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Posted to dev@cordova.apache.org by Ally Ogilvie <ao...@wizcorp.jp> on 2013/03/19 07:56:58 UTC
PhoneGap Plugins - Provide Versioning Advice
Hi all,
I am a great fan of rolling releases and pushing much needed features out
as soon as possible, something which the Cordova Team is awesome at doing!
(Here comes the however) However, I hope that as a platform we want not
only indie developers but medium to large development studios to use the
platform too.
Unfortunately something that always plagues software projects is updates
and stability etc.
In a commercial project lasting 6-12 months for game development stuck to
the same version of Cordova, its pretty common to see (from my experience)
that the kick ass plugin you wanted to use just jumped 10 versions of
Cordova rendering it backwards incompatible for you to use...
Assuming you cannot assassinate your project manager or find the extra man
hours to upgrade your Cordova platform (plus all your other plugins), I
personally would love to see more advice given to plugin developers to
version their shit. The platform does it, why not the plugins...
Branches at best, tags at the very least.
the Plugin Development Guide seems to be a logic place for this
http://docs.phonegap.com/en/2.5.0/guide_plugin-development_index.md.html#Plugin%20Development%20Guide
I guess this would help developers use plugman too?
(Rant over) :)
Thanks all!
--
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Re: PhoneGap Plugins - Provide Versioning Advice
Posted by Michael Brooks <mi...@michaelbrooks.ca>.
Hey Ally, good to hear from you and awesome feedback!
Your thread came at a good time because Anis and Braden are starting to
tackle these issues in a sane way.
As Anis mentioned, a discussion thread should be jumping up today. You can
also track the plugin progress through the plugman code (no GitHub mirror
yet) [1], JIRA issue component [2], or hop onto IRC [3] for some real-time
chatter (all important discussions happen on [1] and [2] though).
[1] https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf?p=cordova-plugman.git;a=summary
[2] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CB/component/12320402
[3] Freenode #cordova
Michael
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 7:44 AM, Anis KADRI <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes, the plan is to have plugins versionned and backwards compatible with
> previous versions of Cordova. Depending on what cordova version you have
> installed there will/should be a specific version of that plugin that works
> with it. I will kick off a thread about this.
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 7:10 AM, Michal Mocny <mm...@chromium.org> wrote:
>
> > Excellent Suggestion. Plugin management is a huge focus for the next few
> > months and likely the major change for cordova 3.0. Expect improvements.
> > I'll let others speak to the specifics of the current plugin versioning
> > plan, but its great to have outside feedback on what we should focus on.
> >
> > -Michal
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 2:56 AM, Ally Ogilvie <ao...@wizcorp.jp>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > I am a great fan of rolling releases and pushing much needed features
> out
> > > as soon as possible, something which the Cordova Team is awesome at
> > doing!
> > >
> > > (Here comes the however) However, I hope that as a platform we want not
> > > only indie developers but medium to large development studios to use
> the
> > > platform too.
> > >
> > > Unfortunately something that always plagues software projects is
> updates
> > > and stability etc.
> > > In a commercial project lasting 6-12 months for game development stuck
> to
> > > the same version of Cordova, its pretty common to see (from my
> > experience)
> > > that the kick ass plugin you wanted to use just jumped 10 versions of
> > > Cordova rendering it backwards incompatible for you to use...
> > >
> > > Assuming you cannot assassinate your project manager or find the extra
> > man
> > > hours to upgrade your Cordova platform (plus all your other plugins), I
> > > personally would love to see more advice given to plugin developers to
> > > version their shit. The platform does it, why not the plugins...
> > >
> > > Branches at best, tags at the very least.
> > >
> > > the Plugin Development Guide seems to be a logic place for this
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://docs.phonegap.com/en/2.5.0/guide_plugin-development_index.md.html#Plugin%20Development%20Guide
> > >
> > > I guess this would help developers use plugman too?
> > >
> > > (Rant over) :)
> > >
> > > Thanks all!
> > >
> > > --
> > > <http://www.wizcorp.jp/>Ally Ogilvie
> > > Lead Developer - MobDev. | Wizcorp Inc. <http://www.wizcorp.jp/>
> > > ------------------------------
> > > TECH . GAMING . OPEN-SOURCE WIZARDS+ 81 (0)3-4550-1448 |
> > > Website<http://www.wizcorp.jp/>
> > > | Twitter <https://twitter.com/Wizcorp> |
> > > Facebook<http://www.facebook.com/Wizcorp>
> > > | LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/company/wizcorp>
> > >
> >
>
Re: PhoneGap Plugins - Provide Versioning Advice
Posted by Anis KADRI <an...@gmail.com>.
Yes, the plan is to have plugins versionned and backwards compatible with
previous versions of Cordova. Depending on what cordova version you have
installed there will/should be a specific version of that plugin that works
with it. I will kick off a thread about this.
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 7:10 AM, Michal Mocny <mm...@chromium.org> wrote:
> Excellent Suggestion. Plugin management is a huge focus for the next few
> months and likely the major change for cordova 3.0. Expect improvements.
> I'll let others speak to the specifics of the current plugin versioning
> plan, but its great to have outside feedback on what we should focus on.
>
> -Michal
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 2:56 AM, Ally Ogilvie <ao...@wizcorp.jp> wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I am a great fan of rolling releases and pushing much needed features out
> > as soon as possible, something which the Cordova Team is awesome at
> doing!
> >
> > (Here comes the however) However, I hope that as a platform we want not
> > only indie developers but medium to large development studios to use the
> > platform too.
> >
> > Unfortunately something that always plagues software projects is updates
> > and stability etc.
> > In a commercial project lasting 6-12 months for game development stuck to
> > the same version of Cordova, its pretty common to see (from my
> experience)
> > that the kick ass plugin you wanted to use just jumped 10 versions of
> > Cordova rendering it backwards incompatible for you to use...
> >
> > Assuming you cannot assassinate your project manager or find the extra
> man
> > hours to upgrade your Cordova platform (plus all your other plugins), I
> > personally would love to see more advice given to plugin developers to
> > version their shit. The platform does it, why not the plugins...
> >
> > Branches at best, tags at the very least.
> >
> > the Plugin Development Guide seems to be a logic place for this
> >
> >
> http://docs.phonegap.com/en/2.5.0/guide_plugin-development_index.md.html#Plugin%20Development%20Guide
> >
> > I guess this would help developers use plugman too?
> >
> > (Rant over) :)
> >
> > Thanks all!
> >
> > --
> > <http://www.wizcorp.jp/>Ally Ogilvie
> > Lead Developer - MobDev. | Wizcorp Inc. <http://www.wizcorp.jp/>
> > ------------------------------
> > TECH . GAMING . OPEN-SOURCE WIZARDS+ 81 (0)3-4550-1448 |
> > Website<http://www.wizcorp.jp/>
> > | Twitter <https://twitter.com/Wizcorp> |
> > Facebook<http://www.facebook.com/Wizcorp>
> > | LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/company/wizcorp>
> >
>
Re: PhoneGap Plugins - Provide Versioning Advice
Posted by Michal Mocny <mm...@chromium.org>.
Excellent Suggestion. Plugin management is a huge focus for the next few
months and likely the major change for cordova 3.0. Expect improvements.
I'll let others speak to the specifics of the current plugin versioning
plan, but its great to have outside feedback on what we should focus on.
-Michal
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 2:56 AM, Ally Ogilvie <ao...@wizcorp.jp> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I am a great fan of rolling releases and pushing much needed features out
> as soon as possible, something which the Cordova Team is awesome at doing!
>
> (Here comes the however) However, I hope that as a platform we want not
> only indie developers but medium to large development studios to use the
> platform too.
>
> Unfortunately something that always plagues software projects is updates
> and stability etc.
> In a commercial project lasting 6-12 months for game development stuck to
> the same version of Cordova, its pretty common to see (from my experience)
> that the kick ass plugin you wanted to use just jumped 10 versions of
> Cordova rendering it backwards incompatible for you to use...
>
> Assuming you cannot assassinate your project manager or find the extra man
> hours to upgrade your Cordova platform (plus all your other plugins), I
> personally would love to see more advice given to plugin developers to
> version their shit. The platform does it, why not the plugins...
>
> Branches at best, tags at the very least.
>
> the Plugin Development Guide seems to be a logic place for this
>
> http://docs.phonegap.com/en/2.5.0/guide_plugin-development_index.md.html#Plugin%20Development%20Guide
>
> I guess this would help developers use plugman too?
>
> (Rant over) :)
>
> Thanks all!
>
> --
> <http://www.wizcorp.jp/>Ally Ogilvie
> Lead Developer - MobDev. | Wizcorp Inc. <http://www.wizcorp.jp/>
> ------------------------------
> TECH . GAMING . OPEN-SOURCE WIZARDS+ 81 (0)3-4550-1448 |
> Website<http://www.wizcorp.jp/>
> | Twitter <https://twitter.com/Wizcorp> |
> Facebook<http://www.facebook.com/Wizcorp>
> | LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/company/wizcorp>
>