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Posted to dev@community.apache.org by Hyunsik Choi <hy...@apache.org> on 2013/03/31 08:54:06 UTC
Seoul Tajo Meetup
Hi all,
I'm a PPMC member of Tajo poddling. I will host a local meetup for Tajo in
Seoul, South Korea. You can see the mailing thread about this meetup from
http://markmail.org/message/kzselcwriwssjzve.
I'm a newbie in ComDev. This is my first meetup for some ASF project. If
there are things that I should know about hosting a local meetup, please
let me know.
Best regards,
Hyunsik
Re: Seoul Tajo Meetup
Posted by Hyunsik Choi <hy...@gmail.com>.
Hi Ross,
I really appreciate your comment and suggestion. I'll keep in mind your
comment.
So far, I haven't known concom. I've just read the wiki page (
http://wiki.apache.org/concom-planning/ConComSupportedEvents) about concom.
It looks a very useful support. However, I'll consider concom's support
next time because fortunately the local company Gruter already supports
this meetup.
Best regards,
Hyunsik
On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 6:03 PM, Ross Gardler <rg...@opendirective.com>wrote:
> It is great to hear of your efforts. Ted already provided valuable
> feedback. The most important being "if it didn't happen on the list it
> didn't happen" - as Ted says this doesn't mean you can't do face to face
> meetings, just that they can only develop proposals that must later be
> shared with the list.
>
> You should also be aware that the events are supported by the conference
> committee. I've cc'd that list for you so they are aware of your efforts.
> The approval process is one of lazy consensus so you need take no further
> action as you already indicated PPMC involvement, which is the maim
> prerequisite.
>
> Let us, or concom know if you need any support and please let us know how
> you get on.
>
> Ross
>
> Sent from a mobile device, please excuse mistakes and brevity
> On 31 Mar 2013 07:54, "Hyunsik Choi" <hy...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I'm a PPMC member of Tajo poddling. I will host a local meetup for Tajo
> in
> > Seoul, South Korea. You can see the mailing thread about this meetup from
> > http://markmail.org/message/kzselcwriwssjzve.
> >
> > I'm a newbie in ComDev. This is my first meetup for some ASF project. If
> > there are things that I should know about hosting a local meetup, please
> > let me know.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Hyunsik
> >
>
Re: Seoul Tajo Meetup
Posted by "Mattmann, Chris A (388J)" <ch...@jpl.nasa.gov>.
Great work all around, Hyunsik.
Cheers,
Chris
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-----Original Message-----
From: Hyunsik Choi <hy...@gmail.com>
Reply-To: "dev@community.apache.org" <de...@community.apache.org>
Date: Sunday, March 31, 2013 7:40 AM
To: ComDev <de...@community.apache.org>
Cc: "concom@apache.org" <co...@apache.org>
Subject: Re: Seoul Tajo Meetup
>Ted,
>
>In this meetup, I'll just give an overview of Tajo and the roadmap
>described in Tajo wiki. Even though there is no any discussion leading
>some
>decision, I'll share the summary of everything happened in the meetup on
>mailing list :)
>
>Thanks,
>Hyunsik
>
>
>On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 8:17 PM, Ted Dunning <te...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>> Talking in Korean will definitely decrease the demand from outside of
>> Korea. As long as you summarize on-list and decide there, I don't
>>think it
>> is all that different from simply being in an inconvenient time-zone.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Ross Gardler
>> <rg...@opendirective.com>wrote:
>>
>> > It is great to hear of your efforts. Ted already provided valuable
>> > feedback. The most important being "if it didn't happen on the list it
>> > didn't happen" - as Ted says this doesn't mean you can't do face to
>>face
>> > meetings, just that they can only develop proposals that must later be
>> > shared with the list.
>> >
>> > You should also be aware that the events are supported by the
>>conference
>> > committee. I've cc'd that list for you so they are aware of your
>>efforts.
>> > The approval process is one of lazy consensus so you need take no
>>further
>> > action as you already indicated PPMC involvement, which is the maim
>> > prerequisite.
>> >
>> > Let us, or concom know if you need any support and please let us know
>>how
>> > you get on.
>> >
>> > Ross
>> >
>> > Sent from a mobile device, please excuse mistakes and brevity
>> > On 31 Mar 2013 07:54, "Hyunsik Choi" <hy...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Hi all,
>> > >
>> > > I'm a PPMC member of Tajo poddling. I will host a local meetup for
>>Tajo
>> > in
>> > > Seoul, South Korea. You can see the mailing thread about this meetup
>> from
>> > > http://markmail.org/message/kzselcwriwssjzve.
>> > >
>> > > I'm a newbie in ComDev. This is my first meetup for some ASF
>>project.
>> If
>> > > there are things that I should know about hosting a local meetup,
>> please
>> > > let me know.
>> > >
>> > > Best regards,
>> > > Hyunsik
>> > >
>> >
>>
Re: Seoul Tajo Meetup
Posted by Hyunsik Choi <hy...@gmail.com>.
Ted,
In this meetup, I'll just give an overview of Tajo and the roadmap
described in Tajo wiki. Even though there is no any discussion leading some
decision, I'll share the summary of everything happened in the meetup on
mailing list :)
Thanks,
Hyunsik
On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 8:17 PM, Ted Dunning <te...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Talking in Korean will definitely decrease the demand from outside of
> Korea. As long as you summarize on-list and decide there, I don't think it
> is all that different from simply being in an inconvenient time-zone.
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Ross Gardler
> <rg...@opendirective.com>wrote:
>
> > It is great to hear of your efforts. Ted already provided valuable
> > feedback. The most important being "if it didn't happen on the list it
> > didn't happen" - as Ted says this doesn't mean you can't do face to face
> > meetings, just that they can only develop proposals that must later be
> > shared with the list.
> >
> > You should also be aware that the events are supported by the conference
> > committee. I've cc'd that list for you so they are aware of your efforts.
> > The approval process is one of lazy consensus so you need take no further
> > action as you already indicated PPMC involvement, which is the maim
> > prerequisite.
> >
> > Let us, or concom know if you need any support and please let us know how
> > you get on.
> >
> > Ross
> >
> > Sent from a mobile device, please excuse mistakes and brevity
> > On 31 Mar 2013 07:54, "Hyunsik Choi" <hy...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > I'm a PPMC member of Tajo poddling. I will host a local meetup for Tajo
> > in
> > > Seoul, South Korea. You can see the mailing thread about this meetup
> from
> > > http://markmail.org/message/kzselcwriwssjzve.
> > >
> > > I'm a newbie in ComDev. This is my first meetup for some ASF project.
> If
> > > there are things that I should know about hosting a local meetup,
> please
> > > let me know.
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > > Hyunsik
> > >
> >
>
Re: Seoul Tajo Meetup
Posted by Ted Dunning <te...@gmail.com>.
Talking in Korean will definitely decrease the demand from outside of
Korea. As long as you summarize on-list and decide there, I don't think it
is all that different from simply being in an inconvenient time-zone.
On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Ross Gardler
<rg...@opendirective.com>wrote:
> It is great to hear of your efforts. Ted already provided valuable
> feedback. The most important being "if it didn't happen on the list it
> didn't happen" - as Ted says this doesn't mean you can't do face to face
> meetings, just that they can only develop proposals that must later be
> shared with the list.
>
> You should also be aware that the events are supported by the conference
> committee. I've cc'd that list for you so they are aware of your efforts.
> The approval process is one of lazy consensus so you need take no further
> action as you already indicated PPMC involvement, which is the maim
> prerequisite.
>
> Let us, or concom know if you need any support and please let us know how
> you get on.
>
> Ross
>
> Sent from a mobile device, please excuse mistakes and brevity
> On 31 Mar 2013 07:54, "Hyunsik Choi" <hy...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I'm a PPMC member of Tajo poddling. I will host a local meetup for Tajo
> in
> > Seoul, South Korea. You can see the mailing thread about this meetup from
> > http://markmail.org/message/kzselcwriwssjzve.
> >
> > I'm a newbie in ComDev. This is my first meetup for some ASF project. If
> > there are things that I should know about hosting a local meetup, please
> > let me know.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Hyunsik
> >
>
Re: Seoul Tajo Meetup
Posted by Ross Gardler <rg...@opendirective.com>.
It is great to hear of your efforts. Ted already provided valuable
feedback. The most important being "if it didn't happen on the list it
didn't happen" - as Ted says this doesn't mean you can't do face to face
meetings, just that they can only develop proposals that must later be
shared with the list.
You should also be aware that the events are supported by the conference
committee. I've cc'd that list for you so they are aware of your efforts.
The approval process is one of lazy consensus so you need take no further
action as you already indicated PPMC involvement, which is the maim
prerequisite.
Let us, or concom know if you need any support and please let us know how
you get on.
Ross
Sent from a mobile device, please excuse mistakes and brevity
On 31 Mar 2013 07:54, "Hyunsik Choi" <hy...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm a PPMC member of Tajo poddling. I will host a local meetup for Tajo in
> Seoul, South Korea. You can see the mailing thread about this meetup from
> http://markmail.org/message/kzselcwriwssjzve.
>
> I'm a newbie in ComDev. This is my first meetup for some ASF project. If
> there are things that I should know about hosting a local meetup, please
> let me know.
>
> Best regards,
> Hyunsik
>
Re: Seoul Tajo Meetup
Posted by Hyunsik Choi <hy...@gmail.com>.
In addition, I'll try to find a means for sharing this meetup if there are
calls from others who are not in Seoul. However, we will have a talk in
Korean because not all participants can speak in English.
Thanks,
Hyunsik
On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Ted Dunning <te...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hyunsik,
>
> Good for you for driving community.
>
> There will definitely be calls from others who are not local to your meetup
> to be able to hear or see what happens and if possible to interact as well.
> It is good if you can provide some of that.
>
> Also, remember that "if it doesn't happen on the mailing list, it doesn't
> happen at Apache". This means that you should inform people about what is
> happening, but you should avoid making decisions about the project at a
> meetup like this. Make the decisions collaboratively on the mailing list
> instead. If there are useful discussions at the user group that seem to
> lead to decisions, have the discussions, but report them to the mailing
> list and, again, make the decisions there.
>
> This is very similar to the advice about avoiding a single key developer
> for a project. Make sure you spread the load in order to build a
> survivable community.
>
> This is going to be much more cumbersome than the decision and interaction
> processes that the Tajo project used before it was the Apache Tajo project,
> but that is part of what comes with being an Apache project.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 7:54 AM, Hyunsik Choi <hy...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I'm a PPMC member of Tajo poddling. I will host a local meetup for Tajo
> in
> > Seoul, South Korea. You can see the mailing thread about this meetup from
> > http://markmail.org/message/kzselcwriwssjzve.
> >
> > I'm a newbie in ComDev. This is my first meetup for some ASF project. If
> > there are things that I should know about hosting a local meetup, please
> > let me know.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Hyunsik
> >
>
Re: Seoul Tajo Meetup
Posted by Hyunsik Choi <hy...@apache.org>.
Hi Ted,
Thank you for your advice. I'm happy to learn about the Apache way from the
seniors including you. I'll remember a couple of things you mentioned.
Best regards,
Hyunsik
On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Ted Dunning <te...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hyunsik,
>
> Good for you for driving community.
>
> There will definitely be calls from others who are not local to your meetup
> to be able to hear or see what happens and if possible to interact as well.
> It is good if you can provide some of that.
>
> Also, remember that "if it doesn't happen on the mailing list, it doesn't
> happen at Apache". This means that you should inform people about what is
> happening, but you should avoid making decisions about the project at a
> meetup like this. Make the decisions collaboratively on the mailing list
> instead. If there are useful discussions at the user group that seem to
> lead to decisions, have the discussions, but report them to the mailing
> list and, again, make the decisions there.
>
> This is very similar to the advice about avoiding a single key developer
> for a project. Make sure you spread the load in order to build a
> survivable community.
>
> This is going to be much more cumbersome than the decision and interaction
> processes that the Tajo project used before it was the Apache Tajo project,
> but that is part of what comes with being an Apache project.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 7:54 AM, Hyunsik Choi <hy...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I'm a PPMC member of Tajo poddling. I will host a local meetup for Tajo
> in
> > Seoul, South Korea. You can see the mailing thread about this meetup from
> > http://markmail.org/message/kzselcwriwssjzve.
> >
> > I'm a newbie in ComDev. This is my first meetup for some ASF project. If
> > there are things that I should know about hosting a local meetup, please
> > let me know.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Hyunsik
> >
>
Re: Seoul Tajo Meetup
Posted by Ted Dunning <te...@gmail.com>.
Hyunsik,
Good for you for driving community.
There will definitely be calls from others who are not local to your meetup
to be able to hear or see what happens and if possible to interact as well.
It is good if you can provide some of that.
Also, remember that "if it doesn't happen on the mailing list, it doesn't
happen at Apache". This means that you should inform people about what is
happening, but you should avoid making decisions about the project at a
meetup like this. Make the decisions collaboratively on the mailing list
instead. If there are useful discussions at the user group that seem to
lead to decisions, have the discussions, but report them to the mailing
list and, again, make the decisions there.
This is very similar to the advice about avoiding a single key developer
for a project. Make sure you spread the load in order to build a
survivable community.
This is going to be much more cumbersome than the decision and interaction
processes that the Tajo project used before it was the Apache Tajo project,
but that is part of what comes with being an Apache project.
On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 7:54 AM, Hyunsik Choi <hy...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm a PPMC member of Tajo poddling. I will host a local meetup for Tajo in
> Seoul, South Korea. You can see the mailing thread about this meetup from
> http://markmail.org/message/kzselcwriwssjzve.
>
> I'm a newbie in ComDev. This is my first meetup for some ASF project. If
> there are things that I should know about hosting a local meetup, please
> let me know.
>
> Best regards,
> Hyunsik
>