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Posted to general@incubator.apache.org by Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com> on 2019/11/14 23:55:44 UTC
Incubator release area clean up
Hi,
If there is no objection, in a few days, I'm going to remove the following directories for the incubator release area, as the project have either graduated or retired:
If a product want to remove this themselves, before I get to it, please go ahead.
https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/airflow/
https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/apex/
https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/ariatosca/
https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/asterixdb/
https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/blur/
https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/edgent/
https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/gossip/
https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/griffin/
https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/htrace/
https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/johnzon/
https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/joshua/
https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/kudu/
https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/mrql/
https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/netbeans/
https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/odftoolkit/
https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/openwhisk/
https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/plc4x/
https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/predictionio/
https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/quickstep/
https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/rya/
https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/sirona/
https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/skywalking/
https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/slider/
https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/trafficcontrol/
https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/unomi/
https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/wave/
https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/zipkin/
https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/incubator/dubbo/
https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/incubator/edgent/
https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/incubator/joshua/
https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/incubator/netbeans/
https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/incubator/openwhisk/
https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/incubator/plc4x/
https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/incubator/rya/
https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/incubator/skywalking/
https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/incubator/unomi/
https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/incubator/zipkin/
Thanks,
Justin
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Re: Incubator release area clean up
Posted by Justin Mclean <ju...@me.com.INVALID>.
Hi,
> /dist/release/incubator/projectxxx May be needed in the short term when a
> project just graduated and no available or stable release after being TLP
> in the short term.
Which is not teh case for any of the projects here :-)
Thanks,
Justin
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Re: Incubator release area clean up
Posted by Sheng Wu <wu...@gmail.com>.
Hi
/dist/release/incubator/projectxxx May be needed in the short term when a
project just graduated and no available or stable release after being TLP
in the short term.
I suggest we set up a timeline for keeping them in /dist/release/incubator,
and require the PMC team to finish their TLP release, which could make
INFRA easier to clear the /dist/release/incubator of TLPs
For /dist/dev should be safe to clear.
Sheng Wu 吴晟
Apache SkyWalking
Apache Incubator
Apache ShardingSphere, ECharts, DolphinScheduler podlings
Zipkin
Twitter, wusheng1108
Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com> 于2019年11月15日周五 下午2:18写道：
> Hi,
>
> > Ha! The Infra team was just talking about that today, with the retirement
> > of Edgent and (cleanup of) Zipkin. Over the years, we've had mixed
> signals
> > about what to do with "Incubator releases" after a podling leaves the
> > Incubator. Some have said "keep them; they are IPMC releases", or "they
> > should follow the graduated podling to their TLP directories", or "just
> > remove them”.
>
> Correct me if I’m wrong but any releases (in /dist/release) will be
> archived and any releases in /dist/dev/ no longer need to be there as they
> are RCs and the like.
>
> Thanks,
> Justin
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Re: Incubator release area clean up
Posted by Justin Mclean <ju...@me.com.INVALID>.
Hi,
Was just a suggestion, but given it not much work to clean this up occasionally it’s probably not needed.
Thanks,
Justin
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Re: Incubator release area clean up
Posted by Dave Fisher <wa...@comcast.net>.
Hi -
Sent from my iPhone
> On Nov 16, 2019, at 6:44 PM, Greg Stein <gs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Sat, Nov 16, 2019 at 5:16 PM Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>
> wrote:
>> ...
>
>> There is a possible alternative and that is to not have a incubating area
>> and have all projects just use /dist/dev/<projectname> and
>> /dist/release/<projectname>. That way no clean up would be needed. The
>> releases still have incubator disclaimers and are likely downloaded from
>> places where it obvious they are incubating projects. But I assume their
>> may be some permission issues with this approach?
>>
>
> This *can* be done, without problem. IPMC would just be responsible for
> multiple dev/release areas. Not an issue. We auto-generate ACLs for the
> areas, so it may take a little work to figure this out, but it's a Simple
> Matter of Programming :-)
We would need to modify the clutch process, but a happy consequence could be a version to look at the whole of the release directories for the whole foundation.
>
> With that said, and with my Infra hat on, I'd like to see a thought from
> the Legal peeps on whether the incubator/ directory structure layout is a
> requirement (to supplement the disclaimers). I know there are distinct
> opinions about what/how we host releases on our servers.
Agreed.
Regards,
Dave
>
> Cheers,
> Greg
> InfraAdmin, ASF
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Re: Incubator release area clean up
Posted by Greg Stein <gs...@gmail.com>.
On Sat, Nov 16, 2019 at 5:16 PM Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>
wrote:
>...
> There is a possible alternative and that is to not have a incubating area
> and have all projects just use /dist/dev/<projectname> and
> /dist/release/<projectname>. That way no clean up would be needed. The
> releases still have incubator disclaimers and are likely downloaded from
> places where it obvious they are incubating projects. But I assume their
> may be some permission issues with this approach?
>
This *can* be done, without problem. IPMC would just be responsible for
multiple dev/release areas. Not an issue. We auto-generate ACLs for the
areas, so it may take a little work to figure this out, but it's a Simple
Matter of Programming :-)
With that said, and with my Infra hat on, I'd like to see a thought from
the Legal peeps on whether the incubator/ directory structure layout is a
requirement (to supplement the disclaimers). I know there are distinct
opinions about what/how we host releases on our servers.
Cheers,
Greg
InfraAdmin, ASF
Re: Incubator release area clean up
Posted by Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>.
Hi,
> Discoverability/browsing/trimming/clean (DBTC) is the net effect, of your
> proposed change. No data loss.
They are not incubating projects anymore it’s fair to assume that they don’t need the /dist/dev area.
If a project has retired then I think it safe to assume they don’t need the release areas either.
If a project has become a TLP we probably need to wait until they have made their next release before removing incubating releases. Hopefully the project itself does this and cleans up after itself but as we can see not all do.
There is a possible alternative and that is to not have a incubating area and have all projects just use /dist/dev/<projectname> and /dist/release/<projectname>. That way no clean up would be needed. The releases still have incubator disclaimers and are likely downloaded from places where it obvious they are incubating projects. But I assume their may be some permission issues with this approach?
Thanks,
Justin
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Re: Incubator release area clean up
Posted by Greg Stein <gs...@gmail.com>.
On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 12:18 AM Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> > Ha! The Infra team was just talking about that today, with the retirement
> > of Edgent and (cleanup of) Zipkin. Over the years, we've had mixed
> signals
> > about what to do with "Incubator releases" after a podling leaves the
> > Incubator. Some have said "keep them; they are IPMC releases", or "they
> > should follow the graduated podling to their TLP directories", or "just
> > remove them”.
>
> Correct me if I’m wrong but any releases (in /dist/release) will be
> archived and any releases in /dist/dev/ no longer need to be there as they
> are RCs and the like.
>
Not wrong at all! .. everything on dist.a.o will be copied over to
archive.a.o. Further, dist.a.o is mapped out of Subversion. So all of those
releases are in there, forever. You can 'svn rm' all the dirs you listed,
and they'll disappear off of dist.a.o. But not from archive.a.o or svn
history.
Discoverability/browsing/trimming/clean (DBTC) is the net effect, of your
proposed change. No data loss.
My request is simply that the DBTC has been found desirable by the
Incubator over the past 15 years, in various forms/amounts, so it would be
nice to see you plant a stake in the ground. Infra can then easily follow
that, without having to wonder/ask.
Cheers,
-g
Re: Incubator release area clean up
Posted by Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>.
Hi,
> Ha! The Infra team was just talking about that today, with the retirement
> of Edgent and (cleanup of) Zipkin. Over the years, we've had mixed signals
> about what to do with "Incubator releases" after a podling leaves the
> Incubator. Some have said "keep them; they are IPMC releases", or "they
> should follow the graduated podling to their TLP directories", or "just
> remove them”.
Correct me if I’m wrong but any releases (in /dist/release) will be archived and any releases in /dist/dev/ no longer need to be there as they are RCs and the like.
Thanks,
Justin
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Re: Incubator release area clean up
Posted by Greg Stein <gs...@gmail.com>.
Ha! The Infra team was just talking about that today, with the retirement
of Edgent and (cleanup of) Zipkin. Over the years, we've had mixed signals
about what to do with "Incubator releases" after a podling leaves the
Incubator. Some have said "keep them; they are IPMC releases", or "they
should follow the graduated podling to their TLP directories", or "just
remove them".
Could I suggest a paragraph or two, somewhere, to solidify the IPMC's
position?
Thanks,
Greg
InfraAdmin, ASF
On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 5:56 PM Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> If there is no objection, in a few days, I'm going to remove the following
> directories for the incubator release area, as the project have either
> graduated or retired:
>
> If a product want to remove this themselves, before I get to it, please go
> ahead.
>
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/airflow/
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/apex/
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/ariatosca/
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/asterixdb/
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/blur/
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/edgent/
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/gossip/
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/griffin/
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/htrace/
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/johnzon/
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/joshua/
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/kudu/
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/mrql/
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/netbeans/
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/odftoolkit/
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/openwhisk/
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/plc4x/
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/predictionio/
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/quickstep/
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/rya/
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/sirona/
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/skywalking/
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/slider/
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/trafficcontrol/
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/unomi/
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/wave/
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/zipkin/
>
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/incubator/dubbo/
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/incubator/edgent/
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/incubator/joshua/
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/incubator/netbeans/
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/incubator/openwhisk/
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/incubator/plc4x/
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/incubator/rya/
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/incubator/skywalking/
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/incubator/unomi/
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/incubator/zipkin/
>
> Thanks,
> Justin
>
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Re: Incubator release area clean up
Posted by Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org>.
Hi Justin,
I checked Dubbo and they still refer to all their past releases on dist and not archives on:
http://dubbo.apache.org/en-us/blog/download.html
I think that it is fair that the incubator let current TLPs know that these old releases are going away.
See http://incubator.apache.org/clutch/#other for a list that includes such graduated projects.
> On Nov 14, 2019, at 3:55 PM, Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com> wrote:
>
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/incubator/dubbo/ <https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/incubator/dubbo/>
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/incubator/edgent/ <https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/incubator/edgent/>
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/incubator/joshua/ <https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/incubator/joshua/>
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/incubator/netbeans/ <https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/incubator/netbeans/>
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/incubator/openwhisk/ <https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/incubator/openwhisk/>
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/incubator/plc4x/ <https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/incubator/plc4x/>
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/incubator/rya/ <https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/incubator/rya/>
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/incubator/skywalking/ <https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/incubator/skywalking/>
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/incubator/unomi/ <https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/incubator/unomi/>
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/incubator/zipkin/ <https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/incubator/zipkin/>
Regards,
Dave
Re: Incubator release area clean up
Posted by 俊平堵 <ju...@apache.org>.
+1. Please go ahead.
Thanks,
Junping
Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com> 于2019年11月15日周五 上午7:56写道：
> Hi,
>
> If there is no objection, in a few days, I'm going to remove the following
> directories for the incubator release area, as the project have either
> graduated or retired:
>
> If a product want to remove this themselves, before I get to it, please go
> ahead.
>
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/airflow/
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/apex/
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/ariatosca/
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/asterixdb/
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/blur/
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/edgent/
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/gossip/
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/griffin/
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/htrace/
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/johnzon/
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/joshua/
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/kudu/
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/mrql/
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/netbeans/
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/odftoolkit/
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/openwhisk/
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/plc4x/
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/predictionio/
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/quickstep/
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/rya/
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/sirona/
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/skywalking/
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/slider/
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/trafficcontrol/
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/unomi/
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/wave/
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/zipkin/
>
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/incubator/dubbo/
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/incubator/edgent/
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/incubator/joshua/
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/incubator/netbeans/
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/incubator/openwhisk/
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/incubator/plc4x/
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/incubator/rya/
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/incubator/skywalking/
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/incubator/unomi/
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/incubator/zipkin/
>
> Thanks,
> Justin
>
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