[Discussion] OSGi Release 5 specification and Karaf versions

["Jamie G." <ja...@gmail.com>]

Hi All,

As there is already some discussion surrounding the next major OSGi
core specification, in anticipation I think we should consider adding
to our project Jira a place holder for Karaf version 4.0.0.

Version 4.0.0 of Karaf would be for Karaf centring around OSGi R5.
Karaf 3.x currently is centred on OSGi 4.3, while Karaf 2.x continues
to focus on OSGi R4.2. I believe having this roadmap would help make
the forward progress of Karaf a little clearer to our users.

The above being said, our community focus is still on Karaf 3.0.0. I
think just having a version place holder in Jira now will allow us to
enter issues related to OSGi R5 when required.

Any thoughts?

[1] http://www.osgi.org/blog/

Cheers,
Jamie

Re: [Discussion] OSGi Release 5 specification and Karaf versions

["Jamie G." <ja...@gmail.com>]

+1, the future is difficult to see clearly ;)

I'd be happy with a 'future' version tag.

Cheers,
Jamie

On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 12:37 PM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net> wrote:
> Yeah, as we don't have an "exact" version target for OSGi R5 update (it
> could be in Karaf 4.0.0, but maybe in 3.5.0, or maybe in 5.0.0 ;)), Future
> is a container for a long term roadmap.
>
> Regards
> JB
>
>
> On 03/15/2012 04:05 PM, Jamie G. wrote:
>>
>> Interesting idea - so future wouldn't be tied to any specific Karaf
>> version. Just a place holder for "it would be nice to XYZ when the
>> tech is available"? That would be useful.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Jamie
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 12:32 PM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré<jb...@nanthrax.net>
>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> +1
>>>
>>> More than 4.0.0, I would create a version "Future" in Jira.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> JB
>>>
>>>
>>> On 03/15/2012 04:01 PM, Jamie G. wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi All,
>>>>
>>>> As there is already some discussion surrounding the next major OSGi
>>>> core specification, in anticipation I think we should consider adding
>>>> to our project Jira a place holder for Karaf version 4.0.0.
>>>>
>>>> Version 4.0.0 of Karaf would be for Karaf centring around OSGi R5.
>>>> Karaf 3.x currently is centred on OSGi 4.3, while Karaf 2.x continues
>>>> to focus on OSGi R4.2. I believe having this roadmap would help make
>>>> the forward progress of Karaf a little clearer to our users.
>>>>
>>>> The above being said, our community focus is still on Karaf 3.0.0. I
>>>> think just having a version place holder in Jira now will allow us to
>>>> enter issues related to OSGi R5 when required.
>>>>
>>>> Any thoughts?
>>>>
>>>> [1] http://www.osgi.org/blog/
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Jamie
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
>>> jbonofre@apache.org
>>> http://blog.nanthrax.net
>>> Talend - http://www.talend.com
>
>
> --
> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
> jbonofre@apache.org
> http://blog.nanthrax.net
> Talend - http://www.talend.com

Re: [Discussion] OSGi Release 5 specification and Karaf versions

[Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>]

Yeah, as we don't have an "exact" version target for OSGi R5 update (it 
could be in Karaf 4.0.0, but maybe in 3.5.0, or maybe in 5.0.0 ;)), 
Future is a container for a long term roadmap.

Regards
JB

On 03/15/2012 04:05 PM, Jamie G. wrote:
> Interesting idea - so future wouldn't be tied to any specific Karaf
> version. Just a place holder for "it would be nice to XYZ when the
> tech is available"? That would be useful.
>
> Cheers,
> Jamie
>
> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 12:32 PM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré<jb...@nanthrax.net>  wrote:
>> +1
>>
>> More than 4.0.0, I would create a version "Future" in Jira.
>>
>> Regards
>> JB
>>
>>
>> On 03/15/2012 04:01 PM, Jamie G. wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> As there is already some discussion surrounding the next major OSGi
>>> core specification, in anticipation I think we should consider adding
>>> to our project Jira a place holder for Karaf version 4.0.0.
>>>
>>> Version 4.0.0 of Karaf would be for Karaf centring around OSGi R5.
>>> Karaf 3.x currently is centred on OSGi 4.3, while Karaf 2.x continues
>>> to focus on OSGi R4.2. I believe having this roadmap would help make
>>> the forward progress of Karaf a little clearer to our users.
>>>
>>> The above being said, our community focus is still on Karaf 3.0.0. I
>>> think just having a version place holder in Jira now will allow us to
>>> enter issues related to OSGi R5 when required.
>>>
>>> Any thoughts?
>>>
>>> [1] http://www.osgi.org/blog/
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Jamie
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
>> jbonofre@apache.org
>> http://blog.nanthrax.net
>> Talend - http://www.talend.com

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Re: [Discussion] OSGi Release 5 specification and Karaf versions

[Achim Nierbeck <bc...@googlemail.com>]

+1 on both,
basically I think it's a good idea to collect stuff for an upcoming
4.0 Karaf that will be available as a R5 Container
and also a Future that can not really be placed right now to a 3.0/4.0
or what so ever. Just that we don't loos track of them.
Every now and then we should take a look at those though to make sure
we don't miss anything for a 3.5 and so forth :)

regards, Achim

2012/3/15 Jamie G. <ja...@gmail.com>:
> Interesting idea - so future wouldn't be tied to any specific Karaf
> version. Just a place holder for "it would be nice to XYZ when the
> tech is available"? That would be useful.
>
> Cheers,
> Jamie
>
> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 12:32 PM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net> wrote:
>> +1
>>
>> More than 4.0.0, I would create a version "Future" in Jira.
>>
>> Regards
>> JB
>>
>>
>> On 03/15/2012 04:01 PM, Jamie G. wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> As there is already some discussion surrounding the next major OSGi
>>> core specification, in anticipation I think we should consider adding
>>> to our project Jira a place holder for Karaf version 4.0.0.
>>>
>>> Version 4.0.0 of Karaf would be for Karaf centring around OSGi R5.
>>> Karaf 3.x currently is centred on OSGi 4.3, while Karaf 2.x continues
>>> to focus on OSGi R4.2. I believe having this roadmap would help make
>>> the forward progress of Karaf a little clearer to our users.
>>>
>>> The above being said, our community focus is still on Karaf 3.0.0. I
>>> think just having a version place holder in Jira now will allow us to
>>> enter issues related to OSGi R5 when required.
>>>
>>> Any thoughts?
>>>
>>> [1] http://www.osgi.org/blog/
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Jamie
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
>> jbonofre@apache.org
>> http://blog.nanthrax.net
>> Talend - http://www.talend.com



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Re: [Discussion] OSGi Release 5 specification and Karaf versions

[Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>]

I expect it will take a time to existing frameworks to start supporting OSGi R5 features. Previously switch was easier because it was a minor upgrade (4.2->4.3).
I would not worry about that so quickly.

Best regards,
Lukasz

Wiadomość napisana przez Jamie G. w dniu 15 mar 2012, o godz. 16:05:

> Interesting idea - so future wouldn't be tied to any specific Karaf
> version. Just a place holder for "it would be nice to XYZ when the
> tech is available"? That would be useful.
> 
> Cheers,
> Jamie
> 
> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 12:32 PM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net> wrote:
>> +1
>> 
>> More than 4.0.0, I would create a version "Future" in Jira.
>> 
>> Regards
>> JB
>> 
>> 
>> On 03/15/2012 04:01 PM, Jamie G. wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> 
>>> As there is already some discussion surrounding the next major OSGi
>>> core specification, in anticipation I think we should consider adding
>>> to our project Jira a place holder for Karaf version 4.0.0.
>>> 
>>> Version 4.0.0 of Karaf would be for Karaf centring around OSGi R5.
>>> Karaf 3.x currently is centred on OSGi 4.3, while Karaf 2.x continues
>>> to focus on OSGi R4.2. I believe having this roadmap would help make
>>> the forward progress of Karaf a little clearer to our users.
>>> 
>>> The above being said, our community focus is still on Karaf 3.0.0. I
>>> think just having a version place holder in Jira now will allow us to
>>> enter issues related to OSGi R5 when required.
>>> 
>>> Any thoughts?
>>> 
>>> [1] http://www.osgi.org/blog/
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Jamie
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
>> jbonofre@apache.org
>> http://blog.nanthrax.net
>> Talend - http://www.talend.com

Re: [Discussion] OSGi Release 5 specification and Karaf versions

["Jamie G." <ja...@gmail.com>]

Interesting idea - so future wouldn't be tied to any specific Karaf
version. Just a place holder for "it would be nice to XYZ when the
tech is available"? That would be useful.

Cheers,
Jamie

On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 12:32 PM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net> wrote:
> +1
>
> More than 4.0.0, I would create a version "Future" in Jira.
>
> Regards
> JB
>
>
> On 03/15/2012 04:01 PM, Jamie G. wrote:
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> As there is already some discussion surrounding the next major OSGi
>> core specification, in anticipation I think we should consider adding
>> to our project Jira a place holder for Karaf version 4.0.0.
>>
>> Version 4.0.0 of Karaf would be for Karaf centring around OSGi R5.
>> Karaf 3.x currently is centred on OSGi 4.3, while Karaf 2.x continues
>> to focus on OSGi R4.2. I believe having this roadmap would help make
>> the forward progress of Karaf a little clearer to our users.
>>
>> The above being said, our community focus is still on Karaf 3.0.0. I
>> think just having a version place holder in Jira now will allow us to
>> enter issues related to OSGi R5 when required.
>>
>> Any thoughts?
>>
>> [1] http://www.osgi.org/blog/
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Jamie
>
>
> --
> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
> jbonofre@apache.org
> http://blog.nanthrax.net
> Talend - http://www.talend.com

Re: [Discussion] OSGi Release 5 specification and Karaf versions

[Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>]

+1

More than 4.0.0, I would create a version "Future" in Jira.

Regards
JB

On 03/15/2012 04:01 PM, Jamie G. wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> As there is already some discussion surrounding the next major OSGi
> core specification, in anticipation I think we should consider adding
> to our project Jira a place holder for Karaf version 4.0.0.
>
> Version 4.0.0 of Karaf would be for Karaf centring around OSGi R5.
> Karaf 3.x currently is centred on OSGi 4.3, while Karaf 2.x continues
> to focus on OSGi R4.2. I believe having this roadmap would help make
> the forward progress of Karaf a little clearer to our users.
>
> The above being said, our community focus is still on Karaf 3.0.0. I
> think just having a version place holder in Jira now will allow us to
> enter issues related to OSGi R5 when required.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> [1] http://www.osgi.org/blog/
>
> Cheers,
> Jamie

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jbonofre@apache.org
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Re: [Discussion] OSGi Release 5 specification and Karaf versions

[Freeman Fang <fr...@gmail.com>]

+1

Freeman
On 2012-3-15, at 下午11:48, Guillaume Nodet wrote:

> Karaf is not really tied to the osgi version used underneath,  
> especially as
> they are backward compatible and I don't think upgrading the  
> underlying
> OSGi container warrant a new major release which is very painful for
> downstream projects.  I think a Karaf 3.1 would be sufficient for  
> including
> the new osgi version.
>
> Ftr, I'm still thinking about create a 2.3 branch in the near future  
> to
> backport some new features that came into 3.x, including the upgrade  
> to
> osgi 4.3 to the 2.x branch, but leaving all disruptive features  
> around the
> maven plugin, subshells, command renaming, etc...
>
> Just my 2 cents.
>
> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 16:01, Jamie G. <ja...@gmail.com>  
> wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> As there is already some discussion surrounding the next major OSGi
>> core specification, in anticipation I think we should consider adding
>> to our project Jira a place holder for Karaf version 4.0.0.
>>
>> Version 4.0.0 of Karaf would be for Karaf centring around OSGi R5.
>> Karaf 3.x currently is centred on OSGi 4.3, while Karaf 2.x continues
>> to focus on OSGi R4.2. I believe having this roadmap would help make
>> the forward progress of Karaf a little clearer to our users.
>>
>> The above being said, our community focus is still on Karaf 3.0.0. I
>> think just having a version place holder in Jira now will allow us to
>> enter issues related to OSGi R5 when required.
>>
>> Any thoughts?
>>
>> [1] http://www.osgi.org/blog/
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Jamie
>>
>
>
>
> -- 
> ------------------------
> Guillaume Nodet
> ------------------------
> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
> ------------------------
> FuseSource, Integration everywhere
> http://fusesource.com

---------------------------------------------
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Re: [Discussion] OSGi Release 5 specification and Karaf versions

[Christian Schneider <ch...@die-schneider.net>]

+1

Christian

Am 15.03.2012 16:51, schrieb Guillaume Nodet:
> And I think the time between 2.2 and 3.0 is way too long and I'd like to
> have more smaller releases than targeting major releases, especially if
> they are compatible.
>
> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 16:48, Guillaume Nodet<gn...@gmail.com>  wrote:
>
>> Karaf is not really tied to the osgi version used underneath, especially
>> as they are backward compatible and I don't think upgrading the underlying
>> OSGi container warrant a new major release which is very painful for
>> downstream projects.  I think a Karaf 3.1 would be sufficient for including
>> the new osgi version.
>>
>> Ftr, I'm still thinking about create a 2.3 branch in the near future to
>> backport some new features that came into 3.x, including the upgrade to
>> osgi 4.3 to the 2.x branch, but leaving all disruptive features around the
>> maven plugin, subshells, command renaming, etc...
>>
>> Just my 2 cents.
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 16:01, Jamie G.<ja...@gmail.com>  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> As there is already some discussion surrounding the next major OSGi
>>> core specification, in anticipation I think we should consider adding
>>> to our project Jira a place holder for Karaf version 4.0.0.
>>>
>>> Version 4.0.0 of Karaf would be for Karaf centring around OSGi R5.
>>> Karaf 3.x currently is centred on OSGi 4.3, while Karaf 2.x continues
>>> to focus on OSGi R4.2. I believe having this roadmap would help make
>>> the forward progress of Karaf a little clearer to our users.
>>>
>>> The above being said, our community focus is still on Karaf 3.0.0. I
>>> think just having a version place holder in Jira now will allow us to
>>> enter issues related to OSGi R5 when required.
>>>
>>> Any thoughts?
>>>
>>> [1] http://www.osgi.org/blog/
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Jamie
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> ------------------------
>> Guillaume Nodet
>> ------------------------
>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>> ------------------------
>> FuseSource, Integration everywhere
>> http://fusesource.com
>>
>
>


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Re: [Discussion] OSGi Release 5 specification and Karaf versions

[Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>]

And I think the time between 2.2 and 3.0 is way too long and I'd like to
have more smaller releases than targeting major releases, especially if
they are compatible.

On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 16:48, Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Karaf is not really tied to the osgi version used underneath, especially
> as they are backward compatible and I don't think upgrading the underlying
> OSGi container warrant a new major release which is very painful for
> downstream projects.  I think a Karaf 3.1 would be sufficient for including
> the new osgi version.
>
> Ftr, I'm still thinking about create a 2.3 branch in the near future to
> backport some new features that came into 3.x, including the upgrade to
> osgi 4.3 to the 2.x branch, but leaving all disruptive features around the
> maven plugin, subshells, command renaming, etc...
>
> Just my 2 cents.
>
> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 16:01, Jamie G. <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> As there is already some discussion surrounding the next major OSGi
>> core specification, in anticipation I think we should consider adding
>> to our project Jira a place holder for Karaf version 4.0.0.
>>
>> Version 4.0.0 of Karaf would be for Karaf centring around OSGi R5.
>> Karaf 3.x currently is centred on OSGi 4.3, while Karaf 2.x continues
>> to focus on OSGi R4.2. I believe having this roadmap would help make
>> the forward progress of Karaf a little clearer to our users.
>>
>> The above being said, our community focus is still on Karaf 3.0.0. I
>> think just having a version place holder in Jira now will allow us to
>> enter issues related to OSGi R5 when required.
>>
>> Any thoughts?
>>
>> [1] http://www.osgi.org/blog/
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Jamie
>>
>
>
>
> --
> ------------------------
> Guillaume Nodet
> ------------------------
> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
> ------------------------
> FuseSource, Integration everywhere
> http://fusesource.com
>



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------------------------
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------------------------
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------------------------
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Re: [Discussion] OSGi Release 5 specification and Karaf versions

[Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>]

Karaf is not really tied to the osgi version used underneath, especially as
they are backward compatible and I don't think upgrading the underlying
OSGi container warrant a new major release which is very painful for
downstream projects.  I think a Karaf 3.1 would be sufficient for including
the new osgi version.

Ftr, I'm still thinking about create a 2.3 branch in the near future to
backport some new features that came into 3.x, including the upgrade to
osgi 4.3 to the 2.x branch, but leaving all disruptive features around the
maven plugin, subshells, command renaming, etc...

Just my 2 cents.

On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 16:01, Jamie G. <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> As there is already some discussion surrounding the next major OSGi
> core specification, in anticipation I think we should consider adding
> to our project Jira a place holder for Karaf version 4.0.0.
>
> Version 4.0.0 of Karaf would be for Karaf centring around OSGi R5.
> Karaf 3.x currently is centred on OSGi 4.3, while Karaf 2.x continues
> to focus on OSGi R4.2. I believe having this roadmap would help make
> the forward progress of Karaf a little clearer to our users.
>
> The above being said, our community focus is still on Karaf 3.0.0. I
> think just having a version place holder in Jira now will allow us to
> enter issues related to OSGi R5 when required.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> [1] http://www.osgi.org/blog/
>
> Cheers,
> Jamie
>



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------------------------
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------------------------
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------------------------
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