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ASF hosted machines - proposal

Here is a proposal for the ASF hosted machines to run TCK.  Please let 
me know if you think changes necessary.  Once we get it to a state that 
we agree upon, I will forward it to the Geronimo PMC for further 
approval and for the PMC to make the request to ASF infra.  It would be 
great if we could get this to the PMC by Monday, 5/19.

Rational:
The Apache Geronimo community has a need to support the execution and 
sharing of results from Sun certification tests (cts) which are 
necessary gain JavaEE5 certification compliance.  This information is 
only available to those Geronimo committers that have signed the Sun NDA 
and other Apache committers that have signed an NDA and gained approval 
of the Apache Geronimo PMC.  As such, this is becoming a resource for 
not only the Apache Geronimo but also other ASF projects.

In the past these resource intensive tests have been run on private 
machines by individuals.  As more people become involved with Apache 
Geronimo and related projects, it is becoming obvious that we need a 
central system to run and share the results of these tests.

Request:
To fulfill this requirement, the Apache Geronimo PMC is requesting the 
ASF infrastructure team to provide and host machines that can be used 
for this purpose.  Initially, we would like to request two (2) machines 
that meet (as closely as possible) the specification below.  However, we 
can see the need for 2 additional machines in the not too distant future.

Machine specs:
- 8 core (two 3.0 GHz quad-core)
- 16 GB memory
- two 750GB 7200 - rpm SATA 3GB/s disks
- DVD R/W (20x?)
- rack mountable specification to work with ASF infra requirements
- LOM or other features as necessary for ASF infra support
- to be developer managed and maintained by the Apache Geronimo Team
   - Apache Geronimo would assume all responsibility for:
      - configuration
      - backup/recovery
      - secure access
         - Strictly limited to those Apache Geronimo committers with 
NDAs on file or additional Apache committers with NDAs and approved by 
Geronimo PMC.
   - full, admin access would be granted to ASF infra with reboot directions
   - At least 2 active Apache Geronimo committers (with NDA 
authorization) would identified to manage the machines.
- Running Linux with something like Xen for 4 VM images per machine
- Automation will most likely be added to run builds, execute tests, and 
produce reports.
- Capability to manually run tests on demand would also be supported.


Joe


Re: ASF hosted machines - proposal

Posted by Joe Bohn <jo...@earthlink.net>.
Good points Donald ... comments inline

Donald Woods wrote:
> Joe, thanks for pulling this together.  Just a couple more questions -
> 
> For the vm images, do we want them behind a NAT or using public IP 
> addresses, with the later being important in the request due to an 
> additional infrastructure requirement...
I'm not well versed the advantages/disadvantages for these .. but I 
suspect NAT is better.  comments?
> 
> Do we need to mention any network bandwidth requirements or projected 
> download/upload amounts?
I'm sure that would be beneficial but I have no idea how to go about 
quantifying this.  ideas?  Perhaps we should just see if they inquire 
more about this.
> 
> Also, do we want VNC access to the host and guest systems, or only 
> access them via ssh?
I think VNC would be beneficial.  There are some tests that we've been 
running via the UI so if we want to run those tests on these machines it 
  would be essential. I've added it below.
> 
> 
> -Donald
> 
> 
> Joe Bohn wrote:
>> Here is a proposal for the ASF hosted machines to run TCK.  Please let 
>> me know if you think changes necessary.  Once we get it to a state 
>> that we agree upon, I will forward it to the Geronimo PMC for further 
>> approval and for the PMC to make the request to ASF infra.  It would 
>> be great if we could get this to the PMC by Monday, 5/19.
>>
>> Rational:
>> The Apache Geronimo community has a need to support the execution and 
>> sharing of results from Sun certification tests (cts) which are 
>> necessary gain JavaEE5 certification compliance.  This information is 
>> only available to those Geronimo committers that have signed the Sun 
>> NDA and other Apache committers that have signed an NDA and gained 
>> approval of the Apache Geronimo PMC.  As such, this is becoming a 
>> resource for not only the Apache Geronimo but also other ASF projects.
>>
>> In the past these resource intensive tests have been run on private 
>> machines by individuals.  As more people become involved with Apache 
>> Geronimo and related projects, it is becoming obvious that we need a 
>> central system to run and share the results of these tests.
>>
>> Request:
>> To fulfill this requirement, the Apache Geronimo PMC is requesting the 
>> ASF infrastructure team to provide and host machines that can be used 
>> for this purpose.  Initially, we would like to request two (2) 
>> machines that meet (as closely as possible) the specification below.  
>> However, we can see the need for 2 additional machines in the not too 
>> distant future.
>>
>> Machine specs:
>> - 8 core (two 3.0 GHz quad-core)
>> - 16 GB memory
>> - two 750GB 7200 - rpm SATA 3GB/s disks
>> - DVD R/W (20x?)
>> - rack mountable specification to work with ASF infra requirements
>> - LOM or other features as necessary for ASF infra support
>> - to be developer managed and maintained by the Apache Geronimo Team
>>   - Apache Geronimo would assume all responsibility for:
>>      - configuration
>>      - backup/recovery
>>      - secure access
>>         - Strictly limited to those Apache Geronimo committers with 
>> NDAs on file or additional Apache committers with NDAs and approved by 
>> Geronimo PMC.
>>   - full, admin access would be granted to ASF infra with reboot 
>> directions
>>   - At least 2 active Apache Geronimo committers (with NDA 
>> authorization) would identified to manage the machines.
>> - Running Linux with something like Xen for 4 VM images per machine
    - We would require both ssh and VNC access to the VMs.
>> - Automation will most likely be added to run builds, execute tests, 
>> and produce reports.
>> - Capability to manually run tests on demand would also be supported.
>>
>>
>> Joe
>>
>>


Re: ASF hosted machines - proposal

Posted by Donald Woods <dw...@apache.org>.
Joe, thanks for pulling this together.  Just a couple more questions -

For the vm images, do we want them behind a NAT or using public IP 
addresses, with the later being important in the request due to an 
additional infrastructure requirement...

Do we need to mention any network bandwidth requirements or projected 
download/upload amounts?

Also, do we want VNC access to the host and guest systems, or only 
access them via ssh?


-Donald


Joe Bohn wrote:
> Here is a proposal for the ASF hosted machines to run TCK.  Please let 
> me know if you think changes necessary.  Once we get it to a state that 
> we agree upon, I will forward it to the Geronimo PMC for further 
> approval and for the PMC to make the request to ASF infra.  It would be 
> great if we could get this to the PMC by Monday, 5/19.
> 
> Rational:
> The Apache Geronimo community has a need to support the execution and 
> sharing of results from Sun certification tests (cts) which are 
> necessary gain JavaEE5 certification compliance.  This information is 
> only available to those Geronimo committers that have signed the Sun NDA 
> and other Apache committers that have signed an NDA and gained approval 
> of the Apache Geronimo PMC.  As such, this is becoming a resource for 
> not only the Apache Geronimo but also other ASF projects.
> 
> In the past these resource intensive tests have been run on private 
> machines by individuals.  As more people become involved with Apache 
> Geronimo and related projects, it is becoming obvious that we need a 
> central system to run and share the results of these tests.
> 
> Request:
> To fulfill this requirement, the Apache Geronimo PMC is requesting the 
> ASF infrastructure team to provide and host machines that can be used 
> for this purpose.  Initially, we would like to request two (2) machines 
> that meet (as closely as possible) the specification below.  However, we 
> can see the need for 2 additional machines in the not too distant future.
> 
> Machine specs:
> - 8 core (two 3.0 GHz quad-core)
> - 16 GB memory
> - two 750GB 7200 - rpm SATA 3GB/s disks
> - DVD R/W (20x?)
> - rack mountable specification to work with ASF infra requirements
> - LOM or other features as necessary for ASF infra support
> - to be developer managed and maintained by the Apache Geronimo Team
>   - Apache Geronimo would assume all responsibility for:
>      - configuration
>      - backup/recovery
>      - secure access
>         - Strictly limited to those Apache Geronimo committers with NDAs 
> on file or additional Apache committers with NDAs and approved by 
> Geronimo PMC.
>   - full, admin access would be granted to ASF infra with reboot directions
>   - At least 2 active Apache Geronimo committers (with NDA 
> authorization) would identified to manage the machines.
> - Running Linux with something like Xen for 4 VM images per machine
> - Automation will most likely be added to run builds, execute tests, and 
> produce reports.
> - Capability to manually run tests on demand would also be supported.
> 
> 
> Joe
> 
> 

Re: ASF hosted machines - proposal

Posted by Joe Bohn <jo...@earthlink.net>.
Kevan Miller wrote:
> 
> By the way, I volunteer to help admin these beasts.
> 
> On May 19, 2008, at 2:36 PM, Joe Bohn wrote:
> 
>> Kevan Miller wrote:
>>> Has anybody talked to Infra about virtualization environments, 
>>> restrictions, guidance?
>>
>> I exchanged some emails with Justin Erenkrantz and asked about the VM 
>> issue.  He mentioned that they had VMWare Workstation on one machine. 
>> In general, I have the impression that they aren't as concerned about 
>> the VM images/environment if we are controlling the machines.  
>> However, I suspect we'll get a better feel for that once we submit a 
>> request and see their response.
> 
> K.
> 
>>
>>
>>> Only 4 VM images? With an 8 core, I thought we'd try to allocate a VM 
>>> per core...
>>
>> I thought about one per core but ended up with 2 just in case we need 
>> it for other related activities.  This was also in line with what Matt 
>> was recommending.  If we increase the # of VMs we would also need to 
>> up the memory and possibly diskspace and that really started to look 
>> excessive to me.  I was just trying to give a high level description 
>> of our plans for the machines.  I don't think this limits us to just 4 
>> VMs.  Perhaps instead of requesting additional machines later on we 
>> could add any additional resources to get more VMs active on the first 
>> 2 machines.
> 
> OK. So, this number isn't laid in stone. We'll be tweaking to maximize 
> our throughput and usage.

right
> 
>>
>>
>>> --kevan
>>> On May 19, 2008, at 1:04 PM, Joe Bohn wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It appears that the discussion has died down on this topic.  Here is 
>>>> the latest update with some minor changes based upon Donald's 
>>>> questions.  I plan to send this on to the PMC in the next hour or so 
>>>> ... so please speak up if you think of anything additional.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you,
>>>> Joe
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Rationale:
>>>> The Apache Geronimo community has a need to support the execution 
>>>> and sharing of results from Sun certification tests (cts) which are 
>>>> necessary
> to
>>>> gain JavaEE5 certification compliance.  This information is only 
>>>> available to those Geronimo committers that have signed the Sun NDA 
>>>> and other Apache committers that have signed the NDA and gained 
>>>> approval of the Apache Geronimo PMC.  As such, this is becoming a 
>>>> resource for not only the Apache Geronimo but also other ASF projects.
> 
> Not sure what is meant by the last sentence.
> 

The meaning is that running, managing, and sharing the test harness, 
systems, and test results is beneficial to several Apache projects. 
Certainly Geronimo is still the primary beneficiary but since we have 
opened our test harness and results to other apache projects Geronimo is 
not the sole beneficiary.  I thought that highlighting this 
collaborative effort would improve our chances of getting the machines.

>>>>
>>>> In the past these resource intensive tests have been run on private 
>>>> machines by individuals.  As more people become involved with Apache 
>>>> Geronimo and related projects, it is becoming obvious that we need a 
>>>> central system to run and share the results of these tests.
> 
> A centralized testing environment allows the Geronimo community to more 
> fully participate in the TCK process. Some committers don't have access 
> to the hardware resources needed to run the Java EE TCK tests in a 
> timely manner. Although some ad-hoc sharing of private machines has 
> occurred, this is not ideal from a community perspective. Community 
> controlled systems allow us to equitably share these resources.

Good words ... I'll add this.

> 
> --kevan
> 
>>>>
>>>> Request:
>>>> To fulfill this requirement, the Apache Geronimo PMC is requesting 
>>>> the ASF infrastructure team to provide and host machines that can be 
>>>> used for this purpose.  Initially, we would like to request two (2) 
>>>> machines that meet (as closely as possible) the specification 
>>>> below.  However, we can see the need for 2 additional machines in 
>>>> the not too distant future.
>>>>
>>>> Machine specs:
>>>> - 8 core (two 3.0 GHz quad-core)
>>>> - 16 GB memory
>>>> - two 750GB 7200 - rpm SATA 3GB/s disks
>>>> - DVD R/W (20x?)
>>>> - rack mountable specification to work with ASF infra requirements
>>>> - LOM or other features as necessary for ASF infra support
>>>> - to be developer managed and maintained by the Apache Geronimo Team
>>>> - Apache Geronimo would assume all responsibility for:
>>>>    - configuration
>>>>    - backup/recovery
>>>>    - secure access
>>>>       - Strictly limited to those Apache Geronimo committers with 
>>>> NDAs on file or additional Apache committers with NDAs and approved 
>>>> by Geronimo PMC.
>>>> - full, admin access would be granted to ASF infra with reboot 
>>>> directions
>>>> - At least 2 active Apache Geronimo committers (with NDA 
>>>> authorization) would identified to manage the machines.
>>>> - Running Linux with something like Xen for 4 VM images per machine
>>>> - We would require both ssh and VNC access to the VMs.
>>>> - It is not yet decided if we would use NAT to access the VMs or 
>>>> public IP addresses.  Is there are recommendation from ASF Infra?
>>>> - Automation will most likely be added to run builds, execute tests, 
>>>> and produce reports.
>>>> - Capability to manually run tests on demand would also be supported.
>>>>
>>
> 
> 
> 


Re: ASF hosted machines - proposal

Posted by Kevan Miller <ke...@gmail.com>.
By the way, I volunteer to help admin these beasts.

On May 19, 2008, at 2:36 PM, Joe Bohn wrote:

> Kevan Miller wrote:
>> Has anybody talked to Infra about virtualization environments,  
>> restrictions, guidance?
>
> I exchanged some emails with Justin Erenkrantz and asked about the  
> VM issue.  He mentioned that they had VMWare Workstation on one  
> machine. In general, I have the impression that they aren't as  
> concerned about the VM images/environment if we are controlling the  
> machines.  However, I suspect we'll get a better feel for that once  
> we submit a request and see their response.

K.

>
>
>> Only 4 VM images? With an 8 core, I thought we'd try to allocate a  
>> VM per core...
>
> I thought about one per core but ended up with 2 just in case we  
> need it for other related activities.  This was also in line with  
> what Matt was recommending.  If we increase the # of VMs we would  
> also need to up the memory and possibly diskspace and that really  
> started to look excessive to me.  I was just trying to give a high  
> level description of our plans for the machines.  I don't think this  
> limits us to just 4 VMs.  Perhaps instead of requesting additional  
> machines later on we could add any additional resources to get more  
> VMs active on the first 2 machines.

OK. So, this number isn't laid in stone. We'll be tweaking to maximize  
our throughput and usage.

>
>
>> --kevan
>> On May 19, 2008, at 1:04 PM, Joe Bohn wrote:
>>>
>>> It appears that the discussion has died down on this topic.  Here  
>>> is the latest update with some minor changes based upon Donald's  
>>> questions.  I plan to send this on to the PMC in the next hour or  
>>> so ... so please speak up if you think of anything additional.
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>> Joe
>>>
>>>
>>> Rationale:
>>> The Apache Geronimo community has a need to support the execution  
>>> and sharing of results from Sun certification tests (cts) which  
>>> are necessary
to
>>> gain JavaEE5 certification compliance.  This information is only  
>>> available to those Geronimo committers that have signed the Sun  
>>> NDA and other Apache committers that have signed the NDA and  
>>> gained approval of the Apache Geronimo PMC.  As such, this is  
>>> becoming a resource for not only the Apache Geronimo but also  
>>> other ASF projects.

Not sure what is meant by the last sentence.

>>>
>>> In the past these resource intensive tests have been run on  
>>> private machines by individuals.  As more people become involved  
>>> with Apache Geronimo and related projects, it is becoming obvious  
>>> that we need a central system to run and share the results of  
>>> these tests.

A centralized testing environment allows the Geronimo community to  
more fully participate in the TCK process. Some committers don't have  
access to the hardware resources needed to run the Java EE TCK tests  
in a timely manner. Although some ad-hoc sharing of private machines  
has occurred, this is not ideal from a community perspective.  
Community controlled systems allow us to equitably share these  
resources.

--kevan

>>>
>>> Request:
>>> To fulfill this requirement, the Apache Geronimo PMC is requesting  
>>> the ASF infrastructure team to provide and host machines that can  
>>> be used for this purpose.  Initially, we would like to request two  
>>> (2) machines that meet (as closely as possible) the specification  
>>> below.  However, we can see the need for 2 additional machines in  
>>> the not too distant future.
>>>
>>> Machine specs:
>>> - 8 core (two 3.0 GHz quad-core)
>>> - 16 GB memory
>>> - two 750GB 7200 - rpm SATA 3GB/s disks
>>> - DVD R/W (20x?)
>>> - rack mountable specification to work with ASF infra requirements
>>> - LOM or other features as necessary for ASF infra support
>>> - to be developer managed and maintained by the Apache Geronimo Team
>>> - Apache Geronimo would assume all responsibility for:
>>>    - configuration
>>>    - backup/recovery
>>>    - secure access
>>>       - Strictly limited to those Apache Geronimo committers with  
>>> NDAs on file or additional Apache committers with NDAs and  
>>> approved by Geronimo PMC.
>>> - full, admin access would be granted to ASF infra with reboot  
>>> directions
>>> - At least 2 active Apache Geronimo committers (with NDA  
>>> authorization) would identified to manage the machines.
>>> - Running Linux with something like Xen for 4 VM images per machine
>>> - We would require both ssh and VNC access to the VMs.
>>> - It is not yet decided if we would use NAT to access the VMs or  
>>> public IP addresses.  Is there are recommendation from ASF Infra?
>>> - Automation will most likely be added to run builds, execute  
>>> tests, and produce reports.
>>> - Capability to manually run tests on demand would also be  
>>> supported.
>>>
>



Re: ASF hosted machines - proposal

Posted by Joe Bohn <jo...@earthlink.net>.
Kevan Miller wrote:
> Has anybody talked to Infra about virtualization environments, 
> restrictions, guidance?

I exchanged some emails with Justin Erenkrantz and asked about the VM 
issue.  He mentioned that they had VMWare Workstation on one machine. 
In general, I have the impression that they aren't as concerned about 
the VM images/environment if we are controlling the machines.  However, 
I suspect we'll get a better feel for that once we submit a request and 
see their response.

> 
> Only 4 VM images? With an 8 core, I thought we'd try to allocate a VM 
> per core...

I thought about one per core but ended up with 2 just in case we need it 
for other related activities.  This was also in line with what Matt was 
recommending.  If we increase the # of VMs we would also need to up the 
memory and possibly diskspace and that really started to look excessive 
to me.  I was just trying to give a high level description of our plans 
for the machines.  I don't think this limits us to just 4 VMs.  Perhaps 
instead of requesting additional machines later on we could add any 
additional resources to get more VMs active on the first 2 machines.

> 
> --kevan
> On May 19, 2008, at 1:04 PM, Joe Bohn wrote:
> 
>>
>> It appears that the discussion has died down on this topic.  Here is 
>> the latest update with some minor changes based upon Donald's 
>> questions.  I plan to send this on to the PMC in the next hour or so 
>> ... so please speak up if you think of anything additional.
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Joe
>>
>>
>> Rationale:
>> The Apache Geronimo community has a need to support the execution and 
>> sharing of results from Sun certification tests (cts) which are 
>> necessary gain JavaEE5 certification compliance.  This information is 
>> only available to those Geronimo committers that have signed the Sun 
>> NDA and other Apache committers that have signed an NDA and gained 
>> approval of the Apache Geronimo PMC.  As such, this is becoming a 
>> resource for not only the Apache Geronimo but also other ASF projects.
>>
>> In the past these resource intensive tests have been run on private 
>> machines by individuals.  As more people become involved with Apache 
>> Geronimo and related projects, it is becoming obvious that we need a 
>> central system to run and share the results of these tests.
>>
>> Request:
>> To fulfill this requirement, the Apache Geronimo PMC is requesting the 
>> ASF infrastructure team to provide and host machines that can be used 
>> for this purpose.  Initially, we would like to request two (2) 
>> machines that meet (as closely as possible) the specification below.  
>> However, we can see the need for 2 additional machines in the not too 
>> distant future.
>>
>> Machine specs:
>> - 8 core (two 3.0 GHz quad-core)
>> - 16 GB memory
>> - two 750GB 7200 - rpm SATA 3GB/s disks
>> - DVD R/W (20x?)
>> - rack mountable specification to work with ASF infra requirements
>> - LOM or other features as necessary for ASF infra support
>> - to be developer managed and maintained by the Apache Geronimo Team
>>  - Apache Geronimo would assume all responsibility for:
>>     - configuration
>>     - backup/recovery
>>     - secure access
>>        - Strictly limited to those Apache Geronimo committers with 
>> NDAs on file or additional Apache committers with NDAs and approved by 
>> Geronimo PMC.
>>  - full, admin access would be granted to ASF infra with reboot 
>> directions
>>  - At least 2 active Apache Geronimo committers (with NDA 
>> authorization) would identified to manage the machines.
>> - Running Linux with something like Xen for 4 VM images per machine
>>  - We would require both ssh and VNC access to the VMs.
>>  - It is not yet decided if we would use NAT to access the VMs or 
>> public IP addresses.  Is there are recommendation from ASF Infra?
>> - Automation will most likely be added to run builds, execute tests, 
>> and produce reports.
>> - Capability to manually run tests on demand would also be supported.
> 
> 


Re: ASF hosted machines - proposal

Posted by Kevan Miller <ke...@gmail.com>.
Has anybody talked to Infra about virtualization environments,  
restrictions, guidance?

Only 4 VM images? With an 8 core, I thought we'd try to allocate a VM  
per core...

--kevan
On May 19, 2008, at 1:04 PM, Joe Bohn wrote:

>
> It appears that the discussion has died down on this topic.  Here is  
> the latest update with some minor changes based upon Donald's  
> questions.  I plan to send this on to the PMC in the next hour or  
> so ... so please speak up if you think of anything additional.
>
> Thank you,
> Joe
>
>
> Rationale:
> The Apache Geronimo community has a need to support the execution  
> and sharing of results from Sun certification tests (cts) which are  
> necessary gain JavaEE5 certification compliance.  This information  
> is only available to those Geronimo committers that have signed the  
> Sun NDA and other Apache committers that have signed an NDA and  
> gained approval of the Apache Geronimo PMC.  As such, this is  
> becoming a resource for not only the Apache Geronimo but also other  
> ASF projects.
>
> In the past these resource intensive tests have been run on private  
> machines by individuals.  As more people become involved with Apache  
> Geronimo and related projects, it is becoming obvious that we need a  
> central system to run and share the results of these tests.
>
> Request:
> To fulfill this requirement, the Apache Geronimo PMC is requesting  
> the ASF infrastructure team to provide and host machines that can be  
> used for this purpose.  Initially, we would like to request two (2)  
> machines that meet (as closely as possible) the specification  
> below.  However, we can see the need for 2 additional machines in  
> the not too distant future.
>
> Machine specs:
> - 8 core (two 3.0 GHz quad-core)
> - 16 GB memory
> - two 750GB 7200 - rpm SATA 3GB/s disks
> - DVD R/W (20x?)
> - rack mountable specification to work with ASF infra requirements
> - LOM or other features as necessary for ASF infra support
> - to be developer managed and maintained by the Apache Geronimo Team
>  - Apache Geronimo would assume all responsibility for:
>     - configuration
>     - backup/recovery
>     - secure access
>        - Strictly limited to those Apache Geronimo committers with  
> NDAs on file or additional Apache committers with NDAs and approved  
> by Geronimo PMC.
>  - full, admin access would be granted to ASF infra with reboot  
> directions
>  - At least 2 active Apache Geronimo committers (with NDA  
> authorization) would identified to manage the machines.
> - Running Linux with something like Xen for 4 VM images per machine
>  - We would require both ssh and VNC access to the VMs.
>  - It is not yet decided if we would use NAT to access the VMs or  
> public IP addresses.  Is there are recommendation from ASF Infra?
> - Automation will most likely be added to run builds, execute tests,  
> and produce reports.
> - Capability to manually run tests on demand would also be supported.


Re: ASF hosted machines - proposal

Posted by Kevan Miller <ke...@gmail.com>.
On May 19, 2008, at 10:32 PM, Joe Bohn wrote:

>
> I had posted this proposal on the PMC list when Kevan pointed out  
> that we should really seek PMC approval on the dev list for this item.
>
> Below is an updated version of the proposal.  It incorporates  
> Kevan's most recent comments.
>
> What is the best way to gain PMC approval on the dev list?  A vote  
> is the only thing I can think of ... any other suggestions?

Call a vote on it.

A few final suggestions...

>
>
>
>
>
> Rationale:
> The Apache Geronimo community has a need to support the execution  
> and sharing of results from Sun certification tests (cts) which are  
> necessary gain JavaEE5 certification compliance.  This information  
> is only available to those Geronimo committers that have signed the  
> Sun NDA and other Apache committers that have signed an NDA and  
> gained approval of the Apache Geronimo PMC.

This has allowed other projects to test new products/releases by  
running JavaEE 5 TCK tests using the Geronimo test infrastructure.

>
> In the past these resource intensive tests have been run on private  
> machines by individuals.  As more people become involved with Apache  
> Geronimo and related projects, it is becoming obvious that we need a  
> central system to run and share the results of these tests.  A  
> centralized testing environment allows the Geronimo community to  
> more fully participate in the TCK process. Some committers don't  
> have access to the hardware resources needed to run the Java EE TCK  
> tests in a timely manner. Although some ad-hoc sharing of private  
> machines has occurred, this is not ideal from a community  
> perspective. Community controlled systems allow us to equitably  
> share these resources.
>
> Request:
> To fulfill this requirement, the Apache Geronimo PMC is requesting  
> the ASF infrastructure team to provide and host machines that can be  
> used for this purpose.  Initially, we would like to request two (2)  
> machines that meet (as closely as possible) the specification  
> below.  However, we can see the need for 2 additional machines in  
> the not too distant future.
>
> Machine specs:
> - 8 core (two 3.0 GHz quad-core)
> - 16 GB memory
> - two 750GB 7200 - rpm SATA 3GB/s disks
> - DVD R/W (20x?)
> - rack mountable specification to work with ASF infra requirements
> - LOM or other features as necessary for ASF infra support
> - to be developer managed and maintained by the Apache Geronimo Team
>  - Apache Geronimo would assume all responsibility for:
>     - configuration
>     - backup/recovery
>     - secure access
>        - Strictly limited to those Apache Geronimo committers with  
> NDAs on file or additional Apache committers with NDAs and approved  
> by Geronimo PMC.
>  - full, admin access would be granted to ASF infra with reboot  
> directions
>  - At least 2 active Apache Geronimo committers (with NDA  
> authorization) would identified to manage the machines.
> - Running Linux with something like Xen for 4 VM images per  
> machine.  We may increase the number of VM images if it is feasible.
>  - We would require both ssh and VNC access to the VMs.
>  - It is not yet decided if we would use NAT to access the VMs or  
> public IP addresses.  Is there are recommendation from ASF Infra?
> - Automation will most likely be added to run builds, execute tests,  
> and produce reports.
> - Capability to manually run tests on demand would also be supported.

Admin Volunteers:
   - Joe Bohn (PMC)
   - Jay McHugh (PMC)
   - Jason Warner
   - Matt Hogstrom (PMC)
   - Kevan Miller (PMC)

--kevan

Re: ASF hosted machines - proposal

Posted by Joe Bohn <jo...@earthlink.net>.
I had posted this proposal on the PMC list when Kevan pointed out that 
we should really seek PMC approval on the dev list for this item.

Below is an updated version of the proposal.  It incorporates Kevan's 
most recent comments.

What is the best way to gain PMC approval on the dev list?  A vote is 
the only thing I can think of ... any other suggestions?




Rationale:
The Apache Geronimo community has a need to support the execution and 
sharing of results from Sun certification tests (cts) which are 
necessary gain JavaEE5 certification compliance.  This information is 
only available to those Geronimo committers that have signed the Sun NDA 
and other Apache committers that have signed an NDA and gained approval 
of the Apache Geronimo PMC.

In the past these resource intensive tests have been run on private 
machines by individuals.  As more people become involved with Apache 
Geronimo and related projects, it is becoming obvious that we need a 
central system to run and share the results of these tests.  A 
centralized testing environment allows the Geronimo community to more 
fully participate in the TCK process. Some committers don't have access 
to the hardware resources needed to run the Java EE TCK tests in a 
timely manner. Although some ad-hoc sharing of private machines has 
occurred, this is not ideal from a community perspective. Community 
controlled systems allow us to equitably share these resources.

Request:
To fulfill this requirement, the Apache Geronimo PMC is requesting the 
ASF infrastructure team to provide and host machines that can be used 
for this purpose.  Initially, we would like to request two (2) machines 
that meet (as closely as possible) the specification below.  However, we 
can see the need for 2 additional machines in the not too distant future.

Machine specs:
- 8 core (two 3.0 GHz quad-core)
- 16 GB memory
- two 750GB 7200 - rpm SATA 3GB/s disks
- DVD R/W (20x?)
- rack mountable specification to work with ASF infra requirements
- LOM or other features as necessary for ASF infra support
- to be developer managed and maintained by the Apache Geronimo Team
   - Apache Geronimo would assume all responsibility for:
      - configuration
      - backup/recovery
      - secure access
         - Strictly limited to those Apache Geronimo committers with 
NDAs on file or additional Apache committers with NDAs and approved by 
Geronimo PMC.
   - full, admin access would be granted to ASF infra with reboot directions
   - At least 2 active Apache Geronimo committers (with NDA 
authorization) would identified to manage the machines.
- Running Linux with something like Xen for 4 VM images per machine.  We 
may increase the number of VM images if it is feasible.
   - We would require both ssh and VNC access to the VMs.
   - It is not yet decided if we would use NAT to access the VMs or 
public IP addresses.  Is there are recommendation from ASF Infra?
- Automation will most likely be added to run builds, execute tests, and 
produce reports.
- Capability to manually run tests on demand would also be supported.


Re: ASF hosted machines - proposal

Posted by Joe Bohn <jo...@earthlink.net>.
It appears that the discussion has died down on this topic.  Here is the 
latest update with some minor changes based upon Donald's questions.  I 
plan to send this on to the PMC in the next hour or so ... so please 
speak up if you think of anything additional.

Thank you,
Joe


Rationale:
The Apache Geronimo community has a need to support the execution and 
sharing of results from Sun certification tests (cts) which are 
necessary gain JavaEE5 certification compliance.  This information is 
only available to those Geronimo committers that have signed the Sun NDA 
and other Apache committers that have signed an NDA and gained approval 
of the Apache Geronimo PMC.  As such, this is becoming a resource for 
not only the Apache Geronimo but also other ASF projects.

In the past these resource intensive tests have been run on private 
machines by individuals.  As more people become involved with Apache 
Geronimo and related projects, it is becoming obvious that we need a 
central system to run and share the results of these tests.

Request:
To fulfill this requirement, the Apache Geronimo PMC is requesting the 
ASF infrastructure team to provide and host machines that can be used 
for this purpose.  Initially, we would like to request two (2) machines 
that meet (as closely as possible) the specification below.  However, we 
can see the need for 2 additional machines in the not too distant future.

Machine specs:
- 8 core (two 3.0 GHz quad-core)
- 16 GB memory
- two 750GB 7200 - rpm SATA 3GB/s disks
- DVD R/W (20x?)
- rack mountable specification to work with ASF infra requirements
- LOM or other features as necessary for ASF infra support
- to be developer managed and maintained by the Apache Geronimo Team
   - Apache Geronimo would assume all responsibility for:
      - configuration
      - backup/recovery
      - secure access
         - Strictly limited to those Apache Geronimo committers with 
NDAs on file or additional Apache committers with NDAs and approved by 
Geronimo PMC.
   - full, admin access would be granted to ASF infra with reboot directions
   - At least 2 active Apache Geronimo committers (with NDA 
authorization) would identified to manage the machines.
- Running Linux with something like Xen for 4 VM images per machine
   - We would require both ssh and VNC access to the VMs.
   - It is not yet decided if we would use NAT to access the VMs or 
public IP addresses.  Is there are recommendation from ASF Infra?
- Automation will most likely be added to run builds, execute tests, and 
produce reports.
- Capability to manually run tests on demand would also be supported.