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Re-install VM
Hi
We are using CS 3.0.1 and XENSERVER, seems to me there is no where I
can find a re-install option for the VM, does that means if we want to
re-install the system, we either need to do it manually by console
with ISO or we have to destroy it and create a new one?
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RE: Re-install VM
Posted by Frank Zhang <Fr...@citrix.com>.
> > This is interesting. If you reinstall the VM, you cannot expand its hardware
> resource.
> > How does OnApp do this ?
>
> It allow scale up or down by even 1mb of ram for each vm, also many vps
> solutions even support that, e.g solusvm.
>
> So you can adjust resource court by 1mhz of CPU or 1mb of ram etc, by that
> way customer are able to scale up or down their vms.
So that's more like virtual machine management software that you can specify CPU/Memory with a value when you creating it? And next time you reboot it, you can re-edit the value?
> >
> >>>>
> >>>> Just my 2 cents.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 11:24 PM, Frank Zhang
> >>>> <Fr...@citrix.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> As traditional understanding of re-install means you re-install
> >>>>>> OS just like you do with a physical server.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> So you changed the OS while keeped all your IPs, hardwares
> >> unchanged.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> in case of VM, for example, we want to reinstall a centos 5.6 vm
> >>>>>> to a centos
> >>>>>> 6.2 template(not iso), seems there is no way to do it but
> >>>>>> destory-
> >> recreate.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> This is actually how cloud works. You can recreate a new VM from
> >>>>> the same service offering, so you hardware not changed apart from
> >>>>> IP address. But I didn't see it will affect your business in
> >>>>> terms of ip address change. If it did, you will re-consider your
> >>>>> deploy plan as your services should be behind a load balancer or
> >>>>> DNAT where your
> >>>> internal ip addresses not exposed to clients.
> >>>>> If your services rely on static network, for example, distributed
> >>>>> software using TCP to do discovery must know ip address of all
> >>>>> nodes, you have to change the configuration manually (However, a
> >>>>> sophisticated design should have a configuration repo centrally,
> >>>>> that would
> >>>> ease the task of upgrading each node).
> >>>>> By nature of cloud, static network is not a main concern
> >>>>> currently, the ip address allocation should be handled by machine, not
> human.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 10:53 PM, Anthony Xu
> >>>>>> <Xu...@citrix.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>> Can you elaborate what's re-install?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Re-install from the same ISO or different ISO?
> >>>>>>> What's the difference from installing a new VM from ISO?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> In CloudStack , VM is not OS agnostic for some hypervisors.
> >>>>>>> CloudStack
> >>>>>> needs to track the VM OS type.
> >>>>>>> If CloudStack allows installing from ISO for an existing VM, it
> >>>>>>> may lose the
> >>>>>> OS type VM information.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Anthony
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>> From: Lu Heng [mailto:h.lu@anytimechinese.com]
> >>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 12:09 PM
> >>>>>>>> To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org
> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Re-install VM
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Hi
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Thanks for replying
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> And why there is no simple re-install options?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Sounds to me re-install options like tranditional VPS have will
> >>>>>>>> make life lot ealier than the way you have descriped
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 8:45 PM, Anthony Xu
> >>>>>>>> <Xu...@citrix.com>
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> There is no re-install option.
> >>>>>>>>> You can create a snapshot after you install a VM from ISO,
> >>>>>>>>> then you
> >>>>>>>> can create a template from this snapshot, then you can create a
> >>>>>>>> VM from the template, the VM should like a freshly reinstalled
> VM.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Anthony
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>>>> From: Lu Heng [mailto:h.lu@anytimechinese.com]
> >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 9:25 AM
> >>>>>>>>>> To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org
> >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re-install VM
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Hi
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> We are using CS 3.0.1 and XENSERVER, seems to me there is no
> >>>>>>>>>> where I can find a re-install option for the VM, does that
> >>>>>>>>>> means if we want
> >>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>> re-install the system, we either need to do it manually by
> >>>>>>>>>> console with ISO or we have to destroy it and create a new one?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>> Kind regards.
> >>>>>>>>>> Lu
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> >>>>>>>> Lu
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Re: Re-install VM
Posted by "H.Lu" <h....@anytimechinese.com>.
Hi
Kind regards
Lu
在 2012-7-24，上午12:32，Frank Zhang <Fr...@citrix.com> 写道：
>> Hi
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 12:02 AM, Frank Zhang <Fr...@citrix.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks for replying.
>>>>
>>>> but service offering is not a flexible solution, you can not easily
>>>> scale up or scale down a vm by a small change(e.g. add 128MB RAM),
>>>> you have to create a new service offering just for this additional
>>>> 128MB RAM, in which took a lot of time(correct me if I was wrong here).
>>>>
>>>> So to replicate the simple re-install process by creating new service
>>>> offering for each VM, does not sounds to me a very optimal solution.
>>>
>>> In a typical cloud deployment, VMs should be always categorized in ranks
>> marking by service offering.
>>> Updating one VM in a rank usually means you are creating a new
>>> category, this may be a little fussy to isolated case, but in product
>>> deployment it benefits a lot when you need to upgrade the whole rank of
>> VMs.
>>> Still, reinstall will be definitely slower than recreating from a new
>>> service offering
>>>
>>>
>> It might be very true for private cloud deployment, but it is very unconvinced
>> for public cloud, as each customer(and often they only need 1 VM at their
>> configure) need silently different configure, and you are not able to adjust it
>> every time you create it.
>>
>> Even though onapp has very huge gap towards both CS and
>> Openstack(especially in networking), but still it is most hosting company
>> friendly.
>>
>> Many feature in the CS seems to be design to be the private cloud for single
>> enterprise to visualize their production environmental, while it is not that
>> friendly towards hosting solutions.
>
> This is interesting. If you reinstall the VM, you cannot expand its hardware resource.
> How does OnApp do this ?
It allow scale up or down by even 1mb of ram for each vm, also many vps solutions even support that, e.g solusvm.
So you can adjust resource court by 1mhz of CPU or 1mb of ram etc, by that way customer are able to scale up or down their vms.
>
>>>>
>>>> Just my 2 cents.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 11:24 PM, Frank Zhang
>>>> <Fr...@citrix.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As traditional understanding of re-install means you re-install OS
>>>>>> just like you do with a physical server.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So you changed the OS while keeped all your IPs, hardwares
>> unchanged.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> in case of VM, for example, we want to reinstall a centos 5.6 vm
>>>>>> to a centos
>>>>>> 6.2 template(not iso), seems there is no way to do it but destory-
>> recreate.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is actually how cloud works. You can recreate a new VM from
>>>>> the same service offering, so you hardware not changed apart from
>>>>> IP address. But I didn't see it will affect your business in terms
>>>>> of ip address change. If it did, you will re-consider your deploy
>>>>> plan as your services should be behind a load balancer or DNAT
>>>>> where your
>>>> internal ip addresses not exposed to clients.
>>>>> If your services rely on static network, for example, distributed
>>>>> software using TCP to do discovery must know ip address of all
>>>>> nodes, you have to change the configuration manually (However, a
>>>>> sophisticated design should have a configuration repo centrally,
>>>>> that would
>>>> ease the task of upgrading each node).
>>>>> By nature of cloud, static network is not a main concern currently,
>>>>> the ip address allocation should be handled by machine, not human.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 10:53 PM, Anthony Xu
>>>>>> <Xu...@citrix.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Can you elaborate what's re-install?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Re-install from the same ISO or different ISO?
>>>>>>> What's the difference from installing a new VM from ISO?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In CloudStack , VM is not OS agnostic for some hypervisors.
>>>>>>> CloudStack
>>>>>> needs to track the VM OS type.
>>>>>>> If CloudStack allows installing from ISO for an existing VM, it
>>>>>>> may lose the
>>>>>> OS type VM information.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anthony
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Lu Heng [mailto:h.lu@anytimechinese.com]
>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 12:09 PM
>>>>>>>> To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Re-install VM
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks for replying
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And why there is no simple re-install options?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sounds to me re-install options like tranditional VPS have will
>>>>>>>> make life lot ealier than the way you have descriped
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 8:45 PM, Anthony Xu
>>>>>>>> <Xu...@citrix.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> There is no re-install option.
>>>>>>>>> You can create a snapshot after you install a VM from ISO,
>>>>>>>>> then you
>>>>>>>> can create a template from this snapshot, then you can create a
>>>>>>>> VM from the template, the VM should like a freshly reinstalled VM.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Anthony
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: Lu Heng [mailto:h.lu@anytimechinese.com]
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 9:25 AM
>>>>>>>>>> To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re-install VM
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We are using CS 3.0.1 and XENSERVER, seems to me there is no
>>>>>>>>>> where I can find a re-install option for the VM, does that
>>>>>>>>>> means if we want
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> re-install the system, we either need to do it manually by
>>>>>>>>>> console with ISO or we have to destroy it and create a new one?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Kind regards.
>>>>>>>>>> Lu
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This transmission is intended solely for the addressee(s)
>>>>>>>>>> shown
>>>>>>>> above.
>>>>>>>>>> It may contain information that is privileged, confidential
>>>>>>>>>> or otherwise protected from disclosure. Any review,
>>>>>>>>>> dissemination or
>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>>>> of this transmission or its contents by persons other than
>>>>>>>>>> the intended addressee(s) is strictly prohibited. If you
>>>>>>>>>> have received this transmission in error, please notify this
>>>>>>>>>> office immediately
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> e-mail the original at the sender's address above by
>>>>>>>>>> replying to
>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>> message and including the text of the transmission received.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Kind regards.
>>>>>>>> Lu
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This transmission is intended solely for the addressee(s) shown
>> above.
>>>>>>>> It may contain information that is privileged, confidential or
>>>>>>>> otherwise protected from disclosure. Any review, dissemination
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>>>>>>>> office immediately and e-mail the original at the sender's
>>>>>>>> address above by replying to this message and including the text of
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Kind regards.
>>>>>> Lu
>>>>>>
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>>>> Lu
>>>>
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>> Lu
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RE: Re-install VM
Posted by Frank Zhang <Fr...@citrix.com>.
> Hi
>
> On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 12:02 AM, Frank Zhang <Fr...@citrix.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks for replying.
> >>
> >> but service offering is not a flexible solution, you can not easily
> >> scale up or scale down a vm by a small change(e.g. add 128MB RAM),
> >> you have to create a new service offering just for this additional
> >> 128MB RAM, in which took a lot of time(correct me if I was wrong here).
> >>
> >> So to replicate the simple re-install process by creating new service
> >> offering for each VM, does not sounds to me a very optimal solution.
> >
> > In a typical cloud deployment, VMs should be always categorized in ranks
> marking by service offering.
> > Updating one VM in a rank usually means you are creating a new
> > category, this may be a little fussy to isolated case, but in product
> > deployment it benefits a lot when you need to upgrade the whole rank of
> VMs.
> > Still, reinstall will be definitely slower than recreating from a new
> > service offering
> >
> >
> It might be very true for private cloud deployment, but it is very unconvinced
> for public cloud, as each customer(and often they only need 1 VM at their
> configure) need silently different configure, and you are not able to adjust it
> every time you create it.
>
> Even though onapp has very huge gap towards both CS and
> Openstack(especially in networking), but still it is most hosting company
> friendly.
>
> Many feature in the CS seems to be design to be the private cloud for single
> enterprise to visualize their production environmental, while it is not that
> friendly towards hosting solutions.
This is interesting. If you reinstall the VM, you cannot expand its hardware resource.
How does OnApp do this ?
> >>
> >> Just my 2 cents.
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 11:24 PM, Frank Zhang
> >> <Fr...@citrix.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> Hi
> >> >>
> >> >> As traditional understanding of re-install means you re-install OS
> >> >> just like you do with a physical server.
> >> >>
> >> >> So you changed the OS while keeped all your IPs, hardwares
> unchanged.
> >> >>
> >> >> in case of VM, for example, we want to reinstall a centos 5.6 vm
> >> >> to a centos
> >> >> 6.2 template(not iso), seems there is no way to do it but destory-
> recreate.
> >> >
> >> > This is actually how cloud works. You can recreate a new VM from
> >> > the same service offering, so you hardware not changed apart from
> >> > IP address. But I didn't see it will affect your business in terms
> >> > of ip address change. If it did, you will re-consider your deploy
> >> > plan as your services should be behind a load balancer or DNAT
> >> > where your
> >> internal ip addresses not exposed to clients.
> >> > If your services rely on static network, for example, distributed
> >> > software using TCP to do discovery must know ip address of all
> >> > nodes, you have to change the configuration manually (However, a
> >> > sophisticated design should have a configuration repo centrally,
> >> > that would
> >> ease the task of upgrading each node).
> >> > By nature of cloud, static network is not a main concern currently,
> >> > the ip address allocation should be handled by machine, not human.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 10:53 PM, Anthony Xu
> >> >> <Xu...@citrix.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >> > Can you elaborate what's re-install?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Re-install from the same ISO or different ISO?
> >> >> > What's the difference from installing a new VM from ISO?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > In CloudStack , VM is not OS agnostic for some hypervisors.
> >> >> > CloudStack
> >> >> needs to track the VM OS type.
> >> >> > If CloudStack allows installing from ISO for an existing VM, it
> >> >> > may lose the
> >> >> OS type VM information.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Anthony
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> >> From: Lu Heng [mailto:h.lu@anytimechinese.com]
> >> >> >> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 12:09 PM
> >> >> >> To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org
> >> >> >> Subject: Re: Re-install VM
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Hi
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Thanks for replying
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> And why there is no simple re-install options?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Sounds to me re-install options like tranditional VPS have will
> >> >> >> make life lot ealier than the way you have descriped
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 8:45 PM, Anthony Xu
> >> >> >> <Xu...@citrix.com>
> >> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >> > There is no re-install option.
> >> >> >> > You can create a snapshot after you install a VM from ISO,
> >> >> >> > then you
> >> >> >> can create a template from this snapshot, then you can create a
> >> >> >> VM from the template, the VM should like a freshly reinstalled VM.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Anthony
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> >> >> From: Lu Heng [mailto:h.lu@anytimechinese.com]
> >> >> >> >> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 9:25 AM
> >> >> >> >> To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org
> >> >> >> >> Subject: Re-install VM
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Hi
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> We are using CS 3.0.1 and XENSERVER, seems to me there is no
> >> >> >> >> where I can find a re-install option for the VM, does that
> >> >> >> >> means if we want
> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> >> re-install the system, we either need to do it manually by
> >> >> >> >> console with ISO or we have to destroy it and create a new one?
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >> >> Kind regards.
> >> >> >> >> Lu
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> This transmission is intended solely for the addressee(s)
> >> >> >> >> shown
> >> >> >> above.
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> >> >> >> >> of this transmission or its contents by persons other than
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> >> >> >> Lu
> >> >> >>
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> >> >> Lu
> >> >>
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>
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> Lu
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Re: Re-install VM
Posted by Lu Heng <h....@anytimechinese.com>.
Hi
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 12:02 AM, Frank Zhang <Fr...@citrix.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for replying.
>>
>> but service offering is not a flexible solution, you can not easily scale up or
>> scale down a vm by a small change(e.g. add 128MB RAM), you have to create
>> a new service offering just for this additional 128MB RAM, in which took a lot
>> of time(correct me if I was wrong here).
>>
>> So to replicate the simple re-install process by creating new service offering
>> for each VM, does not sounds to me a very optimal solution.
>
> In a typical cloud deployment, VMs should be always categorized in ranks marking by service offering.
> Updating one VM in a rank usually means you are creating a new category, this may be a little fussy to
> isolated case, but in product deployment it benefits a lot when you need to upgrade the whole rank
> of VMs.
> Still, reinstall will be definitely slower than recreating from a new service offering
>
>
It might be very true for private cloud deployment, but it is very
unconvinced for public cloud, as each customer(and often they only
need 1 VM at their configure) need silently different configure, and
you are not able to adjust it every time you create it.
Even though onapp has very huge gap towards both CS and
Openstack(especially in networking), but still it is most hosting
company friendly.
Many feature in the CS seems to be design to be the private cloud for
single enterprise to visualize their production environmental, while
it is not that friendly towards hosting solutions.
>>
>> Just my 2 cents.
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 11:24 PM, Frank Zhang <Fr...@citrix.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Hi
>> >>
>> >> As traditional understanding of re-install means you re-install OS
>> >> just like you do with a physical server.
>> >>
>> >> So you changed the OS while keeped all your IPs, hardwares unchanged.
>> >>
>> >> in case of VM, for example, we want to reinstall a centos 5.6 vm to a
>> >> centos
>> >> 6.2 template(not iso), seems there is no way to do it but destory-recreate.
>> >
>> > This is actually how cloud works. You can recreate a new VM from the
>> > same service offering, so you hardware not changed apart from IP
>> > address. But I didn't see it will affect your business in terms of ip
>> > address change. If it did, you will re-consider your deploy plan as
>> > your services should be behind a load balancer or DNAT where your
>> internal ip addresses not exposed to clients.
>> > If your services rely on static network, for example, distributed
>> > software using TCP to do discovery must know ip address of all nodes,
>> > you have to change the configuration manually (However, a
>> > sophisticated design should have a configuration repo centrally, that would
>> ease the task of upgrading each node).
>> > By nature of cloud, static network is not a main concern currently,
>> > the ip address allocation should be handled by machine, not human.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 10:53 PM, Anthony Xu <Xu...@citrix.com>
>> wrote:
>> >> > Can you elaborate what's re-install?
>> >> >
>> >> > Re-install from the same ISO or different ISO?
>> >> > What's the difference from installing a new VM from ISO?
>> >> >
>> >> > In CloudStack , VM is not OS agnostic for some hypervisors.
>> >> > CloudStack
>> >> needs to track the VM OS type.
>> >> > If CloudStack allows installing from ISO for an existing VM, it may
>> >> > lose the
>> >> OS type VM information.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Anthony
>> >> >
>> >> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> >> From: Lu Heng [mailto:h.lu@anytimechinese.com]
>> >> >> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 12:09 PM
>> >> >> To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org
>> >> >> Subject: Re: Re-install VM
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Hi
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Thanks for replying
>> >> >>
>> >> >> And why there is no simple re-install options?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Sounds to me re-install options like tranditional VPS have will
>> >> >> make life lot ealier than the way you have descriped
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 8:45 PM, Anthony Xu <Xu...@citrix.com>
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> > There is no re-install option.
>> >> >> > You can create a snapshot after you install a VM from ISO, then
>> >> >> > you
>> >> >> can create a template from this snapshot, then you can create a VM
>> >> >> from the template, the VM should like a freshly reinstalled VM.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Anthony
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> >> >> From: Lu Heng [mailto:h.lu@anytimechinese.com]
>> >> >> >> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 9:25 AM
>> >> >> >> To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org
>> >> >> >> Subject: Re-install VM
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Hi
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> We are using CS 3.0.1 and XENSERVER, seems to me there is no
>> >> >> >> where I can find a re-install option for the VM, does that
>> >> >> >> means if we want
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> >> re-install the system, we either need to do it manually by
>> >> >> >> console with ISO or we have to destroy it and create a new one?
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> --
>> >> >> >> --
>> >> >> >> Kind regards.
>> >> >> >> Lu
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RE: Re-install VM
Posted by Frank Zhang <Fr...@citrix.com>.
> Thanks for replying.
>
> but service offering is not a flexible solution, you can not easily scale up or
> scale down a vm by a small change(e.g. add 128MB RAM), you have to create
> a new service offering just for this additional 128MB RAM, in which took a lot
> of time(correct me if I was wrong here).
>
> So to replicate the simple re-install process by creating new service offering
> for each VM, does not sounds to me a very optimal solution.
In a typical cloud deployment, VMs should be always categorized in ranks marking by service offering.
Updating one VM in a rank usually means you are creating a new category, this may be a little fussy to
isolated case, but in product deployment it benefits a lot when you need to upgrade the whole rank
of VMs.
Still, reinstall will be definitely slower than recreating from a new service offering
>
> Just my 2 cents.
>
> On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 11:24 PM, Frank Zhang <Fr...@citrix.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Hi
> >>
> >> As traditional understanding of re-install means you re-install OS
> >> just like you do with a physical server.
> >>
> >> So you changed the OS while keeped all your IPs, hardwares unchanged.
> >>
> >> in case of VM, for example, we want to reinstall a centos 5.6 vm to a
> >> centos
> >> 6.2 template(not iso), seems there is no way to do it but destory-recreate.
> >
> > This is actually how cloud works. You can recreate a new VM from the
> > same service offering, so you hardware not changed apart from IP
> > address. But I didn't see it will affect your business in terms of ip
> > address change. If it did, you will re-consider your deploy plan as
> > your services should be behind a load balancer or DNAT where your
> internal ip addresses not exposed to clients.
> > If your services rely on static network, for example, distributed
> > software using TCP to do discovery must know ip address of all nodes,
> > you have to change the configuration manually (However, a
> > sophisticated design should have a configuration repo centrally, that would
> ease the task of upgrading each node).
> > By nature of cloud, static network is not a main concern currently,
> > the ip address allocation should be handled by machine, not human.
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 10:53 PM, Anthony Xu <Xu...@citrix.com>
> wrote:
> >> > Can you elaborate what's re-install?
> >> >
> >> > Re-install from the same ISO or different ISO?
> >> > What's the difference from installing a new VM from ISO?
> >> >
> >> > In CloudStack , VM is not OS agnostic for some hypervisors.
> >> > CloudStack
> >> needs to track the VM OS type.
> >> > If CloudStack allows installing from ISO for an existing VM, it may
> >> > lose the
> >> OS type VM information.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Anthony
> >> >
> >> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> From: Lu Heng [mailto:h.lu@anytimechinese.com]
> >> >> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 12:09 PM
> >> >> To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org
> >> >> Subject: Re: Re-install VM
> >> >>
> >> >> Hi
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks for replying
> >> >>
> >> >> And why there is no simple re-install options?
> >> >>
> >> >> Sounds to me re-install options like tranditional VPS have will
> >> >> make life lot ealier than the way you have descriped
> >> >>
> >> >> On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 8:45 PM, Anthony Xu <Xu...@citrix.com>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> > There is no re-install option.
> >> >> > You can create a snapshot after you install a VM from ISO, then
> >> >> > you
> >> >> can create a template from this snapshot, then you can create a VM
> >> >> from the template, the VM should like a freshly reinstalled VM.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Anthony
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> >> From: Lu Heng [mailto:h.lu@anytimechinese.com]
> >> >> >> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 9:25 AM
> >> >> >> To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org
> >> >> >> Subject: Re-install VM
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Hi
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> We are using CS 3.0.1 and XENSERVER, seems to me there is no
> >> >> >> where I can find a re-install option for the VM, does that
> >> >> >> means if we want
> >> >> to
> >> >> >> re-install the system, we either need to do it manually by
> >> >> >> console with ISO or we have to destroy it and create a new one?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >> Kind regards.
> >> >> >> Lu
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> This transmission is intended solely for the addressee(s) shown
> >> >> above.
> >> >> >> It may contain information that is privileged, confidential or
> >> >> >> otherwise protected from disclosure. Any review, dissemination
> >> >> >> or
> >> >> use
> >> >> >> of this transmission or its contents by persons other than the
> >> >> >> intended addressee(s) is strictly prohibited. If you have
> >> >> >> received this transmission in error, please notify this office
> >> >> >> immediately
> >> >> and
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> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> --
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> >> >> Lu
> >> >>
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Re: Re-install VM
Posted by Lu Heng <h....@anytimechinese.com>.
Hi Zhang:
Thanks for replying.
but service offering is not a flexible solution, you can not easily
scale up or scale down a vm by a small change(e.g. add 128MB RAM), you
have to create a new service offering just for this additional 128MB
RAM, in which took a lot of time(correct me if I was wrong here).
So to replicate the simple re-install process by creating new service
offering for each VM, does not sounds to me a very optimal solution.
Just my 2 cents.
On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 11:24 PM, Frank Zhang <Fr...@citrix.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> As traditional understanding of re-install means you re-install OS just like you
>> do with a physical server.
>>
>> So you changed the OS while keeped all your IPs, hardwares unchanged.
>>
>> in case of VM, for example, we want to reinstall a centos 5.6 vm to a centos
>> 6.2 template(not iso), seems there is no way to do it but destory-recreate.
>
> This is actually how cloud works. You can recreate a new VM from the same service
> offering, so you hardware not changed apart from IP address. But I didn't see it will
> affect your business in terms of ip address change. If it did, you will re-consider your deploy
> plan as your services should be behind a load balancer or DNAT where your internal ip
> addresses not exposed to clients.
> If your services rely on static network, for example, distributed software using TCP to
> do discovery must know ip address of all nodes, you have to change the configuration
> manually (However, a sophisticated design should have a configuration repo centrally,
> that would ease the task of upgrading each node).
> By nature of cloud, static network is not a main concern currently, the ip address allocation
> should be handled by machine, not human.
>
>
>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 10:53 PM, Anthony Xu <Xu...@citrix.com> wrote:
>> > Can you elaborate what's re-install?
>> >
>> > Re-install from the same ISO or different ISO?
>> > What's the difference from installing a new VM from ISO?
>> >
>> > In CloudStack , VM is not OS agnostic for some hypervisors. CloudStack
>> needs to track the VM OS type.
>> > If CloudStack allows installing from ISO for an existing VM, it may lose the
>> OS type VM information.
>> >
>> >
>> > Anthony
>> >
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: Lu Heng [mailto:h.lu@anytimechinese.com]
>> >> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 12:09 PM
>> >> To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org
>> >> Subject: Re: Re-install VM
>> >>
>> >> Hi
>> >>
>> >> Thanks for replying
>> >>
>> >> And why there is no simple re-install options?
>> >>
>> >> Sounds to me re-install options like tranditional VPS have will make
>> >> life lot ealier than the way you have descriped
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 8:45 PM, Anthony Xu <Xu...@citrix.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > There is no re-install option.
>> >> > You can create a snapshot after you install a VM from ISO, then you
>> >> can create a template from this snapshot, then you can create a VM
>> >> from the template, the VM should like a freshly reinstalled VM.
>> >> >
>> >> > Anthony
>> >> >
>> >> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> >> From: Lu Heng [mailto:h.lu@anytimechinese.com]
>> >> >> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 9:25 AM
>> >> >> To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org
>> >> >> Subject: Re-install VM
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Hi
>> >> >>
>> >> >> We are using CS 3.0.1 and XENSERVER, seems to me there is no where
>> >> >> I can find a re-install option for the VM, does that means if we
>> >> >> want
>> >> to
>> >> >> re-install the system, we either need to do it manually by console
>> >> >> with ISO or we have to destroy it and create a new one?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> Kind regards.
>> >> >> Lu
>> >> >>
>> >> >> This transmission is intended solely for the addressee(s) shown
>> >> above.
>> >> >> It may contain information that is privileged, confidential or
>> >> >> otherwise protected from disclosure. Any review, dissemination or
>> >> use
>> >> >> of this transmission or its contents by persons other than the
>> >> >> intended addressee(s) is strictly prohibited. If you have received
>> >> >> this transmission in error, please notify this office immediately
>> >> and
>> >> >> e-mail the original at the sender's address above by replying to
>> >> this
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>> >>
>> >>
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>> >> --
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>> >> Lu
>> >>
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RE: Re-install VM
Posted by Frank Zhang <Fr...@citrix.com>.
>
> Hi
>
> As traditional understanding of re-install means you re-install OS just like you
> do with a physical server.
>
> So you changed the OS while keeped all your IPs, hardwares unchanged.
>
> in case of VM, for example, we want to reinstall a centos 5.6 vm to a centos
> 6.2 template(not iso), seems there is no way to do it but destory-recreate.
This is actually how cloud works. You can recreate a new VM from the same service
offering, so you hardware not changed apart from IP address. But I didn't see it will
affect your business in terms of ip address change. If it did, you will re-consider your deploy
plan as your services should be behind a load balancer or DNAT where your internal ip
addresses not exposed to clients.
If your services rely on static network, for example, distributed software using TCP to
do discovery must know ip address of all nodes, you have to change the configuration
manually (However, a sophisticated design should have a configuration repo centrally,
that would ease the task of upgrading each node).
By nature of cloud, static network is not a main concern currently, the ip address allocation
should be handled by machine, not human.
>
> On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 10:53 PM, Anthony Xu <Xu...@citrix.com> wrote:
> > Can you elaborate what's re-install?
> >
> > Re-install from the same ISO or different ISO?
> > What's the difference from installing a new VM from ISO?
> >
> > In CloudStack , VM is not OS agnostic for some hypervisors. CloudStack
> needs to track the VM OS type.
> > If CloudStack allows installing from ISO for an existing VM, it may lose the
> OS type VM information.
> >
> >
> > Anthony
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Lu Heng [mailto:h.lu@anytimechinese.com]
> >> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 12:09 PM
> >> To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org
> >> Subject: Re: Re-install VM
> >>
> >> Hi
> >>
> >> Thanks for replying
> >>
> >> And why there is no simple re-install options?
> >>
> >> Sounds to me re-install options like tranditional VPS have will make
> >> life lot ealier than the way you have descriped
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 8:45 PM, Anthony Xu <Xu...@citrix.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> > There is no re-install option.
> >> > You can create a snapshot after you install a VM from ISO, then you
> >> can create a template from this snapshot, then you can create a VM
> >> from the template, the VM should like a freshly reinstalled VM.
> >> >
> >> > Anthony
> >> >
> >> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> From: Lu Heng [mailto:h.lu@anytimechinese.com]
> >> >> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 9:25 AM
> >> >> To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org
> >> >> Subject: Re-install VM
> >> >>
> >> >> Hi
> >> >>
> >> >> We are using CS 3.0.1 and XENSERVER, seems to me there is no where
> >> >> I can find a re-install option for the VM, does that means if we
> >> >> want
> >> to
> >> >> re-install the system, we either need to do it manually by console
> >> >> with ISO or we have to destroy it and create a new one?
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> --
> >> >> Kind regards.
> >> >> Lu
> >> >>
> >> >> This transmission is intended solely for the addressee(s) shown
> >> above.
> >> >> It may contain information that is privileged, confidential or
> >> >> otherwise protected from disclosure. Any review, dissemination or
> >> use
> >> >> of this transmission or its contents by persons other than the
> >> >> intended addressee(s) is strictly prohibited. If you have received
> >> >> this transmission in error, please notify this office immediately
> >> and
> >> >> e-mail the original at the sender's address above by replying to
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> >>
> >>
> >> --
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> >> Kind regards.
> >> Lu
> >>
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> >> It may contain information that is privileged, confidential or
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>
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>
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Re: Re-install VM
Posted by Lu Heng <h....@anytimechinese.com>.
Hi
As traditional understanding of re-install means you re-install OS
just like you do with a physical server.
So you changed the OS while keeped all your IPs, hardwares unchanged.
in case of VM, for example, we want to reinstall a centos 5.6 vm to a
centos 6.2 template(not iso), seems there is no way to do it but
destory-recreate.
On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 10:53 PM, Anthony Xu <Xu...@citrix.com> wrote:
> Can you elaborate what's re-install?
>
> Re-install from the same ISO or different ISO?
> What's the difference from installing a new VM from ISO?
>
> In CloudStack , VM is not OS agnostic for some hypervisors. CloudStack needs to track the VM OS type.
> If CloudStack allows installing from ISO for an existing VM, it may lose the OS type VM information.
>
>
> Anthony
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Lu Heng [mailto:h.lu@anytimechinese.com]
>> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 12:09 PM
>> To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: Re-install VM
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> Thanks for replying
>>
>> And why there is no simple re-install options?
>>
>> Sounds to me re-install options like tranditional VPS have will make
>> life lot ealier than the way you have descriped
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 8:45 PM, Anthony Xu <Xu...@citrix.com>
>> wrote:
>> > There is no re-install option.
>> > You can create a snapshot after you install a VM from ISO, then you
>> can create a template from this snapshot, then you can create a VM from
>> the template, the VM should like a freshly reinstalled VM.
>> >
>> > Anthony
>> >
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: Lu Heng [mailto:h.lu@anytimechinese.com]
>> >> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 9:25 AM
>> >> To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org
>> >> Subject: Re-install VM
>> >>
>> >> Hi
>> >>
>> >> We are using CS 3.0.1 and XENSERVER, seems to me there is no where I
>> >> can find a re-install option for the VM, does that means if we want
>> to
>> >> re-install the system, we either need to do it manually by console
>> >> with ISO or we have to destroy it and create a new one?
>> >>
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>> >> Lu
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RE: Re-install VM
Posted by Anthony Xu <Xu...@citrix.com>.
Can you elaborate what's re-install?
Re-install from the same ISO or different ISO?
What's the difference from installing a new VM from ISO?
In CloudStack , VM is not OS agnostic for some hypervisors. CloudStack needs to track the VM OS type.
If CloudStack allows installing from ISO for an existing VM, it may lose the OS type VM information.
Anthony
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lu Heng [mailto:h.lu@anytimechinese.com]
> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 12:09 PM
> To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Re-install VM
>
> Hi
>
> Thanks for replying
>
> And why there is no simple re-install options?
>
> Sounds to me re-install options like tranditional VPS have will make
> life lot ealier than the way you have descriped
>
> On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 8:45 PM, Anthony Xu <Xu...@citrix.com>
> wrote:
> > There is no re-install option.
> > You can create a snapshot after you install a VM from ISO, then you
> can create a template from this snapshot, then you can create a VM from
> the template, the VM should like a freshly reinstalled VM.
> >
> > Anthony
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Lu Heng [mailto:h.lu@anytimechinese.com]
> >> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 9:25 AM
> >> To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org
> >> Subject: Re-install VM
> >>
> >> Hi
> >>
> >> We are using CS 3.0.1 and XENSERVER, seems to me there is no where I
> >> can find a re-install option for the VM, does that means if we want
> to
> >> re-install the system, we either need to do it manually by console
> >> with ISO or we have to destroy it and create a new one?
> >>
> >> --
> >> --
> >> Kind regards.
> >> Lu
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Re: Re-install VM
Posted by Lu Heng <h....@anytimechinese.com>.
Hi
Thanks for replying
And why there is no simple re-install options?
Sounds to me re-install options like tranditional VPS have will make
life lot ealier than the way you have descriped
On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 8:45 PM, Anthony Xu <Xu...@citrix.com> wrote:
> There is no re-install option.
> You can create a snapshot after you install a VM from ISO, then you can create a template from this snapshot, then you can create a VM from the template, the VM should like a freshly reinstalled VM.
>
> Anthony
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Lu Heng [mailto:h.lu@anytimechinese.com]
>> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 9:25 AM
>> To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org
>> Subject: Re-install VM
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> We are using CS 3.0.1 and XENSERVER, seems to me there is no where I
>> can find a re-install option for the VM, does that means if we want to
>> re-install the system, we either need to do it manually by console
>> with ISO or we have to destroy it and create a new one?
>>
>> --
>> --
>> Kind regards.
>> Lu
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RE: Re-install VM
Posted by Anthony Xu <Xu...@citrix.com>.
There is no re-install option.
You can create a snapshot after you install a VM from ISO, then you can create a template from this snapshot, then you can create a VM from the template, the VM should like a freshly reinstalled VM.
Anthony
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lu Heng [mailto:h.lu@anytimechinese.com]
> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 9:25 AM
> To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re-install VM
>
> Hi
>
> We are using CS 3.0.1 and XENSERVER, seems to me there is no where I
> can find a re-install option for the VM, does that means if we want to
> re-install the system, we either need to do it manually by console
> with ISO or we have to destroy it and create a new one?
>
> --
> --
> Kind regards.
> Lu
>
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