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Posted to dev@flink.apache.org by Andrew Palumbo <ap...@outlook.com> on 2017/07/15 21:39:30 UTC
Re: Facebook BSD+patents license and Apache products
+ dev@flink (if they allow this through moderation.. I'm not subscribed to their list anymore; If not I believe that there are enough Flink PMCs on private@mahout to answer
We've stopped shipping the flink binaries as of Mahout 0.13.0:
https://mvnrepository.com/artifact/org.apache.mahout/mahout-flink_2.10
Due to some versioning issues IIRC. Source is all still available for build with or without ViennaCL.
Is there anything that needs tom be done from our end?
--andy
________________________________
From: Pat Ferrel <pa...@occamsmachete.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2017 2:22:32 PM
To: private@mahout.apache.org
Cc: legal-discuss@apache.org
Subject: Re: Facebook BSD+patents license and Apache products
Does this mean we have to remove Flink from release binaries By August?
On Jul 15, 2017, at 9:56 AM, Chris Mattmann <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
Hi,
As some of you may know, recently the Facebook BSD+patents license has been
moved to Category X (https://www.apache.org/legal/resolved#category-x).
Please see LEGAL-303 [1] for a discussion of this. The license is also referred
to as the ROCKSDB license, even though Facebook BSD+patents is its more
industry standard name.
This has impacted some projects, to date based on LEGAL-303
and the detective work of Todd Lipcon:
Samza, Flink, Marmotta, Kafka and Bahir
(perhaps more)
Please take notice of the following policy:
o No new project, sub-project or codebase, which has not
used Facebook BSD+patents licensed jars (or similar), are allowed to use
them. In other words, if you haven't been using them, you
aren't allowed to start. It is Cat-X.
o If you have been using it, and have done so in a *release*,
you have a temporary exclusion from the Cat-X classification thru
August 31, 2017. At that point in time, ANY and ALL usage
of these Facebook BSD+patents licensed artifacts are DISALLOWED. You must
either find a suitably licensed replacement, or do without.
There will be NO exceptions.
o Any situation not covered by the above is an implicit
DISALLOWAL of usage.
Also please note that in the 2nd situation (where a temporary
exclusion has been granted), you MUST ensure that NOTICE explicitly
notifies the end-user that a Facebook BSD+patents licensed artifact exists. They
may not be aware of it up to now, and that MUST be addressed.
If there are any questions, please ask on the legal-discuss@a.o
list.
Thanks.
Cheers,
Chris Mattmann
VP Legal Affairs
[1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-303
RE: Facebook BSD+patents license and Apache products
Posted by "Torok, David" <Da...@comcast.com>.
Looking at the end of https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-303 it seems that the issue has been (partially) resolved by RocksDB re-licensing under Apache V2 and GPL (dual license) but would only take effect for consumers (e.g. Flink) after a RocksDB release... so hopefully there isn't too long a time if any that RocksDB is not available as a backend for state.
-----Original Message-----
From: John D. Ament [mailto:johndament@apache.org]
Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2017 5:46 PM
To: legal-discuss@apache.org; dev@flink.apache.org; ap.dev@outlook.com; private@mahout.apache.org
Subject: Re: Facebook BSD+patents license and Apache products
The assertion that Flink is using RocksDB seems to be a bit over stated.
https://github.com/apache/flink/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=rocksdb&type= is how Flink uses RocksDB. It appears that its an optional dependency already, and not core to Flink. What this means is that you shouldn't use the Flink RocksDB backend, and Flink will need to remove that contrib module from the ASF based sources.
I'll also point out that cross this between public and private lists is confusing, and not very ASF friendly.
John
On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 5:39 PM Andrew Palumbo <ap...@outlook.com> wrote:
> + dev@flink (if they allow this through moderation.. I'm not
> + subscribed
> to their list anymore; If not I believe that there are enough Flink
> PMCs on private@mahout to answer
>
>
> We've stopped shipping the flink binaries as of Mahout 0.13.0:
>
>
> https://mvnrepository.com/artifact/org.apache.mahout/mahout-flink_2.10
>
>
> Due to some versioning issues IIRC. Source is all still available for
> build with or without ViennaCL.
>
>
> Is there anything that needs tom be done from our end?
>
>
> --andy
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Pat Ferrel <pa...@occamsmachete.com>
> *Sent:* Saturday, July 15, 2017 2:22:32 PM
> *To:* private@mahout.apache.org
> *Cc:* legal-discuss@apache.org
>
> *Subject:* Re: Facebook BSD+patents license and Apache products
>
> Does this mean we have to remove Flink from release binaries By August?
>
>
>
> On Jul 15, 2017, at 9:56 AM, Chris Mattmann <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> As some of you may know, recently the Facebook BSD+patents license has
> been moved to Category X (https://www.apache.org/legal/resolved#category-x).
> Please see LEGAL-303 [1] for a discussion of this. The license is also
> referred to as the ROCKSDB license, even though Facebook BSD+patents
> is its more industry standard name.
>
> This has impacted some projects, to date based on LEGAL-303 and the
> detective work of Todd Lipcon:
>
> Samza, Flink, Marmotta, Kafka and Bahir
>
> (perhaps more)
>
> Please take notice of the following policy:
>
> o No new project, sub-project or codebase, which has not used
> Facebook BSD+patents licensed jars (or similar), are allowed to use
> them. In other words, if you haven't been using them, you aren't
> allowed to start. It is Cat-X.
>
> o If you have been using it, and have done so in a *release*, you
> have a temporary exclusion from the Cat-X classification thru August
> 31, 2017. At that point in time, ANY and ALL usage of these Facebook
> BSD+patents licensed artifacts are DISALLOWED. You must either find a
> suitably licensed replacement, or do without.
> There will be NO exceptions.
>
> o Any situation not covered by the above is an implicit DISALLOWAL of
> usage.
>
> Also please note that in the 2nd situation (where a temporary
> exclusion has been granted), you MUST ensure that NOTICE explicitly
> notifies the end-user that a Facebook BSD+patents licensed artifact
> exists. They may not be aware of it up to now, and that MUST be
> addressed.
>
> If there are any questions, please ask on the legal-discuss@a.o list.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Cheers,
> Chris Mattmann
> VP Legal Affairs
>
> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-303
>
>
>
>
Re: Facebook BSD+patents license and Apache products
Posted by Andrew Palumbo <ap...@outlook.com>.
Thank you, I beleve Mahout is safe:
```
andy@micheal:~/sandbox/mahout_cuda$ mvn dependency:list | grep org.rocksdb
```
yields no results; transitive dependenies are listed by default
--andy
________________________________
From: John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2017 5:45 PM
To: legal-discuss@apache.org; dev@flink.apache.org; ap.dev@outlook.com; private@mahout.apache.org
Subject: Re: Facebook BSD+patents license and Apache products
The assertion that Flink is using RocksDB seems to be a bit over stated.
https://github.com/apache/flink/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=rocksdb&type= is
how Flink uses RocksDB. It appears that its an optional dependency
already, and not core to Flink. What this means is that you shouldn't use
the Flink RocksDB backend, and Flink will need to remove that contrib
module from the ASF based sources.
I'll also point out that cross this between public and private lists is
confusing, and not very ASF friendly.
John
On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 5:39 PM Andrew Palumbo <ap...@outlook.com> wrote:
> + dev@flink (if they allow this through moderation.. I'm not subscribed
> to their list anymore; If not I believe that there are enough Flink PMCs on
> private@mahout to answer
>
>
> We've stopped shipping the flink binaries as of Mahout 0.13.0:
>
>
> https://mvnrepository.com/artifact/org.apache.mahout/mahout-flink_2.10
>
>
> Due to some versioning issues IIRC. Source is all still available for
> build with or without ViennaCL.
>
>
> Is there anything that needs tom be done from our end?
>
>
> --andy
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Pat Ferrel <pa...@occamsmachete.com>
> *Sent:* Saturday, July 15, 2017 2:22:32 PM
> *To:* private@mahout.apache.org
> *Cc:* legal-discuss@apache.org
>
> *Subject:* Re: Facebook BSD+patents license and Apache products
>
> Does this mean we have to remove Flink from release binaries By August?
>
>
>
> On Jul 15, 2017, at 9:56 AM, Chris Mattmann <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> As some of you may know, recently the Facebook BSD+patents license has been
> moved to Category X (https://www.apache.org/legal/resolved#category-x).
ASF Legal Previously Asked Questions<https://www.apache.org/legal/resolved#category-x>
www.apache.org
Purpose and Intended Audience¶ This page provides a history of the answers to questions asked on the legal-discuss@ mailing list, and the scope of those answers.
> Please see LEGAL-303 [1] for a discussion of this. The license is also
> referred
> to as the ROCKSDB license, even though Facebook BSD+patents is its more
> industry standard name.
>
> This has impacted some projects, to date based on LEGAL-303
> and the detective work of Todd Lipcon:
>
> Samza, Flink, Marmotta, Kafka and Bahir
>
> (perhaps more)
>
> Please take notice of the following policy:
>
> o No new project, sub-project or codebase, which has not
> used Facebook BSD+patents licensed jars (or similar), are allowed to use
> them. In other words, if you haven't been using them, you
> aren't allowed to start. It is Cat-X.
>
> o If you have been using it, and have done so in a *release*,
> you have a temporary exclusion from the Cat-X classification thru
> August 31, 2017. At that point in time, ANY and ALL usage
> of these Facebook BSD+patents licensed artifacts are DISALLOWED. You must
> either find a suitably licensed replacement, or do without.
> There will be NO exceptions.
>
> o Any situation not covered by the above is an implicit
> DISALLOWAL of usage.
>
> Also please note that in the 2nd situation (where a temporary
> exclusion has been granted), you MUST ensure that NOTICE explicitly
> notifies the end-user that a Facebook BSD+patents licensed artifact
> exists. They
> may not be aware of it up to now, and that MUST be addressed.
>
> If there are any questions, please ask on the legal-discuss@a.o
> list.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Cheers,
> Chris Mattmann
> VP Legal Affairs
>
> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-303
>
>
>
>
Re: Facebook BSD+patents license and Apache products
Posted by Andrew Palumbo <ap...@outlook.com>.
Thank you, I beleve Mahout is safe:
```
andy@micheal:~/sandbox/mahout_cuda$ mvn dependency:list | grep org.rocksdb
```
yields no results; transitive dependenies are listed by default
--andy
________________________________
From: John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2017 5:45 PM
To: legal-discuss@apache.org; dev@flink.apache.org; ap.dev@outlook.com; private@mahout.apache.org
Subject: Re: Facebook BSD+patents license and Apache products
The assertion that Flink is using RocksDB seems to be a bit over stated.
https://github.com/apache/flink/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=rocksdb&type= is
how Flink uses RocksDB. It appears that its an optional dependency
already, and not core to Flink. What this means is that you shouldn't use
the Flink RocksDB backend, and Flink will need to remove that contrib
module from the ASF based sources.
I'll also point out that cross this between public and private lists is
confusing, and not very ASF friendly.
John
On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 5:39 PM Andrew Palumbo <ap...@outlook.com> wrote:
> + dev@flink (if they allow this through moderation.. I'm not subscribed
> to their list anymore; If not I believe that there are enough Flink PMCs on
> private@mahout to answer
>
>
> We've stopped shipping the flink binaries as of Mahout 0.13.0:
>
>
> https://mvnrepository.com/artifact/org.apache.mahout/mahout-flink_2.10
>
>
> Due to some versioning issues IIRC. Source is all still available for
> build with or without ViennaCL.
>
>
> Is there anything that needs tom be done from our end?
>
>
> --andy
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Pat Ferrel <pa...@occamsmachete.com>
> *Sent:* Saturday, July 15, 2017 2:22:32 PM
> *To:* private@mahout.apache.org
> *Cc:* legal-discuss@apache.org
>
> *Subject:* Re: Facebook BSD+patents license and Apache products
>
> Does this mean we have to remove Flink from release binaries By August?
>
>
>
> On Jul 15, 2017, at 9:56 AM, Chris Mattmann <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> As some of you may know, recently the Facebook BSD+patents license has been
> moved to Category X (https://www.apache.org/legal/resolved#category-x).
ASF Legal Previously Asked Questions<https://www.apache.org/legal/resolved#category-x>
www.apache.org
Purpose and Intended Audience¶ This page provides a history of the answers to questions asked on the legal-discuss@ mailing list, and the scope of those answers.
> Please see LEGAL-303 [1] for a discussion of this. The license is also
> referred
> to as the ROCKSDB license, even though Facebook BSD+patents is its more
> industry standard name.
>
> This has impacted some projects, to date based on LEGAL-303
> and the detective work of Todd Lipcon:
>
> Samza, Flink, Marmotta, Kafka and Bahir
>
> (perhaps more)
>
> Please take notice of the following policy:
>
> o No new project, sub-project or codebase, which has not
> used Facebook BSD+patents licensed jars (or similar), are allowed to use
> them. In other words, if you haven't been using them, you
> aren't allowed to start. It is Cat-X.
>
> o If you have been using it, and have done so in a *release*,
> you have a temporary exclusion from the Cat-X classification thru
> August 31, 2017. At that point in time, ANY and ALL usage
> of these Facebook BSD+patents licensed artifacts are DISALLOWED. You must
> either find a suitably licensed replacement, or do without.
> There will be NO exceptions.
>
> o Any situation not covered by the above is an implicit
> DISALLOWAL of usage.
>
> Also please note that in the 2nd situation (where a temporary
> exclusion has been granted), you MUST ensure that NOTICE explicitly
> notifies the end-user that a Facebook BSD+patents licensed artifact
> exists. They
> may not be aware of it up to now, and that MUST be addressed.
>
> If there are any questions, please ask on the legal-discuss@a.o
> list.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Cheers,
> Chris Mattmann
> VP Legal Affairs
>
> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-303
>
>
>
>
Re: Facebook BSD+patents license and Apache products
Posted by "John D. Ament" <jo...@apache.org>.
The assertion that Flink is using RocksDB seems to be a bit over stated.
https://github.com/apache/flink/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=rocksdb&type= is
how Flink uses RocksDB. It appears that its an optional dependency
already, and not core to Flink. What this means is that you shouldn't use
the Flink RocksDB backend, and Flink will need to remove that contrib
module from the ASF based sources.
I'll also point out that cross this between public and private lists is
confusing, and not very ASF friendly.
John
On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 5:39 PM Andrew Palumbo <ap...@outlook.com> wrote:
> + dev@flink (if they allow this through moderation.. I'm not subscribed
> to their list anymore; If not I believe that there are enough Flink PMCs on
> private@mahout to answer
>
>
> We've stopped shipping the flink binaries as of Mahout 0.13.0:
>
>
> https://mvnrepository.com/artifact/org.apache.mahout/mahout-flink_2.10
>
>
> Due to some versioning issues IIRC. Source is all still available for
> build with or without ViennaCL.
>
>
> Is there anything that needs tom be done from our end?
>
>
> --andy
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Pat Ferrel <pa...@occamsmachete.com>
> *Sent:* Saturday, July 15, 2017 2:22:32 PM
> *To:* private@mahout.apache.org
> *Cc:* legal-discuss@apache.org
>
> *Subject:* Re: Facebook BSD+patents license and Apache products
>
> Does this mean we have to remove Flink from release binaries By August?
>
>
>
> On Jul 15, 2017, at 9:56 AM, Chris Mattmann <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> As some of you may know, recently the Facebook BSD+patents license has been
> moved to Category X (https://www.apache.org/legal/resolved#category-x).
> Please see LEGAL-303 [1] for a discussion of this. The license is also
> referred
> to as the ROCKSDB license, even though Facebook BSD+patents is its more
> industry standard name.
>
> This has impacted some projects, to date based on LEGAL-303
> and the detective work of Todd Lipcon:
>
> Samza, Flink, Marmotta, Kafka and Bahir
>
> (perhaps more)
>
> Please take notice of the following policy:
>
> o No new project, sub-project or codebase, which has not
> used Facebook BSD+patents licensed jars (or similar), are allowed to use
> them. In other words, if you haven't been using them, you
> aren't allowed to start. It is Cat-X.
>
> o If you have been using it, and have done so in a *release*,
> you have a temporary exclusion from the Cat-X classification thru
> August 31, 2017. At that point in time, ANY and ALL usage
> of these Facebook BSD+patents licensed artifacts are DISALLOWED. You must
> either find a suitably licensed replacement, or do without.
> There will be NO exceptions.
>
> o Any situation not covered by the above is an implicit
> DISALLOWAL of usage.
>
> Also please note that in the 2nd situation (where a temporary
> exclusion has been granted), you MUST ensure that NOTICE explicitly
> notifies the end-user that a Facebook BSD+patents licensed artifact
> exists. They
> may not be aware of it up to now, and that MUST be addressed.
>
> If there are any questions, please ask on the legal-discuss@a.o
> list.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Cheers,
> Chris Mattmann
> VP Legal Affairs
>
> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-303
>
>
>
>
Re: Facebook BSD+patents license and Apache products
Posted by "John D. Ament" <jo...@apache.org>.
The assertion that Flink is using RocksDB seems to be a bit over stated.
https://github.com/apache/flink/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=rocksdb&type= is
how Flink uses RocksDB. It appears that its an optional dependency
already, and not core to Flink. What this means is that you shouldn't use
the Flink RocksDB backend, and Flink will need to remove that contrib
module from the ASF based sources.
I'll also point out that cross this between public and private lists is
confusing, and not very ASF friendly.
John
On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 5:39 PM Andrew Palumbo <ap...@outlook.com> wrote:
> + dev@flink (if they allow this through moderation.. I'm not subscribed
> to their list anymore; If not I believe that there are enough Flink PMCs on
> private@mahout to answer
>
>
> We've stopped shipping the flink binaries as of Mahout 0.13.0:
>
>
> https://mvnrepository.com/artifact/org.apache.mahout/mahout-flink_2.10
>
>
> Due to some versioning issues IIRC. Source is all still available for
> build with or without ViennaCL.
>
>
> Is there anything that needs tom be done from our end?
>
>
> --andy
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Pat Ferrel <pa...@occamsmachete.com>
> *Sent:* Saturday, July 15, 2017 2:22:32 PM
> *To:* private@mahout.apache.org
> *Cc:* legal-discuss@apache.org
>
> *Subject:* Re: Facebook BSD+patents license and Apache products
>
> Does this mean we have to remove Flink from release binaries By August?
>
>
>
> On Jul 15, 2017, at 9:56 AM, Chris Mattmann <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> As some of you may know, recently the Facebook BSD+patents license has been
> moved to Category X (https://www.apache.org/legal/resolved#category-x).
> Please see LEGAL-303 [1] for a discussion of this. The license is also
> referred
> to as the ROCKSDB license, even though Facebook BSD+patents is its more
> industry standard name.
>
> This has impacted some projects, to date based on LEGAL-303
> and the detective work of Todd Lipcon:
>
> Samza, Flink, Marmotta, Kafka and Bahir
>
> (perhaps more)
>
> Please take notice of the following policy:
>
> o No new project, sub-project or codebase, which has not
> used Facebook BSD+patents licensed jars (or similar), are allowed to use
> them. In other words, if you haven't been using them, you
> aren't allowed to start. It is Cat-X.
>
> o If you have been using it, and have done so in a *release*,
> you have a temporary exclusion from the Cat-X classification thru
> August 31, 2017. At that point in time, ANY and ALL usage
> of these Facebook BSD+patents licensed artifacts are DISALLOWED. You must
> either find a suitably licensed replacement, or do without.
> There will be NO exceptions.
>
> o Any situation not covered by the above is an implicit
> DISALLOWAL of usage.
>
> Also please note that in the 2nd situation (where a temporary
> exclusion has been granted), you MUST ensure that NOTICE explicitly
> notifies the end-user that a Facebook BSD+patents licensed artifact
> exists. They
> may not be aware of it up to now, and that MUST be addressed.
>
> If there are any questions, please ask on the legal-discuss@a.o
> list.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Cheers,
> Chris Mattmann
> VP Legal Affairs
>
> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-303
>
>
>
>