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Posted to dev@commons.apache.org by Tim O'Brien <to...@discursive.com> on 2003/05/29 23:59:16 UTC
Re: [PROPOSAL] sandbox karma for "Howard M. Lewis Ship"
hlship@apache.org
+1, but I'm not really sure if this is a binding vote. Assume, I'm
voting as Commons committer *only*.
I'm a little confused, my understanding of the current system is: Any
Jakarta Committer can simply ask for karma to the sandbox. Someone like
Craig usually just makes the appropriate changes to the avail file (or
so I assume), and the deal is done.
So, Tapestry just navigated the Incubator, and is now a part of
Jakarta. Howard is a Jakarta committer, and all he has to do is ask.
That's straightforward, no PMC vote, no Commons Committer vote needed.
I believe that someone just needs to give him karma - that would be in
line with past practices.
The confusing part comes in when someone who is not a Jakarta Committer
wants access to the commons-sandbox. I think people just wanted
non-Jakarta committers to have the approval of the Jakarta PMC before
being granted karma. I'm not batting for that "side" per se, but the
PMC maintains an oversight role for new committers (i.e. requests for
new accounts come from the PMC) - the "opposition" in this case just
wants the PMC to have some oversight when a non-Jakarta committer
requests access. Does that make any sense?
In Howard's case, he's a Tapestry committer - I don't see the need for a
vote.
(which includes a lot of Ant, DB, James, Maven committers
On Thu, 2003-05-29 at 18:57, dion@multitask.com.au wrote:
> +1
> --
> dIon Gillard, Multitask Consulting
> Blog: http://www.freeroller.net/page/dion/Weblog
> Work: http://www.multitask.com.au
>
>
> robert burrell donkin <rd...@apache.org> wrote on 30/05/2003 07:27:29
> AM:
>
> > Howard M. Lewis Ship (well known as a leading light of the recently
> > incubated tapestry project) would like access to the commons-sandbox in
> > order to work on a new component as outlined below in the following
> email:
> >
> >
> http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=jakarta-commons-dev&m=105416555202303&w=2
> >
> > i'd like to propose that we grant him karma.
> >
> > (i know that the debate about processes is still on going but i thought
> > that might as well have an example to talk about ;)
> >
> > - robert
> >
> >
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RE: [PROPOSAL] sandbox karma for "Howard M. Lewis Ship"hlship@apache.org
Posted by "Howard M. Lewis Ship" <hl...@attbi.com>.
Well, either someone granted it to me, or I already had it ... my initial HiveMind stuff is up.
--
Howard M. Lewis Ship
Creator, Tapestry: Java Web Components
http://jakarta.apache.org/tapestry
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stephen Colebourne [mailto:scolebourne@btopenworld.com]
> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 3:38 PM
> To: Jakarta Commons Developers List
> Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] sandbox karma for "Howard M. Lewis
> Ship"hlship@apache.org
>
>
> I agree with Tim, Howard should just be granted karma I believe...
> +1 otherwise
> Stephen
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tim O'Brien" <to...@discursive.com>
> To: "Jakarta Commons Developers List" <co...@jakarta.apache.org>
> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 10:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] sandbox karma for "Howard M. Lewis
> Ship"hlship@apache.org
>
>
> > +1, but I'm not really sure if this is a binding vote. Assume, I'm
> > voting as Commons committer *only*.
> >
> > I'm a little confused, my understanding of the current
> system is: Any
> > Jakarta Committer can simply ask for karma to the sandbox. Someone
> > like Craig usually just makes the appropriate changes to the avail
> > file (or so I assume), and the deal is done.
> >
> > So, Tapestry just navigated the Incubator, and is now a part of
> > Jakarta. Howard is a Jakarta committer, and all he has to
> do is ask.
> > That's straightforward, no PMC vote, no Commons Committer
> vote needed.
> > I believe that someone just needs to give him karma - that
> would be in
> > line with past practices.
> >
> > The confusing part comes in when someone who is not a Jakarta
> > Committer wants access to the commons-sandbox. I think people just
> > wanted non-Jakarta committers to have the approval of the
> Jakarta PMC
> > before being granted karma. I'm not batting for that
> "side" per se,
> > but the PMC maintains an oversight role for new committers (i.e.
> > requests for new accounts come from the PMC) - the "opposition" in
> > this case just wants the PMC to have some oversight when a
> non-Jakarta
> > committer requests access. Does that make any sense?
> >
> > In Howard's case, he's a Tapestry committer - I don't see
> the need for
> > a vote.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > (which includes a lot of Ant, DB, James, Maven committers
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 2003-05-29 at 18:57, dion@multitask.com.au wrote:
> > > +1
> > > --
> > > dIon Gillard, Multitask Consulting
> > > Blog: http://www.freeroller.net/page/dion/Weblog
> > > Work: http://www.multitask.com.au
> > >
> > >
> > > robert burrell donkin <rd...@apache.org> wrote on 30/05/2003
> > > 07:27:29
> > > AM:
> > >
> > > > Howard M. Lewis Ship (well known as a leading light of the
> > > > recently incubated tapestry project) would like access to the
> > > > commons-sandbox
> in
> > > > order to work on a new component as outlined below in the
> > > > following
> > > email:
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=jakarta-commons-dev&m=10541655
5202303&w=2
> > >
> > > i'd like to propose that we grant him karma.
> > >
> > > (i know that the debate about processes is still on going but i
thought
> > > that might as well have an example to talk about ;)
> > >
> > > - robert
> > >
> > >
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> > > ---
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> > >
> >
> >
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> >
>
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Re: [PROPOSAL] sandbox karma for "Howard M. Lewis Ship"hlship@apache.org
Posted by robert burrell donkin <ro...@blueyonder.co.uk>.
things are a little confused but this is the way i see it...
infrastructure aren't really happy with people being granted access
without going through the jakarta pmc. as far as what process is necessary,
that's up to the jakarta pmc. (there doesn't seem to be much enthusiasm
on there for formal voting so i'll just be lazy consensus.) we don't need
a vote on the commons list but someone needs post a request to the jakarta
pmc.
i don't think that the [PROPOSAL] prefix was a good idea and probably the
way howard did it was better (posting a personal request to the pmc).
- robert
On Friday, May 30, 2003, at 08:37 PM, Stephen Colebourne wrote:
> I agree with Tim, Howard should just be granted karma I believe...
> +1 otherwise
> Stephen
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tim O'Brien" <to...@discursive.com>
> To: "Jakarta Commons Developers List" <co...@jakarta.apache.org>
> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 10:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] sandbox karma for "Howard M. Lewis
> Ship"hlship@apache.org
>
>
>> +1, but I'm not really sure if this is a binding vote. Assume, I'm
>> voting as Commons committer *only*.
>>
>> I'm a little confused, my understanding of the current system is: Any
>> Jakarta Committer can simply ask for karma to the sandbox. Someone like
>> Craig usually just makes the appropriate changes to the avail file (or
>> so I assume), and the deal is done.
>>
>> So, Tapestry just navigated the Incubator, and is now a part of
>> Jakarta. Howard is a Jakarta committer, and all he has to do is ask.
>> That's straightforward, no PMC vote, no Commons Committer vote needed.
>> I believe that someone just needs to give him karma - that would be in
>> line with past practices.
>>
>> The confusing part comes in when someone who is not a Jakarta Committer
>> wants access to the commons-sandbox. I think people just wanted
>> non-Jakarta committers to have the approval of the Jakarta PMC before
>> being granted karma. I'm not batting for that "side" per se, but the
>> PMC maintains an oversight role for new committers (i.e. requests for
>> new accounts come from the PMC) - the "opposition" in this case just
>> wants the PMC to have some oversight when a non-Jakarta committer
>> requests access. Does that make any sense?
>>
>> In Howard's case, he's a Tapestry committer - I don't see the need for a
>> vote.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> (which includes a lot of Ant, DB, James, Maven committers
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 2003-05-29 at 18:57, dion@multitask.com.au wrote:
>>> +1
>>> --
>>> dIon Gillard, Multitask Consulting
>>> Blog: http://www.freeroller.net/page/dion/Weblog
>>> Work: http://www.multitask.com.au
>>>
>>>
>>> robert burrell donkin <rd...@apache.org> wrote on 30/05/2003 07:27:29
>>> AM:
>>>
>>>> Howard M. Lewis Ship (well known as a leading light of the recently
>>>> incubated tapestry project) would like access to the commons-sandbox
> in
>>>> order to work on a new component as outlined below in the following
>>> email:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
> http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=jakarta-commons-dev&m=105416555202303&w=2
>>>>
>>>> i'd like to propose that we grant him karma.
>>>>
>>>> (i know that the debate about processes is still on going but i
> thought
>>>> that might as well have an example to talk about ;)
>>>>
>>>> - robert
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: commons-dev-unsubscribe@jakarta.apache.org
>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: commons-dev-help@jakarta.apache.org
>>>>
>>>
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Re: [PROPOSAL] sandbox karma for "Howard M. Lewis Ship"hlship@apache.org
Posted by Stephen Colebourne <sc...@btopenworld.com>.
I agree with Tim, Howard should just be granted karma I believe...
+1 otherwise
Stephen
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim O'Brien" <to...@discursive.com>
To: "Jakarta Commons Developers List" <co...@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 10:59 PM
Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] sandbox karma for "Howard M. Lewis
Ship"hlship@apache.org
> +1, but I'm not really sure if this is a binding vote. Assume, I'm
> voting as Commons committer *only*.
>
> I'm a little confused, my understanding of the current system is: Any
> Jakarta Committer can simply ask for karma to the sandbox. Someone like
> Craig usually just makes the appropriate changes to the avail file (or
> so I assume), and the deal is done.
>
> So, Tapestry just navigated the Incubator, and is now a part of
> Jakarta. Howard is a Jakarta committer, and all he has to do is ask.
> That's straightforward, no PMC vote, no Commons Committer vote needed.
> I believe that someone just needs to give him karma - that would be in
> line with past practices.
>
> The confusing part comes in when someone who is not a Jakarta Committer
> wants access to the commons-sandbox. I think people just wanted
> non-Jakarta committers to have the approval of the Jakarta PMC before
> being granted karma. I'm not batting for that "side" per se, but the
> PMC maintains an oversight role for new committers (i.e. requests for
> new accounts come from the PMC) - the "opposition" in this case just
> wants the PMC to have some oversight when a non-Jakarta committer
> requests access. Does that make any sense?
>
> In Howard's case, he's a Tapestry committer - I don't see the need for a
> vote.
>
>
>
>
>
> (which includes a lot of Ant, DB, James, Maven committers
>
>
> On Thu, 2003-05-29 at 18:57, dion@multitask.com.au wrote:
> > +1
> > --
> > dIon Gillard, Multitask Consulting
> > Blog: http://www.freeroller.net/page/dion/Weblog
> > Work: http://www.multitask.com.au
> >
> >
> > robert burrell donkin <rd...@apache.org> wrote on 30/05/2003 07:27:29
> > AM:
> >
> > > Howard M. Lewis Ship (well known as a leading light of the recently
> > > incubated tapestry project) would like access to the commons-sandbox
in
> > > order to work on a new component as outlined below in the following
> > email:
> > >
> > >
> >
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=jakarta-commons-dev&m=105416555202303&w=2
> > >
> > > i'd like to propose that we grant him karma.
> > >
> > > (i know that the debate about processes is still on going but i
thought
> > > that might as well have an example to talk about ;)
> > >
> > > - robert
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> >
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