do we still consider it a 4.0 blocker?
> >
> > On 3 October 2012 18:26, Chip Childers <ch...@sungard.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> All,
> >>
> >> I'd like to propose that Citrix (if willing) redirect cloudstack.org
> >> to http://incubator.apache.org/cloudstack/ and docs.cloudstack.org to
> >> the appropriate sub-page of the ASF site.
> >>
> >> Specifically, I'd like to propose that this happens as fast as
> >> possible. The impact will be a simplified experience for users, once
> >> we get through our first official ASF release.
> >>
> >> I don't see any reason to wait...
> >>
> >> Any concerns? Can someone make this happen?
> >>
> >> -chip
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > NS
Re: [ASFCS40] Redirect cloudstack.org and docs.cloudstack.org as part
of the 4.0 "release"
Posted by Chip Childers <ch...@sungard.com>.
I'm not sure on the status, but a quick clarification: I don't think
it's a blocker. It's just a good idea to sync the timing.
- chip
Sent from my iPhone.
On Oct 23, 2012, at 5:40 AM, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
> Did we get anywhere with this? Do we still consider it a 4.0 blocker?
>
> On 3 October 2012 18:26, Chip Childers <ch...@sungard.com> wrote:
>
>> All,
>>
>> I'd like to propose that Citrix (if willing) redirect cloudstack.org
>> to http://incubator.apache.org/cloudstack/ and docs.cloudstack.org to
>> the appropriate sub-page of the ASF site.
>>
>> Specifically, I'd like to propose that this happens as fast as
>> possible. The impact will be a simplified experience for users, once
>> we get through our first official ASF release.
>>
>> I don't see any reason to wait...
>>
>> Any concerns? Can someone make this happen?
>>
>> -chip
>
>
>
> --
> NS
Re: [ASFCS40] Redirect cloudstack.org and docs.cloudstack.org as part
of the 4.0 "release"
Posted by Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org>.
Did we get anywhere with this? Do we still consider it a 4.0 blocker?
On 3 October 2012 18:26, Chip Childers <ch...@sungard.com> wrote:
> All,
>
> I'd like to propose that Citrix (if willing) redirect cloudstack.org
> to http://incubator.apache.org/cloudstack/ and docs.cloudstack.org to
> the appropriate sub-page of the ASF site.
>
> Specifically, I'd like to propose that this happens as fast as
> possible. The impact will be a simplified experience for users, once
> we get through our first official ASF release.
>
> I don't see any reason to wait...
>
> Any concerns? Can someone make this happen?
>
> -chip
>
--
NS
Re: [ASFCS40] Redirect cloudstack.org and docs.cloudstack.org as part
of the 4.0 "release"
Posted by Chip Childers <ch...@sungard.com>.
Yup
If we lose things like the forums, that's actually not necessarily a
bad thing. Users should be interacting on the users mailing list! We
have a plan for the relevant ACS docs to be posted, and there's work
to get a cloudstack planet server up and running (to handle blog
aggregation, allowing more than the citrix community managers to share
content).
The confusion occurring right now is my primary concern... Now's the
time to fix it.
-chip
On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 3:59 PM, Hugo Trippaers
<HT...@schubergphilis.com> wrote:
> Sounds like a good plan. This means there will be less confusion and we only need to maintain one site.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Hugo
>
> Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad
>
> Op 3 okt. 2012 om 10:26 heeft "Chip Childers" <ch...@sungard.com> het volgende geschreven:
>
>> All,
>>
>> I'd like to propose that Citrix (if willing) redirect cloudstack.org
>> to http://incubator.apache.org/cloudstack/ and docs.cloudstack.org to
>> the appropriate sub-page of the ASF site.
>>
>> Specifically, I'd like to propose that this happens as fast as
>> possible. The impact will be a simplified experience for users, once
>> we get through our first official ASF release.
>>
>> I don't see any reason to wait...
>>
>> Any concerns? Can someone make this happen?
>>
>> -chip
>
Re: [ASFCS40] Redirect cloudstack.org and docs.cloudstack.org as
part of the 4.0 "release"
Posted by Hugo Trippaers <HT...@schubergphilis.com>.
Sounds like a good plan. This means there will be less confusion and we only need to maintain one site.
Cheers,
Hugo
Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad
Op 3 okt. 2012 om 10:26 heeft "Chip Childers" <ch...@sungard.com> het volgende geschreven:
> All,
>
> I'd like to propose that Citrix (if willing) redirect cloudstack.org
> to http://incubator.apache.org/cloudstack/ and docs.cloudstack.org to
> the appropriate sub-page of the ASF site.
>
> Specifically, I'd like to propose that this happens as fast as
> possible. The impact will be a simplified experience for users, once
> we get through our first official ASF release.
>
> I don't see any reason to wait...
>
> Any concerns? Can someone make this happen?
>
> -chip