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AJAX Testing
Hi All,
Is it possible to use jmeter to test AJAX based web pages? If so is it AJAX vendor version specific?
Thanks,
-Tony
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Re: AJAX Testing
Posted by daniel soto <ba...@decepticons.cl>.
Tony,
It is possible, you need to record the events with Http Proxy or Badboy.
2010/6/9 Tony Anecito <ad...@yahoo.com>
> Hi All,
>
> Is it possible to use jmeter to test AJAX based web pages? If so is it AJAX
> vendor version specific?
>
> Thanks,
> -Tony
>
>
>
>
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Re: AJAX Testing
Posted by Sean Tiley <se...@gmail.com>.
I would certainly be interested in such a webinar.
On Jun 12, 2010 1:04 AM, "Frank Cohen" <fr...@pushtotest.com> wrote:
Hi Everyone:
The upside of JMeter's protocol-focused testing is tremendous scale. One can
run thousands of test cases concurrently in a computer of modest
proportions.
The downside of this approach is that protocol-level testing is much more
difficult to apply to Web applications that maintain stateful operations in
the client. Many new systems I work with have data persistence, event
mechanisms, server daemon-based logic, custom business logic, and desktop
integration in a client running in the browser. Emulating all of this in a
protocol driven test is very difficult.
At PushToTest we implemented a test architecture using the Htmlunit headless
browser framework. Htmlunit runs the client, including Javascript from an
Ajax application, just as Firefox or Internet Explorer does. We can easily
instantiate hundreds of Htmlunit instances in the memory of a test running
machine. The downside to this approach is the need for more load test
running boxes to achieve your virtual user counts because of the significant
extra overhead.
There is a good alternative now available from PushToTest. TestMaker now
runs JMeter tests. This enables you to combine protocol driven tests with
SeleniumHtmlunit tests in one test use case. For example, a test use case
composed of multiple test steps runs a JMeter test, then shares the set
cookies and other values with a Selenium tests.
I would be happy to organize a live group Webinar-style meeting to show off
the new integration and discuss enhancements. Please let me know your
thoughts. Thanks.
-Frank
On Jun 9, 2010, at 7:00 PM, Deepak Shetty wrote:
> Hi
> well not exactly.
> An AJAX request is i...
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Twitter: fcohen, LinkedIn: Frank Cohen
Re: AJAX Testing
Posted by Frank Cohen <fr...@pushtotest.com>.
Hi Everyone:
The upside of JMeter's protocol-focused testing is tremendous scale.
One can run thousands of test cases concurrently in a computer of
modest proportions.
The downside of this approach is that protocol-level testing is much
more difficult to apply to Web applications that maintain stateful
operations in the client. Many new systems I work with have data
persistence, event mechanisms, server daemon-based logic, custom
business logic, and desktop integration in a client running in the
browser. Emulating all of this in a protocol driven test is very
difficult.
At PushToTest we implemented a test architecture using the Htmlunit
headless browser framework. Htmlunit runs the client, including
Javascript from an Ajax application, just as Firefox or Internet
Explorer does. We can easily instantiate hundreds of Htmlunit
instances in the memory of a test running machine. The downside to
this approach is the need for more load test running boxes to achieve
your virtual user counts because of the significant extra overhead.
There is a good alternative now available from PushToTest. TestMaker
now runs JMeter tests. This enables you to combine protocol driven
tests with SeleniumHtmlunit tests in one test use case. For example, a
test use case composed of multiple test steps runs a JMeter test, then
shares the set cookies and other values with a Selenium tests.
I would be happy to organize a live group Webinar-style meeting to
show off the new integration and discuss enhancements. Please let me
know your thoughts. Thanks.
-Frank
On Jun 9, 2010, at 7:00 PM, Deepak Shetty wrote:
> Hi
> well not exactly.
> An AJAX request is in the end an http request/response so yes JMeter
> can do
> that, and you can perform basic functional and performance tests.
>
> However Jmeter is not a browser and doesnt execute javascript and wont
> behave like it , so some of the things that people would like to do
> (e.g. an
> AJAX system that polls or responds to a user doing something like
> type half
> a word in a textbox ) cant be directly mapped to JMeter , though
> you'd
> probably have workarounds. JMeter also doesnt do well(but can still
> work)
> with dynamic systems like GWT whose outputted Javascript is a whole
> bunch of
> gibberish that needs to be carefully extracted and worked with.
> JMeter /
> Load Runner should have similar limits , the difference being that
> Jmeter
> makes its far easier than Load runner to perform the same task. If
> you can
> elaborate the problems you ran into with LoadRunner we could see if
> Jmeter
> can deal with the same issue.
>
> If your focus is a functional test then testing systems which drive
> the
> browser Selenium/Watir/QTP are better options , imo , than JMeter.
>
> regards
> deepak
>
> On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 3:30 PM, Tony Anecito <ad...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Deepak,
>>
>> Okay. To give you a better idea is I want to take a web app that
>> uses the
>> browser and execute a test case and then after is done rerun the
>> test case
>> through JMeter. The web app uses AJAX for parts of it.
>>
>> We use LoadRunner right now but we see/test so many different apps
>> and
>> LoadRunner has limits for testing web pages that use AJAX. So need
>> more info
>> about JMeter.
>>
>> Does that help?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> -Tony
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Deepak Shetty <sh...@gmail.com>
>> To: JMeter Users List <jm...@jakarta.apache.org>
>> Sent: Wed, June 9, 2010 2:23:12 PM
>> Subject: Re: AJAX Testing
>>
>> Yes but your mileage varies based on your expectations on the
>> meaning of
>> "test AJAX".
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Tony Anecito <ad...@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> Is it possible to use jmeter to test AJAX based web pages? If so
>>> is it
>> AJAX
>>> vendor version specific?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> -Tony
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Twitter: fcohen, LinkedIn: Frank Cohen
Re: AJAX Testing
Posted by Deepak Shetty <sh...@gmail.com>.
Im not sure I get the question, and perhaps the answers are different for
different type of samplers. If you have a specific sampler in mind (e.g.
HTTP Sampler) then the values being measured are pretty well defined.
In Jmeter the measurements are for samplers, so if you do some setup work in
say a pre processor , that time wont be counted (which may be a good or bad
thing)
regards
deepak
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 12:04 PM, Tony Anecito <ad...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I agree. There are issues with how far recorders can go before you need to
> write tests from scratch using client libraries rather than try to decode
> hex or worse from a recorder data file. Only issue then is what are you
> measuring the requests through the code plus network and system under test?
> I am not sure how JMeter deals with the measurements in that use case.
>
> Regards,
> -Tony
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Deepak Shetty <sh...@gmail.com>
> To: JMeter Users List <jm...@jakarta.apache.org>
> Sent: Thu, June 10, 2010 12:29:28 PM
> Subject: Re: AJAX Testing
>
> Hi
> So the way JMeter records the script using a HTTP Proxy (and Loadrunner is
> the same as far as I know), so the Javascript library used to implement the
> call is irrelevant. Only the HTTP request/Response matters. So if this is
> an
> issue with load runner it wont be with JMeter.
> (However Selenium/QTP which use the browser itself to record *may* have
> issues)
>
> However note that recording a script is just a utility to reduce the time
> needed to code the script. It has no bearing on running the script or even
> on creating it (manually or any other means). I know a lot of people get
> hung up on record / replay(but thats a separate rant!) , but from
> experience, for non trivial scripts, most of the time is spent elsewhere.
>
> regards
> deepak
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 11:19 AM, Tony Anecito <ad...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Deepak,
> >
> > From what I hear there are many implementations (javascript libraries)
> for
> > AJAX out in the world. HP Loadrunner record/playback only supports
> specific
> > implementations (two I think) for playback. When it records it has
> specific
> > c functions is uses that I suspect use AJAX libraries.
> >
> > Regards,
> > -Tony
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: Deepak Shetty <sh...@gmail.com>
> > To: JMeter Users List <jm...@jakarta.apache.org>
> > Sent: Thu, June 10, 2010 10:48:24 AM
> > Subject: Re: AJAX Testing
> >
> > Hi
> > >specific versions of AJAX
> > Im not sure what you mean by this statement. As before Jmeter (and
> > loadrunner) can send any HTTPRequest and an AJAX request is a HTTPRequest
> -
> > though i guess there might be limitations Im unaware of.
> > The problems usually arise when you javascript dynamically calculates
> data
> > ,
> > and since JMeter does not execute javascript, you have to calculate these
> > values yourself (an area where JMeter is still very good , but load
> runner
> > is pretty poor).
> >
> > regards
> > deepak
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 11:10 PM, Tony Anecito <ad...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Deepak,
> > >
> > > Loadrunner only supports specific versions of AJAX that is the issue.
> You
> > > never know what a vendor will throw at you.
> > >
> > > I am thinking of performance testing not functional.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > -Tony
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----
> > > From: Deepak Shetty <sh...@gmail.com>
> > > To: JMeter Users List <jm...@jakarta.apache.org>
> > > Sent: Wed, June 9, 2010 5:00:10 PM
> > > Subject: Re: AJAX Testing
> > >
> > > Hi
> > > well not exactly.
> > > An AJAX request is in the end an http request/response so yes JMeter
> can
> > do
> > > that, and you can perform basic functional and performance tests.
> > >
> > > However Jmeter is not a browser and doesnt execute javascript and wont
> > > behave like it , so some of the things that people would like to do
> (e.g.
> > > an
> > > AJAX system that polls or responds to a user doing something like type
> > half
> > > a word in a textbox ) cant be directly mapped to JMeter , though you'd
> > > probably have workarounds. JMeter also doesnt do well(but can still
> work)
> > > with dynamic systems like GWT whose outputted Javascript is a whole
> bunch
> > > of
> > > gibberish that needs to be carefully extracted and worked with. JMeter
> /
> > > Load Runner should have similar limits , the difference being that
> Jmeter
> > > makes its far easier than Load runner to perform the same task. If you
> > can
> > > elaborate the problems you ran into with LoadRunner we could see if
> > Jmeter
> > > can deal with the same issue.
> > >
> > > If your focus is a functional test then testing systems which drive the
> > > browser Selenium/Watir/QTP are better options , imo , than JMeter.
> > >
> > > regards
> > > deepak
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 3:30 PM, Tony Anecito <ad...@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Deepak,
> > > >
> > > > Okay. To give you a better idea is I want to take a web app that uses
> > the
> > > > browser and execute a test case and then after is done rerun the test
> > > case
> > > > through JMeter. The web app uses AJAX for parts of it.
> > > >
> > > > We use LoadRunner right now but we see/test so many different apps
> and
> > > > LoadRunner has limits for testing web pages that use AJAX. So need
> more
> > > info
> > > > about JMeter.
> > > >
> > > > Does that help?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > -Tony
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message ----
> > > > From: Deepak Shetty <sh...@gmail.com>
> > > > To: JMeter Users List <jm...@jakarta.apache.org>
> > > > Sent: Wed, June 9, 2010 2:23:12 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: AJAX Testing
> > > >
> > > > Yes but your mileage varies based on your expectations on the meaning
> > of
> > > > "test AJAX".
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Tony Anecito <ad...@yahoo.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi All,
> > > > >
> > > > > Is it possible to use jmeter to test AJAX based web pages? If so is
> > it
> > > > AJAX
> > > > > vendor version specific?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > -Tony
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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Re: AJAX Testing
Posted by Tony Anecito <ad...@yahoo.com>.
I agree. There are issues with how far recorders can go before you need to write tests from scratch using client libraries rather than try to decode hex or worse from a recorder data file. Only issue then is what are you measuring the requests through the code plus network and system under test?
I am not sure how JMeter deals with the measurements in that use case.
Regards,
-Tony
----- Original Message ----
From: Deepak Shetty <sh...@gmail.com>
To: JMeter Users List <jm...@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Thu, June 10, 2010 12:29:28 PM
Subject: Re: AJAX Testing
Hi
So the way JMeter records the script using a HTTP Proxy (and Loadrunner is
the same as far as I know), so the Javascript library used to implement the
call is irrelevant. Only the HTTP request/Response matters. So if this is an
issue with load runner it wont be with JMeter.
(However Selenium/QTP which use the browser itself to record *may* have
issues)
However note that recording a script is just a utility to reduce the time
needed to code the script. It has no bearing on running the script or even
on creating it (manually or any other means). I know a lot of people get
hung up on record / replay(but thats a separate rant!) , but from
experience, for non trivial scripts, most of the time is spent elsewhere.
regards
deepak
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 11:19 AM, Tony Anecito <ad...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi Deepak,
>
> From what I hear there are many implementations (javascript libraries) for
> AJAX out in the world. HP Loadrunner record/playback only supports specific
> implementations (two I think) for playback. When it records it has specific
> c functions is uses that I suspect use AJAX libraries.
>
> Regards,
> -Tony
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Deepak Shetty <sh...@gmail.com>
> To: JMeter Users List <jm...@jakarta.apache.org>
> Sent: Thu, June 10, 2010 10:48:24 AM
> Subject: Re: AJAX Testing
>
> Hi
> >specific versions of AJAX
> Im not sure what you mean by this statement. As before Jmeter (and
> loadrunner) can send any HTTPRequest and an AJAX request is a HTTPRequest -
> though i guess there might be limitations Im unaware of.
> The problems usually arise when you javascript dynamically calculates data
> ,
> and since JMeter does not execute javascript, you have to calculate these
> values yourself (an area where JMeter is still very good , but load runner
> is pretty poor).
>
> regards
> deepak
>
> On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 11:10 PM, Tony Anecito <ad...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Deepak,
> >
> > Loadrunner only supports specific versions of AJAX that is the issue. You
> > never know what a vendor will throw at you.
> >
> > I am thinking of performance testing not functional.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > -Tony
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: Deepak Shetty <sh...@gmail.com>
> > To: JMeter Users List <jm...@jakarta.apache.org>
> > Sent: Wed, June 9, 2010 5:00:10 PM
> > Subject: Re: AJAX Testing
> >
> > Hi
> > well not exactly.
> > An AJAX request is in the end an http request/response so yes JMeter can
> do
> > that, and you can perform basic functional and performance tests.
> >
> > However Jmeter is not a browser and doesnt execute javascript and wont
> > behave like it , so some of the things that people would like to do (e.g.
> > an
> > AJAX system that polls or responds to a user doing something like type
> half
> > a word in a textbox ) cant be directly mapped to JMeter , though you'd
> > probably have workarounds. JMeter also doesnt do well(but can still work)
> > with dynamic systems like GWT whose outputted Javascript is a whole bunch
> > of
> > gibberish that needs to be carefully extracted and worked with. JMeter /
> > Load Runner should have similar limits , the difference being that Jmeter
> > makes its far easier than Load runner to perform the same task. If you
> can
> > elaborate the problems you ran into with LoadRunner we could see if
> Jmeter
> > can deal with the same issue.
> >
> > If your focus is a functional test then testing systems which drive the
> > browser Selenium/Watir/QTP are better options , imo , than JMeter.
> >
> > regards
> > deepak
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 3:30 PM, Tony Anecito <ad...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Deepak,
> > >
> > > Okay. To give you a better idea is I want to take a web app that uses
> the
> > > browser and execute a test case and then after is done rerun the test
> > case
> > > through JMeter. The web app uses AJAX for parts of it.
> > >
> > > We use LoadRunner right now but we see/test so many different apps and
> > > LoadRunner has limits for testing web pages that use AJAX. So need more
> > info
> > > about JMeter.
> > >
> > > Does that help?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > -Tony
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----
> > > From: Deepak Shetty <sh...@gmail.com>
> > > To: JMeter Users List <jm...@jakarta.apache.org>
> > > Sent: Wed, June 9, 2010 2:23:12 PM
> > > Subject: Re: AJAX Testing
> > >
> > > Yes but your mileage varies based on your expectations on the meaning
> of
> > > "test AJAX".
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Tony Anecito <ad...@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi All,
> > > >
> > > > Is it possible to use jmeter to test AJAX based web pages? If so is
> it
> > > AJAX
> > > > vendor version specific?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > -Tony
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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Re: AJAX Testing
Posted by Deepak Shetty <sh...@gmail.com>.
Hi
So the way JMeter records the script using a HTTP Proxy (and Loadrunner is
the same as far as I know), so the Javascript library used to implement the
call is irrelevant. Only the HTTP request/Response matters. So if this is an
issue with load runner it wont be with JMeter.
(However Selenium/QTP which use the browser itself to record *may* have
issues)
However note that recording a script is just a utility to reduce the time
needed to code the script. It has no bearing on running the script or even
on creating it (manually or any other means). I know a lot of people get
hung up on record / replay(but thats a separate rant!) , but from
experience, for non trivial scripts, most of the time is spent elsewhere.
regards
deepak
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 11:19 AM, Tony Anecito <ad...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi Deepak,
>
> From what I hear there are many implementations (javascript libraries) for
> AJAX out in the world. HP Loadrunner record/playback only supports specific
> implementations (two I think) for playback. When it records it has specific
> c functions is uses that I suspect use AJAX libraries.
>
> Regards,
> -Tony
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Deepak Shetty <sh...@gmail.com>
> To: JMeter Users List <jm...@jakarta.apache.org>
> Sent: Thu, June 10, 2010 10:48:24 AM
> Subject: Re: AJAX Testing
>
> Hi
> >specific versions of AJAX
> Im not sure what you mean by this statement. As before Jmeter (and
> loadrunner) can send any HTTPRequest and an AJAX request is a HTTPRequest -
> though i guess there might be limitations Im unaware of.
> The problems usually arise when you javascript dynamically calculates data
> ,
> and since JMeter does not execute javascript, you have to calculate these
> values yourself (an area where JMeter is still very good , but load runner
> is pretty poor).
>
> regards
> deepak
>
> On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 11:10 PM, Tony Anecito <ad...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Deepak,
> >
> > Loadrunner only supports specific versions of AJAX that is the issue. You
> > never know what a vendor will throw at you.
> >
> > I am thinking of performance testing not functional.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > -Tony
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: Deepak Shetty <sh...@gmail.com>
> > To: JMeter Users List <jm...@jakarta.apache.org>
> > Sent: Wed, June 9, 2010 5:00:10 PM
> > Subject: Re: AJAX Testing
> >
> > Hi
> > well not exactly.
> > An AJAX request is in the end an http request/response so yes JMeter can
> do
> > that, and you can perform basic functional and performance tests.
> >
> > However Jmeter is not a browser and doesnt execute javascript and wont
> > behave like it , so some of the things that people would like to do (e.g.
> > an
> > AJAX system that polls or responds to a user doing something like type
> half
> > a word in a textbox ) cant be directly mapped to JMeter , though you'd
> > probably have workarounds. JMeter also doesnt do well(but can still work)
> > with dynamic systems like GWT whose outputted Javascript is a whole bunch
> > of
> > gibberish that needs to be carefully extracted and worked with. JMeter /
> > Load Runner should have similar limits , the difference being that Jmeter
> > makes its far easier than Load runner to perform the same task. If you
> can
> > elaborate the problems you ran into with LoadRunner we could see if
> Jmeter
> > can deal with the same issue.
> >
> > If your focus is a functional test then testing systems which drive the
> > browser Selenium/Watir/QTP are better options , imo , than JMeter.
> >
> > regards
> > deepak
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 3:30 PM, Tony Anecito <ad...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Deepak,
> > >
> > > Okay. To give you a better idea is I want to take a web app that uses
> the
> > > browser and execute a test case and then after is done rerun the test
> > case
> > > through JMeter. The web app uses AJAX for parts of it.
> > >
> > > We use LoadRunner right now but we see/test so many different apps and
> > > LoadRunner has limits for testing web pages that use AJAX. So need more
> > info
> > > about JMeter.
> > >
> > > Does that help?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > -Tony
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----
> > > From: Deepak Shetty <sh...@gmail.com>
> > > To: JMeter Users List <jm...@jakarta.apache.org>
> > > Sent: Wed, June 9, 2010 2:23:12 PM
> > > Subject: Re: AJAX Testing
> > >
> > > Yes but your mileage varies based on your expectations on the meaning
> of
> > > "test AJAX".
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Tony Anecito <ad...@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi All,
> > > >
> > > > Is it possible to use jmeter to test AJAX based web pages? If so is
> it
> > > AJAX
> > > > vendor version specific?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > -Tony
> > > >
> > > >
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Re: AJAX Testing
Posted by Tony Anecito <ad...@yahoo.com>.
Hi Deepak,
From what I hear there are many implementations (javascript libraries) for AJAX out in the world. HP Loadrunner record/playback only supports specific implementations (two I think) for playback. When it records it has specific c functions is uses that I suspect use AJAX libraries.
Regards,
-Tony
----- Original Message ----
From: Deepak Shetty <sh...@gmail.com>
To: JMeter Users List <jm...@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Thu, June 10, 2010 10:48:24 AM
Subject: Re: AJAX Testing
Hi
>specific versions of AJAX
Im not sure what you mean by this statement. As before Jmeter (and
loadrunner) can send any HTTPRequest and an AJAX request is a HTTPRequest -
though i guess there might be limitations Im unaware of.
The problems usually arise when you javascript dynamically calculates data ,
and since JMeter does not execute javascript, you have to calculate these
values yourself (an area where JMeter is still very good , but load runner
is pretty poor).
regards
deepak
On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 11:10 PM, Tony Anecito <ad...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi Deepak,
>
> Loadrunner only supports specific versions of AJAX that is the issue. You
> never know what a vendor will throw at you.
>
> I am thinking of performance testing not functional.
>
> Thanks,
> -Tony
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Deepak Shetty <sh...@gmail.com>
> To: JMeter Users List <jm...@jakarta.apache.org>
> Sent: Wed, June 9, 2010 5:00:10 PM
> Subject: Re: AJAX Testing
>
> Hi
> well not exactly.
> An AJAX request is in the end an http request/response so yes JMeter can do
> that, and you can perform basic functional and performance tests.
>
> However Jmeter is not a browser and doesnt execute javascript and wont
> behave like it , so some of the things that people would like to do (e.g.
> an
> AJAX system that polls or responds to a user doing something like type half
> a word in a textbox ) cant be directly mapped to JMeter , though you'd
> probably have workarounds. JMeter also doesnt do well(but can still work)
> with dynamic systems like GWT whose outputted Javascript is a whole bunch
> of
> gibberish that needs to be carefully extracted and worked with. JMeter /
> Load Runner should have similar limits , the difference being that Jmeter
> makes its far easier than Load runner to perform the same task. If you can
> elaborate the problems you ran into with LoadRunner we could see if Jmeter
> can deal with the same issue.
>
> If your focus is a functional test then testing systems which drive the
> browser Selenium/Watir/QTP are better options , imo , than JMeter.
>
> regards
> deepak
>
> On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 3:30 PM, Tony Anecito <ad...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Deepak,
> >
> > Okay. To give you a better idea is I want to take a web app that uses the
> > browser and execute a test case and then after is done rerun the test
> case
> > through JMeter. The web app uses AJAX for parts of it.
> >
> > We use LoadRunner right now but we see/test so many different apps and
> > LoadRunner has limits for testing web pages that use AJAX. So need more
> info
> > about JMeter.
> >
> > Does that help?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > -Tony
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: Deepak Shetty <sh...@gmail.com>
> > To: JMeter Users List <jm...@jakarta.apache.org>
> > Sent: Wed, June 9, 2010 2:23:12 PM
> > Subject: Re: AJAX Testing
> >
> > Yes but your mileage varies based on your expectations on the meaning of
> > "test AJAX".
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Tony Anecito <ad...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > Is it possible to use jmeter to test AJAX based web pages? If so is it
> > AJAX
> > > vendor version specific?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > -Tony
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Re: AJAX Testing
Posted by Deepak Shetty <sh...@gmail.com>.
Hi
>specific versions of AJAX
Im not sure what you mean by this statement. As before Jmeter (and
loadrunner) can send any HTTPRequest and an AJAX request is a HTTPRequest -
though i guess there might be limitations Im unaware of.
The problems usually arise when you javascript dynamically calculates data ,
and since JMeter does not execute javascript, you have to calculate these
values yourself (an area where JMeter is still very good , but load runner
is pretty poor).
regards
deepak
On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 11:10 PM, Tony Anecito <ad...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi Deepak,
>
> Loadrunner only supports specific versions of AJAX that is the issue. You
> never know what a vendor will throw at you.
>
> I am thinking of performance testing not functional.
>
> Thanks,
> -Tony
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Deepak Shetty <sh...@gmail.com>
> To: JMeter Users List <jm...@jakarta.apache.org>
> Sent: Wed, June 9, 2010 5:00:10 PM
> Subject: Re: AJAX Testing
>
> Hi
> well not exactly.
> An AJAX request is in the end an http request/response so yes JMeter can do
> that, and you can perform basic functional and performance tests.
>
> However Jmeter is not a browser and doesnt execute javascript and wont
> behave like it , so some of the things that people would like to do (e.g.
> an
> AJAX system that polls or responds to a user doing something like type half
> a word in a textbox ) cant be directly mapped to JMeter , though you'd
> probably have workarounds. JMeter also doesnt do well(but can still work)
> with dynamic systems like GWT whose outputted Javascript is a whole bunch
> of
> gibberish that needs to be carefully extracted and worked with. JMeter /
> Load Runner should have similar limits , the difference being that Jmeter
> makes its far easier than Load runner to perform the same task. If you can
> elaborate the problems you ran into with LoadRunner we could see if Jmeter
> can deal with the same issue.
>
> If your focus is a functional test then testing systems which drive the
> browser Selenium/Watir/QTP are better options , imo , than JMeter.
>
> regards
> deepak
>
> On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 3:30 PM, Tony Anecito <ad...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Deepak,
> >
> > Okay. To give you a better idea is I want to take a web app that uses the
> > browser and execute a test case and then after is done rerun the test
> case
> > through JMeter. The web app uses AJAX for parts of it.
> >
> > We use LoadRunner right now but we see/test so many different apps and
> > LoadRunner has limits for testing web pages that use AJAX. So need more
> info
> > about JMeter.
> >
> > Does that help?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > -Tony
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: Deepak Shetty <sh...@gmail.com>
> > To: JMeter Users List <jm...@jakarta.apache.org>
> > Sent: Wed, June 9, 2010 2:23:12 PM
> > Subject: Re: AJAX Testing
> >
> > Yes but your mileage varies based on your expectations on the meaning of
> > "test AJAX".
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Tony Anecito <ad...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > Is it possible to use jmeter to test AJAX based web pages? If so is it
> > AJAX
> > > vendor version specific?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > -Tony
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Re: AJAX Testing
Posted by Tony Anecito <ad...@yahoo.com>.
Hi Deepak,
Loadrunner only supports specific versions of AJAX that is the issue. You never know what a vendor will throw at you.
I am thinking of performance testing not functional.
Thanks,
-Tony
----- Original Message ----
From: Deepak Shetty <sh...@gmail.com>
To: JMeter Users List <jm...@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Wed, June 9, 2010 5:00:10 PM
Subject: Re: AJAX Testing
Hi
well not exactly.
An AJAX request is in the end an http request/response so yes JMeter can do
that, and you can perform basic functional and performance tests.
However Jmeter is not a browser and doesnt execute javascript and wont
behave like it , so some of the things that people would like to do (e.g. an
AJAX system that polls or responds to a user doing something like type half
a word in a textbox ) cant be directly mapped to JMeter , though you'd
probably have workarounds. JMeter also doesnt do well(but can still work)
with dynamic systems like GWT whose outputted Javascript is a whole bunch of
gibberish that needs to be carefully extracted and worked with. JMeter /
Load Runner should have similar limits , the difference being that Jmeter
makes its far easier than Load runner to perform the same task. If you can
elaborate the problems you ran into with LoadRunner we could see if Jmeter
can deal with the same issue.
If your focus is a functional test then testing systems which drive the
browser Selenium/Watir/QTP are better options , imo , than JMeter.
regards
deepak
On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 3:30 PM, Tony Anecito <ad...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi Deepak,
>
> Okay. To give you a better idea is I want to take a web app that uses the
> browser and execute a test case and then after is done rerun the test case
> through JMeter. The web app uses AJAX for parts of it.
>
> We use LoadRunner right now but we see/test so many different apps and
> LoadRunner has limits for testing web pages that use AJAX. So need more info
> about JMeter.
>
> Does that help?
>
> Thanks,
> -Tony
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Deepak Shetty <sh...@gmail.com>
> To: JMeter Users List <jm...@jakarta.apache.org>
> Sent: Wed, June 9, 2010 2:23:12 PM
> Subject: Re: AJAX Testing
>
> Yes but your mileage varies based on your expectations on the meaning of
> "test AJAX".
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Tony Anecito <ad...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi All,
> >
> > Is it possible to use jmeter to test AJAX based web pages? If so is it
> AJAX
> > vendor version specific?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > -Tony
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: AJAX Testing
Posted by Deepak Shetty <sh...@gmail.com>.
Hi
well not exactly.
An AJAX request is in the end an http request/response so yes JMeter can do
that, and you can perform basic functional and performance tests.
However Jmeter is not a browser and doesnt execute javascript and wont
behave like it , so some of the things that people would like to do (e.g. an
AJAX system that polls or responds to a user doing something like type half
a word in a textbox ) cant be directly mapped to JMeter , though you'd
probably have workarounds. JMeter also doesnt do well(but can still work)
with dynamic systems like GWT whose outputted Javascript is a whole bunch of
gibberish that needs to be carefully extracted and worked with. JMeter /
Load Runner should have similar limits , the difference being that Jmeter
makes its far easier than Load runner to perform the same task. If you can
elaborate the problems you ran into with LoadRunner we could see if Jmeter
can deal with the same issue.
If your focus is a functional test then testing systems which drive the
browser Selenium/Watir/QTP are better options , imo , than JMeter.
regards
deepak
On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 3:30 PM, Tony Anecito <ad...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi Deepak,
>
> Okay. To give you a better idea is I want to take a web app that uses the
> browser and execute a test case and then after is done rerun the test case
> through JMeter. The web app uses AJAX for parts of it.
>
> We use LoadRunner right now but we see/test so many different apps and
> LoadRunner has limits for testing web pages that use AJAX. So need more info
> about JMeter.
>
> Does that help?
>
> Thanks,
> -Tony
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Deepak Shetty <sh...@gmail.com>
> To: JMeter Users List <jm...@jakarta.apache.org>
> Sent: Wed, June 9, 2010 2:23:12 PM
> Subject: Re: AJAX Testing
>
> Yes but your mileage varies based on your expectations on the meaning of
> "test AJAX".
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Tony Anecito <ad...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi All,
> >
> > Is it possible to use jmeter to test AJAX based web pages? If so is it
> AJAX
> > vendor version specific?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > -Tony
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: AJAX Testing
Posted by Tony Anecito <ad...@yahoo.com>.
Hi Deepak,
Okay. To give you a better idea is I want to take a web app that uses the browser and execute a test case and then after is done rerun the test case through JMeter. The web app uses AJAX for parts of it.
We use LoadRunner right now but we see/test so many different apps and LoadRunner has limits for testing web pages that use AJAX. So need more info about JMeter.
Does that help?
Thanks,
-Tony
----- Original Message ----
From: Deepak Shetty <sh...@gmail.com>
To: JMeter Users List <jm...@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Wed, June 9, 2010 2:23:12 PM
Subject: Re: AJAX Testing
Yes but your mileage varies based on your expectations on the meaning of
"test AJAX".
On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Tony Anecito <ad...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Is it possible to use jmeter to test AJAX based web pages? If so is it AJAX
> vendor version specific?
>
> Thanks,
> -Tony
>
>
>
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Re: AJAX Testing
Posted by Deepak Shetty <sh...@gmail.com>.
Yes but your mileage varies based on your expectations on the meaning of
"test AJAX".
On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Tony Anecito <ad...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Is it possible to use jmeter to test AJAX based web pages? If so is it AJAX
> vendor version specific?
>
> Thanks,
> -Tony
>
>
>
>
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